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<v Speaker 1>We know it's parenting. Peter McNerney, Welcome back, Welcome back, kiddos, kids, parents,

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<v Speaker 1>Calm down, Calm down, guys, it's another weekend parenting. We

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<v Speaker 1>did it. Holy cow, how is everyone doing? I think

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<v Speaker 1>this month has been kind of crazy for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people because I don't know if we said this before,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have a shorter December this year in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the amount of weeks after Thanksgiving we have to

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<v Speaker 1>prepare for Christmas. That it feels true. I I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel a thousand percent underwater right now. The amount

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<v Speaker 1>of things I need to accomplish before we leave on

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday is over. You better get on it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>this whole month is like, it's not been bad, It's

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<v Speaker 1>just been a lot of little things where you're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't stop focusing on all these little things I

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<v Speaker 1>need to get done. Like I found this year more

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<v Speaker 1>than ever, I feel like as kind of a factor

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<v Speaker 1>of having kids is like the amount of people who

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<v Speaker 1>sort of work for me in some capacity or watch

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<v Speaker 1>my children, or like sort of helped me day to

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<v Speaker 1>day that I feel responsible for in terms of getting

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<v Speaker 1>a small token of my appreciation, which for me is

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<v Speaker 1>mostly cash. Um the the sheer number of people is

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<v Speaker 1>just crazy, and I feel, I feel honestly very grateful

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<v Speaker 1>that we have these people in our lives that make

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<v Speaker 1>our day to day life function pretty smoothly. And the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that we're in a year in our lives where

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<v Speaker 1>we have money to give them. I feel so grateful

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<v Speaker 1>for that. It's still a staggering amount of things to

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<v Speaker 1>think about in terms of preparation for the holidays. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like, okay, I need to say that much.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there's also this person and this person, and like

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<v Speaker 1>you're just I don't know, but I'm glad. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>very glad that like there's a number of people I

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<v Speaker 1>can just throw twenty bucks to or whatever amount that

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<v Speaker 1>feels on par with the amount of work they do

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<v Speaker 1>for us to day today and then feel like just

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I can do that for them and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a strain on us at this moment. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not That is not any more stressful than just getting

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<v Speaker 1>that done right. It's like, it's nice to know that

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<v Speaker 1>the stress is just getting it done in The stress

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<v Speaker 1>is not like tallying up meticulously the amount of money

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<v Speaker 1>we have available to expand on this You know like

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<v Speaker 1>it's one thing to have a checklist of things you

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<v Speaker 1>need to get through another where each item just you

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<v Speaker 1>need to weigh against all these other factors and can

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<v Speaker 1>we do this is the right things? Just do this,

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<v Speaker 1>do this, do this, do this? Yeah, because yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>just a lot of I can do it checklist. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get through it. I don't have room in my brain

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<v Speaker 1>right now for nuance, for big picture. I just need

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<v Speaker 1>to get through the stuff. It's gonna be. So it

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<v Speaker 1>feels I mean, I'm I'm stressed, but I'm happy, but

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<v Speaker 1>it does feel it feels like finals week. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was telling someone this week where I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of things to get done. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm pretty on top of them getting them all done.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm very eager to move into the portion of

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<v Speaker 1>the holidays where we all just drink. Yes, we all go,

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<v Speaker 1>and then most seasons I go, I can relax. So

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<v Speaker 1>I instantly get sick because my body is like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to pull through. Well, the good news

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<v Speaker 1>is we've all been coughing all month, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds terrible. I feel this week a very like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm annoyed at myself at the level of

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<v Speaker 1>guilt I feel about these coughs because more than one

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<v Speaker 1>person has made a comment. It's always some older woman

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<v Speaker 1>who is like, our children are coughing, and there's always

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<v Speaker 1>someone who asked to step in and be like, did

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<v Speaker 1>you realize your children are sick? Like? And it just

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<v Speaker 1>is very dramatic because it's like kids get these colds

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<v Speaker 1>and then the costs linger, and that's what happens, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's really not much you can do besides waited out,

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<v Speaker 1>keep the humidifiers on, rub eucalyptus oil on their feet,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like you do all these things and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a matter of time, and then you get these comments.

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<v Speaker 1>You really take these comments. I know it's so are

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<v Speaker 1>not too though, because it's like I feel for you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't understand it because I couldn't care less.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you don't. I just feel like are So.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a babysitter Saturday so we could go out

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<v Speaker 1>to a party for a holiday party, which we almost

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<v Speaker 1>never do. We went to an adult so we're letting loose.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like, We're I'm going to have two drinks tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're kind of We're like relaxing for like the

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<v Speaker 1>two hours of a six month period, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>get a text from our babysitter that was like, are

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<v Speaker 1>you aware of Brin's cough? Harsh and consistent cough? Is

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<v Speaker 1>harsh and consistent cough. And I'm sure she means perfectly well,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's trying. I think in her mind she's just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to appear concerned and she's trying to look like

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<v Speaker 1>she cares about our kids, and I think she does,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's I think the cough was genuinely, genuinely concerning

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<v Speaker 1>to her. Yeah, but it's also just like when you're

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<v Speaker 1>leaving your kids for like three hours on a Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, I know they have a cough. I

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<v Speaker 1>should break She texted me, and I showed you this text,

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<v Speaker 1>and it had an effect on you. I did not anticipate.

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<v Speaker 1>You shouldn't have shown me this. I I really regret

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<v Speaker 1>it because I saw it and I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like I'm gonna come home, and it did

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<v Speaker 1>not bother me in the slightest. Um well, because the

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<v Speaker 1>text was also in the context of us we sat

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of traffic to get to our friend's party,

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<v Speaker 1>and then by the time we got there, we were like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, we'll have to leave soon to get

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<v Speaker 1>back for When we told her so, we were like,

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<v Speaker 1>can you stay a little bit later? And she was

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<v Speaker 1>like fine, and then she actually she said absolutely, have fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And then she sends this text that is like, are

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<v Speaker 1>you where your children are? On death's door? With a cough?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you just out there partying the night away like that?

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<v Speaker 1>During this I'm illustrating this really terrible sounding cough. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's just a cough. I know. I I don't

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<v Speaker 1>um I she's a good babysitter, meant anything bad by it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think the timing of it is it's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying I'm having a rational response. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's okay. Your society has heavily conditioned me to

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<v Speaker 1>be hair trigger responsive to this kind of mom j

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<v Speaker 1>mom judgment. And it's like, and I don't even think

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<v Speaker 1>she's judgmental, but she it's because she's under her own

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<v Speaker 1>spell of feeling judgment for like being like, I'm responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for these children tonight. I have to look like a

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<v Speaker 1>care I have to like when we leave, she leaves

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<v Speaker 1>the door open to their bedroom, Like they're three and five.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't kept the door open while they're sleeping in years.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's like, we've never done that. Whatever. But she's

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, what's going on? Are they okay? Like she's

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<v Speaker 1>like very tuned in, and I know she means well,

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<v Speaker 1>and she concerned about the cops. Yeah, she worked them

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<v Speaker 1>to give the water. Which when you grew up, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>did you sleep with your door open? I think I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. Our kids always have the I

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<v Speaker 1>mean because we live we sleep right next to them.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the house I grew up when the

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<v Speaker 1>house when I grew up in similar to our current apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the walls feel like cardboard, like like the

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<v Speaker 1>doors are very thin, and it feels like even if

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<v Speaker 1>you shut the door, you're never quite alone. Yeah, do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? I mean, that's definitely why

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<v Speaker 1>we do it here. Yeah, because we're gonna wake them

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<v Speaker 1>up because we're right there. Um. So I went to

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<v Speaker 1>another birthday party. Pause for a second. Okay, I just

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<v Speaker 1>had a coughing attack which was which was intense, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have a cough trop in my mouth during this,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're welcome. I went to a birthday party. Brand

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<v Speaker 1>and I to a fifth birthday party from his old

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<v Speaker 1>daycare and pre k bus buddy. And how did I do? Beth?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that your question? Did all right? Go on? I

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<v Speaker 1>was a little more a little more social than the

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<v Speaker 1>last party, but not by much. I got in there

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, it was at the California Pizza Kitchen

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<v Speaker 1>all the which was a great simple birthday where they

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<v Speaker 1>bring out, you know, some dough and sauce, the kids

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<v Speaker 1>make their own pizzas and then they cook him in

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<v Speaker 1>and then then they eat them. And they addison the

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<v Speaker 1>corner or where the kids can run around, and I

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<v Speaker 1>said him picked this seat that was like in the corner.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just trying get out of people's way, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I got trapped as and became just like the

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<v Speaker 1>kid wrangler because I was the parent closest to everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and all the other parents were all moms. Um, we're

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<v Speaker 1>all fast friends and knew each other and chatted the

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<v Speaker 1>day away. And I was there and I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>ask somebody about something and the waiter came at that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I gave up and trying to be an adult

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<v Speaker 1>so when I said I did okay, what I meant

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<v Speaker 1>was I didn't do great, but Bernard had a lovely time. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>while you were doing that, I was trying to convince

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<v Speaker 1>Maven to get dressed so that we could go to

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<v Speaker 1>the nail salon, which she was very excited about. But

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<v Speaker 1>she took an hour and a half to get dressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting dressed is it's like a holiday. She Here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say about Mayben is that she is

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<v Speaker 1>such a taurust, which is I don't know what, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So two of my very close friends are tauruses, and

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<v Speaker 1>they love tactile pleasures like the experience of putting on

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<v Speaker 1>makeup or skincare, or like lotion or like massage, like

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. Like they're just sort of kind of

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<v Speaker 1>reveling in the moment of that experience that feed into

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you try to push, maybe to get dressed quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>she will exponentially get slower. Yeah, and she'll sort of

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<v Speaker 1>she and she's developed this method where she I think

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<v Speaker 1>you one day as a fun thing, laid her outfit

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<v Speaker 1>out for her as if it was like a mini

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<v Speaker 1>me on the ground. I want to get her excited

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<v Speaker 1>about putting it on and it worked. But now, but

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<v Speaker 1>now every time she gets dressed, she wants to lay

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<v Speaker 1>out her outfit as if it's a person on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>like like a talk figure, and it has to go

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<v Speaker 1>in a very specific order, with underwear on the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>and the socks, and she's meticulous and if you try

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<v Speaker 1>to take anything out of the drawer as a suggestion

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<v Speaker 1>of what she might add to the outfit for the day,

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<v Speaker 1>she freaks out. She's like, that's not what I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to pick. And she's like slowly picking this out. So

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<v Speaker 1>like Saturday was a Saturday or Sunday, So I was

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<v Speaker 1>like I was way less urgent about getting her out

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<v Speaker 1>the door because it's just like we're just going to

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<v Speaker 1>go for a walk and maybe get nails done or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's not I'm just like I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to force you, just like go get your clothes on. It.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she just kept getting sidetracked by so many things,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's so it's very funny because I have to

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<v Speaker 1>like basically best friends who are also touristic is and

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<v Speaker 1>they both have been diagnosed with a d h D,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is maybe like there's some connection there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think to sort of being like I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>relate to this, like it sounds like you have a

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<v Speaker 1>thorough data set data set. No, but like this is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what you actually love to talk about sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like attention blindness, which is like you I

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe maybe this is like you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>beyond just Toruss, but like a sort of creative type

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<v Speaker 1>of person or whatever, like a right brained person will

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes get in a mode we're the thing that we're

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<v Speaker 1>excited about in the moment, we're just so completely sucked in.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I mean? It's just like you,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very hard to perform a linear task. Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>she's really locked on to some idea and it makes

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<v Speaker 1>her totally blind to the simple thing you're asking her

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Right, we have to go and you have

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<v Speaker 1>to get her like excited about this. Yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 1>only read. You have to find where her attention is

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<v Speaker 1>in order to redirect it. But a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>it's a real mystery with Mayven. She's locked onto a

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<v Speaker 1>thing I cannot see. Yeah, whereas Brandon, I know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what he's thinking about. I was reading something about people

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<v Speaker 1>with a d h D. Maybe this was like a

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter threat or something. But someone was talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>like part of what gets them stuck in the AD

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<v Speaker 1>to B C D whatever process is like in order

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<v Speaker 1>to have an executive function and to sort of map

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<v Speaker 1>out a task in your mind, you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to sort of picture the beginning to end result

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<v Speaker 1>and like map out steps and sort of like you

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<v Speaker 1>have to get a big picture. And it's very hard

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes for people with a d h D to like

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<v Speaker 1>figure out that route so that they can like plan

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<v Speaker 1>a worse to hyper attached to the current moment. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like because they would like take out their craft supplies

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever and throw them on the table and then

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<v Speaker 1>sort of they just get stuck there staring at them

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<v Speaker 1>like sort of like what wait, what am I trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do? Like it's sort of like and and that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of makes sense to me. I've had that moment

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<v Speaker 1>with certain things, like with I guess with like newer

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<v Speaker 1>tasks where you're sort of like, wait, how do you like? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's I can relate to some of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas I've built this workflow that allows me to start

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<v Speaker 1>at any point and just start going. And this thing

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<v Speaker 1>leads to distance, leads to disting leads to this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have enough systems so that I don't totally

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<v Speaker 1>miss things, but it leads to certain moments where I

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly am like, oh my god, I need to do

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<v Speaker 1>that thing, and now I have almost no time. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's it's just it's not the most efficient

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<v Speaker 1>way to do it. And now that I'm saying out loud,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I should figure it out. See, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>do sometimes get stuck with this, but I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually really great at the big picture part when I

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<v Speaker 1>when I let myself go with it, when I let

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<v Speaker 1>me when I let myself take the time to plan

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<v Speaker 1>instead of trying to rush through. I like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually really great at the plan. I agree, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not a great communicating that any of it's happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll come home one day is suddenly a meticulous, extremely

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<v Speaker 1>complicated plan has been executed. I'm like, oh, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you've been thinking about this. Well, yeah, I get frustrated

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<v Speaker 1>because I have like a master plan that I've been

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<v Speaker 1>really thinking over and then you interject some thought that

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<v Speaker 1>presumes that I don't have a master plan, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because you never told me anything. Well, so I'm like cool,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like you think I haven't thought of that,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I didn't know you thought of any

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<v Speaker 1>of this because it takes so long to catch you up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like you you have no tolerance for catching

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<v Speaker 1>people up. Sometimes it's hard. You're doing better, it's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you. It is a detective trying to map

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<v Speaker 1>out a serial killer on the wall. That's how my

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<v Speaker 1>brain is attacking any issue at any time and free thumbtacks. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>get away from my board. I had this. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a moment in meeting years ago where like someone asked

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<v Speaker 1>me a question and then I paused for a second

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like thinking over like what the mechanics

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<v Speaker 1>of the question were, and then they were just there

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<v Speaker 1>immediately were like you don't like it. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>what they were like, you're mad, and it was just

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<v Speaker 1>like when there's like no, I'm just thinking, like like ever,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I was like, other people are just

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<v Speaker 1>reacting in the moment, and I was like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand that. Well, that's that's mavin you where there's she's

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<v Speaker 1>in a certain mode's processing. She's like and I just

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<v Speaker 1>let me get this right. But she doesn't show you that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like you're not there, and she wishes you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't there. But if I didn't know you, I might

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<v Speaker 1>be worried about this child, and said, I just I

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<v Speaker 1>just learned quicker that like, oh, okay, she's in this mode.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta get out of her way. It would be good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I know we don't realistically have the time

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<v Speaker 1>to do this all the time, but I think it

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<v Speaker 1>would be helpful if we let her plan her outfits

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<v Speaker 1>the night before. I've thought about I think it's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's a thing she cares about for whatever reason, this

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<v Speaker 1>is her passion. It's like she like she got dressed

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday and she put on on a tank top

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<v Speaker 1>for no reason in the middle of the winter, and

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<v Speaker 1>a skirt and pants and then mismatched socks, like she

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<v Speaker 1>purposely mismatched and she yeah, she was like having a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun with it. And then I was I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to take her to the nail salon. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was again after like a full hour and a

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<v Speaker 1>half of like coming it going, what's happening? And she

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<v Speaker 1>insisted on wearing a fleece vest over a tank top

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<v Speaker 1>so like nothing had sleeve and she refused to put

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<v Speaker 1>sleeves on, and then I said, and then I took

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<v Speaker 1>her to the nail salon. And then this is just

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<v Speaker 1>to reinforce my point from earlier about judgmental women, is

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<v Speaker 1>that at the nail salon, she insisted on taking off

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<v Speaker 1>her jacket, and then she insisted on also taking off

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<v Speaker 1>the fleece. So I'm like, so you're just in a

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<v Speaker 1>tank top in the middle of winter, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't have it any other way. And she and

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<v Speaker 1>this older woman at the nail salon was like her

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<v Speaker 1>cough and like like literally this woman like I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>she's sick, Like she like told me as if I

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<v Speaker 1>can't hear the cop and I was just like, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't my decision to put her in a tank

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<v Speaker 1>top in December, Like I don't like, but you were

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<v Speaker 1>the one who allowed it. It's so funny. I know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning when I get her ready for school,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't let her do those things. So I'm always like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta do this kind. You can pick but this kind.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can't remember the last time I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>pick whatever you want, and that's what you get. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a Saturday. I think they needed to day. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like just whatever tank top skirt day. It's a weird

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<v Speaker 1>kid's days. Let's go put on your costumes and let's

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<v Speaker 1>get our nails done. And now it's time for Did

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<v Speaker 1>you notice this is where we share thing we read.

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<v Speaker 1>We're thinking about Beth. Thank you? What do you got?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you? Peter Um Peter Longer, that's my name. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about this article from fatherly dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>It's by E J. Dixon and she wrote U sort

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<v Speaker 1>of response to It's an advice column. She wrote in

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<v Speaker 1>a response to a dad who says, my wife and

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<v Speaker 1>I recently had a baby. I'm I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to summarize it. He says. I'm involved, dad. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>is mostly great, except that my wife's postpartum body is

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<v Speaker 1>confusing me. I have so much respect for my wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah. And he says things like milk trips

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<v Speaker 1>out of her breasts and her body seems so animal.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an animal too. I get it, but also I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>My image of the human body is radically changed, and

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<v Speaker 1>her body is the place where that is manifesting, which

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<v Speaker 1>seems unfair. Um. He goes on to say, I'm attracted

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<v Speaker 1>to her still, but something's different now. She's some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of goddess, beast animal mother that my libido doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to respond to. I'm almost afraid to touch her,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think she's picking up on and wish. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of making her feel bad. It certainly makes me

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<v Speaker 1>feel awful because I'm also more in love with her

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<v Speaker 1>than ever. Blah blah blah. Anyway. Um. Their response to this,

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<v Speaker 1>which I liked, was sort of just like, hey, your

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<v Speaker 1>wife's going through a lot of ship with her own body.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she's not exactly attracted to you right now either,

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<v Speaker 1>And then this sort of like you're you have to

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<v Speaker 1>put your issues on hold right now, like not worry

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<v Speaker 1>about this. Why did you write that? And it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I mean the headline here, which I should

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<v Speaker 1>say on fatherly dot com is um, oh shoot, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I meant to take this from prepared the twitter, the tweet,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was just that attention men, your wife's post

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<v Speaker 1>part of body doesn't belong to you, and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>belong to your baby. It belongs to her, and the

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<v Speaker 1>sooner you realize that the better. Um no, ship, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes it's Here's the thing I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't blame men for their skewed, bizarro perspective of the

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<v Speaker 1>world because it is reinforced by literally all medias that

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<v Speaker 1>surrounds them and people and things. But like the like

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<v Speaker 1>we have all these movies, like we have like Father

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bride, we have movies where we see a

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<v Speaker 1>man experience pregnancy, And then what drives me literally insane

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<v Speaker 1>is that we have not You are literally insane because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm literally insane and I was diagnosed as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of the lack of representation in media. Uh my for it. Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I what drives me literally insane is that one I

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<v Speaker 1>get interrupted when I'm trying to But two is that

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<v Speaker 1>the like this very core human experience that women have,

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<v Speaker 1>who women who happen to be more than fifty of

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<v Speaker 1>the population and also responsible literally for the lives and

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<v Speaker 1>the existence of of the population, the story of how

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<v Speaker 1>that comes to be is literally never represented fully or

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<v Speaker 1>completely or interesting lee in media from their perspective in

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<v Speaker 1>any meaningful way. And then the representations we do get

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<v Speaker 1>of it are about and four men nine months is

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<v Speaker 1>not a perfect representati I'm talking. I'm talking exactly about

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<v Speaker 1>movies like Nine Months, where we explore the frustration of

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<v Speaker 1>a man watching a woman have this transformative, difficult experience.

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<v Speaker 1>We watch a man ask Tom Arnold about his experience,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're supposed to feel empathy for them and sympathy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just still stuck on that. Uh what what does

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<v Speaker 1>he think he's going to get out of this email?

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<v Speaker 1>This letter? He just wants some This is what men want.

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<v Speaker 1>They want someone to pat him on the head and

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<v Speaker 1>say it's okay, they're selfish. We want you to be selfish. No,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy wants to be congratulated for being self deprecating

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<v Speaker 1>because he goes, I feel so guilty about this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and like not guilty enough to like put your emotions

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<v Speaker 1>aside for one minute while your wife heals the gaping

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<v Speaker 1>wound in her uterus were a placenta detached from her

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<v Speaker 1>body while she created a human being. I gotta say

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<v Speaker 1>I did not have the experience of of of this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you love my squishy body. You're like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>so squishy. I guess there was something in a like

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, like, oh, there's a body has changed

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<v Speaker 1>because of this process. You were too overwhelmed with pride

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<v Speaker 1>of being a Yeah, I was just like I did this.

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<v Speaker 1>I did um um is it's it's I under fand

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<v Speaker 1>the fascination and it's really what are the way he

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<v Speaker 1>describes like this animalistic thing, and it's a reminder that

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<v Speaker 1>we're that we're not what society paints humans to be,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are truly animals, you know, And it is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of an indicator of of that. And he's grappling with,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, his own morality and his own like we're

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<v Speaker 1>just animals, you know, if I'm going to give him credit,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm giving them too much of right now. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think I can relate to that. But I found

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<v Speaker 1>that affirming life affirming and exciting because you were like,

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 1>we're all animals, Yes, nothing matters. I think if you

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<v Speaker 1>can watch a person come out of your wife's body

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<v Speaker 1>and then find a new, an interesting way of being

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 1>attracted to her, then you you're sort of more animal

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<v Speaker 1>than ever. You don't have to find I mean find

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<v Speaker 1>a way. Makes it sound like how do I figure

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<v Speaker 1>this now? No, but it does. I think you sort

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<v Speaker 1>of have to grapple. It's like this moment of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all dirt, you know, like you have to face

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>your own mortality and be like, she made a me,

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<v Speaker 1>she gave me another me. That's that's a woman. She

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<v Speaker 1>made a me. I am nothing and not neither I,

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>nor it nor her. Nothing is anything. Nothing matters. You

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 1>have to move through that. The concept of mattering is imaginary.

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<v Speaker 1>My penis is not so big and important as I

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 1>thought it be is to me. I'm mad at I'm

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>mad at me and my little pen And then he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Peter, hey, focus up. You've been talking to

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<v Speaker 1>yourself in the corner for twenty minutes. But why am

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<v Speaker 1>I here. You have to go pick up your kids.

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>You're a father, Now do something. I pay the bills,

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>pick up your kids, cook some food. I was telling.

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>So I went tonight to my sister, her company's holiday

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 1>party at her apartment and her she has a business

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>partner for her political consulting company. Who is this guy?

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 1>And he was there with his fiance and he did

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>he was doing something where he took ice out of

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>the freezer and then he went to put it back

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>in the freezer, but put it in like a totally

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>different place. And his fiancee was like, what are you doing?

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Why would you do it like that? And I was

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>like telling her that me and me and Jackie in

0:29:56.040 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 1>our book, there's no manual have February four. In the book,

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I we had a little sidebar where we gave a

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>definition for men tuition, which is just the opposite of intuition.

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of the mail. I'm not gonna argue

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 1>with that. It just takes us. It takes a second

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>to catch up every time. I'm too busy thinking about

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>a different thing than whatever the thing is I was

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 1>supposed to do. Uh. So we're holidays, We're gonna go

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 1>on a trip. Um so next week I don't know,

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what our episode will be. It's going

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>to be something weird, a typical um but that's not

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the point. But just be ready for that. Just but

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>we're getting on an airplane and I think this, unless

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>it snows a bunch, I think this will be the

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>just one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably we gotta well what

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you gotta charge up all the devices. It's a short flight,

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>will be okay, it's fine. They I'm excited to be

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 1>on a plane with Brian for a long time. And

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>do you know, like puzzles and word games and facts

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and figures, because that kid can lock in on that

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff and I love it. I'm literally never excited to

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>be on an airplane, but I am less dreading this

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>trip than every other trip we've taken with children. And

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 1>our last one was to Atlanta and we were in

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>that airport for like ten hours and it was not bad. Yeah,

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>we did pretty well. We can handle anything. We can

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>do it. One of my friends was taking her two

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>kids from New York to l A for the holidays

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>by herself, no other parents. She has a two and

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>a four year old. This is what my mom did

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 1>all over Europe by yourself. Yeah, your mom is like

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>your mom's like next level and her ability to just

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 1>like shrug things off, detached and go, we'll get there.

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 1>It's fine. Uh uh uh boot boot. It's the worst

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>cough and you wonder why the babies did their next

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 1>You guys right in with your cough remedies. We're literally dying.

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna not make it. Oh I was gonna say,

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>is that my little brother Sam and his new baby. Um,

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>you heard all about it if you've listened to the

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>podcast their baby announcement on the show. Um, they're bringing

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 1>their little baby, and they we didn't know if they're

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 1>going to come, and they are coming. They're putting that

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.479
<v Speaker 1>little guy in an airplane. And we need to get

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 1>read of these coughs so that we can squeeze that baby.

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 1>A perfect elf baby, he has like a little elf.

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>He's so cute. Um, I want to I want to

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 1>throw him around like a football, but not really, but metaphorically,

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I want to hold him Buttaphorically, I want to throw

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>him around like a football. He's so tired about Peter, don't.

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to, I'm saying metaphorically, I want to

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 1>throw him around like a football, like the old pigskin

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 1>wrong with men. Just I want to put him in

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>my pocket. This is toxic masculinity. Chest bump that baby metaphorically,

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>but to be clear, his sweet smelling little head. I mean, literally,

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm gonna do. But metaphorically, we're going to

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 1>get into the trenches. Metaphorically, we're gonna teach him how

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 1>to be manly. We're gonna kill some ship. We're metaphorically

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get into into the woods with a six

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>pack and and uh, you know, shoot things literally I'm

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna smell his baby head, hold those little onesie, You're

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna hold his little him and his little snuggling ones.

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I just picture you're in his room when no one

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>else is around, bling his drawers, just sniffing his onesies. Creepo.

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. I mean, last time we saw him,

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 1>he was like still I think he was still kind

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 1>of like sleeping off the billy ruben and he was

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>like just completely out of it. But this time he's

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.359
<v Speaker 1>going to be a little guy. Those eyes are gonna

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 1>be open, he's gonna be checking things out. Who knows

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 1>what he's like. It's a totally different person for the

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 1>last time. You know. It's crazy. You know, every you know,

0:34:56.560 --> 0:35:00.080
<v Speaker 1>three months or so, babies and little kids become a

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.839
<v Speaker 1>totally different kid. And then at a certain age, it's

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:04.879
<v Speaker 1>like every six months or two a different kid. Blah

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:08.720
<v Speaker 1>blah blah. They seem like, ol, here's a totally new person.

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 1>But when you go back and you watch videos of

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, Brin at four months old, you're like, oh,

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 1>that's Brin a hundred percent same kid. Always been that kid.

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:43.800
<v Speaker 1>This has been did you know? This next segment is

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 1>called Listeners want to Know is where we take questions

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 1>and comments from you guys. Alright, this email comes to

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 1>us from Mandy. Mandy. Hey, they're Beth and Peter. I've

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 1>been listening since episode one came out, and I finally

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>have a question about a parenting situation that you seem

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.720
<v Speaker 1>to have a life experience with. My kids are almost

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly two years apart, as in almost shared a birthday,

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.719
<v Speaker 1>but I missed it by three days. They're also both

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Leo's throwing that in there in case Beth further advice.

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:24.280
<v Speaker 1>That's signed related. Anyway, we have one bedroom for two kids.

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 1>My almost two and a half year old daughter is

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>still in her crib and uses a crib tent. It's wonderful.

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 1>She also got a twin bed in the room that

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 1>we lay and read on, and she knows it will

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>be her big kid bed when her five and a

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>half month old brother takes over the crib. She seems

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 1>pretty excited about it. Little brother sleeps in a pack

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 1>and play in my room, and eventually we're going to

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 1>need to introduce him to sleeping in the same room

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 1>as his sister. This is mostly out of sizing needs,

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 1>because he's going to outgrow the pack of place sooner

0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>rather than later. He's in twelve months clothes. He's in

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>twelve months clothes and a very tall baby. As of now,

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 1>they're both going to bed at seven pm mission wake

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>up around twelve hours later. I know we are extremely

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 1>luckily they both love sleeping. I don't tell many people

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 1>about it. Also, except the podcast, you just did tell

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>how many people? That's okay. Also, we have a never

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 1>We have never co slept and don't nurse, so there's

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>no special transition needed there. Since Brittain Maven are of

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>similar age difference, it sounds like they share a room.

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.839
<v Speaker 1>What did you guys do to make the transition work?

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Was it sort of kindness? Smooth? Um? When did you

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>do it age wise? I know kids have shared bedrooms

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 1>for millennia and it's obviously doable, but I'd like to

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 1>hear how it went for you and the kids. This

0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>is a bit long, but I appreciate any insight you

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:51.800
<v Speaker 1>may have. Your podcast certainly helped me through my second

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>pregnancy while I was also chasing around a toddler. Your

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 1>podcast will not help me through a third pregnancy, because

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:04.360
<v Speaker 1>that never ever, because that's never ever happening. Cheers Mandy

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 1>us too. Mandy us to, you're officially declaring it. I

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:15.399
<v Speaker 1>never ever again pregnancy. Done with it. I just don't

0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 1>want a kid that's so far age different from these two.

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty done with pregnancy. But why do you think

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the age difference is big? You and your brothers are

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 1>like four years apart. Uh? Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Let's let's not have this conversation here. You're so scared

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of this conversation that you brought up, Mandy, did I

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:47.799
<v Speaker 1>love it? Um? So, I was a little confused as

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to what her question is. She's asking, how do you

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>do the transition to putting the kids? Yeah, so the

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 1>four and a half month old is in the pack

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and play and her daughter is in the crib, So

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>how do you transition the daughter to the bed? Yeah?

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Exactly the situation we were in. I'm struggling to remember exactly.

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 1>But didn't we put this off for a long time?

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>May even slept with us for a long time. But

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 1>then there I feel like there was maybe like an

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:21.760
<v Speaker 1>attempt at this that didn't work. Maybe I'm just confusing

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 1>it with potty training. Brin's bed started as a mattress

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, yeah, with a guardrail, which I just

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 1>found a picture of and I forgot that was like,

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>that was a weird choice. Um, that's the choice of

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 1>first time parents, you know what, I think we just

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:44.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Bryn was twenty months old when May was born,

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 1>and how long did she sleep with us? I feel

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 1>like maybe a long time. I don't remember this six

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 1>months very much A blurred to me. It might have

0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:58.880
<v Speaker 1>been like six months. All I know is that I

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:02.560
<v Speaker 1>think when you have two, it's that age two and

0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 1>six months ash or whatever they're doing. Um wait, there's

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 1>this four and a half, four and a half months

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and two and a half years. Okay, okay, so similar.

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 1>So you do what do you have to do to survive?

0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 1>And if you don't transition them from one thing to

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.720
<v Speaker 1>another at the time you thought you would, it doesn't

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.359
<v Speaker 1>matter at all. I was just talking to my friend

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:32.959
<v Speaker 1>who was like she was saying how she was talking

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 1>to her mom. We were talking about like holiday traditions

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.920
<v Speaker 1>and how she was trying to remember her Hanukah traditions

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 1>growing up, and she had this kind of memory. But

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>she was also the youngest child and she was like,

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>I probably remember like a more organized version of this

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:52.879
<v Speaker 1>than what actually happened. So she was telling her mom, like,

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:57.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand how you had us all sitting down

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 1>to dinner every night for dinner and like all eating together,

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 1>because she my friend currently has two and a four

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.319
<v Speaker 1>year old, and she's like, it's just chaos. You just

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 1>like throw them food, you know what I mean. And

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:16.160
<v Speaker 1>her mom was like, oh, no, when your brothers were little,

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I definitely didn't have a dinner together. Like she's like,

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:26.960
<v Speaker 1>you're just remembering when we got through that, Like that's

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 1>so funny because I was thinking the exact same thing

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 1>because I remember every night and I'm sure this is

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>not true. Everyone sat down and we had dinner together,

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 1>and you you couldn't leave till everyone's done, you couldn't

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.320
<v Speaker 1>start until mom picked up her fork, and all these rules.

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:44.840
<v Speaker 1>But it's because I had two older brothers who could

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.279
<v Speaker 1>be good enough to sit still well. And that's what

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 1>my friend was saying about her Hanuka presence, because we

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:52.720
<v Speaker 1>were talking about like do you put the presents out

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:54.879
<v Speaker 1>where your kids could grab them, or do you hide

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>them all until Christmas morning? And she was saying her

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 1>mom laid them out, but like she was the youngest kid.

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 1>So the older kids would be like, do not touch

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 1>the presence. Were not allowed to touch the presence, and

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 1>she just believed that that was the rule. Yeah, you know,

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:12.440
<v Speaker 1>like well, it's like, remember, okay, we earlier relationship, our

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:14.720
<v Speaker 1>first big fight when I told you you weren't invited

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:16.839
<v Speaker 1>to Christmas because I was very certain that there were

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 1>very specific rules. And when I asked my brothers about it,

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 1>they were like no. But I asked my little brother.

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:26.359
<v Speaker 1>He was like, oh, yes, a hundred percent. Those are

0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the rules. And it's just like but it's also the

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 1>same thing brand. We got him an advent calendar and

0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 1>he immediately opened all the doors and I was so

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 1>upset by this, but it is older siblings are like,

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 1>here's the deal, you don't open these. Yeah, he's not

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 1>modeling that for his sister. He is, but he just

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:49.279
<v Speaker 1>makes up his own rules for her. He makes up

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>rules about everything. Yeah, because he's copying you to make

0:42:56.000 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 1>a rule. I know, new rule. Don't remind me alright,

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 1>So I think, Mandy, when it comes time whenever, that is,

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 1>if you want to follow our model, it was just

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 1>just do it. Just you put the baby in the

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.960
<v Speaker 1>crib and you go all right, it's it's the baby's

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.760
<v Speaker 1>now sleep in the bed, and then they will react

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:25.799
<v Speaker 1>in the way they react, which is different than the

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 1>way our kids reacted. Also, I will say, putting two

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 1>kids in the same bedroom, there was a period of

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<v Speaker 1>time that I've partially blocked out of my memory, which

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<v Speaker 1>was just kind of hell of trying to get them

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<v Speaker 1>booked to sleep, which kind of continues into today on

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<v Speaker 1>a less a lower key level. But like when you're

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<v Speaker 1>when you're trying to rock mayving to sleep, and Brin

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<v Speaker 1>would be like NonStop talking as a two year old,

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<v Speaker 1>all these things like it was just impossible, and you

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<v Speaker 1>just like you just resign yourself to the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>on any given day, any given bedtime, it's just going

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<v Speaker 1>to be hell. Any even Sunday, it's going to be hell. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, until it's not. Maybe it never is that

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like your kids are chill, it goes away.

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<v Speaker 1>It just every transition feels like a nightmare for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while, every transition is a nightmare. Every kiss begins. Um, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>So can I just say an incredibly spooky thing happened

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<v Speaker 1>and loud and scary before you came home. I was

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here working trying to catch up on things, got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work done, and then out of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 1>our sound system starts blaring radio Internet radio and in

0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:02.359
<v Speaker 1>the loudest level I have. I even knew our speakers were.

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:08.240
<v Speaker 1>It just turned on a radio station on our receiver.

0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:11.680
<v Speaker 1>And so I had my headphones in, and how can

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 1>you interpret the sign if you didn't pay attention to

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<v Speaker 1>what was being sent by the radio station, Because it

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>was I had my headphones in. It was so loud,

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<v Speaker 1>and I jumped up. I couldn't tell where it was

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<v Speaker 1>coming from. So I jumped up and I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>theoried off And it was like, nothing's happening, you idiot,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you mean? And I jumped up to the basics,

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.480
<v Speaker 1>that's what it sounded like to you. And I jumped

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<v Speaker 1>up to the speaker and realized it wasn't an Apple project,

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<v Speaker 1>it was this, And so I ripped our the door

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<v Speaker 1>off the thing. And it was so loud for so long,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was so scared. And then I turned it

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<v Speaker 1>off and I was like, how the hell did that happen?

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't know. Wow, that's my story. There's a ghost.

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 1>There was a ghost in the receiver. Um it was.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just like a random pop station. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>you ready for this last email of the night. This

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<v Speaker 1>is from Ashley Night Diapers and Toxic Masculinity. What a combo? Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>We knows I've been binging your pod for the last

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<v Speaker 1>few months and I've just caught up so I can

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<v Speaker 1>finally send you an email without you thinking why is

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 1>she writing about old shit? I don't. I won't go

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<v Speaker 1>on about how much I like the pod. So Beth

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<v Speaker 1>is an annoyed at Peter with Peter reading every week,

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<v Speaker 1>but knows that I really enjoy your woke yet realistic perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>Woke is in quotes. I'm a mom to a nine

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<v Speaker 1>year old and a five girl and a five year

0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:52.399
<v Speaker 1>old boy, and I have a few recommendations for you

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<v Speaker 1>listed with headings for Peter. Thank you. One night diapers.

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 1>My daughter sleeps like a rock and doesn't yet have

0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 1>the active hormones, so she still wets the bed. We

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<v Speaker 1>had a great success with the target brand Up and

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Up night diapers, so I highly recommend as a cheaper

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<v Speaker 1>and more absorbent alternative to Good Nights. Two non stereotypical

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 1>book reference with a male subject. My household loves the

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 1>book Big Mean Mike by Michelle Knudsen uh Um. It

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<v Speaker 1>challenges a few aspects of toxic masculinity and entertaining way

0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:38.880
<v Speaker 1>through a tough guy dog main character and his encounters

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:42.719
<v Speaker 1>with some cute fuzzy buddies. Opportunities to read in fun

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 1>character voices included enjoy your holidays, Ashley, that sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a cool book. I like that the sound of that.

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<v Speaker 1>We should get that. There's still type for Christmas. Um So,

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<v Speaker 1>Brin has a weird Britain now because I got all

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<v Speaker 1>these good nights. He has a weird attachment to his

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:11.439
<v Speaker 1>old pull ups, which were too small, and the first

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 1>time we got them, I was like, we've got a

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 1>fight about it. I'm like, put because you're leaking through

0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 1>the butever, and so now, in order to avoid putting

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<v Speaker 1>on the good nights, he sneaks off and he peas

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<v Speaker 1>in the toilet before bed, and then refuses to have

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<v Speaker 1>help getting dressed so that he can secretly find a

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:35.160
<v Speaker 1>pull up and put that on and then put his

0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 1>jammies on. And he thinks that if I see it,

0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna like be upset and make him change. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like he's getting ready for bed all by himself

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 1>and doesn't need me bugging him. It's perfect. And honestly,

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:50.800
<v Speaker 1>we have a whole box of pull ups that I

0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:55.839
<v Speaker 1>would rather just get rid of than waste. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>I solved that problem. Congratulations, thank you, and not in

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:07.759
<v Speaker 1>the way that I intended. Accidental good parenting, that's the net.

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<v Speaker 1>You know your book mentuition, and yeah, my books called mentuition,

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:15.319
<v Speaker 1>or it's called oops. Some of the things I did

0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 1>were good. Accidentally got kids, accidentally got kids, and not

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<v Speaker 1>all my decisions are disruptive, not disruptive, destructive or disruptive.

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<v Speaker 1>Men's men. Man inspiration is something else, all right? Do

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:43.160
<v Speaker 1>you think on that man inspiration means mands, mentuition, menstruation, menstruation, mandella. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you guys. Another episode of We Know His Parenting.

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