WEBVTT - "Hairline Switch" with Janelle James 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.680 I want to love seeing goddamn right, who doesn't want 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:08.840 to make out on TV? It's pretty cool. I mean, 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.360 while titty is still up in the end, you know, right, 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:16.000 let me make out while my titties are fresh. They're 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.560 gonna soil eventually. I'd like it on wax as evidence 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:21.160 so I could show my kids later. You see them 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.040 titties like I wouldn't said back in the day. I 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.120 know you don't like talking about your mama's titties, but 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:29.280 I'm gonna show you. I need you to see him 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.920 just so you respect me. Goddamn it, boys, gather round 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.760 something to share with you. Everyone around the fireplace. I 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.320 have a big announcement that your daddy ever tell you 0:00:40.320 --> 0:01:04.600 about this? Why chips racist? She's turning stuff I can't 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:11.240 tell me. Yeah, there it is. There it is, Ladies 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:15.600 and gentlemen, here we are welcome to another phenomenal, devastating, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:20.080 thick booty episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.679 where we dive deep into the pockets of black conspiracy 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.920 theories and we finally start that go fund me to 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:31.440 recollect iced teas Ponytail. The man ain't been the same 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.560 since they took his ponytail from him. We got to 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:39.080 get that ponytail back by all means, by any coast, 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:43.720 we will get iced tea back his ponytail. I am 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.480 your host, lakes Nick Herman. I am excited to be here. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.960 It is hot in my house. I ain't wearing no sleeves. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.800 We're getting it popping today. And my guest today apparently 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.960 she's not wearing no shirt, which is very exciting for 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.120 everyone involved. It's an audio podcast, but now you get 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.640 to use your imagination, which is very fun. She's hilarious. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.120 She's just so fucking funny. You know from Netflix, you 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.519 know from Black Monday. She's just hilarious. I'm a big fan. 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.040 Give it up from my guest today, Miss Janelle James. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:22.400 Oh yeah, I haven't felt applause and so long again 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:31.600 one more time. I got It's nice, right, Yeah, you 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.360 haven't done any of the you know, the outdoor shows. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.760 You haven't gone and ventured out. Two days ago it 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.960 was my first one with Chelsea Handler. But it was 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:44.000 such ah, it was such a huge ordeal and uh 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.240 that I'm not sure. I'm still trying to figure out 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.280 if I enjoyed it or not. It was so stressful. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.839 First show in five months. That weird thing of like 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.360 you're not comfortable doing your art the way that you 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.600 used to do your art. Tacked on top of the 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.560 fact that like you're putting couzies on top of your 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.200 microphone from spreading germs, it's all very well, that's not 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.160 even half of it. It was a shoot, not just 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.720 a show. So it's a sad rules and it is 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:16.880 intense so to you know, sanitize and audience and mask 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.200 and isolation, and it's just like, yo, is this fun? 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.680 Just worth it? Yeah? I mean I got paid. I 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.640 was like, I had told myself I wasn't gonna come 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.000 venture out unless it's for a good amount of money. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.320 So they got me on that. But then I was 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.320 just like, yo, this is this is crazy. I don't 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:38.960 know if the money Now I'm like, I don't know 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.160 if the money was right. It was so much, it 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.560 was so much to deal with. So yeah, I feel 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.680 like after a certain point of success, we're all asking ourselves, like, 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.320 I don't know. I had planned on hitting there so quickly, 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.520 you know. So I once did a commercial where I 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.880 dressed up like a giant piece of checks mix, and uh, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.160 I hit that prettier only in my career. I remember that. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:07.600 It's not a fond memory. I'm not brand commercial. Uh nope. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.440 Oh well okay. And it was the internet. It was 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.200 like weird no websites only no, no, not even in 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:20.040 residual checks to take the edge off your regret to 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.919 be a whore. You know, we all do. The point 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.960 is we all make choices exactly. Well, I'm really excited 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.799 you're here today because you came with a conspiracy theory 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.440 that has been very near and dear to my heart 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:39.600 for quite a while. And after some deliberating, we deliberated 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.640 a little bit, but you can. I want to make 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.200 sure we get this correct. You said. My mama told 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:49.040 me black men with bad haircuts are perceived as safer 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:55.640 in the eyes of white America. Is it a conspiracy 0:04:55.680 --> 0:05:02.560 if it's true. Yeah, but that's what they say. I've 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.080 heard it before, and I love that you picked it. 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.880 Tell me where this comes from for you, well, my 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.440 mama first, but also I think it perpetuates through Hollywood. 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.920 Anytime the good guy steps on the scene, that hairline 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.080 is is all the way funked up, you know what 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:23.320 I mean. And so I think it's so almost anti 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:28.880 black to be walking around with your head oh messed up. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.640 That It's like you gotta be working on the other side, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.320 you know what I mean, or trying to not working 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.120 on the other side, but trying to present yourself is 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:40.640 differently then, right, So you're saying that to some extent, 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.880 this is like the men or the people involved in 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.400 this consenting to a shitty hairline for the sake of 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.000 like getting in good with Hollywood. It started as a 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.880 conspiracy and people are now using it, you know what 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:59.400 I mean, just my just my theory. I listen, there's 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.919 no reason in the run from this. Let's dig deep 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.000 and we all code switch. Some people here line switch, 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:09.240 you know what I mean. You're trying to get trying 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:14.320 to get exactly Exam James. Her voice on the phone 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.320 calls some of y'all tell your barber a, don't touch that. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:20.440 I'm trying to get up to the VP spot. You know. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:25.440 So I got my I love that. Wait, your mother 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.880 has this opinion, she shares this conspiracy theory. Now I 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.120 was lying. I was just trying to go with just 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.200 playing along. Good. Yeah, my mother, I'm from the Island, 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.160 so we I don't know what our conspiracy theory. We 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.560 just have a lot of sayings that are rooted in 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:43.080 religion bullshit that I can Yeah, but this one is 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:47.760 I picked because I've definitely no, it's a thing. Sure, 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.240 let's start digging into examples, because I do feel like 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.359 even for our white listeners, we have to imagine that 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.599 some of them are even confused about what a good 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.040 hairline is. Do you know what I mean? Like, I 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.640 can't imagine that that half the time they even know 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.680 when a black man has us. I would say, look 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.960 at any recent upgrade on the NBA. You know it's 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.120 an NBA that was looking a little different than they 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.400 were a couple of years ago. That's the new version 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.680 is the good hairline. That's that's Look at you trying 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:26.440 to keep your money by not saying Lebron James, I 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:30.240 was very professional of you. You're like, I have to 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.160 dress as a Graham packer next to him in a 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.680 commercial coming up. You don't know, you don't know he 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.320 sometimes you know, might right be a check I'm gonna be, 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.280 but you never know. When the individuals crossover into a 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.960 comedic comedy or whatever, they always crossed the no. But 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:47.560 I might have to meet this dude one day, you 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:54.840 never know. But yeah, an Janelle James jam too. Oh 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.200 my god, I wish anyway, don't we all? But I 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.560 totally agree. I think that to some extent, Uh, there 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.760 was a celebration of a lot of NBA or sort 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.000 of big celebrity figures at the point that their hair 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:18.400 looked shitty or is continuing to look shitty. Complicated, We'll sure. Yeah, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.040 I was just gonna say, white people want to know 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.800 what we're trying to achieve here as far as perfection, 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.680 look to the ones that were paid for right there 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.920 you go that look okay, look there, Well that's okay. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.959 Now you're explaining something. So so a old lebron is 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:38.400 what we're fighting again, current lebron is what we are 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.320 trying to achieve. I've said it. I've said it a 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.640 few times in other places, but I genuinely believe that 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.240 Jalen Rose made a deal with the devil to have 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:54.840 the hairline that he has. It is magnificent. This dude up. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.600 Oh you don't know Jalen Rose. No, I'm not a 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.120 big forceman ever exists. He's more famous for being an 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.000 Indiana pacer and then getting uh, well he wasn't a 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.120 pacer at the time, but he took eighty one points 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.120 from Kobe. Kobe scored eighty one points on the man 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.480 and now he's a commentator. And this is an example 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.720 of a great heirline. It's what you're saying is fantastic. Oh. 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.560 I'm like, wait a minute, what do you okay? I 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.439 thought you were saying the opposite. I'm like, well, ship, 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.360 what's the good one? If this is awful? This, yeah, 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.000 this is pretty fucking perfect. It's the perfect airline. And 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.680 I have to believe that he did something. He murdered 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.280 an orphan to get it. Oh he forty seven with 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:35.679 this strong ass headline something going on? Uh something at 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.160 and I'm looking at a picture of his younger self 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.680 and he had a low he had the almost a 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.440 buzz cut. What's that? Like? What's the call when the 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:51.640 five o'clock shadow on your ball fade? And the headline 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:56.959 it's Chris listen, it's never moved, It's never in forty 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:00.240 seven years. This is a conspiracy right here, Jalen roses him. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.360 That's all that ship. Wow, what blood did you drink 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.640 to get that haircut to stay exactly where it is 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:14.040 in forties seven years. Oh my goodness, I am amazing 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.559 this conspiracy specifically, I think was presented under the guys 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.920 of black men. But do you find that that also 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.240 applies to women, that black women in Hollywood are forced 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:28.600 to sort of consent too bad hair on ourselves, yeah, 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.720 or just you know, white people sort of like wanting 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.560 that look so well, you know, I definitely switch up, 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.280 switch up the wigs depending on what I'm trying to 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.400 go for it. You know, since the girl gets uh 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:46.199 braids or you know, uh color, you know, corporate, corporate 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.520 lady gets gets the wig, you know, the straight relaxed here, 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:54.760 maybe a little fair or falset and fair little uh, 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.920 what's it? A little scandal little carry Washington. That's kind 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.839 of standard the last couple of years. I got you. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.880 So you think the sisters in general are getting a 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.440 little more grace when it comes to their hair, that 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:11.800 they're having more options to choose. I don't know. In Hollywood, 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.040 I mean, I don't know if it's grace. We're all 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.280 also constantly trying to figure out what hairstyle is least 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.440 scary to white people, or or or just the right 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.120 enough black that they're like, Okay, we got a black 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.080 person but not too black that she's gonna call us 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:33.040 on our ship. Right, if you twist that all the 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.120 way to the scout that you're gonna cause some problems, 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.199 it's gonna be tighter or you know what I mean, 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.560 she's not gonna like my jokes and ship, you know, 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:46.280 so that's fair. I think what's fascinating in this conspiracy theory, 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.320 or certainly has so much to explore in this conspiracy theory, 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:56.120 is what the intention of the sort of white Hollywood 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.440 is in controlling black hair. Do you know what I mean? Like, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.120 what what's your goal here? What is what are you 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.520 ultimately trying to achieve in your control of black hair, 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:12.760 well diversity without being too diverse? Mm hmmm without without 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.360 I don't know what's scary to h I mean, there's 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.840 pretty conceived notions about different types of hairstyles. So if 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.840 you got dreads, you're radical, or you smoke weed, or 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.200 you know, if you're natural, maybe you in the front 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.440 of the Black Lives Matter protests or whatever they think, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:35.640 which isn't necessarily true, but in Hollywood don't really move quickly. 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.800 So the same stereotypes they had in the eighties are 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:39.880 the same one they judging us by. Now you know, 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.000 I changed my hair every five seconds, so whoever, who 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.800 am I? But you know, I'm sure you show up 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.920 to work and they're like, that's a new lady girl, 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.120 so fast it was you had a bob yesterday and 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:59.480 it's down to your Black people are amazing black girl magic. Anyway, 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.800 I think you're making a very valid point that so 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.920 much of this is rooted in like antiquated stereotypes, right that, 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.920 like what white people were scared of in nineties six 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:17.800 about black associations and hairstyles is still the exact same 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.760 thing that they're pretty much afraid of today. I feel like, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.440 you know, outside of Hollywood, it's still true that white 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.640 people don't have many encounters with black people, so they 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.760 still everything they believe is still what's on TV or 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.400 what they saw back then, and then I don't think 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.840 they until recently even went out of their way to 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:39.080 see us, So it's just what they happened to see 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.440 in a movie with a black person one time. You know, 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.640 they're not necessarily seeking out black entertainment. Always say that 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.480 this what's happening now with diversity and always having to 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.520 include a black person or one of each and all 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.760 of that, I don't know. Sure, I'm happy for the work, 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.240 but I don't know if that makes better products. And 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.600 it's not realistic because a lot of white people they 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.960 hang out with people that look like them. It's it's yeah, 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.800 I hate when I'm watching a white production and then 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.040 here it comes as black dude, Like yo, what like 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.680 they would never be friends? You know what I mean? 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.200 And you don't have to trick me. You don't have 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.800 to wedge this person in here because you feel bad 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.480 about not casting someone, Like like writing the story with 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.960 a black person in it just right. You write the 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.240 story you know how to write, and hopefully the story 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.720 you know how to write includes black people. But it 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:33.080 shouldn't just be you turn this into a black character 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.520 for a reason. And what would happen in the eighties 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.160 is not eighties. In the nineties with the black guy 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.200 that would show up with the hey what up would 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.400 always have a blacks haircut, would always have a wack haircut. 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:47.360 And I think that's just stuck right, And I think 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.520 part of it is like you can't have the one 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.840 dude show up who's like the best friend and he 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.920 looks sexy and flexy. You tried to show up and 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.760 look like average and something that can fade into the background. 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.160 We don't need this mother. Well. Also, I think just 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.880 from experience, dudes, black dudes, who's walking around with them 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.440 type of head cuts? Grew up around white people. They're 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:14.520 going up, what's the what's supercut? Super cut? Exactly? They 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.280 and you know, letting barb cut here or whatever. I mean, 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:18.920 I've lived in the neighborhoods like that. Wh there's no 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.640 black barbershop where else you're gonna go, you know. So 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:27.320 uh as a as a I've only been a victim once, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.840 but as a former victim of super cuts, I can 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.800 say I can say that it's never going to turn 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.480 out to be the experience you wanted to be. I 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:41.080 wouldn't imagine why you would think that, but you know, 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.200 when you're a boy growing up in the suburbs, you 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.720 get desperate. You start to think, like, I want to 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.480 look good. Maybe this this white lady can help me out. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.160 I've done my kids old school where I just went 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.240 on some YouTube beds and said, let me figure out 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.280 how to cut this ship, because I don't know. I mean, 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.560 at a certain point, my mom was cutting my hair, 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.320 and she wasn't good at it, and YouTube didn't exist, 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.280 so it was like she's just like making some ship 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.080 up and it wasn't helping. And then I thought like, oh, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.080 I'm gonna be a big boy and independent and try 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.960 this on my own. And you know, you you funk up. 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.840 But so did they cut your hair with the scissors? 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:28.320 Of course, that's that's where they start. And then you 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.840 walk out You're like, okay, line me up, and then 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.520 you got bangs. For some reason, it's just you know, 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.880 I feel like that's the writer passage from black people here, 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.120 Like I've definitely sat down in a white woman's chair, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.880 Like actually that just happened to me on sat where 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.240 it's so funny because because of YouTube. This is off topic, 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.560 but because of YouTube, and I appreciate it. You know, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.680 there's the white hair solids are trying to learn about 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.160 black hair more. And this woman was so proud of 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.600 having some edge control gel like she pulled it out, 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.120 Like before she pulled it out, her face was beaming. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:02.560 I was like, what was she about to pull out? 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.720 Because she was like, I'm about to fucking blow this 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.400 chick's mind, like and she pulled out this edge control 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.320 and brush, and she's like, should I do your edges? 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:16.040 And I just she couldn't wait to say that, you know, 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.760 she was up all night and look how nice I am. 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.200 I said, sure, I ain't need a head that ship. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.960 But I was like, you look so excited to crack 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.400 up and it was fresh, not one fingerprinting that ship. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.920 I was the first. She killed it, no meaning when 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.000 she opened the gael, I was obviously the first. She 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.119 hadn't even put her finger in it yet it was 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.959 a fresh move surface. I was the first edges she 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.199 had ever brushed down. She was cracking the seal on 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:46.080 this edge control jel exactly. She was waiting for you 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:50.399 and and to your point, that's very nice that she tried. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:55.640 But whatever. The more wanted alternative is that they left 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.680 black people into the unions for her styling on sets. 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.680 But anyway, so that would be so ideal, I too 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.399 have had some horrifying that stories where it's just like 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.160 you show up and they don't have a black barber, 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.040 and if they do, it's not really a black barber. 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.840 It's just like somebody who qualifies as being able to 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:19.159 do ethnic hair, which doesn't mean anything. It's like you 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.919 know what I mean, goddamn thing, black hair, That's what 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.960 I want. Do you know how to be a nigga 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.320 and a barbershop? Can you cut my hair while you 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.320 tell me about you cheating on your wife? The kind 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.159 of energy I need to get a solid hair, do 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:37.880 you know what I mean? So that brings us back 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:39.800 to our conspiracy and that I think part of the 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.919 reason black dudes with horrible haircuts are more palatable and 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.080 safer to white people is that they know that they're 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:51.000 not experiencing the indoctricate nation or what it is, the 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:56.520 indoctor nation of black barbershops. Who knows what they think 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.080 it's happening in there. Probably they think we in there 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:05.160 getting radical make plans with each other. WHOA wait, I'm 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.840 must Let's take a step back. I really thought about this. 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.000 You might have just you might have just cracked open 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.959 something that I need you to really explore this. This 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.000 brings me to a section of the show that I 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.960 like to call talk that talk, and what you're suggesting 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.320 is groundbreaking in a way that I never expected. So, Janelle, 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.919 I'm gonna give you thirty seconds, thirty seconds to just 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:29.080 break down exactly what you mean about this potential indoctrination 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.960 from the black barbershop. Whenever you're ready, I'm ready. So 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.680 I think black barbershops is one of the few spaces 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:40.200 that white people have not gentrified, and so they don't 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.240 know what the fund is happening in there, and usually 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:46.119 just based on behaviors that and things that are happening 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.119 and have always happened, they for whatever reason, having their 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.919 head that anytime we're left to our own devices, that 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.800 we're plotting against them. So if you're in a barbershop 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.200 with the fresh fade oh and don't have a fresh 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:58.600 line up all the time, I mean you and this 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:04.720 so much who knows what you're there? Are scary, scared 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.600 of the unknown, which is is the basis for a 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:17.280 lot of basing. There is oh man, that okay, compute now, 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.280 okay that oh now you crack something open, because I 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.600 think that's exactly right. I think there's this constant fear 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.480 of what we're doing without them, and so they are 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:32.199 essentially making us get our haircut by white people or 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.400 by sort of like their insiders, so that they can 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:39.480 avoid the risk that we're constantly treading in this space 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:43.200 that they're afraid to enter. On their own, and then 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.440 there's a constant risk that maybe if I'm alone with 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.919 my barber, I'm gonna be planning some sort of like 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:56.960 terrorist attack against the the white community who by a 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:00.640 dude who has bad opinions about like women and Lebron 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.960 Like I don't. It doesn't have to be all that well, 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.640 you know, I found that white people think we think 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:09.119 about their way more than we do, So that's what 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:13.159 I think is happening. Uh, honestly, this changed everything for 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.520 me and I I've got more reading to do because 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.760 this is powerful. All Right, We're gonna take a break 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:21.879 and then we're gonna be back with more Janelle James 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:43.560 and more, my mama told me. And we are bad anyway. Yeah, 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.399 We're back here with more Janelle James and more. My 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.240 mama told me. We're still talking about those trash gass 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:54.119 hairlines that Hollywood approves and allows people to excel in 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.920 their careers based on the fucked up linings that they 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.760 put out in the world. Do you think this extends 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.720 beyond Hollywood? Do you think that this goes into other 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:08.920 spaces of six? Yeah, I mean every big purchase I've 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:10.960 ever made that was from a black man was with 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:17.240 a dude with a hairline. My car, my house is 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:20.560 always a guy, come on back, got the papers for you? 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.400 That those only people that they let get the papers, 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:28.359 you know what I mean? So I ain't never bought 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:32.400 nothing expensive from a sharp airline, right. I started thinking 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:37.040 about it in terms of like politicians, right, even beyond politics, 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:41.120 like he sort of like massive figures in history, Barack 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:45.679 Obama not that great of a hairline, Martin Luther King Jr. 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:49.520 Ain't nobody talking about that faith Nelson Mandela? Do you 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:51.920 think they would let him be Nelson Mandela if he 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.240 didn't have that slick back afro? Do you you know what 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:58.360 I mean? Like I will say stuff. I will say 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:01.600 Barack just like his of takes really walk the line 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.119 of his hairline, Like he has a hairline, but he 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.520 ain't too sharp, you know what. He's laughing to laugh 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:11.840 like that's his that's his play. That's exactly right. And 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.440 we're not gonna you know that, we're not gonna roast him. 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:19.320 But then white people are like, Okay, well it's fuzzy, 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.720 it's funny. Sometimes he was like, hey, line me up, 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:26.480 but don't you hit them corners there? Hit them corners. 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:32.000 You leave them corners, so exactly, I can't afford for 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:34.880 these motherfucker's to get uncomfortable with my corners. I feel 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:36.600 like that's how he lives life right in the middle, 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:48.800 right middle real by Raciel oh Man. That hurts my feelings. 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.640 I have some research that I love to unpack with you, 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.480 because I do think that there's a lot of legitimacy 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:00.639 to this conspiracy theory. One of the things that I found, 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:04.280 one of the as we were measuring success, I guess 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:07.639 the easiest sort of like a measure of success or 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:10.720 clearest measure of success, was to go to the Forbes 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:14.880 list of billionaires, right, And of the two thousand, one 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:18.560 hundred and fifty three people listed on the Forbes list 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:24.080 of billionaires last year, that's saying that, no, you're right, 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.960