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Speaker 4: we're excited here to be back in studio for another

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Speaker 4: episode of Patriots Draft Countdown. Guys, we had free agency,

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Speaker 4: a lot of moves made by the Patriots, specifically on

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Speaker 4: the defensive side of the ball, and what we just

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Speaker 4: want to discuss here is how's it gonna affect their

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Speaker 4: draft plans? Paul, they were heavy on the defensive side

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Speaker 4: of the ball. What are your takeaways and how they

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Speaker 4: might affect the draft.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, starting to hear a lot of people being let's say, worried,

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Speaker 5: might be an understatement about neglecting the offense. I have

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Speaker 5: to think that they're going to lean a little bit

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Speaker 5: more heavily on that side of the ball come draft time. Now,

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Speaker 5: the problem with that is that's great in theory, but

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Speaker 5: how does it work out in practice?

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Speaker 2: Who's available?

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Speaker 5: You need a left tackle, you need more than just

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Speaker 5: Will those spots be worthy of taking someone at number

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Speaker 5: four with those positions? I should say that time will tell,

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Speaker 5: but I have to think they're going to weigh heavily

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Speaker 6: Mike Evan, you.

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Speaker 4: Put out another mock draft this week. How did the

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Speaker 4: free agency affect your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: That went into this Monck draft?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, offense. Offense was the first two picks. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I took Campbell and Jayden Higgins from ioways stay with

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Speaker 7: my first two picks. But I think that's really what

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Speaker 7: it came down to when I did that mock drafts

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Speaker 7: order of operations, like at which position do you want

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Speaker 7: to address first? Obviously it's going to depend on which

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Speaker 7: player you have great at higher you know, is it

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Speaker 7: Ted McMillan, and then a tackle, is it Campbell?

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Speaker 2: And then a receiver.

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Speaker 7: I think that's the direction that we're headed in. But

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Speaker 7: it's just a matter of, you know, finding the value

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Speaker 7: of where it hit those spots. You mentioned that they

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Speaker 7: need more than just tackle. Do you think one of

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Speaker 7: the benefits of this draft is a very good guard class,

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Speaker 7: So I feel pretty good about them finding another guard

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Speaker 7: in and how do you find that best value there?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's took out to you matismos from this last

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Speaker 6: I mean, the defense is all you want to say,

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Speaker 6: taken care of now, but we still have questions at receiver.

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Speaker 6: The O line has some questions. I think some Patriots

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Speaker 6: fans were a little upset that there are some trades

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Speaker 6: it's April. See what happens at receiver.

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Speaker 4: So coming up later in the show, Matisa and Chris

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Speaker 4: Cassidy satdown broke down some of the mock drafts. How

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Speaker 4: teams are you know other I guess pundits around the

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Speaker 4: it seems like we're always kind of coming back to

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Speaker 2: Overall.

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Speaker 4: For me, though, it seems like a no brainer if

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Speaker 4: Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter is there. And I know

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Speaker 4: we've been saying this for months now, but if those

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Speaker 4: two guys are there, Paul is, are those the slam

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Speaker 3: They would be.

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Speaker 5: For me, I absolutely would jump all over Travis Hunter

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the hard decision, and I put out a

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Matisa and.

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Speaker 4: Chris are going to tear it apart, but you know,

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Speaker 4: I understand running back, it's a devalue position a little

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Speaker 2: Though, it's just standing out.

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Speaker 4: In my eye that the Patriots were a terrible run

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Speaker 2: But I think there are a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of, you know, different options. We've talked about Daniel

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Speaker 4: Jeremiah his view of this draft going from ten to

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Speaker 4: five years from now and saying, man, we had the

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Speaker 4: and we were trying to fill a need, or we

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's always a chance that that happens in any draft,

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Speaker 7: But I think in a draft like this, fit is

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Speaker 7: this draft because there's not a big talent gap between

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Speaker 7: character and intangibles and fit in. How he's going to

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Speaker 7: this program might end up being as a big factor

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Speaker 2: So what are going to be the deal breakers?

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Speaker 7: when I hear just pick the best player available, I

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Speaker 5: And that's an interesting factor that Evan brings up because

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Speaker 5: the factors that Evan's talking about might make the difference

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Speaker 5: made a really good point about the draft in general,

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Speaker 5: and it's true every year you have to make sure

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Speaker 5: Evan said in say Campbell and Hawkins with your first

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Speaker 2: Well, that's if.

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Speaker 5: Those two guys can play so and there's no guarantees

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Speaker 5: finding difference making players regardless of position. That's why I

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Speaker 5: kind of lean on the best player available. But I

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Speaker 5: understand what Evan's talking about with fit and culture and

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Speaker 5: there's something for everybody. It depends on what your preference

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Speaker 7: Yeah, like Tech McMillan, sorry Duce, but like Teed McMillan

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Speaker 7: you draft Tep McMillan, you have to have a plan

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Speaker 2: And if Josh McDaniels says he's not really my.

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Speaker 2: So, like there's so many examples of that.

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Speaker 7: You know, Mason Graham, does he have too much overlap

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Speaker 2: So you have to be careful in this draft.

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Speaker 7: I think of, you know, what's the plan for this player,

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Speaker 4: He's free agency isn't quite over yet though, and there

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Speaker 6: I think there are definitely some holes, but we've whiffed

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Speaker 6: I think bringing somebody in like that brings a lot

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, that's gonna do it here at this

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Speaker 4: first segment. But we've got a jam Pack show. Hope

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Speaker 4: you'll stick around. We got Evan's got a film breakdown

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Speaker 4: coming up, and then later in the show we'll also

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Speaker 4: break down the quarterbacks in addition to Chris and Matis

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Speaker 4: breaking down the recent mock draft. So jam Pack Show,

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Speaker 4: check out Evan's film review here.

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Speaker 7: What's up, everybody, It's Evan Lazarre. Welcome into the Page

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Speaker 7: Treats Draft Countdown film Room. We're gonna talk about the

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Speaker 7: tight ends here today. My top five tight ends in

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Speaker 7: this draft. We're gonna break all these guys down individually

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Speaker 7: here in a second, But I want to start at

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Speaker 7: the top with Penn State's tight end Tyler Warren, top

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Speaker 7: film here and show you why he's so highly coveted

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Speaker 7: here in this draft cycle. And I look at Tyler

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Speaker 7: Warren a couple different things that stand out about him

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Speaker 7: on film, the first one being we can play bully ball.

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Speaker 7: We can just be a man amongst boys. This is

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Speaker 3: I mean, all right, this is my take on that.

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Speaker 6: But so I viewed genty as a luxury pick. I

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Speaker 6: Pick one A. We got Field Yates, Charles Davis, Abdull Carter,

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Speaker 3: Absolute menace on the field. I mean his body like

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Speaker 6: I mean, Chris, if the Titans take cam Ward, Browns

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Speaker 6: So, Chris, this is just the week after free agency.

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Speaker 4: Okay, the first position we're breaking down here is the

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Speaker 5: State a lot. I didn't see him as much last

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Speaker 5: year in Miami. I know he was a little sort

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Speaker 5: of up and down. They had an explosive offense, but

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of skills there I think to work with,

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Speaker 5: and I think that you guys would know better coming

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Speaker 5: back from the combine a few weeks ago. It seems

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Speaker 5: like the NFL guys are a little bit more sold

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Speaker 5: on him than they are the rest.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you broke it down perfectly those tiers.

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Speaker 7: The question is just where does Schador fit into all

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Speaker 7: of this and what's his ceiling, what's his floor in

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Speaker 7: terms of where he goes in the draft. Cam Ward

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Speaker 7: feels like a top quarterback prospect a way that he's

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Speaker 7: being discussed by, you know, people that we spoke to

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Speaker 7: at the combine deuce and things like that. So he's

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Speaker 7: a he's got a free arm, you know, loose arm,

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Speaker 7: really can whip the ball anywhere from different arm angles,

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Speaker 7: has that whole like you know, gunslinger playmaker thing that

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Speaker 7: everybody likes nowadays, can run a little bit. I would

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Speaker 7: say that his skill set reminds me the most of

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Speaker 7: like a Russell Wilson type, you know, prime Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 7: with the way that he can throw the ball deep

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Speaker 7: and you know, move around and things like that. But

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Speaker 7: he's he's being talked about it a little bit differently

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Speaker 7: than the rest of this class. And if you're a

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Speaker 7: quarterback needy team, it's just a matter of, you know,

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Speaker 7: do you draft Shadoor Sanders in the first round or

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Speaker 7: do you draft a similar high floor guy like Will

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Speaker 7: Howard or something like that on Day two? And I

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Speaker 7: feel like that's where the Patriots are are circling, you know,

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Speaker 7: crossing their fingers that somebody jumps early Tez we.

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Speaker 4: Saw Should Sanders at the combine. Does not lack for

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Speaker 4: confidence at all. I said, I think he's got all

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Speaker 4: this dad's confidence, maybe not quite all his dad's skill.

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Speaker 6: But what do you think is Should would if this

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Speaker 6: was your team, would you make the move for him?

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Speaker 6: I am a chador guy, But that being said, this

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Speaker 6: is just it's not a strong class. You always see

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Speaker 6: quarterbacks be hyped up. Every year has shades of twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty two with Pickett and rock Party, which is funny

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Speaker 6: because Pickett just won a Super Bowl, won a Super

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Speaker 6: Bowl and party's mister irrelevant. But that being said, I

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Speaker 6: like Shador. He's more of a pro typical quarterback compared

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Speaker 6: to cam Ward. I think the question is if you're

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Speaker 6: one of those teams, is this the guy like you're

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Speaker 6: drafted in one or two? Is that like you're gonna

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Speaker 6: have to bank on him for a couple of years?

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Speaker 6: You want to go through the growing pains again, or

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Speaker 6: maybe get a better player like Abdol Carter or Travis Hunter,

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Speaker 6: which would be bad for the Patriots obviously, and then

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Speaker 6: deal with the growing pains.

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Speaker 4: So I was hoping you were gonna talk me into

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Speaker 4: the going overall.

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Speaker 7: Hey, I feel like I, you know, we come across

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Speaker 7: like Shador can't play at all.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes I think he's a good player.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just think that there's questions of out how

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Speaker 7: good of a player is he going to be?

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Speaker 2: What's his ceiling?

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Speaker 7: I think he's really polished actually for this point, you know,

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Speaker 7: pocket poised mechanics. He throws a good ball, but there

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Speaker 7: isn't that wow factor when you watch his tape.

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Speaker 6: Well, that being said too, he's playing behind a very

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Speaker 6: bad offensive line. That being said, some of the teams

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Speaker 6: draft him, would that would draft him don't have the

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Speaker 6: best line, but it'd be interesting to see if he

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Speaker 6: falls in the right place what his potential could be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, moving down the list a little bit, Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 2: Did you see him down to the Senior Bowl?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so you got to see the ball week ever apparently.

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Speaker 4: Well it was for a while there we were talking

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Speaker 4: about he's gonna elevate. It seems like that's maybe settled

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Speaker 4: in a little bit. He's that maybe I don't want

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Speaker 4: to say B level because I'm not sure that Shador

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Speaker 4: is at B level guy, but he's that maybe seems

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Speaker 4: like that third guy to come.

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Speaker 2: He's the wild card.

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Speaker 7: You could fall in love with the traits with Jackson

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Speaker 7: Dart and I would totally understand it. If it was

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Speaker 7: seven on seven, Jackson Dart would would be a top

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Speaker 7: five pick, right. Like, guy can really sling it. He

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Speaker 7: throws a great ball, He's got a great arm. He

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Speaker 7: can throw on the run, he can throw from the pocket.

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Speaker 7: He really has no limitations from a physical standpoint. But

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Speaker 7: he played in one of those college air raid systems.

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Speaker 7: You know, there's a lot of RPO, there's a lot

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Speaker 7: of one read things that were going on for him

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Speaker 7: there at Ole Miss, so like he's going to have

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Speaker 7: to prove that, you know, he can do a little

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Speaker 7: bit more than I think some of the things he

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Speaker 7: showed in college at the next level. But he's got

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Speaker 7: a lot of traits that you can fall in love with.

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Speaker 7: And when you see him in a practice setting, like

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Speaker 7: down in Mobile where he's wearing a non contact jersey

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Speaker 7: and he's just kind of standing there throwing balls in practice,

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Speaker 7: I can tell why people would watch that and say,

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Speaker 7: this guy's got something going here.

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Speaker 2: But you watch his.

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Speaker 7: College tape and it's just a roller coaster. It's just

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Speaker 7: a lot of ups and downs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, from a pure skills standpoint, I think you

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Speaker 5: can make an argument he's more skilled than Sanders. But

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Speaker 5: everything Evan said is right in that whole Old Miss system.

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Speaker 5: And there's a reason why those quarterbacks and there's some

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Speaker 5: good guys with good skills, like Matt Carrall was a

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Speaker 5: guy obviously the Patriots fans are, you know, mildly familiar with.

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Speaker 5: There's a reason why different teams are giving those guys

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Speaker 5: opportunities because they were enamored with the skill sets. But

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Speaker 5: I think that the system down there, while it's a

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Speaker 5: very effective college system hasn't necessariarily translated. I think if

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Speaker 5: you look back to like Texas Tech, you know, the

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Speaker 5: old Mike Leech Air raid, you know.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a thing.

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Speaker 5: A lot of those guys just didn't work, you know

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Speaker 5: when they got to the NFL, and then all of

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Speaker 5: a sudden, Patrick Mahomes came. So maybe Jackson Dart's the

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Speaker 5: guy that sort of breaks them old. I'd be a

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Speaker 5: little bit more skeptical the way Evan sounded. I think

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Speaker 5: he can play. I think physically he's a guy I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't mind taking a chance on in day two as

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Speaker 5: a developmental guy. You mentioned Will Howard also, I would

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Speaker 5: be in on those guys as a developmental guy. But

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Speaker 5: if you think you're gonna like, oh, I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna beat the system. I'm gonna take Jackson Dart at

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Speaker 5: twenty two and I'm going to have my guy, I

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Speaker 5: don't think it's gonna work out for you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I want you don't need to believe in

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Speaker 4: this position too much. But you guys mentioned Will Howard,

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Speaker 4: Riley Leonard, two guys that faced each other in the

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Speaker 4: National Championship Game, and Quinn your is another name I

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Speaker 4: would just throw in there guys that are to have

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Speaker 4: some name brand recognition. But as we get to the draft,

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Speaker 4: you mentioned Will Howard is maybe a guy with a

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Speaker 4: floor and maybe worth working with. But what do you

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Speaker 4: guys think of those those three teas.

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Speaker 6: It's just interesting you see Quin yours, Will Howard, all

572
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Speaker 6: those guys, I wonder where they're gonna end up falling

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Speaker 6: because the drop is pre significant. You also have guys

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Speaker 6: like Jalen Milroe, Like, they all have some positive traits.

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Speaker 6: So I think they're gonna end up in the fourth round,

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Speaker 6: like you could take a shot on them. But if

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Speaker 6: that case, you probably said a quarterback, they're gonna develop

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Speaker 6: for a couple of years.

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Speaker 5: Day three guys I would agree with with tease, and

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Speaker 5: you know I would. You know, Tyler Shock is a

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Speaker 5: guy that you know, I don't know if if there's

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Speaker 5: ever been a more experienced quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Coming out of college.

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Speaker 5: I mean seven seasons three at Oregon, three at Texas Tech,

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Speaker 5: and last year at Louisville. Maybe he's too old.

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Speaker 4: I really liked him at the Combine in the podium,

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Speaker 4: I just found him. I thought he presented himself well, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, obviously, you know everybody looks at Jayden Daniels. Now

589
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Speaker 5: you know he played six years and how you need

590
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Speaker 5: that experience and.

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Speaker 2: That's how you do it. So maybe he'll get a

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Speaker 2: look as a Day three guy. Maybe not, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: But he's a guy that sort of had some periods

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Speaker 5: of productivity in college.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you mentioned the Howards, the Leonards. I think those

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Speaker 7: guys are backups to maybe low end starter talents just

597
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Speaker 7: in terms of their ceiling. But Tyler Show is one

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Speaker 7: of those guys that had six foot five, two hundred

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Speaker 7: and twenty five pounds, and.

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Speaker 2: You watch his tape.

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Speaker 7: He's like kind of the Draft Knicks favorite quarterback in

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Speaker 7: this class because he just makes some throws that are

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Speaker 7: just you know, from ridiculous arm angles and stuff like that.

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Speaker 7: There's one of him in the red zone where I

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Speaker 7: don't really know if a human arm is supposed to

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Speaker 7: go at that angle, and he just like kind of

607
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Speaker 7: flips it almost like underhand to a receiver. And so

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Speaker 7: he does a lot of that kind of stuff on

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Speaker 7: tape that gets clipped and put on Twitter and things

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Speaker 7: like that, and makes the rounds.

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Speaker 2: The other guy.

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Speaker 7: I think that has some upside that teams could take

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Speaker 7: a chance on his Jalen Milroe, I just look at him.

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Speaker 7: His ability to run obviously is a big part of it.

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Speaker 7: But if you build an offense around him like Philly

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Speaker 7: did with Jalen Hurts, and it specializes in the things

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Speaker 7: that he can do, then I do think that you

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Speaker 7: could make a productive offense around Jalen Milroe. A little

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Speaker 7: raw still as a passer, but can really whip it,

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Speaker 7: can run. I would look at him as someone that

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Speaker 7: if you want to bet on trades, you know, those

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Speaker 7: two guys are the trades guys, and then Howard and

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Speaker 7: Riley Leonard and those guys are sort of the floor,

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Speaker 7: you know, backup types.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I agree with Evan also with Milroe. You

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Speaker 6: look at the beginning of the college season. I mean

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Speaker 6: they were saying he was going to go top five. So,

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Speaker 6: I mean the talent is there and it'll be very interesting.

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Speaker 6: Maybe gets that backup role, somebody gets hurt, give him

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Speaker 6: a chance, see what happens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anybody else that I didn't mention that you guys

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Speaker 4: are a particularly interested in and not a big position

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Speaker 4: to need for the Patriots.

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Speaker 6: Patriots got lucky. That's all I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 4: True enough, Drake May last year, so that's going to

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Speaker 4: do it for the quarterback positional preview as well as

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Speaker 4: this episode of Patriots Draft Countdown. We'll back next week

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Speaker 4: when I have a jam packed episode