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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Spoiled brat killers, young adults

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Speaker 1: that have everything at their fingertips, born with a silver

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Speaker 1: best homes, the best cars, the best food, the best clothes,

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Speaker 1: the best education, but still kill. What is that phenomena?

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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM

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Speaker 1: one eleven. Take a listen to this. When the parents objected,

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Speaker 1: the fender produced a twenty two caliber pistol. He shot

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Speaker 1: the mother, Vincenza Tomasetti, age sixty four, in the head

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Speaker 1: near the right temple, and then shot the father, Rocco Tomasetti,

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Speaker 1: age sixty five, in the back and left wrist. He

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Speaker 1: struck his father then in the head with the gun

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Speaker 1: numerous times after he ran out of bullets. Plase say

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Speaker 1: the bodybuilding influencer then took off his mother and father

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Speaker 1: taken to the hospital, the child and mother unharmed. Thomas

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Speaker 1: said he was arrested later on that evening in Bergen

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Speaker 1: were charging with two counts of attempt at murder. Second

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Speaker 1: and transporting back here to Nasa County to be arranged

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Speaker 1: Christmas morning, which should create the fondest memory spent with Mom, Dad,

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Speaker 1: Grandma and Granddad now tarnished for the rest of this

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Speaker 1: little boy's life. Let's Christmas morning. The man wanted to

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Speaker 1: and that's where the argument started. Okay, let me understand

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Speaker 1: that this double shooting occurred on Christmas morning. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about a young man named Dino Thomasetti in his twenties.

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Speaker 1: He's called an influencer, and if you take one look

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Speaker 1: at him, he can tell he spends a lot more

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Speaker 1: time in the gym than he does at school or

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Speaker 1: at work. So how did Christmas go bad? Take a

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Speaker 1: listen again to Darla Miles ABC seven, New York. When

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Speaker 1: the parents objected, the fender produced a twenty two caliber pistol.

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Speaker 1: He shot the mother, Vincenza Thomasetti, age sixty four, in

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Speaker 1: the head near the right temple, and then shot the father,

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Speaker 1: gun numerous times after he ran out of bullets. Polase

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Speaker 1: say the bodybuilding influencer then took off his mother and

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Speaker 1: Thomas said he was arrested later on that evening in

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Speaker 1: So you've got this beautiful mansion with this mom and

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Speaker 1: dad who have worked their whole life to build a

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Speaker 1: then has a baby with his girlfriend and apparently tries

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Speaker 1: try to stop him, so he shoots the parents. Do

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Speaker 1: I have at bass Ackwards, Dave matt Crime online dot

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Speaker 1: com investigative reporter joining us so long when Jim Elliott,

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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer out of water Robbins Georgia at Butlersnow

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Speaker 1: dot com, Doctor Sherry Schwartz, and boy, do we need

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Speaker 1: a shrink? Forensic psychologists specializing where crime and law intersects.

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Speaker 1: Lisa and Daddyo for a police lieutenant and lecturer at

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Speaker 1: the Director for the Center of Advanced Policing, Doctor Tim Gallagher,

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Speaker 1: medical examiner for the entire state of Florida, Dave Mett,

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Speaker 1: what happened with Thomas Eddie? Have you seen his picture?

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Speaker 1: Number one? Have you? Okay, that's just not natural. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how does this guy? Does he have a job or

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Speaker 1: does he spend every waking moment pumping iron? That's his job? Actually,

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Speaker 1: he's a personal trainer, Nancy, and they call him a

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Speaker 1: social media influencer. Okay, And you do have the entire

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Speaker 1: story absolutely correct. Christmas morning, the bodybuilder and his family

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Speaker 1: Right there, Right there, I got a problem. Lisa Daddio

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Speaker 1: joining me as I sat a former police lieutenant. Lisa,

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Speaker 1: one of my best friends, believe it or not, is

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Speaker 1: a female defense lawyer, and she's told me countless times

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Speaker 1: want to know why he wasn't he allowed to teach?

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Speaker 1: guy then sped away and his Cadillac Escalade SUV. You

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Speaker 1: this is somebody, Nancy, who clearly has no boundaries. He

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Speaker 1: if part of what fuels this rage is potentially maybe steroids.

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Speaker 1: What does steroids do to you, joining me, doctor Tim Gallacker,

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Speaker 1: a medical examiner for the entire site of Laura, what

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Speaker 1: does steroids do to you that put you in roid rage? Well, well,

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Speaker 1: steroids would put you in something called a roid rage.

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Speaker 1: That is one of the things that it does. But

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Speaker 1: actually the roid rage is part of a bipolar experience.

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Speaker 1: So people who are on steroids become extremely depressed, and

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Speaker 1: Dave mat the parents, Dino Thomassetti, his parents shop. That's

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Speaker 1: where they were. It was Roco and Mancenza Thomassetti, Hewlett Harbor.

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Speaker 1: Dave mac three point two million dollars worth of not cheap, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful home. What do we know, if anything

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Speaker 1: one year old son. Then actually the Todd of the

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Speaker 1: same time when Dino decides he's taking his son with him,

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Speaker 1: and that's where everything exploded. And remember Dino put a

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Speaker 1: then his dad, Dave Matt, he pisto whipped his own

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Speaker 1: father pistol his own dad. I mean, you want to

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Speaker 1: explain what that is, Jim Elliott. When you pistol whip somebody,

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Speaker 1: what is that saut the deadly weapon or mind getting

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Speaker 1: That is the legal definition aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

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Speaker 1: When you pistol whip somebody, Doctor Tim Gallagher, what do

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Speaker 1: you do to them? A pistol whipp is when you

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Speaker 1: person with the handgun. You're not shooting them. You're actually

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Speaker 1: That is vicious. To do that to your own father, Well,

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, I don't know what this guy's thinking, but

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Speaker 1: you know how he got arrested, right, Dave mac through

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Speaker 1: the GPM, Yeah, I do. Will you explain, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: or you can have it turned on. And that's actually

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Speaker 1: what they did, the police. I mean they because you again,

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Speaker 1: you've got a shooting, a pistol whipping, and you've got

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Speaker 1: a man running away from everything. So they locked into

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Speaker 1: what did Rocco and Vincenza Thomasetti do for a living?

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Speaker 1: How did they amass their fortune? It actually goes back

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Speaker 1: not easy My uncle, my mom's brother built houses. My grandfather,

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Speaker 1: I know I want Elliot Roger, also known as the

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Speaker 1: In those years, I've had to rot in loneliness. It's

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Speaker 1: But Sheila would soon find out in addition to the

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Speaker 1: room he'd been staying in, Tommy's entire trip was being

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Speaker 1: financed by a credit card Heather had taken from her mom.

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Speaker 1: By all accounts, Sheila was livid, and do you blame her?

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Speaker 1: She was there to reconnect with her daughter, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, this boyfriend who she doesn't like shows

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Speaker 1: up on her dime. That must have been infuriating crime

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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Heather Mac twenty five has also

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Speaker 1: been called the suitcase Killer for a reason. But before

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Speaker 1: I get to the fact that she's called a suitcase killer,

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Speaker 1: she was born to very influential, educated parents. Her dad

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Speaker 1: was a renowned jazz musician, the mom highly cultured and educated,

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Speaker 1: and they gave their only child, Heather Mac, everything she

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Speaker 1: had ever wanted. So how did they end up in

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Speaker 1: Bolly Dave Mack? You know, Nancy, you mentioned the relationship

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Speaker 1: there between the mom, dad and Heather. Well, the mom

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Speaker 1: and Heather had a very troubled upbringing for many, many years,

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Speaker 1: and Sheila von Weismack wanted to spend this time in

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Speaker 1: Bali as a vacation to bond with her daughter. She

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Speaker 1: wanted them to get away from all of the stuff

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Speaker 1: at home and to go to paradise and actually calmly,

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Speaker 1: lovingly reconnect with one another. That's how they ended up

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Speaker 1: in Bali, and that is exactly what the mother wanted

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Speaker 1: to do with her daughter. Well, everything changed twen Heathermack's

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Speaker 1: boyfriend shows up. Take a listen to our cut fifty seven.

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Speaker 1: This is Matt Douran Crime Watch Daily. Ten hours after

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Speaker 1: the wheels of Tommy's plane hit the ground in Bali,

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Speaker 1: surveillance cameras capture him entering Sheila's hotel room with the

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Speaker 1: handle of a metal fruit bowl stuffed under his shirt.

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Speaker 1: About an hour after that, Heather and Tommy are seen

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Speaker 1: heading to the lobby with a silver suitcase, which they

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Speaker 1: placed in the back of a taxi before running off.

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Speaker 1: It's not until the driver takes the abandoned luggage to

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Speaker 1: the police station that they find out what's inside the bloodied,

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Speaker 1: half naked body of Sheila von Wei Smack. She had

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Speaker 1: been blooded repeatedly before asphyxiating on her own blood. So

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Speaker 1: where were Tommy and Heather? For just less than a day?

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Speaker 1: The media painted this pair as a modern day Bonnie

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Speaker 1: and Clyde. Young American fugitives wanted for a particularly brutal murder,

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Speaker 1: but their time on the run would end here at

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Speaker 1: this budget motel less than a mile from the crime scene.

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Speaker 1: Staff aloting police after becoming suspicious that the lovers had

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Speaker 1: checked in without any luggage. To you, Jim Elliott, high

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Speaker 1: profile lawyer Adawana Robbins, have you ever had a case

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Speaker 1: where you look at the jury as you put up

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Speaker 1: the evidence and they literally look away from the evidence.

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Speaker 1: It's so horrible. The crime scene photo, the autopsy photo,

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Speaker 1: which is rarely admissible but can be brought into evidence

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Speaker 1: under certain circumstances. Photos or a bloody clothes, whatever it

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Speaker 1: may be, the jury actually looks like they're going to

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Speaker 1: vomit and look away. That personal experience for a difference lawyer,

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Speaker 1: that you better see if there's any plea potential available

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Speaker 1: for your client. Because handwritings on the wall. Man, you're

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Speaker 1: not kidding, Jim Elliott, you are not kidding. I have

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Speaker 1: had that happen well a lot of times actually, especially

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Speaker 1: of course in homicide cases, where it's so gut wrenching

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Speaker 1: and it's it's like some people don't like to look

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Speaker 1: at a snake because you have an an eight fear

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Speaker 1: of that. Looking at a crime scene like this is

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Speaker 1: something so repugnant. I've had gerars many times literally flinch

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Speaker 1: and turn away when they see this evidence. To you,

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Speaker 1: Dave Mac, they actually crunched the mom's hottie up bleeding,

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Speaker 1: put it in a suitcase, and it was left oozing

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Speaker 1: in front of a five star hotel in Bali. Actually

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Speaker 1: was left in the taxicabs and the taxicab driver is like, hey,

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Speaker 1: what is the suitcase doing in the back of my car?

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Speaker 1: So he sets it down on right there. They took

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Speaker 1: off and checked into a hotel without any luggage, and

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Speaker 1: the taxicab guys like, what the heck, this thing's oozing something,

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Speaker 1: and so he takes it out of his cabin. That's

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Speaker 1: where they find it. You know, the neighbors and friends

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Speaker 1: had no idea what was going on. Shot to find

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Speaker 1: out back in the US what had happened. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our cut fifty nine our friends at ABC seven.

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Speaker 1: Two neighbors who did not want to go on camera

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Speaker 1: tell me that Sheila von we Smack lived inside this

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Speaker 1: oak park Holm for many many years, but she moved

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Speaker 1: about a year ago, selling it to a developer. While

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Speaker 1: this morning, neighbors here are horrified to hear of her murder.

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Speaker 1: Police officials say the sixty two year old's remains were

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Speaker 1: stuffed into a suitcase and found on the Indonesian resort

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Speaker 1: island of Bali. The discovery was made Tuesday. The body

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Speaker 1: was inside the trunk of a taxi parked in front

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Speaker 1: of the upscale Saint Regis Hotel. She was half naked

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Speaker 1: with wounds to her head, according to police, and more

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Speaker 1: are fifty five crime watched daily. She was becoming very

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Speaker 1: defiant and not wanting to listen to any rules. And

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Speaker 1: Sheila and I had many, many talks, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, there's a reason the term trouble

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Speaker 1: teen is out there. But did Heather's troubles go beyond

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Speaker 1: that of a normal teen? She started skipping school, hanging

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Speaker 1: out with a rougher crowd, and even began stealing large

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Speaker 1: sums of money from her own mom. What did Sheila

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Speaker 1: tell you about what was going on behind Klestos, Well,

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Speaker 1: she told me that she was being abused by Heather.

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Speaker 1: I mean he was constantly being attacked physically. Haven't had

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Speaker 1: an explosive tempered I mean the little question about that

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Speaker 1: when he erupted at the slightest provitation. In fact, over

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Speaker 1: a ten year period police were called here on reports

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Speaker 1: of domestic violence more than eighty times. She would bite Sheila,

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Speaker 1: she would hit her, and it was to the point

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Speaker 1: of sustaining serious injury. Well Toather pushed her one time

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Speaker 1: in the bathroom and she fell and broke her arm.

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Speaker 1: To doctor Sherry Schwartz, psychologists joining us, there was a

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Speaker 1: clear sign of abuse by daughter Heather Mac spoiled bratt

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Speaker 1: on her mother, but no matter how many times police

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Speaker 1: were called, nothing was ever really solved. How do you

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Speaker 1: explain that dynamic? Well, this what strikes me about this

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Speaker 1: is it sounds very much like the domestic violence but

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Speaker 1: eventual homicides that we cover very often. Right, it's just

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Speaker 1: usually you know, the spouse of the abused partner. In

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Speaker 1: this case, it's the child, and it started such a

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Speaker 1: long time ago. I imagine that, just like in many

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Speaker 1: other domestic violence cases, the victim caused the police in

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Speaker 1: the moment because they're in danger clearly, but then maybe

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Speaker 1: they don't follow through with the prosecution. After all, this

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Speaker 1: was her daughter, right, so you want to try to

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Speaker 1: do everything that you can to help your child. You

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Speaker 1: also want to try to remain safe, and so I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing that there was probably an issue for police in

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Speaker 1: terms of being able to prosecute if mom's not cooperating police.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good point, Dave Mac. I see the

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Speaker 1: same thread running through many of these cases you just

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Speaker 1: pointed out regarding the teen girl, Jamie Sylvana that murdered

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Speaker 1: her mother in the eighth grade, brutally murder her mother

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Speaker 1: over a boyfriend. Now the dad is in favor of

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Speaker 1: the daughter getting out of jail, saying thing here with

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Speaker 1: Heather Mack, the mom didn't really want to prosecute her

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Speaker 1: daughter after all the times the daughter had physically attacked her.

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Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, it's an amazing thing when you deal

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Speaker 1: with a parent and a child, and parents oftentimes we

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Speaker 1: will justify our child and what they do, thinking somehow

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Speaker 1: and that we triggered this violence, We triggered this child

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Speaker 1: into attacking or whatever, Heather, When you have eighty seven

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Speaker 1: police calls over a ten year period of time between

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Speaker 1: a mother and her daughter, that's a little bit more

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Speaker 1: than just justifying an anger tantrum. This is violence at

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Speaker 1: a very high level. You're right. It's not just ignoring

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Speaker 1: an anger tantrum of some sort or forgiving petty offenses

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Speaker 1: in the home. It's so much more. But it seems

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Speaker 1: like it's a continuation a very innocent turning a blind eye,

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Speaker 1: and it goes on and on until it culminates in

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Speaker 1: this well, no Spoiled Breath Killer episode would be complete

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Speaker 1: without Anna Schroeder, and I've noticed whoever wants to jump

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Speaker 1: in that many of the incidents were a girl spoiled,

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Speaker 1: brat killer, kills her parents, or a parent it's over

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Speaker 1: a love interest. The first one I ever handled covered

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Speaker 1: was Sarah Johnson, who killed her mother because the mother

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Speaker 1: disapproved of her boyfriend. It was quite the phenomenon then

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Speaker 1: not so uncommon. Now take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 1: fifty two. Our friends at k WQC. Police say that

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Speaker 1: in July of twenty seventeen, Schroeder, then fifteen, fatally shot

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Speaker 1: her mother, fifty six year old Peggy Schroeder, and their

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Speaker 1: Morrison home over a dispute about a romantic relationship between

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Speaker 1: the teen and Rachel Helm, also then fifteen. After her

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Speaker 1: mother was shot, police say, Schroeder called Helm to help

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Speaker 1: clean up the scene. The two set the house on

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Speaker 1: fire the next day. The Schroeder's plead deal took the

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Speaker 1: possibility of a trial and charges of arson first degree

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Speaker 1: murder off the table. It's an offered. Peggy's sister, Charlie Wilkins,

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Speaker 1: told TV six and twenty twenty that she didn't agree

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Speaker 1: with and I feel everybody has the right to know

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Speaker 1: the evidence to see the evidence and here the evidence.

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Speaker 1: So I am disappointed there's not going to be a

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Speaker 1: jury trial. The plea agreement allows for a lesser sentence,

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Speaker 1: giving prison time for the now adult Anna a possibility

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Speaker 1: for anything from four to twenty years. Helm also faces

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Speaker 1: charges of arson and concealment of a body. You know

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Speaker 1: what the evidence that the victim's sister was talking about

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Speaker 1: will turn your stomach. Take a listen again to our

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Speaker 1: friends and cut fifty three k WQC. Following Peggy Schroeder's death,

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Speaker 1: police uncovered disturbing text messages between Anna Schroeder and Rachel

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Speaker 1: Helm that seemingly indicated the two teams wanted Schroeder dead

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Speaker 1: and even planned for it and hide the body. Health

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Speaker 1: and oh gras correct. The defense displayed multiple text conversations,

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Speaker 1: including a striking string of text between Anna Schroeder and

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Speaker 1: Rachel Helm showing the two teens conspired to murder Schroeder's

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Speaker 1: mother weeks before she died, responding, I'll help thill, so

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Speaker 1: I'm messed up. The same string of messages, which took

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Speaker 1: place in late June twenty seventeen, divulge their plans to

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Speaker 1: get rid of the body. So they could be together

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Speaker 1: and possibly live in Schroeder's home like you and we

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Speaker 1: can stay at your house together after week of the

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Speaker 1: Bible more correct, that's correct. The evidence which was discovered

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Speaker 1: during the investigation into Schroeder's death took place on multiple

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Speaker 1: devices and Facebook. Now let's do this quote. I will

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Speaker 1: literally kill her and hide the body. L m a oh,

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Speaker 1: laughing my ass off. That's what that stands for, Lao.

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Speaker 1: I will literally kill her and hide the body l

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Speaker 1: m a oh. Okay, cole old blooded killing of her

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Speaker 1: own mother, Dave Matt Why why did Anna Schroeder commit murder?

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Speaker 1: Because she, at fifteen was in love with another fifteen

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Speaker 1: year old and mom did not approve of the relationship.

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Speaker 1: That's what it was. Now, I hope you're all sitting down.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut fifty four KWQC. During

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Speaker 1: the hearing, the defense brought into evidence, Anne confirmed with

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Speaker 1: Lieutenant David Molina, who was at the stand as the

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Speaker 1: prosecution's witness, that Anna Schroeder sent home a picture of

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Speaker 1: her dead mother to prove she killed her. The pair

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Speaker 1: then began to discuss how to cover it up, and

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Speaker 1: then Regel asked, so, what are we doing with the

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Speaker 1: body again, question Mark and says, I feel like I

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Speaker 1: need to tell the show for my dad. Regel responds, Anna, don't, Anna, don't,

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Speaker 1: You'll go to jail. That was their response. She sent

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Speaker 1: a sad face emoji after murdering her mother. We may

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Speaker 1: never know why adult children kill their parents, but the

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Speaker 1: phenomena is growing. It's not as unusual anymore. We can

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Speaker 1: never know what goes on inside the mind of a killer.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds in these and other cases.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crumbs story signing off Goodbye friend,