WEBVTT - Mental Health May: Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:13.840 Welcome to another episode of nerd IF sent y'all, how 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.680 you're doing, how you're feeling, how you're doing. It's about 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.840 to be good. We're feeling so good and we want 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.360 you to feel good, which is why we're doing mental 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:28.280 health may how y'all doing? How you doing? But as always, 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.520 sitting across from me is the hostess with the mostest 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.839 It is Danny Fernandez. Danny, how you don't you know? 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:41.559 I'm dropping these quarantine photo shoots really proud of myself. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.680 Oh yeah, for showering, putting on makeup and doing a 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.159 photo shoot in my kitchen. Everybody was like it was 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.080 so funny because people were like, this is the best 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.120 thing you've ever done, and I'm like, really, this was 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.400 shot on an iPhone and like the lighting is off, 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.520 but thank you. I mean, but that's the Is there 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.200 something to like the grittiness? You know, like how some 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.800 people they you know, they don't want everything on pro there, 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.160 you know, they like the amateur stuff, you know, and 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.039 it adds a level. And also like phones now are 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.160 so good with the right lighting, you can almost get 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:20.640 like a slight DSLR look to it. Yeah, so I agree, 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.480 I agree with them. They are smacking these uh, these 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.480 images that you've been I just want everyone to feel good. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.680 I hope that I and people have written me, but 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.240 I really and you do too, like we're so body positive. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.240 I just really hope people, especially as we age, just 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:40.480 like really stepping into owning themselves. I think. Yeah, And 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.240 it was like, you should just just decide to be 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.520 hot and then just act accordingly, like it's just you. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.920 It's just something you can decide because there's tons of 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.920 people that tell us that we're not attractive, and it's like, okay, 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.800 but I'm going to decide to be like I am 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.640 and all my friends are like, we just decided on it, 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.480 and so I think you can just off great from 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.720 that energy. Yeah, and I agree. I think there's something 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:09.200 to the energy of, you know, that confidence of being like, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:13.680 you know, I'm hot, because who like really honestly, if 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:18.040 like if everyone but the person that you're into thinks 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.400 you're ugly, then who cares? You know it really you know, 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.360 and when you really put it that way, you know 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.720 who cares, and you know it's it's not even more 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.400 of it. Well, I was going to say, speak we 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.799 always talk what we're seeking out about and I've been 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:35.240 watching We're Here on HBO. So it follows Eureka, Bob 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.280 and Angela from RuPaul's Drag Race as they take people 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.360 and put and put them in drag and they also 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:46.359 take heteronormative men who have in the past been homophobic 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.160 who are now trying to come to terms with that 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.799 when they were growing up. Uh And anyways, I mean, 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.320 I could guarantee you people have told them that they're ugly. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.120 People still tell them that they're ugly, and and so 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.040 it's just like it's just something that they've they They're like, 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.160 I'm hot. I know I'm hot, and I've accepted it, 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.640 and you know, I just that's what I want to 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.040 put out there because I think people are like, well, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:08.680 it's easy for you to say. It's like, no, I 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.880 have seventy seven thousand followers. I can guarantee like at 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.720 least a thousand people have told me I'm ugly, and 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.960 I can believe no, it's true, and it's like, you know, 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.399 people will be like, well, I think people don't realize 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.480 that because you know, someone else might be like, well, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.080 people have told me that I'm like, but have you 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:30.240 had three thousand people tell you that because kind of different. 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.080 And when you can read YouTube comments of someone you 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.280 know making fun of your face and it gets eight 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.200 hundred likes, that will affect anyone's head. And so but 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.160 I highly recommend watching that. It's just so amazing to 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.440 see people. It's a it's a cultured community that's wrapped 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:50.400 in love and acceptance. It's people of all different body sizes, 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.200 all different backgrounds, just really embracing themselves. And I love 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.520 when they get all done up, like when the guys 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.760 to like the the guys who are kind of like 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:01.640 say and offish about it, they get all done up 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.200 and they're like, how do you feel? And they're like, man, 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.560 I feel sexy as well. Like they're just so feeling 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.240 themselves in the makeup and the wigs and they're just like, oh, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.160 I get why you do this because you just feel 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.560 so good. Yeah. So definitely check it out on HBO. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.599 Steal someone's log in if you have to. Yeah, my, my, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.359 my geek out is very different. Uh. And uh, what 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.360 I'm geeking out about is I just ordered the Criterion 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.880 collection of the show Your Era um of Godzilla. Uh, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.360 and it's so big, you know. I ordered it off Criterion. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:34.080 I didn't know, Like I knew it was going to 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:35.520 be in book form, but I didn't know it was 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.440 going to be gigantic. So it's sitting up next to 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.320 all my figures and I can't wait to just work 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.960 work my way through it because I did just like 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.800 the other day watch King of the Monsters. God's a 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.960 little King of the Monsters of the newer American one, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.800 and you know, you know, the same same same fields 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.920 as the first one, where it's like, you know, all 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.880 the kaiju stuff, great, the human element, let's get rid 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:02.000 of it. We don't need it. We don't need it. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.240 And it's a very Western thing, which is why you'll 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:08.360 watch the uh if you watch the Japanese version, like 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:13.880 the human element in it is very small, unless, of course, 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.120 it's like I talked about this on the Godzilla podcast 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.840 what Haley man siny, where it's like there's typically like 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.919 uh two to three types of Godzilla where it's like 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:27.000 Godzilla is fighting other Kaiju, and then there's Godzilla versus 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:33.880 humanity uh and and and the Godzilla movie, um, both 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.040 of them kind of tries to split the difference between 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:41.200 the two, but you can't really do that because like 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.600 those are two separate things. You know, if it's if 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.760 it's Godzilla versus humanity, then you're you're kind of dealing 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.560 with Okay, now you have the human element, but it's 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.680 also like a movie where there's a lot of loss 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.560 and you're trying to cover because Godzilla, of course is 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:01.400 a analogy for the atomic bomb, so like that's why 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.480 it's always been that way. But if it's god Zilla 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.400 versus the monsters, there's needs to be so little human 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.440 interaction and less of them, like we're gonna help God's 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.520 all out. No you're not. These are giant monsters. But 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.920 why why are we so obsessed with bullets working against 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.600 giant monsters? Like we just need to prove that there's 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.080 a reason we're spending this much money on our military. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.880 Uh no, it's gonna be, it's not gonna it's not 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:30.000 gonna work. But anyway, I still liked it, still enjoyed it. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:34.880 It was a fun one. So check that out. If Yeah, 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.720 these are all things both things that we mentioned that 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.000 can be considered self care, which is good because this 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.880 month we're doing the mental health may um yes, and 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:50.120 today we are covering continuing with our month looking into 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:54.400 the nerdiness that is brain science and and therapy treatment 0:06:54.600 --> 0:07:00.840 as technology changes and grows. This week we are doing MS, 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:07.520 which is transcranial magnetic stimulation. It's nerdy as hell. Yeah, 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.280 I mean, I want to, like, before we even dive 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.280 into this, just kind of talk about this is something 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.720 you've brought up before. This is also something that you've 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.840 mentioned other folks of note have tried out. So you know, uh, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.040 let's talk about your relationship to it, because you actually 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:29.040 have a personal relationship versus you know, anyone else. Yeah, 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.320 So it's something that I did. It was recommended by 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.560 my therapist and my psychiatrist. It is essentially used for 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:43.560 treatment resistant depression, which means that you have tried prescription medication, 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:48.160 multiple prescription medications that have not quite worked for you. 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:53.000 I having a chronic illness and very sensitive to medication, 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.040 so a lot of them. If it's like may cause 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.679 side effects for me, it will It's like go ahead 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.480 and put it will cause side of and so um 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:06.760 those and yeah, and so it's different. It's typically covered 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.760 by insurance, which we're gonna get into. We're going to 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.880 get into what it is and how it works. But 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.200 I just want to stay off top. It's typically covered 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:18.160 by insurance, but they normally required that you have had 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.960 failed attempts at antidepressants, which means like I did well 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.600 beutan for months, it didn't work. I did go off 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.080 for munch it didn't work like stuff like that. And 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.680 for me, I think my insurance wanted me to have 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.920 four and I had like three, and I was unwilling 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.760 to do another round. I'm like, I'm not going to 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.520 put myself to another round just to do this. So 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.800 I had the funds at the time to do six 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:46.440 weeks of TMS. You go in every day you go. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.800 It is a commitment. Um. So I went in at 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.440 least Monday through Friday every single day in the morning, um, 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.960 and did a round of magnetic stimulation on my head. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.040 And yes, Neil Brennan is another their person who's been 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.400 really vocal about it. I think we actually have a 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.960 clip that we can play for people kind of like 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.920 just talks a little bit about it. This TMS thing, 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:15.240 transparanial magnetic stimulation covered by Blue Cross. Huh yeah, uh 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.200 so yeah, that's what like it's it's it was really 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.800 really good. Like I for a lot of my life, 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.880 I felt like I had a All right, I had 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.560 like I had like a thing like it almost felt 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.319 like a metal weight, like a bit of like five 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:36.120 pound weight on my upper left forehead, my left and 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:41.319 then so I went to this, whoa dude, that sound 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.320 is like an mri I sound. Yeah, that's what it is. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.360 It is. Yes, it's basically the same exact magnet as 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.680 an m r I. Hey, yeah, they put it on 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.160 your head. It's pretty simple. The first time they measure it. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.560 They have to get to like the exact spot. There's 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.480 there's another video where my finger is pulsing that you'll 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.000 enjoy And what is it doing to you? Like, what's 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:07.200 the benefit? Uh, it's basically magnetizing and electrifying. Hey, it's 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:14.839 waking up basically dead uh synapses according to them. Really yeah, 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.440 so it's it's waking up dead synapses and uh waking 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.679 up dead waking them up. So there dormant, that's what 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.120 they say. We went We went to the on that 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.480 same on that same recording with Joe Rogan. He talked 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.240 about doing ketamine treatment and we went to the same 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:36.000 doctor and we both did not like it. So I'm 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.439 happy that it's worked for people. But TMS is something 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.560 that we both have done that is really helpful. And 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.520 I talked to Neil about it when I was doing it, 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.520 so he's another person that has been super super vocal 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:55.080 about about how it's helped him. Nice. Nice, So let's 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.640 talk a little bit about what exactly it is in 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:02.320 the history of it. Yeah, so transcranial magnetic stimulation. It's 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:08.079 non invasive form of brain stimulation in which a changing 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.680 magnetic field is used to cause electric current at a 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:19.160 specific area of the brain through electro magnetic induction. It's like, 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.240 what does that mean? That's a lot, that's a lot 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:29.839 of info we're That reminds me of like it sounds 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.600 like Michael Scott trying to explain something in the office. Yeah, 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.440 where it's just like the or that scene with Ben 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.840 Stiller trying to pray and meet the Fockers. But he's like, 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.959 these three things we pray to see the more dear lead. 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.520 It's just like you're just making up words. Is even 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.240 going on? Yeah, um, we're gonna get fully into that. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:56.400 But I did want to tackle the history of TMS. UM. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:00.920 So yeah, you know the history is Luigi Galvani undertook 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.640 research on the effects of electricity on the body in 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.160 the late eighteenth century and laid the foundation for the 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:11.120 field of electro physiology. And then in the eighteen thirties, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:15.240 Michael Faraday discovered that an electrical current at a corresponding 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:19.520 magnetic field and the changing one can induce its counterpart 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.559 so work, so they worked to directly stimulate the human 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.720 brain with electricity. Um they started that work in the 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.000 late eighteen hundreds and then by the nineteen thirties uh 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:36.040 Italian physicians uh sir Letti and Binny have developed electro 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:40.360 convulsive therapy, also known as ect. ECT became widely used 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.160 to treat mental illness, and ultimately it was overused and 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.839 soon it just became a u as a panacea. And 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.160 this led to backlash in the nineteen seventies because I 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.640 think this is when they were doing like the more 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.400 like electro shock therapy stuff that is that was that 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:03.079 was not as I guess we'll say, thought out. But 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.080 then in the nineteen h and nineteen eighty Merton and Morton, 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.400 the you know, they they had to team up, team 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.440 up just because of their name. They're like, well, Merten 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.840 and Morton, we got to be a squad. So then 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.560 in nineteen eighty, Merten and Morton successfully used transcranial electrical 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.360 stimulation to stimulate the motor cortex. However, this process was 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.480 very uncomfortable, and subsequently, Anthony T. Barker began to search 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.120 for an alternative to t e S. They began exploring 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.800 the use of magnetic fields to alter electrical signaling within 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.440 the brain, and the first stable TMS devices were developed 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.120 in nineteen eighty five. So that's not too long though, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.079 that's you know, you know, three years before me and 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.320 Danny started walking this earth. Uh. But they were originally uh, 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.920 they were originally intended as a diagnostic to research devices, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.880 with evaluation of their therapeutic potential being a later development. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.199 In the United States, FDA first approved TMS devices in 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:02.960 October of two thousand and eight. So this is fresh. Yeah, 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.480 But what's fascinating is it's been out for over a 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:10.080 decade and yet it's still not commonly used. It's still 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:14.839 not commonly prescribed. Um. Do you think it also, you know, 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.560 just as a more general discussion, do you think it's 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:22.120 because you know, like my, my, you are have been 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.680 the person who have kind of taught me about t MS. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.760 T MS and before you brought it up, I never 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.680 heard about it, but even just the description until like 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.960 you were like, no, this is how it works. It 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.640 does seem like I think with because of the way 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.240 electroshock therapy was used. I think it makes it harder 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.360 for people to like wrap their brains around it. Do 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:44.880 you feel that way or do you think it's just 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.080 people not enough people know about it. I think it's 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.520 because and I was watching, you know, preparing for this, 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.000 I was watching psychs talk about it, and I think 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.640 it's because they're not trained in it. I think a 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.600 lot of times traditional if you look at professors that 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.560 have been around for decades now, this was not in 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.000 their wheelhouse. And so it's the same thing that we 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.040 see in the chronic illness community dealing with autoimmune disorders. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.040 There's so much emerging science, and yet if you it's 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.800 your responsibility, I would say as a doctor to continue 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.680 to learn. You're never done learning. And good doctors know that, 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.240 but not all of them operate that way. And so 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.520 I think the first line of defense is always prescription medication, 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.920 and which I totally understand and get um. But when 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:32.600 that's not working, it's normally not always in their text book. 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.920 I feel like when I was being treated for autoimmune, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.520 for even my hashimotos, it was like, oh, you just 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.640 take a pill, you take a thyroid pill, and I'm like, well, 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.680 this isn't working. I need other I need alternative treatments 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.119 on top of this. And so if they're not constantly 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:50.200 searching for new information, I think that's why. And and 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.160 they talked about that openly, and some of the interviews 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.040 that I watched is that it's just that's not necessarily 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.400 not all psykes do t ms or recommend to ms. Also, 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.800 let's talk about the pharmaceutical industry because that's a big thing. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.560 And I go, if you're going to disappear next week, 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.480 don't talk about it. But it's so interesting because I 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.440 used to work, um one of my early jobs is 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.640 they used to be a receptionist at a doctor's office. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.880 And I remember every week like it was either like 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.680 a Wednesday or Thursday. It was real good because we 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.400 had we we wouldn't have to bring lunch because some 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.880 pharmaceutical company is gonna come and they buy us lunch. 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.720 And it took me a while to realize that they're 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.560 essentially trying to butter the office up so the doctor 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:39.360 can specifically use They're like, they're like, um, prescription of 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:40.880 it that way when you really think of it from 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.800 the inside out that way, you're like, then then that 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.720 when you think of it, they're not prescribing you based 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.480 on like necessarily what they feel is best. I think 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.360 that the doctors have the best one in mind, especially 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.840 the one that I worked for. I will say you 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:57.760 totally was like, yeah, they're just trying to get me 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.360 to buy it, but I like what I like. But 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.960 I'll always say yes to free lunch, so shout out 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.040 to him. But um, but other doctors, you know, if 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.200 you're you know, if you're if you're getting wind and 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:12.040 dine and someone's really taking care of you quote unquote, uh, 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.400 then now you're prescribing based on that and not necessarily 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.520 what is best. And it's funny that you said that, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.320 how you're like, good doctors are staying ahead of the 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.200 curve because you know, it's very similar in a way 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.440 to like, um, computer science and I T But the 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.000 only difference is if you don't stay ahead of the curve, 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.280 you just become obsolete, Like you're not a good idea 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.040 if you're not constantly learning where doctors if there's so 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:40.399 much you know, history, medical history that they can kind 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.360 of get by by being like, no, this is work 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.440 for the longest that we're gonna try this. Unfortunately, though, 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.640 if that doesn't work, then you're kind of just yeah, 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:50.440 it's it's the whole thing that that could be a 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:54.560 whole long discussion that I'm sure Danny has lots lots 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.280 and lots of thoughts, because you've got a multiple on whammy. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.920 You got the whammy of having chronic illness, which is 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.680 one of which is hard to get the doctors to 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.320 even understand you. Then as a woman, it's hard to 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.160 get doctors to believe you, and as a woman of color, 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.320 it's even like that. It's just like three strikes of 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:15.200 doctors just not taking your word for it. And the 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.160 closest I've got to that, which in the one time 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.680 it happened, which it was really frustrating, was like when 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.240 I was at the dentist and I was like, hey, 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.560 it's not numb enough, and because I'm this big black dude, 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.080 they're like, no, you're good, and just almost when I 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.960 almost jumped out the chair and knocked and knocked him out, 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:36.800 and then not trying to hit him. I'm just like 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.760 it jerked because he did go. He finally did it. 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.280 But it's like I had to experience pain for you 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.359 to listen to me. You just you just were so sure. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.560 It's so the frustration is real, and it is. I 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:51.879 was going to say, as far as staying ahead of 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.800 the curve, there is a huge community on Reddit as 0:18:55.960 --> 0:19:00.639 when it comes to electric magnetic stimulation. Now I will say, 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.119 please do not do this. There is an entire you 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.000 know what I'm gonna say. If you people have built 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.760 their own UM and I watched videos on it and 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.719 a lot of people swear by it. Here's the thing 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.880 that with with the placement, which we're going to get into, 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.879 because these are specifically placed, as Neil said, they have 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.040 to measure your head and place it in a certain 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:24.160 specific area. If you mess up that area and you're 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.920 just a little bit off, it can make it worse. 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.800 It can make things worse for you. Um, you can 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.920 be exhausted, you could be more depressed, you could like 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.520 it's just not just go and get it done, especially 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.679 now that most insurances will cover it. I want to say, um, 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.000 since insurance companies are shady, have no problem saying this 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:50.560 UM and and that is when they say when my 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.400 insurance company was like, oh you have to have four 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:59.480 failed treatments, it's um self self proclaimed or whatever that is. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.119 I messed up by telling them that I didn't. But 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:03.959 they don't go back and check because I don't even 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.200 remember some of my doctors that I had years ago. 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.080 So that's just a little heads up for people, UM 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.960 that they don't they don't check. If you've had for now, 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.680 people are gonna be like, that's irresponsible. Whatever. Again, being 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.639 someone that has a chronic illness, sometimes you have to 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.879 play the game because the game is being played on you. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.920 So speaking on that, we have to go and take 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.280 a quick break. I want to say before we hop 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.040 into more, I am not a licensed professional. I am 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.960 just a patient who has been in the mental health 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:41.439 care UH community for years now. And I also, as 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.280 you know, if I worked in cardiac rehab, so I 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.720 did actually work in a hospital. My my training is 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.399 in kinesiology. That's what I have. My bachelor's from Texas 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:53.679 and Texas. I like that you specify that it's from Texas, 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.840 Like I got my bachelor's from Texas well. Well, the 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.639 University of Texas is very hard to get into. They 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.720 only take the top eight if you are in Texas. 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:05.440 If you go to a public school in Texas, you 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:10.720 get automatic exception uh into the school if you're in 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.359 the top eight percent of your class. So it is 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:15.520 the one of the best business schools, one of the 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.480 best um premed pro like. It's just it's a really 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:22.440 great school. Also has a ton of money that's funneled 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:24.960 into it for sports. That makes us a lot of 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.840 money and all the Nike and Gatorade and whatever like. 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.960 So anyways, um, we're gonna take a quick break. We're 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:42.880 gonna hop into more TMS right after this we are back. 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:47.760 We're still talking about TMS diving into some nerdy brain 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:53.679 science and so how does this work? What was all 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:57.480 the gogglly goop that I was talking about just throwing 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:03.240 around electrodes and and magnets and brain um. So, essentially, 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:08.920 an electromagnetic coil is placed against your scalp near your forehead. 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.720 Now they literally measure this. Um. They actually for me, 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:14.800 if I remember when they were doing it, they kind 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.960 of test it. It's supposed to make your finger twitch. 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:22.840 I think specifically you're either your index or your it 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:24.760 was supposed to make one of your fingers twitch, and 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:26.639 then they knew that they hit the right spot for you, 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.280 which on everybody is different depending on your head. And 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.680 I have a huge, a huge head. Um. So the 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:39.679 electromagnetic painlessly delivers a magnetic pulse that stimulates nerve cells 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:43.080 in the region of your brain involved in mood control 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.600 and depression. So what was fascinating to me, Neil, I 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:50.320 think in if we had continued that Joe Rogan interview, 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.280 he I think actually did it for thirty minutes, which 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.040 is how they used to do it. Now they've had 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:59.639 advancements where I only did it for three minutes, So 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:02.120