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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now, what is up everyone around the globe?

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Speaker 1: This Istradio Lab Autumnal Earnes This Bonanza Part two. Hello,

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Speaker 1: we are here to reflect and answer your call in

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Speaker 1: questions as earnestly as humanly possible.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking my chain out so that we are exactly matching.

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Speaker 2: That's a nice black shirt and gold chain.

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Speaker 1: That's really awesome. I love Wow.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's so amazing. Are you wearing an I Love

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Speaker 2: New York hat?

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing an I Love New York hat.

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Speaker 2: Someone is feeling homesick, boots.

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Speaker 1: I got it when I was at the airport, which

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Speaker 1: is where all the best shoppingpins.

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Speaker 2: Were. You just feeling so I love New York that

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Speaker 2: you needed and I love New York hat kind of,

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Speaker 2: I will say you know that I love New York logo.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things that you think is gonna

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Speaker 2: get old and it never does.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's something it's like so tacky that then it's

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Speaker 1: like there comes a time in your life when you

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Speaker 1: are like, I'm gonna try, I'm gonna try to pull

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Speaker 1: it off because it is so iconic and so cheesy

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Speaker 1: that you're like, it's like liking Bob Dylan or something

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Speaker 1: you're like, it's like a little on the nose. And

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Speaker 1: then but then sometimes when you can pull it off,

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Speaker 1: you can really pull it off. Because I did want

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Speaker 1: to think, like, I think it's so hacked when people

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Speaker 1: moved to LA from New York and wear like a

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Speaker 1: Yankees hat all the time. I'm like, it's never gonna

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Speaker 1: be my style. But I was like, I do want

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Speaker 1: something to be like, you know, I'm not, don't. I

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Speaker 1: lived in New York for a pretty long time.

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Speaker 2: And what says that more than a hat that says

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Speaker 2: I love New York that you bought at the airport.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so I'm having fun with it.

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Speaker 2: I have a here's my first of all ear I

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Speaker 2: love New York hat is and I think it will

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Speaker 2: never get old. That said, my huge prediction is that

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Speaker 2: we are really nearing the end of merch as fashion

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Speaker 2: in a way that is, it's going to come crashing

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Speaker 2: down in such a huge way. Don't you think, George,

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Speaker 2: you're scaring me. No, not yours, doesn't. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: love New York. It transcends merch, but I just mean, like.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean I know what you mean. Like merch

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Speaker 1: in general, that's like.

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Speaker 2: It's basically the A twenty four, Like it's like the

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Speaker 2: A twenty four merch industrial complex, like everything basically everything

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Speaker 2: being hype beast skaterwar that is gonna be over in

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Speaker 2: a matter of months.

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Speaker 1: That's so complicated because I actually like that stuff.

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Speaker 2: I do too. But here's the thing. You think it's

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Speaker 2: embarrassing now to looking back on skinny jeans and cardigans

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Speaker 2: and man buns. Can you imagine how embarrassing it will

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Speaker 2: be ten years to be looking at photos of grown

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Speaker 2: forty five year old men wearing head to toe ironic merch.

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Speaker 3: I do have this shirt I got at a thrift

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Speaker 3: store that has like it's like a little oversized and

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Speaker 3: has dolphins all over it, and it's like kind of

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Speaker 3: tied eye, but the tied eye is also dolphins. Well

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Speaker 3: that's never gonna I was wearing it recently and I

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Speaker 3: was like, what am I wearing?

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Speaker 1: Like? I was like, I look like someone who like

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Speaker 1: fell in the pool and had to like wear someone

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Speaker 1: else's clothes because a line a soaking wet.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's the new TikTok fashion trend is looking like

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Speaker 2: someone who fell into the pool and has to wear

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Speaker 2: someone else's clothes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wait, can I say something the way the way trend

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Speaker 2: language has evolved, And I don't mean language of particular trends.

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Speaker 2: I mean the language around trends is making me feel crazy.

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Speaker 2: How So like the idea that people say the demure trend. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know, we talked about this a little bit, but

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Speaker 2: like it's not a trend. It's just like that's like

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Speaker 2: it's a thing that any people are saying. But a

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Speaker 2: trend is different. A trend is a type of shoe

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Speaker 2: or like a or the way people wear their pants.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Internet is also like desperate to brand something

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Speaker 1: now they've seen that it's like successful, to like claim it.

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Speaker 1: Like I saw something that was like, you know, medieval

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Speaker 1: core is so popular right now. It's like no, it's

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Speaker 1: not like I'm sorry, but no, it's not like, yes,

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Speaker 1: you found six people who have done it, done a

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Speaker 1: TikTok about making a medieval style thing.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just that Chapel Roane did medieval for the VMA's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like people are desperate to brand in a way.

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Speaker 2: That I have to say. I'm saying this. I'm saying

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Speaker 2: this with nothing but love because you know, I feel

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Speaker 2: a connection to those whose job it is to churn

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Speaker 2: out content on the Internet. I have been there, you

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Speaker 2: have been there. At very point, we all have to

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Speaker 2: put in our hours. It's like your mandatory military service. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: at every point. You know, every member of our generation

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Speaker 2: to just churn out content slop as they say. Yes, However,

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Speaker 2: I saw something the other day and I did not

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Speaker 2: see who wrote it, so apologies if it's someone we know.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I saw something the other day that was about how

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Speaker 2: like the cowboy aesthetic is in, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: excuse me, we are not doing this again. We're pretending

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Speaker 2: that the cowboy aesthetic is something that is in or

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Speaker 2: out rather than just a fundamental part of American culture

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Speaker 2: that just like is always there. Like we did it

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Speaker 2: with Casey Muskraves and oh well it's yeeha summer. Then

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Speaker 2: we did it with you know, Cowboy Carter. Then before

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Speaker 2: that it was like the Chick like any if you

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Speaker 2: look up on the way back machine, like is cowboy trending?

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Speaker 2: It is always trending, is American culture?

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Speaker 1: I know. I think you're completely right. I think it's insane.

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Speaker 1: I think I love having this platform. I love having

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Speaker 1: a podcast where we just come on and like just complain.

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Speaker 1: Like I love that we can just sort of complain.

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Speaker 2: I am I have to say, I am in a

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Speaker 2: I'm in a complaining mood.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's luckily we have all these beautiful inspirings.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm delaying our call.

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Speaker 1: Don't ever apologize. I think I just think it's it's

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Speaker 1: fine that you're in a complaining mood, and I think

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Speaker 1: that okay. I think you'll pop out of it too.

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Speaker 2: All right, great, all right, first call, let's do it.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Sam and George, this is Heidi, longtime listener for

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Speaker 5: AT ten caller. I just wanted to jump in and

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Speaker 5: ask you guys since one of my favorite episodes is

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Speaker 5: the episode with you and Matt and Bowen from last Culturistas.

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Speaker 5: I thought I would ask a question about that and

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Speaker 5: that topic. On that episode, you guys talked about awkwardness

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Speaker 5: and randomness. So I am just wondering, kind of how

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Speaker 5: do you guys feel about the topic. What is it

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Speaker 5: two years later? I feel like it's relevant. I feel

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Speaker 5: like there's new new nuances that are coming of age

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Speaker 5: with you know, awkwardness and randomness, things that are different

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Speaker 5: than they once were, and some some things might still

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Speaker 5: be the same. So I was just wondering, do you

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Speaker 5: guys could tell me a little bit more about that

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Speaker 5: awkwardness and run the mess. I love you guys so much.

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Speaker 6: I'll be at your Chicago show.

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Speaker 5: Catch me in the Glamour Girl hat.

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Speaker 2: Wow fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Thanks Heidi?

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Speaker 2: What what? Yes? Thank you, Heidie, and thank you for

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Speaker 2: such a thoughtful question, because this is such a good

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Speaker 2: thing to check in on two years later.

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Speaker 1: One it's kind of crazy that it's been two years.

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Speaker 1: I feel like our searing discussion on randomness and awkwardness

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Speaker 1: is more relevant than ever. But I I've been thinking

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Speaker 1: about this a lot recently actually, because you know, we

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Speaker 1: talked about Blurg, we talk about I did a thing culture,

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Speaker 1: and that does feel at this stage in time like

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Speaker 1: it is gone. Like people don't do it sincerely anymore.

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Speaker 1: People do do it ironically. Yeah, And I'm like the

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Speaker 1: fact that it's it's becoming you know how how people

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Speaker 1: were saying yoas queen sincerely, then people were saying yas

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Speaker 1: queen ironically, and then even saying yas queen ironically died

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Speaker 1: and slay saying Slay ironically has almost died so hard

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Speaker 1: that it's almost back.

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Speaker 2: No. Actually, I just want to say that there are

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Speaker 2: certain things that feel defining in terms of my own aging,

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Speaker 2: and I think Slay dying a second time around Slay

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Speaker 2: this train and not follow trends anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what scares me about the present day

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Speaker 1: is I don't know what the I did. The thing

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Speaker 1: is I don't know what the this is. Like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm like a little bit like.

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Speaker 2: It's skipbitty skipbity toilet.

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Speaker 1: But even like I'm like, what am I going to

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Speaker 1: step in? What am I going to say that? Because

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Speaker 1: I won't be hyper aware of the ways that people

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Speaker 1: will ironically do later, Like will we be posting the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five version of like I did a thing

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Speaker 1: because we're like un self aware?

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Speaker 2: Now, I mean, if you don't think, if you don't

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Speaker 2: think that the way our extended community of gay comedy podcasters'

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Speaker 2: and maybe already is, and we're not aware of it totally,

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Speaker 2: but like for the next five years, like the sort

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Speaker 2: of like post Lena Dunnham one extra layer of self awareness,

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Speaker 2: but also like being aware of the concept of self

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Speaker 2: awareness and like talking openly about one's own neuroses but

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Speaker 2: being careful, but then having a million disclaimers about one's

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Speaker 2: own privilege and one's own quirks and being like, well,

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Speaker 2: everything I'm saying I don't really mean, but I sort

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Speaker 2: of kind of mean it. Like, if you don't think

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Speaker 2: the next generation of comedy, you are mistaken, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's so I think where we're at now

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Speaker 1: is we know that it's over, but we don't we're

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Speaker 1: scared of what's next, because yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Do, Yes, I do think in terms of okay, I

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Speaker 2: think awkwardness is more difficult to discuss. Randomness, I think

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Speaker 2: is I think what we're talking about in terms of

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Speaker 2: the TikTok trends, randomness is back in a big way

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Speaker 2: and the and I think a big part of it

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Speaker 2: is the beating the algorithm of it all. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 2: I think you actually just have to do something. It's

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Speaker 2: sort of like the legacy of BuzzFeed cooking videos. It's

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Speaker 2: like you have to do something random in order to

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Speaker 2: get seen. Yeah, and it actually can't be that you're

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Speaker 2: making a good point. It has to be random, like

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Speaker 2: it has to almost look uncanny Valley for people to

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of like old YouTube like yes, exactly,

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Speaker 1: it would be fun to see something edited crazy and

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Speaker 1: you would like laugh at it and be like, wow,

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Speaker 1: this is funny. And now even like transferred to TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even like I like Kareem a lot, but even

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Speaker 2: like Subway takes is like, Okay, say something random, go

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Speaker 2: and then because it's so because it's so unexpected or

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Speaker 2: and sometimes they're not, and you are just you're setting

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Speaker 2: He's setting everyone up for failure. It's just literally being like, Okay,

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Speaker 7: My name is Paul and I'm calling from Baltimore and Maryland.

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Speaker 7: Oh and yes, Stradio Lab is my favorite podcast. But

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Speaker 2: We're catching a flight to Baltimore, is what that's about?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you do. You're good at that. Damn. I mean, yeah, whatever,

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, it's not weird.

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Speaker 2: So I really grew up with James Bond. It was,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't keep up with them, but if

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Speaker 2: Wait, sorry, final thing. I love the I'm talking about

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00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: like the mythology of it all. I love the Bond songs,

439
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: like how it's always a big deal who's chosen to

440
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: do the song, and then how in the openings it's

441
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: always just like a bunch of nude figures of women

442
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: on fire.

443
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: It's gotta love it, you gotta love it.

444
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: And our tucks is attack you or not?

445
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: I think no. I think the only reason they're tacky

446
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: is they're like such a like wealth symbol. Yeah.

447
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: So Matthew said something recently that really blew my mind

448
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 2: about tuxes, which is I was like, you know, I

449
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: have my Joe's pub show coming up and I want

450
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: to do something special for it. And I was like,

451
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 2: what if. You know, I bought a tux for his

452
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: sister's wedding and I haven't worn it since. I was like,

453
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: what if as a sort of joke, I wore a

454
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Speaker 2: tux And Matthew was like, he goes. I just think

455
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: wearing a tux is the same thing as wearing a

456
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: tuxedo T shirt. And I was like, oh my god,

457
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: that is one of the most genius things I've ever

458
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: heard that It's like, oh, yes, the signifier of tucks

459
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: is so strong that no matter how good or bad

460
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: or sophisticated, the actual TuS is, you are wearing a

461
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: tux T shirt.

462
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Speaker 1: Wow. Unless it's like a care like Ike does his

463
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Speaker 1: show and a tux Yes, but he like.

464
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Speaker 2: I catched body the care Yes, And I would say

465
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: that is commenting on the tux t shirt.

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Speaker 1: Totally. Totally. That's so interesting.

467
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that really blew out.

468
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: That's a really smart point.

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Speaker 15: Okay, next call HI is George and Sam because of

470
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 15: this earnestness bonanza and because you are too sweet high cancers.

471
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Speaker 15: I'm just curious, when was the last time you cried?

472
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Speaker 4: Thank you?

473
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: Do you want me to go first? Because mine's easy?

474
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to think.

475
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 2: So this is a cop out, but the last time

476
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: I cried was when I was writing my vows before

477
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: my wedding and I cried. I cried while writing them,

478
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: then every single time I rehearsed them, and then when

479
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: it was actually time and I cried while like reading

480
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: them silently right before walking down the aisle, and I

481
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this is going to be

482
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: a disaster. I'm going to be like bawling my eyes out,

483
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 2: or it's going to look contrived whatever. And then when

484
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: it was time to actually say them, I was completely dry,

485
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: so much so that I was like, does this come

486
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: across as an authentic Like do people think I don't

487
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: feel these? And I don't. I guess what it was

488
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: is just that like the mix of adrenaline and whatever

489
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: else my body was producing was just so strong that

490
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't allowing me to actually produce tears. But I

491
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: was very confused by it because literally every time I

492
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: tried to read them, I would cry like violently, And

493
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 2: then when it came down to it, I was literally.

494
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: Fine, that's so funny. Yeah, I teared up at your wedding.

495
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if it counts, but I did tear up.

496
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: I think the last like sort of ugly like like

497
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: almost like vomiting cry was like I was driving to

498
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: one day and it was like the Thursday before I

499
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: was going back to New York to pack everything up,

500
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 1: and I was just like a some song came on

501
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: and I just like could not stop crying, and I

502
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: was like, ohugh, it hurt. Yeah, that whole weekend. I

503
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: was like, that was the moving weekend. I oh, when

504
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: it wells it really is like throwing up like it

505
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: like wells up, and you're like, I think I have

506
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: to do this right now. I yeah. When we finished

507
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: back in the apartment, I was also like really balling

508
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: my damn eyes out. Damn.

509
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: I'm like, I was looking through my recently watched movies

510
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: to see what movie made me cry, and I legitimately

511
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: can't find one. I mean, I'm now all the way

512
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: back to Madam.

513
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: Webb well An say we were bawling.

514
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: Of course, Oh okay, I mean this is embarrassing, but

515
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: I do think all of us strangers made me cry.

516
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: That was January twenty twenty four. Jesus whoa. Oh, and

517
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: this German movie A Fire really made me cry, And

518
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: I have to absolutely go ahead and smash that recommendation

519
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: button for the movie A Fire. I repeat, a Fire, run,

520
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: don't walk. And it is German, right, Yeah, it's German. Okay,

521
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: Next call cool, Next.

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Speaker 10: Call George, sam Hi, George, congrassol. I'm getting gay married,

523
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 10: so special, so sweet, so cool, et cetera. I'm calling

524
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 10: for a related reason.

525
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 14: But here's a silly, little twist.

526
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 10: As of last year, I'm gay divorced.

527
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 6: That's right.

528
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 10: We were together for eight years, married for five. We

529
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 10: finish our PhDs together and got faculty jobs at the

530
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 10: same university. Brilliant move on our part, turns out, although

531
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 10: not ideal, it's mostly fine working down the hall from

532
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 10: your literal ex husband. Anyways, my question is it's about him,

533
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 10: it's about dating. Also, I'm thirty six, if that's helpful,

534
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 10: I'm dating again, which has been a real lol. But

535
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 10: how do I kick divorce a out of my personality

536
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 10: because unfortunately, it feels very top of mind, especially when

537
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 10: someone is getting to know me asking about my life.

538
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 10: You know, the usual hinge chat turned first date convo.

539
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 10: But like saying the word divorced on a first date

540
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 10: kind of weird?

541
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Speaker 8: No?

542
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 6: Or is it hot?

543
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 10: But like in a fucked up way, I don't know.

544
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 10: It feels equally as strange to bring it up as

545
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 10: it does to not bring it up, and the reception

546
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 10: of this information is usually a mix of intrigue and

547
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 10: seemingly genuine compassion with a sprinkle of tell me everything

548
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 10: about your failed marriage, you dumbfagot thoughts on this? Should

549
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 10: I wait a certain amount of time before mentioning. Do

550
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 10: you think I'm getting an automatic demerit when I do mention?

551
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 10: Or is the demerit for simply getting divorced in and

552
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 10: of itself? Sincerely a gay divorce A not?

553
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 14: The word divorce is so funny?

554
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: Wow?

555
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: Sorry? But are they still giving out MacArthur Genius grants

556
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: or was it just justin Vivianmbond this year? Because I

557
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: have a nominee, I am ready to submit.

558
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: No, that was weird. I was like, wait, is this

559
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: a podcast?

560
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: Like?

561
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, you're doing what we do.

562
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: It's first of all, it was perfectly articulated, and then

563
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: the additional aside at the end, like after the call

564
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: is over, being like ugh that word.

565
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it was really well produced.

566
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: I would suck at your thoughts.

567
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean you can't hide from it, obviously, I think,

568
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: and it's better to be just like, yeah, I'm divorced

569
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be juicy, like that's okay. Though people

570
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: are gonna it's fun to have something juicy, and I

571
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: think you should lean into it and of course fetishize

572
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: it totally.

573
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 2: I have to say this is a boring response, but

574
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 2: I genuinely mean this when I say to me, it

575
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: would make no difference if I was dating and someone

576
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: was thirty six years old and divorced, Like I think

577
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: it of course is slightly more complicated if you have

578
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: kids or if you're like still living with your ex

579
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: or some like that. But like a gay guy who's

580
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: thirty six and divorced, like, yeah, we all have ex's.

581
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds really normal to me.

582
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: I think I'm trying to think what would be like,

583
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: For example, if you were if you were twenty one

584
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: in gay divorced, I would maybe be like a little

585
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: more like, what's going on there? Why did you feel

586
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: they need to get married at nineteen? But I really

587
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying about it being hot, but

588
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: I almost think it's so normal that it's barely fetishizable.

589
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: No, that's really true.

590
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: I really would not worry about it one second.

591
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't need to like say a bunch

592
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: about it, just be like, yeah, yeah, we were married

593
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: and our divorced. I think it's kind of cool. I

594
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: think it's kind of a cool thing where people will

595
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: be like, by.

596
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: The way, you're an academic too, and a gay divorce academic.

597
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: That is so classic. That is so classic.

598
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: Hello, paiging Woody Allen, Okay, love that.

599
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 4: Hi, George, this is Katie. I'm calling on behalf of

600
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: all the elves in LGBTQ. Plus, I've always appreciated your

601
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: reference you guys have for lesbians, and I just want

602
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: to hear you talk about them more. George, I know

603
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: you have like a lot of lesbian friends. Sam, why

604
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: don't you. I'm kidding, No, I'm kidding.

605
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 8: I actually don't know if that's true.

606
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, what do you think about I don't know

607
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: the relationship between gay men and lesbians? Is that gay're straight?

608
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 5: Yeah?

609
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 8: That's it? Ellie so much.

610
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: Bye, Okay, Sam has lesbian friends. Everyone needs to stop

611
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: accusing of of not having lesbian friends. That was so

612
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: funny though, it was really funny. I do like the question,

613
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: is the relationship between gay men and lesbians gay or straight?

614
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting question.

615
00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think?

616
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's I'm gonna go gay

617
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: me too.

618
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: It's a classic. I mean, it's classic retro across the aisle.

619
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: It is classic being in community with those that are

620
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: different from you. There's something so beautiful about like essentially

621
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: having something in common that actually makes you more different.

622
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: It's like the commonality is the same sex attraction, but

623
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: it actually, in fact, gay men have more in common

624
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: with straight women.

625
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: Like because they both like Matt.

626
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a it is a level of solidarity

627
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: you have to develop that actually takes some intellectual.

628
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: Work. And it's funny too. There's like there are cultural

629
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: differences of course, yeah, and you have to be like

630
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: like sometimes when you're like, well gay, you know, insert

631
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: gay joke here about our culture, and that's sort of like,

632
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: well does that apply, Like there's something where you have

633
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: to be like, there's like a translating element, yeah, and

634
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: vice versa.

635
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: I also think I want work on a theory that's

636
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: like first order gay stereotypes and second order gay stereotypes,

637
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: and the same for lesbians, because I think the first

638
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: order of gay male stereotypes, let's say, are okay, what

639
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: are they? It's like obsessed with sex like love's fashion, spears,

640
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: fashion like whatever. And then the second order is like,

641
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: for example, a very specific kind of neuroticism. It is

642
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: body dysmorphia, deep sadness, a deep sadness. It's like sort

643
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: of a using your own like intellect and literacy as

644
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: a defense mechanism, you know, And those second order stereotypes

645
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: are actually so interesting. And I think what often happens

646
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: is that gay men know the first order lesbian stereotypes,

647
00:33:51,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: which are you know, cargo pans, suba ru being and

648
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: like building things, lesbian bed death, all these things, and they,

649
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: you know, dumb gay guys. We'll see that, and then

650
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: it will like make them almost homophobic towards lesbians, and

651
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: it will turn them off from lesbians. But if but

652
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: all the second order lesbian stereotypes are actually are are like,

653
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: you know, an attention to community, being sober, curious, hot

654
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: luck culture, hot luck culture, and all of that, we

655
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: have so much to learn from. So I think there's

656
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Speaker 2: a there's historically been a laziness on the part of

657
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: gay guys, and I think a lot of this is

658
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: very much portrayed in media like Will and Grace, where

659
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: like when lesbians exist in Will and Grace, it's always

660
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: as a punchline m hm. And I think once we

661
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: go into the second order stereotypes, we can have some

662
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: real conversations.

663
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Speaker 1: Have I told you my theory that New York is

664
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Speaker 1: gay guy town in la is Lesbiantown.

665
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent.

666
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: Actually, like it's so interesting where I'm like, oh, this

667
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: is like a habitat where lesbians thrive and New York

668
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: is like a place where gay guys think they run

669
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: the literal government. Like yeah, it is such an interesting difference.

670
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: And it's like even the most straight, blonde yoga going

671
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: Chica in La actually is deep down to lesbian.

672
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a it's a lesbian town.

673
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: It's a lesbian town. It's a lesbian town, and you

674
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: like you.

675
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Speaker 1: To Wow, that was really good.

676
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: That was good. Okay, oh this is fun.

677
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Speaker 16: My last Christmas I saw George in line for a

678
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 16: Kiki and Herb show, and my question is whether he

679
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Speaker 16: prefers Peaky a Herb or trustin Vie and Bond. And

680
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Speaker 16: my second question they have are there any other New

681
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 16: York traditions that you both like doing, maybe like going

682
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Speaker 16: to every year?

683
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Speaker 2: So the part that I thought would be fun is

684
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: are there New York traditions we both like? I do

685
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: want to say this was submitted before just Vivia Bond

686
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Speaker 2: one of MacArthur's Genius grants, So shout out.

687
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Speaker 1: Wow, really ahead of the curve. Mine aren't like I'm

688
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: trying to think, like I I've only done this once

689
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: and I've probably talked about it on the podcast already.

690
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: But I went to the UH and I okay. So

691
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: I was listening to WTF with Mark marin shout out

692
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: and Sigourney Weaver was on That's why I was listening,

693
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: and she was talking about the train show in the

694
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Speaker 1: New York Botanical Gardens that they do for Christmas, and

695
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: she is like on the board or something, and she

696
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: was like, it's actually so fun and I love it

697
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: and I go every year, and I was like, this

698
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: actually sounds really up my alley. And I went to

699
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: the show the New York Botanical Gardens and I had

700
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: the best day of my entire life. It was like

701
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: they make like replicas of New York City with like

702
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: little twigs and like pine things and then little trains

703
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: go through it. I was like genuinely like moved. I

704
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: was like, this is so cute and fun. And so

705
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: actually last year, when I got this job and I

706
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: had to come out here very quickly, like the thing

707
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: I was, I was like so sad because it was

708
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: in December, and I was like, but I haven't gotten

709
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: to go to the Train show yet. Oh, and I'm

710
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: still like, you know, I We're going to Meesha's parents

711
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: for Christmas and they're in upstate New York, and I'm like,

712
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: maybe there's a way we can swing by and I

713
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: can get closure and go to the train show. Damn, Yeah,

714
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: I love that.

715
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: Well. I do actually like going to kikin Herb every year.

716
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: I mean, they hadn't done it in a very long

717
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: time until a couple of years ago, but then since then,

718
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: I've gone every year. I do really like going to

719
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: Matt Rogers's show. I think it's so much fun and

720
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: I know all the songs. At this point, I like

721
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: going to Lincoln Center as much as possible, whether that

722
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: means going to a movie there or going to well,

723
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: I was about to say the Ballet, but I honestly

724
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: have not been to the ballet. But I have been

725
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 2: doing an opera there around this time, and it feels

726
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: very festive. I do not to be the most basic

727
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: bitch on earth, but I do try to go see

728
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: the tree at Rockefeller Center at least one day during

729
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: the holiday season. You know, the Rockefeller restaurant scene has

730
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: been updated and Jenna Lyons was famously a consultant on

731
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: The Big on the Big Revamp. I didn't know that,

732
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: so we have heard a thank My favorite restaurant of

733
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: all of those, or one of my favorites is low Di,

734
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: which is sort of like across from there, and it's

735
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: very fun to go to and have a little martini.

736
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Speaker 1: And oh god, God, I miss New York.

737
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: I know, well, okay, here's something that is not good,

738
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: and yet every year I still go. It's so flop.

739
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: Which is the Union Square Christmas Market.

740
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Speaker 1: It's so flop.

741
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: It's so flop. But every year I'm like, oh, but

742
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: it's fun, like there's lights everywhere, and maybe I'll buy

743
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: a little something, you know, a little Christmas ornament. And

744
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: it's always flop.

745
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: It sucks. It puts me in a horrible mood. I

746
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: can't get that. Well, that was sweet.

747
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 2: That was sweet.

748
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Speaker 11: Okay, Hey, so I have a question. As a gay

749
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 11: I definitely have a close friends group on Instagram, and

750
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Speaker 11: it's mostly thought picks what a straight people have on

751
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 11: their close friends, because I keep having straight friends asking

752
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 11: me if they can be on my close friends and

753
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 11: they're definitely not trying to see my asks. So what

754
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 11: do you think that they have already. Thanks so much.

755
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Speaker 1: This is an amazing question. This is difficult because I

756
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: have no idea the only do you have an answer?

757
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is baby picks, it is food picks, it

758
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: is dentist recommendations, dermatologist recommendations.

759
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: It's a space to be like basic and boring. Yeah.

760
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: What I don't get is, like, what I've never understood

761
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: is the point of a close friends. If you're like

762
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Speaker 1: a normal person, like yes, if you have like one

763
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: hundred thousand followers, like sure, you'd need a place to

764
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: actually post for your friends. But if you have like

765
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: four hundred followers, it's like just post, where can I

766
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: get a dentist around here?

767
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: No, because you your mother in law could be following you,

768
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: your coworkers could be following you.

769
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Speaker 1: They just know that you need a dentist.

770
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Speaker 2: Okay, here's another one. I think even just like going

771
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: out footage. I think, let's say you work in a

772
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Speaker 2: more buttoned up environment, but you're going to the sweat tour.

773
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Speaker 2: You don't want, you know, Marla from accounting to see that.

774
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hmmm. And so maybe that is something a

775
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: little more. And I also think sometimes people just it's

776
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: almost like an alternative to a group chat, like they

777
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: just want something that's for like seven people.

778
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's true. Well I wish they would just

779
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: post their own ass pics. I agree, and then live

780
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: out loud for once.

781
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: I also want to say, Okay, I want to say

782
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: I should be There should be a menu, and I

783
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: should be able to opt into people's close friends. They

784
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: can accept me if they want, but like, I know

785
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: there are people out there who just haven't thought of

786
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: adding me in them.

787
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Speaker 1: It's also like, it's very the politics of a close

788
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: friends actually makes me so uncomfortable, and I like weekly

789
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: panic and be like, wait do I add these people?

790
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: Do I take out these people? Like? Are like friends

791
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: upset that they're not on my close friends because I

792
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: only use it to post underwear picks? Or are they

793
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: like happy that they're not. I'm like, this is I

794
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: don't want them to like have their feelings hurt, but

795
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: it's confusing.

796
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: One of the most iconic moments that we've had with

797
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: our dear friend Max Wittard is when he said something

798
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: about someone's close friends and then I was like, oh,

799
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm not on it, and then he just goes, yeah,

800
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: he probably doesn't want to fuck you, and then I

801
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: was like in a bad mood that day and truly

802
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: got offended and wouldn't speak to him for like three hours.

803
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: That is amazing.

804
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's good. Okay, Hello, Oh my.

805
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 12: God, this is so exciting.

806
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 13: I definitely called a first time and hung up because

807
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 13: I got nervous.

808
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 5: So this is my.

809
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Speaker 2: Second time trying to get hi.

810
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Speaker 13: My name is loved It, longtime listener of hard time lover,

811
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Speaker 13: and I have two questions for you guys to kind

812
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 13: of like service level appetizer question. So the first one,

813
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 13: I recently just started my first full time job as

814
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 13: a quiet teacher, and I have a really long comuth

815
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Speaker 13: and that's only come out with one so weak and

816
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 13: approximate issue PATRIOTSOS of Month. So I need more than

817
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 13: listen to you in the car. So what are your

818
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 13: artists and albums and music recommendations right now? When are

819
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 13: you guys listening to new or all the matters? And

820
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 13: then the second question is I've recently been kind of

821
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 13: addicted to making and eating soup, and so I want

822
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 13: to know what is your relationships to soup? Do you

823
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 13: eat a lot of it?

824
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 12: Do you make it?

825
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 13: You eat it up in hand and you eat it

826
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 13: grown up. They were kind. Okay, that's all I got.

827
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Speaker 13: Loved you guys in a very cool and normal way.

828
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 13: So you come to Kansas City. I'm desperate. You will

829
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 13: guaranteed to have one cool straight for all and his

830
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 13: boyfriend and the audience.

831
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Speaker 12: Okay, thank you buy?

832
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: Okay that call. I'm like, I'm in the holiday mood somehow.

833
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: No, I'm actually it's so comforting to hear people's voices.

834
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the openness and excitement and I it just

835
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: like really warmed my heart in a way that I

836
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: was not expecting.

837
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was nice. And in fact, I was like, wait, George,

838
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: we should do a show in Kansas City, Like.

839
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 2: There was something about it.

840
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: I was like, no, we have to. Okay, First of all,

841
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: I fucking hate soup. Whoa really soup pisses me off?

842
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: What about stew?

843
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: I love a stew? Oh?

844
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 2: Interesting? So you just don't like something overly watery?

845
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: Oh I don't want to drink. I want a meal.

846
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: You hate a cream based soup like a butternut squash

847
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: creamy soup.

848
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: That's the closest I can get.

849
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: But what about a French onion soup?

850
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever had it.

851
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: Actually, Oh my god, Sam, you would love it. It's

852
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: just onions and cheese. Mama.

853
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: How do you feel about soup?

854
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: I like soup. Soup is one of those things, almost

855
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: like sandwiches, where people get so into them that you're.

856
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: Like, oh, I like.

857
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: I like them in a normal way, like I do

858
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: like soup, but it's not like I'm crez Like as

859
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: soon as the temperature hits a certain temperature, I'm like,

860
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: oh God, like I'm coming because I'm thinking about soup.

861
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

862
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: In terms of my favorite soup, also, I have to

863
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: say I love having a soup as a course in

864
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: a dinner.

865
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

866
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: No, I like that. I like when it's like a

867
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: little side thing.

868
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also frankly liked little This is actually

869
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: a disagreement we had with Alice, or I had with

870
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 2: Alice in Roman when she was on because she hates

871
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: soup as part of a dinner party. But I'm like

872
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: a little shot glass with a little amuse bouche that

873
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 2: to me is partying.

874
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: I love your shot glass of soup idea. I think

875
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: it's amazing.

876
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: Do you like Gaspacho No, I ultimately don't really either.

877
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm always like, this is like almost salsa but not.

878
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's also like put some vodka in it, let's

879
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: get a bloody marriage.

880
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like it, and I wish I did.

881
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: Like it seems like something I would like, but I

882
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: don't like it.

883
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say, you know, if anyone out

884
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: there wants a supercommendation, there's a Greek soup called which

885
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: is a chick, very lemony chicken soup that often has

886
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: rice in it as well, so you can look that up.

887
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: What was the first part of the question Again.

888
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: It's just like what music we're listening to? And I

889
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: have to say, I'm just going to be completely honest here.

890
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: I am not in a huge music discovery phase right now.

891
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: So Sam, I'm gonna let you take charge.

892
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: Well, I'm in a similar position as this caller where

893
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm commuting. I'm finding myself commuting more and needing things

894
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: to listen to, and it is complicated. I'm I'm in

895
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: a way I'm like more open. I'm sort of in

896
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: a music exploration phase in a way that is like confusing,

897
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm not like going back and like being like,

898
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: let's listen to the discography of I don't know why

899
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: I keep referencing I'm like Bob Dylan Like, I'm like, no,

900
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm like for some reason, I'm like, oh, what's that

901
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: Toblo album that I never listened to from approximately three

902
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: years ago? Like, and I'll like listen to that. I'm

903
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: trying to like fill in like weird gaps. I've also,

904
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm more open to different podcasts, but it's

905
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: hard to because you really like fall in love with

906
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: the host and if you don't like get along with

907
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: them in your mind, it's like a bad mixture.

908
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: I have to say I've been I've been not prioritizing music,

909
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: and one of my maybe it's too early to make

910
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: yours resolutions, but one of my resolutions, I think is

911
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 2: to see more live music because it used to be

912
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: such a huge part of my life and I don't

913
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: go to shows anymore.

914
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: That's a good goal.

915
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: I recently discovered that Chico that everyone likes uh uh

916
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: nilufer Yanya. Yeah, am I saying that right?

917
00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 12: No? You?

918
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, but this is funny because people have

919
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: been talking about her and I have not listened to

920
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: the album yet, but I saw her on a billboard

921
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: in La and the name like I forgot if like

922
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: Mish and I had taken edible or something, but we

923
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: just kept saying like nieluf Yanya, like over and over

924
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: a yeah, And so I'm it's funny that she makes

925
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: She's like a real person that makes good music.

926
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the other person that I'm having Chapel

927
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: Roone syndrome, which is when Chaperone first, when that album

928
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: first came out, and I suddenly realized every single person

929
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: I know has been seemingly rooting for this girl for

930
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: ten years and I had never heard of her. And

931
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm having that effect with Liam Bensv. Who's that when

932
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: I tell you every single person we know has been

933
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: like posting up a storm about how incredible Liam Bensvy is.

934
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: To be clear, I have not pressed play on any

935
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: of this music, and I'm sure I would like it

936
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: because I have similar taste to these people. But I'm like,

937
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: where is everyone finding? Like I think I need to

938
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: switch up my media consumption when it comes to music.

939
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: I'm not finding the right things.

940
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's tough. It's a tough journey. I also

941
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: want to say, like I mentioned this, Christopher Owens, the

942
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: lead singer of Girls who makes solo music now the

943
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: person someone who does this pr reached out and sent

944
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: me his album early, and I'm loving it.

945
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that.

946
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: And then I'm I'm I think part of my journey

947
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: also is because LA doesn't have seasons. I'm like trying

948
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: to invent fall. Like right now, I am like listening

949
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: to Bonie Vere and being like, let's like create fall.

950
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: I need to feel I need to fake it a

951
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: little bit like listening to like Soufian albums, listening to

952
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like invent a mood.

953
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been listening to a lot of the Cranberries

954
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: and literally just pressing play on just like their Spotify

955
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 2: channel and being like, take me away.

956
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: That's fun. Oh, I'd have to say, did you listen

957
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: to the Gaga Harlequin album at all? No? I no,

958
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm not advocating for it at all, but I hit

959
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: play for like ten minutes and I am curious. It

960
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: was making me l O L. I was like, this

961
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: is the funniest thing I've ever heard, because it's just

962
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: like you got into a studio and you did this,

963
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: Like you know, sometimes we're doing a podcast and someone

964
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: has to like hit record, and we're like a little

965
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: bit embarrassed at the things that we say, while like

966
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: someone is just listening to us, and I'm like, how

967
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: did she not feel shame when like someone had to

968
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: hit record.

969
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: Here's something that's interesting about Joker. I sort of expected

970
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: it to either be a huge hit or like a

971
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: massive flop, and there's something happening where I actually think

972
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: in a shocking twist, it just is down the middle,

973
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: like it's sort of like, oh, this is awkward, moving on.

974
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: It's just boring.

975
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy crazy. Even the album, you would not call

976
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: it a flop. You would just call it like it

977
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 2: doesn't exist. It's like when Beyonce did the Lion King album.

978
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 2: Yeah it doesn't count as part of her discography.

979
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really bizarre.

980
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: Okay, next question.

981
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 12: Oh my god, how cool to talk to you directly.

982
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 17: Hi, gay guys. This is gay girl Amy from San Francisco.

983
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 17: I can't remember what I'm to say on this, but

984
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 17: I do think you're right when you talk about how

985
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 17: the Patreon is better than the podcast, although both are wonderful,

986
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 17: and I'm wondering if you should just go straight to

987
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 17: friends chatting. Bye.

988
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 15: I appreciate you.

989
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought this was juicy.

990
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: What was the question not to be The question was

991
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: like she.

992
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: Is like, should we go should the podcast become friends

993
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: just chatting, and should we abandon the guest format the

994
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: straight topic format. Oh, which obviously we're not doing that,

995
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: but it is like it's something I think about, Like

996
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: we do these Patreon episodes that are just us talking

997
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: and then often at the end we're so happy to

998
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 2: have gabbed for an hour and a half.

999
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is an interesting In the real episodes,

1000
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: I really value humor and trying to find something funny

1001
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: and like do a bit, and then the Patreon we

1002
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: like don't necessarily hunt for that laugh as hard, but

1003
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: in a way that you know, sometimes people like like

1004
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to put value on it because

1005
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I didn't try, I didn't think of anything.

1006
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: I was just chatting.

1007
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: It literally is not part of my comedy career. It

1008
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: is just me having a phone call with my friends.

1009
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's confusing, but yeah, sometimes we can do that.

1010
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 2: I think it's more comfortable because there's no pressure to it.

1011
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: And I also would I also want the podcast to

1012
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: be about something I think there's enough podcasts out there

1013
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: that are just people chatting. Yeah, but yeah, we go

1014
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: back and forth a lot about doing more episodes without guests,

1015
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 2: even just because it would make our lives easier, because

1016
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: booking guests takes time.

1017
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, podcast is one of the hardest jobs anyone

1018
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: can have.

1019
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: If not the hardest jobs.

1020
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 18: Okay, Hi, Sam and George Emily from Vermont calling in

1021
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 18: to plug the discord and also ask a question.

1022
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 4: So, if you have to pick.

1023
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 18: Another gay guy animal type, think in otter, think and bear.

1024
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 18: What animal would it be and what traits would it represents?

1025
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 18: Thank you and I'm excited to be calling in.

1026
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: Bye hmm, that's an amazing question. I want to talk process.

1027
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's.

1028
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: Two ways you could approach this. You could just think

1029
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: of a random animal and then justify with the type

1030
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: of gay guy. But I really do want to think

1031
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: of the type of gay guy that has not yet

1032
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: been defined an animal, and I want to give them

1033
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: an animal. Okay, here's something I'm thinking of. You know,

1034
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: when people are like really like lanky and tall and

1035
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: like because they're not twinks and they're not bears and

1036
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: they're not otters, that needs something like that needs like

1037
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: Josh and Aaron kind of like Josh and Aaron, like,

1038
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: what would that like storks or like storks maybe they're storks.

1039
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well because it's not flamingos. Yeah, flamingos is something

1040
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: flaming goes. It's like your bellied answer. Yeah, so storks storks? Okay,

1041
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: but then it's like there's there's child rearing, right exactly.

1042
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: And also you know, Josh and Aaron are hot. They're

1043
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 2: not like some.

1044
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: Bird, right, So.

1045
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: Like slender Man, that's a slender Man grapes?

1046
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: Is there an animal like I'm almost like salamander, Like

1047
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's something.

1048
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: Tree, trees, you can the Lord of the Rings. And

1049
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 2: actually ense is just like tall gay guys And I

1050
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: don't think Josh and I think you have to be

1051
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: uh more like gigantic.

1052
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what animals? Here's my.

1053
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: Yes, nick a cobra A cobra. What I was gonna say,

1054
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: this is not so much a physical appearance thing, but

1055
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,959
Speaker 2: I do wish there was. I want like a term

1056
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: for the kind of gay guy who's like randomly everywhere

1057
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: and no one. I actually think it's the cockroach. It's like,

1058
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: no matter how much you swap them away, they always

1059
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 2: pop back up. Yeah, and they're just like at somehow

1060
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 2: at every event, and they're not like, this isn't someone

1061
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: oh everyone hates. Like it's not someone everyone hates. It's

1062
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: just someone people are neutral about, and yet seemingly never

1063
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 2: sleeps and is out all the time. And it's it's

1064
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: always very it's always this like, wait, who's he with again?

1065
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah? Cockroach, maybe even like termite. There's something about like yeah,

1066
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: like where it's like, well, it's not gonna hurt you,

1067
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: but it's like, but I totally want it here. Yeah,

1068
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: it's like should we do anything about it? And it's like,

1069
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: honestly not really like there's something to it. Okay, okay,

1070
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: not our best answer, but you know, life is a

1071
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: work in progress.

1072
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, we're okay. Wait, let me play this iconic

1073
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: call that I want to end on. Okay, this one's big.

1074
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 10: Okay.

1075
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 13: I have two questions that are amazing. The first is

1076
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 13: is is this problematic? Or am I problematic? And the

1077
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 13: second is what's going on with me? Can of stangl

1078
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 13: analytically your perspective? So to give the context, So I

1079
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 13: am a thirty something.

1080
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 8: Queer, let the.

1081
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 13: Anish woman, and I am married.

1082
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 11: To a straight guy, very straight this guy.

1083
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 13: But first kind of serious spirit relationship before that, mostly

1084
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 13: with women. And I live in kind of a yeah

1085
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 13: with it because like Bolderie, Portly, the off city kind

1086
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 13: of city that I actual kids, and I have just

1087
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 13: come to terms with the fact that I am kind

1088
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 13: of obsessed with gay guys. I listened to a lot

1089
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 13: of podcasts with gay guys. I stand a lot of

1090
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 13: gay guys. I think when I was younger, I used

1091
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 13: to want to say gay guys, and so I wondered, like,

1092
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 13: but a long, yeah, I'm really that I am, I like,

1093
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 13: actually a trans guy who wants to be a gay guy.

1094
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 13: I don't think I really like being a woman. I

1095
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 13: really like being married to my husband. But I kind

1096
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 13: of yeah, I like, I kind of feel like I

1097
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 13: stand gay guy culture in all the forms that it takes.

1098
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 13: So I'm wondering, what's going on? Is that problematic in

1099
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 13: my other exoticize as to happen?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I mean this is the biggest question of

1101
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: them all.

1102
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: This is like sort of a this is a big

1103
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: cultural question. First of all, I want to say, You're

1104
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: not alone there. This is like a thing that is

1105
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: happening right now. That is complicated where women are standing

1106
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: gay guys in a huge way. And I know it's

1107
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: always kind of existed, but it's like, in the way

1108
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: that gay guys stand pop stars, women are standing gay guys.

1109
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: There has been this influx of openly gay men in

1110
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: the culture, some of them actual celebrities in pop culture,

1111
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: some of them very niche creators and podcasters, Okay, And

1112
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: that never existed before. Yeah, like or when it did,

1113
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 2: it was like one person that everyone was like, look

1114
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: at him, like George Michael, like Elton. It wasn't Elton John.

1115
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: It wasn't this community based thing in the way that

1116
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: we have, for example, a bunch of different actresses and

1117
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: they are in movies together, and a bunch of pop

1118
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: stars and they collaborate, and oh, Beyonce is doing a

1119
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: song with Lady Gaga and Chapel is doing whatever. And

1120
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: so to me, the two most interesting things happening in

1121
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: terms of the relationship between women and gay men are

1122
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: a women standing gay men. B gay men suddenly becoming

1123
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: interested in women sexually.

1124
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: This is happening in a huge way. I feel like

1125
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: it's funny to meet a woman right and say that

1126
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: it's funny to meet a woman right now because I

1127
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: feel that there are certain women that I can feel

1128
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: them being the type that will be obsessed with gay guys,

1129
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: and you can almost feel them hungering for you to

1130
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: like be gay, which I know is like, this is

1131
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: not a new thing necessarily, Like Tyler Kates had the

1132
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: web series My Disappointing Gay Best Friend, which is kind

1133
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: of exploring this. But I do feel it more now

1134
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: than I did in the past, and sometimes I do

1135
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: feel disappointing. Like sometimes I don't get me wrong, I

1136
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: can say a bitchy thing about you know, Sabrina Carpenter

1137
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they're like doing cartwheels for me. But

1138
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: when I like when for example, I'm like a little

1139
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: tired that day and I can't like nail, Like if

1140
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: like if I'm like just going to get a water

1141
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: and someone's like, what are you getting, mama, and I'm

1142
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: like water and they're like, oh, like there is I

1143
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: can the disappointment.

1144
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Here's the other thing that has happened is

1145
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: that gay through it quite frankly, things like drag race,

1146
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: things like gay people on reality TV. I think, you know,

1147
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: gay mood you know, whatever, things that used to be

1148
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: like an inside joke or an in group language among

1149
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: people in the community are now out there, and so suddenly,

1150
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: you know, random straight people feel compelled to talk about

1151
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: like bottoming and topping and that that part is new,

1152
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: or like the way people use the word twink is

1153
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: often very confusing to me.

1154
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, and.

1155
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: It's I almost think maybe what it is is in

1156
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 2: the same way that gay guys have gone from knowing

1157
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: first order lesbian stereotypes second order lesbian stereotypes, suddenly straight

1158
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: people went from knowing first order gay stereotypes the second

1159
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: order gay stereotypes, and suddenly we're talking about topping and

1160
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 2: bottoming and muscle queens and yeah, like even just like

1161
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: the the way like gay guy open relationships and how

1162
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 2: that's now discussed and girls can be like, oh yeah,

1163
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: my gay guy friends are always fucking.

1164
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. And there it's a double edged sword, because sometimes

1165
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: that's a good thing, and sometimes you're like, I wish

1166
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: they didn't know that. I also have been feeling like,

1167
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: because of this like obsession with gay guys from women,

1168
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: I feel like a certain gay privilege that is sort

1169
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: of weird. Where I used to you know, in like comedy,

1170
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: when you're in an open mic and you're gay. In

1171
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: the year twenty thirteen, it was like kind of a

1172
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: thing that it was like, don't worry, I'll show you

1173
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: that even though I'm gay, I'm funny and like now

1174
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: it's very much like you meet people and you're like

1175
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,919
Speaker 1: they just are like, no, we love you already because

1176
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: you're gay, and it's like, but that's I didn't do

1177
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: it yet. I didn't do anything. I don't deserve it.

1178
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: There is just like a straight up privilege, and that

1179
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: is weird. Yeah.

1180
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 2: I also I do think gay men, going back to

1181
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,959
Speaker 2: the days of you know, having a gay BFF, gay

1182
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 2: men are just this like neutral identity for straight leaning

1183
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 2: women where they are not they are. It's this person

1184
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 2: that they neither feel like they're comparing themselves to or

1185
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: they're competitive in any way, nor do they feel sexually

1186
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: attracted to. And to be clear, it goes both ways.

1187
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 2: That's why gay men are so drawn to straight women too,

1188
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: and that is almost why all the more problematic parts

1189
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: of it are so covert, because you're like, oh, what

1190
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: could go wrong, Like, there's nothing that could go wrong.

1191
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 2: We can't say anything offensive to one another. We can't,

1192
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: you know, sexually harass one another, nothing like it's a

1193
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 2: perfect crime. And then suddenly you'll say either gay men

1194
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 2: will say something insanely misogynistic or straight women will say

1195
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: something inst the omophobic, and you're like, oh no, you ruined.

1196
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is funny. The obsession. The obsession. Yeah, with

1197
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: gay guys and straight girls. It's like just fuck already.

1198
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 15: Hmmm.

1199
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: But to this person's point, I really don't think you

1200
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: need to worry too much about your own identity and

1201
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 2: what it means for your own identity.

1202
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean, no, you're fine.

1203
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 2: It's sort of like it's like it's like, guess what

1204
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: if you like pop culture from a certain racial or

1205
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 2: ethnic group, you're not transracial. You're just enjoy jazz mama.

1206
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense to me. So pop on, heartstopper

1207
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: and live your life.

1208
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: But by the way, you are the backbone of the community,

1209
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: and there would be no pop cats if it weren't

1210
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: for you. Oh truly, all right.

1211
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: I unfortunately have to run.

1212
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 2: I know, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna

1213
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: pick some other calls and have them play after the

1214
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 2: credits as tributes to them, even if we don't have

1215
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: a chance to answer them.

1216
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, thank you to everyone who called in. We

1217
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 1: really appreciated it was fun and we're excited to see

1218
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: you in New York on Saturday.

1219
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: Yes, come to the Bellhouse on Saturday. Yeah, we can't

1220
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 2: wait to see you. Okay, and we love you. We

1221
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: love you. Bye bye, Sam and George.

1222
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 12: My name is Jake.

1223
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 6: I'm from Austin, Texas. I'm calling because I'm in a

1224
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 6: little bit of a conundrum. I identify as gay, and

1225
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 6: I love man. I think they're beautiful. My subconscious is

1226
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,479
Speaker 6: constantly attracted to them. Blah blah blah. Okay, but there's

1227
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 6: this one woman that I started working with, and for

1228
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 6: some reason, there's just this subconscious attraction.

1229
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 11: To her that I have.

1230
01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 6: I never really fill this with women, it's extremely rare,

1231
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 6: but with her, I just think she's the most beautiful

1232
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 6: woman in the world. I see, I stare into her

1233
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 6: eyes and I feel seen. There's just this magical energy

1234
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 6: when I interact with her. And this is usually exclusive

1235
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 6: to men that I meet, so I'm much a little

1236
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 6: bit confused. A part of me is taking I am

1237
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 6: potentially bisexual or pant sexual and that I should pursue

1238
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 6: this urge to get to know this beautiful woman better.

1239
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 6: But a part of me is terrified to even attempt

1240
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 6: to think about that because I've always considered women as

1241
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 6: not a part of the dating field, and I have

1242
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 6: no idea how to even attempt to date a woman, flirt.

1243
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: With a woman.

1244
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 6: It's a whole thing that I've never really even wanted

1245
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 6: to engage in. But now that I have this feel

1246
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 6: into it just feels way too new found. It feels

1247
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 6: like when I was gay in the closet again. I'm

1248
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 6: in the closet for women, and I don't know if

1249
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 6: I should just hide in the closet for this woman

1250
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 6: and pretend like it didn't happen for the sake of

1251
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 6: my own self identity and comfortability with what I know,

1252
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 6: or should I embrace this new found by sexuality and

1253
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 6: trying to get to know this lady better. The other

1254
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 6: thing is she is extremely beautiful, and, in my honest opinion,

1255
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 6: probably way too beautiful for even me if I was straight,

1256
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 6: or if she had any interest in me. I think

1257
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 6: I'm just not handsome enough for someone at her level.

1258
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 6: That being said, obviously, that's insecurity talking and whatever else.

1259
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 6: But she really is just like on another league in

1260
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 6: terms of beauty, intelligence.

1261
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 11: She comes from well with all these things.

1262
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 6: So like, I felt like even if I was a

1263
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 6: straight man, I probably would not have the courage to

1264
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 6: pursue her. So yeah, I guess my question is, now

1265
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 6: that I have a new found to a woman that

1266
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 6: I know, should I pursue this bisexuality regardless of my

1267
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 6: insecurities about it or my lack of knowledge or comfort

1268
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 6: in it. Or should I just stifle it as if

1269
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 6: I was a gay closet man and pretend that my

1270
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 6: attacking carr doesn't exist and just stick with what I do.

1271
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 6: That's something that I've been curious about if I should,

1272
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 6: if I should branch out into into women, because again

1273
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 6: it's I'm like a nervous teenage boy that's never kissed well,

1274
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 6: I mean, actually I have kissed a woman.

1275
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 12: But Hi, George and Sam in a sert of earnestness,

1276
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 12: I'm calling from Philadelphia to tell you that I am

1277
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 12: an old ass woman. I am forty six ten years old,

1278
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:48,560
Speaker 12: firmly jen as George, unlike you to justice acts gen X. Occasionally.

1279
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 12: I don't know if it's because I have COVID right

1280
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 12: now and like my defenses have been brought down by

1281
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 12: this little virus. But I just wanted to call and

1282
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 12: tell you guys that you guys are me so happy.

1283
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 12: I love your podcast sometimes. I know it's Sunday night

1284
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 12: and Monday's coming, but I don't feel so bad cook

1285
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 12: Tuesday there'll be Austradio a love episode. And I know

1286
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 12: that's super cheesy and not cool at all to say,

1287
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 12: but I mean, how could a forty six year old

1288
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 12: woman who's alive and let's say it with me the

1289
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 12: seventies be cool. You can, so it's fine, but you

1290
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 12: guys just made me laugh so hard. And I'm on

1291
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 12: pay training stuff and I wish I got the discord

1292
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 12: a little better because I'm little old. I mean, I

1293
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 12: just feel like it's not for me because I'm not

1294
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 12: that gemo, but I like to read it sometimes, and

1295
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 12: you guys have just created a really nice community online.

1296
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 12: I'm actually a straight woman too, Whi's embarrassing, but it

1297
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 12: is true. But I just love you guys, and I

1298
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 12: want to say thank you for being fun and funny

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Speaker 12: and open and honest and really just making me happy

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Speaker 12: every time I listen to you. So again, this could

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Speaker 12: be to COVID talking, but it's also just meeting your host. Okay.

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Speaker 12: I love you guys. You're the best. Thank you for

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Speaker 12: your great podcast, and that's it. Okay.

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Speaker 6: Bye, Hi gay guys.

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Speaker 14: I was just assumed a Patreon and I had the number,

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Speaker 14: and I decided to call this the morning I went

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Speaker 14: to matt Square Garden last night. I saw Charlie to

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Speaker 14: have some choice of on Sweat Tour. Charlie brought out Addison,

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Speaker 14: Ray and Lord. And when I tell you that, I

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Speaker 14: was sobbing, crying, screaming and shaking, squealing.

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Speaker 6: Laughing, all with delight when these powerful women were on

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Speaker 6: stage together. Let me just tell you that it was amazing.

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Speaker 14: Is like firming feeling dehydrated this morning, but you guys

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Speaker 14: are helping and bring me back to life.

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Speaker 6: And it's going to be a beautiful week.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

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Speaker 8: Hi version Sam. I'm a new subscriber, but a long

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Speaker 8: time listener to new subscribing to the Patrion. I guess

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Speaker 8: they should say, and I'm gonna say that the episode

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Speaker 8: George retapping your wedding did make me cry, not only

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Speaker 8: to just hear you talk about like the wedding and

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Speaker 8: what it meant and the family and all that, but

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Speaker 8: also like.

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Speaker 19: The two of you talking about your friendship. I think

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Speaker 19: it was so beautiful and.

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Speaker 8: I think that's been such a journey from the first episode.

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Speaker 19: It's been so sweet to be a listener and you

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Speaker 19: are the best, and so I'm my guests is being

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Speaker 19: earnest to you that I feel very grateful and lucky

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Speaker 19: that we get to listen to your guys' friendship every week.

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Speaker 17: I'm not alone.

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Speaker 2: Want more, Subscribe to our Patreon for two extra episodes

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Speaker 2: a month, discord access, and more by heading to patreon

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Speaker 2: dot com. Slash Stradio Lab.

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Speaker 1: And for all our visual learners, free full length video

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Speaker 1: episodes are available on our YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Now get back to work.