Speaker 1: What's up It Sauce on the side, episode thirty Huh,
Speaker 1: I don't really know.
Speaker 2: Thirty seven?
Speaker 1: Are you sure thirty seven was last week?
Speaker 2: Nope? Last week was thirty six according to a listener
Speaker 2: who DMed me.
Speaker 1: Why not just pull up the thing, Because, first of all,
Speaker 1: thank you, whichever listener that was that DMS, love you
Speaker 1: for that. I appreciate when people give a shit about
Speaker 1: stuff that we are trying to do. Okay, let's see,
Speaker 1: last week's episode was episode You're right the fuck it
Speaker 1: button was thirty six, so this is thirty seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited about this one for a couple of
Speaker 1: reasons because this is a friend of mine from like
Speaker 1: way back in the day, and I love her very much,
Speaker 1: and she's doing something very different. She is a primary
Speaker 1: care physician, and she's sick of the healthcare system and
Speaker 1: the way things work, so she's branching out and doing
Speaker 1: something completely different. And by the way, this interview was
Speaker 1: recorded like a week or two ago, and she reached
Speaker 1: out to me yesterday and told me she's going to
Speaker 1: be doing something even more amazing and that it was
Speaker 1: a sign from us because she was listening to the
Speaker 1: show and she was like, Okay, I was looking first
Speaker 1: sign and that's it. I'll tell you what it is
Speaker 1: at the end of this. Okay, are you ready? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's doctor Kummel Core. She's a doctor. Specifically, what kind
Speaker 1: of doctor are you?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 3: Everyone, I am Board certified in family medicine and as
Speaker 3: of last year, I'm also now Board certified in lifestyle medicine.
Speaker 1: What is the name of your practice and where can
Speaker 1: we find?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: So, Thattice is called k Core MD. That's kkau R Space, MD,
Speaker 3: and I'm located in Coral Springs, Beautiful Coral Springs, Florida,
Speaker 3: Broward County, and you can visit our website kkau r
Speaker 3: md dot com. And I can also talk to you
Speaker 3: directly if you just call the office.
Speaker 1: One day and ask for you specifically.
Speaker 3: I'll probably be the one answering the phone.
Speaker 1: But yes, what is lifestyle medicine?
Speaker 3: Everybody knows a GP or a general practitioner or you know,
Speaker 3: primary care physician is usually an internal medicine physician or
Speaker 3: a family medicine physician.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you I don't think everyone knows that. Okay,
Speaker 1: you'd be.
Speaker 3: Very surprised, so I will probably take for granted that point. Then,
Speaker 3: So internal medicine physicians are trained to treat adults eighteen
Speaker 3: and over. Family medicine physicians are trained to treat from birth.
Speaker 3: To forgive me for saying this grave, so we handle
Speaker 3: the whole spectrum, or we're trained to handle the whole spectrum.
Speaker 3: I hate saying it that way, but that.
Speaker 1: People die, we know that, I know. We join goal
Speaker 1: is to keep them on the planet as long as
Speaker 1: possible and as healthy. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: And then lifestyle medicine. So over the last several years,
Speaker 3: especially after COVID, we've had a huge influx of patients
Speaker 3: wanting natural remedies. They don't want to just go to
Speaker 3: medications anymore. They want to know how can I heal
Speaker 3: my body? How can I prevent disease without putting junk
Speaker 3: into it? Forgive me big pharma and causing potential side effects,
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. So lifestyle medicine is based on
Speaker 3: six pillars, and we use those pillars and their evidence
Speaker 3: based approaches to prevent, treat, and manage chronic conditions. And
Speaker 3: they're really simple. Exercise, eat healthy, get enough sleep, avoid
Speaker 3: risky substance like alcohol and drugs, all the bad stuff.
Speaker 3: And social connections. That's a huge one that a lot
Speaker 3: of people don't understand that having meaningful social connections actually
Speaker 3: can alter your inside workings and your DNA to a
Speaker 3: certain extent. And then the last one is stress management.
Speaker 1: Those are all the hardest things to get a hold of.
Speaker 1: Every single thing that you said, sleep more. I would
Speaker 1: love to. I wake up at three thirty of the
Speaker 1: morning every day, and if I go to bed at
Speaker 1: eight o'clock, I feel like I've missed the entire night before,
Speaker 1: which it is my job than the next day to
Speaker 1: talk about that entire night before. But there are a
Speaker 1: lot of things that we all need to be doing.
Speaker 1: We talk about all the time on the show, On
Speaker 1: the Big Show, Actually, how loneliness is an epidemic. If
Speaker 1: you are lonely, it really is taking a physical toll
Speaker 1: on your health.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely. And even though we're so connected in
Speaker 3: so many ways with technology now, we have never been
Speaker 3: more lonely as a society. And I can't speak for
Speaker 3: every country, of course, but definitely in the United States,
Speaker 3: most of Northern America, if not, we're not really meant
Speaker 3: to live in isolation and be away from others, and
Speaker 3: you know, we feed off of energy of others. Vibes
Speaker 3: are a thing feeding off of you know, your neighbor's energy,
Speaker 3: your friends' energies. That's a very very important part of
Speaker 3: your overall health.
Speaker 1: So I started this out by saying, I'm fascinated by
Speaker 1: something that you're doing or what you've done. I would
Speaker 1: like you to tell it in your own words versus me.
Speaker 1: Try to say it. I'm going to give the thesis
Speaker 1: statement and then you fill it in. So essentially, you're
Speaker 1: part of a practice. Yes, yes, you decided that practice
Speaker 1: wasn't for you based on a lot of things like
Speaker 1: maybe you weren't able to give your patients the care
Speaker 1: that you wanted to give them, maybe insurance got in
Speaker 1: the way of the care that you wanted to provide. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you basically said fuck it, I'm leaving, and you
Speaker 1: broke off on your own so that you can take
Speaker 1: care of patients the way you want to take care
Speaker 1: of patients for as long as you want to take
Speaker 1: care of them, and you're doing something completely new all
Speaker 1: by yourself. Yes, Okay, what did I miss there?
Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing?
Speaker 1: Wow, Oh my god, I did such a good job. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, you did you pretty much? You know, nailed it.
Speaker 3: Long story short. I have been wanting to be a
Speaker 3: physician since I can remember. I remember as a four
Speaker 3: or five year old having one of those little doctors set,
Speaker 3: which maybe you can relate to. This isn't unusual coming
Speaker 3: from an Indian background, It.
Speaker 1: Sure is not.
Speaker 3: I think all Indian parents just hand their kids the
Speaker 3: little play doctor's kit in the hopes that you know
Speaker 3: you're going to grow up and do this one day.
Speaker 1: Here's your coat in your fake stethoscope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's all I can remember. There was never
Speaker 3: a plan, B, a plan see. No, no, this is what
Speaker 3: I'm going to do. This is my calling. I lost
Speaker 3: my father and my second year of medical school, took
Speaker 3: a year off, handled a bunch of not school stuff,
Speaker 3: family business. My grieving mom pushed my grieving to the side.
Speaker 3: It was a tough time, and then I had to
Speaker 3: ask myself what do I want to do with the
Speaker 3: rest of my life? And I went back into school. Finally,
Speaker 3: I graduate and I get out into the real world
Speaker 3: and I land my dream job, which was to work
Speaker 3: at Cleveland Clinic. Because it is such a prestigious organization.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be part of their academics, their research,
Speaker 3: and I just wanted to be in it all and absorbed.
Speaker 1: You're so Indian. I love this so much.
Speaker 3: This is so great, and I wanted to be absorbed
Speaker 3: by all of it. So here I am at Cleveland Clinic.
Speaker 3: Years later, I'm practicing. I'm so excited, bright eyed, bushy tailed,
Speaker 3: and doing what I always dreamed of. I couldn't have
Speaker 3: been more blessed. And then as the rose colored glasses
Speaker 3: started to come off, I started to see the system
Speaker 3: for what it was. And this is not a knock
Speaker 3: on Cleveland Clinic itself. It is a great organization. It
Speaker 3: is more reflective of the healthcare system in general. Having
Speaker 3: a primary care physician is knowing that you have somebody
Speaker 3: in your corner when you need them when you're sick,
Speaker 3: right as that's what you want.
Speaker 1: To believe exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you as a doctor have that responsibility to
Speaker 3: get to know your patients, to really get to know
Speaker 3: their personal life and their diseases and how to keep
Speaker 3: them healthy. That's what we're here for. But when you
Speaker 3: see twenty to thirty patients a day and you spend
Speaker 3: less than ten minutes per person, you're supposed to develop
Speaker 3: any kind of meaningful relationship. I mean, honestly, I felt
Speaker 3: like shit when I had to tell my patients, Oh,
Speaker 3: we can't talk about all your problems today. We can
Speaker 3: only talk about one. You're gonna have to come back
Speaker 3: next week or whenever the hell for the next problem.
Speaker 1: Which it could be bigger by that point, exactly.
Speaker 3: How horrible is that? And I'm like, this is not
Speaker 3: what I dreamt as a kid that I would be
Speaker 3: doing like this rush Rush medicine a factory. It's a factory.
Speaker 3: It's a factory, and patients are cattle.
Speaker 1: And it's horrible.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely horrible. Nobody should be treated that way. I
Speaker 3: don't want to be treated that way. So I left
Speaker 3: that organization. And then I was hired by another organization
Speaker 3: in South Florida to lead their transformation into telemedicine. And
Speaker 3: this was right before the pandemic.
Speaker 1: So, oh, you got ahead of the curve. I did.
Speaker 3: I did, and I again hashtag blessed because I was
Speaker 3: in the right place at the right time, completely catapult
Speaker 3: in my career. I made great connections, I learned a lot,
Speaker 3: so I was growing as a physician, which was most
Speaker 3: exciting to me. And then I got put back into
Speaker 3: the same rigamarole because of the needs. They opened up
Speaker 3: a new office and needed a primary there, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I love doing this, so why not you know?
Speaker 3: But then I realize, Man, this is the same shit,
Speaker 3: different day, and even they know that this is wrong,
Speaker 3: but they're bound by certain handcuffs to not do it
Speaker 3: any other way. Then that's when I decided, what am
Speaker 3: I doing with my life? This is not how I
Speaker 3: want to be treating patients. I go home really pissed
Speaker 3: off every day because I couldn't talk to missus Smith
Speaker 3: about everything that I needed to talk about. Honestly, for
Speaker 3: like an elderly patient, that's pretty fucked up, very much, SLF.
Speaker 3: You want to take care of them like you're taking
Speaker 3: care of your grandma. I wouldn't do that to my grandma.
Speaker 3: Why am I doing it to Missus Smith?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: That's an example, by the way, that's not a real.
Speaker 1: Person, right, because we all know this exactly. Actually I
Speaker 1: don't know that we all know this again back to
Speaker 1: the first point. But yeah, no violating hippie here.
Speaker 3: As a lot of people may or may not know,
Speaker 3: doctors are leaving by the droves because we're being burnt out.
Speaker 3: We're being forced to practice medicine in a way that
Speaker 3: is not conducive to optimizing patience health care. And it's
Speaker 3: just it's really really disheartening.
Speaker 1: It's actually terrifying.
Speaker 3: It is because I mean, for instance, all of us
Speaker 3: in this room right now, we're all under fifty, and
Speaker 3: who's going to take care of us when we're older?
Speaker 3: Right if people are leaving the profession, and people are
Speaker 3: not going into the profession. And I said, you know what,
Speaker 3: fuck it, I'm going to take a risk, and this
Speaker 3: is my last shot, and God forbid, if this doesn't
Speaker 3: work out, we're just going to pack up and move
Speaker 3: to Bangkok or something like excellent.
Speaker 1: Choice, very well priced.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I decided to open up my office, my practice,
Speaker 3: and I'm the only physician there because I'm the only
Speaker 3: one that I trust to take care of patients the
Speaker 3: way I do. Not that I'm the smartest cookie in
Speaker 3: the jar, but I fucking care. And so with this practice,
Speaker 3: it is a direct primary care practice, and a lot
Speaker 3: of physicians are going into this because we are unshackling
Speaker 3: from the handcuffs of insurance and of government regulations, and
Speaker 3: we're really trying to treat patients.
Speaker 1: Like the old days.
Speaker 3: The way I treat my patients is they come into
Speaker 3: my office and we're there for however long they want
Speaker 3: to be there or need to be there. I should say,
Speaker 3: we do what we need to do for them. They
Speaker 3: have my cell phone number, they call me. I answer.
Speaker 3: And a lot of individuals are kind of familiar with
Speaker 3: this model because they know it as concierge medicine. But
Speaker 3: what sets us apart from concierge medicine is and concierge
Speaker 3: medicine when you go to see the doctor, you're paying
Speaker 3: that monthly fee or that retainer on a yearly basis.
Speaker 1: Can you give me an approximation of what that Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it depends on what part of the country
Speaker 3: you are. But I'm in South Florida and it could
Speaker 3: be anywhere from five to fifteen thousand, depending on a month.
Speaker 1: Yes, No, No, a year. Oh, I was like, holy god,
Speaker 1: a year.
Speaker 3: And these are great physicians, but they're not. They're not neurosurgeons.
Speaker 3: They're not somebody who requires a heck of a lot
Speaker 3: more training than what we primaries do. They're there's nothing
Speaker 3: extra about them except that they're probably more seasoned. So
Speaker 3: they have more wisdom under their belt. And that's great
Speaker 3: point is we try to keep our rates affordable. And
Speaker 3: the other thing that sets us apart from concierge medicine
Speaker 3: is that concierge medicine physicians still charge your insurance. So
Speaker 3: when you go in, you're still paying copey, you're still
Speaker 3: subject to your deductible, so you're getting bills. Forgive me
Speaker 3: for saying it like this from both ends. Honestly, we
Speaker 3: don't do that. We're kind of like Netflix or the
Speaker 3: gym or a country club. You pay one monthly fee
Speaker 3: and all your services are in there. And then if
Speaker 3: you do have insurance and we need to do like
Speaker 3: extra blood work or we need to do X rays
Speaker 3: or have you see a cardiologists, then that can run
Speaker 3: through your insurance. But for your primary it's a direct relationship.
Speaker 3: You need me, I'm there.
Speaker 1: That's it. So somebody could essentially come to you not
Speaker 1: have any insurance at all, just pay your monthly fee
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and get all of the care that
Speaker 1: you would give somebody. As far as being a primary
Speaker 1: care physician general practitioner, yep, what if they do not
Speaker 1: have insurance and they need to go to another specialist.
Speaker 1: Then they're coming out of pocket for that.
Speaker 3: Generally they are coming out of pocket for that. What
Speaker 3: I try to do is, honestly, I've tried to develop
Speaker 3: community relationships with physicians who understand the importance of giving
Speaker 3: care the way that we give it, but also that
Speaker 3: a lot of patients don't have insurance and that shouldn't
Speaker 3: be a barrier to getting good care. So a lot
Speaker 3: of specialists will give my patients a discounted rate or
Speaker 3: get them in as soon as possible. They'll figure it out,
Speaker 3: there's payment plans, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I really really.
Speaker 3: Want to emphasize that if you don't have insurance. I
Speaker 3: would hate for anybody to think, oh, I can't get
Speaker 3: good care because I don't have insurance.
Speaker 1: Now do you have people on your team who will
Speaker 1: help someone out that comes to you without insurance and says,
Speaker 1: I need these things done. I don't even know where
Speaker 1: to go because it's a game. You have people who
Speaker 1: will help with that. Yep.
Speaker 3: It's a very complex healthcare system, whether you have insurance
Speaker 3: or not. To navigate it to figure it out, I
Speaker 3: mean shit, sometimes even I'm like, wait, what are we
Speaker 3: supposed to be doing? And you know, what makes it
Speaker 3: complex is the insurance company.
Speaker 1: Of course they're the worst.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you have to do X, Y and Z
Speaker 3: in order to get the care that you need, even
Speaker 3: though you need that care. Now, it's a whole fucking game.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. But back to your point about the no
Speaker 3: patients without insurance, we will make efforts to try to
Speaker 3: connect them to services that are reasonably priced.
Speaker 1: So in a dream world, let's say fast forward five
Speaker 1: years from now, ten years from now, what does your
Speaker 1: practice look like? Is it still just you? Do you
Speaker 1: want a network?
Speaker 3: I think as this phenomenon of direct care grows, there
Speaker 3: will be more and more physicians that will come into it.
Speaker 3: Me in my four walls in my practice, I honestly
Speaker 3: don't foresee bringing on any other doctors or any other
Speaker 3: care providers. I like having my little intimate environment. I
Speaker 3: like having when my patients come in, they feel like
Speaker 3: VIP because they're the only patient in the office. There's
Speaker 3: not fifty million people running around. It's a very calm environment,
Speaker 3: and you know, they feel special and they feel taken
Speaker 3: care of. I feel like if I were to expand
Speaker 3: my four walls, that feeling goes away, and then it's
Speaker 3: more like a clinic. And I know I'm a doctor
Speaker 3: and it is a clinic, And even my husband will
Speaker 3: tell you this. When I was remodeling it, I was
Speaker 3: trying to make it as non clinical as possible, not
Speaker 3: like totally spa like, but a little bit.
Speaker 1: It looks very spall like, Yes, thank you. So when
Speaker 1: you say that a patient can come in they schedule
Speaker 1: an appointment with you, you're just focused on them. They
Speaker 1: can stay there as long as they need to. How
Speaker 1: does that work with scheduling, because at some point you've
Speaker 1: got to have more than one appointment in a day.
Speaker 1: Do you wait as long as you wait in other places?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. So my patients will know. Because it's a
Speaker 3: membership program. It's kind of like not that we have
Speaker 3: a finite number of patients, but we know who we service,
Speaker 3: right and since we're so personal and one on one
Speaker 3: with them, we can just pick up the phone and say, hey,
Speaker 3: missus Smith, I know you're coming in at ten, but
Speaker 3: I have someone coming in at nine and I just
Speaker 3: don't want you guys to overlap, So how about you
Speaker 3: come in at ten thirty instead? So when they're actually
Speaker 3: in the office, they're not waiting for more than literally
Speaker 3: two minutes. You knock on the door, you walk in,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, okay, hey, let me sit in
Speaker 3: the living room for a second before I get taken
Speaker 3: back into the dining room to eat, you know, like,
Speaker 3: it's not it's not people waiting out in the living
Speaker 3: in the lobby type of situation. The main thing that
Speaker 3: we do with scheduling is I don't schedule more than
Speaker 3: three to five patients in a day because I want
Speaker 3: personally to have at least an hour and a half
Speaker 3: per patient. So even if I see the patient for
Speaker 3: like fifteen minutes, because that's all they needed from me,
Speaker 3: then I can spend the rest of the time working
Speaker 3: on scheduling them for their follow up visits, coordinating their
Speaker 3: care with their specialists, or getting the records from the
Speaker 3: specialist so I could read what their cardiologists is saying
Speaker 3: and we can all be on the same page.
Speaker 1: So stuff like that. How is it going so far?
Speaker 3: Because this is horribly horribly Why because people don't believe me?
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's what I'm gonna say about that. It
Speaker 1: is a wild concept, I think for anybody to think
Speaker 1: about what do I do as far as joining what
Speaker 1: you say, it's a membership program, which in itself sounds
Speaker 1: a little salesy sounds. We got to come up with
Speaker 1: a better name for this, because even though you have
Speaker 1: to have a membership for it, when you pitch it
Speaker 1: that way to somebody, they're going to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is just a doctor trying to make more money
Speaker 1: off of me, which the opposite is actually true, not.
Speaker 3: Making any money. People, I promise you, I promise you.
Speaker 1: If you don't join now, she's gonna be poor. But
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot that goes into this
Speaker 1: and people just don't know about. Yeah, as far as
Speaker 1: is this really a doctor? Is this person really gonna
Speaker 1: take care of me? Do I really have the ability
Speaker 1: to see her without insurance? So you're saying it's going
Speaker 1: horribly for you? Now, is it just patient enrollment or
Speaker 1: is it anything else?
Speaker 3: No, it's patient enrollment because when I talk to other
Speaker 3: physicians about it.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is not an ad. She has
Speaker 1: not paid for any of this. This is just something
Speaker 1: that I thought was cool and I thought we should
Speaker 1: talk about it continue.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, most people with whom I talk they're like, this
Speaker 3: is awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, you know this is my first thought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: future of healthcare.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, can you do it in New York?
Speaker 1: And you said no, But that's fine.
Speaker 3: I'd have to move or clone myself, which ever comes first. Okay,
Speaker 3: but yeah, people, I think when I'm pitching it to
Speaker 3: patients and I'm not a salesperson.
Speaker 1: And this is thank god. I don't want my doctor
Speaker 1: to be a sales This is.
Speaker 3: The most horrible part of this whole process is I
Speaker 3: have to be that sleazy hey, come see me, and.
Speaker 1: You don't hire other people to do it, hire a
Speaker 1: team to do it for you. Well, you know what
Speaker 1: I tried that.
Speaker 3: I have hired and fired three marketing and PR firms
Speaker 3: in the six months that I've been in business.
Speaker 1: And are you like a bosszilla? No, not at all.
Speaker 3: I would absolutely love to find somebody who I trust
Speaker 3: to do their job and be like, Okay, hear your fees,
Speaker 3: here's the check for your work.
Speaker 1: Have at it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to see patients because that's what I
Speaker 3: do best. You know, I don't want to be in
Speaker 3: every little aspect if I don't need to be, and that,
Speaker 3: unfortunately has been difficult, probably because this is a new concept,
Speaker 3: and I understand that. But at the same time, I
Speaker 3: came to the realization that my best pitch is me.
Speaker 3: I answer the phone and patients call yeah because I
Speaker 3: want to talk to them, and I answer their questions.
Speaker 3: That adds to the Hey, this is what we're really
Speaker 3: trying to do. But one of the biggest things that
Speaker 3: I encounter is people thinking it's a scam because we're
Speaker 3: in South.
Speaker 1: Florida and everything is a scam everything. Ye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we're a medicare, We're a medical fraud capital.
Speaker 3: So I understand at least they're the best at something.
Speaker 3: And then they're like, are you a real doctor? And
Speaker 3: I'm like, doctors aren't We don't boast, We don't.
Speaker 1: Don't know. I've met some surgeons like to boast a
Speaker 1: little bit, and I know it's a different breed. That's
Speaker 1: a different breed.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm double board certified. I've worked at some
Speaker 3: pretastigious organizations. I've published research that has been successful in
Speaker 3: cancer treatments. I host a show on PBS, a medical
Speaker 3: show every week, so it's like I've done stuff. I'm
Speaker 3: a real doctor.
Speaker 1: Well you know where that's coming from, right, Because Thank
Speaker 1: you COVID. We moved into this really weird time where
Speaker 1: people who didn't even pass science class, and you know
Speaker 1: who those people were, who think that they're doctors because
Speaker 1: they're googling things and you know, Google's telling them, Hey,
Speaker 1: that vaccine is going to poison you and you're gonna die.
Speaker 1: So then they don't want to take the vaccine because
Speaker 1: they think they know better because the Internet told them so.
Speaker 1: So you're up against a lot of that, which is
Speaker 1: why I'm sure there is a question are you a
Speaker 1: real doctor? And again your South Florida, So yeah, that
Speaker 1: will happen. Is that difficult for you? All these people
Speaker 1: who now are armed with their Google knowledge coming to
Speaker 1: you and telling you you're not doing your job right,
Speaker 1: or they come with preconceived notions of what needs to happen.
Speaker 3: You know what, I look at it from a different perspective.
Speaker 3: I love my patients to be educated about what they're
Speaker 3: coming in for, so you know if and I've learned
Speaker 3: from patients too, because no physician knows at all, there's
Speaker 3: always something to learn, and everybody's case is individual, so
Speaker 3: what works for one person doesn't work for the other.
Speaker 3: And then if it gets to a certain point where
Speaker 3: they're like, well, I don't believe what you and your
Speaker 3: twenty million years of training are saying. I believe what
Speaker 3: you know so and so is saying on TikTok or
Speaker 3: Instagram or you know, doesn't Yeah, And I say, well,
Speaker 3: if that's how you feel. At the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I'm here to guide you and educate you. And it's
Speaker 3: your body. You do what makes you happy? You do
Speaker 3: you boo, because that's what are we going to do.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask you a couple controversial questions. Sure, vaccines.
Speaker 1: Do we agree with the vaccines?
Speaker 3: Wish vaccines? Are we talking about? Now?
Speaker 1: Are there vaccines you don't agree with? No, there aren't.
Speaker 3: That being said, I'm a scientist at heart. I would
Speaker 3: like a little bit more information as far as going
Speaker 3: into well, not at this point in time, but in
Speaker 3: the very very beginning, I would have liked more information
Speaker 3: given to us about the COVID vaccines and exactly you know,
Speaker 3: what went down, how it happened, how all of a
Speaker 3: sudden we have the technology that we didn't have years before,
Speaker 3: or access to it, blah blah blah, all those things.
Speaker 3: But fast forward to now, I think we're in a
Speaker 3: much better place. So I am much more comfortable in
Speaker 3: my gut.
Speaker 1: Anytime somebody is sick in the comment section. I say
Speaker 1: this because it happens to me personally. It is I
Speaker 1: bet you got the vaccine. I bet they got the vaccine.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: I'm going to try to separate the doctor from the
Speaker 3: person here.
Speaker 1: You don't have to if you don't want to, but okay.
Speaker 3: It's very hard to do, so I'm just going to
Speaker 3: go with it. The vaccine, the virus itself, it's very,
Speaker 3: very inflammatory. That's one aspect of it. The other aspect
Speaker 3: of it, we as a society and as a human
Speaker 3: race are getting less and less healthy because we have
Speaker 3: access to not good food. We're not exercising, we're not sleeping.
Speaker 1: Well, you're looking right at me.
Speaker 3: We're stressed all as fuck. You're looking right at So
Speaker 3: at baseline we are unhealthy. So that vaccine's you know,
Speaker 3: whatever inflammatory responses that we're promoted. And then you have
Speaker 3: a baseline unhealthy person. That's a bad mixture. So if
Speaker 3: you are, say a twenty year old that has no
Speaker 3: problems and is completely healthy, and you're like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to get the vaccine because of X, Y and Z.
Speaker 1: That was kind of me.
Speaker 3: I wasn't twenty, I was in my thirties, but I
Speaker 3: was completely healthy. I didn't get the vaccine. I got
Speaker 3: sick and I had a shit year recovering from COVID.
Speaker 3: That was not fun. So when I got better and
Speaker 3: I could, I went ahead and I got the vaccine.
Speaker 3: If you're in your sixties and you have asthma, or
Speaker 3: you're diabetic, or those are no brainers, you should be
Speaker 3: getting the vaccine or I shouldn't say should again not
Speaker 3: try to impose anything, but we highly recommend that you
Speaker 3: get the vaccine because getting COVID can be very detrimental
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 1: I just so you know, I believe most people want
Speaker 1: their doctors to tell them what they should do. I
Speaker 1: don't think that you're saying anything incorrectly from a doctor's
Speaker 1: perspective saying you should do this. It's your professional opinion.
Speaker 1: You went to school. I didn't go to school, So
Speaker 1: I'm coming to you for that advice. If people have
Speaker 1: a problem with that, it's a little weird, but I
Speaker 1: know we live in a weird time. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I am in trusted in and I clearly
Speaker 1: I'm a lay person asking this question. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that's happening clearly post COVID. It could be
Speaker 1: post vaccines. It could also be COVID. I got the vaccine,
Speaker 1: and I got COVID twice, And did I GAD twice
Speaker 1: or three to twice the third time is debatable. I
Speaker 1: kept testing negative, but in my head, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is just like the last few times I got
Speaker 1: COVID with that vaccine. Knock on wood, it was so mild.
Speaker 1: I thought I had allergies both times. That's what I
Speaker 1: thought it was both times. Still, if something were to
Speaker 1: happen to me, because I did get really sick like
Speaker 1: a year ago, I don't attribute that to the vaccine.
Speaker 1: I don't attribute that to COVID. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of things that people are saying happened. I believe my doctors.
Speaker 1: I want to trust them. There was a team from
Speaker 1: a great hospital, Hackensack, we love you. Things could happen
Speaker 1: just because you had COVID as well. Right, it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily just a vaccine that did this. It could be
Speaker 1: effects that we're seeing from actually having gotten COVID, maybe
Speaker 1: from not having gotten that vaccine and having a bad
Speaker 1: case of it.
Speaker 3: Yep, there's a lot to be said because there's so
Speaker 3: many variables. There are so many variables that we just
Speaker 3: are unaware of. That's the big thing, right, You fear
Speaker 3: what you don't know, and there's a lot that we
Speaker 3: don't know. There are people walking around that got the
Speaker 3: vaccine I'm sorry, got the virus, got the actual infection,
Speaker 3: but didn't show any overt symptoms, so they weren't.
Speaker 1: Y Yeah, we're convinced one of them works here and
Speaker 1: he's like patient zero for everything. Diamond am I right, And.
Speaker 3: It's very very possible. Now, just because that individual didn't
Speaker 3: show any symptoms doesn't mean there wasn't shit going on
Speaker 3: in the body, right, doesn't mean you know, there were
Speaker 3: changes happening, there was inflammation happening, so that the next
Speaker 3: time the body was exposed to either the virus or
Speaker 3: to the vaccine or whatever, that that wasn't enhanced. It
Speaker 3: is not one hundred percent valid to say the statement, oh,
Speaker 3: this was caused by the vaccine, or this was caused
Speaker 3: by the virus itself, the infection.
Speaker 1: We don't know what. We don't know exactly. There's a
Speaker 1: lot that we still don't know so much. Every day
Speaker 1: there's stuff that you don't know because I think that
Speaker 1: a big part of this is we live in a
Speaker 1: society where you and just again google anything and get
Speaker 1: an answer to it. So when something happens and there
Speaker 1: isn't an answer, people are outraged and they're livid and
Speaker 1: they want to call everybody else stupid for not having
Speaker 1: an answer, while those people are actively working on getting it.
Speaker 1: Things change. Information changes. Just because something changed from day
Speaker 1: one today three hundred and sixty five doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: were lied to. No, it means that's the information we
Speaker 1: had at the time. Now this is the information.
Speaker 3: That is Can we like underline bold and highlight that
Speaker 3: statement of yours because that is so so correct. People
Speaker 3: were giving us so much shit for well, yesterday you
Speaker 3: said this, and now you're saying this, and it's like, no,
Speaker 3: we're not flip flopping an opinion. This is based on
Speaker 3: the medical data that we have to go off of.
Speaker 3: Medicine changes every five to seven major guidelines I should
Speaker 3: say change every five to seven years, depending on what
Speaker 3: the preceding research shows. So that happens for blood pressure,
Speaker 3: that happens for diabetes. I mean heck, that happens for
Speaker 3: like how we treat skin rash. Like, some things just
Speaker 3: change because we come to see that. You know, there's
Speaker 3: more data that we can analyze and we get different
Speaker 3: set of results. But when it came to COVID, I
Speaker 3: think it was just enhanced because it was a pandemic.
Speaker 3: People were nutty, rightfully, so sometimes.
Speaker 1: It immediately became political.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody was scared. I mean, I think the worst
Speaker 3: thing that happened was the whole science was put on
Speaker 3: the back burner and politics was full. And I'm like, wait,
Speaker 3: what the hell we're scientists, Why the fuck what? Yeah,
Speaker 3: none of us understood what was going on. None of
Speaker 3: us physicians, i should say, ethical sound practice physicians understood
Speaker 3: what the fuck is going on.
Speaker 1: It was chaos. Give people some very easy, doable advice
Speaker 1: on how you can fix your health or start to
Speaker 1: fix your health right now.
Speaker 3: This is all going to be easier said than done.
Speaker 3: It's six yes, it is. It's a work in progress. Heck,
Speaker 3: I'm still working on it. Eat healthier, Try to avoid
Speaker 3: processed foods. It's cheesy, but if Mother Earth didn't make it,
Speaker 3: try not to eat it. We live in a society
Speaker 3: that that is very difficult to do. And I understand,
Speaker 3: and I understand. You know, apples and fruits and vegetables
Speaker 3: are expensive, and you know there's so many variables fighting
Speaker 3: against you to eat healthy. Just take it slow and
Speaker 3: try to avoid those processed foods and just eat a
Speaker 3: little bit better, be more mindful, move it, move your butt. Exercise.
Speaker 3: If you don't exercise, there's so much that you're predisposing
Speaker 3: your body too. There's so many health risks. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to get into them, obviously, but it's bad stuff.
Speaker 3: At least thirty minutes a day, cut off everything, cut
Speaker 3: off technologies, go for a walk. It doesn't have to
Speaker 3: be you know, I'm in the gym and I'm like
Speaker 3: weightlifting and I'm bench pressing two hundred pounds. Nope, don't
Speaker 3: go from zero to one hundred. Just even starting to
Speaker 3: walk a little bit every day. If you're not doing anything.
Speaker 3: To begin with, sleep, yeah, yeah, yeah, when you're when
Speaker 3: you're sleeping, you may think, hey, i'm sleeping, everything's off. No,
Speaker 3: there's so much stuff going on in your body. Things
Speaker 3: are firing at all cylinders to try to get you healthy,
Speaker 3: to try to restore your mechanisms and improve your energy
Speaker 3: and all this shit for the next day. So please, please,
Speaker 3: please try to get at least seven hours of sleep nightly.
Speaker 1: The seven hours of sleep doesn't have to be all
Speaker 1: at once. Can I split it up? No, I can't
Speaker 1: split it up. No, I've read that I could.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Okay, all time, yes, yes, lah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: And this isn't doctor cor saying that this is the
Speaker 3: American Academy of Sleep and all those other big ways. Okay,
Speaker 3: years of research ship shown anyways, at least seven hours okay,
Speaker 3: Make meaningful relationships, you know, connect with people.
Speaker 1: I think that's the hardest one. That is that you
Speaker 1: say it is.
Speaker 3: It probably is. But you know, even if you have
Speaker 3: just that one person could be a family member, spouse,
Speaker 3: a friend, just somebody to vent to, to talk to,
Speaker 3: to laugh with. You know, it's very important. Please don't
Speaker 3: do drugs. Please don't smoke. Please don't put anything in
Speaker 3: your body.
Speaker 1: You're counting marijuana though it's legal now as a drug. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: as you should, No, you should. I'm asking these questions
Speaker 1: for a reason. By the way, she's probably laughing because
Speaker 1: when she was doing a really good job in our
Speaker 1: science classes, I was skipping with Kyle to go smoke.
Speaker 3: So yes, please, And you know, let me say that
Speaker 3: that also includes alcohol. A lot of people dismiss alcohol
Speaker 3: as a drug. They think, oh, she's talking about you know, cocaine,
Speaker 3: marijuana and all those all those things. No, talking about
Speaker 3: alcohol too. And I know studies in the past had
Speaker 3: shown that six ounces of red wine for women and
Speaker 3: eight ounces of red wine for men at night actually
Speaker 3: promote cardiovascular health.
Speaker 1: And blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: No, at the end of the day, alcohol is alcohol.
Speaker 3: It is toxic to your body. It's excess sugar. Let's
Speaker 3: minimize that. Oh stress, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: That might be the hardest one. Actually stress.
Speaker 3: We're all under some kind of stress, right, But find
Speaker 3: at least fifteen to thirty minutes in your day where
Speaker 3: you just shut down. Meditation is really good. But I
Speaker 3: know we can't all do it. Heck, I can't do it.
Speaker 3: I tried like three times and failed miserably. Do whatever
Speaker 3: relaxes you that doesn't involve alcohol.
Speaker 1: Okay, last question for you. Of those six pillars, which
Speaker 1: one do you struggle with the most?
Speaker 3: Food?
Speaker 1: Same food? Actually all six? What am I talking about?
Speaker 3: I'm not a big sweets person, I'd rather have like
Speaker 3: a twenty ounce rabbi over a cheesecake, which they're both
Speaker 3: bad in their own way, but I'm sugar is very addictive.
Speaker 3: Foods are addictive, So yeah, I understand.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you want to add before
Speaker 1: we get out of here.
Speaker 3: I just want people to know that there is a
Speaker 3: better way to get your primary care. I know insurances
Speaker 3: are important for a lot of things. I don't want
Speaker 3: to completely bad mouth them, because when you're in the hospital,
Speaker 3: I mean one hundred to two hundred thousand dollars bills,
Speaker 3: who's going to put that bill right? It's going to
Speaker 3: be the insurance company. But for your regular day to
Speaker 3: day primary care, you don't need to go to your
Speaker 3: insurance based physicians. They're great physicians, but they're bound by
Speaker 3: the rules and restrictions of the insurance companies that they
Speaker 3: work for. And I say that they work for them
Speaker 3: because as physicians, you contract with an insurance company and
Speaker 3: that insurance company tells you what you need to do
Speaker 3: in order to get reimbursed. So that's essentially an employer.
Speaker 3: And yes, we are board certified physicians who are allowed
Speaker 3: to practice medicine, and we are credible.
Speaker 1: Board certified physicians very important. Yes, when finding a doctor.
Speaker 3: I know it's daunting to ask people to just give
Speaker 3: me their credit card and let's sign you up. So
Speaker 3: what we offer patients to do is because we want
Speaker 3: people to be comfortable. Your primary care position somebody that
Speaker 3: you should have a personable relationship with that you feel
Speaker 3: comfortable sitting down and talking about all your health issues with. Right,
Speaker 3: So we invite people to come in for a meet
Speaker 3: and greet. It's completely complimentary, free, and they come into
Speaker 3: the office, they tour the office so they see, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm in here. I actually feel like a VIPM the
Speaker 3: only person. Everything I have has a little bit of
Speaker 3: a finer touch to you. You just feel special, you know.
Speaker 3: And then you come and you talk to me and
Speaker 3: you tell me what is it that you expect from
Speaker 3: your primary care physician and can I fulfill those expectations?
Speaker 3: And then vice versa. I ask you, hey, as a patient,
Speaker 3: what is it that you're looking for? And am I
Speaker 3: comfortable providing that to you? And it's kind of like
Speaker 3: a first date with your doctor. And if you like
Speaker 3: what you hear, see and you know, learn about, then
Speaker 3: we sign you up. And if not. Then we guide
Speaker 3: you to somewhere that you would be more comfortable.
Speaker 1: You're probably going to have a lot of men being
Speaker 1: like someone say a first date with a doctor, Sign
Speaker 1: me up, she's married. Now they know that if they
Speaker 1: didn't before. Perfect. All right, one more time, drop your
Speaker 1: location and how they can get a hold of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, So it is k core MD in Coral Springs, Florida,
Speaker 3: and our phone numbers ninety five four nine four seven
Speaker 3: zero three two seven. The website is www dot kka
Speaker 3: U r MD dot com.
Speaker 1: One piece of advice for you. Nobody remembers phone numbers
Speaker 1: or writes some down anymore. That's true. So when you
Speaker 1: are telling people, we laugh about this all the time.
Speaker 1: When they give us copy and they're like call blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. I'm like, these people are in their car,
Speaker 1: They're not out their phone writing that down.
Speaker 3: I never thought about that.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Websites, website, website, hit it. If you have an Instagram,
Speaker 1: hit it the instagram. Yes you do. You want to
Speaker 1: see her office? It looks like a spa.
Speaker 3: Where can they find it at doctor kka U r
Speaker 3: m D.
Speaker 1: There you go, yep. I think you'll get more traffic
Speaker 1: that way. Hey, yay, thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 1: Thank you all the way to New York just to
Speaker 1: do this podcast well and have a good time.
Speaker 3: I was very, very excited to come, not only to
Speaker 3: do the podcast, but to kind of see you living
Speaker 3: your dream.
Speaker 1: I mean I was talking out my dream. Well no,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding it totally is. I love it. This
Speaker 1: is amazing. No, it's great.
Speaker 3: I mean who would have thought, right, Yeah, And I'm
Speaker 3: so glad because we don't come from a culture that
Speaker 3: really promotes people doing things outside of the box. So
Speaker 3: I am so happy for you.
Speaker 1: Well, please know from outside of the box. I am
Speaker 1: clapping for you inside of the box. And I think
Speaker 1: what you're doing is awesome. I'm really really proud of you.
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, thank you. Okay. So the thing
Speaker 1: that she wants to do now, I don't even know
Speaker 1: if I should say, actually, you know what, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say it because until she locks it in, I
Speaker 1: don't want to tip her hat and then maybe somebody
Speaker 1: else slides in and does it. But trust me, when
Speaker 1: she does it, I will tell everyone because it would
Speaker 1: be awesome and it would impact me personally, So I
Speaker 1: would love that. Yeah. Anyway, Oh, that's exciting. I'm excited
Speaker 1: for it. I love everything that has to do with
Speaker 1: health care and helping people to better handle their own
Speaker 1: health care and medical issues. And we know how fucked
Speaker 1: this country is when it comes to healthcare, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people are like you say that you you
Speaker 1: want socialized healthcare like other countries. No, I just want
Speaker 1: our country to not suck at it. Yep, hello, hello,
Speaker 1: it's probably not that difficult. It used to not suck
Speaker 1: at it. It has started to suck at it. But
Speaker 1: is that getting political or people gonna bitch about that?
Speaker 2: I don't know who cares you? Right, Yolo?
Speaker 1: It's political season, baby, Oh, I'm so excited. It's my
Speaker 1: favorite happening, favorite, is it? Yes? Why the fall? Okay,
Speaker 1: so the fall or political.
Speaker 2: Political season is a part of it. So it's number
Speaker 2: one my birthday. But you have football starting. Baseball is
Speaker 2: getting serious. Basketball will be here by the end of October,
Speaker 2: depending on the season, right, I think they do September.
Speaker 2: Now I get confused. Uh, politicians are losing it right now,
Speaker 2: and so it's the rest of the country.
Speaker 1: You're just alongside with them.
Speaker 2: And then you just know that you're going to be
Speaker 2: able to hang out with family soon. So it just
Speaker 2: it feels good and the weather feels good. It's just
Speaker 2: my favorite time of the year.
Speaker 1: Is good time of the year. I appreciate it too.
Speaker 1: What I hate, which I've said this on the air,
Speaker 1: is everybody trying to rush to the next thing. Like
Speaker 1: we're in summer and people are like counting down the fall.
Speaker 1: Can you just fucking enjoy summer? Can you just enjoy
Speaker 1: the summer because fall is gonna get here at some
Speaker 1: point and then you can enjoy the fall. Now you
Speaker 1: got Danielle counting down to Thanksgiving and Christmas. I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn it, woman, that's insane. We need to be present,
Speaker 1: be in the here, be here now. It's no be
Speaker 1: in the now, be here now, be in the here.
Speaker 2: What is that.
Speaker 1: I really tried for something I failed? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: how was your weekend?
Speaker 2: It was gonna spend time with my aunt. People give
Speaker 2: me crap. They say I'm supposed to say aunt, and.
Speaker 1: I say aunts and auntie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a un t and aunt is something that you
Speaker 2: step on right well, or should it be you don't
Speaker 2: step on.
Speaker 1: It, but hunt hunt, because like see unt is oh oh,
Speaker 1: I never thought, okay, whatever, I like Aunt. I've always
Speaker 1: called people auntie and aunt. I think I may be
Speaker 1: a very cultural thing, maybe, right, Aunt Susan I always
Speaker 1: say Susan Auntie.
Speaker 2: Like anyway, Okay, it was great. And then I went
Speaker 2: to church with my grandfather yesterday. It was interesting, but
Speaker 2: it was cool.
Speaker 1: An episcopal church, yes, or as Scary would say, episcopical, Yes,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: It was intense.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know the differences. So what was intense
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 2: The main thing is that number one, you have to
Speaker 2: stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up,
Speaker 2: sit down.
Speaker 1: I was like okay.
Speaker 2: But then when they're reading the Word of God, they
Speaker 2: kind of like sing it. So they're like, i'll have
Speaker 2: Father art in heaven, hallow be thy name. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: hold on now, babes, what if you don't know the song? No,
Speaker 2: it's the scripture, so you're reading, but what if you
Speaker 2: don't know the notes? Oh? I think they just like
Speaker 2: it's just like a hum. And I was like, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: what's going on here? And I kept looking at my dad.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you were raised in this church. This is
Speaker 2: probably why you don't come, do you?
Speaker 1: Go to church regular.
Speaker 2: No, okay, I mean like I was raised in like
Speaker 2: I like to say, the church atmosphere, because I went
Speaker 2: to like Christian schools growing up, and we had to
Speaker 2: go to like church every morning. Yeah, and so like
Speaker 2: we did like daily devotions and we did praise and
Speaker 2: worship and it was fun. You know.
Speaker 1: He was a private school your whole life.
Speaker 2: Well, no, not for high school.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I was about to be very I'm still
Speaker 1: very surprised. Come on. I went to church a few
Speaker 1: times with friends and it didn't really work out.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I went to like a Sunday school once. My sister
Speaker 1: and I both went and she asked a question and
Speaker 1: they asked us to leave, which I'm sure the church
Speaker 1: has changed since then and they're a little more open minded.
Speaker 1: They were really mad in her question. Valid question, by
Speaker 1: the way, we were little well with a friend. Her
Speaker 1: question was, so apparently Adam was made from the dust, right,
Speaker 1: but then Eve was made from Adam's rib. And my
Speaker 1: sister was like, I don't understand that, because if there
Speaker 1: was so much other dirt and dust around, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: they just ended it from the same because they're equal.
Speaker 1: And we were asked to leave the class rude. By
Speaker 1: the way, my sister had a point, should I be?
Speaker 1: And she was a little kid thinking that way she
Speaker 1: was little, she had to be like, six.
Speaker 2: You're not the only ones. I have a friend who
Speaker 2: was His parents were called to get him, like pick
Speaker 2: him up from Sunday school because he asked I can't
Speaker 2: remember the question, but he challenged the Sunday school teacher
Speaker 2: and she got upset. Instead of like actually trying to
Speaker 2: have a conversation or saying, hey, listen, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: we're looking to it. I'll come back whatever, she got
Speaker 2: upset and called his parents that's insane, and he had
Speaker 2: to sit upstairs with the big kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you anything, whether it's a relationship,
Speaker 1: it's a religion, whatever, If it discourages questions, yeah, get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of there, because that's crazy. You should
Speaker 1: be able to ask questions and if there's an answer,
Speaker 1: think about it. But to just be like, don't don't
Speaker 1: you dare question that? That's crazy, that's fucking wild. Can't
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, escort it out of the fucking.
Speaker 2: That though, Like there's so much more dirt, So I'm like,
Speaker 2: why do you have to take his rib right, it's hilarious, nonsensible.
Speaker 1: Also, don't get me started on black Jesus or brown
Speaker 1: Jesus whatever. That caused a lot of controversy in my
Speaker 1: life too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand that. But then I also grew
Speaker 2: up in like like black churches and stuff, so like.
Speaker 1: Did you guys have black Jesus? Of course, Oh, thank god,
Speaker 1: are you kidding?
Speaker 2: Okay, skin of bronze, hair of wool, Come on, you can't,
Speaker 2: I mean whatever. I was just like arguing with people.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm not gonna argue with you about it,
Speaker 2: but like people who are listening.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest arguments I got into with one
Speaker 1: of my best friends in the whole world was about
Speaker 1: that because he's black and his family obviously black, but
Speaker 1: they have white Jesus in the house. And the way
Speaker 1: that I was raised, it was like a no brainer
Speaker 1: that Jesus was not white. Yeah, if you just look
Speaker 1: at the region, if you look at the description, you know,
Speaker 1: Bethlehem's and Palestine, it's a brown person. Yep, Like you said,
Speaker 1: skin of bronze, hair of wool. So I just kind
Speaker 1: of always thought it was that way, and my dad
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, white people want to make
Speaker 1: it white and that's okay, but whatever, Jesus was not white.
Speaker 1: And I asked my friend, why do you guys have
Speaker 1: white Jesus? And WHOA? To this day, he won't talk
Speaker 1: to me about it. What Yeah, And I'm like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: to this day, to this day, I don't talk about
Speaker 1: I don't want talk about it. Yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about it. I said, Okay, whatever works for you.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to fight. I don't want to fight
Speaker 1: you to death on this. I actually debating religion with
Speaker 1: people is never a good good thing. People want to
Speaker 1: have what they want to have, and that's fine. Man.
Speaker 1: If I want to get in a fight with him today,
Speaker 1: I still bring that up.
Speaker 2: White Jesus is crazy? Like how and as a black person?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, okay, cheers. I'll leave that right there. Okay.
Speaker 1: If people want to come find you, Diamond, where will
Speaker 1: they find you?
Speaker 2: At?
Speaker 1: Diamond?
Speaker 2: Sincere on Instagram?
Speaker 1: And I am at Baby Hot Sauce on Instagram and
Speaker 1: O threads and Twitter. Actually actually no, on threads. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm Baby Hot Sauce.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: I think I just got the name of my yeah
Speaker 1: Instagram handle, right, Yeah, yeah, I don't think you can
Speaker 1: change it. I don't really tweet a lot, or thread
Speaker 1: a lot or excellent. I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 1: you call it anymore either, I don't do those things anymore.
Speaker 1: Okay until next week. Say bye bye yah