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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another installment of Inside the Draft right here

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Speaker 1: Oncolts dot Com. I am Casey Valier inside the Power

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Speaker 1: Home Solar Radio Studio, and we are excited to talk

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Speaker 1: to Charlie Campbell, who is a draft analyst at Walter

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Speaker 1: Football dot Com. Charlie, thank you so much for the

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Speaker 1: time and appreciate you taking the time to talk to us.

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Speaker 1: How you doing. I'm doing great. It's great to be

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Speaker 1: back with you guys. It's fun to do this every year.

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Speaker 1: So really excited for this draft and I think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be really fascinating gear for the draft and really

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Speaker 1: gonna be exciting fun, especially first two days of the draft. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're ramping up. We're about a month away,

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Speaker 1: which is wild. I'm sure for you. You know, this

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Speaker 1: last month it's it's like, all right, it's finally here.

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Speaker 1: You've been talking about it for so long. You're probably

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Speaker 1: ready for all of this stuff to start. So what's

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Speaker 1: this next month like for you? Well, yeah, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of at the point of ready for the picks.

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Speaker 1: To start coming in and I work a draft pretty

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Speaker 1: much each class the year round. So I started this

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see where these teams end up

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Speaker 1: going with some of these decisions, and where these players

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Speaker 1: end up landing. So all I have left is just

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Speaker 1: a few more series of articles to finish up, and

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Speaker 1: then I'm really just focusing on getting as much information

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Speaker 1: as I can from team people to have a really

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Speaker 1: accurate final mock draft, you know, give our readers really

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Speaker 1: accurate information as to where players might go and what

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Speaker 1: round and to what teams and and what range and

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Speaker 1: all of that. So I'll be grinding my phone hard

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Speaker 1: and texting and irritating my wife because I'm on it

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Speaker 1: all the time. But but that's this is going to

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Speaker 1: be a great final month. I'm excited. Well, I know

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Speaker 1: for people like me. You know, I love going to

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Speaker 1: walter Football dot com. In my opinion, it's the best

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Speaker 1: place to get any draft stuff. So I appreciate all

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Speaker 1: to do, all you do and the hard work. I've

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Speaker 1: got one question before we kind of dive into the prospects.

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Speaker 1: I want to get kind of your general view from

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Speaker 1: your perspective on how the mock drafts have changed. I

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Speaker 1: think this is the most shuffling we've seen throughout the

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Speaker 1: NFL during this free agency period in trade. So how

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Speaker 1: much have you seen it change from like, you know,

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Speaker 1: your original mock drafts, say, you know, before the combine

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Speaker 1: to where we are now? Oh yeah, I mean this

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Speaker 1: year has been the most you know, chaotic and exciting

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Speaker 1: and interactive year for player movement. You know, when you

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Speaker 1: think of you got all these starting quarterbacks that were traded,

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Speaker 1: we don't typically see that with Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz all traded, and then you know

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Speaker 1: you have those big dominoes that fall, and then you

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Speaker 1: get these other unexpected trades of Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 1: looks completely different now than it did before the combine. So,

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Speaker 1: the NFL to have this kind of movement. I mean agreed,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a guy who grew up playing video

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Speaker 1: almost like I'm watching a game of Madden unfold in

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Speaker 1: real life, you know. Sticking with the Colts perspective, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned quarterbacks on the move, and the Colts have a

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Speaker 1: him in the you know, in the now, but you're

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Speaker 1: by Charlie Campbell of Walter Football dot Com right here

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Speaker 1: on Inside the Draft now, sticking with the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: I know I mentioned earlier that. You know, they say

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Speaker 1: justin Jefferson to talk about impactful guys in that first day,

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Speaker 1: to draw on Day two. Obviously, the Colts landed a

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Speaker 1: so much. I really appreciate and hopefully we can talk

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