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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is not They call

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Paul mission controlled decands. Most importantly, you are you,

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. This is our Coronavirus COVID nineteen

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Speaker 1: episode or Part two in what unfortunately will be a

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Speaker 1: continuing series. As we've been doing recently. We wanted to

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Speaker 1: we want to connect with our fellow listeners on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: so it's time again for Twitter roll call. Today's message

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Speaker 1: comes from Grumman six hundred, who says, uh, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: man charged with terroristic threats for allegedly coughing on Wegman's worker.

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Speaker 1: It's a headline, um. And then he sends us a link.

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Speaker 1: Uh and that Wegmans I think is a chain of

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Speaker 1: grocery stores right in New Jersey. Yeah, that's that's correct.

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Speaker 1: This this tweet was interesting to me because it's part

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Speaker 1: of a larger conversation that's happening now, at least in

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Speaker 1: laws that would ordinarily apply to terrorism. As wild as

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Speaker 1: that sounds, that is in the cards. What's sort of like, um,

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Speaker 1: extreme example of that so far as we record, which

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Speaker 1: spread it. Very strange, very strange. God. Our next Twitter

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Speaker 1: shout out comes from fraky Fire, who has written into

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Speaker 1: the show before. Frakie, you said, currently catching up on

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Speaker 1: some conspiracy stuff episodes and listening to the one on

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen from a few weeks ago as a strange experience.

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Speaker 1: It's like a time capsule of the moment right before

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Speaker 1: everything went crazy. And you know this, this struck a

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Speaker 1: evolved since then, and now it's almost like a completely

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Speaker 1: that's why we're making this episode. You know what's interesting

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Speaker 1: to me is how quickly our brains adapt and normalize

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Speaker 1: the stock market, that's getting bailed out unsuccessfully. We should

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Speaker 1: note with some schaden freud, if you look at the

432
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Speaker 1: economy that that matters to people on the ground, then

433
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: it was not a healthy body when this infection entered.

434
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Speaker 1: There is a you know, it's often said that a

435
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: large share of people in the United States UH couldn't

436
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: cover an emergency four hundred dollar expense. Now, economists, practitioners

437
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: of what's called the dismal science, often have their own

438
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: political agendas. So you'll hear people on various policy platforms

439
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: say that's not entirely true. But what is, you know,

440
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: But whatever their opinion or their agenda is, the simple

441
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that even if COVID nineteen

442
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: never hit, financially, a lot of people are in dire straits.

443
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: Student loans are affecting a young demographic of this country

444
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: at such a massive scale that they're you know, not

445
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: having kids, they're not buying houses, They're laboring under something

446
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: that even bankruptcy won't erase. UH. Single medical emergency can

447
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: render even a well to do American household with two

448
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: income earners all the jazz it can, it can render

449
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: them bankrupt. They will be out on the street again

450
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: that is all before this pandemic hit. And now, um,

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Speaker 1: to your point, Matt, maybe people are unifying a little

452
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: bit more because they're starting to realize, um, how bad

453
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: things were before this began. Like, what's what's that old joke?

454
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a meme that you guys have seen

455
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: before where someone says, uh, they're talking to a cashier

456
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: and they say, wow, you know here the economy is great,

457
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: employment numbers are way up, and the cashier says, yeah,

458
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: tell me about it. I have three jobs myself. Um It.

459
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: I hate to laugh because maybe it's not the appropriate

460
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: time for gallows humor. But if if the depending on

461
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: how this is handled, we could we could very easily

462
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: enter a depression. Uh. And I don't want to be alarmists,

463
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: but it's something that we all need to be cognizant

464
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: of in the coming weeks and months well. And the

465
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: distribution of wealth too, that that we keep hearing about,

466
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: how you know, the top one per cent or whatever.

467
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is this is exposing that rot

468
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: kind of and how there's so many people that are

469
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: just being eviscerated by this. My my ex wife, who

470
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm very very close with, she is a massage therapist

471
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: gone no business, It's over, you know. I mean she

472
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: had to shut her her shop down. Her husband works

473
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: in the film industry, shuttered every single production, no work.

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Speaker 1: You know. Um, we're we're very lucky that we're able

475
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Speaker 1: to keep doing what we're doing from home. I mean,

476
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: we're incredibly lucky. I think, knock on wood every every day.

477
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: But I know many many people that are affected by

478
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Speaker 1: this directly. I have a question for you, guys, how

479
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Speaker 1: do you feel about the sort of mothering and the

480
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: race baiting elements that are starting to pop up, where

481
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: this idea of this as the quote unquote Chinese flu

482
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: and like like already setting the cards up to blame

483
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: another for this and to create an adversary that we

484
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: can actually, you know, fight with. I would say a scapegoat, right, because,

485
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Speaker 1: interestingly enough, there were a couple of statements from the

486
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Speaker 1: federal government here that blamed the Obama administration, the previous

487
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Speaker 1: presidential administration. And I was thinking, you know, as someone

488
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Speaker 1: who spends a great deal of time investigating conspiracy theories,

489
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing political leanings aside that

490
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: at some point during his presidency, uh, the Obama administration

491
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: said hey, let's release a pandemic in twenties money and

492
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: then did like the steeple their fingers all Monty Burn style.

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00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: That's just ridiculous. And you're right. You're not only right

494
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: about this country, dude, but other countries, as we'll find

495
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: later in this episode, other countries have been doing the

496
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: same thing. It's a global phenomenon. It's uh, it's unfortunate,

497
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: it's laughable, and it has a very it has very

498
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Speaker 1: real potential to lead to human deaths. Uh So this like,

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Speaker 1: you know, here in Atlanta, we've seen Asian American members

500
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: of the population get verbally abused. Uh getta get even

501
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: not here in Atlanta, that you know, but in parts

502
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 1: of the US, in parts of this country, there are

503
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Speaker 1: people who are getting the crap beat out of them

504
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: because they happen to look to their racist abusers, to

505
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: these criminals, they happen to look Asian. And uh that

506
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: that's truly, it's truly a disgusting thing. But I think

507
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Speaker 1: it's also indicative of that underwhelming feat or that underlying fear.

508
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: You know, people want something, like you're saying, people want

509
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Speaker 1: something else to blame. They want something they can hit

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00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: that's the same reason why and I'll say it. We

511
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Speaker 1: don't talk about too much on on the show, but

512
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Speaker 1: I'll say that's the same reason why the tragedy of

513
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: September eleventh, two thousand and one lad to UH lead

514
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: to a large scale military operation in countries that had

515
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the tragedy. We needed someone to blame,

516
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: something to react to. You know what I mean? Am

517
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: I sounding crazy? No? No, No, that's exactly what it

518
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Speaker 1: is been. I mean, because you can't fight, you know, uh,

519
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: a virus. You can't really be angry at a virus.

520
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 1: You know, you can't shake your fist at it and

521
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: and call it horrible names. I mean, you could, but

522
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to assign blame to a country

523
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: that maybe we don't fully understand and maybe we already

524
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: are at odds with and culturally different than in many

525
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: other ways. It's just kind an easy scapegoat, like you say,

526
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: And to see that violence happen and actually playing out

527
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: with actual neighbors, you know, and people that live with

528
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: us and and next to us, is really really sad,

529
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: and that that's the that that sides can't handle that

530
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's just taking a terrible situation

531
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: and just making it worse and allowing it to just

532
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: poison daily life and and and create this toxic environment.

533
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: I mean, they're already you were talking about the headline

534
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: at the top of the show about the gentleman that

535
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: was being accused of I believe terrorist threats for you know,

536
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: coughing on people. I mean, I'm seeing fights breaking out

537
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: at grocery stores where people are like, you know, stay

538
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: away from me, or I'll you know, hit you. I

539
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: mean that this is another the race thing. This is

540
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: literally just people being scared, and the atmosphere is already

541
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Speaker 1: one of paranoia and fear. To introduce that hatred into

542
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: it is just more than I can handle. You know,

543
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: A great way to contract COVID nineteen getting a close

544
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: combat situation with somebody, So like, maybe maybe layoff everybody

545
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: out there. Um, I'm gonna put something out here because

546
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: I know we need to move on. This is just

547
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: some I guess more of a shower thought. Let's say, um,

548
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: what if this is part of our super organisms move

549
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: toward the evolution of our species and toward the towards

550
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: the bringing on of this singularity where every not every,

551
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: but I would say a ton of people out there

552
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: working in some form of coding, some form of situation

553
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: where you only need a computer and an Internet connection

554
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: can function with their job specifically to assist in some

555
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: kind of electronic or um artificially intelligent field. Those jobs

556
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: are secure, those people will continue to function, and that

557
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: machine will continue to run just perfectly in this situation,

558
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: no matter what the pandemic, You can run that stuff

559
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: as long as the main, the major systems of electricity

560
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: and interconnectivity are functioning. Yeah. Yeah, well, I don't know

561
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: what do you think? I I see what I see

562
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: what you're saying, because there there's no question that we

563
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: are in um. I'll take ownership of this because I

564
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: screwed up and introduced the phrase. But we are going

565
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: to enter a new normal. You know, imagine a world

566
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: where people are so averse to physical interaction that you're

567
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: the majority of people you interact with. You do so

568
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: through an online platform or some sort of distancing like

569
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: a telephone or video conference, and you only meet people

570
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: in person on rare, almost ritualistic occasions. You know, you'll

571
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: date someone for years online and then you maybe you

572
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: meet when you move in together and put your weird

573
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: VR battle stations in the same room. And that's true love.

574
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: It's not like we don't have a head start already.

575
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I mean, We're so isolated

576
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: in that way through technology already. I mean, even my daughter,

577
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, so much of her interactions and her friendships

578
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: are internet based. I just took her to see a

579
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: movie with a friend that she told me it was

580
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: her friends she'd known for years, and I realized they

581
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: were meeting for the first time in person that night

582
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: at that movie. It was a friend she made like

583
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: on this TikTok app with somebody local. And then before

584
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: any parents out there say you're crazy to let your

585
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: daughter it was somebody was a mutual friend of another friend.

586
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't just some random person on the internet. But

587
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: I was shocked when she said, oh, yeah, I haven't

588
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: met her in person before, and she'd known her for

589
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: like over a year. I just thought, you know, it's

590
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: it's a very we do have a head start towards

591
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: that extreme version of the sciety of the already living

592
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: in right now that you're describing. You know, yeah, yeah, agreed.

593
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you know, many of us

594
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: are many of us are a big fans of podcasts,

595
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, both making them and listening to them. And

596
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: to your point about head start, Uh, you know we

597
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: have just just the four of us. Uh. We have

598
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: forged what we feel our sincere relationships with many of

599
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: our fellow listeners, people that we have never met, but

600
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: we know, like, we know stuff about each other, the

601
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: kind of details friends know, you know. So shout out

602
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: to Simon Workman for instance. Uh, shout out to multiple

603
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: people who like we talk to each other. We are

604
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: a community which will come into play later. And quick

605
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: shout out to Blake, who got a weird call for

606
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: me last night while I was in my car. Yeah,

607
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: I hope you're doing well. I hope everything's going well, buddy. Yeah.

608
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: And and I think that's tremendously important because the human

609
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: the human connection, our souls, if you want to use

610
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: that word, should not be bound by geography, should not

611
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: be bound by location. Um. And before I get to

612
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: Ted Talkie, I do want to put in one more

613
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: bad scenario. I'll just plan a seed and we can

614
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: move on to good stuff. Uh. One one more incredibly

615
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: plausible bad scenario that everyone should be thinking about is

616
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: this This is the perfect opportunity for an authoritarian government

617
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: to crack down on something. This is also the perfect

618
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: opportunity for a republic or democracy to shift to an

619
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: authoritarian mode of governance. And speaking of headstarts, we kind

620
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: of have that too, don't we in place right now?

621
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Speaker 1: In terms of the climate, the political climate right now?

622
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm not seeing inklings of moving towards that,

623
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: But you're right, it wouldn't take much ben you're seeing

624
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: are you not seeing? But really, honestly, how how is

625
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: the November election is going to happen? Oh? That's a

626
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: I've been working on some stuff there. I want to

627
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: I want to pitch you guys on this. I I'm

628
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: gonna say it's not looking good. I know we're a

629
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: long way away. We're a long way away from Are

630
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: are we met? Are we? But relatively and given the

631
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: severity of what's going on, and depending on what we

632
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: see and just the next few days or weeks, especially months, uh,

633
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: we could be in a real situation where we have

634
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: to like we suspended tax day here in the United States,

635
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: or we we pushed it back, at least we pushed

636
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: back all kinds of um just within you know, personally,

637
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: healthcare deadlines and things like that. All kinds of things

638
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: like that are getting pushed back. Why would the November

639
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: election not end up getting pushed back for how long?

640
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: What does that look like? What does that mean? How

641
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: does that change stuff that's written in the constitution. It's

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Speaker 1: a really weird place we're going to. So why why

643
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Speaker 1: is it okay to do the census online but we

644
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Speaker 1: can't vote online? I've always wondered that. I've always wondered

645
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Speaker 1: why there wasn't more of a robust vote from home

646
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Speaker 1: situation or like it seems very antiquated the way we

647
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Speaker 1: conduct elections, the technology and the deployment of technology in

648
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Speaker 1: the voting process. Again here in the United States, is

649
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Speaker 1: is often moving at a glacial pace because every every

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Speaker 1: side capable of having voice in there, every side capable

651
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Speaker 1: of making a decision, has and has an agenda. You know.

652
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Speaker 1: It's like it's like with uh, It's like a company.

653
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Speaker 1: A corporation's goal is to make it shareholders happy, make

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Speaker 1: a year over year profit. Right, That's how capitalism works.

655
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Speaker 1: A political party's goal is going to tend to be

656
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Speaker 1: to strengthen the position of that political party. Therefore, they're

657
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Speaker 1: going to be adverse to moves that they see as

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Speaker 1: helping quote unquote other side, and they're going to be

659
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Speaker 1: very bullish on moves that they see as giving them

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Speaker 1: an advantage. So when it comes to it's like that

661
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Speaker 1: old um, that old quotation from India, when elephants wage war,

662
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Speaker 1: the grass suffers. Technologically, we absolutely could be voting online

663
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Speaker 1: or be voting by mail, but the opportunities for corruption

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Speaker 1: would have to be addressed in a substantive way. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, to your point, Noel, we can clearly do it.

666
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Speaker 1: The technology is there. We have the technology, as they

667
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Speaker 1: used to say in the six million Dollar Man, we

668
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Speaker 1: don't have the legislation and we don't we frankly do

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Speaker 1: not have enough honest caretakers of policy for that legislation

670
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Speaker 1: to be created, to be approved, and to be implemented. Technology,

671
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Speaker 1: as you know, long time listeners will always outpace legislation.

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Speaker 1: I think we I think it's fair to say you

673
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Speaker 1: know that, Uh, this government again just here in the US,

674
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Speaker 1: is still kind of playing catch up to television. We

675
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Speaker 1: never really figured out how to handle TV, and you know,

676
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Speaker 1: let alone MySpace, let alone TikTok. It's it's a crazy

677
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Speaker 1: time to be alive. It's true. Should we silver lining

678
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Speaker 1: playbook it? Now? What do you think? Yeah, let's go

679
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Speaker 1: for it. Good scenarios, Good scenarios. Well, let's look at

680
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Speaker 1: the things that came about due to the Great Depression.

681
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Speaker 1: Great Depression, horrific time in this country. Uh, it's weird

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Speaker 1: that it's named the Great Depression for a lot of people. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But but things that came out of it were things

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Speaker 1: like the New Deal. These are things that even the

685
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Speaker 1: most um even people who find themselves on the most

686
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Speaker 1: extreme version of the libertarianism scale, can agree with. You know. Uh,

687
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Speaker 1: the New Deal gave us a tremendous amount of infrastructure

688
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Speaker 1: that did not exist before. Or it also gave people

689
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Speaker 1: tremendous opportunity in terms of employment. And the New Deal

690
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Speaker 1: in general objectively made made the US on the ground

691
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Speaker 1: a better place. Did it open up doors for overarching

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Speaker 1: big brother government control? Well yeah, obviously, I mean that

693
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Speaker 1: stuff wouldn't pass this week, but who knows a few

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Speaker 1: months from now, so so there could be a large

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Speaker 1: scale h readjusting of US society, at least that is

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Speaker 1: less cruel towards the majority of people living here. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's wealth distribution. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that's um better medical care, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: There there's a number of ways that could work out,

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Speaker 1: but that's one possible good scenario, you know. And then

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Speaker 1: to Matt's point, maybe we will finally assume humanity's role

702
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Speaker 1: as uh midwife for transition an old stage to a

703
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Speaker 1: more highly evolved life form. You know, the cyborgs, the

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Speaker 1: Singularity people, the what would what will we call it? It?

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Speaker 1: Would it wouldn't be um? Would it be like instead

706
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Speaker 1: of Homo sapiens. Would it be like homo whatever means

707
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: wise in Latin, right, Homo sagasius. It'll just be you know,

708
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Speaker 1: our our metal selves, our electronic versions that that somehow

709
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Speaker 1: exists for longer periods and can do anything and everything

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Speaker 1: that your phone can do. I wanted to give this

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Speaker 1: to you guys really quickly. Bill Gates came forward yesterday

712
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Speaker 1: gave a bit of a ted talk and said that

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Speaker 1: the best case scenario within the United States is to

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Speaker 1: have six to ten weeks of total isolation from one

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Speaker 1: another in order to minimize the economic impacts on on

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Speaker 1: the country. UH So, like six to ten weeks is

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Speaker 1: the minimum amount that you could have in order to

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Speaker 1: see recovery from an economic standpoint within twenty days after that.

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Speaker 1: And let's not forget he should know. I mean a

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Speaker 1: lot of the work of the Bill and Melinda Gates

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Speaker 1: Foundation is fighting disease and in the Third World countries

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Speaker 1: like malaria and and all of that. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I bet you this. I don't think Bill Gates does

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Speaker 1: anything like just off the cuff like that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some data going into that statement. He

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Speaker 1: made a bit of a snark at the administration's you know,

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Speaker 1: very pie in the sky easter um reopened the country

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Speaker 1: for business, uh idea and saying, oh, crazy people are

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Speaker 1: back out buying houses and and and uh going to

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Speaker 1: restaurants and oh, don't pay no mind to that pile

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Speaker 1: of bodies over there or whatever. You know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he definitely has a pretty dark outlook on on that

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Speaker 1: idea from the from the government. Yeah, I agree. I

734
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people listening, how maybe hold a

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Speaker 1: lot of distrust for billionaires such as Bill Gates in

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Speaker 1: in you know, I would have to say personally, I

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Speaker 1: feel that a lot of times I think you know,

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Speaker 1: I think we all do a bit, but in a

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Speaker 1: scenario like that, as as Noel stated there, it is

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Speaker 1: somebody who has worked with infectious disease across the world.

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Speaker 1: So I've always thought Bill seemed like one of the

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Speaker 1: good ones, you know, I don't know, that's just my

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Speaker 1: my gut feeling about him as as a person. Remember

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Speaker 1: that episode we did, We're talked about how wealth kind

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Speaker 1: of changes you as a person in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily for everyone, but that's what always Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I agree, that always makes me a little suspicious. I

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Speaker 1: was holding back for a second. And before we move on,

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Speaker 1: I want to point out something that may surprise you guys.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of Event to zero one? No? Okay,

751
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 1: so uh so back in October, Event two zero one

752
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: was hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

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Speaker 1: This focused on something eerily prescient, emergency preparedness in the

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Speaker 1: event of a quote severe pandemic. I just want to

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00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: plant that seed. Promise will come back to it because

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Speaker 1: it has a place in the next act of today's episode.

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00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: We've painted a little bit of a good a bad scenario.

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Speaker 1: Now we have to ask ourselves, what if there's more

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00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: to this story. We'll answer this question after a word

760
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. Conspiracy theories

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00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: about the novel coronavirus are spreading almost as quickly as

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00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: the infection itself. So we we're going along today. UH.

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Speaker 1: So we can't get to everything that we had planned,

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Speaker 1: but UH rounded up a few of the more prominent

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories making the news today. We want to let

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Speaker 1: you know ahead of time, conspiracy realists, These do range implausibility.

767
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: Some of them are more likely to be true than others.

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Speaker 1: I'll go and get started here. Early on, as this

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Speaker 1: story and um, this virus it was all developing, there

770
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: were so many people out there saying that the disease

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Speaker 1: that develops from this virus is not real, that it's exaggerated,

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Speaker 1: it's not that bad, or it's a hoax entirely, and

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Speaker 1: it was something that was basically a story that was

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Speaker 1: put in place to try and distract people from other

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Speaker 1: things that were going on in the news or the world.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there were so many different things that

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Speaker 1: people were pointing to, whether it was an election or

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00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, industry and possible um looting problems and actual

779
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: grim outlooks on that it just spanned the gamut of

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Speaker 1: things that this virus was distracting us from really looking at.

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Speaker 1: And the first idea is that the threat, you know,

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Speaker 1: is in some way exaggerated. Um, and you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: we know now that that is certainly not the case, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So so your name three kind of takes on the

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00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: concept of a hoax, that it's entirely a hoax, or

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00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: it's that's exaggerated, entirely a hoax, or that it's a

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00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: smoke screen for lack of a better phrase. Yeah, you're right, man,

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Speaker 1: it's not the case. In fact, it appears that leadership

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Speaker 1: in most countries in the world did the opposite of

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00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: exaggerating this. They initially underestimated this virus, both in terms

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Speaker 1: of its transmission rate and in terms of its deadly nature.

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Speaker 1: And and a ton of people, often for the best

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00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: reasons ever, a ton of people were quick to try

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Speaker 1: to quell alarmism around COVID nineteen by saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's no worse than the flu. You have probably seen this,

796
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists. Uh, you've seen the statements on social media.

797
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: Maybe one of your distant relatives gave you an email

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00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: with like seventeen forwards on it. Maybe you heard it

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Speaker 1: from friends, especially during the early days. Whatever those people's

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00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: intentions were, they were categorically demonstrably incorrect. And and now

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00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: we have to tackle the the concept that you've heard before, folks,

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00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: that COVID itself is not exaggerated. It's not a smoke screen, uh,

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00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: or maybe it is, but it's entirely a hoax. All

804
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: that stuff you're hearing on the news is made up.

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Speaker 1: There's another thing people said often in the early days,

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Speaker 1: and it's a view that some people maintain today. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the president of the United States, the current president, uh,

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Speaker 1: called it a hoax earlier. Do you guys remember that?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, And it's crazy. I heard a thing

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Speaker 1: on NPR the other day where it was is Hannity,

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Speaker 1: who's kind of the real bully ish kind of pundit

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00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: um who who tends to just like say some of

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Speaker 1: these more outlandish claims. Um he uh said, He literally said,

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Speaker 1: imparting some of what the president had said, that this

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Speaker 1: was a left wing hoax intended to discredit the president

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Speaker 1: and screw with his re election prospects, right. Um. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, the president had said something along those lines,

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Speaker 1: obviously not quite that uh explicit. But then when the

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Speaker 1: President came out, when things started getting real and started talking,

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Speaker 1: and he started to kind of shifted and and and said,

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of doing some revisionist history, saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: I've we've my administration has been handling this, you know,

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Speaker 1: with the utmost concern uh and attention from day one.

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Speaker 1: Hannity then flipped his script and just started praising the

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Speaker 1: President for his uh, you know, masterful handling of this

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Speaker 1: of this uh this band amc and I mean talk

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Speaker 1: about you know, double speak. I mean, it's just it

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Speaker 1: was mind boggling to me. I want to jump to

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Speaker 1: the concept that President Trump called the coronavirus a hoax.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys see the Snopes article on this? I did. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So essentially this is I'm just gonna quote this. Everybody

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Speaker 1: hears this. Um. He was discussing the coronavirus in late

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Speaker 1: February of in South Carolina, and according to Snopes, he

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Speaker 1: likened the democrats criticism of his administration's response to the

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Speaker 1: coronavirus outbreak as their new hoax. So quote, this is

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Speaker 1: their new hoax. So he does, in a way call

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Speaker 1: it a hoax, but it's it's interesting. It's just interesting

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Speaker 1: the way the wording goes to play there, but he's

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Speaker 1: certainly downplaying the severity and the importance of it. Well,

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Speaker 1: the president later and later press conferences, and I have

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Speaker 1: the timeline available. Um, if if you want this just

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Speaker 1: right to me, I'll send it to you. Uh. He

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00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: later denied making that statement the way it was advertised

844
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Speaker 1: in the press, and he argued that it was mischaracterized

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Speaker 1: on purpose. This leads us to something important, and that's

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Speaker 1: why I'm really glad you brought up the Snopes article,

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Speaker 1: matt Um. I know that we have to cut a

848
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: lot of conspiracies in today's episode, but for this, this

849
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: is a tool you can use when you're attempting to

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Speaker 1: determine the veracity of any claim, whether it's flat Earth

851
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Speaker 1: to what sandwich your your friend had on Thursday. Your

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00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: first step has to be finding sources that argue for

853
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: or against the statement. Then you compare them. So at

854
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: this point you will still find people arguing that COVID

855
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: nineteen itself is entirely a hoax, and you can consider

856
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: them a primary source for that opinion or that viewpoint. However,

857
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: if you look at the other side, you will find many, many,

858
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: many more people, people with firsthand experience from either contracting

859
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: the illness or combating it in the new front line

860
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: of this global war, hospitals, clinics, and e r s

861
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: across the planet. Those people will all argue that this

862
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: is very much real. So, regardless of what we all

863
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: may want to be true, the sheer mass, verifiable, proven

864
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: sources indicate that COVID is no hoax. But to that

865
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: third question you raised, Matt, what if this is an opportunity? Yeah,

866
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: this is even more disturbing, UM, and it's something that

867
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: we really need to spend a little bit of time on.

868
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: Uh So, while COVID probably wasn't planned by a nation

869
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: or an institution some kind of uh you know, biological

870
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: warfare conspiracy, it certainly presents an opportunity for some unethical

871
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: behavior like we talked about earlier. Here are some of

872
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: the hypothetical examples. And this goes again with our our

873
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 1: discussions earlier. UM. Shut down protests can't have people gathering,

874
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: So no protests, right, depriving people of their civil rights,

875
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, under the guise of it being a public

876
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: health measure. Right, you could also try and pass some

877
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: kind of controversial legislation. Uh. We're seeing how well, as

878
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: we discussed earlier, the left and right in encamped sides

879
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: of the United States government in Congress are are functioning

880
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: right now, just as everyone's coming together. Maybe you could

881
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: use this as a way to get something through. Slip

882
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: it through while we're all working together. Do we talk

883
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: about this on a previous episode, The insider trading that's

884
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: going on, and how no one's getting in trouble for it.

885
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: It's insane. I mean, look to me, the thing you

886
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: just described, Ben is like the political equivalent of price gouging,

887
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: like medication that would cure people, you know, I mean

888
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: it is so immoral. I I can't even handle it. Uh.

889
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: And and and yeah, the whole insider trading thing. I mean,

890
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: there's a lawmaker from here in Georgia who just got

891
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: popped for it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And and they

892
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: had downplayed the threat, uh and then went to this briefing. Um,

893
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: and then you know, sold off millions of dollars worth

894
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: of stock. And how that's not insider trading. I don't

895
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: know it is it is, But there are there are

896
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: a lot of loopholes. So just the name names, and

897
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: so everybody doesn't feel like we're picking on one senator

898
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: because they happen to be from our state. Uh. The

899
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: names that we know now, the four the four senators

900
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: across the board who lied to the public while they

901
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: were dumping their own stock fortunes like a fire sale.

902
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: Are these, uh, Senator Burr, Senator Feinstein, Senator Loafler, and

903
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: Senator in Hofe. There's another thing we got to talk about.

904
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: This is a fantastic opportunity if you're if you're an

905
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: overarching government, there's a fantastic opportunity to nationalize private businesses.

906
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: In the time of crisis, many governments are opening the

907
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: door uh to there. Well, we're making laws or we're

908
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: activating laws that uh that opened the door to widespread

909
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: nationalization of key industries like energy, transit, medical, manufacturing, even agriculture.

910
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: Now there are some people, of course, will say, well,

911
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: that would be a fantastic thing, But of course, on

912
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: this show, we're of the mind that fantastic things, uh,

913
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, are are even more fantastic when they're transparent.

914
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: And of course, as you know, there's another opportunity to

915
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: crack down on minority or opposition groups. This is all

916
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: happening once, but it's stuff to be aware of. One thing.

917
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: One thing I wanted to ask you guys about, Matt Noel,

918
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: uh was something I was surprised to find people so

919
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: ardent about. It is the concept of five G and

920
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: the coronavirus. Have you guys heard about this? I have

921
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: not been so multiple people. This surprised me to know

922
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: multiple people have been posing a link between COVID nineteen

923
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: and five G technology. I guess we should we should

924
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: pause for a second. I'm I'm going to defer defer

925
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: to you, Matt, what exactly is five G. We we

926
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: hear the name thrown around a lot, but like on

927
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: the on the most like bare bones level. What what

928
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: the heck is that stuff? I literally have no idea. Uh,

929
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: it's one more than four G. It's something that we

930
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: need to discuss with Jonathan Strickland and have him on

931
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: to discuss that. I think we've we've been mentioning a

932
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: couple of times to him, so hopefully we can get

933
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: him on to truly explain to us what five G is.

934
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: Is it like fundamentally different than four G? Is it

935
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: a completely different transmission medium. It's gonna be rolled out

936
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: a lot differently where the signals are going to be

937
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: transferred back and forth from your devices. They're gonna be

938
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: located in different places throughout your neighborhood or wherever you live. Um,

939
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: it's a you know, it's slightly different frequency bands. There's

940
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: all kinds of interesting interesting stuff there, and it's way

941
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: too much to unpack right now, but just know that

942
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: it is a slightly different version of what you're using

943
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: for your cell phone right now, unless you're already using

944
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: five G. Yeah, we have a we have an episode

945
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: on this where the research is still solid from February

946
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: nineteen called cell Phones, five G and Cancer, which which

947
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: goes into some of the nuts and bolts of how

948
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: five G works. But I think no knowing this, we know,

949
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,479
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to go back and listen

950
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: to that episode. Of course we would love it because

951
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: every time you listen to an episode, our our boss

952
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: sends us a personal text and says, we have one

953
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: more day before we're fired, so please tune in. The Uh.

954
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: The thing about five G that should trip everybody up

955
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: when we hear this is the concept that somehow a

956
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: wireless phone field could what a accelerate or exacerbate the

957
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: spread of a virus. Here's the initial connection. So the

958
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: PRC China turned on some of its first five gen

959
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: networks in December, and uh, people who are you know

960
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: picking up that kind of xenophobic vibe you described earlier.

961
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: All they're quick to say, well, you know, the coronavirus,

962
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: if it's real, came from China and they also turned

963
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: on their five gen networks for the first time, so

964
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: they attempt to draw a link between the two. A casual,

965
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: a causual link. We have we have specific examples of

966
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff which that people are talking about

967
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: in this regard. Uh, and you can watch it for

968
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: yourself on Facebook. Heck, you can join you we found

969
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: a group that you can join. Yeah, it's a Facebook

970
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: group called stop five g UK Facebook group. Very creative dame. Yeah,

971
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean then these kind of conspiracy

972
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: theories abound whenever there's some kind of new tech that

973
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: comes out, and a especially you know, people are very

974
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: skittish about the idea of things transmitted through the air. Um.

975
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think you know, four g is is

976
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: is approximately a gigabit Ethernet connection equivalent and five G

977
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: would be like multiple gigabit speed. But you're right, the

978
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: infrastructure is different. But we do we should get Jonathan

979
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: Strickland and to talk about it. But this, so, this, this,

980
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: this whole concept seems like a stretch to me. As

981
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: Ben mentioned, we did talk about it, but we talked

982
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: about it well before it was ever actually turned on. Um,

983
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: so I'm very much interested in seeing how it's developed,

984
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: how it is actually rolling out, because I don't know

985
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: if you guys remember we had that uh gentleman on

986
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: here named David Ike. Do you remember what he told

987
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: us about five G? What did he say in that?

988
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: Refresh my memory please? He gave us a dire warning

989
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: about five G and how it was one of the

990
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: most terrifying things that was coming and it was going

991
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: to spell essentially the end of the world. I'm gonna

992
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: go on record and say, you know that that that

993
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: that feels a little alarmist. Again, I'm not an expert. Uh.

994
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: That interview, I can't remember if we did it before

995
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: the seven year study came out that was attempting to

996
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: debunk these worries. Uh. But I also want to point

997
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: out that you know, when you and I on that interview,

998
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: asked David Ike about his accusations of anti Semitism. Uh,

999
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: he still didn't. I don't know, man, I don't know.

1000
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the best I'm not saying

1001
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: he's the best source. I'm just saying, in my mind,

1002
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: what is repeating is what David Ike said to us,

1003
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: and and he was saying that it was going to

1004
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: harm people. And I can see why a Facebook group

1005
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: maybe that was either listening to David or other people

1006
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: talking about five g um would then connect those two,

1007
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: given that China did activate quite a bit of its

1008
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: five Gen networks UM in that time frame, right around

1009
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: December nineteen. So I but I mean, I don't know,

1010
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: are we really calling into question the origin of the

1011
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: of the COVID nineteen No, that is not what I'm doing.

1012
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: What about you? I just mean this theory seems to

1013
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: do that fundamentally. What what is the is the notion

1014
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: that that all of that is just smoke and that

1015
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: it's just a cover up for the real, the real

1016
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: bad actor, which is this technology. I would just say

1017
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: it's a really bad coincidence that happened to line up

1018
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: in a time frame with some of these fears, I

1019
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: would say also to your point, um, while we're while

1020
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: we're playing some pepe A Sylvia, which is which is

1021
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: a great idea for a board game that would come

1022
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: out with if I didn't think always Sunny would sue us.

1023
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: But while we're playing pepe A Sylvia, I want to

1024
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: point out that, uh, that David Ike was right about

1025
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: the pedophilia UH in in the United Kingdom. No matter

1026
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: what you want to say about the guy, you can

1027
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: call mc crank or whatever, but he was right about

1028
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: the active cover up of child abuse for decades in

1029
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom. And also spoiler alert if you don't

1030
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: want to listen to all the episodes, Yes, the people

1031
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: who did that are going to get away. There's there

1032
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: apparently above the law. But being you know, a broken

1033
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: clock can be right twice a day, right, So this

1034
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's automatically right about UH five G predictions. Uh.

1035
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: The people who are claiming that five G what what

1036
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: the really what they tend to claim is that, uh,

1037
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: the delatorious health effects of five G are being conflated

1038
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: with the uh, the symptoms of coronavirus. So it's your point. No,

1039
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: the people who believe this. Ultimately, the majority of the

1040
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: moragoning that coronavirus was not actually virus at all. They say,

1041
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: it's just it something the media is using to cover

1042
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: up illnesses and death attributed to exposure to five G technology. Um,

1043
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: there's there's one example of this, a guy named Mark Steele,

1044
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: who I think is an excellent just snapshot here, because

1045
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: we have to remember a lot of the people participating

1046
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: with the five G coronavirus conspiracy have just sort of

1047
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: folded this enormous global panic into their pre existing opposition

1048
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: to five G. Mark Steele was making waves all the

1049
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: way back in two thousand and eighteen because he said

1050
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: his local city council was causing pregnant women to miscarry

1051
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: when they were walking under street lamps that were outfitted

1052
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: with five G technology. Uh. The local government, by the way,

1053
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,959
Speaker 1: rejected his allegations. There's no proven link between the tech

1054
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: and COVID. There's also no proven link furthermore, of any

1055
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: single case of wireless technology spreading a viral infection in general.

1056
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, There's no like nobody nobody

1057
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: got a viral infection because they heard a telegraph message,

1058
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, right, That's that's what I'm saying, Like,

1059
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, sure I could see blaming or you know,

1060
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: being concerned about other health risks associated with the stuff

1061
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: because it hasn't been tested and we haven't really seen

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Speaker 1: it rolled out. And you know, the idea that cell

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Speaker 1: phones cause cancer, we've we've done episodes on that and

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Speaker 1: we that was that's a little bit the jury is

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Speaker 1: kind of out, but there's some evidence that maybe there

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Speaker 1: there's some some truth to that. But how does a

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Speaker 1: transmission of data cause a viral infection or carry a novel,

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Speaker 1: you know, virus. The the allegation there is that it

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Speaker 1: is not a virus. It is just effects of the

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Speaker 1: radiation emanating from the technology and the devices. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to everybody who just looked at there. You just looked

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Speaker 1: at your phone now and he saw that little five

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Speaker 1: G icon. Shout out to you. You're gonna be okay.

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Speaker 1: And here for now is where we leave it. Hang on,

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Speaker 1: why weren't you guys talking about the religious allegations or

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Speaker 1: the religious conspiracy theories. Why weren't you talking about the

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Speaker 1: various panaceas and snake oil cures. Why aren't you talking

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Speaker 1: about the fact that numerous governments have accused other governments

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Speaker 1: of creating COVID nineteen as a weapon. Well, our answer

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Speaker 1: to that is that we have to save something for

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Speaker 1: Part three. Also Peak behind the Curtain, Paul, Mission Control

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Speaker 1: is going to kill us if we if we make

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Speaker 1: this like a three hour episode. Uh. So on on

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Speaker 1: the Google hangout, we can see Paul's face down there

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Speaker 1: below and it looks like a smile but I am

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Speaker 1: definitely reading it as a scowl right now. No, that's

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Speaker 1: just a still I know, but it just I can't

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Speaker 1: tell how angry it is, but it does look so. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Apologies for not getting to a lot of things I

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Speaker 1: know are very much on the front of our fellow

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Speaker 1: listeners minds today, but tune in because we will be

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Speaker 1: doing a Part three, which is even more of a

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Speaker 1: deep dived into the conspiracy theories that we didn't get

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Speaker 1: to today. I'm honestly sad about it because some of

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Speaker 1: them are a little more plausible. Uh. And we're also

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Speaker 1: going to be looking at the developing situation at this

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Speaker 1: point again March. The scariest conspiracy remains the one we

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Speaker 1: mentioned in our initial episode on COVID nineteen. China conspired

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Speaker 1: to keep this quiet. Other countries conspired to downplay the

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Speaker 1: long term consequences and the threat of this, including the

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Speaker 1: United States, and now the world collectively is paying for

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Speaker 1: those decisions. We are paying for those conspiracies, and the

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Speaker 1: bill has yet to come do so. While while you're

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Speaker 1: hanging out wherever you are right now, staying safe and

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Speaker 1: isolating yourself, UM, make sure to reach out to us.

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Speaker 1: We are available on the internet in a ton of places.

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Speaker 1: Were conspiracy stuff on Twitter and Facebook. You can find

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Speaker 1: our Facebook group. Here's where it gets crazy. I'll just

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Speaker 1: go there. We can talk about anything COVID or not

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Speaker 1: covid UH and just discuss any episodes, give us ideas

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Speaker 1: for new episodes. If you don't want to do that,

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Speaker 1: go to Instagram. You find us there. We are our

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Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff show. You can also find us as individual

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Speaker 1: human people. UH. You can follow our our our quarantine stories.

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Speaker 1: If you wish mine you can find at Instagram. UM

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Speaker 1: I am at how now Noel Brown. If you wish,

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Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter and Instagram. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: some exciting projects on Twitter. I very much like you

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Speaker 1: to be a part of them. Check out at them

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Speaker 1: bullet hs W. You can also follow my various misadventures

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at then bullet. You can find me at

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Speaker 1: the untuned Jim Bay. Uh, good luck. I should be

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Speaker 1: there somewhere, tweeting all day long. Um, King Crimson Sun,

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Speaker 1: I love that. Oh, I don't know. That's wonder If

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Speaker 1: that's not a really that's not really a thing. You

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Speaker 1: cannot find me. Do you have an untuned Jim Bay?

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Speaker 1: Is this? Yes, it's sitting right next to me. I

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Speaker 1: can't tell because it's very dark in the background there, Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: purposeful my friend. If you don't want to do any

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Speaker 1: of that stuff, you can leave us a message. We

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Speaker 1: have a number you can call. It is well in

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Speaker 1: us a call, leave us a message, and um, you

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Speaker 1: might be part of the show, especially during these our

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Speaker 1: new weird times. And if you don't want to do that,

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Speaker 1: you can always send us a good old fashioned email.

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