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Speaker 1: talks back. What's up, y'all? Thank you for tuning in

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Speaker 1: for a new episode though we talked back A show

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Speaker 1: dedicated to you ninjas and you pros, clean it up

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Speaker 1: and everybody in between and everybody in between. What's up, Tam, Hey, y'all,

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Speaker 1: it's me Tam Bam. I love y'all. Thank you're for

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Speaker 1: tuning in again. How was your weekend? AJ? That was good?

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Speaker 1: I do much nothing. Y'all know my life. You did

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Speaker 1: something or you won't know my life, right, That's what

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Speaker 1: it is. I'm gonna stop asking her how she did

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Speaker 1: tell us. No way. If it's exciting, maybe y'all share.

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Speaker 1: But I don't do much this weekend. Just get ready

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Speaker 1: I went outside on Sunday. I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: do it, girl. I want to be knowing how I

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Speaker 1: do it either. It's just like I'll be having to

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Speaker 1: only at the end of the world. While I tried cocaine.

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Speaker 1: I went out, so I hung out Saturday night. I

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Speaker 1: went to like an oyster bar, had some oysters drinks.

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Speaker 1: It was like. Then on Sunday, Sunday was to turn up.

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Speaker 1: I went to this spot called Smoke House in Charlotte

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Speaker 1: and it's like kind of like it's giving turkey leg hud. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's kind of like that, but Charlotte's version, I guess.

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Speaker 1: And then after that, I went to Stats, you know

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Speaker 1: Stats on Sunday night that I've never been on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got maybe one time listen after So

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Speaker 1: this Sunday we have um Henny and Waffles there in town.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be hosting. So y'all pull up to that ltte. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so on the fifth, so y'all pull up to that.

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Speaker 1: But after that that's over at eight we could shoot

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Speaker 1: the stats after that. Girl, See, I'm already getting flustered mentally.

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Speaker 1: recharge in a real way if you are Auntie, just la.

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Speaker 1: I'm not an Auntie, Okay, I am actually aunt is

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Speaker 1: like I can't wait to turn up with my youngest knees.

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Speaker 1: But shs twenty five, I'm not really Auntie, not yet

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Speaker 1: Auntie little kids. Yeah, well all right, well we're going

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Speaker 1: outside Sunday then that's what I mean. So recharge or

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Speaker 1: whatever you need to do Sunday. It's up, all right,

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Speaker 1: stupid internet news. What do we have this week? Sh Okay?

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Speaker 1: I think people publicly be scared to talk about this stuff,

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Speaker 1: we just should okay, because we talk back. We like

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Speaker 1: to give our opinions on things. Um, and if you're mad,

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Speaker 1: talk to your mom about it. Yeah, you know, so okay.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, I think I believe Friday, Um, Ziah

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Speaker 1: the courts. Based on the courts, her name is Ziah

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Speaker 1: All right, what were you about to say? All right,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about my husband, Jonathan, your husband, bitch?

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Speaker 1: drawn to. I like the plants with big leaves. You know,

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00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: um that big leaf energy. It's it's exciting to me.

421
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: It gives the home a jungle I feel. And so

422
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: the money plant because it's got those little bitch athletes,

423
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh not so much. So you said big

424
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: least energy. Is there a plant I could get? Yes

425
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: to have big dick energy in my house? See now,

426
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: is there like to go? Is there a plant likes

427
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: and all that kind of like you're just inhaling the

428
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: like pheromones and shit running. I feel like I feel

429
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: like most plants in general, just because of the fact

430
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: that they helped to increase the oxygen levels in the house.

431
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: That can naturally help with with the erections at the

432
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: very least, if that's what you're Yeah, Dophins, you know, um,

433
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: it can make you happy. It could give you kind

434
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: of like an Adam and Eve kind of like you know,

435
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: like a role playing kind of vibe because you kind

436
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: of pretend to like you in the jungle. You know

437
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, bust out the loin cloths. Okay, you

438
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. Okay, something like you need a

439
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: lot of plants with it, Like I couldn't just get

440
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: one snake plant and then you be at me. You

441
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: could finance it, I say, maybe maybe about at least

442
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: four or five, you know, you want to kind of

443
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: put them around them dead or something expensive though they

444
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: can get expensive. You just gotta know where to go,

445
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: you gotta. I'll tell you about my plug, okay, because

446
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: like when plant I found was like ninety one hundred

447
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: dollars for like one the larger plants. Yeah, it was

448
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: a larger plant. Yeah. So that's just you know, I

449
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: call it a beginner tip. If you're looking for a

450
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: plant that is a bit more affordable and like I said,

451
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: I was broken I got started, so I was looking

452
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: for the cheap plants first and foremost. Go to the clearance.

453
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: If you feel like you might have the ability to

454
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: rehabilitate one that you know look a little sad, then

455
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: that's for you. But the smaller plants are less expensive,

456
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: as you can imagine, because they've invested less time in

457
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: growing it. But you got a big old, you know,

458
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: seven foot money tree, like a fully mature one, then yeah,

459
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: it's gonna cost a little bit more. But I'll also

460
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: be fully transparent because I don't think I really shared

461
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: this all black in the garden podcast. But when I

462
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: first got started, Um, I operated kind of like a

463
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: booster for my own interest. That what you said you

464
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: got convicted. I thought you was telling you no, not

465
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: yet yet, pieces of the plant, maybe allegedly. I mean,

466
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: my mother would be doing that shit. You know, that's

467
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: a controversy that that is in the community of my

468
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: soil cousins, is what I call my fellow plant enthusiasts.

469
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: But no, for real, like I when I used to

470
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: have I don't know, I'd be like, I only got

471
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: thirty dollars this week, but I want that one and

472
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: that bitch is twenty five. So here, here's what we're

473
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna do. Big old plant. It's got a lot of

474
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: stems and stuff in it. So I would purchase, I

475
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: would take it home. I would take out a few

476
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: little pieces and make my own new little plant, and

477
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: I would take her back with the received Okay, I

478
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: feel like we're gonna care to charge that's before I

479
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: got saved. I'm gonna do that. Yes. So look, if

480
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: do you think gardening is you said it's more expensive,

481
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: or do you think it's more expensive than buying food

482
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: at the grocery store? Oh no, no, no, no no, I

483
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that. So buying food at the grocery store,

484
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean right now? Oh okay, yeah, I put it

485
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: in put it in context growing your own food. It

486
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: certainly can be less expensive because consider how much you

487
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: would pay for the ingredients for a salad, which could

488
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: add up to I don't know, let's say thirty dollars. Wow, okay, okay, paycheck,

489
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: ye whole paycheck. So you could spend let's say, on

490
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: the average, about twenty dollars on your salad supplies, or

491
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: you could spend maybe sick dollars on four packs of

492
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: seeds between lettuce, maybe some tomatoes, you know what I'm saying,

493
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: some cucumber, and so you've spent less on that seed investment.

494
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna be real about the time invest It's

495
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: not like you just get it right away. But once

496
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: again another hack, a beginner hack, or even just a

497
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: quick food hack. I call the microgreens the fast food

498
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: of of growing food, okay, as in you can grow

499
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: microgreens very cheaply and quickly in about two weeks. What's

500
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: a microgreen? Microgreens is like the baby version of like spinach, lettuce, whatever.

501
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: That's like when it first sprouts, are you familiar with

502
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: like the plant life's like everybody at least Planet of

503
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: Bean or something in third grade in a lot of

504
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: beans in water exactly, So that first little sprout that

505
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: comes up, what happens with microgreens is like basically, you

506
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: take a handful of seeds and you spread it like

507
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: kind of thickly across the soil surface, and then within

508
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: about a week or two, you'll start to see all

509
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: these little sprouts that have come up. You see microgreens

510
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: before at the store, But that's the process, and it's

511
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: it's a quick turnaround. It's it's a hustle for those

512
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: who are, you know, entrepreneurial enough to be like, hey,

513
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of space because it doesn't

514
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: take a lot of space, and you know, you can

515
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: grow them cheaply and expensively, and that's a cool way

516
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: to have some quick vegetables. And they are also pretty

517
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: healthy because they are good for gut health. You know,

518
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: do a little research to a little google it and

519
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: you'll you'll see. So that's my pro tip. Hat. Yeah,

520
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: it can take some time, but there's ways around that.

521
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: In mushrooms, I also recommend I really might seem like

522
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: they're in Oh yeah, how can we grow our own shrooms?

523
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't know the magic ones, but I know about

524
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: the tasty one and difference way right. They probably do,

525
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: but I haven't researched that. Now I have research like

526
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: growing marijuana. Okay, okay, yeah, we can get into that.

527
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: Um that's on my bucket list. I have like a

528
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: gardening bucket list. So there's certain things, like a twelve

529
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: foot tall sunflower that I would love to be able

530
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: to grow in my lifetime. I haven't quite done that yet,

531
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: but marijuana is one of them. Would the climate here

532
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: be right, can Yeah, I've seen them, like i've We're

533
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: not too far from river, yeah, shout out of atl

534
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've seen not too far from here, I've

535
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: seen sunflowers. Like walking down the street or driving down

536
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: the street over the tall fence, I could see them

537
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: like well over the fence. So it's possible, just you

538
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: have to do it in season. And fun fact, somewhere

539
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: around north of here, I believe there is a sunflower field.

540
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, so that's like something. Of course, the

541
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: sunflowers only come in at a certain time of the year.

542
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking because my term for myself as like

543
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: one who appreciates the business and the entrepreneurial aspects of

544
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: ways to make money growing plants. I think about something

545
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: like a sunflower field as something I would like to

546
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: be able to grow. So I can a have people

547
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: come through and be like, oh, we want to take

548
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: pictures out here. You know, everybody looks having a grammable moment,

549
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 1: and so these are the kind of things that I

550
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: think about in the in that sense, and that's something

551
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: that I would I'm grateful to be able to share

552
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: with y'all on y'all platform like this because in the

553
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: conversation that black people are having about all the things

554
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: that we talk about. We're not talking about this enough.

555
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of bags around horticulture and agriculture

556
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: and stuff like that that we've been We feel next

557
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: to that sunflower fields, to the sunflower field, you know

558
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then the other part with the

559
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: flower field. After you've done taking the pictures and everybody's

560
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: come through and had their moment, we cut the subflowers

561
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: down and we can sell the host just like that,

562
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And we're making money out here.

563
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: People pay good money for six subflowers. You see him

564
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: at the store and you see ma chrait of Joe's

565
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: in them. So I saw that on your Instagram page.

566
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: You had like a connection with blackness, yes, gardening and

567
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: like you had some pictures of some people from like

568
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: the early nineteen hundreds. Yeah, he talked to us about

569
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: that absolutely. So that is my botanical black history series,

570
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: and that series it started with My first year with

571
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: Black in the Garden was twenty nineteen and Novembers when

572
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: I started, and so by February of twenty twenty, I

573
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: was just like cool, first black History Month doing this

574
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: very black horticultural show. So where's the black history in

575
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: relation to people that have been really dope at growing

576
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: plants or just anything related to horticulture or agriculture. Of course,

577
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: the first one to come to mind for most of

578
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 1: us is George Washington Carver. I call him a goat,

579
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: yes the vote of botany, because he truly is. But

580
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: there were two things that happened. One, I learned so

581
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: much more about George Washington Carver in the process of

582
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 1: researching for that series, stuff that I didn't know, stuff

583
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: that I had to share because I'm like, we don't

584
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: know enough about him, Like he was an artist, he

585
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: was actually in his later days friends with Henry Ford.

586
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: Henry Ford like Ford car Motors built an elevator in

587
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: his house because he was sick and he was in

588
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: a wheelchair and he couldn't move around like he needed to.

589
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: They were friends like that, and the other things that

590
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: I was learning about just botanical Black history in general

591
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: was like wow, it was so deep with me wanting

592
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: to get that information and not being able to find

593
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: it on Google. I had to go to library, That's

594
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: what it was. And I was just like, wow, there's

595
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: not enough of this part of our history that's being shared.

596
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: But there's there's so much to explore and I'm still

597
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: still figuring out. Yeah, because I think that goes into

598
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: like land ownership, which we're losing, Okay, so we don't

599
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: even have this space to grow. I found this article online.

600
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: It's a brief history of America's Black farmers from the

601
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: past in presence. So it's twenty four percent of black

602
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: individuals experienced food insecurity, which was more than three times

603
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: a rate of white households. The black community consistently faces

604
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: high rates of hunger due to socio economic and environmental challenges.

605
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: So to address the high rates, a lot of people

606
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: are now like getting into growing their own food because

607
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: once you get get that stuff going, you can feed

608
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: your community. Yeah. Absolutely, but that's something that just wasn't

609
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: passed down, you know, from generations, how to grow food,

610
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: how to uh do preservatives and shit like that. My

611
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: grandmother used to have like a cabinet full of preserve

612
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 1: that she made, and I hate that that I never

613
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: took the time learn how to do it, but she did.

614
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: She did leave behind a recipe book with all that information. Girls, Yeah,

615
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: and learn how to do that. I mean, I'm talking

616
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: about a closet you opened up and it would be

617
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: covered with peaches and apples and pears and just all

618
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Yeah, and it would be so syruply

619
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: sweet though goodness. Yeah that preserve it with the sugar. Yeah, yeah,

620
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: absolutely that. I mean, when you consider the fact that

621
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: historically we have not had refrigeration for it is within

622
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: the history of humans, we've not had refrigeration for longer

623
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: than we have and we've been eating and surviving and thriving,

624
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, and so as we figured out how to

625
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: make the crops last longer or last through the winter,

626
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: then that was a part of what we had to do.

627
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: But I love how you not only mentioned your grandmother,

628
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: but what you mentioned as well about how we're not

629
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: doing that on the scale that we used to. It's

630
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: not as important as us. What I recognized its even recently,

631
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: is it seems like there's a lost generation, and I

632
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: feel like it's kind of generation unfortunately. Let me tell

633
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: you something. We gotta figure out the field because South Carolina. Yeah,

634
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: we'd be in the country and we had us picking

635
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: peas and shelling peas and bugs and shit, and I

636
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: remember it was in the garden in the field and

637
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 1: she was picking something and something bit her on her lending.

638
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: She slapped, I'm going back in the car. Yeah, And

639
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: I got in the car. She the windows was up.

640
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: She wouldn't let the windows down for me. And I

641
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: sat in that car and almost die. Oh my god,

642
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: not trying to be out there in that field. That

643
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: shit different it. Wow, So you said a lot. Yeah,

644
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: that was a lot of little girl seeing all that

645
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: blood pour from her leg and she just slapped it

646
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: like it wasn't Yeah. But my grandmother like was raised

647
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: in the environment. Like I've seen her takedown the hall,

648
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: like chase a hall down. Yeah yeah, yeah, like cut

649
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: your ass dress running down the hall and take it down. Yeah,

650
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: and cut his throat. That's so badass to me though,

651
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: Like that look. I used to think it was like disgusting. Yeah.

652
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: I was a kid now and I wish I knew

653
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: how to do that though. Yeah. Yeah, you just made

654
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: me think about Harriet Tumman. One of the things that

655
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: many people don't know about her legacy, apart from you know,

656
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: freedom in the Underground Railroad, is that she was an herbalist.

657
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: She was a master herbalist. She had to be um

658
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: to the point where she would use certain herbs and

659
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: tink shirts even and especially she had to use something

660
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: to quiet the babies on the underground railroad because you

661
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: can so baby started crying. We we sucked up so

662
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yes, the first Black history backs Harry Tubman,

663
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: the first person to give now y'all using it, y'all

664
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: party freedom. Yes, Harry was doing it for freedom. That's right,

665
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, that makes more sense, right, stupid. Yeah,

666
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: that's that's what it's all about. Yeah. So I'm just

667
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: I cannot say this enough. It's just so exciting to

668
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: be on here talking with y'all because I love y'all

669
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: show the way show, and getting to talk about what

670
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: I talk about, just what I feel like it's in

671
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: a vacuum sometimes because you know, podcasting sometimes feel a

672
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: little isolated, right, And to be able to share this

673
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: with y'all in this way, Um, it's very fun and

674
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: exciting and it matches the vibe of what I create

675
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: on the Black and the Garden podcast because what I

676
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: noticed before I got started, and I saw this is

677
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: the audience that's not being served. Is I noticed that

678
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: when it comes to conversations about plants in horticulture and gardening.

679
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: It's real dry, and it's very much like the stereotypical

680
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: image of gardener is like old and white, right, you know,

681
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: and farmers, yeah, and farmers, And I'm like, no, we

682
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: we out here. When I first started, that's right, when

683
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: I first started outside, like the outdoor aspect of growing stuff,

684
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: I was in Florida. I knew that the gardening bug

685
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: had bitten me. Not the bug that you was talking

686
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: about with your grandma, but like I knew that I

687
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: didn't want to do anything else because I remember being

688
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: out just doing something like very novice kind of landscaping

689
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: around the yard. But as long as I was in

690
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: the soil and I was tending to all the plants

691
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: that I had on the porch and around the porch,

692
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: I never wanted to go in the house. I would

693
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: be sweating buckets, didn't want to eat, I didn't want

694
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: to go pee. I did not want to leave that space.

695
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: It was just I don't know, I don't know what

696
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: it was about it, but I knew that that was

697
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: churning my life around in that way. Because I feel

698
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: like it was just a few years after that when

699
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: I started the podcast. See, I would like to be

700
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: like Jody Mama, like in my yard with like a

701
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: nigga in the bag, like all this shit and I'm

702
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: just drinking my wine. Right, But I live in the

703
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: high rise, So how do I I have like a

704
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: garden on my patio that a nigga at least water?

705
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: What's that way set up? I've seen it. It's like

706
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: a like a little not a wall, but you can

707
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: have little cups like yeah, like the no, no, It's like, oh,

708
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: there's there's so many We do have a lot of options.

709
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: I myself, I don't have a yard right now. I

710
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: have a balcony too, So I'm about you're trying to

711
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: make it work just as well. And so I would

712
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: say you've got to do your assessment of what's going

713
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: on with the light because if you're on the wrong

714
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: side of the building. I am so that there's not

715
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: a lot of sun coming and I'm on twenty four

716
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: so I'm up pretty high. Yeah, I'm really up there.

717
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: So doesn't have to talk offline about that. But I

718
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: would be happy to give you specific tips on your situation.

719
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: But as you can imagine, it varies from situation to situation.

720
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: Can we grew up there can we see why not

721
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: hydro yes? Now we also or cannabis or whatever. It's

722
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: on my bucket list of things to brow because what

723
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: I understand about it before having given it an earnest attempt,

724
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: is that it's it's very it has very specific conditions. Right,

725
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: It's easy to fuck it up, and I want to

726
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: do that. I maybe that you smoke in the past.

727
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm an enthusiast. Absolutely, where do you even get seen

728
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: wherever I get mine from everything in it? You can't

729
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: get see nowhere for you. Disclaimer because we got to

730
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: say this because we I feel like I have said

731
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: enough to have somebody knocking on my door later wherever.

732
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: You know, if you're in a legal place, then you

733
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: got access to the scenes. You know what I'm saying,

734
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: UM ask around. It's they're not hard to find the seeds. Yeah,

735
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: if you give me some weed with seeds in it, yeah,

736
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel like that. That was how well in

737
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: my experience as I've started, since I've started with growing

738
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: and everything. If I was to allegedly have got some

739
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: seeds in the situation, then I might have tried this

740
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: problem and I had success with that with some of them. Yeah,

741
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: I encourage it. All means, don't get mad, just go plant.

742
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a blessing in the sky. It would be like, brother,

743
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: what is this? What is this? My boy? You know

744
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: we're fun exchange whatever we gotta do. All right, So

745
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: if I go home right now and not buy a plant, yes,

746
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: what plant do you feel like that could go in

747
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: my house that I could absolutely not kill? The snake plant?

748
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: Everybody know that? Yes, Well, it was that like hanging

749
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: like the hanging. Oh that's another option. That's the well,

750
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of plants that do that. The vinding

751
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: plants is what we call is what that is? Um.

752
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: A lot of people associate that with their grandmothers or

753
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: with the mall, because those are very popular in the mall.

754
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: And when you think about this is how I approached it,

755
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: once again going back to my intuitive beginnings with how

756
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: figuring out how to take care of some house plants.

757
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: I started it with house plants in Florida, right, And

758
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: so what I was doing was I was observing the plants.

759
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: A lot of the plants that we keep in our

760
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: house in Florida, they just everywhere in people yard. And

761
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: so I'm observing where they're growing. Are they growing in

762
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: the shade or are they growing where the sun is

763
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: like watching them all day? We call that full sun.

764
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: And so if I noticed that a plant was thriving

765
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: in full sun, then I would know that I could

766
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: bring that in my yard and I could put it

767
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: in full sun. So when you see those plants in

768
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: the mall, you can take that queue to know that

769
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: these plants can grow in the house as long as

770
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: there's a reasonable light coming through. Does that make sense right?

771
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: That was the logic that I employed to figure out, Okay,

772
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: And that's so I share that with people so I

773
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: can so you can kind of take note and pay attention.

774
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: So you know, okay, well if I see it growing

775
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: like this, then maybe I can grow in my house.

776
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: Does that make I feel like I don't get a

777
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: lot of natural sunlight in my and you can supplement

778
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: you can get grow lights. That's the thing. It's on.

779
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: You know. I'm gonna try again the website. Please do

780
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: you want to try with the weed, whatever you want

781
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: to do, I'm gonna put it to you like this.

782
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: You need to activate your green thumb and you don't

783
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: want to try to grow some shrooms. Honestly, yeah, I

784
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: was YouTube about it, just like mushrooms or shrooms shows,

785
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: magic shrooms. I want to grow my own because I

786
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: feel like I tried something from other people, but I

787
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: don't know that. What is this for real? Did you

788
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: feel anything? I cried the last time I had a

789
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: lot of shit on my one time? Did you remember

790
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: the picture? My foot had my feet like stuck like

791
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: this for like an hour? O Lord. The first time

792
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: I did him, okay, yeah, But the second time, well,

793
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: I would say the third time, yeah, it made me

794
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: real emotionals. I'm like, man, I need the first one

795
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: because I was meditating chilling one time. I ain't doing

796
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: it no more. I yeah, I had some chocolates one time,

797
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: but I don't feel like anything happened. I think I

798
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: let him ride a little too long because he got

799
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: a no. I was listening to classical music. I don't

800
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: never listen to that. I was listening to classical music

801
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: and I was looking at a painting and I was like,

802
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: zi in the painting, like to the lack, and I

803
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's an island right there. It was nothing.

804
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: It was like an e painting. But I had decided

805
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: that it was an actual place and that's what happened. Yeah,

806
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I wish I could speak from experience like y'all,

807
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: but what I've heard from other people's experience is that

808
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: it depends on where you're emotional and your mindset right

809
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: at the time that you take them, because no trip

810
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: is going to be the same right, So if you

811
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: have something that you need to deal with them, you

812
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: might not have a good trip. So is iowasca another

813
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: plant or is that like that? I don't know enough

814
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: about that. We're we're talking too much about drugs. Let's

815
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: get back to toma. Let's get back to that. Yeah,

816
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: because I am not the expert on psychedelic I'm certainly

817
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: not the expert on the psychedelic. So I'm gonna tell

818
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: y'all what I know and what I don't know. I

819
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: would let you I don't know that. That's what I'm

820
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: doing for my heart girl summer. I'm definitely doing some iawasca,

821
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: Yes this summer, uh Costa Rica someplace. Yeah, it's gonna

822
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: be done when you go, or actually before you go.

823
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: It'll probably easier look into what the botanical garden scene

824
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: is like out there. Find a garden to go to.

825
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: There's really great gardens in the United States. I've been

826
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: to a lot of them, from Sea to Shining Sea.

827
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: Iawasa illegal a lot of places. It's illegal, yes, illegal

828
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: or illegal Okay, whatever. Golace And what a shaman are

829
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: you doing? Yeah? Yeah, I think someplace in California. I'm

830
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: not sure you said, did you think it's legal in California?

831
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: There's somewhere in California where you can go with a

832
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: shaman and do iyahuasca. What if you became the shaman,

833
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: maybe like to help other people? You never know, you

834
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: got to challenge yourself. Um, but in your garden, do

835
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: you have vegetables or is it just like pretty planned

836
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: or do you have like I mean, you know right now,

837
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: I just I just moved just a few months ago,

838
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: and I had been through a transitional period. I'm in

839
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: this reconstruction phase of my life, regrowing, regrow absolutely yeah,

840
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: because I mean life was lifing, divorce was happening. You know,

841
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: my family got really shook up as a result of that.

842
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: And I mean, I know on a show like this,

843
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't have to explain that like coming giving on

844
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: the other side of separation, which ultimately became divorce that

845
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: was very rough, That was very challenging, and I pretty

846
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: much had to like start over, and this starting the

847
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: podcast Black in the Garden, that was a part of it.

848
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: I was already interested in plants, and you know, I

849
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: knew that I was a good communicator and I'd be

850
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: good at podcasting, an avid podcast listener, and so I

851
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: was like, m this is the time to start it.

852
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: And so that definitely was a big part of this,

853
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, new grow for me. So I'm saying all

854
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: that to say that in that transitional and reconstruction phase,

855
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: we finally got stabilized enough to where like I had

856
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: my homegirl keeping my plants for the last year. She

857
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: just brought them back like a month ago. So I

858
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: have the house plants that I have right now now.

859
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: Plants it. Yes, that's the thing all people get in

860
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: another way to get money too and beat up if

861
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: you let my shit die exactly video. That's so funny

862
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: that y'all mentioned that, because she was very emphatic when

863
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: she picked up the plants. She was like, I can't

864
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: guarantee that all of them will be returned to you,

865
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: and that that did end up being true. But I

866
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: had to reassure her, it's okay, I'm going through what

867
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm going through right now, and I care enough about

868
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: these plants to have you take care of them. But

869
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: also what I'm dealing with and getting to the other

870
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: side of it is way more important than if these

871
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: plants survived or not. Okay, I gotta saw alive. I

872
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: gotta take care of me first, right, And so she

873
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: did pretty well. But you know that that's an interesting

874
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: point because like it could have sucked up a friendship.

875
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a little bit sad about you know,

876
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: one of the plants that was my favorite. I didn't

877
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: get it back. It didn't make it. She left it

878
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: outside during the frost and then it died. But you know, um,

879
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: that made our friendship stronger, not just voice shaking. I

880
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: loved her. We taught relationships, get in your business a

881
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: little bit. That's fine. So I know you said you

882
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: were divorced. Do you feel like pandemic ruin your marriage?

883
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: Because I feel like a lot of people were like

884
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: either they marriage got stronger or dissolved during the pandemic.

885
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: No narcissism ruining my Let's talk about it. I did.

886
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: I did the best that I could do not even

887
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: saying that I was perfect, but um, and some of

888
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: the things that I can recall from my experience in

889
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: that marriage, first and foremost because I had to get

890
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: really real with myself, especially as it ended, and be like, yo,

891
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: why did I even do this in the first place.

892
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: I believe I got married when I was about twenty seven,

893
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 1: and full transparency, my thought process was all, you about

894
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: to be thirty soon enough. I was a single mother

895
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: at the time when I got married, so I was like, okay,

896
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: let me get a husband. Okay, we got married really fast,

897
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: which I did not know until long after that that

898
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: was a fucking red flag. Okay, you know, rushing into

899
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: the love body and all that stuff. So yeah, I

900
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: just I came into it, and I very much was like,

901
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: m this is what I feel like I should do

902
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: right now. I want to be somebody's wife. I want

903
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: to get chose. And that was like as deep as

904
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: it went. I mean, of course I liked the guy,

905
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: but it was more so like, look at me, I

906
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: got chose. I'm married. I remember I started this silly Yeah, yes,

907
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: for sure, not no more. I had been delivered. But

908
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: I started a Facebook group and I was very adamant

909
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: about it only being married black women in the w

910
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: like you could not be in the group if you

911
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: was like shacking up or whatever. I was, I was silly,

912
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: but that's mean I'm silly. I have evolved and like

913
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: it's it's telling though, because we all know women who

914
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: operate in that way and that's superficial as fun and

915
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: so as you can imagine that did not really lead

916
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: to their being a deep substance in the meat of

917
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: the core of that relationship. So yeah, I'm I would

918
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: rather be fully honest and transparent, especially about something like

919
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: that that I experienced, if I know that somebody could

920
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: potentially hear this and stop themselves and they tracks from

921
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: going down that path. Because would you get married again?

922
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: Not right now. I would get married again, but it

923
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: would have to be like under the most positive one

924
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: thousand percent. Absolutely, I know that you're not toxic, you've

925
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: been therapized, you've been healed. I would get married again

926
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: under very specific circumstances. And one of those circumstances is

927
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: unpopular stance, which is I don't want to live with

928
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: a nigga. Oh I do not. I always say, like

929
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: when I get married, I do want my own room

930
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: and bathroom same. I want to be able. I know

931
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: my bed and my bedroom is gonna be the nicest part,

932
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: so of course he's gonna sleep in here. But I

933
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: want I don't see how to fuck people get married

934
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: in a one day if he walked past me, for real,

935
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to share in the midst of an argument. Yeah, absolutely,

936
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: I just it's it's not just the experience that I

937
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: had with my marriage. It was like growing up and

938
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: having to clean the piss around the toilet from my dad,

939
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like slipping and sliding and

940
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: like the way that my mom carried it in the

941
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: middle of the night. As the way that my mom

942
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: carried it was very much like okay, you know it's

943
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: you know that dutiful, you know that generation. But for me,

944
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: I was just like growing up in me having to

945
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: do it a lot of the times, and then thinking

946
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: about how do I want that to look when I

947
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: am in a marriage. I was just like, what I

948
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: don't understand is the dick is is like a straight

949
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: line to look at it, but you need to know

950
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: your angle if you got to turn this way to

951
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: hit the toilet, Like why is it your ass down

952
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: and you can't aim sit down. Yeah, it seems like

953
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: it's lady, It's just I don't know. I don't have

954
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: a pen, so I can't really speak to what that

955
00:55:53,440 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: logic is. But y'all do better on the floor. Upset,

956
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: piss me off? Yeah, and then they would get like that, Um,

957
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: if you wait too long to clean it up, it

958
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: would get that really strong kind of ammonia kind of

959
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: what has happened? You went for a plastic piss Wow,

960
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: Because we gotta get into the range of the experience.

961
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. The plants is doing what

962
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: they're doing, but life is what's happening while the plants

963
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: are growing. So that's how I kind of segue into

964
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: these broader conversations, right. I saw recently a post on

965
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: Instagram and it was saying, there's a sixth love language

966
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: that people don't talk about, which is chaos. Like a

967
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: lot of people exactly, So you know I know a

968
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: lot about that, yeah, exactly. So when I heard when

969
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: I heard that, I'm like, man, a lot of people

970
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: out here don't feel loved unless you cust in the

971
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: ass out, so they get you up here. And that's

972
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: the nark that's narcissists. That's exactly that is what I

973
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: was referred to. And I was like, it was a

974
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: lot because I just realized it, you know how it is,

975
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: hindsight has the clearest view, and looking back over some

976
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: of the experiences that I had, and I remember sharing

977
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: an experience about there was a lot of instability, and

978
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: that was another thing that was very frustrating for me,

979
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: especially after I started getting really into plays. We moved

980
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: a lot. There was a lot of instability, like financially,

981
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: and so I just want to have a garden. You

982
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: gotta be stable for that shit, Like you literally when

983
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: they say settled down, put down some roots, I'm literally

984
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: like trying to put these roots down, and we're moving

985
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: so much, and I'm just like, yo, what the fuck.

986
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: And then I remember sharing it with someone, a woman

987
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: who I didn't even know her that well, but I

988
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: shared one example of how we were in a really

989
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: good position and I was making good money and he

990
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: had just started a job and and somehow like it

991
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: just happened so fast where he ended up being unemployed again,

992
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: and it seemed like it was intentional. And so the

993
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: person I was talking to, she was like they were

994
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: pulling the rug from under themselves because for that love

995
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: language of chaos. Just speaking to that, she was saying

996
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: that some people they don't feel comfortable when things are

997
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: going well, they need to sabotage it so that they

998
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: can see it, so that they know where the swerve

999
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: is going to be, rather than anticipating that they're gonna

1000
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: get bust in the face by life. And that's such

1001
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: a scarcity, Like this is the mindset there is like,

1002
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, but yeah, it just it wasn't fun.

1003
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: So on the other side of it, and the you

1004
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: know how they say do bad by yourself and that

1005
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: reconstruction that I was indicating that was me doing bad

1006
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: by myself. But I enjoyed it because I was just like,

1007
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: I ain't nobody to blame but me, and I get

1008
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: to have full autonomy and I get to be the

1009
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: captain and the navigator of this ship. And I got

1010
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: it right. You know, um Black and mc gardener was

1011
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: happening the whole time. Although whatever might have been happening

1012
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: for me personally, I'm extremely resilient, you know, just like

1013
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: these plants out here, Um, well, not your plans because

1014
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: struggling struggling and just being as resilient as I know

1015
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: that I am. I was just like, I get through this,

1016
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: and the podcast is just steadily There's always always been

1017
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: opportunities coming from it to the point where now I'm

1018
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: full time at it and it's sustains me and my kids.

1019
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, I have three kids. Okay, so let's talk

1020
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: his coloring book, because I saw that you sold a lot. Oh,

1021
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: I was supposed to get one in Memphis to stay

1022
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: right here. We got him. Yes, So what made you decide, Hey,

1023
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to create a coloring book and I'll sell it. Yes.

1024
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: I love that question so much because there's a lot

1025
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: of parts to that. So it's the Black in the

1026
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: Garden coloring experience, right, and it's the experience. It is

1027
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: a book, obviously, but I callow the experience because every

1028
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: page that features a person an illustration of a person

1029
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: that you can color is a guest that has been

1030
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: on the show. So early in the podcast, as things

1031
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: were coming together, like I just mentioned, like things were

1032
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: going well with that. It's like every corner that I turned,

1033
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: somebody was there to help me move it forward. And

1034
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: one of those people was Paula Champagne, who is the

1035
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: illustrator that has that branded black in the garden as

1036
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: you see it, and you know, like that really cute

1037
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: illustration of the podcast logo, and she illustrated my guests

1038
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: for like two years. Every guest that I had on

1039
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: the show was a cute little illustration of the podcast cover.

1040
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 1: And so you look on my Instagram, you can see

1041
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: all those pictures, and I just did these Valentine grims

1042
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: featuring those illustrations. But I was looking at him and

1043
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, why would do a calendar with these?

1044
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: Because you know, podcasting, we try to make money, right,

1045
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean some merch okay, and yeah we did T shirts,

1046
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: Yeah we did stickers or whatever. But I'm the think

1047
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: out of the box kind of girl. So I was

1048
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: like m And I'm also very much like a marketing nerd,

1049
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking of, like, how do we get more

1050
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: visibility and brand recognition from this? And when I realized, okay,

1051
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: what if you just convert the illustrations into coloring pages,

1052
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: then I knew that I had to do that. And

1053
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: that was also low key inspired by the podcast that

1054
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: my kids listen to, because my kids listen to podcasts

1055
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: as well, they listen to this show called Circle Round,

1056
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: And I'll admit sometimes I'm a lazy mom. I don't

1057
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: read them a bedtime story. But i'd be like, y'all

1058
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: lay down and y'all listen to y'all podcasts and say,

1059
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: this is malatony that was hurting me. That's what she

1060
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: dock I would listen to. I listened to it with them.

1061
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes we listen to it when we're taking a road

1062
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: trip or something like that. And I noticed that they

1063
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: mentioned that they had coloring pages for some of the stories,

1064
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: because it's like fairy tales, and so I was just like,

1065
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: that seat was planted like probably years before I even

1066
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: thought of the coloring experience. But yeah, it's called the

1067
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: coloring experience because everybody that is in there has been

1068
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,959
Speaker 1: a guest. So I was like, yo, what it looked

1069
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: like when you got the coloring book and you coloring

1070
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: the person while you listening to them talk. That's an experience.

1071
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: And so that's the marketing aspect of it and the

1072
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: listener engagement aspect of the where it's like I want

1073
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: to bring y'all all the way into this world with me,

1074
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: soil cousins. But also there's a representation aspect. It is

1075
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: an adult coloring book, but coloring books by default are

1076
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: very appealing to children. And so the other thing I

1077
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: know about children, especially black children, as I recall what

1078
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: it was like for me, when I think about, damn,

1079
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: what would it have looked like if it was somebody

1080
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: like me, somebody like you know, cuton and fun and

1081
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: charismatic like me, that came into my classroom or my

1082
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: after school program or whatever telling me how cool it

1083
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: would be to do this plant stuff. So I think

1084
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: about it like that, and I think about how that

1085
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: equates to children not seeing themselves in this, and I'm like, yo,

1086
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: I know, a coloring book is not going to change

1087
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: the world. It's not gonna necessarily make the child that

1088
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: is coloring in it want to be a botanist or whatever.

1089
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: But at least they will see, oh, this is this

1090
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: is black people with plants. There's this lady on the

1091
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: cover like hugging a fern, you know. So that's that's

1092
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: another part of it too, is I want the kids

1093
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: to get inspired to get into um at least plants,

1094
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: but absolutely a plant career field because it's dominated by

1095
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: white people and it's a lot of money in it,

1096
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: and that's good for our economic development of course. But

1097
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: there's so many benefits to being you know, involved with

1098
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: plants in nature because you know, wellness and peace and

1099
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: all of that kind. Yeah. Yeah, speaking of the kids,

1100
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: like one of the things, like one of my goals

1101
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: in life, I would like to build a like a school,

1102
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: right because most schools, hospitals, prisons, they look alike. So

1103
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: what if you had a dome like school, open kids inside,

1104
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: they can actually grow? Yeah with light. Kanye just did

1105
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: that in La He don't have in a dome. Not

1106
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: in a dome they no, oh no, saying don to school.

1107
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, because by the time kids get out of school,

1108
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: you're missing sunlight, you know what I'm saying. So you're

1109
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: not getting the shit you need to actually grow properly

1110
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: like human beings. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So

1111
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: why not have like the kids in like a just

1112
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: sunlight coming in there? Kids? I want that. I love that.

1113
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: I mean shout out to you for for thinking in

1114
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: that way. That's I call a vision. A little cold.

1115
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: I think about the giant was teacher, Uh real shit

1116
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: at his school? It was not cold, is it anymore?

1117
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Maybe the funding with the money,

1118
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: but was there anything related to gardening in that school? Possibly.

1119
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: I don't know really anything about the school. I just

1120
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: heard that it may have clothes. Well, what we do

1121
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 1: a saying we called dumbach story. I knew you don't

1122
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: heard the show, so I think you've heard it. We

1123
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: need you to share. Come on, girl, to tell listen story.

1124
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: Dumb that story, dumb bit story, because we've all been

1125
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: a dumb bitch at least twice. Wow. And I knew

1126
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: this moment was coming in just because Wow, you're dating

1127
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: right now. I'm not dating right now. Um. I just

1128
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: I tried to dip my toe in, but I was

1129
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: very unimpressed and I just took it right back out.

1130
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: I was just like, what is this? I don't I

1131
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: don't know, y'all. Um. And it's has everything to do

1132
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: with the fact that I've fully gotten into this era

1133
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: of my life where I am an entrepreneur and I

1134
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: had to back in twenty twenty when I was just

1135
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: starting to feel that way and I was trying to

1136
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: figure out, like what you know, just talking to people

1137
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: and recognizing that there was a big disconnect and it

1138
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: was between anybody. I tried to talk to you, and

1139
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: I googled it and I was like, how do you

1140
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: date as an entrepreneur? And that helped a lot because

1141
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: it was indicating there it's a different way of operating.

1142
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: The person that you're that you're trying to build with,

1143
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: they have to understand the way that that lifestyle works

1144
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: because it's a way of life. And so I was

1145
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: just like, nah, I can't, I can't fool with y'all.

1146
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 1: Y'all are silly, and you know, the odds didn't feel

1147
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: like they was in my favor. So no, I'm not

1148
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: interested in dating. And I feel like the taste for dick,

1149
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: not dick so much, well maybe sometimes a lot of

1150
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: times actually acquire like you know, wanting to have a

1151
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: man all the time has been really taken out of

1152
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: my mouth. And I'm very much like focused on building

1153
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: the business, scaling the business. That's really important to me.

1154
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: You know, um and I and any anytime I've just

1155
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: tried to you know, let me see what you're talking about, bot,

1156
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: they don't be talking about nothing. You try to run

1157
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: away from the dumba y'all tangent y'all me. Okay, So

1158
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: what's the dumbag story. UM, help me narrow it down.

1159
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: I have a lot. Okay, Oh my god, I have

1160
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: so many the time that you felt most play like,

1161
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: I cannot believe this man just did all right, this

1162
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 1: man to do this to me. Let's get into it. Um.

1163
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: I've never said this on the recording. I got ghosted

1164
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: one time. Okay. Um. I mentioned to y'all before we

1165
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: got started. In my past life, I was a trucker

1166
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: and I initially began trucking when I was very young

1167
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: and hot, at the age of twenty one. Okay, thotting

1168
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: out in these streets. Well the trucker you saying like

1169
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: you was driving, I was driving an eighteen wheeler. That

1170
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: was my first foray into like a professional grown up job. Okay,

1171
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: a whole way of life once again. And I remember

1172
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: there was someone who I was like my situation ship. Um,

1173
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: they was top notch. It was so good, and so

1174
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: we would we was both trucking, and so were thought

1175
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: in the truck. So we would find each other. Yes,

1176
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: all those things we would not you driving lotless that

1177
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: I got a story. I want to start a podcast

1178
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: on that. That's another top story for another time. That's

1179
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: gonna be a good one. But I remember, um, me

1180
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: and him, we would keep in contact with each other

1181
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: regularly enough so that we knew where we was gonna

1182
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: be at because you got to coordinate. You can't not

1183
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: at the house. It's like, Oh, you're gonna be in Charlotte, Okay, boom,

1184
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: I'll be there tomorrow. You still gonna be there, or

1185
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: we'll meet somewhere along the way. Y'all was sucking in

1186
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: the truck. Yes we were. We fucking like at least

1187
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: six different states. It was. It was never bad. But

1188
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: I remember it was his birthday. Um. He had like

1189
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: three baby mamas by the way. UM, I remember his

1190
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: birthday was coming up. I was in Texas. He lived

1191
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 1: in Memphis, and I remember driving up from like Dallas

1192
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: to Memphis like NonStop, like just I stopped maybe once

1193
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: to get fuel and to pee. But I knew that

1194
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: it was his birthday. I was pulling up and we

1195
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: was gonna do what we do. I got there, I

1196
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: let him know I was there. I hear from I

1197
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: was ghost Damn. I would oh my god, yeah that

1198
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: was I was so. But the dumb bitch part about

1199
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: it was, um so that happened. I remember, like I

1200
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: really did cry at night. You know, you come back,

1201
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: Did you have a load going there? At least I

1202
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: didn't have a loading back. I feel like I did

1203
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: have a little going there because that was the only

1204
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 1: way I could justify making that long of a trip,

1205
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: like right, So it worked out, you know, I otherwise

1206
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: would not have driven that far in that short amount

1207
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: of time. It wasn't necessary. I had more time to

1208
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: get it delivered. But the dumb bitch part was after that,

1209
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: Like I was young, you know, I was still figuring

1210
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,839
Speaker 1: shit out. But I remember like driving and just continue

1211
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: with the job. But I was like really hurt, and

1212
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: every truck that passed, I'm looking like listen, you know,

1213
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: like because I knew what his truck looked like, and

1214
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm just looking in every truck, every truck. For months,

1215
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember how long this went, but then we

1216
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: pulled up. I pulled up one day. I remember I

1217
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: had what we call a reefer, a refrigerated truck, and

1218
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: so I remember I was somewhere in Tennessee. I pulled

1219
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: up to yogurt factory to get a load of yogurt,

1220
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: and I remember going in talking to whoever I talked

1221
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: to getting the papers, get ready to get loaded. I

1222
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: look up and there he go. And I was just like, okay,

1223
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: when you found each other again, we fucked that night.

1224
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: You fucked him again. Yeah, that was a dumbitch part

1225
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: because I had no business. What did he say? Why

1226
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: he would he wouldn't miss it. He really didn't have

1227
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: to say much of anything. Again, I was just happy

1228
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: to see. I was like, so, of course, naturally, first

1229
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: where he was at? What happened? Oh yeah, so like

1230
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: my daughter had dropped the phone and the toilet or whatever,

1231
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: and then I lost all my contacts. That's what I

1232
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: remember him saying. And I also remember, and this is

1233
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: just adding layers to the dumb bitchness of it all.

1234
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: It's an illness. I remember he kind of smirked, and

1235
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: I was just like something registered in my mind, like, damn,

1236
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: he really think I'm stupid? You know what I'm saying.

1237
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 1: Because the thing is, if for any dumb bitch story

1238
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: that I have, it was always I knew what I

1239
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: was doing. I knew I was being dumb, Like I

1240
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: knew that you should not operate like this, but still

1241
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: I proceeded so well, you ain't the only one, and

1242
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 1: you ain't the first on the last on the truck.

1243
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: I ain't the truck. Well, I mean you was driving

1244
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: the truck, so he was getting paid at least you

1245
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: grab period. So there was you know, there's a bed.

1246
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: For those of that are not familiar with how that

1247
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 1: that works. Um, sure you could always go get a hotel. Um,

1248
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: but I stayed in the truck. You know, I'm saving

1249
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: my money. I'm not out here to spend all my

1250
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: money while I'm on the road. That stuff adds up.

1251
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a bunk and there's two beads in there,

1252
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: so yeah, we was getting it in. He was a

1253
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: great time. So then next time that was the last time.

1254
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: It might have been one more time after that, but

1255
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: I feel like she kept sucking his ass. I can't

1256
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: even I can't. I don't even know where he at.

1257
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: I kind of wish I knew, though I don't. They

1258
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: had Facebook everybody on there. I feel like the last

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Speaker 1: time I saw him was um, like two thousand, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, five or something. So this tell everybody where

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Speaker 1: they can find you, Where they can find your coloring book,

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Speaker 1: where they tell us drop everything that you're doing right here, No,

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Speaker 1: you can find go to b LK and the Garden

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Speaker 1: dot com that is b lk because something happened with

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Speaker 1: the other domain. Don't don't fault me for that. But

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Speaker 1: that is my website and that will link you to

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Speaker 1: you know, all the socials and stuff. But the main

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Speaker 1: social media platform that I use this Instagram, and you

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Speaker 1: can find me there with my handle Black in the Garden,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I do the Twitter and all that other

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I'm scared of TikTok y'all, but I'll

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Speaker 1: figure that out. It's so intimidating, but it's also so fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, you can find me there, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I've guessed it on a bunch of other shows and

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Speaker 1: all that other good stuff. But if you want to

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Speaker 1: support me, absolutely by all means, get the Black and

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Speaker 1: the Garden Coloring Experience, h and whatever else I have

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Speaker 1: to offer on the website. Because I have to feed

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Speaker 1: these kids. I need to get me some more players.

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Speaker 1: I need to get a house so I can have

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Speaker 1: me a whole yard, and you know I can bring

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Speaker 1: you over there and you get your Jody Home Wrestle

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, we deserve this at your house. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll see at your house. See I'm just like in

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Speaker 1: both of us, I'm we're just smoking allegedly allegedly. Ye,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate y'all. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I don't drop this shit up all right, y'all listen.

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Speaker 1: So if you enjoyed this episode, please tune in every

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Speaker 1: Thursday on your I heart rate