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Speaker 1: Welcome on into Cleveland Brown's daily Your GM is at

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Speaker 1: the podium. Yeah. So we've always been a firm believer

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Speaker 1: been the case with Kevin, that will always be the case, UM,

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Speaker 1: with our coordinators because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: map UM personnel, strange skill sets to uh the offense,

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Speaker 1: defensive or kicking game philosophy. UM. And that'll be no

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Speaker 1: different than than with Jim. UM. It certainly does help that. UM.

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Speaker 1: You know, having worked with Jim before and having some

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Speaker 1: you know what he wants in different excuse me, different

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Speaker 1: different pardon different parts of the defense. But UM, but

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Speaker 1: that that'll be always be the case with our coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: One second, Timmy, Yeah, we we would we would always UM,

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Speaker 1: we would always stay in communication with like our our

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Speaker 1: coaching is that for our coordinator for a decision like this, UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the first things we'll ask really

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Speaker 1: any coach that actually any coach that is in the

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Speaker 1: group or evaluate their side of the ball, and then

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Speaker 1: from there we'll have the meaningful strategic discussions as we

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Speaker 1: as we modify the roster. I definitely understand the question, UM,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, I don't think that's an appropriate question

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Speaker 1: for me to answer in this setting, but I will

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Speaker 1: say that we're pleased with Beshawn is please with the

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Speaker 1: progress that he's made since he's UM been with us,

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Speaker 1: and UM certainly anticipate him having a very strong year

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Speaker 1: on and off the field going into twenty three. I'm sorry, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think for all of our young players, we'd like

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Speaker 1: to see them, UM you know, continue to make steps forward.

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Speaker 1: I think David as a as a rookie player, UM

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Speaker 1: put him in a number of of of different spots

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Speaker 1: throughout the year, and really, you know, his biggest strength

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Speaker 1: you know, we'd like to have him take a step

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Speaker 1: more familiarity with our offense. But UM, we're pleased with

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Speaker 1: him as a rookie, would like to see all of

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Speaker 1: our young players progress. I think, how do you want

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Speaker 1: to buy? Yeah, we're we're, we're We're very excited about

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Speaker 1: the sean. UM. You know, we are looking forward to UM,

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Speaker 1: several months. UM obviously having him have a you know,

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Speaker 1: and UM, you know certainly expect him to play at

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Speaker 1: a high level of this upcoming year. Andrew, in your

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Speaker 1: is there anything about that that can change as you

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Speaker 1: you in your position? I feel like I've heard this

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I think perhaps uh, you know, more

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Speaker 1: we actually think about it. We really do try and

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Speaker 1: coming here question to change of coordinators decisions. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: So this is always my portant time of the year

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Speaker 1: And UM, I do think that there are different points

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Speaker 1: Kevin's Kevin's levelheadedness. Uh. Quite honestly, I think it's easy

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Speaker 1: Quite honestly, Catherine's one of the most talented UM front

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Speaker 1: There's really nothing that she cannot do. UM. She can evaluate,

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Speaker 1: Scouting Combine merely both the great z. That was Andrew Berry,

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Speaker 1: our general manager at the podium. Good to see you,

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Speaker 1: huh now, good to see you. I mean, I can't

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Speaker 1: You grabbed Andrew Barry's headset, so I believe I can.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, no, I had you guys down. You

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Speaker 1: didn't say anything bad. It's all positive, you know. It's

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll walking by his eye with a big smile

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Speaker 1: He was so excited and even even said if you

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll? Good lord? What's he done? He's the nice

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Speaker 1: So he got he moused his handler. Yeah, he goes

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Speaker 1: those are some nice sweatshirts. Yeah, he said, said Joe,

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Speaker 1: they plan out their off season is he really gonna

425
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Speaker 1: go though to the Jets, Like, why would you go

426
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Speaker 1: to the AFC? Why wouldn't you Every quarterback should want

427
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Speaker 1: to go to your NFC. You know you have you

428
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Speaker 1: have such a bully guarantee to be in the playoffs. Yeah,

429
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Speaker 1: of course, just by being a good quarterback of such

430
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Speaker 1: a belief in oneself. And we know how much talent

431
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Speaker 1: they on their roster that you're like, well, just get

432
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Speaker 1: a load of them. If I'm there is probably this

433
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Speaker 1: we could have a situation. Let's just say for a

434
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Speaker 1: second that here with just the devil's advocate, if he

435
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Speaker 1: goes to the Jets. Let's say Aaron Rodgers goes to

436
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Speaker 1: the Jets. In the AFC, you will have Burrow, Alan Mahomes,

437
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Speaker 1: Herbert Rodgers, Lawrence Watson, Lamar. Assuming that he stays there,

438
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Speaker 1: I know he's out what he was, but Russ, and

439
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Speaker 1: maybe Russ bounces back this year with Joan Payton. I

440
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Speaker 1: would certainly would not rule that out right. Okay, that's

441
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Speaker 1: like nine. I'm probably forgetting something. I mean, two was

442
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Speaker 1: playing phenomenal football. We don't know if i'lliver goul to

443
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Speaker 1: play again. But that's like ten guys, nine of them

444
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Speaker 1: who are MVP Super Bowl champions, led league in passing,

445
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Speaker 1: all of which if you said, couldn't you picture this

446
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Speaker 1: guy Hoiston Lombardio, you would go yeah, absolutely. Then in

447
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Speaker 1: the NFC, it's gonna be what Jalen hurts and I guess,

448
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Speaker 1: but it's dak. I mean we're talking like that? Is

449
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Speaker 1: that fine? Man? By the way, did you see the

450
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Speaker 1: story what dad did for the hoff No, I says,

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Speaker 1: kids shoes. So he took care of the hof Sun.

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Speaker 1: So the whole fan, the whole fan, the whole kid.

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Speaker 1: So they're in at the super Bowl. They were in

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Speaker 1: the same box together and top Ticks picture and said,

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Speaker 1: Dak was so grace. Let my kids read to them.

456
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Speaker 1: They're like reading it, Dak a book and he says that.

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Speaker 1: Joey's like, you can't get these kids some better sneakers,

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Speaker 1: And joe was like, I don't know if I should

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Speaker 1: be offended by that or whatnot. But then a week

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Speaker 1: later he had sweet Nikes or Jordan's for the whole

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Speaker 1: all of every single Hoff kids. What a human I'm big,

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Speaker 1: big deck guy. That's incredible, but still number two, I

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Speaker 1: mean correct, yeah, no, I mean that's it. But like

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Speaker 1: that's great. You got NFC is Kirk, Cousins is probably

465
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Speaker 1: and Kirk's Kirk Gough, right, yeah, yeah, And that's there's

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Speaker 1: no you know, the a couple of them have, you know,

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Speaker 1: multiple first round picks in Detroit and see addle who

468
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Speaker 1: feels like their teams ascending? Um, it could be fun.

469
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Speaker 1: But there's also this notion of, you know, is there

470
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Speaker 1: such thing as a quarterback middle class anymore? Can you

471
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Speaker 1: win with a quarterback middle class? So that's Cousins, that's goff,

472
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Speaker 1: that's those type of guys who are upper middle class guys.

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Speaker 1: You might be able to could win in the regular season, clearly. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: i'd be able to in the NFC. I think that

475
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Speaker 1: the Roger situation is twofold one. Personally from my perspective,

476
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Speaker 1: he's radioactive, Okay, I would not touch him with in

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Speaker 1: a hazmat suit. Okay, there's just too much drama there.

478
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Speaker 1: But too, I think there's a bit of delusion as well,

479
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Speaker 1: because if you watched him last year, first signs of

480
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Speaker 1: him kind of falling off. In particular, it was late

481
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Speaker 1: in the season where he had a guy wide open

482
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Speaker 1: and missed him by ten yards because they're playing the

483
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Speaker 1: Rams through an easy pick, and it was like, he

484
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Speaker 1: doesn't make that mistake? What's going on here? So you

485
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Speaker 1: can believe in your abilities all the way to the

486
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Speaker 1: end until sometimes it has to basically tell you straight up, hey,

487
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Speaker 1: you're not good anymore. I'm not saying he's there, but

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Speaker 1: I do think that starting to you know, the term

489
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Speaker 1: gradual decline, right, some signs of that there. So you

490
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Speaker 1: mix that with the with the drama and the fact

491
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Speaker 1: that he's just radioactive. I wouldn't go after him. This

492
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Speaker 1: is a scenario in which I would go after him, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's even financially feasible. But

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Speaker 1: I feel like everything is with a cap is it's

495
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Speaker 1: a myth. You can do something to myth. Goes back

496
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Speaker 1: to the Bay Area, plays with Kyle, plays with Deebo

497
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Speaker 1: and Kittle, that's the best spot. Tocaffrey. Would the Packers

498
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Speaker 1: deal him there though? And he's they are, They're a

499
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Speaker 1: super Bowl face and he's always had beef with him

500
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Speaker 1: because they didn't draft him. Yeah, but they and Kyle,

501
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Speaker 1: I feel like, for sure, I just Packers would do that. Well,

502
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Speaker 1: and you know, we've had this fairy tale with the

503
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Speaker 1: Niners and old quarterbacks in passive Brady, So I think

504
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Speaker 1: it's as much a dream as anything. Bring Joe out

505
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Speaker 1: of retirement. Yeah not Steve Young though, No, not interested,

506
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Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. Bears are in a

507
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Speaker 1: pretty sweet position here, Yeah, catbird ze oh gosh, yeah,

508
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Speaker 1: love Love Smith should be he should be getting a check,

509
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Speaker 1: he should be on their payroll. Was an assistant whatever

510
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Speaker 1: for a while. I know, it feels like an inside job.

511
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Well yeah, I think the Colts too, you know, right,

512
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Speaker 1: screwing that game up. Well, they did the right, the

513
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Speaker 1: right thing for them. They did the right thing. They

514
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Speaker 1: were It allows them to be in position to draft

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Speaker 1: the quarterback they won. Yeah, and if you're Houston, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're the Bears, the perfect scenario, isn't it that

517
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Speaker 1: you get Houston, you get two, you get twelve, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you get maybe a one next year or

519
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Speaker 1: two whatever, but whatever the cost is, like and you

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Speaker 1: still draft, you still draft two. You're gonna grab at

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Speaker 1: one and maybe you get Jacksons with the jigbit twelve

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Speaker 1: and away. Baby, what's your thoughts on him? I love him,

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Speaker 1: loves him. I had a buddy tell me he's all

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Speaker 1: the good parts of Garret Wilson Christ Lave And when

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Speaker 1: they all shared the field, you couldn't quite see that.

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Speaker 1: But what you did see was Jackson, Smith and Jigba

527
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Speaker 1: get a lot of opportunities because Wilson and a Lave

528
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Speaker 1: were on the field. And then last year you don't

529
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Speaker 1: get anything out of him because he's gone after the

530
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame game. Right, I go back to conversation ahead,

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Speaker 1: he says, don't be that guy. You're being that guy

532
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Speaker 1: that I don't. Look, there's not always that guy. There's

533
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: no question he benefited by playing with a Lava and Wilson.

534
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: Anybody would and they're on the outside. That's part of it.

535
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Speaker 1: But I go back to stuff that art line talking

536
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Speaker 1: to him when he first came in that from a

537
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Speaker 1: route running perspective, he was a master class at that.

538
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Speaker 1: That his footwork in and out of breaks that he

539
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Speaker 1: was a master class at that. And they were raving

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Speaker 1: about him in a receiving room that had Wilson, a lave,

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, who I don't know if you've if you've

542
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: heard of him, he's decent, Ameca Buca like all of

543
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Speaker 1: those guys. It was Jackson that was like, I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you it's going to be Jackson Smith and Jigba. I'm

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Speaker 1: not suggesting. I don't think he's explosive as Wilson. He's

546
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Speaker 1: probably not as smooth as a lave. But like if

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Speaker 1: you were to tell me, like next year, if he's

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Speaker 1: drafted to a team that's got a quarterback, he catches

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Speaker 1: ninety passes, I'd be like, yeah, absolutely, yeah, ninety balls,

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Speaker 1: twelve hundred yards, eight touchdowns. Yeah, I think he's I

551
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: think he's got that up. It's out the door. Here's

552
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: the thing too. So and Jeremiah was a little bit

553
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Speaker 1: it felt like not down on him, but was not

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Speaker 1: putting him in that elite category. And then the comp was,

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00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: well he could be like an I'm on Ross and Brown,

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Speaker 1: I honor st Brown has been a phenomenal pro, but

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00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: they're different players. Yeah, he's not Jamar Chase though Jackson

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Speaker 1: sith In Jigba is regarded. But he's a pro way

559
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Speaker 1: higher than Aman Ross Brown was coming out and is

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Speaker 1: from a physical standpoint, Honor, I say Brown excellent, Like

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Speaker 1: can jack Jackson, Smith and Jigbo have of the career

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Speaker 1: Mary Cooper's had. Yeah, I actually I like that comparison. Yeah, yeah,

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00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: he can absolutely? How physical is he after the catch?

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00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: Pretty could? He had three hundred yards receiving against Utah

565
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Speaker 1: and the Rose Bowl. There's no defense played in that game. Hits.

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Speaker 1: They're the most physical of the Pact twelve teams by far. Yeah,

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00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: stylistically somewhat different, But why can't he be as productive

568
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Speaker 1: as say an Anklon Bolden was to give you a

569
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Speaker 1: Florida State catch? I mean that's the MRI thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think I think he's in that realm. Like, he's

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Speaker 1: not Jamar Chase, He's not justin Jefferson, which is what

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Speaker 1: maybe they think. You know, Jefferson was, even as much

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Speaker 1: as we liked him, he wasn't regarded to be what

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Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, if he was, he would have gone

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Speaker 1: in like the top five. But it was like, he's

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Speaker 1: a really good route runner, he's really smooth, he knows

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Speaker 1: how to separate. But it wasn't that he was going

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Speaker 1: to take the league by storm. That trade paid off

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Speaker 1: that Buffalo in Minnesota than anybody ever could have. The match,

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Speaker 1: everybody won, everybody wins. Yeahbody. He was very much like uh,

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Speaker 1: the the Alave, Jefferson, Wilson Chase. The two ls you

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Speaker 1: guys are probably a little better than the two Buckeye guys,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of stylistically there it's a pretty good comp.

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Speaker 1: I also think that we're dealing with a bit of

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Speaker 1: a change in what is the archetype of the ideal

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Speaker 1: franchise receiver that the first round pick, because we've had

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Speaker 1: so many freak athletes players like the Chases, like the Jefferson's,

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Speaker 1: like the Alaves and Wilson's, that we can't necessarily appreciate

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Speaker 1: a Smith and Jigba because this is with a Mari

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Speaker 1: and the Browns he's often overlooked totally. Look at the numbers,

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Speaker 1: look at the production and situations at which he performant.

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Speaker 1: He performs it's it's it's not hard. It's just a walk.

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00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: to this and then it almost feels like this is

632
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: the start of the sprint to the finish for us.

633
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: Where does it fit for you guys in terms of

634
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: the sprint to the draft? It's funny, I've always called

635
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: it a marathon sprint because you think about it, we

636
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: start and really may our scouts do a great job

637
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: of just getting his jump started with with the evaluations

638
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: of all the prospects. So it's really it's like a

639
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen, fourteen month process for us to really dig

640
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: into these players and get to know who they are.

641
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: For me and I equated to like go into a

642
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: foreign land every year and trying to map out the

643
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: terrain of these individuals. And every piece of land you

644
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: go to is unique and you're trying to figure out

645
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: what makes it special. And some places look prettier on

646
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: the outside, but you can't really build there, and then

647
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: some places look born, you know, So it's just it's

648
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: it's a. It's an awesome process. It's a long process,

649
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: and we're in the middle of it right now. We're

650
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: in a thick of it. We're close, we're close. What's

651
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: it like when you you know, you've watched the tape,

652
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: you've talked your area scouts, who have talked to everybody

653
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: that knows these prospects from their whole lives, and then

654
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: you get here and you actually get a chance to

655
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: sit down with some of them and get in the room.

656
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: How valuable are those interviews and what's kind of what

657
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: are you hoping to come out of those with? I mean, really,

658
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: it's another touch point to your point when you go

659
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: into schools, you're really you're you're trying to stay out

660
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: of the way, right let them do what they need

661
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: to do. They're all competing to try to make it

662
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: to the you know, FCS or I'm sorry, FBS Championship

663
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: and uh, you know host a trophy, So you want

664
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: to respect their process. So you really get second and

665
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: third hand information and and things about the players. So

666
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: this is really the first time you hear it from them,

667
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: and you kind of get to let them tell their

668
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: story and share a little bit about why you know,

669
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: we should consider bringing them into ourn organization. So it's

670
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: it's great, you know, to sit down with these young

671
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: men and get to know him a little bit. Has

672
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: there ever been an interview so powerful that it either

673
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: made you guys say, yeah, we gotta have this guy

674
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: it was kind of the tiebreaker, or no, like this

675
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: guy is not wired the way we want. There's been both,

676
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: I gotta think, but just generally there are some times

677
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: where I think you forget and I say we I'll

678
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: include myself that we're all humans, right, and we all

679
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: have life experiences that shape and mold us in good

680
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: and bad ways. But you don't really realize what some

681
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: of these young men have push through off the field

682
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: in their lives story to get here. You know, whether

683
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: it's dealing with homelessness, you know, losing siblings or parents

684
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: at a young age. Um you know, even some of

685
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: the on field aspects of you know, being benched and

686
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: having a scrap and claw to get your position back,

687
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: or you know, build back up your brand as a

688
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: football player. So sometimes you sit there and you're like, yeah,

689
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: this is this is what it's about, right, you know,

690
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: this this is what makes football so special, all the

691
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: unique stories of each player that you bring into a team,

692
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: and then that team goes and flourishes. Like I think

693
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: that's what makes football so special. And I think let's

694
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: let's stubtail that into the on field stuff, right, Because

695
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: you have mountains and mountains of tape. Then you've watched

696
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: you've seen these person you've seen these guys actually playing football.

697
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: Has there been an instance where everything that that that

698
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: something happened here in testing that defied what you saw

699
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: on tape that changed your mind? Oh many times, many time. Yeah,

700
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: you know die test is important, but it's not PERI, right,

701
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: So and sometimes you see things on film that you

702
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: have questions about and then guys come in confirm it

703
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: or you're like, well, wait a minute, you know I

704
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: didn't know he was at explosive or man, he didn't

705
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: run as fast as I thought he would run to

706
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: it kind of makes you step back and reevaluate the player.

707
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: And you're always you're just testing every theory, testing every theory,

708
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: and then you get to the draft and you got

709
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: to make a decision. You know, at some point you

710
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: gotta make a decision. So yeah, we're always trying to

711
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: learn something where it's something they say something they know

712
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: something we didn't know they understood about the game, or questions.

713
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's all a part of it. Yeah,

714
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: well let's step back and take kind of that eighty

715
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: thousand foot view. You know. AB likes to say that

716
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: you guys like to go into every off season as

717
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: though you're an expansion team. And in some ways, probably

718
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: in those first three years, you could do that in

719
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: a sense because you had a quarterback on a rookie

720
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: deal and so you actually had kind of a blank slate,

721
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: we'll call it. Well, now you have the franchise quarterback.

722
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: He has a big number which can be restructured. They

723
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: be alluded to that, But how does that change the

724
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: whole process when the most important thing is in place

725
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: finally and then but that causes some financial constraints elsewhere.

726
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: So when I'll say to your part of your question,

727
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't change the process. Like, so we stick to

728
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: the process every year, you know, we want to be

729
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: disciplined with how we approach preparing for free agency the draft.

730
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: So I don't think it changes the process at all.

731
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: Maybe eliminates a step that we don't have to scout

732
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: first round quarterbacks, but even still, like you know, you

733
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: still want to maintain you know, the knowledge your eyes

734
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: and the knowledge of the players coming out. So yeah,

735
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: we're still gonna We studied all the quarterbacks this year.

736
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: You know, that's just that's a part of our process.

737
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: Now how you construct and build the team. Obviously you

738
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: have to be strategic about it, and it maybe take

739
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: some unique approaches depending on what Deshawn's number is or

740
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: is not. But um, the process piece doesn't change. But

741
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: obviously every year it's a new team, right, So like

742
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: every team is stepping back a little bit and making

743
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: sure like, hey, are we where we want to be

744
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: roster wise short and long term to give our chances

745
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: the best give ourselves the best chances to compete for

746
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: a championship. So yeah, and the you know, the the

747
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: interesting thing and I'm wondering, I don't know. I think

748
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: sure in your job you always have that sense of urgency.

749
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: But we are in the spot where our best players

750
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: are all in their prime. I mean, we're there from

751
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: that standpoint, and so we can all acknowledge there's gonna

752
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: be some things that need to be done to improve

753
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: the team. It's crazy in the AFC, the talent in

754
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: the AFCUM. So there's a high standard. There is there

755
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: a sense of urgency to let's go. We gotta go,

756
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: windows wide, wide open, and we gotta go. You gotta

757
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: be urgent every year, I think, yeah, So, yes, there's

758
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: a sense of urgency. I think the fans of Cleveland

759
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: drive a sense of urgency. The energy that is in

760
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: the city right now. You feel we want to we

761
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: want to compete, and I think everyone in the building

762
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: feels the same thing. We want to compete for the

763
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to win the division, compete in the playoffs, and

764
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: make it to the super Bowl. So yeah, I think

765
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: if you're not urgent, that's an issue. You know, if

766
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: if you're complacent at all in our division, in our league,

767
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: it will show. So I think the simple answers, yes, Um,

768
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: Now that urgency doesn't change doing the right thing, or

769
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: at least what you believe to be the right thing.

770
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: But um, you definitely feel it and you want to

771
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: feel it, you know. I enjoy being in the store

772
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: and hearing fans talk about the team and the expectations

773
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: because if you don't set high expectations, you don't have

774
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: high achievement, you know what, Otherwise, what are we doing here, right,

775
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: But it's just the windows different though, right. I agree.

776
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: You have young guys who are you know, in the

777
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: in the rookie deals, bunch of we got a bunch

778
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: of guys were paying who are all in their prime. Yeah,

779
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: so there's a different feel. It feels different. This is

780
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: our my fifth time over here, and it does this

781
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: one feel different? Right? Yeah, Like we've added all these

782
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: things that that are like the finite things required to

783
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: go do the most important things. It's a problem you

784
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: want to have, right, Yeah, it's a good problem. You

785
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: could be talking about needing to uh everything, bringing a

786
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: lot of talent, but we feel like we have a

787
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: good roster and we're gonna do what we need to

788
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: do to make sure it's even better this offseason. So

789
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: this is something that's happened. So hopefully you're comfortable talking

790
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: about it because it ties into what you were saying.

791
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: One of the guys that's in our prime right now,

792
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper. You come to the combine a lot of times,

793
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: maybe that's when you find out that somebody liking Amari

794
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: Cooper might be available. Right. And I don't know if

795
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: it went how it started, if we reached out to them.

796
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: They it was just kind of known that, hey, we're

797
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: shopping a Mari here. How does that process go from

798
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: the moment that it is a colonel that, Okay, we've

799
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: got a chance to get a guy like Amari Cooper.

800
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: You and ab and Kevin and depot kind of huddling

801
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: up and here's what we go through and kind of

802
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: just walk us through that process because that everybody. A

803
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: lot of people who listen, they don't get to do

804
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: this in real life. They're doing fancy football, right, they

805
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: can call their buddy, Hey I want this guy, You

806
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: give me this guy or Madden, right, But in the

807
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: real world, how do you guys, what's that process like

808
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: that Land's at In this case, I'll say it a fleecing.

809
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: It brings a guy like a Mari Cooper for a

810
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: very very nice relative to other trades are made a

811
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: very nice value. Yeah, we're happy with the trade for sure.

812
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's part of what we talked

813
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: about earlier, right, Like you want to be consistent with

814
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: how you approach it, so you know, every year we're here,

815
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking to different people with different teams

816
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: and trying to understand some of their needs. Some of

817
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: the places they feel like they have surplus. You know,

818
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: some of the players are looking to acquire, positions, are

819
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: looking to acquire or positions to trade away. And so

820
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: I think we do a good job of making sure

821
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: we do due diligence across the league. I think we

822
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of scorts the earth is what

823
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: we call it, in terms of making sure, hey, who

824
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: could potentially be available or what team is looking for what,

825
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: And then from there it's just a matter of hey,

826
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: how does this fit? You know, and really just you know,

827
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: taking our steps with Kevin and say, hey, how does

828
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: how does Amari fit into our offense? How does he

829
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: fit into the system, what we do with him, how

830
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: would we use them, things of that nature, and then

831
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: kind of transitioning from there once you feel good about

832
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: all right, he's a good fit. You know, he's a

833
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: good guy, he's a good person. With Mars, I think

834
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: that's a great individual. And then from there it's just okay,

835
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: how could we strategically make this move and put ourselves

836
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: in the best position to also do other things we

837
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: need to do. So I think what made it unique

838
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: was Sean wasn't on the roster yet and I'm sure

839
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: some people were like, hey, you know, how does this

840
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: fit into Yeah, we're just getting a great player for

841
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: the big Pie. But that's what it is. You know,

842
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: you never you're never you're never not trying to make

843
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: your team better. Um, and obviously there were some other

844
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: things going on, but we just felt like he was

845
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: such a great addition and fortunately it worked out last

846
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: year he played really well um that we ended up

847
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: doing it. Is it fun in negotiation because you know,

848
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: and for in our role, which would be in a

849
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: fantasy thing somime, as you throw things out like a

850
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: low ball and you think that there's no way and

851
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: they're like, sure, yeah we'll do that. You're like, okay, deal.

852
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: You guys sells the deal. No. I mean, I'll say,

853
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: you're usually not the only suitor, so there's not you

854
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: know that there's always competition. Yeah, there's not many of

855
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: those situations where you're coming in and guys across the

856
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: league are pretty talented too, and they do a good

857
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: job and making sure they build their rosters and manage

858
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: their resource as well, so you know, you often have

859
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: to make shan offers. And it just worked out. Like

860
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just a good pairing and it worked out. Yeah,

861
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: it's one of those things I think though that I

862
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: would think it would be really exciting about doing the

863
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: job because you have you have these processes that are

864
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: built in, and the processes are built in so that

865
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: there's contingency upon contingency upon contingency. But then at any

866
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: moment you have to be as nimble as possible with

867
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: all of the contingencies when something like this happens. So

868
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: you can plan everything out all you want, but then

869
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like, wait, we can we

870
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: do that. This can happen, and then that domino and

871
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: the other piece of that is you get the third

872
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: base and you can't come home, you know. So you

873
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: do all the work and you know, you you make

874
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: strides in conversation and you get the deal worked out,

875
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: and then one night they just call and tell oh,

876
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: we you know, we change our mind or you know,

877
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: we're moving into to a different team for a better

878
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: quote unquote price. So you just there's probably more of

879
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: those than maybe sometimes is. Would people's jaw drop with

880
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: some of those, Yeah, like you'd be you'd be surprised,

881
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: you can't almost Yeah, you know a lot of almost

882
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: where you checked in and you're like, hey, we there's

883
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: a chance we can get this guy in a few

884
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: weeks down the road, they either change their mind or

885
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: it just doesn't work out. So we're always we're always trying.

886
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: We're always trying, at least we are. You mentioned the

887
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: fans earlier, and you know, I think for players as well,

888
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: and maybe even even coaches, although they're very involved with

889
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: you guys. It's very collaborative in that way. But you

890
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: gotta wait till September, right, you know, we're till September

891
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: for things to actually happen and to kind of get

892
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: the taste out of your mouth. And it's true for

893
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: you guys as well, but in the front office at least,

894
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: this is your time to go shopping and to try

895
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: to like change what September will be. So it almost

896
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: you almost have to move on real really quickly, right,

897
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: maybe perhaps quicker than the players or even the coaches,

898
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: who really can't do anything until the fall. You really do,

899
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we as soon as the season ends, like

900
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: our season ends, you know, we go through our thorough

901
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: process of first vetting our own team and understanding where

902
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: we are and and you know, potentially potential strengths and

903
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: weaknesses and then move to that next up of like, Okay,

904
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: how do we make improvements? So yeah, you do kind

905
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: of have to flush it pretty quick. But then on

906
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: the inverse, like we get to September and there's not

907
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: much else you know, we can do. You have the

908
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: trade deadline, which is you know, the big opportunity. But

909
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: for the most part, now we're we're spectators too, kind

910
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: of like Madden. Right, you can put it together. Now

911
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: you got a simm it and you just have to

912
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: sit there and watch the outcomes are. The only difference

913
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: is the sim is way slower. You can't do ten

914
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: seasons in an hour, like a like a kid as

915
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: a kid. So um no, it's that's what makes it

916
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: fun but also sometimes excruciating to go through. Buddy, it

917
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: is always a pleasure to you. We think, I gotta

918
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: get a sweater, I gotta get apart. We know the crew,

919
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: we do know the guy. We know these are hot.

920
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody's sitting down. But we had this. It

921
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: literally stopped Pete Carroll in his tracks when you saw

922
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: the hoodies. Yeah, I stopped right there and went was

923
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: to his handler. He said, I like so I have

924
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: to go in the store. Yeah, no, no, no no,

925
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: it's like maybe do a draw something like yeah, maybe

926
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: that's out. For friends with the program such as yourself,

927
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: Well that's different, but I'm all different scenario. I feel

928
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: like this has quickly become the most coveted thing. It

929
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: used to be absolute, It used to be absolutely. Yeah,

930
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: the next levels next, I'll see you guys. We'll see

931
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: you guys. We'll see on down the road. CLI, great stuff. Man,

932
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: appreciate you talking about the great Clen Cook, our assistant

933
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: general manager, one of the bright rising stars in all

934
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: of this business. Second hour of the program. Coming up

935
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: nextus to Cleveland Browns Daily on eight fifty Yes in

936
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: Cleveland live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This

937
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: is Cleveland Brown's Daily, brought to you by Bally bed

938
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: Coming soon to Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland and

939
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: welcome back into Cleveland Browns Daily. Are pleasure to be

940
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: joined by the great Andrew Barry, our general manager. And

941
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: maybe I think we'll start here is how is this

942
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: the most difficult interview you've ever done in the face

943
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: of these hoodies, which I know, the envy that you

944
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: have that you don't have one of these yet. I

945
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: am very, very jealous. I don't have a Cleveland Browns

946
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: Daily radio show hoodie. Where can I get one of those?

947
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: Do you guys know a guy happened to know a guy?

948
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: These are the three? Okay, okay, I mean just saying so,

949
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: I just want to get that out of the way.

950
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: I just want to get that out of the way.

951
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: I knew it would be tough. Here we are, man

952
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: away we go. This is I think for a lot

953
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: of us, it's like, okay, here we go, started the league.

954
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: But you guys have been doing this work forever now

955
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: that this is when this stuff really gets going for you.

956
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: As you come back to this thing, what's what's most

957
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: important as you walk in here? What's your agenda look

958
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: like here over the rest of the week. Yeah, so

959
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely a very busy week. It actually starts

960
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: off with a number of i would say non team

961
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: affiliate business, more lead business with different you know, committee

962
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: meetings that we're on spent most of the day actually

963
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: in league committee meetings. But then from there it's really

964
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: two pronged you know. Number one, Um, you know, it's

965
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: really the first time that we have kind of our

966
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: first look at the upcoming draft class. We've done a

967
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: lot of scouting and research and and and obviously you know,

968
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: hit the All Star Game circuit. But it gives us

969
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: an opportunity to, um, you know, really spend some time

970
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: with these individuals face to face in person, UM, which

971
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: is really good. And then there's a fair amount of

972
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: business that UM, you know, we have to take care

973
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: of with our own roster UM before the start of

974
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: the league. GEAR. So we'll meet with UM a lot

975
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: of the representation from from guys on our own roster

976
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: and and and and have those um you know, crucial

977
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: and important conversations. Speaking of our own roster, you got

978
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: to get under the salary cap by the start of

979
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: the league. Gear. Today, it was reported the Browns would

980
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: be releasing John Johnson the third I guess would be

981
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: post June first designation save some of that money. What

982
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: was kind of the decision making there and how did

983
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: we kind of come to this point? Yeah, you know,

984
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: I think at this point, UM, there's there's really no

985
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: certainty in terms of UM how that that that resolution

986
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: will be reached to be honest, name UM, but we

987
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: did UM, you know, have discussions with John and his representation,

988
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: and UM really appreciative all the work that he's done

989
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: over the past two years for us on the field

990
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: and certainly in the locker room. But as we think

991
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: about twenty twenty three and moving forward, UM, we just

992
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: thought that, you know, that a party was probably the

993
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: best thing for the team. So that creates a hole

994
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: in the back end of this defense. Is this something

995
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: you know when you look at it with you know,

996
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz gonna play a little bit more single high

997
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: than perhaps we've seen in the past. Are you looking

998
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: for more of a true center fielder to compliment Grant,

999
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: you know, really to to be determined to be honest,

1000
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: like you know, I think this was um, you know,

1001
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: certainly partly in conjunction with scheme, but it wasn't all

1002
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: necessarily all driven by that. And without going into the particulars,

1003
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: I think how we look on that side of the ball, UM,

1004
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: you know, could could take a bunch of a different UM.

1005
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: I guess appearances going in twenty twenty three, depending on

1006
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: how things shake out the next several weeks. With again

1007
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: without the specifics, because I know you're not gonna give

1008
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: him anybody right, or would we want to ask him

1009
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: at this point to make a public but just big

1010
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: pictures as what as you look at at a let's

1011
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: say it's a wall, how many contingencies are there for

1012
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: you at positions? What does that look like? Yeah, you know,

1013
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: it's probably hard to give a firm number, but I'll

1014
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: suffice it to say a fair amount. Um. I think

1015
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: probably twenty twenty was maybe the only off season where

1016
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: a lot of the call it plan A or original

1017
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: plan you know, came to fruition. Oftentimes the next six

1018
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: seven months they take a lot of different twists and turns.

1019
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: So we certainly do have a preferred approach as we

1020
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, enter the month of March and certainly the

1021
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three league year, but oftentimes it changes. So

1022
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: our big thing is we want to make sure that

1023
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: we stay flexible and we stay opportunistic um as opposed

1024
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: to so rigid that we can't adjust to either unexpected opportunity,

1025
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: good opportunities, or um you know, perhaps unexpected things that

1026
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: we hope didn't occur. So we've just got to be

1027
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: able to stay loose and flexible. We talked about the

1028
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: salary cap earlier and the kind of his planning for that.

1029
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: You know right now, some people, ah, the Browns don't

1030
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: have any money. Just explain people the the mechanisms you

1031
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: guys have at your disposal between now and the start

1032
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: of the league year to free up space and then

1033
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: to be able to make some of the moves that

1034
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure you are hoping to make when free agency opens. Well,

1035
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: how about this, I will guarantee that we will be

1036
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: under the salary cap before the start of the twenty

1037
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: twenty three league year. M Quite honestly, I think, um

1038
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: that's that's oftentimes a maybe a difficult thing to to

1039
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: fully appreciate within you know, within public spaces. I think

1040
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: number one because um, you know, most teams at this

1041
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: point there's a little bit of a dissociation between how

1042
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: you manage the cap and how you actually manage your

1043
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: cash going into the league year, because the cap is

1044
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: really just an accounting mechanism for how you're going to

1045
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: spend on the roster or spend on the team. Um,

1046
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: within you know, the cap accounting rules, there are a

1047
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: number of ways to create space, you know, whether it's um,

1048
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, a cut, releasing a player, whether it's trading

1049
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: a player, whether it's restructuring a deal, whether it's negotiating

1050
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: a you know, a real extension. So there are a

1051
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: number of tools at UM, you know, at the disposal

1052
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: of NFL teams to create room UM. But you don't

1053
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: do any of these, any of these moves in a vacuum. UM.

1054
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: You know, you think about number one holistically with the

1055
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: roster in the present year. But then you know, secondarily

1056
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: it's it's really kind of at least we look at

1057
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: it over you know, a multi year, multi year spam

1058
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: when you know when we plan and as I mentioned

1059
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, you know, our big thing is

1060
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: maintaining flexibility UM from year to year, and that'll that'll

1061
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: continue to be our approach. Maybe from a if you

1062
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: think of the off season as a as a pie chart,

1063
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: what percentage of that chart is this week in Indie

1064
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: on a prospect level, and then of that percentage, how

1065
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: do you weigh work out individual meetings medicals. The importance there,

1066
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: I'd say this week is like maybe maybe upwards of

1067
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: five percent and UM probably in most prospects case maybe

1068
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: two to three percent. And and and the ones that

1069
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: maybe fall in the five percent category are the ones

1070
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: that may have um, you know, significant medical issues that

1071
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: need to be discussed or further or further vetted. UM.

1072
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: You know, really the work that we've done for you know,

1073
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: at this point the past call it ten months on

1074
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: this draft class, it weighs more heavily than anything that

1075
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: they would do here. UM. The medical information is something

1076
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: that you don't get till till you know, really this

1077
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: this week. UM. The you know, interpersonal touch points are

1078
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: are important. But even then you only get limited time UM,

1079
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: and will oftentimes wait people who have been with them

1080
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,959
Speaker 1: at their universities for three, four or five years, UM,

1081
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: outside of maybe a twenty minute exposure that we get

1082
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. But those touch points are important. They gear

1083
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: how much additional time we want to spend throughout the

1084
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: spring process. And then it's always good to see the

1085
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: you know, see their um, you know, their physical characteristics

1086
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: in a in a a controlled environment. UM. But at

1087
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: the end of the day, those are those are very

1088
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: small pieces of the puzzle, and it's a it's a

1089
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: puzzle that it involves free agency and it's going to

1090
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: involve draft In terms of the roster construction puzzle, we

1091
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of free agence to take the linebacker position,

1092
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: for example. A lot of guys who played for you

1093
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: last year we had so many injuries, but many of

1094
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: them are going to be free agents. Do you expect

1095
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: to kind of shore up anything prior to the start

1096
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: of the league year and solidify some people that have

1097
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: been here bringing them back or is that something that

1098
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: you're kind of We'll see how it all unfolds once

1099
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: we get there. Yeah, honestly, it's you have to be determined.

1100
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that you know, there aren't

1101
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: a number of individuals that we'd like to return to Cleveland,

1102
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: but the timing of that is really individual specific. You know,

1103
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: I think we'll have a number of of of our players,

1104
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, that will hit the free agent market, and

1105
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: the market dynamics will determine whether they return or not.

1106
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: But you know, one thing, one thing that I've learned

1107
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: over the past couple of years is it really is

1108
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: a bit of a marathon in the offseason, not a

1109
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: sprint like everything doesn't happen. And sure, the first couple

1110
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: of days of free agency, whether it's retaining your own

1111
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: guys or signing other players or filling different roster needs,

1112
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: one of the obviously most helpful things for this offseason

1113
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: is you're gonna get a full off season with Deshaun Watson.

1114
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: He's gonna full training camps, get a full season, all

1115
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: of those things. As you look back on that, the

1116
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 1: chaos of all of that, of camp going to eleven,

1117
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, and then the return, how where

1118
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: does your mind go? Where's your perspective on what that

1119
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: process was like and how how we handled it as

1120
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: an organization. Yeah, I mean it's it's certainly a lot,

1121
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: But I mean, look, every organization is going to go

1122
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: through adversity. Every every organization is going to go through um,

1123
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: challenging times at points in the year. Um. And really

1124
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: our job is as professionals just to navigate them. Um

1125
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: and and and obviously for us, like you know, really

1126
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: as we like reflect on the entirety of the season, um,

1127
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, our results weren't good enough. Um, But we're

1128
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: certainly you know, energized by the challenges of you know,

1129
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: improving the team, improving the organization and making sure that

1130
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, when we're here a year from now, we're

1131
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 1: a lot happier with the results from the season. This

1132
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: is going to be your fourth drest in this time

1133
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: with the Cleveland Browns, your fourth offseason, fourth free agency period.

1134
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: You know, your first class that you drafted is they're

1135
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: going to be their seniors now right, They're going in

1136
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: the final year of those rookie deals. What's kind of

1137
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 1: been the biggest thing that you've learned or what's maybe

1138
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: changed the most in your approach, if anything about you

1139
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: know that you've gained from those past few years experiences.

1140
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: I think it's really just astley patience. Patience and flexibility.

1141
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: Those would be the two two biggest things, you know.

1142
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: I think early on I used to worry more about

1143
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: things that like I couldn't control or we couldn't control

1144
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: as an organization, and just the reality it is like

1145
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 1: whenever the league year opens, it's really a seven seven

1146
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: and a half month time frame until you get to

1147
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: the trade deadline and you can no longer make changes

1148
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: with your significant changes with your roster and the number

1149
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: of you know, doors that will open and Quinazi doors

1150
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: that may shut that you don't expect that happened during

1151
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: that time period. You can't protict, and you know, staying

1152
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: flexible's key. Speaking of that flexibility, you guys have been

1153
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say rigid. But it's clear that you have

1154
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: an age preference for people that you like to draft with.

1155
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: You know, guys like Miles and Denzel and Nick and

1156
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: now you have de Shaun kind of in their primes.

1157
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: And given that the COVID year has caused this draft

1158
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: class to have probably more older twenty three year olds

1159
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: in the top hundred, does that change your approach and

1160
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: in thinking about that age number at all, not in particular.

1161
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, maybe there's uh, maybe the

1162
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: age preferences are a bit overstated. Um, Look, well, we'll

1163
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: deal with each prospect or each individual based on their

1164
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: based on their individual circumstances. You know, I don't know that. Um,

1165
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, age necessarily equals readiness coming into the NFL,

1166
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: just like youth doesn't necessarily mean that the play potential, Yeah, potential.

1167
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: So um, you know, we're really trying to address it

1168
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: on a case by case basis. Maybe how do you

1169
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: balance I mean Z mentioned like, you know, this is

1170
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: your fourth draft, kids going into the final final, your

1171
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: rookie contracts. Everybody you draft you love, right, otherwise you

1172
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't have drafted them. How do you balance what you

1173
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: saw in someone as a prospect and versus maybe some

1174
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: of the difficulties they've had on the field. This business

1175
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: has been as we get it, but there's a personal

1176
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 1: side of it too. How do you balance that personally? Yeah,

1177
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: I think it's probably no different than any I mean,

1178
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: it may sound sill of it, it's no different than

1179
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: any other UM position in the organization. Obviously, when you

1180
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: bring someone in, you'd like to be able to support

1181
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: them to have as much success as possible. But um,

1182
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, the reality particularly with the draft. UM, you

1183
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: know on average that I think there are roughly maybe

1184
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: forty seven starters that come out of you know, two

1185
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty you know, person draft. So it's it's

1186
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: actually a very small subset of the draft. And I

1187
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: think you kind of understand, you know, doing it, you

1188
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of understand what to expect going in, UM and

1189
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: you realize that that that not every not every player

1190
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: is going to reach his potential, not every player is

1191
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: going to stay healthy, and then sometimes not even every

1192
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: player will just reach his potential with you, And that's

1193
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: just kind of a reality of the reality business. And

1194
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: you do your best. At the end of the day,

1195
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: you want to make decisions that are best for the organization,

1196
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: and you can do that while steal, treating and managing

1197
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: people with you know, level of empathy and support that

1198
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: is fair to the individual. And that's what we try

1199
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: and do. As you're here and you're not going to

1200
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: tell us, but everything I think it's you know, from

1201
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: the outside, it's a somewhat obvious some of the things

1202
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: that we need right going into this offseason. How do

1203
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: you kind of divvy up that focus in terms of

1204
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: on the defensive line and working with a new defensive

1205
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: coordinator now and Jim Schwartz and kind of figuring out

1206
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: and you guys have history together, but figuring out what

1207
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: that looks like, you know, because it's a minor shift.

1208
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: Is the first time you got a new defensive coordinator

1209
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: with a little bit of a different defensive style. How

1210
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: do you kind of focus in on honing in on

1211
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: what we want for this now and kind of to

1212
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: build this team where you know, we've had veterans in

1213
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: the past. Now we're counting either young guys to step

1214
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: up or step in, and then we still have free

1215
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: agency to fill in some veterans. But how does that

1216
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: that kind of new marriage work and change kind of

1217
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: the outlook if at all, I don't. I don't think

1218
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: the process is that different. I mean, you always want

1219
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: to make sure that you partner with the coaching staff

1220
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: if you're if you're a front office, UM, you know,

1221
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: for an office member. UM, I think having familiarity with

1222
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: Jim and quite honestly being in UM similar to systems

1223
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: to what Jim has done, you know, during my time

1224
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis certainly helps. But you know, I know I

1225
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: know Jim very well from you know, from our time

1226
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: in Philly. UM. But even if even if we didn't

1227
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: necessarily have a working history together, UM, you'll you know,

1228
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: I've always kind of come up in the model where

1229
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: the front office partners with the coaching staff, and UM,

1230
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: you ultimately try and marry players and skill sets with

1231
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: the philosophy of the coordinators. You mentioned Jim Bubba as

1232
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: well coming in and a bunch of a bunch of

1233
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: changes to the staff. UM, what personnel? Were there certain

1234
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: traits that you guys were obviously it's Kevin staff and

1235
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: in terms it's the Brown staff as you certain traits

1236
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: you are looking for and filling those positions. Were there

1237
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: anythings we need a little bit more of this? Yeah,

1238
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: I think I think it's you know, I think number one,

1239
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: it's probably more appropriate task you know Kevin about it,

1240
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: but you know from from from my perspective. UM, you know,

1241
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: we had the opportunity to to add two very talented

1242
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: coordinators UM and a number of other talented position coaches. UM.

1243
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: I think that UM certainly like with Bubba in particular,

1244
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: former player perspective, proven track record, really good teacher. UM,

1245
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: you'll passionate, fiery personality. UM. I think those are all

1246
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: think those are all positives. And UM. You know with

1247
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: Jim UM, I think he's called over like four hundred

1248
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: NFL games either as like a head coach or defensive coordinator.

1249
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: Is super smart, UM been a variety of places former

1250
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: head coach. UM again another another experienced guy with a

1251
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: proven track record, And I think both those individuals can

1252
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: make organization better. One thing about his defense, it's always

1253
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: had a Pro Bowl or All Pro defensive tackle. We've

1254
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: got guys here that you've drafted, Jordan Elliott, Perry on

1255
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: show and I think some flashes certainly was in a

1256
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: half of that season. How important is it to find

1257
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: that real interior disruptor? And you know, Darron Payne was

1258
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: a guy we all saw like, oh he'd be great.

1259
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: Well I franchised him today. Um, how how important is that? Yeah?

1260
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: I think people oftentimes want to put Jim in a box. Um,

1261
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't necessary that's say that that that's the case. Um,

1262
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, certainly everybody would love that player. Um, but

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Speaker 1: but Jim is perhaps not as um as rigid or

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Speaker 1: dogmatic as maybe people assume. All right, this one is

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Speaker 1: and this is a serious one. Are you finding it

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Speaker 1: this year harder to trade with people after what you

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Speaker 1: did in the Amari Cooper trade? Because I would imagine

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Speaker 1: that when you do something like that, people are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's into this. Maybe I'm not as into this. So

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Speaker 1: we run into this in fantasy football people, Yeah you're not.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to trade with you anymore. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about that. Well, we'll we'll see as as we

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Speaker 1: get into uh, you know, this week and uh, the

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Speaker 1: upcoming off season. But I think we're um fortunate to

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Speaker 1: be in a transactional league where people are more willing

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01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: to be flexible with their with their rosters. So we'll see. Well,

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01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: you gotta be nimble, and I think that's one thing

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01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: you've done. That's very you know you when opportunity presents,

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01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: you've got to be ready to act, and it feels

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01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: like you guys as a front office are always ready

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01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,919
Speaker 1: for that and that's got to be such a huge

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01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: part of the job. No, it's it's it's it's it's needed.

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01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: It's it's needed and um, and particularly in um you

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01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: know the current environment that the NFL's in with it

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01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: being a more transactional sport. So um, it's certainly something

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01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: we pride ourselves on and then hopefully we can pounce

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01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: on opportunities this year as well. Yeah, that goes back

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01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: to what he's saying about having the flexibility with the cap,

1289
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: but to be able to, oh we want this guy,

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01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: we can go get them. That's exactly right. Is this

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01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: a fun time a year for you or is it

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: stressful time or it's both. It's both, but probably more

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01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: fun than stressful. Yeah, you get to go out there,

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01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: we'll do some great things, get this roster going and

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01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: excited for another season here and hopefully one is you

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01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: said that meets the expectations of a team that has

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Speaker 1: a chance I think to be very very good. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys, maybe thanks for your time. All right, thanks both,

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Speaker 1: Thanks much more to Combu. Listened to Cleveland Browns Daily

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Speaker 1: partner of your Cleveland Browns. You know, we've had so

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Speaker 1: many luminaries that we haven't even had a chance to

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Speaker 1: chop it up. No, we didn't, and I have two

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Speaker 1: taco dinners to discuss. We've got actual NFL news in

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Speaker 1: terms of the John Johnson reporting that's out there. We

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Speaker 1: can talk about the fact that Indiana has two lanes

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Speaker 1: of traffic all the way from two major metropolitan cities,

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01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: which makes no damn sense at all. So we had

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways we can go here, bud Well.

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Speaker 1: I also liked that Andrew Barry closed out his his

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Speaker 1: national media or his I guess it would be his

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Speaker 1: national media with talking about a crystal ball and my

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Speaker 1: good front. Vince his dad. Whenever you asked a question

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01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: that was really unanswerable because to pertained the future, he

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: would always come back with, sorry, my crystal balls at

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Speaker 1: the cleaners. And I think if a draft at his

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Speaker 1: crystal balls at the would have come with real panash,

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Speaker 1: real power, that would uh probably let's do the news,

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Speaker 1: John Johnson. Um, you know reportedly will be released um

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Speaker 1: by confirmed by AB. So that's that's where that's going

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Speaker 1: to go. In terms of the timing of it, um

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Speaker 1: it he ended up becoming redundant with delpot like they

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Speaker 1: ended up being the same player. Um. And it is

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Speaker 1: something that we talked about when you're doing your ten

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Speaker 1: things in terms of a need of a true center

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Speaker 1: field safety. Got to have that now. Um. There's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk with Jesse Bates. Not sure if

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Speaker 1: that's a fit or if that's something from a financial

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01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: standboy that makes it work, but you have to have

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Speaker 1: that now. Is something that is also not on the roster. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a new hole. And that's why I was on

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Speaker 1: our top ten things. You could kind of see the

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01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: writing on the wall, you know, if he gets cut

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01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: and maybe did not say exactly if you know, they're

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01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: still open to trade him. Obviously, if somebody wants them,

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01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: they can release him. They can release him post June first,

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01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: which basically just kicks it forward and saves nine million

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01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: dollars on this year's cap. So there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways to go about that for the Browns, and

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01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: we'll see what direction they ultimately choose to take. But yeah,

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01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: it creates another need, certainly in your starting lineup. The

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01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: fact is what we're talking about with the speed receiver,

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01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: that's in some ways a luxury, right and you could

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01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: go into the season next year your starting offense is

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Speaker 1: fully intact. Yes, you know, David Bell, you hope progresses

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01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: in year two as a slot. We saw you know,

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01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: jackiem Grant will be healthy. You got a little juice

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01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: from Jalen Darden. Maybe he's somebody that can, you know,

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01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: do some of that vertical stuff for you. But you're

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Speaker 1: pretty much good in your starting lineup on offense. Defensively though,

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Speaker 1: right now, you have one for sure starter on your

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01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: defensive line. You have one for sure starter at linebacker

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01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: and Jay okay, I mean Jacob Phillips. It's hard at

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01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: this point, unfortunately, to count on that Tony Fields flashed

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Speaker 1: a little bit for you. Yeah, I mean that's what

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01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: we talked about with AB, Like you're you're at a

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Speaker 1: point with some of these guys where whether it's injury

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01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: or lack of productor or whatever, where it is now

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Speaker 1: go or can you even in terms of counting on

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Speaker 1: them right now go as in go b who we

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Speaker 1: drafted you to be or we right now we got

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Speaker 1: to move off of it. We got to you gotta

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Speaker 1: find something else as a solution. And I think one

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Speaker 1: thing with you know, and this was very easy to

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Speaker 1: see coming with the John Johnson news, but like as

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Speaker 1: you were in the middle of doing you start to

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Speaker 1: think about all the things that we don't have defensively,

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Speaker 1: It's ended up get to be a pretty long list. Well,

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01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: you need three starters on the defensive line, and it's

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Speaker 1: potential that you know one or one maybe two could

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Speaker 1: come internally, but you need three starters on the defensive line.

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Speaker 1: You need probably a starter or two at linebacker, and

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Speaker 1: now you need a starter at safety, and you probably

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Speaker 1: need a backup slot corner. So I mean, you have

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Speaker 1: significant needs on the defensive side of the ball. There's

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Yea. Offensively, I said, you're in

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01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: a pretty good spot. What we want to add to

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01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: the offense is in many ways, it's a luxury, and

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01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: it's a luxury that I think it's an enhancer much

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01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: the way that like Alpass Store is phenomenal. But when

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01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: you have the Alpass store with the sliced pineapples, that

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Speaker 1: that's what that's what you get, you know, And that's

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Speaker 1: what I think our speed receivers. He's that nice spit

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Speaker 1: roasted pineapple. It's the difference between, like I guess, the

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Speaker 1: way I would that I think of it is all

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Speaker 1: of the things that are on defense are minimum requirements

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Speaker 1: right in order to feel defense right now. Yes, the

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Speaker 1: speed receiver to me is the difference between being a

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Speaker 1: playoff team or being a team that can win the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I don't know that our offense is currently

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Speaker 1: constructed as one that's dynamic enough to win the super Bowl. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And so that's to me what I think when I

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Speaker 1: think of speed receiver, I think we have got to

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Speaker 1: have a home run hitter on that side of the

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Speaker 1: ball vertically horizontally both Um, we need that guy. So

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Speaker 1: but all the other things are just if you without this,

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Speaker 1: you're not a playoff team, so you're got to do

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Speaker 1: all these things just to be a playoff team. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's the baby step, and then the big step

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01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: is this is like the thing that would unlock you

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Speaker 1: to be able to contend with Kansas City and you know,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals and the Bills and those type of teams. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why it is. As we've talked about, it is

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Speaker 1: an interesting offseason and there is a new challenge that

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Speaker 1: they've never confronted for. They're going to stick to their

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Speaker 1: process and yes, they can act as though you know,

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Speaker 1: it is the same as it's been every year, but

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Speaker 1: it's not. You have a quarterback right now with a

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Speaker 1: fifty three million dollar capit, which would be the largest

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Speaker 1: NFL history. Again, that will be restructured, but it's just

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Speaker 1: a totally different scenario now in terms of you can't

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Speaker 1: have it all. You are going to have to make

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Speaker 1: choices on your roster. And I think where the Browns

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Speaker 1: made choices in the past. You know this last year,

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Speaker 1: the defensive tackle decision was one they made on purpose

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Speaker 1: and linebacker due to injury, it just didn't work out yea.

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Speaker 1: And then some in the case of defense tackle just

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Speaker 1: due to lack of talent and production. It didn't work out,

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Speaker 1: and that magnified and exacerbated what happened at the second

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Speaker 1: level with the linebackers. And then you end up with

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Speaker 1: your two safeties being your top tacklers, which is not

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Speaker 1: the situation you wanted to be in. You didn't really

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Speaker 1: have a true center fielder back there. Uh, you didn't

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Speaker 1: have really a ball hawk. Grant showed that over the

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Speaker 1: second half of the season that maybe he can become,

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Speaker 1: you know, a ball hawk, but he's still had his

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Speaker 1: best closer to the line of scrimmage. He can play

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Speaker 1: the post, but you like him split safety looks, but

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 1: you'd like him closer to the line of scrimmage. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a there is a lot of work to be done,

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01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: and Jim Schwartz is stepping into a situation that is

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01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: more of the challenge on the two sides of the ball.

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01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: The bigger challenge lies certainly on the defensive side in

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01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 1: terms of roster construction and what needs to be added.

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01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: And the work has been been done. I mean they

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01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: didn't know all these things, you know, they've so um,

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01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of this stuff is starting to

1443
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: stack and you're you'll see where it goes. And the

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01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: new league years in the middle of March, so you

1445
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: have some organization that needs to be done there. And

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01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: then you got to hit on some of these picks.

1447
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 1: So that's all that it is. I think that is

1448
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: so important that you've got to hit on your picks.

1449
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: You've got a hit on your second round pick has

1450
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: got to be someone of consequence. And perhaps there is

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01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: a trade that the Browns can make from one of

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01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: their players that maybe we would be surprised to see

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01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: go that could bring back a second round pick. Yeah,

1454
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: and then you have an opportunity right there to get

1455
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 1: two critical pieces, one on either side of the ball,

1456
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: or maybe even two on the defensive line that all

1457
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden fundamentally change how this team looks. You know,

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01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: we have heard so much about this draft, and you know,

1459
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: we've talked to people going around and they do think

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01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: it's a good edge draft, big need for the Browns.

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01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: They think it's a great running back draft, not a

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01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: need for the Brownie. Yes from Adam Schefter three minutes ago. Verified,

1463
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: gimme verified, Verified, just have to do with us, Yes,

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01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: A Darrell Rievas, Joe Klecko, Joe Thomas, Special Jets Browns

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01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: kick off the twenty twenty three preseason Thursday night at

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01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame Game No Doubt in Canton. You

1467
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: know what that means, everybody, all the players on the

1468
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: Browns are bummed out because they got to starting early,

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01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: start a week earlier than everybody else. So when's that start?

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Speaker 1: Like January fourth? Live from training camp for US? Yeah, basically,

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01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: can I seven? Can I? Can? I just say that

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01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: a lie for seventh? Give a You came onto the

1473
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: program there with a breath when you said and I

1474
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: even stopped and said verified, And I think thought, I

1475
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: know you did, And I thought, oh my god, are

1476
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: we going to get a big is this big trade?

1477
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean went you know, I thought something big was happening.

1478
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: Everybody was just on and yes and and then all

1479
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: see there was something big. I thought, you yeah, I

1480
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: thought you were. It is big. It's worthy of it,

1481
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 1: it's worthy of you turning the mic on for sure,

1482
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: it is, but it is it was that was probably

1483
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: pretty projectable, yeah, yea yea. My fear. My fear was

1484
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: that we just had all of the luminaries and then

1485
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: like somehow we've pulled off a trade for well. I

1486
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: feel like that'll come later this week. Could I do

1487
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: have some breaking news out of Jade? Jade McCrae, one

1488
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 1: of the great program treat ourselves to an incredible meal

1489
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: at Nesso while you're an Indie said that sending Italian

1490
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: exceptional wine list. Uh, where is ANESSO? I don't know.

1491
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: We'll have to look O. We'll have to get it

1492
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: on the old. Proximity of that is always the key,

1493
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: because if it's in any sort of suburb, then you're

1494
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: talking about an hour and forty five minutes. Yeah, maybe three,

1495
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: You know that. I once had a guy tell me

1496
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: that Fort Wayne was a suburb of Indianapolis, and I

1497
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: laughed at it. And now I don't know it right

1498
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: down here point four miles. So it is. It is

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01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: downtown in our mix. It's in our mix. Can we

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01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,839
Speaker 1: burn it? We could burn it there, yeah, no doubt.

1501
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: How about the joy on the Birds last night? Oh man? Yeah,

1502
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about what a great night you

1503
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: and I had just hanging out taltastic life. It was

1504
01:13:55,200 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 1: Joyce Gibbe was there, okay, thanks in the holding court

1505
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: though opposite us the entire night you were, you were

1506
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: on opposite into the table as if if as if

1507
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: you were trying like we're too good for us. That

1508
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: is not true. That is beyond not true. There was

1509
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: something we came across in your scouting report that said

1510
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: that you fear the bird and do not want to

1511
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: get on one. Where does this come from? Why is this?

1512
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: Why is this in the scouting report? The last time

1513
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: I got on a bird, it was with you and

1514
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: we were like no, no, no no, no that I would

1515
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: pay to seat you want to boost the twitter? It

1516
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: was not comfortable on the bird. No, I was not comfortable.

1517
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: We were going down a street there, I'm like, oh sweet,

1518
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: there's no one here. I started to getting a little spee,

1519
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: start to getting little speed. Here comes a car whipping

1520
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: around the corner like forty and I was like, Noah's yeah,

1521
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: I will say on the bird like it can escalate quick.

1522
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 1: If you're going to be a city that has birds,

1523
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: then you need to have a dedicated bike lane or

1524
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: bird lane, because what happened, what's happening around here is

1525
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: there's really no safe venue for you to ride the bird,

1526
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: and every streets one way and every streets you can

1527
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: get caught you really burden upstream. Yeah, you can get

1528
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: which we did. I mean I was gonna say that

1529
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: out loud, but yes we did. Um. And so then

1530
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: is it better to go upstream a little salmon upstream,

1531
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: or to go sidewalk, which is you know, pretty hated,

1532
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so that's the tricky part of it. Yeah,

1533
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: we had a great night, some great tacos. We ran

1534
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: back tacos for lunch. We had taco. This place is

1535
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: going to change the whole lunch game. It's right where

1536
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: our sushi spot used to be. Yeah, great spot was.

1537
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: I wish it was sushi because we've had nada. But

1538
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: as is on the record, if I could have one cuisine,

1539
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 1: I would I originally picked Mexicans, so I I will

1540
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: just pick a different fair tomorrow. Yeah it was the same.

1541
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go shrimp tomorrow. I'm The bowl was a delight, Yeah,

1542
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: and the the shrimp tacos were delicious. Yeah, absolutely delicious. So

1543
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: that's where you are. Um. Tomorrow, we'll have coach to

1544
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: Fanski and and we'll see what that goes with that.

1545
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: In terms of our our business of the day, I

1546
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,839
Speaker 1: thought one thing that was really illuminating and in regard

1547
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: to player acquisition via draft. The comments from ab when

1548
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: when we asked him, like that number surprised me. How

1549
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: low the combine is like five percent? But really, guys,

1550
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: they've done homework on who aren't medicals. Two percent of

1551
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: their evaluation is the combine. So what the combine is, folks,

1552
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: is where business gets done. Yes, that that's really the

1553
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: value of the combine. And there's business things that you

1554
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: can find out good or bad about a players, either

1555
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: makeup or there. In other cases they're medicals that change

1556
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: your eval and what you know ultimately shakes out. But yeah,

1557
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: this is where business gets in. This is where free

1558
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: agency begins. This is where you learn about you know,

1559
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,839
Speaker 1: who the targets are going to be for certain teams,

1560
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: what the plans are going to be for certain teams,

1561
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: and and you know, information I think is the number

1562
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: one currency here. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's that's absolutely it.

1563
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: Do you have other breaking news giving I'm trying to

1564
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: figure out who this Andrew Lynde Gentleman is. Oh, he said,

1565
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: I know who he is. Do you want to have

1566
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 1: the conversation on the air or do he is it better?

1567
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: So he just tweeted out Eagles Seahawks. Tampa Bay previously

1568
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: announced the wear throwback uniforms in twenty twenty three. Sources

1569
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 1: have indicated the Browns, Broncos Colts are also getting alternative

1570
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: or throwback helmets. I will tell you this on on

1571
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: Andrew Lynde. I will tell you this on Andrew Lynde.

1572
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: And when it comes to Nike gear, yeah, dialed in.

1573
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: So I think there you could almost put that one

1574
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 1: into in the the bank. That means it's got alternate helmet.

1575
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: It's gotta be a or it could be just the

1576
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: one we wore last year with the white masks again

1577
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: because that was an alternate. I think it could be

1578
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: needs to become the standard agreed and eventually I think

1579
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: it will twenty five. But you know, you know someone

1580
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: who is fashioned forward in all ways, he's going to

1581
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: look at us coming up death. He's always got it

1582
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: dialed in. The Great Benjamin Albright will join us coming

1583
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: up next. He listen to Clean the Browns Daily on

1584
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: eight fifty YESPN Cleveland Live from the NFL Scouting Combine

1585
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. This is Cleveland Brown's Daily, brought to you

1586
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: by Bally Bett. Coming soon to Ohio. On eight fifty

1587
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: ESPN Cleveland. Well, all of that is true. We are

1588
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: here live at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, Bo

1589
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: and Z with you and a great friend of the program,

1590
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: NFL insider Benjamin Albright joining us of course of KOA

1591
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: in Denver. And boy, you had a year. Let's just

1592
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 1: start with your your Broncos and and and the you

1593
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: got new ownership, new quarterback, lots of drama to all

1594
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: of it. Um, when you're in the middle of all

1595
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 1: of that, how much of what was being talked about

1596
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: outside was was real? And how much of it was? Boy,

1597
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 1: that that didn't quite hit home right? Yeah, Well, first,

1598
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: great to see you guys. And it's been what three

1599
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: coaches I think since last Um, some of it's true,

1600
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 1: some of it's not. Like the all this Russell Wilson

1601
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 1: stuff that's coming out I've been told by. I mean,

1602
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,879
Speaker 1: I know somebody close russ I know Broncos side, Seattle side,

1603
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 1: that him walking in there demanding John you know the

1604
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: PP fire that's nonsense. But you know there was a

1605
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: hypothetical brought up after a season meeting and uh, and

1606
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: so there was you know that true, there was a

1607
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: power struggle there I mean Russell Wilson's Russell Wilson's ego,

1608
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, got the better of him.

1609
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: It got better than Seattle. I got the better of

1610
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: him Denver, and now Sean Payton is here and he's

1611
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: gonna have to choke that, put that down and get

1612
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: to work or else he's not gonna be in Denver

1613
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: after this year. So what did you make of that

1614
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: season for the Broncos and the Hacket experience was almost

1615
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: urban esque and it's incompetence? What did you make of that?

1616
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to be professional, but at the

1617
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: same time, bro, what what was I watching? Like? That

1618
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: was like the weirdest, wildest Week one the way Week

1619
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: one was the crowd is counting down the play clock, Like,

1620
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You had to hire a guy

1621
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: two weeks in to manage the play clock for you? Yeah,

1622
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: Like when when he was hired, I was a little skeptic, going, Okay,

1623
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: this guy didn't call plays the last him called plays

1624
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: and Blake Bortles. But he was fun. It was out here.

1625
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: I got to meet him out here. It was the

1626
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: first time I really connected with him, and he was

1627
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: fun to talk to. Some rooting for him. I'm like,

1628
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: all right, cool, this guy's cool. Like we're hanging out

1629
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: of prime, you know. And then this, you know, we

1630
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: get the training camp and I'm like, wow, you know,

1631
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: this looks okay, but this doesn't look like there's a

1632
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: lot of lack of experience here. I'm not. We get

1633
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: into the season called God, Oh dear God, and it

1634
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: just you're like, well, it can't get worse, and then

1635
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: it would. Yeah, And it was one of those things

1636
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: like I've I've never seen a season like that. I've

1637
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 1: been I've been around football for a long time. I've

1638
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: never seen something like that. It was gross in competence, mismanagement,

1639
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: egos running wild, and it all culminated then we're gonna

1640
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: fire hack until after the season. It all culminated on Christmas,

1641
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: where you've got an offensive line to finally quit blocking

1642
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: for us, wouldn't pick him up after he got sacked.

1643
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: The backup quarterbacks lighting into the offensive line on the sideline,

1644
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: and then there's a fight between the offensive line and

1645
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback who was just trying to and at

1646
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: that point he lost control. Side like, I didn't do

1647
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: anything to any of them. The defense didn't play in

1648
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: that game and the defense Chris Baker Mayfield looked like, yeah, yeah,

1649
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback alive. It was, you know, I was like,

1650
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: can we get that guy? It was? It was Yeah.

1651
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,879
Speaker 1: It was just a horrible season for the Denver Broncos

1652
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: and and kind of um, you know, in looking at that,

1653
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: I guess it shaped what this thing was going to

1654
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: be going forward because the massive amounts of inexperience that

1655
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: were there. Now you bring in Sean Payton, Vans Joseph,

1656
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: there's there's plenty of experience on the staff. Now that's

1657
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: that's here. It's almost like a worth it wasted year

1658
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: to get Sean Payton. Oh yeah, and I think you can.

1659
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: I think you can. You know, and I know that

1660
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: from your reporting he wasn't necessarily the first, but it

1661
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: might end up being the I mean, I'm guessing right

1662
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: now it feels like the best. Yeah. I mean they

1663
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: were after Jim Harball, that was the guy. It was

1664
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: gonna be hardball. And then you know how hardball is.

1665
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: You know, they're like, well, we want to go through

1666
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: the process, and Jim Harball say, well, wait a minute,

1667
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm Jim Harball. There's no process. I'm the guy or

1668
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm not the guy, and so he's like, well, I'm

1669
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 1: going back to Michigan. Then well they go through the

1670
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: interview process and Demiko Ryan's has a knock it out

1671
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: of the park interview and they sort of get into

1672
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: it with him like you're gonna be the guy, this,

1673
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: that and the other. He's okay, cool. Yeah, he starts

1674
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: telling people in San Francisco, we're getting this band together.

1675
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to Denver. And then the Broncos inexplicably

1676
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Speaker 1: fly out on a Monday to Michigan to try to

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Speaker 1: record Jim Harball and it gets out and Demiko is,

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01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: you know, throwing expletives at the Broncos and uh, and

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01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: then he decides that he's gonna he's gonna go to

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Speaker 1: Houston instead. So the Broncos kind of like circle around

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01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: back to so John Payton, we started here, right, and

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01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: that's where it ends up. And and you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty happy with the staff they've assembled. I

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01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 1: think it's a decent staff. Bringing ed brack Van's Joseph,

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Speaker 1: I think the fans is kind of a head scratcher,

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01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: but he's he's a decent defensive coordinator. Um, I'm okay

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Speaker 1: with this staff. We'll see what they can do. It's

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01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: a it's a one year audition for Russell Wilson and Sehn.

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01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: Payton certainly has changed some of the culture m for

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01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: the media side the house a lot more difficult as

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01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: he has you know, closed fist on everything. So one

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Speaker 1: of the guys that I think a lot of Browns

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01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 1: fans are are dreaming about acquiring would be Jerry Judy.

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01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: It was he was available a year ago. Nothing happened there,

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01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: and now you think he's no longer available. I don't

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01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: believe he's available anymore. I think if any Broncos receiver

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01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: would available to be Courtland Sudden. Um, I don't. I

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01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: don't believe that he is now. Last year, before the

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01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 1: trade deadline, they were definitely shopping him. A matter of fact,

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01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: there was some sort of package deal they were trying

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01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: to do down to Miami to get Ghaseki and I

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01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: think something else back and that fell apart. They wound

1703
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: up because they needed Tyreek, Hill, Waddle and Judy right right.

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01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 1: They didn't have a slot covered right, um no, but

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01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: they wound up. What happened was when that fell apart

1706
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: and they traded chup of the draft pick, and then

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01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: they took Jerry Judy out of the slot and moved

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01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: him over to the X. And it was a career

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01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: revelation for for Jerry Joe. All of a sudden, the

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01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: light came on and he was lights out. And so

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01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 1: the best offer they had. I think the deadline last

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01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: year was the three and a six and Dallas two

1713
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: and five, two and four probably would have got it done,

1714
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: and nobody wanted to offer that. So now I don't

1715
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: think they trade him for a two and a four.

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01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: I think he's the guy, and I think they realized

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01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: now that he's over there at the X, that's that

1718
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: was his spot along. They hit him in the slot

1719
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: because they don't want to get pressed off the line,

1720
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 1: But when you think about it, putting him at the

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01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:58,560
Speaker 1: X allows him to create with those quick feet, and

1722
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: he's been able to create separation on his own. Like

1723
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: I said, it was a career revelation. That's right, number one. Yeah,

1724
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: he was the dude. Yeah, Henry Rudgs was over there

1725
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,799
Speaker 1: on the other side of the A on a receiving

1726
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: core that you know, might be the best that's ever

1727
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: been put together in college football um since last year,

1728
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: would we talk to you that ownership deal wasn't locked

1729
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 1: in at that point? You have it um stability now

1730
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: in the bront What has it been like? What are

1731
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: your impressions early here of the ownership out there? Now?

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01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 1: The new ownership, they're willing to spend. I mean they

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01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 1: want to they want to win. Their will to spend.

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01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: They spent four hundred thousand dollars putting new turf in

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01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: for the meaningless game in week seventeen or week eight

1736
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: through whatever it was against the Chargers, just just to

1737
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: have a new turf because the turf was shutting. So

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01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: they're they're willing to spend um. Sometimes that works out,

1739
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not. I mean it needs to be seen

1740
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: how metalsome they are, like the ship and hires a

1741
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 1: great pen or higher. But it remains to be seen

1742
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: how much they've got their fingers in there, because you

1743
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: could have an owner that's willing to spend and be

1744
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: a little too metalsome on Dan Snyder and you know,

1745
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff, and it doesn't work out

1746
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: for it. It It ends up creating bad culture. So right

1747
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 1: now it looks like it's head in the right direction.

1748
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they spent up on you know, new medical personnel,

1749
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: they all the injuries and stuff that they're they're trying. Um,

1750
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm impressed with the try. We'll see if that leads results. Absolutely,

1751
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: And for the Browns trying some new things as well,

1752
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator, a new special teams coordinator. What did

1753
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: you kind of think of those moves? Well, the Schwartz thing,

1754
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. Oh you know, I don't Jim

1755
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: for a few years, and he's he's gonna be fun.

1756
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:21,560
Speaker 1: I'll give you a lot of fun quotes. It's a

1757
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: it's a it's a good defense, a good style of defense. Um,

1758
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: you gotta get the right personnel in there. Obviously in

1759
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: the front floor will be big, big time and key

1760
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: to that as well as the corners. But I you know,

1761
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 1: I like to hire there. Um. As far as special teams,

1762
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: I didn't pay as much attention to Brown special teams

1763
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: last years, so I couldn't tell you that. You know,

1764
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: the difference is there, But overall, I think that's the

1765
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 1: right the right defensive coordinator. And you know, it looks

1766
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: like the offense sort of started heading the right direction

1767
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: at the end there. So uh, you know, well, we'll

1768
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 1: see if the Watson thing works out. Lord knows you're

1769
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: Cleveland economy as ten grand Richard for me for that.

1770
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: So that's right, a great ban of your word. You

1771
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: are a good man. Get you out of here on

1772
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: this one. Just big picture NFL quarterbacks everything right. So

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01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 1: Chicago's at the top the draft. They're working that. You've

1774
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: got the Rodgers thing in Green Bay. You got car

1775
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: floating out there as well. Is there an order that

1776
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:10,759
Speaker 1: those three things have to happen in or not for you? Well,

1777
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: the Rogers thing isn't interdependent on green Bay Green Bays.

1778
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 1: Excuse me? On Chicago at number one, Chicago's gonna drop

1779
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: from number one they are I think it's to Houston.

1780
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 1: I think they're just gonna lock that spot in to

1781
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 1: make sure they get Bryce Young and go from there.

1782
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: I believe personally the Chicago's gonna go back to two

1783
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 1: and then back again probably the like four wind up

1784
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: with Will Anderson still falling in their laps there and

1785
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: be the better for it. I think you're going to see,

1786
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: like you know, Caroline and Indie kind of try to

1787
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 1: get up. Stiken really likes c. J. Strout and Frank

1788
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: greg Les will Levis. You know, we'll see how that works.

1789
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 1: The big kind of question mark I think for everybody's

1790
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,640
Speaker 1: where does Anthony Richardson fit into all this? And you know,

1791
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: how how far does he? You know, how far does

1792
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: he drift back? And who snaps him up? But I

1793
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: do think you'll see two to three teams try to

1794
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 1: jockey up to one, two, three to get the quarterbacks,

1795
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: make sure they get the guys and the Bears luck

1796
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: out get in the Haull going backwards. As far as

1797
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: the other stuff goes, I mean, I know New York

1798
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: really wants Rogers, That's that's their top target. If they

1799
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 1: don't get him, Cars is next. If they don't get that,

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01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: Tannehill next on their wish list. So that's a bit

1801
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: of a spectrum of quarterback player. I guess um an

1802
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 1: interesting higher in making the offense the responsibility of Nathaniel

1803
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: Hackett and Todd Downings. But I'm told by math that

1804
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 1: two negatives make a positive self, right, if you multiply

1805
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 1: two negatives together, you do get a positive, always positive.

1806
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 1: When you see you by friend pleasures all on the

1807
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Speaker 1: side of the table. I think it's the great bitch

1808
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: of it all. It is You're exactly right. Certainly it's

1809
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: not on that side. So much more to Cob. You'll

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Speaker 1: listically the Roads Daily on fifty Yes mine from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is Cleveland Brown's Daily,

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Speaker 1: one here from over in Indianapolis at the NFL Scout Combine.

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Speaker 1: Always something, always something percolating. Oh I'm talking about that

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Speaker 1: level of insider. Always something percolating. Huge, always in the mix,

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Speaker 1: I just want to update people on our drive to

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Speaker 1: HAF tweeted out today in support of us. Hey, no,

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Speaker 1: I saw you did. How did that make you feel?

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Speaker 1: I mean I thought we were friends. I think I

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Speaker 1: don't understand this. So you're you thought you in the

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Speaker 1: half we're friends? Wow? Wow, Wow that's coming from Okay, no,

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Speaker 1: from the standpoint of you are anti Hoff doing that? No? No,

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Speaker 1: but like he took a shot at me because I

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Speaker 1: don't have you know, there's no there's no internet that's

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Speaker 1: worth a damn wow. That's also yeah, brown, I thought

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Speaker 1: we were friends. There's only one pose I have in

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Speaker 1: life and retirement. It is to prove give hay Ron

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Speaker 1: all out Browns Daily for pure joy, the hop he's

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Speaker 1: helped us out. Come on. We need you, folks, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we need you. We're forty thousand, five thousand to go.

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01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: We're up two thousand though in two days, and you

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Speaker 1: got to do all this by Friday. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: at that point I get the exclusive forsome the pro

1837
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Speaker 1: shop that's open with the courtesy swag bag ready to go. Yes,

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Speaker 1: all right, sure, that's where it's at. That's where we're at.

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Speaker 1: All right, We'll do this all again tomorrow and it

1840
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Speaker 1: will be pure joy. The next level is coming up

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Speaker 1: next day. One of the books at the NFL Scouting

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Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis. Thanks for listening body Cleveland's Daily fifty

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