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Speaker 1: They're with a good friend of the Official Tests podcast,

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Speaker 1: that's Charles Davis.

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Speaker 2: How has this week been for you in Orlando?

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Speaker 3: It's been great.

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Speaker 4: You know, live in the area, so driving back and

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Speaker 4: forth has been a lot easier.

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Speaker 3: Than getting on a plane and being there.

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Speaker 4: Although if you're getting on a plane and going to

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Speaker 4: an owner's meeting, usually stand at a pretty nice place. Yes,

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Speaker 4: pretty nice location, good weather, the whole deal. So no

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Speaker 4: one's ever going to be that upset if they have

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Speaker 4: to cover it. But the rules changes that came out

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Speaker 4: of it, so there's plenty of attention that kicked in. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: this is different than going to a combine or a

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Speaker 4: pre draft deal, although that's still hovers right because all

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Speaker 4: the coaches, they're here doing their thing, but at the

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Speaker 4: same time they're worried, Okay, what are we doing with

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Speaker 4: the draft? Free agency is essentially done right, you know,

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Speaker 4: all those things that kick in, But the rule stuff

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Speaker 4: is really what I think is coming out of this

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Speaker 4: is grabbing it all.

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Speaker 3: Now we're going to be modified kickoff.

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Speaker 4: We're going to be able to have that replay assist

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Speaker 4: that hey, if something is egregiously wrong, un roughing the

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Speaker 4: passer and things of that nature, we can take it off,

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Speaker 4: which I think fans are going to like. My only

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Speaker 4: concern about doing what we're doing, and I'm glad we're

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Speaker 4: doing it slowly in terms of that replay assist is

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Speaker 4: because you know, sky Judge immediately comes into play, right,

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Speaker 4: sky Judge, I've always said, and I still maintain it

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Speaker 4: is a wonderful idea and concept, but it's going to

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Speaker 4: be a human being who's going to be the sky Judge.

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Speaker 4: You tell me, over the course of seventeen games, what

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Speaker 4: you want is a sky Judge never to be involved,

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Speaker 4: because that means things are perking along. But let's say

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Speaker 4: you go two, three, four, or five games and the

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Speaker 4: sky Judge isn't involved. Human nature is hey, I'm here

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Speaker 4: at some point, does that sky Judge need when they

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Speaker 4: don't need to? That's the only thing I worry about

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Speaker 4: when we get there. But we're not there yet, so

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna kick back and watch. But I do

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Speaker 4: like the fact that, hey, if you didn't hit him

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Speaker 3: It off, yes, and let's keep it moving.

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Speaker 4: The only thing, the last thing I would say is

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Speaker 4: we're getting replay assists on other things already. I still

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Speaker 4: think we can move faster. I don't know how you feel,

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Speaker 4: but I watch games, I'm doing games and what have you,

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Speaker 4: and you just see how long it takes to get

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Speaker 4: in position to make the call.

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Speaker 3: Let's move it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, offense and officials. No, I'm one of their

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Speaker 4: biggest advocates. Oh yeah, but I do think that they

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Speaker 4: can move quicker on stuff like that to keep the

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Speaker 4: pace of game going. I just don't understand why it

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Speaker 3: Now you can go quicker.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I agree with that. So you mentioned the kickoff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you.

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Speaker 2: Think about the change?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 1: What do you think this means for special team cordinators

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Speaker 3: Now, I'll start with your second part.

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Speaker 4: It means that they continue to be employed at the

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Speaker 4: level that we're employed already. That's the first part. The

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Speaker 4: second part is I'm excited about it for this reason.

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Speaker 4: I hated the alternative. The alternative is we were edging

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Speaker 3: I'm old school. I like the kickoff.

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Speaker 4: I I like the opportunity it presents, but where we

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Speaker 3: I understand kickers are too powerful, right.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you feel about it, but my

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Speaker 4: our game when the athletes are as good now kicking

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Speaker 3: They're flat out athletes.

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Speaker 2: This isn't the oldest had historic season for Greg Zerline.

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Speaker 4: Bet you Greg Greg Zerlines testing in the weight room

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Speaker 4: maybe he shoots out. I don't know what others other

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Speaker 4: I don't know what he did in high school because

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Speaker 4: or he was you know, all conference baseball play back

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Speaker 4: when I was a kid, he ran over to the

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Speaker 3: On Friday night.

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Speaker 2: And the guys off to the side on the field.

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Speaker 4: And that was it. But now you're getting this whole deal.

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Speaker 4: But I do like the fact that returners can get

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Speaker 4: back in it. The special teams, coaches can scheme. Is

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Speaker 4: it going to look really weird, Yes, But the alternative

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Speaker 4: we have modified eighth grade scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: I hate that. I hate that.

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Speaker 2: I was just talking to Mike Arra follow about this.

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Speaker 1: He said that some of the returners in the past

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Speaker 2: You got to hit it, right, I think.

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Speaker 4: And what I like about it is it was announced

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Speaker 4: also while we're here that the Hall of Fame game

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Speaker 4: Devin Hester. That's right, Who's going into Hall of Fame

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Speaker 4: because of his ability to return to football. We were

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Speaker 4: not going to get another Devin Hester at the rate

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Speaker 4: ringing off the hook right now with this rule change.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that hey, we get you.

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Speaker 4: Back in the game, and you're gonna have a chance

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to watch this. I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 4: I never thought we'd get something from the XFL the USFL.

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Speaker 3: Real we are.

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Speaker 4: This is what we're getting their ability to put that

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Speaker 4: got enough football. Give it to me for real. If

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Speaker 3: I didn't care. But guess what, I know.

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Speaker 4: This rule was there, and this rule allows us now

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Speaker 4: the psychological aspect. I wait an entire week to start

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Speaker 4: You know that that anticipation ball on the t You

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Speaker 3: Now we're gonna have it again.

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Speaker 2: You know the draft so well.

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Speaker 3: I hope, I hope. So you've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after their free agency period, we've had our initial waves.

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Speaker 2: What is the picture for the Jets.

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Speaker 3: I think it's got multiple places for them.

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Speaker 4: I know Timon Smith was signed, yep, I know Morgan

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Speaker 4: Moses was signed, but that doesn't mean that that's long term.

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Speaker 4: So offensive tackle, there's gonna be a plecor of guys

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Speaker 4: at ten that the Jets should have there have pick

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Speaker 4: up if the Chargers at five, and this is without trades, Okay,

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Speaker 4: if the Chargers at five wanted to go tackle, it

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Speaker 4: to bring a trade into it, we could go one, two,

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Speaker 3: I never know. I'm looking forward to watch him do

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Speaker 4: But the return on investment and the tight end taking

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Speaker 3: But this kid Bowers. Could he be that exceptional one.

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Speaker 4: Heck, I'm thinking again without trades, it starts at five

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Speaker 4: for him, it starts at five with the Chargers, but

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Speaker 4: not even close between Bowers and the rest of them

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Speaker 4: receivers plenty of them. You know, if you want an

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Speaker 4: get him early because there aren't a ton of them.

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Speaker 3: In the first round of.

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Speaker 4: My opinion, again, I'm looking at at Lay two out

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Speaker 4: two two, verse three. But everyone has their different opinion

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Speaker 4: go get him at ten? You know, I mean, that's

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Speaker 4: that's the question for different people.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Robert Zala never can have enough drus have enough edge rusher,

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Speaker 1: but the fan base is ready for an offensive playmaker

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Speaker 3: As a playmaker.

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Speaker 4: It makes it makes perfect sense, and those guys could

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Speaker 4: be there. And let's face it, if we do go

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Speaker 4: everything in front of him. He plays the game with intelligence,

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Speaker 4: be there for you. The four four five might have pushed.

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Speaker 2: That's a good tip.

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Speaker 1: You always have those guys who aren't necessarily on everybody's radar.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's Texas quarterbacks and Texas receivers. That's just one state.

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Speaker 4: Everyone's doing it. Everyone's playing it. Kids are getting scholarship

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Speaker 4: people are doing the Deebo Samuel's Light thing because of

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Speaker 4: I'd like to think that, but I've got enough misses

440
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Speaker 4: that I'm humble enough to know, Hey, this is what

441
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Speaker 4: I evaluated.

442
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,040
Speaker 3: This one I got right, this one, I was way wrong.

443
00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,000
Speaker 3: Not okay.

444
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 4: So that's that's what evaluation, that's what the scouting all does.

445
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:28,920
Speaker 3: But the good.

446
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Speaker 4: Ones, the ones we see year in and year out

447
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,320
Speaker 4: that are drafting, those teams that make it work, their

448
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:36,680
Speaker 4: their hit rate is much better.

449
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 2: Charles Davis, his hit rate is always up.

450
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:40,880
Speaker 3: There.

451
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Speaker 1: Not too many misses from this guy. Always fun catching

452
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Speaker 1: up with you. Good luck to your volunteers. Yes, yes,

453
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Speaker 1: at around a sixteen, we're gonna need it. Those Creighton

454
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Speaker 1: Blue Jays are tough.

455
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Speaker 3: Now.

456
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Speaker 1: New Pulses own Charles Davis, go Huguenots. We're down here

457
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Speaker 1: at the league meetings in Orlando, Florida. Eric Allen joined

458
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,639
Speaker 1: by Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer.

459
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Speaker 2: How many league meetings is this for you?

460
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Speaker 6: In the sprint, I don't know. God, the first one

461
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 6: would have been for me. I think oh nine, I

462
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,679
Speaker 6: didn't go my first few years covering the league, and

463
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 6: then oh nine, it was, believe it or not.

464
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Speaker 3: It was in Los Angeles. It was at the Saint.

465
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Speaker 6: Regis, Oh, believe in Monarch Beach, which is like all

466
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Speaker 6: the way down in Dana Point.

467
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Speaker 3: YEP. It was unbelievable and I'll never forget.

468
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Speaker 6: What I remember about that most was they were preparing

469
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 6: for the lockout, which was still two years away, and

470
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 6: they were and Roger got up there and was saying

471
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 6: how the economic realities of the league changed.

472
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Speaker 3: And TJ. Simers, who had been an old.

473
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Speaker 6: Columnist at the La Times you probably remember the name,

474
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 6: basically says Tom Roger look around and like the Pacific

475
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 6: oceans behind him, and there's this unbelievable golf course. It's

476
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 6: like Roger, like, look behind you. Are we sure that

477
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 6: you're having economic problems?

478
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 3: So?

479
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Speaker 6: Uh so, yeah, this would be like fifteen to six them,

480
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 6: So this would have been oh nine, I mean I

481
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 6: I yeah, something like that. Let's be yeah somewhere in there.

482
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 6: How about you personally?

483
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Speaker 1: Now, after Peter King announced his retirement, what has that

484
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Speaker 1: been like and how much of an influence did he have.

485
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Speaker 2: In career?

486
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 6: I've told people this and I think, well, it's almost

487
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Speaker 6: like he doesn't get credit for how good he was

488
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 6: before he did the Monday column. You know what, I

489
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 6: I can remember a story that had an impact on

490
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Speaker 6: me as a kid, and this is.

491
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Speaker 3: Like a full circle thing for me with his last game.

492
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Speaker 6: So you know, I I remember, I think I was

493
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 6: in high school, and you know, I'm I was the

494
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 6: kid growing up like a lot of us, like the

495
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 6: ran into the mailbox every Thursday to get sports illustrated out,

496
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like and and so he

497
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 6: had just unbelievable access to the Packers for an entire week.

498
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Speaker 6: And this was like when they at the top of

499
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 6: the league, with Brett Farves the quarterback and all of that.

500
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 6: And I remember reading that story and thinking, it is

501
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 6: so cool that this guy gets to be inside. And

502
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 6: I wasn't even really thinking about I wasn't even really

503
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 6: thinking about doing this for a living yet, but it

504
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 6: was just so cool to read, like this guy got

505
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 6: behind closed doors and like got to see everything. And so, like,

506
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 6: you know, a few weeks ago at the Super Bowl,

507
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 6: I think we all had a feeling this might be

508
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 6: it for him, and a lot of us wound up.

509
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 3: You know, he told some of us, and the.

510
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Speaker 6: Fact that I stayed quiet for another couple of weeks

511
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 6: after that it's like a tribute to him too. But

512
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 6: you know, I had sort of done some groundwork to

513
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 6: set up some access after the game with the Chiefs,

514
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 6: and you know, I was hoping to get Andy and

515
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 6: I've got a good relationship with Andy, and you know,

516
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 6: I saw Peter walk in and Peter had kind of

517
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 6: like had like a tough week just you know, like

518
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 6: it got a little sick and everything. And so Peter

519
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 6: walked by, Peter walked by me with Andy into the office,

520
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 6: and I just like instinctively knew, like I'm not going

521
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 6: to push like that's Peter's Peter's got this great relationship

522
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 6: with him, and you know, it hit me like you know,

523
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 6: that teenage kid I was was reading that story and

524
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 6: the tight Ends coach in that Packers team was Andy Reid,

525
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 6: and so it was like one of those like definitely,

526
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 6: that's how you do the job, you know, like that's

527
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 6: how you do the job. Is like you build relationships

528
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 6: and you find a way to get people to trust you,

529
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 6: and you get access and you don't burn them when

530
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 6: they give you that access, and then you build and

531
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 6: build and build and people learn.

532
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 3: To trust you. And that was Peter was so good

533
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 3: at that.

534
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 6: And you know, like when I came aboard in sixteen

535
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 6: and left NFL Network, and he had sort of sold

536
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 6: me on the idea that you know, hey, you could

537
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 6: you could you know, eventually succeed me and I in

538
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 6: a couple of years, I'm gonna probably hand the call

539
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 6: call him off to you if you do a good enough job,

540
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 6: which you know is what wound up happening in eight team.

541
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: It was almost surreal.

542
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 6: And I can remember telling my agent just negotiating with

543
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 6: NFL Network because I wanted I was like that opportunity

544
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 6: to follow in his footsteps, Like I just kind of

545
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 6: had him up on this pedestal in my head the

546
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 6: same way I did Will McDonough, and I got to

547
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 6: be like that was like to me, like the greatest

548
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 6: thing I've accomplished is like the two guys I maybe

549
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 6: looked up to most or Will McDonough and Peter King,

550
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 6: and I wound up in both of their jobs. And

551
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 6: you know, like so I felt the pressure every week

552
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 6: of having to keep up with him. I thought, like

553
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 6: in eighteen, like, oh yeah, you're gonna ride off into

554
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 6: the sunset. And then he winds up like like like

555
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 6: winds up at NBC, and now instead of like succeed

556
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 6: just succeeding, it's like I'm competing with him. But that

557
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 6: was a great gift too, because like you know, the

558
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 6: the gift of competition and I love competition.

559
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 3: I've always been really competitive since I was a little kid.

560
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 6: And the gift of that pressure and knowing I had

561
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Speaker 6: to be on it every week, and like, if I

562
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 6: had a chance to get eyeballs on what I was doing,

563
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 6: I had to clear this bar that he's set and

564
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 6: possibly high. I mean, I don't know that I ever

565
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 6: cleared that bar, but it may be so much better

566
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 6: having to compete with him on a week to week basis.

567
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 6: And I'm like, after six years of doing the Monday thing,

568
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 6: like staying up all night after games during the season

569
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 6: and all of that, Like, I am in complete of

570
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 6: what he's been able to carry into his sixties. And

571
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 6: he's had the energy and the passion to do it.

572
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 6: He's everything that's right about our business. I think it's

573
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 6: probably the easiest way to put it.

574
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Speaker 2: So very cool, nice tribute right there.

575
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: How much of that building is on going for you

576
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: as we look around at what's happening here this week.

577
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: As far as the relationships, yeah, I mean it's an

578
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: important I mean the like this, the combine, you know,

579
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, those are important weeks just as far

580
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: as seeing people, and yeah, I mean I think it's

581
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: the power FaceTime is really important, and I, you know,

582
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: I really kind of came to a real I always

583
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: knew it, but I came to a realization of during

584
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: the pandemic where you know, I felt like, to some

585
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: degree I had an advantage over other people because I

586
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: did have the roll of decks and so when things

587
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: did shut down, my access wasn't cut off, Like I

588
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: didn't need to show.

589
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 6: Up to a building to get a hold of somebody.

590
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 6: And I, you know, I was like, this isn't so bad,

591
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 6: Like this works for me. And then the summer twenty one,

592
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 6: you know, I went on my training camp trip and

593
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 6: I just remember like the feeling of being face to

594
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 6: face with people again and interacting with people on that

595
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 6: level again and.

596
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 3: Being able to just you know, shoot with people again.

597
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 6: Sorry for my language, but like no connectivity, but like

598
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 6: the ability to do that like that was priceless. And

599
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 6: I think, like as much as like this isn't as

600
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 6: much as it's like a big event and they're going

601
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 6: to pass the rules and you know, all the coaches

602
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 6: talk on the record, it's it's way more valuable to

603
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 6: me to just be able to see everybody and to

604
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 6: be able to and if there's somebody who's helped me

605
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 6: with somebody something like being able to thank them in

606
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 6: person for it.

607
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: Like all that stuff is so import to what I do.

608
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt about it.

609
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: And I've always liked the league meetings because it's more

610
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: of an intimate feel and you do have that opportunity

611
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: to go out and speak to people, and maybe you

612
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: don't have those opportunities during the regular season when we're

613
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: just constantly running. Let me ask you this Jets off season.

614
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: We know their twenty twenty four success is going to

615
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: be tied to the health of Aaron Rodgers.

616
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: Yep.

617
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: What do you make of the way Joe Douglas is

618
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: kind of attacked the spring today?

619
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, like whatere the Jets wanted to be

620
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 6: was in a place where they'd have some flexibility with

621
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 6: a tenth overall pick.

622
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: In other words, like, I think.

623
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 6: If you had asked me a month ago, Oh, they

624
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 6: have to take a tackle, you know what I mean,

625
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 6: look at ted like, no question about it, mark it down.

626
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: Whoever the best tackle is, they're taking them. End of story. Like, A,

627
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: that's not the best way to do business, and B

628
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: that's a tough spot. To put a rookie in.

629
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 6: And so I think, you know, part of the idea

630
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 6: here is how do you create a scenario where you

631
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 6: can give yourself flexibility and you don't have to press

632
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 6: a need And if the player that lands at that

633
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 6: position to your spot at ten, if you if you're

634
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 6: not wild about him, you do have other options. And

635
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 6: so I think, you know, what they did on the

636
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 6: offensive line was massive, you know, like I think being

637
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 6: able to get those three guys in for a base

638
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 6: like a like base pay of eighteen million dollars collectively

639
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 6: now obviously if they play well to wind up being

640
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 6: more than that, but to Travor Morgan, Moses, who you

641
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 6: have who you know, to sign John Simpson who's coming

642
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 6: from a program that you know obviously Joe Douglas knows

643
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 6: that John Harbaugh program really well. And then to be

644
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 6: able to go and get you know, a Hall of

645
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 6: Fame level player although he's not maybe what he was,

646
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 6: still a really good player in Tyron Smith. I think

647
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 6: they've given themselves the flexibility now where like let's say,

648
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 6: I don't know, let's say Olufashanu and Joe Alt are

649
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 6: gone at ten and they really like Dallas Turner and

650
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 6: they feel like Dallas Turner can help them replace you

651
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 6: know what they're going to lose with Brice Off then

652
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 6: they can do that, right or they think, okay, like

653
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 6: maybe we want to add a receiver to the group,

654
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 6: right like and I and Mike Williams is another one

655
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 6: that kind of helps give them some flexibility where they

656
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 6: don't have to press the need opposite Garrett Wilson, Well

657
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 6: they could add and they could you know, say like

658
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 6: Roma Dunze false them. Well there's the flexibility maybe to

659
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Speaker 6: take a Roma Dunze. So I think they put themselves

660
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Speaker 6: in a position where I don't think there's a spot

661
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Speaker 6: where you say, yeah, they have to take care of

662
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Speaker 6: that in the first or second round, which is where

663
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Speaker 6: you want to be going into the draft.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people watching this and listening

665
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Speaker 1: to this, who are Jets fans for the playmaker? At

666
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: this point of course everything if one of those top

667
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Speaker 1: three receivers are there, maybe even a brock Bauers, where

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Speaker 1: do you stand because you just talked about the contracts, Yeah,

669
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Speaker 1: framed up essentially these are one year deals for Tyrant

670
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Speaker 1: Smith and then Morgan Moses last year of his contract.

671
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Speaker 2: How would you weigh that?

672
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Speaker 6: I mean, I would definitely weigh it, you know, I

673
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 6: think it's something you certainly have to look at. You know,

674
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Speaker 6: not only are those guys on one year contracts are

675
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Speaker 6: also pretty old, you know, Like so, like you're talking

676
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Speaker 6: about guys who you know, it's hard to count on

677
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 6: them for twenty and twenty five, you know, whether they're

678
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Speaker 6: signed or not. So I think you absolutely have to

679
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Speaker 6: get someone in the pipeline.

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Speaker 3: You know.

681
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Speaker 6: What I'm saying is you don't have to do in

682
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Speaker 6: the first round if you don't necessarily want to. You

683
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 6: could pick somebody developmental guy in the third round whatever.

684
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Speaker 6: And it's hard to find tackles outside of the first

685
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Speaker 6: round than it is other positions. But like I do

686
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Speaker 6: think like you have again you have that flexibility where

687
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Speaker 6: you know, if it's a Bowers, if it's in a Dunze,

688
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Speaker 6: whoever it is that's available, they're at ten, you can

689
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Speaker 6: pull the trigger on something like that and find another

690
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Speaker 6: way to address the tackle position or punt till next

691
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Speaker 6: season on it. And again, like you know, find a

692
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Speaker 6: developmental guy further down the road I think would be

693
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Speaker 6: part of that pot.

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Speaker 1: How would you go about picking your spots here when

695
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Speaker 1: they do have an AFC coach's breakfast.

696
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Speaker 2: It started to give it a little background.

697
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Speaker 1: Starts at seven forty five and more it goes to

698
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Speaker 1: eight fifteen of all the guys talking to the same time,

699
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Speaker 1: and I'm asking you.

700
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Speaker 2: Jets questions, but you from a national perspective.

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Speaker 6: Sure, I figure everything that's said in there is going

702
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 6: to be on the internet by noon, Okay, you know

703
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Speaker 6: what I mean. Like, so like there's not like this

704
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Speaker 6: great value for me and going in there and like hey,

705
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 6: like I'm gonna come out with X, Y or Z,

706
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 6: like it just all that stuff becomes news so quickly.

707
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Speaker 3: Everything that's in there becomes news so quickly.

708
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Speaker 6: So I like to say a lot to some people

709
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Speaker 6: and then to me, it's like whoever the newsmaker is,

710
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 6: you know, Like today I think it was Harbaugh, Like

711
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 6: going and seeing Jim Harbaugh and like getting to see him,

712
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 6: like getting getting to see him like talk about being

713
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 6: back in the NFL and seeing like his mannerisms and

714
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Speaker 6: the excitement on his face, like he looks fired up

715
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Speaker 6: to be back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.

717
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Speaker 6: Like and obviously he's entertaining too, But it's a different

718
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Speaker 6: guy than I remember when he was with the Niners.

719
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Speaker 6: Like when he was with the Niners, he's way more reserved,

720
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Speaker 6: Like you get him on the wrong day and it

721
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 6: was really tough to crack, and like now it just

722
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 6: seems more relaxed, more open and look like he, like

723
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Speaker 6: everybody else in that room's undefeated right now. So we'll see,

724
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Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like but but but but

725
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Speaker 6: but it was like just the idea just getting to

726
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 6: see that, you know, getting to see Mike Tomlin talk about,

727
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 6: just like looking for the mannerisms, the way that like

728
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Speaker 6: he's reacting to the questions, like some of that. So

729
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Speaker 6: I think you're sort of looking for I I at

730
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Speaker 6: least am like what value can I extract from this?

731
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Speaker 6: And like, for me, the value isn't like okay, like

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna tweet out this or that.

733
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Speaker 3: It's it's more if there's news to follow up on,

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Speaker 3: or there's somebody who's going to be a newsmaker.

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Speaker 6: It's like getting in front of them and seeing them

736
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Speaker 6: talk and seeing the way that you know, cause you

737
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 6: can tell the way people kind of the way that

738
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Speaker 6: people kind of talk about certain things, the way again

739
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Speaker 6: their mannerisms you can read into those sorts of things

740
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Speaker 6: and file them away.

741
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Speaker 3: So that's part of what I try to do.

742
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Speaker 1: Totally different landscape for the Jets this year, because last

743
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Speaker 1: year at league meetings we were talking about, ye hey, what's.

744
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: Gonna happen with Aaron Rodgers. We know Aaron Rodgers is

745
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Speaker 2: going to be back.

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Speaker 1: Robert Salace said today he's going to be on a mission,

747
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Speaker 1: obviously coming back from that Achilles. Do you think that

748
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Speaker 1: Robert is embracing being more out of the spotlight here

749
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Speaker 1: this offseason?

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Speaker 2: The spotlight always can return.

751
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Speaker 6: But you know, I mean, I think I think you know,

752
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 6: the spotlight is going to return the minute to minute

753
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 6: coverage of of his return from the Achilles, and so

754
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 6: I guarantee you there will be no lack of media

755
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Speaker 6: at the first availability during OTA is to see how

756
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 6: he's moving around and everything else. And it's not like

757
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 6: it's not gonna be like it was last year, you know.

758
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Speaker 6: But I do think going through that probably helps, you

759
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 6: know what I mean, and having gone through the scrutiny

760
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 6: and you know, understanding what that was last year and

761
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Speaker 6: being ready for it this year and being able to

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Speaker 6: get your players ready for it. You know, I think

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Speaker 6: that I think that can serve a purpose. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think I think Robert probably And you know, like

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Speaker 6: I think he's always been pretty pretty blunt and open

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Speaker 6: and like, uh like hard on a sleeve type of guy.

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking out of school when I say that, Like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I.

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Speaker 6: Think you can maybe see a little bit of a

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Speaker 6: more more of a acceptance of like everything that's coming

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Speaker 6: along with it.

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Speaker 1: And let's then here, how about the other guy who's

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Speaker 1: partnered with Joe Douglas. He talked about his moves and

774
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Speaker 1: free agency. Uh, he's openly acknowledged. Hey, listen, we got

775
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Speaker 1: to win. Both these guys have talked about we have

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Speaker 1: to win. How do you go about your business if

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Speaker 1: you're a g I'm your football architect where you're dealing

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Speaker 1: with the four year old quarterback, you know what that

779
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Speaker 1: window is, but you also want to build in the

780
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Speaker 1: long term as well, well.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I mean I think it's I think that's

782
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Speaker 6: the part that's interesting for Joe. And I think Joe's

783
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 6: actually again like they have to win and he hasn't

784
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 6: made the playoffs yet and it's been it's been a while.

785
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Speaker 6: And I think everybody, Robert, Joe, all the guys know

786
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 6: the score on that, but I do think you know,

787
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Speaker 6: like part of it is just hitting on your draft picks.

788
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Speaker 3: And it's that simple, you know what I mean.

789
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Speaker 6: Like, so, when Aaron walks away at whether it's after

790
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 6: this year, after next year, do you have playing in

791
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Speaker 6: place at quarterback? Do you have resources to go get one?

792
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Speaker 6: And then what does the core around the next quarterback

793
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Speaker 6: look like?

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Speaker 3: Right? And that's where again, like that tenth pick becomes

795
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: really important. Right, So is it.

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Speaker 6: Okay we have Olufashan who is our left tackle of

797
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Speaker 6: the future, and now the core is Olu Garrett Wilson,

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Speaker 6: Quinnin and Williams, Sauce, Gardner, Breese Hall. I think you

799
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 6: can actually start to talk your way through it, and

800
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 6: you can see there are a lot of good pieces.

801
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Speaker 3: Like Jermaine Johnson took us a step last year.

802
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Speaker 6: So I think that's the beauty of the spot the

803
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 6: Jets are in. And what's interesting about it too, is

804
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Speaker 6: that like, as you're offloading Rogers contract, you're probably going

805
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 6: to be onboarding some more big contracts because like those

806
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 6: guys are not going to be on rookie deals forever. No,

807
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Speaker 6: And I think hitting on draft picks has given them

808
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 6: the flexibility to build aggressively around Aaron. But that's it's

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00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 6: just like when you have the quarterback on a rookie

810
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 6: deal that doesn't last forever. Garrett Wilson's eventually going to

811
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 6: need to be paid. Sauce Gardner is eventually going to

812
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 6: need to be paid. Jermaine Johnson, if he plays well,

813
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Speaker 6: could be there too. And obviously Quentnen is there, you know.

814
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Speaker 6: So I think that's sort of the dynamic that you're

815
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 6: looking at where it's going to shift in a year

816
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 6: or two from quarterback heaving model to you hope that

817
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 6: that young core is in place and supports whoever the

818
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Speaker 6: next quarterback is.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your time as all got it.

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Speaker 1: We're now joined by Ian rep Report of NFL Networker.

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Speaker 1: Of course, what has been the reaction here at the

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00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: annual elite meetings to the new hip drop.

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Speaker 7: To I think here it's been really positive, you know,

824
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 7: getting it out of the game. To me, it's it's

825
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 7: more of sort of an obvious thing, right, I mean,

826
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Speaker 7: it's it's a play that causes far more injuries than

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Speaker 7: any other similar play. I mean I watched Mark Andrews

828
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Speaker 7: go down with the broken leg I've seen Gino Smith

829
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Speaker 7: on the sideline. Kenyan Drake was tweeting yesterday about how

830
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 7: his career was forever altered by hip drop tackle that

831
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Speaker 7: broke his leg. I mean, it's it. To me, it's

832
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Speaker 7: it's way more dangerous than than almost any other tackle,

833
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 7: and you have a play that's so obviously not right.

834
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Speaker 7: Getting it out of the game to me makes sense.

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Speaker 3: You know.

836
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Speaker 7: I see the the defensive players on social media speaking out, Yeah,

837
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 7: definitely get.

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Speaker 5: It, and their response is like, what do you expect

839
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Speaker 5: me to do?

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Speaker 7: And you know, I think the NFL's response is not

841
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 7: that not something where you can so obviously injure a

842
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 7: player plenty of other ways to tackle.

843
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 5: I don't think it really takes away.

844
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Speaker 7: Defender's ability, just hopefully will void of player's legs napig

845
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Speaker 7: in a half, which I think is good.

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Speaker 1: That certainly would be good unanimous vote by the owners

847
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Speaker 1: here don in Orlando, Florida. Yeah, NFC coach's breakfast just

848
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: wrapped up. I went over to the Dallas Cowboys table

849
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: to hear their coach, Mike McCarthy address reporters. What do

850
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Speaker 1: you think about the Jets edition of Tyrone Smith and

851
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: free agency?

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00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 7: I mean, I think it has the possibility to be,

853
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 7: you know, kind of season changing move, right. I mean,

854
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 7: if you Tyron Smith went healthy, is one of the

855
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 7: best tackles in the NFL, you know, top three.

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00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 5: I mean, he's a rock star and.

857
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 7: Has been throughout his career, and like, you know, there

858
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 7: was some years where he missed significant time with injury

859
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 7: and you're like, what's it going to be like when

860
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 7: he comes back? And then you look at him on

861
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 7: the field and he's the same, He's exactly the same.

862
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 7: Health is going to be a question. I think the

863
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 7: Jets protected themselves with the contract, and you're gonna have

864
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 7: to manage him. You know, he's not gonna practice all

865
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 7: the time. You're gonna have to be okay with that.

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Speaker 7: But he is really one of the like experts at

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Speaker 7: his craft, and you'll see like when like there will

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00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 7: be games when you will basically not notice that he's

869
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 7: on the field. Like that's what it's really like, and

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00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 7: it hasn't been like that for a while for the Jets.

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00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 7: You know, again, if healthy, I think it has a

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00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 7: chance to be an unbelievably significant.

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00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: Signing, potential future Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 7: Right, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know all decade,

875
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 7: like you know, and it's it's like when you're deciding

876
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 7: the Hall of Fame and I don't do that, you know,

877
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 7: but I do follow it very closely. What you always

878
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 7: think about is like did he have an era? Was

879
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 7: he the best tackle of his era? And like tired Smith?

880
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 5: That an era?

881
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 7: I mean's you know, all Pro every year, Pro Bowl

882
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 7: every year. I mean that's again like the kind of

883
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 7: guy you literally forget exists because you don't even think

884
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 7: about him.

885
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 5: One time during the game.

886
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: We knew the Jets were going to address the offensive

887
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: line free agency. That was emphasis number one for Joe Douglas.

888
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: What do you think about the connection there with Baltimore

889
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: John Simpson, twenty six year old guard who's kind of

890
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: restarted his career last year after starting off with the Raiders,

891
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: and then he comes back and trades for Morgan Moses

892
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 1: as a former Jet.

893
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 5: So you know, there are plenty of ways to miss

894
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 5: in free agency.

895
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 7: We see it every year, right, It's like you take

896
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 7: a guy who you know, you sort of you watch

897
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 7: and you've studied, and you're like, all right, he's in

898
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 7: this system, We're gonna put him on our system.

899
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 5: And we're gonna go.

900
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 7: And then sometimes with new coaches or new systems, it

901
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 7: doesn't work. So familiarity is a great way to help

902
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 7: free agent decisions work. Right, So when you have people

903
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 7: you know well, and obviously you know Joe Douglas knows

904
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 7: a lot of people in Baltimore, well, you have some

905
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 7: systems similarities, you know, or let's just say a guy

906
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 7: has played for the organization before. You're not like no

907
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 7: one's wondering, like for Morgemoses, Like no one's wondering what

908
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 7: kind of person Morgemoses is.

909
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 3: We know.

910
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 7: That's how you do well in free agency, I think

911
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 7: is you get guys who you you know well from

912
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 7: places you trust, and you put them in to do

913
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 7: exactly what they did the previous year.

914
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: And one thing that Robert Sala talked about here in

915
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: Orlando was the mindset is very important upfront, and I

916
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: think that people automatically think addressing an offensive line, you

917
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: want to take care of Aaron Rodgers. We know that,

918
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: But seems like the Jets are gonna be well equipped

919
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: to run the football.

920
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: With these additions in brisall behind them.

921
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 7: I mean it's the same though, right, It's like great

922
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 7: way to take care of a quarterback is to run

923
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 7: the heck out of the ball and like force the

924
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 7: defense to really defend it and force them to be tired.

925
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 5: And like there's all it's all complimentary.

926
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm I'm curious about Breese Hall anyway, because

927
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 7: like what we saw last year was you know, at

928
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 7: times I think he was amazing, but probably not one

929
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 7: hundred percent like himself. Like now the full off season,

930
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 7: no injuries, like he's probably gonna be better, and he

931
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 7: was already very good. So it's like if you you can,

932
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 7: you know, rely on the running game, not kind of

933
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 7: like used, but like really rely on it, then you

934
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 7: really might have something. And I think historically when you

935
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 7: get older quarterbacks, you know, look, Rogers is going to

936
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 7: make plays to win games.

937
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 5: He is going to keep the offense running.

938
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 7: He is going to be I think, really really good,

939
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 7: like he basically always has been. But historically older quarterbacks

940
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 7: have thrived by making plays when you need to, but

941
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 7: really relying on the run game, right, I mean we

942
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 7: saw I mean Peyton Manning and Denver was you know,

943
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 7: is an example that that comes to mind. I Mean

944
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 7: there's plenty of others, but that can really help, and

945
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 7: you know you talk about like keeping guys healthy, keeping

946
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 7: rogers healthy, like being able to run the heck out

947
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 7: of the bable help.

948
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: A good transition there to Mike Williams because the Jets

949
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: brought up the timeline with Bryce Hall. In terms of

950
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, the former Charger signs here and he tore

951
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: his ACL week three last year, you're gonna have to

952
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: take a slow approach, but they want him ready for

953
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: week one and they could have a similar arc what

954
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: we saw from.

955
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: Breeze Hall last year. That would be huge.

956
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're you're gonna you're gonna like Michael Yeah, yeah,

957
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 7: I mean, you were gonna like Michae Williams.

958
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 5: It's just funny.

959
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: He was briefly an abillity. It seems like a character.

960
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 7: Well yeah, and the whole sandwich thing I thought was

961
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 7: extremely funny. Like I will generally roll my eyes at

962
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 7: like sort of social media creations like that was very

963
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 7: organic and extremely funny.

964
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: Are you gonna shout out the Jets social team here?

965
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 5: Yeah?

966
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 7: I mean I I retweeted it. I thought it was

967
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 7: and it was funny for me. And I know this

968
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 7: isn't what you asked, but like I was that day.

969
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 7: I was doing something else where. I wasn't like staring

970
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 7: at my phone the whole day, and so like, the

971
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 7: Jets retweeted a sandwich, and.

972
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, what's happening here? Like I wasly I missed something.

973
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 7: I don't know what I missed, And I texted Golfer

974
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 7: and I'm like, what's happening here? Like, and so I

975
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 7: like went back and read alt. I'm like, oh my god,

976
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 7: this is so funny. And I was just like and

977
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 7: he played along great and then went to the basketball

978
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 7: game and had the sandwich.

979
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 5: I thought it was very funny.

980
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 7: But I'm just saying, like, on the field, you are

981
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 7: going to like him because and you know, like Daniel

982
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 7: Jeremiah and I are pretty close, and he does radio

983
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 7: for the Chargers and it's one of his favorite players.

984
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 7: Tom Telesco, I know, the former general manager for the

985
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 7: Chargers now with the Raiders, one of his favorite players.

986
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 7: I think the main reason is because you know, when

987
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 7: you get important moments of the game, your quarterback is

988
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 7: going to have to be under pressure and throw it

989
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 7: up and let the receiver go make a catch.

990
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 5: And he is awesome.

991
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 7: At just going up and catching it, like on the sideline,

992
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 7: deep routes like big plays like tough as anything, like

993
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 7: you are going to really really like him acl wise,

994
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 7: you know, Okay, you hope that this is a Jets

995
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 7: team that is playing meaningful games in decent in January.

996
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 7: Obviously you would like all the players playing at full

997
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 7: speed when the season starts.

998
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 5: If that's not reality, like that's.

999
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 7: Okay, Yeah, I think the main thing for Mike Williams

1000
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 7: whose you have him when the games really matter.

1001
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: How interesting?

1002
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: Now are the Jets at ten in the first round

1003
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: and you guys continue to talk about quarterbacks at the

1004
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: top of the draft, and that's where the dominoes start falling,

1005
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: And then where are the Jets going to be?

1006
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: Like their situation do.

1007
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: You ultimately think because you talked about addressing the offensive line,

1008
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: which we saw free agency, and then they get a

1009
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: receiver of Big X and Mike Williams so defensively did

1010
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: some tinkering. That's going to be an elite unit. But

1011
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: do you like the options they now have?

1012
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 5: Well?

1013
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean and I would say, like you talk

1014
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 7: about like quarterback, like the Jets have done quarterback work,

1015
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 7: you know, like do they take one in the first round,

1016
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 7: like I don't know who's going.

1017
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 5: To be there.

1018
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 7: If a top guy they like a lot is there,

1019
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 7: like and they could, oh, I don't know, sit him

1020
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 7: for two years behind one of the greatest of all time.

1021
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 5: I'm like, we know that can work.

1022
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 7: So if they have a quarterback they like, like, I

1023
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 7: would think it'd be great, And I think Rogers would

1024
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 7: handle that different than he did early in his career.

1025
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 7: But even still, like, you know, if if the Jets

1026
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 7: take one and it turns out to be what Jordan

1027
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 7: Love is now in Green Bay, that's the biggest win

1028
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 7: you could have as an organization. They don't have to

1029
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 7: do what they did to get Rogers. So I think,

1030
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 7: to me, if the right guy's there, that could be

1031
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 7: an option. They now like the Yes, they address tackle,

1032
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 7: but what if a great franchise tackle falls to them.

1033
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 7: They're like, could you take one, make them a swing tackle,

1034
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 7: play Tyran for a year, and then install them.

1035
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 5: They're like, yeah, you could, Like that's how it works.

1036
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 7: That's literally what the Cowboys did and letting Tyron goes,

1037
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 7: they have Tyer Smith come play left tackle. Like, could

1038
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 7: you get an elite receiver, you know, one of the

1039
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 7: top three guys who somehow falls to ten.

1040
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 5: Like, could it's a really really good spot?

1041
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: Could you see that happening one of the elite receivers?

1042
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 5: Well, let's think about it.

1043
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 2: So let's assume the top three.

1044
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 7: Let's assume that quarterbacks go one, two, three, and maybe four. Okay,

1045
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 7: so then you have three receivers, you have probably two tackles.

1046
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 7: You have at least one edge rusher maybe more like,

1047
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 7: there's only so many picks, so someone is going to

1048
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 7: get there, and you know, I would say, you know,

1049
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 7: could the Jets jump up a little bit for a

1050
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 7: guy they really like?

1051
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: Sure?

1052
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 5: Could? Could they you know, move back?

1053
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 7: And if someone is like dying to get one of

1054
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 7: those receivers, here's the sort of problem or issue whatever

1055
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 7: you'd say with having such a deep receiver draft is

1056
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 7: you actually don't have to get one early because you'll

1057
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 7: get a What are the Jets picking the second round?

1058
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: Don't have a pick in the second round right now?

1059
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: They got seven selections, that's right, so they'll come back

1060
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: in the third round. So people are saying, like, to

1061
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: your point about flexibility and options, maybe go down if you.

1062
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 5: Come back and get a second round.

1063
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 7: But let's okay, but let's say I forgot that didn't

1064
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 7: have a second rounder, but because that was the Rogers pick.

1065
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: Yep.

1066
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, so let's say which I mean, you know, annoying

1067
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 7: to not have a second round or thank god it's

1068
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 7: not a first round. That was one of the best

1069
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 7: things Joe Douglas ever did was keeping that first rounder.

1070
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 7: They will get a second round talent receiver in the

1071
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 7: third round if that's where they go, so like, they

1072
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 7: have plenty of options. I don't think they need one

1073
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 7: in the first round.

1074
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:37,959
Speaker 1: Yeah. You guys had a segment yesterday where TP Tom

1075
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: Palisaro was saying a lot of executives here wouldn't be

1076
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: surprised if Washington went in the direction of Michigan quarterback

1077
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy.

1078
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 5: I heard that.

1079
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 7: I wouldn't be surprised by anything, because the one thing

1080
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 7: I know draft wise is that you know, you get

1081
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 7: to this point of the year and everyone's short of envisions.

1082
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 5: They think the draft is gonna go.

1083
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 7: You say, well, obviously Kill's going one, and then you

1084
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 7: know it'd be Drake may or Jane Daniels at two

1085
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 7: or three, and then McCarthy, you know, probably goes four.

1086
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 7: And you're like, well, and everyone sort of says that enough,

1087
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 7: and the mock draft said that enough that you think

1088
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 7: that's the way it's gonna happen.

1089
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 5: But like, if JJ McCarthy's good enough to go four,

1090
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 5: why would he not be good enough to go two?

1091
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 7: If Jane Daniels is good enough to go three, why

1092
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 7: would he not be good enough to go two?

1093
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 5: I have no idea.

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Speaker 7: And that's sort of the I mean, the draft is

1095
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Speaker 7: literally the best. But that's why it's so fun is

1096
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Speaker 7: because truly nobody knows.

1097
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Speaker 5: And if even.

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Speaker 7: If Washington liked McCarthy enough to take him at two,

1099
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Speaker 7: they're not gonna tell anyone until they get to be

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Speaker 7: on the clock, right.

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Speaker 2: I know, you got to go do a live spot.

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Speaker 2: I want to end to hear.

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Speaker 1: Robert Salah talked about hey being quiet around the jets

1104
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Speaker 1: right now.

1105
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Speaker 2: Do you anticipate that picks up again?

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Speaker 1: As far as the lights being bright and this franchise

1107
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Speaker 1: once Aaron Rodgers returns again and he's there in the

1108
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Speaker 1: spring and in the summer.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it'll be like last year.

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Speaker 7: I don't think it's gonna be the wild expectations. I

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Speaker 7: don't think it's gonna you know, it's it's gonna be

1112
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Speaker 7: a little more measured. Same success is still potentially out there,

1113
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Speaker 7: you know, I think, but I don't think it's gonna

1114
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Speaker 7: be like, you know, I'll be at training camp again.

1115
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Speaker 5: I'm sure.

1116
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Speaker 7: I don't think it'll be the absolute pandemony of like,

1117
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Speaker 7: oh my god, we got Rogers, which is fine.

1118
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Speaker 5: Everyone will sort of settle in a little bit.

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Speaker 7: The news will be gone and will just be like

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Speaker 7: a regular good team, which is a great place to be.

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Speaker 5: It's never gonna be.

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Speaker 7: Quiet because it's New York. So I heard Sala say like, oh,

1123
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Speaker 7: you know, under the rate. I'm like, no, never gonna be,

1124
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Speaker 7: but not like last year, which is a totally.

1125
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Speaker 5: Fine place to be.

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Speaker 2: Great Senior, thank you so much

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Speaker 5: Thank you man, thanks for having me.