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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's something that's been percolating now for several months, but

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Speaker 4: we got an official word today. According to ESPN, Yannis

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Speaker 4: and his representatives will be reevaluating their future there in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 4: They planning meet with the front office here in the

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Speaker 4: coming weeks to have some kind of resolution, which all

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Speaker 4: signs pointing to Jannis onto the Goopo officially demanding a

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Speaker 4: trade at in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 5: Hold on, rob G, say his name again, Jannis out

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Speaker 5: at the Goupo.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to rename him Kelvin on this very day.

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Speaker 6: To Jannis, I think it's time for me to go.

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Speaker 6: And that's where he is. Jannis has turned into the

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Speaker 6: new Benedict Arnold.

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Speaker 7: I thought Jiannis was different.

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Speaker 6: I thought he wasn't like all of these American basketball

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Speaker 6: players who don't want to win on their own, who

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Speaker 6: are AAU driven and let's team up and let's do

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Speaker 6: this and let's not have the competition.

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Speaker 7: I love Jannis.

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Speaker 6: I am absolutely heartbroken that he fell into this.

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Speaker 7: Jannis, you want a championship.

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Speaker 6: Go ask Chris Paul whether he wants to whether he

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Speaker 6: wanted to win a championship. Go ask Charles Barkley, Go

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Speaker 6: ask Patrick Ewing. I'll just go on and on and

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Speaker 6: on about all these great players who would die to

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Speaker 7: And guess what you did when people told you were

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Speaker 7: foolish and.

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Speaker 6: You were dumb and all the these other words that

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Speaker 6: because you decided to stay in Milwaukee and you wanted

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Speaker 6: to do your own thing and not nt follow the crowd.

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Speaker 7: I admired you. I praised you. I thought to myself,

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Speaker 6: From the same cloth that these other lemons are lemmons,

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Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. But instead, here you are,

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Speaker 6: when the tough kids going. Now you're ready to bail

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Speaker 6: on Milwaukee, and y honest, I have just one thing

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Speaker 6: it is that you want to go. But every night

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Speaker 6: I'll say to myself before I go to sleep, I

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Speaker 6: hope Yannis never wins another championship.

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Speaker 7: That's where I am today.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I knew this was coming, you know, we talked

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Speaker 1: was coming because I knew Yannisy. He talks I want

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Speaker 1: to win multiple. I want to win the multiple. When

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Speaker 1: enough for me, Like he wants to be considered one

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Speaker 1: of the all time greats who have multiple championships. And

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Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit later on my thoughts a

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Speaker 1: this is one of those times where it can have

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Speaker 1: these years. You would agree that's why you loved him.

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Speaker 1: And they could have done that amicably and moved on.

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Speaker 1: Stop tiptoeing around it, because this is where it gets messy.

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Speaker 1: This is where fans who might have said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: It gets weird, it gets murky, it's gonna get it,

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Speaker 6: And they should and they should hate him, they should

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Speaker 6: great players you talk about winning multiple Can I give

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Speaker 6: you some names I mentioned, Charles Barkley, Carl Malone, John Stackton,

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Speaker 6: Elgin Baylor, Chris Paul, James Harden, Allen Iverson. I could

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Speaker 6: give you, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewan, Steve Nash, Dominique Wilkins.

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Speaker 6: It ain't a birthright that you win multiple championships.

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Speaker 7: That is fan fodder, that's BS okay.

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Speaker 6: And you can't tell me that if Isaiah Thomas never

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Speaker 7: Obviously, you want to win.

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Speaker 6: And what made him so special is that he was

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Speaker 6: you know. And I think that's what made his career.

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Speaker 6: His one championship in Milwaukee is worth two in NBA

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Speaker 7: How many did they win? They won one and they

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Speaker 7: had three they had won. Lebron's been playing.

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Speaker 6: For forty years, He's got four championships.

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Speaker 7: It ain't that easy to win.

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Speaker 6: I know it sounds like that, but today Jiohnn's disappointed me.

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Speaker 6: And again, you know, hey, I wish him nothing but

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Speaker 1: I'll I'll give the Bucks credit. And that they got

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Speaker 1: it seemed like that's who Yianna's wanted.

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Speaker 3: They've moved down there and gave up.

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Speaker 1: They got Damian Lillard, he had Chris Middleton, They've had

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying to your point that it's the eight

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Speaker 1: things around him. And I got some indictments on him

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Speaker 1: as I got a little I got some issues with

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Speaker 1: last six to eight years, they've tried and he wasn't

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Speaker 1: point is they put some pieces around him. They've gotten

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Speaker 1: they're gonna part, just part, wipe your hands, clean, clean, breakup.

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Speaker 1: Don't do the whole getting back together, flirting back, call you,

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Speaker 4: Paul Pierce has just many clips for having the worst

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Speaker 4: farewell tour in abas because, in case you've been living

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Speaker 7: G, where'd you get that from? Where'd you get that from?

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Speaker 7: Because that was actually funny.

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Speaker 4: I stole that from your joke book that you left

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Speaker 3: I'm asking.

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Speaker 4: So the Clippers are currently in Atlanta taking on the Hawks.

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Speaker 4: Are actually up by six points right now, middle of

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Speaker 4: the first quarter. But in the overnight hours, at two

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Speaker 4: Instagram that the team told him to go home. You're

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Speaker 4: not welcome here anymore. And according to ESPN Shan Sharanya,

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Speaker 4: Chris Paul before he got sent home had not been

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Speaker 4: Chris Paul and his quote unquote leadership style had been

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Speaker 4: he put the literal definition for leeway on his Instagram story.

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Speaker 4: Very cryptic, long story short, Chris Paul is gone. He's

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Speaker 4: at home. According to the LA Times, very few teams

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Speaker 4: farewell Tour not going the way we expected it would.

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Speaker 6: This is a lesson, Kelvin for all people out there.

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Speaker 6: You gotta know where you fit in. Chris Paul still

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Speaker 6: thinks he's that dynamic guard from ten years ago. And

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Speaker 6: you know when everybody wanted his services and they're gonna

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Speaker 6: win a championship and when they were up to all

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Speaker 7: Oh, he's a top three point guard of remember all that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I hate to break it to you, Chris Paul,

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Speaker 6: you ain't that anymore. And when you're not good enough

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Speaker 6: as a player, an't be a jerk. That's what he was, Kelvin.

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Speaker 6: I've been covering the league since nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 5: When I talk to a lot of people around the league,

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Speaker 6: It comes as no surprise when you're averaging two points

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Speaker 7: You to be a squeaky wheel. It doesn't mean that

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Speaker 6: I'm about the team and the players that they've been off.

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Speaker 7: You gotta know better. You have to. I bring up

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Speaker 6: The plane is not gonna get you equal money. You're

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Speaker 7: Did they Ben?

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Speaker 7: What they do? They replaced them?

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Speaker 6: They said, all right, cool, peace, peace, and the Clippers

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Speaker 7: He wasn't good enough anymore.

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Speaker 6: You can't be not good or so so or bad

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Speaker 6: I don't care about how long you played all that

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Speaker 7: That's what happened.

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 1: But all the other stuff we would hear how he

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Speaker 3: He would wear on people. He can never change.

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Speaker 1: He would never evolve his style as far as getting

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Speaker 1: He was the guy became kind of the grumpy old

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Speaker 3: Go on to teams and they're not liking them and

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Speaker 1: It's just been remarkable to see that happen over the

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned it. You can be on a team.

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Speaker 1: And be a guy that's not necessarily producing, but still

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Speaker 1: to hard you doing that is it's okay to evolve.

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Speaker 3: And it sounds like he never evolved.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example somebody who he was gonna

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Speaker 3: It was him and Kobe Bryant.

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Speaker 3: Career wasn't gonna get it.

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Speaker 1: You know that if he was trying to win, he

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Speaker 1: had to find other ways to motivate, find other ways

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Speaker 1: be bring him back. He was the you know, at

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Jordan, all these great players for years, got nothing

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Speaker 1: he's enthusiastic. You start doing nothing for it. You get

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Speaker 1: You get Paul George, You got Kawhi, you got James Harden.

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Speaker 1: Over the years, you got a new State Arena, nothing

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Speaker 3: For all of this.

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Speaker 1: If I told you all the guys that you have,

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Speaker 3: The Clippers gonna clip man.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but they did the right thing here though.

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Speaker 6: You can't have somebody disrupting, even in a bad situation

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Speaker 3: People you work with.

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Speaker 6: Dude, you should go go on Twitter and look at

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Speaker 7: Just unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Go look, go look, let me ask you question. I

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Speaker 6: This is the trail that that was left. But when

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Speaker 1: Especially because he was a point guard, so you viewed

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you this to both of you guys.

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Speaker 1: If I'm just talking playing on the court, he's still

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Speaker 1: and also just period, like where he stands for me?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe what we've seen over the last ten years?

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Speaker 1: People called him dirty player? You know you see him

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Speaker 3: Do you think that has hurt his stature the player?

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Speaker 1: Like the actually like where the rankings and where you

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Speaker 3: Ever they're like, now, guys, I heard the other.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that's hurt him?

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Speaker 4: I don't. I think that when when you look at

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Speaker 4: He's been in the top ten in the MVP, like

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Speaker 4: and you mentioned that he's rubbed people the wrong way

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Speaker 6: I'm I'm gonna push, I'm gonna push back on that

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Speaker 4: He want more at every spot he went to than they,

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Speaker 6: Ultimately, Ultimately, everybody and you remember this, wanted to crown

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Speaker 4: What if the Suns done since then? Rob No, I

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Speaker 6: That doesn't mean just because you don't win doesn't mean

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Speaker 7: I'm just saying I've heard it from too many people.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but all the people you've heard it for

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Speaker 6: There were people, I'm going to tell you, I'm not

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Speaker 6: a bad stuff that he's You say that on the

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Speaker 1: No give me names, Brady Quinn, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Going to say who.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying is yes, and I could see how

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Speaker 1: All the time hot, all times that it would have

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Speaker 3: They would everybody.

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Speaker 6: He would not have been sent home off on this

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Speaker 4: But This is also organization that disrespected Blake Griffin his

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Speaker 7: This is what he left.

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Speaker 4: This is a team that is allegedly gave Kawhi Leonard

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Speaker 4: like thirty million dollars and then Mark Bills behind the

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Speaker 4: back of a toilet seat because they don't seem to

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Speaker 4: be doing things the right way.

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Speaker 6: That what you're doing, though, is clouding what Chris Paul

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Speaker 6: did for them to be able to.

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Speaker 7: Send and he won't be signed by anybody, nobody.

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Speaker 4: Because he's a forty year reat guard who can't move

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Speaker 4: any forget it.

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Speaker 7: But after they but it could have been in a

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Speaker 7: nice send off, and he wruined.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy to think that we're here, we will got

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Speaker 3: back here.

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Speaker 4: He got you say that Rob g who ruined it?

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Speaker 4: He ruled the Clippers did. The Clippers are five and

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Speaker 4: sixteen right now. They're cowtowing to Kawhi Leonard, James Harden

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Speaker 4: and Tylou. None of them have been a good leader

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Speaker 4: in any shape sense of the word. Kawhi is under

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Speaker 4: investigation alleged for keeping money. James, I'm not James Harden,

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Speaker 4: James Christ Paul off the hook? How am I many

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Speaker 4: off in a bag?

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Speaker 3: Here's here's what I think. Here's why I think, Here's why.

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Speaker 1: I think the two things Chris Paul's demeanor, Chris Paul's

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Speaker 1: aptitude to want to compete, Chris Paul's making every organization

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Speaker 1: better on the on the court, I think he came

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Speaker 1: there and saw how they've been running and who they've

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Speaker 1: and signing, and I think as opposed to just fitting

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Speaker 1: in on my last little hourah, I think he came

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Speaker 1: in there and disrupted, you know, like, hey.

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Speaker 3: This is how y'all do it? This, Why y'all signed?

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Speaker 3: Why would y'll put this guy with us?

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Speaker 1: And I think they didn't like that, and I think

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Speaker 1: they're like, man, you can't come in here. We brought

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Speaker 1: you in here for the ceremonial, ride this thing out

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Speaker 1: with us. And I think he came in there, you know,

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Speaker 1: high strong on this is how you win, you do

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Speaker 1: it this way. And they didn't like that, and like,

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Speaker 1: what is he? What is he won every team he

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Speaker 1: goes to, he's what is he won?

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Speaker 7: Kel absolute question? He what did he win?

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Speaker 3: He hasn't won?

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Speaker 7: Okay, he didn't win anything. He just like the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: He didn't win and the Clippers didn't win.

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Speaker 7: What did what did he win?

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Speaker 1: He did win finals? Did he win the championship? That's okay,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. And that's a part of him trying.

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Speaker 6: To crown him like he's coming in he's Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 6: He's telling you how I'm gonna win title.

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Speaker 3: Averaging two points.

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Speaker 7: You're forty one years old. Stop it, you're not far.

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Speaker 3: I disagree with that part. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I think you can be a Juwan Howard Jared Dudley

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Speaker 1: guy on a team who ain't averaging nothing and be

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Speaker 1: a great leader. I'm agreeing that his approach probably was wrong,

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Speaker 1: but I think his approach was wrong, probably as.

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Speaker 7: Probably or definitely probably.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: Let me take I'm sure Chris Paul, Chris Paul and

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Speaker 1: Tyron Lou didn't like it. Don't come in here telling

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Speaker 1: me how to run it. I'd have been running this

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Speaker 1: team with an injured Kawhi injured James.

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Speaker 7: What's the difference between Chris Paul and Tyron Lou? What's

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Speaker 7: the difference?

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Speaker 3: Got ring?

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Speaker 7: Okay, there you go. He's a championship coach.

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Speaker 4: Deianni's actually played tonight for a few minutes, that is,

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Speaker 4: because he left the game early with what they're calling

510
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Speaker 4: a calf injury. If you watch the video, non contact,

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Speaker 4: He's going to the rim passing the ball, comes around

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Speaker 4: the other side, immediately goes down. Hopefully it's nothing more

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Speaker 4: than a calf strain, but that could complicate his murky

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Speaker 4: future with the Bucks because you mentioned it. According to ESPN,

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Speaker 4: he and his representatives we'll be talking to the Bucks

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Speaker 4: front office here in a couple of weeks to discuss

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Speaker 4: his future with the franchise. All signs pointing to you, however,

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Speaker 4: him finally after months and years of speculation, demanding a

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Speaker 4: trade out of town.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought we would be here.

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Speaker 1: Rob and I, you know, we talked about it, Rob,

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Speaker 1: you know, over the offseason, just because the report started

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Speaker 1: to come out.

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Speaker 3: What would happen? What do you do?

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Speaker 1: And I thought this was gonna happen because I thought

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Speaker 1: you could see he's starting to put pressure on the team.

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Speaker 1: He started to be vocal about things, and to something

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Speaker 1: you always bring up, he kind of felt like he

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Speaker 1: wasn't that guy. He cent of felt like, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was one of those guys who kind of just

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Speaker 1: gonna ride this thing out. But over the last two

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Speaker 1: three years, he's been making he's been louder, right, he's

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Speaker 1: been a little grumpier. He's been a little bit more

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Speaker 1: what are we doing? Where are we going? Which he's

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Speaker 1: earned that right too.

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Speaker 6: The last year they had a chance to do that

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Speaker 6: and he didn't and he said he didn't ask for

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Speaker 6: a trade.

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Speaker 3: Right, No, but he's but he has been hit him.

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Speaker 1: He's been vocal about where are we going, what's the

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Speaker 1: direction I want to win?

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Speaker 3: Multiple this isn't good.

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Speaker 6: I mean when he asked for Damian Lillard, Like when

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Speaker 6: he asked and they traded away everything for Damian Lillard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm saying he's become.

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Speaker 6: To understand this at all. To me, I just don't

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Speaker 6: understand what point of I don't understand, like, like they've

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Speaker 6: made moves, they've done everything that you could ask him.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you.

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Speaker 7: So the Milwaukee it's Milwaukee.

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Speaker 3: That's what I left going.

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Speaker 7: To Miami five years ago. He didn't want to go.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying, I'm saying, to your point, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that we've said and we all I think

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Speaker 1: most people would agree.

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Speaker 3: Is the Leastern Conference.

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Speaker 1: It's been twenty twenty five years, however, long of the

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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference being the least between that and the way,

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Speaker 1: you know, the lesser conference between the two. And to me,

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Speaker 1: as good as Giannis is, two time MVP, Defensive Player

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Speaker 1: of the Year, Rookie of the Year, all NBA a

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Speaker 1: million times, I mean he has been He's been that guy.

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Speaker 3: He is first ballot Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: When I look back, and we talked about this a

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Speaker 1: bit before, Rob, I will say, especially post championship, it

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Speaker 1: has been strange for me and a bit disappointing to

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Speaker 1: me that Giannis hasn't gotten back and just dominated the East.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he had to win three, four, five rings,

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Speaker 1: that's very difficult. And his team, you know, he had

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Speaker 1: to have the Warriors with Katie and stuff. But the

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Speaker 1: idea that he doesn't make it back, the ideaity he's

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Speaker 1: not regularly in the Eastern Conference finals are regularly in

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Speaker 1: the you know, have been to the finals multiple times,

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Speaker 1: has been a little underwhelming for how good, how great,

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Speaker 1: how talented he is I expected once.

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Speaker 6: You know, on the talented teams in the East, and

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Speaker 6: there's not really as good.

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Speaker 3: As he is. There's not.

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Speaker 1: That's literally why we call it the least. There's top

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Speaker 1: there's one or two. But your kid.

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Speaker 7: Miami's been to the finals a couple of times. It

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Speaker 7: doesn't act nothing about those Miamis have made a run.

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Speaker 1: It's not and not a single time you made me

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Speaker 1: look at Yanna's where we think he is.

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Speaker 3: He should not look at that as well. I can't

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Speaker 3: get past.

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Speaker 6: So how come Lebron didn't go to the finals every

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Speaker 6: year in the West with when he showed up in

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Speaker 6: the I mean there were years theydn't even make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: No, right, we're talking about the East. I literally that's

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Speaker 1: why I'm just talking the easiest conference.

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Speaker 6: I don't specific I don't think it's that he hasn't

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Speaker 6: dominated out to be. I don't think that Gianna should

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Speaker 6: be in the finals every year.

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Speaker 7: I think that's a pipe dream. I just don't believe that.

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Speaker 6: Yannas, how about christ Fiddleton and the other players are there,

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Speaker 6: But I still don't think he has to go to

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Speaker 6: the finals every year.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is there's no way Rob that he

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Speaker 1: is thirty thirty one years old putting up these numbers

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Speaker 1: still in his prime, and his team is what are

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Speaker 1: they nine and thirteen or something, And the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's that three first round exits he's got gotten past

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Speaker 1: the Simmis, that is underwhelming for this guy and how

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Speaker 1: great he is. If I just blindly told you this

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Speaker 1: guy's resume and that he's thirty thirty one years old,

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Speaker 1: still in.

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Speaker 6: I would tell you blindly that he won a championship

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Speaker 6: in Milwaukee, Wisconsin that hadn't won a championship since Kareem

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Speaker 6: Abdul Jabbar was lu Al Sinda.

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Speaker 7: I mean, like, what.

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Speaker 3: Do he just stop?

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Speaker 6: No, that doesn't mean to stop. He tells me something.

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Speaker 6: I just know what you but your idea, I just

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Speaker 6: think you have an unrealistic idea. I'm gonna be honest

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Speaker 6: that you think everybody like you have to go to

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Speaker 6: the finals or the championship every year, or the idea

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Speaker 6: that Giannis can't get beat or he hasn't played there

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Speaker 6: was a time when they lost to Miami where he

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Speaker 6: didn't play as well as he had played and miss

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Speaker 6: free throws or whatever.

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Speaker 7: He won a championship there.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what you.

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Speaker 7: I don't even know who you are to win fortune.

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Speaker 3: You're throwing crazy bell.

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Speaker 1: You throwing some bell that I ain't never seen you

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Speaker 1: a bell bondsman right now, as great as he is,

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Speaker 1: as dominant as he is in a that does.

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Speaker 6: Not play to a great and dominant and they didn't win.

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Speaker 6: They didn't win one.

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Speaker 1: I said, you can't even regularly when he's conference finals.

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Speaker 1: The fact that these first round exists, if this were

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Speaker 1: anyone of that statue where what we're saying is they

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Speaker 1: will be getting ridiculed. There will be concerns. We're not

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Speaker 1: saying he's not any extenuating circumstances. Are there any extenuating circumstances?

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Speaker 7: No, I gave you as.

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Speaker 1: You if I'm the bucks, I'm answering if I if

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Speaker 1: I gave you you know what, You're right and you're honest.

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Speaker 1: We do need a tweak. Let's go get you. Dang

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Speaker 1: You and Dave don't work out. I got Brook Lopez,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Portis, Drew Holiday and Chris Middleton and all these

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Speaker 1: guys that only worked the one time.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't work like and you're so good, you're at least

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Speaker 3: I believe.

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Speaker 1: I think we've all been led to believe that you

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Speaker 1: also are capable of dragging a team, and there are

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Speaker 1: certain people when you're at that level that is expected

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Speaker 1: Luca Dodgers in the expectation that if Luca again doesn't

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Speaker 1: drag some teams in some Western Conference finals and finals,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be upset yo Kic. He's that good, that

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Speaker 1: dominant that if Yokis doesn't drive. I'm not saying these

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Speaker 1: guys gonna have three, four or five rings, but I'm

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Speaker 1: saying the winning and getting deeper playoff runs, I think

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Speaker 1: that should be that's warranted. I think that that is

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Speaker 1: not without mary for how great they are. To ask

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Speaker 1: Jannis to dominate the East for a decade, What's I

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Speaker 1: think that's a fair point.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Yannis, just not saying you gotta.

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Speaker 1: Win five, go to the finals a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: win a couple of Eastern Conference finals, get to them.

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. It is he's left me on

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Speaker 3: the bone palls.

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Speaker 1: He's left to be desired to me for how great

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Speaker 1: he is in a conference. Again, that's what rob we

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Speaker 1: came into this season is wide open?

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Speaker 3: Is it the Knicks? Is it the Pistons? Is like

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Speaker 3: who can win it?

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Speaker 1: And they're underachieving when this should have been a year

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Speaker 1: he easily is dominant.

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Speaker 6: I think I think you're you're you're missing the elephant

671
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Speaker 6: in the room, and you're not being honest. They choked

672
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Speaker 6: down that series Doc Rivers is again. They highed him.

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Speaker 6: Jannis wanted the coach they had before him, didn't even

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Speaker 6: give him a chance, wanted him out. Jannis was the

675
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Speaker 6: one that signed off. I guess on Doc Rivers right,

676
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Speaker 6: they've choked Where.

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Speaker 3: Did I get it wrong? That sound like my point

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Speaker 3: with y honest?

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Speaker 6: No, No, your point is my only point is I

680
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Speaker 6: just think that your expectations for him.

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Speaker 3: Are through the roof.

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Speaker 6: That you really believe that he should be in the

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Speaker 6: West Eastern Conference finals.

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Speaker 7: Every year for ten years. I just don't see that.

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Speaker 7: I think there are other players and other teams. I don't.

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Speaker 7: I just don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't see anybody doing that. But you think Jannis

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Speaker 6: has been wasted. I don't think Jannis has been wasted

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Speaker 6: in Milwaukee at all. The idea that Yannis won a

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Speaker 6: championship in Milwaukee is mind blowing to me. Is way

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Speaker 6: ten times more than I could have ever imagined Yannis

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Speaker 6: winning a championship in Milwaukee Okay, so your expectations in

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Speaker 6: mine are different. You expect him to dominate him and

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Speaker 6: win and go to the finals four or five times.

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Speaker 2: I just don't see that.

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Speaker 7: I'm shocking that he went on the title shy.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying a couple of final appears some Eastern Conference

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Speaker 1: mixed in there, just where you're a very competitive team.

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: The idea that Giannis at the two KUPO MVP candidate

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Speaker 1: two time winner, one, two or three every year in

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Speaker 1: the voting, regularly is out in the first round, we

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Speaker 1: would blast so many other people that talented, of that

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Speaker 1: elk that awarded that uh you know, herald it. We

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Speaker 1: would blast anyone else if they're regularly out in the

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Speaker 1: first round or barely get into the simmis, we would

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Speaker 1: be like, what is going on there?

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Speaker 6: And that's my They got to win five in Cache

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Speaker 6: that other people don't have, and that's that he won

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Speaker 6: a championship.

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Speaker 7: And there have been other extenuating circumstances.

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Speaker 6: You didn't You didn't bring up Damien and Lillard and

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Speaker 6: him didn't really go together. It didn't work out. Talk

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Speaker 6: about when you know it did it didn't work out.

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Speaker 7: That's why I.

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Speaker 3: Said, figure it out, it out then.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but they tried and it went out, and you

718
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 6: and everybody else when they went and god, Damnian.

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Speaker 7: Lillard said, oh god, oh that's gonna be perfect.

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Speaker 3: This is great.

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Speaker 6: Look at it. Look at this, Matt, this is gonna

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Speaker 6: work out perfect. Those guys go.

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Speaker 1: For Gianni and Damian Lillard not working. I'm getting the

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Speaker 1: blade you.

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Speaker 7: Lucky here, but you're making it.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 7: But I just think your expectations are unrealistic.

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Speaker 1: That that's what I mean for expecting a dude of this,

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Speaker 1: this dominance to get past the first round.

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Speaker 6: You expected Luca, Luca and Lebron to get to the

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Speaker 6: Western Conference finals right last year.

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Speaker 3: I didn't expect them.

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Speaker 1: I thought they could and I expect Luke what happened

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Speaker 1: to I expect Luca his tenure with the Lakers.

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Speaker 6: If Luca doesn't get to the Western Conference Finals again

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Speaker 6: this year coming up, then what what is that for him?

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm saying this is his run. No, I'm

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Speaker 3: not run.

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Speaker 6: You what should he get to the fire Western Conference

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Speaker 6: finals the next fantasy?

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Speaker 3: It is possible for them. I don't like Houston. You

742
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Speaker 3: know you already told you.

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Speaker 1: I like Houston and like Okay, see, and then you

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Speaker 1: got Denver. What I'm saying is, if Lucas is here

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Speaker 1: five six years in LA and he don't go to

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Speaker 1: two three Western Guns finals or get a.

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Speaker 3: Ring, that's underwhelming. Yes.

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Speaker 1: If Joker don't get back to the finals as great

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Speaker 1: as he is, that's underwhelming. If Joker doesn't regularly you'll

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Speaker 1: get to the Western Covers finals two three more times. Yes,

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Speaker 1: these guys are that elite, and I guarantee you they

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Speaker 1: hold themselves to that expectation.

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Speaker 6: I think you're I just think your expectations are really

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Speaker 6: high because we talk about how hard it.

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Speaker 7: Is to win.

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Speaker 6: So many things have to go your way. It's just

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Speaker 6: not as easy as you think. And I and I

758
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Speaker 6: don't care how talented that you are. You just talked

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Speaker 6: about you guys went bent over backwards for Chris Paul

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Speaker 6: and that's great.

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Speaker 7: He's a top two.

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Speaker 6: Do you think you have him as a top four

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Speaker 6: or five guard right point guard? Yeah, he's been on

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Speaker 6: a ton of teams. He got to the finals one time.

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Speaker 6: It's harder than you think. And I don't care how

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Speaker 6: talented you are. It's harder than you think.

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Speaker 7: And not most.

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Speaker 6: Guys, even Lebron, when you think about, yeah, he's been

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Speaker 6: there ten times, he's been playing the league twenty what

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Speaker 6: four years, he got four championships.

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Speaker 7: That's wow. Four He's got four championships.

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Speaker 3: Twenty four years.

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Speaker 1: To be getting out in the first round in a

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Speaker 1: conference that's not even that hard period period