1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a Nucnan mother of five, 2 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: goes missing just after morning drop off. Her suv found abandoned, 3 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: But where is Jennifer Dulos. The week's past no new information, 4 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: but in the last hours her strained husband Fotus Dulos 5 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: arrested again, but not for murder, not for kidnapping. I'm 6 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 7 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: with us. The estranged husband of the beautiful Nucnan mom 8 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos has been arrested in the last hours in 9 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: connection with the disappearance of his wife, Jennifer. Take a 10 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at a b This is the 11 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: second time that Fotus Dulos has been arrested in connection 12 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: with the disappearance of as estranged wife Jennifer, a mother 13 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: of five. She's been missing since May twenty four. Mister 14 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: Dulos taken into customed to Saffernoon at his home in 15 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: Farmington and we're told he will be charged with tampering 16 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: with evidence again. Dulos and his girlfriend, Michelle Traconis have 17 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: been free on a half million dollars bail each since 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: they're arrest in early June. At the time. They were 19 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: charged with hindering prosecution and evidence tampering. Dulos has been 20 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: under GPS monitoring. He is not allowed to have contact 21 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: with any of his five children. Meanwhile, no sighting of 22 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos since her disappearance. State beliefs believe a serious 23 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: assault took place in the Dulos home. They found blood 24 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: splatters and stains, along with evidence of an attempted clean up. 25 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: A man resembling mister Dulos was seen on surveillance cameras 26 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: dumping garbage bags in various spots in Hartford. Dulos has 27 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: denied any wrongdoing, but again he is under arrest again 28 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: and again charged with evidence tampering. And still the big mystery, 29 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: what happened to Jennifer Dulos and those five children without 30 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: their mom and in a very real sense now also 31 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: without their father. What we know right now is he 32 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: is facing this allegedly successful real estate developer facing additional 33 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: tampering with evidence charges. Now that is not a murderer 34 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: make But you've got to ask yourself, why is the 35 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: estranged husband tampering with evidence? And how did this whole 36 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: thing start? She Jennifer Dulos drops her children off at school. 37 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: She's never seen again, her car found abandoned. To syndicated 38 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: talk show host Dave Mac, Dave, I want to start 39 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: at the beginning. Where does she go missing? When did 40 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: she go missing? She dropped their children off at eight am. 41 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: The next thing we know is that she missed an 42 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: eleven am appointment. At twelve, the cleaning lady came by 43 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: and there was nobody home. So the police have tightened 44 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: the timeline down to the last time. But woa, whoa, whoa, 45 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: Dave Mac, Sorry, but I've got to isolate something. You 46 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: just said, she dropped the children off at school eight am. 47 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: And let me just tell you, these people aren't slouches. 48 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: They live in a very upscale area, possibly one of 49 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: the most expensive areas outside of nine o two one zero. 50 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: It's around the New Canaan area of Connecticut. And I 51 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: learned living in New York that all the rich people 52 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: would leave and after work and take a train to 53 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: New Canaan, I mean the really, really wealthy people. So 54 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: I can't identify where the woman was living. The husband 55 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: was living in a four point three million dollar mansion, 56 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: but they had split up. Long story short, this is 57 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: where I'm going with this. Dave Mac eight am to 58 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: eleven a m with Me, Dave Max, syndicated talk show 59 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: host Jessica Morgan. I need you on this one. You know, 60 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: when I'm up making a cup of hot tea first 61 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: thing in the morning, at about five AM, I do 62 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: not expect a kidnap to go down. What I'm saying is, 63 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: I've been prosecuting for many, many years, and it's much 64 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: more unlikely for a violent crime to occur first thing 65 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: in the morning. Now this is just anecdotal for me, 66 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: but it's rare when you see a kidnap or a 67 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: murderer or a violent crime occur first thing in the morning. 68 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: What is that? I always say, I felt perfectly perfectly 69 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: safe going out in hand delivering subpoenas first thing in 70 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: the morning, because all the dopers would still be asleep 71 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: like vampires. So what is it. The crimes do happen, 72 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: but it's very rare first thing in the morning. Oh, 73 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: you're right, Nancy. I mean even swat teams and you 74 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: know drug tas sport, like you had stated, they will, 75 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: they will go and serve warrants at these violent offender's homes. 76 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: Generally at that period of time, because you know these 77 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: people are not going to be out of the bed 78 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: by that time. Oh oh hbl No, because they've been 79 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: up all night long, breaking the law, selling dove, driving 80 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: around town, trying to steal things an arm rob. Mmm, 81 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: you can set up a whole battering ram outside a 82 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: doper's door at six am. They won't know anything's going on. 83 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: They're dead to the world till about three pm. So 84 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: can I just get a yes no on that? Joe Scott, Yes, So, 85 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: Dave Matt, you're telling me she goes missing between eight 86 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: and eleven. She even wanted to disappear and get away 87 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: from her life mighty early in the morning. And we 88 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: don't have any signs of her clothes being packed, or 89 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: a bus ticket, a plane ticket, nothing like that, Dowey Dave. 90 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: When the police actually went to her rented home in 91 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: New Canean, they found tray of blood and obvious signs 92 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: that have been cleaned up so that the maid could 93 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: not realize what had happened. So I'm assuming they used 94 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: luminar or something along those lines to determine that it 95 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: was enough blood. Who is they who used luminar? I'm sorry, 96 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: the police. The police all converged on her home to 97 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: try to find her. And again we've got an eight 98 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: am dropping off at school. By eleven am, she misses 99 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: an appointment, and by twelve noon the maid says there's 100 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: nobody here. When the police show up to investigate, they 101 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: find traces of blood at such a level that they 102 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: believe it had been cleaned up in an effort to 103 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: conceal it from the maid when she arrived at noon. 104 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: Her family says she was quote afraid for her life. 105 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: That's what we're learning. That she was a quote nervous 106 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: wreck after filing for a divorce from husband Fotus Dulos, 107 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: her husband of thirteen years. Now. According to police, over 108 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: thirty items of clothing and sponges bloodied have been found 109 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: on a four mile stretch in Connecticut that DNA apparently 110 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: matching up to Jennifer Dulos. But according to the husband's lawyers, 111 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: that the missing mom. Jennifer Dulos writes a Gone Girls 112 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: style novel, and as you will recall, the Gone Girl 113 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: movie hit movie was all about a wife that staged 114 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: her own disappearance and return. Long story short straight out 115 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: to Radar Online Dot COM's Alexis terres Chuck, investigative reporter. 116 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: What can you tell me, Alexis about this missing mom 117 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos writing a Gone Girl style novel. So her 118 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: estranged husband's attorney is claiming this. He said, with oh, 119 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: so who good up to him? He said they were 120 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: given a dark, dark novel that Jennifer had allegedly written, 121 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: and they said that it was a Gone Girls style book. 122 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: What that means is it's a wife who fakes her 123 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: death and frames her husband for the death by leaving 124 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: blood evidence in the house. And that's what they're saying. 125 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: That they have found this book that she They say 126 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: that she wrote this, this missing mother of five, five 127 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: children at home and she writes a book about taking 128 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: her death and then all of a sudden, her husband's 129 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: attorney has this book. The husband's lawyer also claims that 130 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: she Jennifer Dulos has had a history of disappearing. What 131 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: do you know about that? This is what disattorney has 132 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: said that she's had a hiss rub disappearing, But her 133 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: family says that this isn't true. She has five kids, 134 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: she's a devoted mother. She has been fighting in court 135 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: for full custody of these kids. Everyone who knows there 136 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: says that this isn't true. Yeah, Alexis. According to husband 137 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: Fotus lawyer, Jennifer wrote a five hundred page Gone Girl's 138 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: style script many years ago, and he is now claiming 139 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: she had a quote troubled pass end quote struggled with 140 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: drugs her whole life. That's interesting because he's had five 141 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: children with her, and I don't recall him ever calling 142 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: de facts or causing any disturbance about the mom using drugs, 143 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: or ever having any problem leaving his children alone with her. Nope, 144 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: none whatsoever. This is, according to her family, is coming 145 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: from out of nowhere. That these are really dirty tactics 146 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: to blame a victim, and they've never heard of any 147 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: of this. And this novel that she wrote. She is 148 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: a New York University NYU graduate in literature and she 149 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: loved to write, is what her mom had said, So 150 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: this is just an old story that she wrote. Now, 151 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: according to Jennifer's loved ones, they say she was afraid 152 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: for her life and was a nervous wreck. Their lawyers 153 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: claim that this suggestion that she had written a Gone 154 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: Girl novel is just a desperate attempt to slander Jennifer 155 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Fotus Dulos arrested again on 156 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: another tampering with evidence charge. Welcome back, hy Nancy Grace 157 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: as of right now. Defense attorneys for Fotus Dulo's comment 158 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: on his most recent arrest in connection with the disappearance 159 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: of his wife, Jennifer listen to this. What are we 160 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: here for today? Well, that's an existential question I'm not 161 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: prepared to answer. Why are you here? Well, we're here 162 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: because we understand that mister Dulos has been charged with 163 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: an additional account of tampering with evidence. What can you 164 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: say to that? Not a whole lot at this point. 165 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: I mean, if this were Christmas morning, I'd be saying 166 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: I waited all these months for this poultry gift. There's 167 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: not much here that we hadn't heard before, and I 168 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: questioned the wisdom of these charges at this late day. 169 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: The requirements of the requirement to make another bond seems 170 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: simply at a stunt on this date's part to try 171 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: to wear down our will to resist. We've pled not 172 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: guilty to the pending charges, we intend to plead not 173 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: guilty to these charges, and we look forward to a 174 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: full day in court. When do we expect mister Dulos 175 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: to be in court to answer to this charge. We 176 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: will plead not guilty at an arrangement in Norwalk on 177 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: the twelfth next Thursday at week Mister Dulos, in this 178 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: particular instance, here, with this particular charge, what do you 179 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: have to say for yourself? It's an exhausting fight. I 180 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: love my children, That's about it. Where's your life, Jennifer. 181 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: We wish we knew, and we we we was here. 182 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got a chance to see 183 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: us talking to the state police. I have a very 184 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: friendly relationship with them. I wish them well and I 185 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: wish you'd ask yourself why you have to nerve in 186 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: your audacity to ask him that question, because if you 187 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: know something the police don't know, you should go tell them. 188 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: We don't know where you interested in him? What the 189 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: police seem very interested they do. But where's the murder 190 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: charge and where's your objectivity? Shame on you? Right now? 191 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: Cops have to release footage from inside a Heart for 192 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: Trash facility, and in that facility you see a guy 193 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: that loves a lot like the husband photos duels throwing 194 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: away what many believe is evidence. Alixis, what can you 195 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: tell us her ex husband was captured on video thirty 196 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: time depositing what the police have said and forces have 197 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 1: said was evidence. It included bloody clothing, sponges that have 198 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: been connected back to Jennifer. This is all what forces 199 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: are saying, and this is they have been searching the 200 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: trash in this town. They are meticulously searching. This is 201 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: a huge trash landfill. But they have said the authorities 202 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: that said, we know exactly what we're looking for, we 203 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: know when it came here, and we know where it is, 204 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: and we are finding everything. And they said even the 205 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: littlest bit of evidence they have, they're sending it to 206 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: the medical examiner. They have dogs out there that are 207 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: trained to search to find body fluid, blood, anything human 208 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: related and they are going to find everything they can 209 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: to help connect them to this case. They search for 210 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: mom of five, Jennifer Dulos has had so many bizarre 211 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: twists and turns. The husband and his girlfriend caught on 212 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: camera and about thirty stops throwing out items that later 213 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: allegedly had his wife's DNA on them. My they were 214 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: certainly neat nicks throwing out all that as I call 215 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: it evidence according to sources, But now the potential murder 216 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: weapon has reared its head, but cops can't find it. Now, 217 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell you who's probably sweating this one out, and 218 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: that is her husband, Photus Dulos, who was under suspicion 219 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: in the case. But just you know, it's never easy, 220 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: never easy, because if this knife is actually connected to 221 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: the murderer, a mother of five, Jennifer Dulos, oh no, no, 222 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: no no, I don't know where the knife is. Because 223 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: if this is a knife linked to Jennifer's a murder, 224 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: I hope you're sitting down. The knife, the alleged murder weapon, 225 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: has been traded for crack cocaine. Bet you didn't see 226 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: that coming. A Hartford man claims he found a knife 227 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: and a bloody pillow near's some trash cans, trash cans 228 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,359 Speaker 1: where we already know evidence in the Jennifer Dulo's disappearance 229 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: was recovered, but that he traded the knife for a 230 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: five rock, A five rock that is a five dollar 231 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: piece of crack cocaine. The man who has not been 232 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: identified because he might turn out to be a witness 233 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: claims he was rumaging through a trash can just a 234 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: few days after Jennifer goes missing when he spots a 235 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: blue and white striped pillow. Now that's significant, ken a 236 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: blue and white striped patterned pillow be matched up to 237 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: the other pillows in Jennifer's home. If so, maybe this 238 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: guy's telling the truth. Anyway, he says, I can't believe this. 239 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: He says he spots a blue and white striped pillow, 240 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: and after he takes out of the trash, he noticed 241 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: it was soaked in blood. Now the guy says, quote, 242 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: it was about a quart of blood on the pillow 243 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: all over it. I tell you, whoever got hurt got 244 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: hurt real bad. I looked underneath and there was a 245 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: knife under there. He wanted some crack, and he said 246 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: he traded the knife to a dope dealer named Fudge. 247 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: Fudge as in the candy. He says, quote, I put 248 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: the knife in my pocket for some reason, I was 249 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: thinking stupid. I was on crack. I wanted to hit 250 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: so bad. I was looking for somebody to sell me 251 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: some crack. Oh. Now we're hearing from sources that told 252 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: the Current Paper local paper that this guy was actually 253 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: caught on video removing items from that area the weekend 254 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: Dulos went missing. The trash camera and the knife and 255 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: pillow were allegedly discovered and foraged. Is on the same 256 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: street where Dulo's a Strange Husband photo. Dulos was seen 257 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: throwing bags into the trash kins whoa The husband also 258 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: caught slipping a FedEx package into a storm drain. Now, 259 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: if you see my husband, David Lynch cramming something down 260 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: a storm drain, please go get it. Cops did, and 261 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: they when they fished it out, it was a doctored 262 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: license plate from a car Fotus Dulos once owned. Now, 263 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: so far the husband, Fotus Dulos and his girlfriend, of 264 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: course there's a girlfriend. But shel Chaconis have been charged 265 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: with hindering the prosecution and tampering with evidence. But what 266 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: about this knife? After interviewing the guy who says he 267 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: found the knife, police searched Albany Avenue and they found 268 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: a bloody vineyard vine shirt they believe Jennifer was wearing 269 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: the day she disappeared. They also recover her bra, sponges, 270 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: and other cleaning items that test positive for Jennifer's d NA. 271 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: How Are we ever gonna track down that knife crime 272 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace? Welcome back I Nancy Grace. This 273 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: is the latest in the search for a New Canan 274 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: mom of five, Jennifer Dulous in the last hours her 275 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: estranged husband girlfriend separate home. The works Potus Dulos arrested 276 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: in connection with her disappearance, But not on kidnapping, not 277 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: on murderer, on tampering with evidence. Now could it have 278 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: anything to do with reports that surveillance video shows a 279 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: man thought to be Photus Dulos walking near a black suv. 280 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: She drove a black suv and grabbing a dark piece 281 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: of carpet or mat before leaning it against a restaurant 282 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: wall near a trash can. Now the mat believed to 283 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: be from the back of Jennifer's Chevy suburban or from 284 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: her new Canean home. We believe her Chevy suburban was 285 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: also black. Now does that have anything to do with 286 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: this most recent arrest. The carpet or matt reportedly was 287 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: left in close proximity to where police claim they recovered 288 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: a vineyard vine's T shirt, two mops and sponges all 289 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: stained with Jennifer Dulos's blood. Straight out to Jackie Howard. 290 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: Jackie Howard, what can you tell me about the arrest? 291 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: Nancy Photus Dulos was picked up around two thirty Wednesday 292 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: afternoon at his Farmington home. He was transported to State 293 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: Police barracks in Bridgeport, where he was processed and released 294 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: after a posting bond just before seven pm. Now the 295 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: warrant gives us some new details on what cops think 296 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: happened to Jennifer Dulos and what role her estranged husband 297 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: may have had in her death. The new charge, in part, 298 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: has to do with a pickup truck, not Dulos's Ford Raptor. 299 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: In the forty three page a rest warrant, investigators say 300 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: that Photus Dulos washed it a couple of days after 301 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: Jennifer disappeared. The truck, a two thousand and one Toyota Tacoma, 302 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: is owned by Barbara gum Lenny, the wife of a 303 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: project manager for four Group that's photustulos luxury home building business. 304 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: Now police say they believe that Photus Dulos may have 305 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: used the Toyota to transport his wife's body after he 306 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: attacked her at her New Canean home. He has not 307 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: been charged for that crime. Now, investigators say they believe 308 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos was the victim of a violent attack in 309 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: her home. That's based on the evidence that they found there. 310 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: They say Dulos is believed to have been lying in 311 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: wait for his wife to return from dropping their children 312 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: off at school, and Photus Dulos cleaned up the crime 313 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: scene between eight oh five and ten twenty five am. Now, 314 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: the warrant states that photos Dulos is suspected of driving 315 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: Jennifer's twenty seventeen Chevallet suburban that you were talking about 316 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: there from her house at ten twenty five, and that 317 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: her body was likely inside. The two thousand and one 318 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: Toyota Tacoma arrives at Photus Dulos's property in Farmington just 319 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: after noon. In addition to having the Toyota Tacoma washed, 320 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: Photus Dulos also insisted that the seats in the truck 321 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: be switched with seats from a Portia a suv. That's 322 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,959 Speaker 1: according to the project manager. He has turned those seats 323 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: over to the police and they were tested and were 324 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: found to contain a blood like substance that had Jennifer's DNA. 325 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: Eight am to eleven am with me, Joseph Scott Morgan, 326 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: Professor forensic jacksonvill State University, let me ask you a question. 327 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: It seems to me that if she dropped her children 328 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: off at school at eight am and then you find 329 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: blood that seemingly is cleaned up in the home that 330 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: she came back, that says to me, she came back 331 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: from taking them to school and I'm one, And if 332 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: she stopped anywhere along the way McDonald's for a cup 333 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: of coffee, the grocery store, whatever's open at eight am, 334 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: came into the home and that's when the attack occurred. 335 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: Because her car by eleven am has been found abandoned. Yeah, 336 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: I think so too, Nancy. And I think that whoever's 337 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: involved in this, they have to know her timing. They 338 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: have to know that she would have taken those kids 339 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: to school, and then they would have had to have 340 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: had access to this area in which this blood is found. 341 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: And this is going to be essential. I don't know 342 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: what you're saying about access. They could break in or 343 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: get in with a credit card at the door and 344 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: fallen us. She left the door un lot, But as 345 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: far as timing, I believe that's when the incident occurred. 346 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean it had to if that blood wiped up 347 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: is related to her disappearance. In the last hours, we 348 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: learned that the husband has given DNA samples straight out 349 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: to David Mack. There's been a lot of breaks in 350 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: the case way in Jennifer's husband fous Dulus and his girlfriend, 351 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: Michelle Traconis, who's they were both taken into custody and 352 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: charged with hindering prosecution and tampering with evidence in relation 353 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: to the disappearance of missus Dulas. Okay, that's not good 354 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: because if they are in any way trying to cover 355 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: up or tamper with evidence or keep police from finding evidence, 356 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: why would they want to do that unless they've got 357 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: something to cover up. Now, a defense attorney will argue 358 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: tampering with evidence or obstructing police does not a murder make. 359 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: But if they're what other reason would they cover up 360 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: evidence or tamper with evidence or obstruct police in their investigation. 361 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: Dave mac, you know what we've gotten now is we've 362 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: mentioned many times about the blood being cleaned up at 363 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: the New Canean rental home that Missus Dulas was living in. Well, 364 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: they've gotten the DNA broken down from that, and prior 365 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: to his arrest, mister Dulos actually had given DA a 366 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: sample and hair follical samples that they're running against some 367 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: of the other evidence that they've found in the last 368 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: hours for his training Husban Fotus Dulos arrested again, but 369 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: not for murder, not for kidnapping. You know, we now 370 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: have learned that it was just last week police were 371 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: searching desperately for a carpet or a mat that they 372 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: believe Fotus Dulos got rid of outside of a Hartford 373 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: restaurant just hours after his wife, Jennifer vanishes May twenty four. 374 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: Now what does that mean? Why would he be outside 375 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: of a restaurant getting rid of a carpet or a mat? 376 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: How does that play into his most recent arrests for 377 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: tampering with evidence. Now we also know that he was 378 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: having an affair with a girlfriend. That girlfriend, Michelle Traconis. 379 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: Both of them were arrested back in June on charges 380 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: of tampering with evidence and hindering the prosecution. It's our 381 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: understanding that, according to sources, the girlfriend is turning state's evidence, 382 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: but she's not turning enough for a murder or kidnapping charge. 383 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Meancy Grace. This is 384 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories breaking news. The estranged husband of mom of 385 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: five Jennifer Dulos has been arrested, not for murder, not 386 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: for kidnap, for tampering with evidence. You gotta ask yourself, 387 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: why would the estranged husband of a missing mom be 388 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: tampering with evidence? Now we know he's already been rested 389 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: on one tampering with evidence charge, but now another tampering 390 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: with evidence charge. Fotus Dulos, fifty one arrested, a real 391 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: estate developer seemingly successful in for about two million dollars 392 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: to Jennifer's parents. We also know that in the last hours, 393 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: Jennifer's mother has filed motions demanding that the husband, Photus 394 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: Dulos reveal all of his financial records and any alleged 395 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: sneaky dealings. We understand that he had borrowed heavily from 396 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: Jennifer's parents to the tune of one or two million 397 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: dollars to prop up his construction business. Jackie Howard, what 398 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: can you tell me? Jennifer's mother, Gloria Farber, has been 399 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: caring for her five grandchildren since Jennifer went missing. Back 400 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: on May twenty fourth, Farber filed Emotion seeking all of 401 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: photos Dulos's corporate and individual financial records. That's because Dulos 402 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: is looking to get custody of his kids from Farber. 403 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: Farber says, though, that Dulos doesn't have the means to 404 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: support his children, claiming he has no source of income, 405 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: has defaulted all mortgages owes her late husband's estate, as 406 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: you said, more than one point seven million dollars. Farber 407 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: also claims there has not been in any child support 408 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: payments in more than two years. In return, his defense 409 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: team has filed a motion on Jennifer's mother demanding she's 410 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: submit to a mental evaluation. You know what that's playing dirty? 411 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: It is Nancy, But you know you don't have to 412 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: worry about Jennifer's mom, Gloria Farber. Take a listen to 413 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: this from our friends at WTNA Larriors for the Estranged 414 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: Husband and Jennifer Dulos now asking for her mother to 415 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: be evaluated. A legal battle plays out over custody of 416 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: the couple's children. Laura Ingle is following this story for US. 417 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: Laura Hi, Sandra Well the Emotion for Psychological evaluation was 418 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: filed early this morning by a lawyer representing Phoonus Dulos 419 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: the family. Lawyer for Dullos asking the court to appoint 420 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: a psychologist to conduct this evaluation of his children's grandmother, 421 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: Gloria Farber, saying they have no choice but to make 422 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: such a request to ensure that his five children, who 423 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: she has temporary custody of, are safely cared for now. 424 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: He claims that Gloria Farber, the mother of his estranged 425 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: wife Jennifer, has previously been psychiatrically hospitalized and had once 426 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: threatened to kill herself and her late husband, adding that 427 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: electric shock therapy was discussed by family members as an 428 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: option for the treatment at the time. The attorney for 429 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: Gloria Farber tells us she will be filing a formal 430 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: written statement in response to all this. Botus Dulos and 431 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: his girlfriend Michel fre Konis, you will remember, are accused 432 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: of tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution in the disappearance 433 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: of his estranged wife, who has been missing since May 434 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: twenty fourth. Their five children have been staying with their 435 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: grandmother ever since, and Phoonus Dulos has not been granted 436 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: access to his kids. Knifer Dulos. Her mother, Gloria Farber, 437 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: has responded to a motion filed on behalf of her 438 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: son in law, Fotus Dulos. You may recall that his 439 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: defense attorney requested that Farber undergo a psychiatric evaluation. Farber 440 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: says she has no objection to this, adding that her 441 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: sudden law should be evaluated as well, going on to 442 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: say that the motion is salacious and demonstrates Fotus Dulos's 443 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: capacity for cruelty. As you all know, Jennifer file for 444 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: divorce in twenty seventeen, has been locked in an acrimonious 445 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: legal battle for custody of their twin boys, another set 446 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: of twins, boy girl, and a daughter. All the children 447 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: very young, between eight and thirteen years old. Jennifer had 448 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: written in court documents, I am afraid for my family's safety. Wow, 449 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: to get an idea what she looks like to me, 450 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: she looks a little bit like Jennifer Garner trying to 451 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: figure this all out, Alexis, what more can you tell us? 452 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: For the last two years, Jennifer has been fighting for 453 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: us for custody over her five children. In multiple court talkuments, 454 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: she has claimed that she's afraid for her life. She's 455 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 1: afraid of him. He is somebody that she really feels 456 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: I could really do harm to her and the children, 457 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: and she has been bagging a judge to give her 458 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: custody of the children. Listen on Association of your Emergency. Uh. Yeah, 459 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm worried about my wife and kids because they left 460 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: to go to rok and I haven't been able to 461 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: get in touch with, okay, where they were run to 462 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: me York? What's the license light on the car? Excuse me? 463 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: What's the license late on the car? I need to Okay, 464 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: what's who's the car registered to? It's registered to my 465 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: wife's name, Jennifer Dulosa name for me Dulos d u 466 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: l o Els Jennifer g E n I A F 467 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: E R. Yeah, Harrod Diverse. In September twenty seven, nineteen 468 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: sixty eight, they were drug the whole baby see continue 469 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: with the whole world. Okay, what kind of hold on? 470 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: Hold on? What kind of car were they driven? The 471 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: rain Drower Black twenty sixteen Black land Rower rain Drowers. 472 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: You just heard part of a nine one one call 473 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: from two thousand and seventeen where the husband is calling 474 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: police Fotus Dulos the husband. Okay, why is there a 475 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: two thou seventeen nine one one call? What is that? Dave? 476 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: Matt Nancy the Dulo's marriage was very contentious, and Jennifer 477 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: actually filed for divorce in two thousand and seventeen, and 478 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: that's when that call was made. She actually left with 479 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: the kids to New York. But she went to get 480 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: away from him, to hide from him, because she feared 481 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: that when she served the papers, according to what she wrote, 482 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: that he would be violent towards her. So she actually 483 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 1: knew this was going to happen. It was all filed 484 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: with the with the court. And when he called nine 485 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: one one, he hadn't been served the divorce papers yet. 486 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: He didn't know where his wife had gone. He got 487 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: the divorce paper after that nine one one call. Let's 488 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: take a listen to more of it. Nine one one. 489 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: Were they supposed to be there? They were supposed to 490 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: be the permanent Okay, room wall is not answering. They're 491 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: not answering their so okay, what's yourself? The number? So? 492 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: Six zero four no four? Okay? Okay, you keep breaking up? Sorry, 493 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: needs you to hold the phone to your face because 494 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: I keep hearing you really far away. We're also for 495 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: small A zero six, so fourth, so for long for zero. 496 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: Say that's my wife's ce phone number. Okay, who's the 497 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: other person that's with your wife? And Lauren? La? Do 498 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: you know her last name? I need it? And he 499 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: goes on to list all five children missing, five children, 500 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: all gone with her. This is after she files for 501 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: a divorce. But that was way back in two thou 502 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: seventeen to dactor Patricia Saunders, Psychologists joining us out of 503 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: New York, what about it? That telephone call that two 504 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: US made saying that his family was missing was the 505 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: night before he was actually served the divorce papers. He 506 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: sounds surprisingly calm on the nine call. One of the 507 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: statements that Jennifer had made was she listened to years 508 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: of sickening revenge fantasies from her husband planning a harm 509 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: physical harm to people who he felt had wronged him. 510 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: So she had stated that she was afraid of her 511 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: husband and that he would find some way to get 512 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: revenge for her divorcing him. Keep in mind that the husband, 513 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: Photus Dulos, has just lost a battle with his mother 514 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: in law, who owes several million dollars to by the way, 515 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: over custody of the five children. The grandma has it 516 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: Jennifer's mother. That tells me a lot. And in the 517 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: midst of all this it set about searching for his wife. 518 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: His defense lawyer says things like, oh, Jennifer had a 519 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: crazy imagination. She was working on a novel like Gone Girl, 520 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: suggesting that Jennifer has gone missing just to get back 521 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: at her husband. He has also flowed the idea of 522 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 1: revenge suicide that his wife, the mother of his five children, 523 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos, killed herself just to irritate him. I mean, 524 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: I just hope they say that to a jury. But 525 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: right now, how in the world have these five children 526 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: been left without a mother? Where is Jennifer Dulos? The 527 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: hope that she may somehow still be alive has dwindled 528 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: to nothing. We wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace CRuMs 529 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: to us