Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia.
Speaker 2: The Meta podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain
Speaker 3: Time on Thursday, October twenty fourth, and we're live from
Speaker 3: Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randall Williams,
Speaker 3: joined today by Brody Henderson and Seth Morris. We've got
Speaker 3: yet another great show for you today. We've got a
Speaker 3: rut report from the one and only Mark Kenyon. We've
Speaker 3: got one minute fishing, We're gonna do a little show
Speaker 3: and tell, and we've got another hot tip off. But
Speaker 3: before we get to all that, we're gonna talk to
Speaker 3: a man who built a doggy door for a bear.
Speaker 3: You like that, phil Is? She is just a great
Speaker 3: sent Brodie, Seth, how are you guys doing today? Fantastic
Speaker 3: getting a little excited for rifle opener here in.
Speaker 4: My t it's almost here, Saturday, very close, very close.
Speaker 4: I can't wait.
Speaker 3: And Brody, you just got out this pass.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not even going out this weekend. We just
Speaker 5: got off the youth hunt and uh, four families, four groups.
Speaker 3: Of kids, six kids total, killed six bucks.
Speaker 4: In a day and a half.
Speaker 3: It's pretty impressive. That's cold killers out and that satiated
Speaker 3: your deer hunting bug for a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not gonna hunt deer until till the ruck
Speaker 5: kicks in around here in mid November.
Speaker 3: Nice. Yeah, that's a good feeling to have that freezer
Speaker 3: partially filled. Oh yeah, well you got a moose. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: that's like wave never mind. Yeah, your freezer is probably
Speaker 3: got a second one going.
Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, I'm not in any rush.
Speaker 3: Well, a quick reminder for our listeners. We are going
Speaker 3: to be doing a Q and a halfway through and
Speaker 3: then again at the end of the show. So if
Speaker 3: you got a question or a comment, or you want
Speaker 3: us to address whatever is on your mind, please feel
Speaker 3: free to drop that in the chat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and on that note, we actually just got a
Speaker 6: really pertinent question from Bart. He's asking if does Brody
Speaker 6: know that he lost Trivia after the.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a great question, Bart Brody. A few weeks
Speaker 3: ago when Jannis hosted Trivia, there was a question about
Speaker 3: what's the what's the name of the what's the word?
Speaker 3: The term a certain type of hibernation that animals go through,
Speaker 3: and he was.
Speaker 7: Asking you, how was the reptile one.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but it's also actually applies to amphibians, and
Speaker 3: so my answer of salamander was in fact correct, And
Speaker 3: so you and I should not have gone to the
Speaker 3: tiebreaker that you then won. So in fact I won
Speaker 3: that game.
Speaker 7: Right, you know, you got to win one once in
Speaker 7: a while, Bud.
Speaker 3: Wow, they delayed gratification is still gratification? All right, Well,
Speaker 3: we we are going to to turn now to our
Speaker 3: first guest, Kurt Siewe, who's coming to us live from
Speaker 3: North Vancouver, British Columbia. Kurt, welcome to the show.
Speaker 8: Good morning guys, Thank you.
Speaker 3: How are you doing?
Speaker 8: Very good?
Speaker 3: Excellent? So, Kurt, you know a lot of us have
Speaker 3: had issues as homeowners with wildlife and all sorts of
Speaker 3: other creatures, but you have a particularly interesting example that
Speaker 3: you're going to share with us today. Can you tell
Speaker 3: us a little bit about the issue you had and
Speaker 3: how you solved it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Okay, So the issue was we moved here ten years
Speaker 9: ago and the fence on either side was pretty old
Speaker 9: and it had these big holes on it. We weren't
Speaker 9: really sure why, so I patched them up. Within weeks
Speaker 9: we realized we're on a bear root and he just
Speaker 9: kept punching through the fence leading the holes. So he'd
Speaker 9: go through and break it, I'd fix it, so I
Speaker 9: just eventually stopped and left it open.
Speaker 5: Was this a black bear or grizzly bear?
Speaker 10: Yeah, black bear.
Speaker 9: There's probably three or four that hang around the area,
Speaker 9: but there's this one big one that the last two years,
Speaker 9: he comes by consistently, probably two or three times a
Speaker 9: week from June to September.
Speaker 3: And this is just his route. He's claimed it.
Speaker 9: Well, we're on his route, and it wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 9: Like I had my night cameras where we'd watch it,
Speaker 9: we'd see him during the day sometimes. It wasn't a
Speaker 9: big deal until month ago we put in a new
Speaker 9: fence all the way down on the south side and
Speaker 9: eight foot seater. I think he can see the picture
Speaker 9: right now and if he either climb it or he'd
Speaker 9: go around right just. I didn't think he'd break it.
Speaker 9: But within two days, my wife and I were sitting
Speaker 9: watching Netflix, maybe seven pm, and we look over and
Speaker 9: I just see the sheet the pine boards just being
Speaker 9: punched out.
Speaker 10: I go run and out and he's out there just punching.
Speaker 8: The boards out. He didn't wreck anything.
Speaker 10: Which was fantastic, but you could see the picture.
Speaker 9: He knocked the whole panel out and then just went
Speaker 9: on his way, and I chased him up the driveway.
Speaker 9: He couldn't care less, And so we're on a route.
Speaker 9: He goes from the river, which he back onto up
Speaker 9: to the street and he goes through our yard.
Speaker 4: Gotcha, Kurt, is this bear messing with anything other than
Speaker 4: your fence or he's just just messing the fence up
Speaker 4: as he comes by.
Speaker 8: He just the fence.
Speaker 9: He wants food. Like I've got a dog, he doesn't bother.
Speaker 9: He's got kids, he doesn't bother I used to have chickens,
Speaker 9: he doesn't bother them.
Speaker 8: He's lazy, he's fat. He just wants food.
Speaker 9: And he wants bug him and he just goes on
Speaker 9: his way.
Speaker 3: So tell us about how you solved this issue.
Speaker 9: So I'm outside and I see the broken paddle, and
Speaker 9: I'm like, I'm not gonna just leave it open. I've
Speaker 9: got a new fence now, paid good money, So i
Speaker 9: just rapped a three foot by three foot opening for
Speaker 9: a couple of days. So yeah, there you see it now.
Speaker 9: And then I'm like, hey, but raccoon's every coyote is
Speaker 9: everything else my dog Faggor's kids can get through. I'm like,
Speaker 9: I don't want to just leave it open. So my
Speaker 9: wife's like, let's just let's put a doggy door or
Speaker 9: a cat door, but we'll make at a bear door.
Speaker 9: And I'm by no meat the carpenter handyman. So I'm like, well, okay,
Speaker 9: cool Saturday project. I go to Rona whatever from Depault,
Speaker 9: buy some hinges. Round one doesn't work at all, so
Speaker 9: that I just take a day off. A little frustrated
Speaker 9: that I grab some copper pipe, put it in and
Speaker 9: on the top, and then it starts to swing. And
Speaker 9: my buddy.
Speaker 10: Of mine, as a joke I was doing, he sends
Speaker 10: me the bear sign.
Speaker 8: So Amazon package shows up. I crack it open.
Speaker 10: It's this bear sign. I'm like, oh, what the hell?
Speaker 9: And it's it was him as a joke, because this
Speaker 9: whole thing is a joke. We're not thinking this is
Speaker 9: going to work.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I put the.
Speaker 9: Bear sign on the door and I set my rol
Speaker 9: security camera up right above it on my house because
Speaker 9: this this is about ten feet from my front door,
Speaker 9: and well, those steeper works.
Speaker 10: It's a long shot.
Speaker 9: But we didn't expect anything to happen, and sure enough,
Speaker 9: like maybe ten days later, we catch the video of
Speaker 9: him going through and it's the coolest thing.
Speaker 3: Ever, and oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 9: So that's on my neighbor's side. Yeah, I put a
Speaker 9: camera on my neighbor's side too. So there's another video
Speaker 9: I don't I think I sent it is where he
Speaker 9: actually walks up and he taps on the on the
Speaker 9: bear sign to kind of test.
Speaker 8: It, and it's hilarious. So I get the video.
Speaker 9: It's like six in the morning when I get up,
Speaker 9: get the video and send it to my neighbor, who
Speaker 9: sends it to the Bear Society.
Speaker 10: Local Bear Society.
Speaker 9: Canadians are really nice, so we want to just make
Speaker 9: sure everybody's happy. And they posted on Instagram and it
Speaker 9: just explodes and I'm not on Instagram or TikTok. It
Speaker 9: explodes in the neighborhood, and then Global News calls me,
Speaker 9: they put me on TV to an interview, and then
Speaker 9: CBC News calls me. They posted on TikTok and Instagram.
Speaker 9: Within like four days, it's got over five million views.
Speaker 9: And then now I'm I'm asked being asked to talk
Speaker 9: about it on a regular.
Speaker 10: Basis and my kids and that are having a blast because.
Speaker 9: This is just a joke, and it's just it's gone viral.
Speaker 9: Their dad, who's almost fifty, has gone viral, and so
Speaker 9: we're all just Last Thursday, when we're at about nine
Speaker 9: hundred thousand views, my sister texts me, She's like, Kurt,
Speaker 9: you're at like nine hundred and fifty thousand views on
Speaker 9: this bear video of yours. So I start watching it
Speaker 9: and just refreshed, refreshed. My girls come home to school,
Speaker 9: it's getting closer to a million, closer to a million,
Speaker 9: and then across is a million views, and we start
Speaker 9: jumping around, hugging, celebrating, and then we're kind of like, now,
Speaker 9: what is Jimmy callon?
Speaker 10: Gonna call?
Speaker 8: Differently? Do we call someone? What should we do?
Speaker 9: And you know, we just have a total blast with it,
Speaker 9: and you know, my fifteen minutes of fame is almost over,
Speaker 9: and but we're we're riding this out.
Speaker 8: It's been really fun.
Speaker 3: That's great. So are any other have you seen any
Speaker 3: other bears or any other wildlife interested in using the
Speaker 3: door or is it just a big guy?
Speaker 9: So just the bear, A couple of dogs he tried
Speaker 9: it won't go through because even if they can't push it,
Speaker 9: they're going to get pinched. Probably some of the most
Speaker 9: fun is when I went on to TikTok hearing how
Speaker 9: the Americans.
Speaker 4: The bringing up with Kurt here.
Speaker 8: This guy is so awesome.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, we lost you for just a second, you
Speaker 3: said the Americans, and then we lost you there. You
Speaker 3: could go anywhere you are with it.
Speaker 9: The options are endlest know the Americans the comments the
Speaker 9: Americans left versus the Canadians. The Canadians are all like, oh,
Speaker 9: this guy's so great, hugs and kisses, and I'm going
Speaker 9: to do that in my yard with my bear, and
Speaker 9: the the Americans are like, didn't this guy have a bullet?
Speaker 9: And this is like a typical Canadian, what doesn't he
Speaker 9: have any guns?
Speaker 3: Yep, it's an interesting sociological experiment.
Speaker 7: Typically in this situation, that bear would get a name.
Speaker 4: Have you have you named him yet?
Speaker 8: We mean of fat ass, just because.
Speaker 4: I love it. That's perfect.
Speaker 3: Have you have you had any contact with the local
Speaker 3: Fish and Game agency or the wildlife managers in that area?
Speaker 3: What do they think of it?
Speaker 8: No, we haven't.
Speaker 9: But that's intentional on our parts because in North Vancouver,
Speaker 9: there's the two extremes. People will like leave food out
Speaker 9: because they want to see the bear. The other extreme
Speaker 9: as they call the conservation officer at like any whiff
Speaker 9: of a bear. And so we don't call, and we
Speaker 9: don't leave food out. So we're trying to just keep
Speaker 9: it quiet, like enjoy the fact that the bears.
Speaker 10: In our yard on a regular basis.
Speaker 6: So, no, we have a We've got a question from Trevor.
Speaker 6: He says he thinks you're pretty good with animals after
Speaker 6: this whole thing. Do you have a history with any
Speaker 6: animals or live stock?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Nice question.
Speaker 9: Uh, yes, I have a live stock. It's a lot
Speaker 9: of very good history. I'm glad my wife isn't here
Speaker 9: answered this. But I've had donkeys and goats in the past,
Speaker 9: but it didn't go well and we didn't have them
Speaker 9: very long.
Speaker 8: I'm not a farmer.
Speaker 3: And well, I mean, it's got to be real satisfying
Speaker 3: when you see the bear go through the door. Do
Speaker 3: you have do you have any other I mean a treehouse?
Speaker 3: What's next for you? You're just gonna enjoy the door for
Speaker 3: a little while.
Speaker 10: So this is the south side of our yard.
Speaker 9: The north side of my yard is also on this
Speaker 9: route and currently has a broken tense and so we
Speaker 9: we've booked a guy to.
Speaker 10: Come build us a new one on the north side.
Speaker 10: So I'm going to build a.
Speaker 9: Bear door on the north side as well, because he
Speaker 9: again he comes in from the north.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and he's on the south.
Speaker 10: I've got another door to build.
Speaker 4: Is this bear visiting every day pretty much? Is he
Speaker 4: pretty consistent?
Speaker 8: Yeah, two to three times a week.
Speaker 9: And he I saw him this morning much further from
Speaker 9: my house, and anytime of day, he's just like today's
Speaker 9: garbage day where the bins are out, so he'll be
Speaker 9: walking up the street and knocking bins over and just
Speaker 9: again really slow, really laid back, just doing this thing
Speaker 9: looking for food.
Speaker 8: Doesn't bug any buddy.
Speaker 9: Some people freaked out, and others kind of just watch
Speaker 9: him and film him.
Speaker 4: He's just a nice Canadian bear, just in trouble south
Speaker 4: of the border.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Well, I'm glad he's out there with you guys.
Speaker 3: I'm glad he's up there with you guys.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And then when your studio reached out, I wanted to
Speaker 9: make it clear like I'm not shooting this bear.
Speaker 8: I'm not going to put him up on my wall and.
Speaker 9: This is as long as we understand that. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 9: not a hunter of guns, but I'm no hunter.
Speaker 3: Very cool. Well, thank you for sharing your story with us, Kurt,
Speaker 3: and thanks for joining us today. And good luck to
Speaker 3: you with that bear. Fencing is expensive, so I hope
Speaker 3: he doesn't take any more panels out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, thanks very much, guys.
Speaker 4: You all right?
Speaker 3: Next, our next segment is the rut Report.
Speaker 6: Oh shoot, you know what, I totally forgot to make
Speaker 6: a drop for this.
Speaker 8: Are you?
Speaker 3: This is really randam It tells me to pause for sound.
Speaker 3: Well the thing here's the thing is actually go on.
Speaker 4: It's actually a really funny story because I just tail run.
Speaker 4: It's all ready here.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna tell you I'm about the tracks you
Speaker 3: byecause your weapon kids, goodbye.
Speaker 4: Don't decide to desert you.
Speaker 3: Oh I love that, nice randall I got Rickrolls nicely played,
Speaker 3: Phil nicely played.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 6: I lived my life on the internet like it's two
Speaker 6: thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: Don't we all?
Speaker 4: Beautiful?
Speaker 3: Beautiful time back then. The Red Report is where Mark
Speaker 3: Kenyon gives a white tail hunting forecast for each region.
Speaker 3: Take it away, Mark.
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, Mark Kenyon. Here with wired Hunt coming at
Speaker 11: you with the RUT report for October twenty fourth, twenty
Speaker 11: twenty four. And as you can see, I am in
Speaker 11: my truck, just got out of the tree. Want to
Speaker 11: get you the latest report. And what I'm seeing out
Speaker 11: here today, what I've been hearing from folks across the country,
Speaker 11: is that things are about to get much better for
Speaker 11: many of us across the country. The last seven days
Speaker 11: or so have been pretty slow. There's been a very warm,
Speaker 11: stable period of weather, but that's about to change in
Speaker 11: the coming few days. There's a cold front moving across,
Speaker 11: at least to the northern half of the country, which
Speaker 11: is going to trigger more daylight activity. And that is
Speaker 11: all on top of the fact that as we enter
Speaker 11: the last week of October, bucks testosterone levels, at least
Speaker 11: for that northern two thirds of the nation, those testosterone
Speaker 11: levels are rising and we are nearing the peak of
Speaker 11: scraping activity. We are nearing the peak of those bucks
Speaker 11: feeling rambunctious and ready to go, but we still don't
Speaker 11: have very many, if any doughs ready to breathe. That's
Speaker 11: about to happen for much of the country here any
Speaker 11: day now, but maybe not quite yet. So those bucks
Speaker 11: are out there searching for that first dough. They are
Speaker 11: on the prowl, they're making scrapes. This is the peak
Speaker 11: of scraping activity the entire year. Likely they are becoming
Speaker 11: more susceptible to calls, and they're absolutely moving more in daylight.
Speaker 11: In the South, that's gonna be a little bit different,
Speaker 11: as there's variable rut dates for many parts of the
Speaker 11: southern tier. But if you are north of the Mason
Speaker 11: Dixon line, for sure, the next seven to fourteen days
Speaker 11: it's going.
Speaker 4: To be exciting.
Speaker 3: I'm excited.
Speaker 4: That gets me fired up.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can feel my testosterone levels rising.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: Our next segment is one Minute Fishing.
Speaker 11: Do I feel lucky?
Speaker 12: We'll do you punk, Go ahead, make my cast.
Speaker 3: One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone
Speaker 3: who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish,
Speaker 3: and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars
Speaker 3: donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is
Speaker 3: Chris Mcaluso, who's on Lake Poncha Train in Louisiana and
Speaker 3: he is fishing for a donation to TRCP.
Speaker 4: Chris.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 13: Cold On Fellas how are y'all?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm doing fantastic. It looks like a beautiful day
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 10: Oh man, it is gorgeous.
Speaker 13: You know, if I had to, you know, if I
Speaker 13: had my brothers, it'd be about eight or ten degrees
Speaker 13: cooler because it's warm down here for late October.
Speaker 10: But gorgeous.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 13: Not a cloud in the sky, a little bit of
Speaker 13: bee's blowing. Catching a fish here and there, not.
Speaker 12: A bad day.
Speaker 3: What do you go for today? C mac?
Speaker 13: Well, you know, just about anything that bites. That's the
Speaker 13: cool thing about the Lake Ponta train area is it's
Speaker 13: fresh water, it's salt water, it's brackis you know, it
Speaker 13: could be just about anything. So just as an example,
Speaker 13: we've caught large mouth, fast speckled trout, croaker. We haven't
Speaker 13: caught a redfish yet, but we did catch a blue catfish.
Speaker 13: We caught an alligator guard. But we've called a big
Speaker 13: variety of fish. And the cool thing is this time
Speaker 13: of year the fisher really key it in on shrimp.
Speaker 13: The white shrimp start to come out of the marsh
Speaker 13: this time of year, and uh, and that's what just
Speaker 13: about everything in this base and eats, including the.
Speaker 4: Bass and the catfish and everything like that.
Speaker 13: So it's just always one of my favorite times a
Speaker 13: year to be out on the water, especially in this area.
Speaker 3: Lovely. What are you What are you rigged up? What's
Speaker 3: your rig there, Chris?
Speaker 13: Well, we we fished a variety of things. But as
Speaker 13: I mentioned today, you know, as I mentioned earlier, the
Speaker 13: fish are really keying in on shrimp. So I'm fishing
Speaker 13: a voodoo shrimp, which is a plastic shrimp imitation bait.
Speaker 13: I'll stick in front of the camera here.
Speaker 12: Let's see if folks can see it.
Speaker 13: Yah, voodoo shrimp about two and a half three feet
Speaker 13: under a poppy. Fantastic And usually I'll fish that voodoo shrimp,
Speaker 13: just not under the cork this time of the year,
Speaker 13: just kind of relined it.
Speaker 10: But things have slowed down a little bit.
Speaker 13: Our tide quick moving about an hour ago, and the
Speaker 13: fish really have stop more or less.
Speaker 10: So, uh, I'm not.
Speaker 13: All that uh optimistic about my one minute challenge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't bode well for a sixty second contest here, Uh,
Speaker 3: louill let us know. Are you are you ready to
Speaker 3: go for your for your one minute?
Speaker 4: I am ready to go.
Speaker 8: Man, Let's see we can make this happen.
Speaker 13: All right, he's been a spot where I've caught I've
Speaker 13: caught a couple of trout, and I've caught a couple
Speaker 13: of catfishing here already. So let's see we get another
Speaker 13: one to bit real quick.
Speaker 3: All righty well, we'll reel up and we will begin
Speaker 3: our timer when you cast.
Speaker 10: All right, here we go.
Speaker 3: Here we go, Chris mclusa one minute fishing for trcp.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 13: I will spend it. Today's not really reflective of how
Speaker 13: good the.
Speaker 10: Fishing has been.
Speaker 13: Yeah, you guys, meat Eater crew was was all down
Speaker 13: at yourris a couple of weeks ago. Uh, and I
Speaker 13: was down there at the same time. And uh, I'm
Speaker 13: hoping y'all's experience was similar to the one that I had,
Speaker 13: where we just thought pretty much whatever.
Speaker 2: We wanted to to fight your stuff.
Speaker 3: So let's see what we can make happen here, Phil,
Speaker 3: how are we doing on time?
Speaker 4: Got about twenty seconds left?
Speaker 3: Twenty seconds on the clock.
Speaker 13: Oh man, hop that cork poppin winny seconds.
Speaker 10: The pressure.
Speaker 13: I don't know if I could deal with the press fellas.
Speaker 3: It'll be over soon, don't worry.
Speaker 13: Oh, I just had a fight. Oh way, the court
Speaker 13: went down and take straight back up.
Speaker 6: Oh oh, that's the time right there.
Speaker 3: That's your time, sixty seconds. We'll have to get you
Speaker 3: back on here. Ce mac Man.
Speaker 13: I'd be happy to anytime. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 13: will like to, you know, throwing a plug for TRCP.
Speaker 13: I mean, we're doing so much good work in the
Speaker 13: marine fishery space right now, in addition to all the
Speaker 13: other great work that the organization's doing on public lands
Speaker 13: and water and everything else.
Speaker 10: That we work on.
Speaker 13: But you know, we're really making some headway on forge
Speaker 13: fish conservation, make it some headway on improving data collection
Speaker 13: for federal fisheries, and doing a lot of good habitat
Speaker 13: restoration advocacy, especially in Louisiana and up and down the
Speaker 13: Mississippi River basin. So I'd be happy to join you
Speaker 13: guys anytime to talk about any of that stuff.
Speaker 3: Wonderful. Well, hopefully you won't catch too much flak on
Speaker 3: the Monday morning leadership call for failing to secure that
Speaker 3: five hundred dollars donation, but please know that you're welcome
Speaker 3: back at any point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I don't suspect I'm gonna get a pink slip or anything,
Speaker 13: but I appreciate the opportunity.
Speaker 3: But they did just catch you out fishing on a Thursday.
Speaker 3: Well I look, I mean, oh no, he's gone time there.
Speaker 3: Oh no, Oh, that's disappointing. I always enjoy a chance
Speaker 3: to chat with my friend Chris there.
Speaker 4: Phil.
Speaker 3: Do we have any listener feedback for today, anything that
Speaker 3: needs addressing.
Speaker 6: I've got a couple things here is these questions for
Speaker 6: seth Oh. Are you planning to participate in any fishing
Speaker 6: competitions with Chester in the near future? Thank you for
Speaker 6: your answer.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'd like Now Chester's in Wisconsin, I'd
Speaker 4: like to get back and fish with those top notch
Speaker 4: fishermen in the Upper Midwest, so hopefully we can make
Speaker 4: some tournaments happen in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: Does the competition aspect of it is that appealing to
Speaker 3: you or is it just another excuse to like get
Speaker 3: out on the water X number of days this summer.
Speaker 4: It's pretty appealing. I'm not like a very competitive person,
Speaker 4: but when I was fishing those competitions here in Montana,
Speaker 4: it made the fishing just like that much more fun.
Speaker 4: Get your blood, boy, yeah, you know, just trying to
Speaker 4: especially when you're fishing against a bunch of really good fishermen. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like you just want to You just want to
Speaker 4: do good. Just makes you fish harder, makes you fish smarter.
Speaker 3: That's how I feel every day I come in this office.
Speaker 3: I just want to do good.
Speaker 6: This is a question for Randall. Yeah, it's from Matthew.
Speaker 6: Has there been any interest or thought on an audiobook
Speaker 6: on the history of Houndsman. Has this been a discussion
Speaker 6: with Steve? There are groups in Texas trying to change
Speaker 6: management from Mountain Lions and the stuff in Colorado.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, lots going on in the hound hunting and
Speaker 3: mountain lion hunting world. We have not actually talked about
Speaker 3: an audio book specifically on the history of Houndsman. We
Speaker 3: are working right now on the Mountain Men audiobook, and
Speaker 3: then we have a whole slate of audio projects, history
Speaker 3: based audio projects coming out until I've you know, I'll
Speaker 3: be forty one, I think by the point we do
Speaker 3: all that. So if you don't know how old I am,
Speaker 3: that probably doesn't mean anything to you. Also means you
Speaker 3: probably didn't watch the episode to host on my birthday.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, that would be a great topic. And
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that I can think of any resources
Speaker 3: out there that I've encountered that would cover that history
Speaker 3: specifically about hound hunting, but it's certainly a fascinating subject.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Sure, Troy asks that he loves the Meater movie review.
Speaker 6: Has there ever been any discussion about book reviews on
Speaker 6: the live show. I'll pipe in here first and I'll
Speaker 6: say we we're probably not going to do books on
Speaker 6: the live show, just because movies are a lot more
Speaker 6: digestible and we can and more people can watch them
Speaker 6: before we do the live show.
Speaker 3: But the truth is, Troy, we have trouble getting people
Speaker 3: to read emails, much less works of fiction and non fiction.
Speaker 6: If you listen to the Mediater podcast occasionally we do
Speaker 6: a segment called Steve Read's Books, so you don't have
Speaker 6: to Those are usually books that you probably don't want
Speaker 6: to read anyway, unless you're a guy like Steve, which hey,
Speaker 6: maybe you are. But yeah, maybe we'll do like a
Speaker 6: more legitimate book reviews here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we appreciate the love for the for the movie Club.
Speaker 3: It's very fun. It's one of the highlights of my
Speaker 3: professional life. So uh yeah, maybe we'll have to think
Speaker 3: about books in the future.
Speaker 4: I saw another comment there for Montana Walleye tour in caps,
Speaker 4: just saying, oh, yeah, the people got to give the
Speaker 4: people like the people want it.
Speaker 3: It sounds like I'll write that down and we'll just
Speaker 3: send that upstairs.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, I can only speak for myself, but the
Speaker 6: people want it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Great, keep sending in questions. We'll do this again at
Speaker 6: the end of the show, and yeah, move it along here.
Speaker 3: Thank you Phil. Our next segment is Show and Tell.
Speaker 1: Mania Show down, Man to show.
Speaker 4: It's been so brought a rock? What else did you spect?
Speaker 3: Oh I'm sorry about that, just lost in the moment.
Speaker 3: It's that sin, it's that synthesizer. It's so rich.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's so rich.
Speaker 3: It's like a hearty meal.
Speaker 4: Just really quick.
Speaker 6: Tyler says, thank god Spencer is in here with his rocks.
Speaker 3: Oh I think we've got something much better than rocks
Speaker 3: to share with you today, seth we do E're up first?
Speaker 3: What'd you bring in today for Show and Tell?
Speaker 4: I over the years have been collecting shell casings, and
Speaker 4: I got a handful of them here.
Speaker 8: M hmm.
Speaker 4: These are my the ones that I have deemed to
Speaker 4: be the more interesting ones that I've found over the years.
Speaker 4: So let's see where do I want to start. Let's
Speaker 4: start with this one. This one is head stamped thirty
Speaker 4: Army super Speed. And this one I found in the deep,
Speaker 4: deep dark spot on the Rocky Mountain Front. Actually, me
Speaker 4: and my buddy Rick Haunting. We're hunting way back in
Speaker 4: there one day and almost got cliffed out in the spot,
Speaker 4: and we were kind of trying to pick our way
Speaker 4: up through this really sketchy cliffy area and I threw
Speaker 4: my foot up on a rock and heard some metal clinging,
Speaker 4: and I looked down and this rifle case he was
Speaker 4: sitting there and just one, just one, And I don't like.
Speaker 4: I just thought to myself, like, you know what, maybe
Speaker 4: we're not the only people that got ourselves into this
Speaker 4: shitty situation.
Speaker 3: That's that's the only place I like to find cigarette butts.
Speaker 3: It's just like in a really weird place in the woods.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The next one I got here is headstamped seven
Speaker 4: point nine FS nineteen thirty nine, and it has TC
Speaker 4: on it with the little uh. It's like the crescent
Speaker 4: moon with the star. I really don't know a whole
Speaker 4: lot about it. I've done some research and it looks
Speaker 4: like it's Turkish ammo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, A lot of those Eastern Bloc countries US use
Speaker 5: those around.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I found this in Montana on the edge
Speaker 4: of a meadow and there was about five of them
Speaker 4: sitting there in a pile.
Speaker 3: So someone was either doing some target practice or some
Speaker 3: bad hunting.
Speaker 4: I think they. I think they they were shooting a
Speaker 4: bowl and just yeah, you know, I wanted to get
Speaker 4: just pump them until he's done type of thing. At
Speaker 4: least that's what I think. Got another one here that
Speaker 4: just says SL forty five, So Saint Louis Armory nineteen
Speaker 4: forty five. This one I found lane right next to
Speaker 4: a stone point oh wild in Montana.
Speaker 3: What what must have got a good hunting spot.
Speaker 4: That's thirty six, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. This one, from
Speaker 4: my understanding, was brought home from World War Two for
Speaker 4: my great grandfather. He fought fought in Battle of the Bulge.
Speaker 4: It's head stamped r A for Remilton Arms nineteen forty
Speaker 4: three fifty BMG. And then this one is my favorite.
Speaker 4: I have no clue what it is. It seems to
Speaker 4: be like a big boar buffalo cartridge. Uh huh, no
Speaker 4: head stamping at all. It just has a tiny little
Speaker 4: pinhole in it.
Speaker 3: So not a real not a modern, not a pocket.
Speaker 7: No, not a center fire.
Speaker 4: If anyone knows what this could be, please reach out.
Speaker 3: Throw it in the chat.
Speaker 5: You haven't like figured out even what what caliber it is?
Speaker 4: Nope, which which one of these? It's that the one
Speaker 4: on the left, one on the left there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't have it's it's doesn't have
Speaker 3: a it doesn't have like primer pocket. It doesn't have
Speaker 3: a centerfire primer pocket.
Speaker 4: I have no clue what it is.
Speaker 3: Someone out there in the internet knows.
Speaker 4: I found it in what would have been uh Crow
Speaker 4: territory HM in Montana.
Speaker 3: It's gotta be an old so an old old cartridge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hard to say what it is, but yeah, that's
Speaker 4: I found that when I was a little punting about
Speaker 4: three years ago.
Speaker 3: And the aggregate of your collection, how many do you
Speaker 3: have at home? These are just the highlights.
Speaker 4: Got a bucket I have about peanut butter jar ten
Speaker 4: or twelve. I do have a jar of like shell
Speaker 4: casings of either critters I've killed or just like random
Speaker 4: ones I've found. But yeah, these are kind of the
Speaker 4: cooler ones that I have.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for bringing them in. Appreciate it, Brody. What
Speaker 3: did you bring for us today?
Speaker 5: Well, Seth brought bullet cartridges and I brought guns.
Speaker 8: Mmmm.
Speaker 7: Guns that'll make you glad you have the guns you
Speaker 7: can buy.
Speaker 3: Now we are living in the golden age.
Speaker 5: We'll start with this beauty here, which is a Model
Speaker 5: sixty seven Winchester twenty two. This is my dad's first gun.
Speaker 5: I think he got it used, so he would have
Speaker 5: got it like probably in the early fifties. It was
Speaker 5: made probably in the forties, sold for like six bucks
Speaker 5: back then, single shot Winchester twenty two. I shot a
Speaker 5: lot of red squirrels with this, with this little sucker.
Speaker 3: I like that the screw holding the barreled action into
Speaker 3: the stock is just a big thumbscrew.
Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 5: At some point my dad had a scope on here.
Speaker 5: I never had a scope, and it's actually got it
Speaker 5: o'clock yep. But we had to make a rear sight
Speaker 5: for it, which is like it's not well done. But man,
Speaker 5: I shot it pretty well when I was a little kid.
Speaker 4: And that's just like a single shot yep.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we do the old it's not loaded, folks.
Speaker 3: It looks like an old cock. Yeah.
Speaker 5: You pull that that spring back.
Speaker 4: That's safety.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, and then you shouldn't shouldn't dry fire rim
Speaker 5: fire guns. But yeah, that was It's a real safe
Speaker 5: gun for a kid to learn on.
Speaker 3: That's cool, very cool.
Speaker 5: Then my first like real deer rifle. I think I
Speaker 5: started hunt hunting with. Uh, sorry, Karan, I was pointing
Speaker 5: at at you.
Speaker 3: It looks like when you if you've drifted over here
Speaker 3: a little bit, it looks like you're holding the muzzle
Speaker 3: up to my head.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think I started saying a shot. But
Speaker 5: this is my first real rifle, and it's a Winchester
Speaker 5: Model ninety four thirty thirty. Like millions of deer hunters
Speaker 5: started out with a version of this rifle. This one
Speaker 5: was made before nineteen eighty three, when Winchester went to
Speaker 5: a side eject and angle eject. This this comes out
Speaker 5: right out the top, right in your face, you know.
Speaker 5: If you're cranking awesome shots at running deer, which was common.
Speaker 4: Back in the day, that's what happened.
Speaker 5: It's kind of a pain, really, And because it's a
Speaker 5: topic jacked. You can see these old cheap scope mounts
Speaker 5: that around her mount the scope offset, so you have
Speaker 5: to like lean over to the side to look through
Speaker 5: the scope. So yeah, it's a relic and uh, I'm
Speaker 5: glad I still have it.
Speaker 4: Very cool man, that is, there's a lot of Pennsylvania
Speaker 4: deer hunters that ran that same set up for many years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I still want to I want to take it
Speaker 5: out and kill something with it.
Speaker 3: Would be a great lion gun. Yeah, be a great
Speaker 3: lion gun.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: Well for for my show and tell today, I brought
Speaker 3: this book. And this is a book that I got.
Speaker 3: It was in my grandfather's stuff. It's called The Gods
Speaker 3: Were Kind by William Willis and inside it is inscribed
Speaker 3: to Biarna J. Moultou, who's my grandfather Norwegian? If you
Speaker 3: are curious about the name. Who is chief mate on
Speaker 3: the SS Kettarak, the last ship I served as a seaman, partner,
Speaker 3: friend and great shipmate with good wishes every good wish.
Speaker 3: William Willis nineteen fifty six. And I found this and
Speaker 3: I didn't really know what it was. I'd never heard
Speaker 3: of this guy. But it's the story of him sailing
Speaker 3: alone with his parrot and his cat from South America
Speaker 3: to American Samoa on a raft made of seven balsa logs.
Speaker 3: So he went down to South America. He picked out
Speaker 3: seven balsa trees. They cut him down, and then he
Speaker 3: just went to Samoa at age sixty one.
Speaker 5: What's a nautical mind? What's the distance on that little salem?
Speaker 3: Six seven hundred miles on a homemade raft, on a
Speaker 3: homemade raft and then wild. The best part is he
Speaker 3: after he wrote this book, and again this is just
Speaker 3: like one of those characters he discovered after he wrote
Speaker 3: this book. At the age of seventy one, he sailed
Speaker 3: ten thousand miles from South America to Australia. And then
Speaker 3: at age seventy four, he disappeared while trying to cross
Speaker 3: the Atlantic, the North Atlantic at age seventy four.
Speaker 7: Two out of three ain't bad.
Speaker 3: No, not bad at all. They found his boat, he
Speaker 3: was not on it, but they found his ship's log.
Speaker 4: So wow.
Speaker 3: Interesting character. And this book has significance to me because
Speaker 3: it's where I first learned that mahi mahi were also
Speaker 3: called dolphin, because I was reading this book at like
Speaker 3: twelve years old, and I was like, man, he's killing
Speaker 3: a lot of dolphins. He's just He's like, I caught
Speaker 3: some more dolphins. I saw some dolphins. I killed them.
Speaker 3: I ate them so like, I started baiting some hooks
Speaker 3: with dolphin heads and I just thought this was very,
Speaker 3: very strange, and so yeah, that opened my eyes to
Speaker 3: the nomenclature that we use for that fish. I have
Speaker 3: another sort of silly show, and tell Phil if you'll
Speaker 3: bring that picture up. This photo is the other thing
Speaker 3: I'd like to share with you guys. This week we
Speaker 3: are recording Meet Eaters American History, volume two, about the
Speaker 3: Mountain Men, and this photo was taken by yours truly
Speaker 3: on Tuesday after a lunch of Thai food, and Steve
Speaker 3: laid down and he attempted to use the helmet as
Speaker 3: a pillow, but the extuar of the helmet, he found
Speaker 3: the shell was too hard, so he thought, I wonder
Speaker 3: if it feels good if I put my head in there,
Speaker 3: which he did, and then he proceeded to take a
Speaker 3: ten minute catnap on this very carpeted floor. So please
Speaker 3: know that we are hard at work on the next
Speaker 3: volume of Mediat's American History. And Steve did say because
Speaker 3: he ate a bunch of noodles, and he said, I thought,
Speaker 3: he's like I thought, marathon runners eat a bunch of noodles.
Speaker 3: Before they run marathons. How do they do that? And
Speaker 3: I said, I think you're supposed to do it the
Speaker 3: night before. They're not hawking down spaghetti like immediately before
Speaker 3: the race. So everybody learned something, alrighty. Our next segment
Speaker 3: is a hot tip off. Hot tip Off time. Hot
Speaker 3: tip off is where two members of the crew go
Speaker 3: head to head with competing pieces of advice, and after
Speaker 3: we hear each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter.
Speaker 3: Take it away, Phil.
Speaker 11: Mark Kenyon, Hey, guys, Mark Kenyon, here for another hot
Speaker 11: tip off. And here's my suggestion for you. Pay more
Speaker 11: attention to tracks. If you are out there hunting white
Speaker 11: tails trying to kill a buck, especially a mature buck,
Speaker 11: it's really useful to know exactly what you're looking for
Speaker 11: when you're trying to figure out is this a dough track,
Speaker 11: is this a buck track? Is this a big old
Speaker 11: mature buck track. The best way I found to learn
Speaker 11: how to identify a mature buck track is to actually
Speaker 11: get a real mature buck hoof and test it for yourself. Now,
Speaker 11: this is obviously not a real mature buck hoof. I
Speaker 11: don't have that, But what I have done in the
Speaker 11: past is taken off the hoof of a mature buck
Speaker 11: I've killed, and then go take it and press it
Speaker 11: into the dirt, press it into mud, press it in
Speaker 11: at different angles, go to different types of locations, and
Speaker 11: see what that buck's hoof print actually looked like in
Speaker 11: real life. And then you will know yourself this kind
Speaker 11: of buck makes that kind of track. It's an incredible
Speaker 11: and simple way to get better identifying mature buck tracks.
Speaker 11: And you can do it if you kill at least
Speaker 11: one mature buck in your life. Save that hoof, test
Speaker 11: it out. See what a mature buck print looks like
Speaker 11: in the rain, See what it looks like in a
Speaker 11: dusty sandy soil. It's very interesting, very helpful.
Speaker 1: Jason Philps, I'm Jason Phelps, and here's my hot tip
Speaker 1: here in New Mexico archery all cutting. It's been getting
Speaker 1: pretty windy in the evenings, you know, from about three
Speaker 1: to five, and one thing I wanted to share is
Speaker 1: how I'm planning my evening hunts and even my morning
Speaker 1: hunts is I will put a waypoint where I think
Speaker 1: those elk a at and I will add wind to
Speaker 1: that point so I can see what the active wind
Speaker 1: is doing. You know, for instance, right now, it's blowing
Speaker 1: seven miles an hour out of the southwest. I then
Speaker 1: add in what are the thermals doing? Is the sun
Speaker 1: hitting that face the creek draws, is they're running water,
Speaker 1: you know how the wind could be affecting it, And
Speaker 1: then I will plan my approach that way. That way,
Speaker 1: there's no chance those elk are ever gonna you know,
Speaker 1: smell me. So yeah, I'm always looking at that wind.
Speaker 1: I'm checking when I get up in the morning before
Speaker 1: I go to an area. Maybe I have to, you know,
Speaker 1: go to an area a different direction than then as
Speaker 1: the easiest direction. So add those waypoints, plan your hunts
Speaker 1: that way, and you're never gonna fool in elk's nose.
Speaker 1: So I'm always using this to make sure my approaches
Speaker 1: are good as I'm calling my way into elk because
Speaker 1: I'm approaching elk, because I'm hunting elk just in general,
Speaker 1: you know, even for rifle hunters that are still hunting,
Speaker 1: this is even more important.
Speaker 12: At least I can hear these oaks.
Speaker 3: So that's my hot tip.
Speaker 1: Use on ex waypoints in the wind feature, and I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna you know, and you find it very useful.
Speaker 1: It's been pretty spot on this entire hunt.
Speaker 3: Alrighty two hot tips there before you guys way in
Speaker 3: and I hope you consider the uh the two tips
Speaker 3: you've just heard. I saw perhaps what is my favorite
Speaker 3: listener comment of all time here?
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: Someone commented in regards to the mustache list Mark Kenyon,
Speaker 3: is this Marks a strange teenage son? Yes? Mark does
Speaker 3: look quite young when he gets rid of his facial hair.
Speaker 3: So yeah.
Speaker 6: Michael also asked why we keep showing this little kid?
Speaker 6: And does he have working papers?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's a crying shame that, yeah, got rid of
Speaker 4: his mustage.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know what labor law is in Michigan, but yeah,
Speaker 3: we could run into some hot water if we keep
Speaker 3: showing Mark without his mustache.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 3: Thank you both for those comments. That really made my day.
Speaker 6: All right, we have a lot of votes for Phelps already,
Speaker 6: just just to get the get in front of.
Speaker 3: This all right, seth, what are your thoughts here?
Speaker 4: Well, not a very popular opinion around these parts, but
Speaker 4: I like whitetails more. Nelk, So I'm going with the
Speaker 4: young boy Mark Kenyon.
Speaker 3: But is that I mean, are you considering the actual
Speaker 3: utility of the.
Speaker 4: Tip and knowing what a big whitetail track looks like
Speaker 4: is very helpful.
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, Brody.
Speaker 5: I gotta go with felt because it's just applicable to
Speaker 5: way more than elk.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 7: It's like, you know, name a big game.
Speaker 5: Species and that tip is you can apply it.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. What I appreciated the most about Mark's tip
Speaker 3: was I imagined him rolling around a golf bag with different
Speaker 3: age hoofs in it because he's He's like, you want
Speaker 3: to get a big buck hoof this this is just
Speaker 3: this is another bucks.
Speaker 4: I'll take the three and a half year old. I think.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't have exactly, Yeah, he's got he doesn't have
Speaker 3: that many big buck hoofs laying around. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that. I have to agree, I think
Speaker 3: with Brody and what seems to be the consensus of
Speaker 3: the audience here.
Speaker 8: I like.
Speaker 3: I like the tip from Phelps. I do think, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, a tip that you can carry with you
Speaker 3: in any different situation just makes you Yeah, as a hunter.
Speaker 5: Spot in stock, walk into a tree stand in the dark,
Speaker 5: like that tip will work. It's not just an elk
Speaker 5: elk hunting you know.
Speaker 3: Tip M hm. Uh, I guess you could do the
Speaker 3: the white tail tip with Elk and you know, bear hunting.
Speaker 3: But it's a lot of weight to haul around.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, a little, a little bigger hoof.
Speaker 3: Yeah alrighty, So Phelps one, Phelps one. Congratulations to Jason Phelps.
Speaker 6: And he doesn't want anything.
Speaker 3: He can't make a donation.
Speaker 6: Hey, no, we ran out of money because you just
Speaker 6: got too many perfect games.
Speaker 3: Oh I forgot about that, thanks Phil. Yeah, yeah, we had.
Speaker 3: We had quite an interesting day on Monday. This week,
Speaker 3: we'll have to tune into future Trivia episodes. Our next
Speaker 3: guest today is Dante Perreno.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: He's coming to us live from Baldwinsville, New York, and
Speaker 3: Dante recently caught a state record smallmouth bass, but chose
Speaker 3: to release it before the New York Department of Environmental
Speaker 3: Conservation could inspect the fish and verify the record. Dante,
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 12: Hey guys, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: So, Dante, thanks for joining us. I understand you had
Speaker 3: a pretty good day on the water about a month ago.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us what you were doing that morning
Speaker 3: and how things started out?
Speaker 14: Yeah, so it was a New York bassination Federation tournament
Speaker 14: out of August. So I was on the Saint Lawrence
Speaker 14: and it runs about one hundred miles to the mouth
Speaker 14: of the Lake Ontario, and it was probably like a
Speaker 14: seventy five mile run to where I was going, and
Speaker 14: it was an area that I wasn't really familiar with.
Speaker 14: I just found it Friday morning before I was bringing
Speaker 14: my grandfather a load of frozen walleye before the tournament
Speaker 14: that weekend there. It was a shortened day Friday, but
Speaker 14: I had to make sure he was taken care of.
Speaker 14: And then, yeah, I was honestly pretty crazy. Rolled in
Speaker 14: there and caught two small ones and I was debating
Speaker 14: about leaving, and I was kind of waiting for the
Speaker 14: lake to lay down a little bit and hooked into
Speaker 14: that giant fish and that cut me around for pretty
Speaker 14: much the rest of the day before I had to
Speaker 14: make the run back.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us a little bit about the technique
Speaker 3: you're using or the lower tackle or anything like that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, So I was using garment live scope out in
Speaker 14: about thirty feet and kind of just tracking him down
Speaker 14: and there wasn't a lot of fish around, but I
Speaker 14: was using a three eight ounce ned rigg heard with
Speaker 14: Berkeley maxcent flat.
Speaker 12: Nose minnow nice.
Speaker 14: So it's real small, subtle presentation and just utilizing electronics
Speaker 14: to find them and hunt them down. But I was
Speaker 14: throwing it on a seven foot medium Fantasy's premiere Abu
Speaker 14: Garcia with a revolt rocket.
Speaker 5: I assume you knew you knew you had tied into
Speaker 5: something pretty big when you hooked it, but like, what
Speaker 5: was the reaction when you saw it next to the boat?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I knew.
Speaker 14: I thought it was like a six founder, Like I
Speaker 14: knew it was like a good one. So it was fighting,
Speaker 14: it was fighting hard and obviously was pretty heavy. And
Speaker 14: then I was alone, didn't have a co English, so
Speaker 14: I netted it myself. And then once I tried to
Speaker 14: flop it in with like one arm with a net
Speaker 14: and laid it down, and what a physit. I don't
Speaker 14: know if you're familiar with fizzic some fish from deep water.
Speaker 14: So I threw it on the live well lid and
Speaker 14: then it was like covered up the whole live bult
Speaker 14: lid and it was.
Speaker 12: A it was a freak.
Speaker 3: Could you explain the fizzing for folks that might not
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with it?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 14: So I like to relate it to like if you
Speaker 14: were to go swimming in a pool or swimming anywhere
Speaker 14: and you go to try to swim to the bottom,
Speaker 14: like you'll feel that pressure on your ears. Like it's
Speaker 14: a similar thing with fish. They have an air bladder,
Speaker 14: so whenever you you don't even have to really pull
Speaker 14: them out of deep water, but essentially whenever a fish
Speaker 14: comes up and change an elevation happens really quick, then
Speaker 14: their air bladder will like puff up. You keep them
Speaker 14: out of the water for like maybe more than a
Speaker 14: minute to thirty seconds. So use like a little needle
Speaker 14: with a plastic insert from New York's Barbelly. It makes
Speaker 14: like the best one in my opinion. But you basically
Speaker 14: prick the fish in this air bladder like four spine
Speaker 14: over lined up with the anal poor just basically directly
Speaker 14: behind their one fin, and you'll lay them in the
Speaker 14: water in the live bulb kind of in your hand
Speaker 14: and level them out and you'll release the air and
Speaker 14: it'll bubble out. But you want to make sure you
Speaker 14: prick it obviously in the right place, and you'll let
Speaker 14: it bubble out and just kind of hold it in
Speaker 14: your hands like this until the fish will right itself
Speaker 14: and then once it writes itself, should be good to.
Speaker 12: Live all day.
Speaker 14: Because I caught that fish early, and that was my
Speaker 14: first thing, was like I was thinking. I was like,
Speaker 14: I keep this thing alive because it was early on
Speaker 14: in the day and they had an eighty mile run
Speaker 14: back into the hot summer day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And just so folks are clear, I know, like in
Speaker 3: Alaska you're required to pop the air bladder on some
Speaker 3: of those fish before you release them. But this is
Speaker 3: not required. You're just doing this. This is an extra
Speaker 3: step you're taking to make sure that fish survives.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it's true.
Speaker 14: It's preached more and more in tournaments up here because
Speaker 14: there's a lot of folks that fish tournaments on the
Speaker 14: Saint Lawrence and more and more that are coming to
Speaker 14: that aren't accustomed to catching deep small mouth or deep
Speaker 14: fish wherever. Yeah, so try to preach that the best
Speaker 14: we can to keep this fishery healthy.
Speaker 4: Yeah. In Alaska, we're required to carry what's called a
Speaker 4: deep release. Oh that's right. Yeah, that's what you Basically
Speaker 4: they come up like you'll catch a rock fish comes up,
Speaker 4: the bladders hanging out of its mouth, eyes are all
Speaker 4: puffed out and then you release, You basically send them
Speaker 4: back to the bottom with a bunch of weight.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's what I was thinking of. Yeah, I misspoke
Speaker 3: the deeper least rig uh Dante. I mean, did you
Speaker 3: did you know it was a small mouth the whole time?
Speaker 3: Or were you curious at all?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 3: What do I have on here? Are you just like
Speaker 3: this is a big smally, just business as usual.
Speaker 14: I was hoping it wasn't a drum, Like it crossed
Speaker 14: through my head that it might be a drum, just
Speaker 14: because it was like the way it was fighting, was
Speaker 14: coming all the way to the boat and then swimming
Speaker 14: all the way back down so you'll run into freshwater.
Speaker 14: Drum or cheap had cheap said is what other people
Speaker 14: call them. But I was pretty certain it was it
Speaker 14: was a bass, just the way you could kind of
Speaker 14: feel them shaking their head whenever you're fighting.
Speaker 12: So usually the drums like a couple of real.
Speaker 14: Long runs, but the pass tend to like, I don't know,
Speaker 14: you can catch a lot of them and you're in
Speaker 14: the zone. You can almost feel like they're the head
Speaker 14: shape and it feels like a bass. But I was
Speaker 14: just hoping that it was and it wasn't a drum basically.
Speaker 3: So you so then you kept fishing for the day.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 14: So I was in points standing wise, it's like three
Speaker 14: cumulative tournaments and they take the top six in the state,
Speaker 14: and I was like behind in the stands. So I
Speaker 14: needed to catch like twenty eight to thirty pounds in
Speaker 14: order to make the top six. So I know as
Speaker 14: soon as I caught that I need to catch like
Speaker 14: four more minimum five pounders.
Speaker 12: In order to even have a shot.
Speaker 14: So it was just like visit it through the light,
Speaker 14: bull checked like five minutes later to make sure it
Speaker 14: was standing up straight and looked healthy as a whrse.
Speaker 14: So just kept going throughout the day and it was
Speaker 14: pretty pretty crazy day full of emotions.
Speaker 3: So the record has not crossed your mind yet, You're
Speaker 3: just solely focused on that total at the end of
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I didn't even like once I voted it, Like
Speaker 14: I didn't even really think about the record at all,
Speaker 14: And not until I got all the way back to
Speaker 14: weigh in and weighed it and then the scale at
Speaker 14: nine even, and a few guys were like saying, I
Speaker 14: call the DC, called the DC, and they're like, that's
Speaker 14: a new state record. I knew it was an eight
Speaker 14: and changed from Kyuga, but I didn't really.
Speaker 5: What what what is the existing state record?
Speaker 14: So it was eight pounds and six ounces. But the
Speaker 14: near DC did certify the one that I caught over
Speaker 14: the last couple of weeks, I think if they've made
Speaker 14: it official.
Speaker 12: So I got them all.
Speaker 14: The witnesses signatures, length, girth, and then all the scale
Speaker 14: certification and calibration and everything that they needed to get official.
Speaker 14: But yeah, like you said, I mean, whenever we called them,
Speaker 14: they said that they didn't have an EOC officer that
Speaker 14: could come on site. So they're like, you, if you
Speaker 14: want the record officially, then you have to keep it,
Speaker 14: put it on ice.
Speaker 12: Yeah, we'll call the next day.
Speaker 14: But like, we're not saying that you're gonna get it.
Speaker 14: We're not saying you're not going to get it if
Speaker 14: you release it.
Speaker 3: Sure, So so if you were to, if you would
Speaker 3: have held onto that fish and killed it, you could
Speaker 3: have been sort of guaranteed that this would get certified.
Speaker 3: But instead you you trusted that or at least you
Speaker 3: wanted to release it enough that you'd rather the fish
Speaker 3: survive and go through sort of through the more I
Speaker 3: guess the less certain route of taking all those steps
Speaker 3: to certify it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 14: I mean I didn't want to selfishly take that fish's
Speaker 14: life over. I mean it had to bend twenty to
Speaker 14: twenty five years old in order to get nine pounds.
Speaker 4: So wow, that's awesome. How did you end up that
Speaker 4: day in the tournament?
Speaker 14: I ended up when I had thirty one and change
Speaker 14: thirty one point four I think was a total for
Speaker 14: best five.
Speaker 12: So I ended up taking it home and.
Speaker 3: Then quite a day.
Speaker 4: Congrats, I appreciate it.
Speaker 12: Thank you.
Speaker 3: So when you rolled up to the way and then
Speaker 3: you should pulled that fish out, I mean, what was
Speaker 3: the reaction from from the dock there?
Speaker 14: Yeah, everyone was going crazy. I doesn't really expect in it.
Speaker 14: And then like I turned around to like grab it
Speaker 14: out of the bag and then hold it up, and
Speaker 14: it was like, I don't know, twenty thirty people standing
Speaker 14: there with all their phones out, like freaking out. So
Speaker 14: it was it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what was your what was your previous big
Speaker 3: prior to that? Just like in your in your life
Speaker 3: of fishing.
Speaker 14: I caught a seven pound, two ounce one in July
Speaker 14: practicing for the thousand Island open out of Kingston. Gotch
Speaker 14: was that one was like old and the crap had
Speaker 14: like definitely passed its prime. Yeah, this fit like healthy
Speaker 14: and built. So this one was it looked a lot different.
Speaker 14: But like in my whenever I got that seven pounder
Speaker 14: of the boat, it was just like so old that
Speaker 14: so many just beat up marks on it that it
Speaker 14: looked almost looked bigger than this one. But this one
Speaker 14: that just built with shoulders and had a crazy frame
Speaker 14: on it.
Speaker 3: So that's awesome.
Speaker 4: That is awesome.
Speaker 8: So uh.
Speaker 3: Are you So do you have more tournaments up ahead?
Speaker 8: Then?
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's kind of all downhill from here.
Speaker 3: Right with the a state record smally and a big day,
Speaker 3: I mean, what's what's next for you?
Speaker 12: It's only gonna be hard to top that.
Speaker 14: But I mean it ran into some unfortunate Look, last
Speaker 14: weekend was the last tournament up on the river, and
Speaker 14: and I had my lower unit go out, So I
Speaker 14: was planning on doing the sixty second fish. Oh yeah,
Speaker 14: it's a fish with you guys, But yeah, we'll get you.
Speaker 3: So we'll have to get you back on for that.
Speaker 3: I have a feeling you might be a competitive candidate.
Speaker 14: When you guys messed me a few weeks ago, and
Speaker 14: then last weekend it literally just went out. So I'm
Speaker 14: gonna be down for a few weeks, but hopefully I'll
Speaker 14: still be able to get out in November and just
Speaker 14: catch some fish for fun because they're they're definitely plugging
Speaker 14: that time of yere.
Speaker 3: Nice well, Dante, We appreciate you coming on. It's an
Speaker 3: awesome story. Congrats on the fish, and kudos to you
Speaker 3: for releasing it. You know, it's it's it seems like
Speaker 3: it wasn't a question in your mind, but you did
Speaker 3: the right thing for that fish, and uh, it's just
Speaker 3: a very cool story all around.
Speaker 12: Thanks man, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: We'll talk to you.
Speaker 4: Thanks show.
Speaker 12: Thanks man, have a good one.
Speaker 4: That's a fish guy that you can tell. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: fishy guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just like he's he's a cool customer.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I would like to fish with him someday.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have a feeling he has a few spots he
Speaker 3: could take us too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, gang, I'm sorry to say, but that brings us
Speaker 3: to the end of the show. Save for some listener comments, Phil,
Speaker 3: what do you got for us? Last call for comments, Yeah,
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Speaker 6: Docton asks Utah proposed change to the changes to the
Speaker 6: rifle and muzzleloader hunts on my unit for the next
Speaker 6: five years. They proposed open site rifles and traditional muzzleoaders, flintlock,
Speaker 6: et cetera. They want to increase deer herd's opinions.
Speaker 5: I'm not fall open site rifle and true, I think
Speaker 5: it's just that they took away the option to use
Speaker 5: a scope generally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there are a couple of
Speaker 3: different places across the West that are considering making some
Speaker 3: changes to the legal technology. Yeah, it's it's a tough question.
Speaker 3: It's tough. It's tough to roll things back once guys
Speaker 3: are using them and they're and they're used to them.
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, if that's what needs to
Speaker 3: be done to conserve the resource, and that's what the
Speaker 3: state or the managers think is most appropriate. It's kind
Speaker 3: of hard to argue with it, but I'm just not
Speaker 3: familiar enough with that particular proposal.
Speaker 5: It's like roll like you said, rolling back, kind of
Speaker 5: like a traditional use pattern. Like I don't know, that's
Speaker 5: hard man, Like I like, I'd rather see him cut
Speaker 5: tag numbers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what I'm curious, is, like, have they is
Speaker 3: it the case that they've cut tag numbers and they're
Speaker 3: cut still and the and the shortened seasons and they
Speaker 3: still don't if this is the last tool in the toolbox.
Speaker 3: I guess I sure and understand it. But yeah, rolling
Speaker 3: things back and taking things away.
Speaker 5: There's an argument to be made, like a serious argument
Speaker 5: to be made against doing that, simply because you could
Speaker 5: say you're less accurate, more wounded deer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Always think about that when when you know it's it's
Speaker 3: there's not a right answer, no, but like, yes, certain
Speaker 3: technologies are more effective and for better or worse, like
Speaker 3: that might lead to increased harvest, but it also probably
Speaker 3: hopefully leads to less you know, wound laws.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Brent is asking Randall, is it cheating if I
Speaker 6: have to google the spelling of a meat eater crossword
Speaker 6: ansle answer. It sucks to suck at spelling as someone
Speaker 6: who just got dinged for a for a misspelled word
Speaker 6: the other day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would like to point out I I
Speaker 3: appreciate the support and the YouTube comments. I did think
Speaker 3: that crystalis should have counted if chrysalis is the answer,
Speaker 3: And I noticed that there are quite a few of
Speaker 3: you out there who agreed with me and I your
Speaker 3: support is acknowledged and appreciated.
Speaker 6: It was acknowledged by me as well as well, but
Speaker 6: not as appreciated as much.
Speaker 3: I guess. I guess it depends on how you're googling
Speaker 3: the spelling. That seems like a slippery slope. So you're
Speaker 3: typing in the misspelled word to get the right word,
Speaker 3: or are you saying, like I'm trying to think of this.
Speaker 4: Word, how do you spell?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well, my opinion is that it's only going to slow
Speaker 6: you down, and that's a longer time is going to
Speaker 6: bring your score down. So by googling spelling, you're kind
Speaker 6: of just you're shooting yourself in the knee.
Speaker 5: There and at a certain point it's just going to
Speaker 5: cause you to not get the next.
Speaker 4: Series of yeah. Correct.
Speaker 3: My general crossword philosophy is some days I will not
Speaker 3: look at any hints and I won't flip over any tiles.
Speaker 3: I mean not on the meat Eater crossword, of course,
Speaker 3: But like when I'm in the New York Times, some
Speaker 3: days I hold myself very honest and accountables, and some
Speaker 3: days I just want to have fun doing a crossboard
Speaker 3: and so so you know, you're playing against yourself. It's
Speaker 3: kind of like golf. So just you know, if you
Speaker 3: have to wipe a stroke every now and then, I
Speaker 3: don't think there's anything wrong with that, Seth.
Speaker 6: This is this is one a single question. But when
Speaker 6: you were doing going over your show and tell stuff,
Speaker 6: there was an ongoing conversation happening in the live chat
Speaker 6: about what some of those rounds might be. Yeah, he's
Speaker 6: giving you tips, but this is honestly, this is a question.
Speaker 6: But this is me Phil giving you a tip, Seth
Speaker 6: to maybe revisit the live chat after the show. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because there was some discussion happening that was over my head.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, Ife, it won't be over you go through it.
Speaker 4: I'll go through it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And this is for all of you. If each
Speaker 6: of you could propose one very specific topic for an
Speaker 6: upcoming book in the med Eater lineup?
Speaker 4: What would your topic be?
Speaker 6: And I'd say sky's the limit here, not like realistically,
Speaker 6: like you personally, if you could pitch a book to
Speaker 6: be published as a part of the mediat lineup, something
Speaker 6: that really that you're really into.
Speaker 3: Boy, Boy, that's tough. That is tough, because I have
Speaker 3: a pile of books that need to be written, as
Speaker 3: does Brody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got there's plenty of books in your future
Speaker 5: coming from Meat Eater. I recently and I still would
Speaker 5: like to see it happen. We a few years, several
Speaker 5: years back, we did the hunting guide books, the Big
Speaker 5: Game in small game hunting guide books. I one of
Speaker 5: my recent pitches is doing a similar thing with fishing.
Speaker 5: But we were testing the waters to see if there's
Speaker 5: a demand for it or not. So send us if
Speaker 5: you want it, send us a message.
Speaker 4: As a photographer here at meat Eater, I wouldn't mind
Speaker 4: seeing just a fantastically beautiful coffee table book.
Speaker 5: Of which has been we pitched that up, all the
Speaker 5: all the.
Speaker 4: Photos that have been taken over the years here. Be
Speaker 4: pretty cool.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't be cheap though, No, not, no glossy coffee table
Speaker 5: books are, but it would be worth it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, collectors.
Speaker 3: Worth every penny, I think. Yeah, I think so even
Speaker 3: if you could, you know, if you could get some
Speaker 3: autograph copies, maybe do a limited release of Seth Morris
Speaker 3: autograph copies.
Speaker 4: I like that idea.
Speaker 3: I think my idea that's just come to me now.
Speaker 3: It's not something that I've been dreaming up, but I
Speaker 3: think it would be useful to have like a sort
Speaker 3: of a reference and history about you know, public lands,
Speaker 3: the North American model, explaining different land management agencies and
Speaker 3: their history and sort of what their priorities are as
Speaker 3: an agency, and just sort of giving people the vocabulary
Speaker 3: and context to talk about policy that affects hunters and anglers,
Speaker 3: you know, in a way that's like conversational.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like that's the challenge is to yeah.
Speaker 3: Because you can get bogged down and like the the
Speaker 3: legally and the administrative and bureaucratic jargon. But obviously, like
Speaker 3: there's no shortage of interest in that from our audience.
Speaker 3: Like people love that stuff and they want to know
Speaker 3: more and they want to be more involved. So I
Speaker 3: think like a sand dictionary or encyclopedia of conservation would be.
Speaker 7: I think it's like.
Speaker 5: Out being out here in the West, you're just like
Speaker 5: kind of automatically more burst in that stuff. Like I'm
Speaker 5: sure there's a lot of like I didn't know what
Speaker 5: in hell BLM was when I lived in Pennsylvania, right,
Speaker 5: So there's like a lot of things that a lot
Speaker 5: of people from other parts of the country that could
Speaker 5: they could learn a lot, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no. I remember when I was when I
Speaker 3: was in college, I was finishing up and I really
Speaker 3: wanted to go bear hunting, and I wanted to go
Speaker 3: to Montana, and I wanted to go bear hunting in Montana.
Speaker 3: And I remember having this realization like National Forest, you
Speaker 3: can hunt on National Forest. And then I looked at
Speaker 3: a map of Montana and saw the green on the map,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, of course I can go
Speaker 3: shoot a bear there like practically half the state.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 3: And but that was like a moment that opened my
Speaker 3: eyes when I realized like that these lands are accessible
Speaker 3: and opened all and opened to hunting because I was
Speaker 3: more familiar coming from the East or the Midwest with
Speaker 3: you know, national parks and the more sort of hands
Speaker 3: off public lands. So that's my that's my half cooked
Speaker 3: book pitch, which maybe should be a new segment.
Speaker 6: Here Iron Hops asks if he should get Jack White
Speaker 6: tickets tonight or banked his bank time for the rut
Speaker 6: here in Wisconsin. The answer is Jack White tickets. Next question,
Speaker 6: Come on, Randall, this is your first time in the
Speaker 6: program since Louisiana. Oh, just like, get me a quick
Speaker 6: fishing update, man.
Speaker 3: Louisiana was a lot of fun, met a lot of
Speaker 3: people from all around the country. Everybody had their own,
Speaker 3: like you know, personal passion hunting and fishing speaking, so
Speaker 3: we got to like just talk to people about deer
Speaker 3: hunting or pig hunting or whatever they did. But the
Speaker 3: fishing was fantastic. Every day we went out and kind
Speaker 3: of had a different program, Like we fished different looking stuff,
Speaker 3: caught a bunch of different fish, different species. It was
Speaker 3: consistent throughout the day, which is nice. Like you'd get
Speaker 3: into him starting right out of the first thing in
Speaker 3: the morning, and then you'd be catching him up till lunchtime,
Speaker 3: and then you never know when you get a big
Speaker 3: and yeah, we had some big black drum, some big
Speaker 3: red fish.
Speaker 4: You kind of never know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 3: You never know what you're gonna get Yeah, we were
Speaker 3: fishing this one redfish spot and we'd caught a couple
Speaker 3: out of there, and then I hooked something that just
Speaker 3: went straight out into the gulf, like under the boat
Speaker 3: and straight out to the gulf, just ripping line and
Speaker 3: popped off, and the guy it's like, oh, that was
Speaker 3: a shark. And Steve cast in the same place like
Speaker 3: thirty seconds later and another struck grabbed it and he
Speaker 3: actually boted that. But it was just like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: coming from a place where you're either catching a trout
Speaker 3: or a whitefish, you know, it's cool to be in
Speaker 3: a real diverse fishery.
Speaker 4: Yeah. We caught a lot of different species.
Speaker 3: And then we went out on the dock and just
Speaker 3: caught weird catfish. Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: And there was big garb rolling right grolling.
Speaker 3: In a wild place, a lot of pelicans just like
Speaker 3: a super cool birds. Skaters, skaters. Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, cool, cool place.
Speaker 6: And Michael we address this, addressed this at the top
Speaker 6: of the show. He's asking about the trivia win being overturned.
Speaker 4: Brody seems very unbothered by it. If he has bothered,
Speaker 4: he's hiding it very well.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think if you Michael, I think
Speaker 5: if you look back at the last several episodes, you know,
Speaker 5: I've like, I beat Randall a bunch, so I got
Speaker 5: to give him a win here.
Speaker 4: It's true, you.
Speaker 3: Know, that's all the time we had. I'm just joking.
Speaker 3: We can have a couple more questions.
Speaker 6: Oh no, anything good, Phil, I was gonna end it
Speaker 6: there as well.
Speaker 3: Sorry you want to end it on a low note, No,
Speaker 3: I'm really well, I guess it's a high note because
Speaker 3: he's reminding us that I did win that game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Gang, appreciate you tuning in. It's always a
Speaker 3: pleasure to do this and a lot of fun to
Speaker 3: read the chat. So signing off for Meat Eater Radio Live.
Speaker 4: Howdios, see you next time.