1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: I want to love seeing goddamn right, who doesn't want 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: to make out on TV? It's pretty cool. I mean, 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: while titty is still up in the end, you know, right, 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: let me make out while my titties are fresh. They're 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: gonna soil eventually. I'd like it on wax as evidence 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: so I could show my kids later. You see them 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: titties like I wouldn't said back in the day. I 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: know you don't like talking about your mama's titties, but 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you. I need you to see him 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: just so you respect me. Goddamn it, boys, gather round 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: something to share with you. Everyone around the fireplace. I 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: have a big announcement that your daddy ever tell you 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: about this? Why chips racist? She's turning stuff I can't 14 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: tell me. Yeah, there it is. There it is, Ladies 15 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, here we are welcome to another phenomenal, devastating, 16 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: thick booty episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast 17 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: where we dive deep into the pockets of black conspiracy 18 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: theories and we finally start that go fund me to 19 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: recollect iced teas Ponytail. The man ain't been the same 20 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: since they took his ponytail from him. We got to 21 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: get that ponytail back by all means, by any coast, 22 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: we will get iced tea back his ponytail. I am 23 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: your host, lakes Nick Herman. I am excited to be here. 24 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: It is hot in my house. I ain't wearing no sleeves. 25 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: We're getting it popping today. And my guest today apparently 26 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: she's not wearing no shirt, which is very exciting for 27 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: everyone involved. It's an audio podcast, but now you get 28 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: to use your imagination, which is very fun. She's hilarious. 29 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: She's just so fucking funny. You know from Netflix, you 30 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: know from Black Monday. She's just hilarious. I'm a big fan. 31 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Give it up from my guest today, Miss Janelle James. 32 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I haven't felt applause and so long again 33 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: one more time. I got It's nice, right, Yeah, you 34 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: haven't done any of the you know, the outdoor shows. 35 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: You haven't gone and ventured out. Two days ago it 36 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: was my first one with Chelsea Handler. But it was 37 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: such ah, it was such a huge ordeal and uh 38 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: that I'm not sure. I'm still trying to figure out 39 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: if I enjoyed it or not. It was so stressful. 40 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: First show in five months. That weird thing of like 41 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: you're not comfortable doing your art the way that you 42 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: used to do your art. Tacked on top of the 43 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: fact that like you're putting couzies on top of your 44 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: microphone from spreading germs, it's all very well, that's not 45 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: even half of it. It was a shoot, not just 46 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: a show. So it's a sad rules and it is 47 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: intense so to you know, sanitize and audience and mask 48 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: and isolation, and it's just like, yo, is this fun? 49 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: Just worth it? Yeah? I mean I got paid. I 50 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: was like, I had told myself I wasn't gonna come 51 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: venture out unless it's for a good amount of money. 52 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: So they got me on that. But then I was 53 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: just like, yo, this is this is crazy. I don't 54 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: know if the money Now I'm like, I don't know 55 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: if the money was right. It was so much, it 56 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: was so much to deal with. So yeah, I feel 57 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: like after a certain point of success, we're all asking ourselves, like, 58 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I had planned on hitting there so quickly, 59 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: you know. So I once did a commercial where I 60 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: dressed up like a giant piece of checks mix, and uh, 61 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: I hit that prettier only in my career. I remember that. 62 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: It's not a fond memory. I'm not brand commercial. Uh nope. 63 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: Oh well okay. And it was the internet. It was 64 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: like weird no websites only no, no, not even in 65 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: residual checks to take the edge off your regret to 66 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: be a whore. You know, we all do. The point 67 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: is we all make choices exactly. Well, I'm really excited 68 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 1: you're here today because you came with a conspiracy theory 69 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: that has been very near and dear to my heart 70 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: for quite a while. And after some deliberating, we deliberated 71 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: a little bit, but you can. I want to make 72 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: sure we get this correct. You said. My mama told 73 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: me black men with bad haircuts are perceived as safer 74 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: in the eyes of white America. Is it a conspiracy 75 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: if it's true. Yeah, but that's what they say. I've 76 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: heard it before, and I love that you picked it. 77 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: Tell me where this comes from for you, well, my 78 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: mama first, but also I think it perpetuates through Hollywood. 79 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: Anytime the good guy steps on the scene, that hairline 80 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: is is all the way funked up, you know what 81 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean. And so I think it's so almost anti 82 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: black to be walking around with your head oh messed up. 83 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: That It's like you gotta be working on the other side, 84 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or trying to not working 85 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: on the other side, but trying to present yourself is 86 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: differently then, right, So you're saying that to some extent, 87 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: this is like the men or the people involved in 88 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: this consenting to a shitty hairline for the sake of 89 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: like getting in good with Hollywood. It started as a 90 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: conspiracy and people are now using it, you know what 91 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: I mean, just my just my theory. I listen, there's 92 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: no reason in the run from this. Let's dig deep 93 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: and we all code switch. Some people here line switch, 94 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You're trying to get trying 95 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: to get exactly Exam James. Her voice on the phone 96 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: calls some of y'all tell your barber a, don't touch that. 97 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get up to the VP spot. You know. 98 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: So I got my I love that. Wait, your mother 99 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: has this opinion, she shares this conspiracy theory. Now I 100 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: was lying. I was just trying to go with just 101 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: playing along. Good. Yeah, my mother, I'm from the Island, 102 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: so we I don't know what our conspiracy theory. We 103 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: just have a lot of sayings that are rooted in 104 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: religion bullshit that I can Yeah, but this one is 105 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: I picked because I've definitely no, it's a thing. Sure, 106 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: let's start digging into examples, because I do feel like 107 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: even for our white listeners, we have to imagine that 108 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: some of them are even confused about what a good 109 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: hairline is. Do you know what I mean? Like, I 110 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: can't imagine that that half the time they even know 111 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: when a black man has us. I would say, look 112 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: at any recent upgrade on the NBA. You know it's 113 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: an NBA that was looking a little different than they 114 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: were a couple of years ago. That's the new version 115 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: is the good hairline. That's that's Look at you trying 116 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: to keep your money by not saying Lebron James, I 117 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: was very professional of you. You're like, I have to 118 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: dress as a Graham packer next to him in a 119 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: commercial coming up. You don't know, you don't know he 120 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: sometimes you know, might right be a check I'm gonna be, 121 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: but you never know. When the individuals crossover into a 122 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: comedic comedy or whatever, they always crossed the no. But 123 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: I might have to meet this dude one day, you 124 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: never know. But yeah, an Janelle James jam too. Oh 125 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: my god, I wish anyway, don't we all? But I 126 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: totally agree. I think that to some extent, Uh, there 127 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: was a celebration of a lot of NBA or sort 128 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: of big celebrity figures at the point that their hair 129 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: looked shitty or is continuing to look shitty. Complicated, We'll sure. Yeah, 130 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, white people want to know 131 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: what we're trying to achieve here as far as perfection, 132 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: look to the ones that were paid for right there 133 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: you go that look okay, look there, Well that's okay. 134 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: Now you're explaining something. So so a old lebron is 135 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: what we're fighting again, current lebron is what we are 136 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: trying to achieve. I've said it. I've said it a 137 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: few times in other places, but I genuinely believe that 138 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: Jalen Rose made a deal with the devil to have 139 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: the hairline that he has. It is magnificent. This dude up. 140 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: Oh you don't know Jalen Rose. No, I'm not a 141 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: big forceman ever exists. He's more famous for being an 142 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: Indiana pacer and then getting uh, well he wasn't a 143 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: pacer at the time, but he took eighty one points 144 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: from Kobe. Kobe scored eighty one points on the man 145 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: and now he's a commentator. And this is an example 146 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: of a great heirline. It's what you're saying is fantastic. Oh. 147 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, what do you okay? I 148 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: thought you were saying the opposite. I'm like, well, ship, 149 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: what's the good one? If this is awful? This, yeah, 150 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: this is pretty fucking perfect. It's the perfect airline. And 151 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: I have to believe that he did something. He murdered 152 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: an orphan to get it. Oh he forty seven with 153 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: this strong ass headline something going on? Uh something at 154 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at a picture of his younger self 155 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: and he had a low he had the almost a 156 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: buzz cut. What's that? Like? What's the call when the 157 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: five o'clock shadow on your ball fade? And the headline 158 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: it's Chris listen, it's never moved, It's never in forty 159 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: seven years. This is a conspiracy right here, Jalen roses him. 160 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: That's all that ship. Wow, what blood did you drink 161 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: to get that haircut to stay exactly where it is 162 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: in forties seven years. Oh my goodness, I am amazing 163 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: this conspiracy specifically, I think was presented under the guys 164 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: of black men. But do you find that that also 165 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: applies to women, that black women in Hollywood are forced 166 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: to sort of consent too bad hair on ourselves, yeah, 167 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: or just you know, white people sort of like wanting 168 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: that look so well, you know, I definitely switch up, 169 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: switch up the wigs depending on what I'm trying to 170 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: go for it. You know, since the girl gets uh 171 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: braids or you know, uh color, you know, corporate, corporate 172 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: lady gets gets the wig, you know, the straight relaxed here, 173 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: maybe a little fair or falset and fair little uh, 174 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: what's it? A little scandal little carry Washington. That's kind 175 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: of standard the last couple of years. I got you. 176 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: So you think the sisters in general are getting a 177 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: little more grace when it comes to their hair, that 178 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: they're having more options to choose. I don't know. In Hollywood, 179 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it's grace. We're all 180 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: also constantly trying to figure out what hairstyle is least 181 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: scary to white people, or or or just the right 182 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: enough black that they're like, Okay, we got a black 183 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: person but not too black that she's gonna call us 184 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: on our ship. Right, if you twist that all the 185 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: way to the scout that you're gonna cause some problems, 186 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tighter or you know what I mean, 187 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: she's not gonna like my jokes and ship, you know, 188 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: so that's fair. I think what's fascinating in this conspiracy theory, 189 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: or certainly has so much to explore in this conspiracy theory, 190 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: is what the intention of the sort of white Hollywood 191 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: is in controlling black hair. Do you know what I mean? Like, 192 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: what what's your goal here? What is what are you 193 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: ultimately trying to achieve in your control of black hair, 194 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: well diversity without being too diverse? Mm hmmm without without 195 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what's scary to h I mean, there's 196 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: pretty conceived notions about different types of hairstyles. So if 197 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: you got dreads, you're radical, or you smoke weed, or 198 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you're natural, maybe you in the front 199 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: of the Black Lives Matter protests or whatever they think, 200 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: which isn't necessarily true, but in Hollywood don't really move quickly. 201 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: So the same stereotypes they had in the eighties are 202 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: the same one they judging us by. Now you know, 203 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: I changed my hair every five seconds, so whoever, who 204 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: am I? But you know, I'm sure you show up 205 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: to work and they're like, that's a new lady girl, 206 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: so fast it was you had a bob yesterday and 207 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: it's down to your Black people are amazing black girl magic. Anyway, 208 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: I think you're making a very valid point that so 209 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: much of this is rooted in like antiquated stereotypes, right that, 210 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: like what white people were scared of in nineties six 211 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: about black associations and hairstyles is still the exact same 212 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: thing that they're pretty much afraid of today. I feel like, 213 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, outside of Hollywood, it's still true that white 214 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: people don't have many encounters with black people, so they 215 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: still everything they believe is still what's on TV or 216 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: what they saw back then, and then I don't think 217 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: they until recently even went out of their way to 218 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: see us, So it's just what they happened to see 219 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: in a movie with a black person one time. You know, 220 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: they're not necessarily seeking out black entertainment. Always say that 221 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: this what's happening now with diversity and always having to 222 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: include a black person or one of each and all 223 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: of that, I don't know. Sure, I'm happy for the work, 224 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: but I don't know if that makes better products. And 225 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: it's not realistic because a lot of white people they 226 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: hang out with people that look like them. It's it's yeah, 227 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: I hate when I'm watching a white production and then 228 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: here it comes as black dude, Like yo, what like 229 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: they would never be friends? You know what I mean? 230 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: And you don't have to trick me. You don't have 231 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: to wedge this person in here because you feel bad 232 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: about not casting someone, Like like writing the story with 233 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: a black person in it just right. You write the 234 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: story you know how to write, and hopefully the story 235 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: you know how to write includes black people. But it 236 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: shouldn't just be you turn this into a black character 237 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: for a reason. And what would happen in the eighties 238 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: is not eighties. In the nineties with the black guy 239 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: that would show up with the hey what up would 240 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: always have a blacks haircut, would always have a wack haircut. 241 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: And I think that's just stuck right, And I think 242 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: part of it is like you can't have the one 243 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: dude show up who's like the best friend and he 244 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: looks sexy and flexy. You tried to show up and 245 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: look like average and something that can fade into the background. 246 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: We don't need this mother. Well. Also, I think just 247 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: from experience, dudes, black dudes, who's walking around with them 248 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: type of head cuts? Grew up around white people. They're 249 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: going up, what's the what's supercut? Super cut? Exactly? They 250 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: and you know, letting barb cut here or whatever. I mean, 251 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: I've lived in the neighborhoods like that. Wh there's no 252 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: black barbershop where else you're gonna go, you know. So 253 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: uh as a as a I've only been a victim once, 254 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: but as a former victim of super cuts, I can 255 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: say I can say that it's never going to turn 256 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: out to be the experience you wanted to be. I 257 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't imagine why you would think that, but you know, 258 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: when you're a boy growing up in the suburbs, you 259 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: get desperate. You start to think, like, I want to 260 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: look good. Maybe this this white lady can help me out. 261 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: I've done my kids old school where I just went 262 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: on some YouTube beds and said, let me figure out 263 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: how to cut this ship, because I don't know. I mean, 264 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: at a certain point, my mom was cutting my hair, 265 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: and she wasn't good at it, and YouTube didn't exist, 266 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: so it was like she's just like making some ship 267 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: up and it wasn't helping. And then I thought like, oh, 268 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a big boy and independent and try 269 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: this on my own. And you know, you you funk up. 270 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: But so did they cut your hair with the scissors? 271 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: Of course, that's that's where they start. And then you 272 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: walk out You're like, okay, line me up, and then 273 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: you got bangs. For some reason, it's just you know, 274 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: I feel like that's the writer passage from black people here, 275 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: Like I've definitely sat down in a white woman's chair, 276 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: Like actually that just happened to me on sat where 277 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: it's so funny because because of YouTube. This is off topic, 278 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: but because of YouTube, and I appreciate it. You know, 279 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: there's the white hair solids are trying to learn about 280 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: black hair more. And this woman was so proud of 281 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: having some edge control gel like she pulled it out, 282 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: Like before she pulled it out, her face was beaming. 283 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: I was like, what was she about to pull out? 284 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: Because she was like, I'm about to fucking blow this 285 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: chick's mind, like and she pulled out this edge control 286 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: and brush, and she's like, should I do your edges? 287 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: And I just she couldn't wait to say that, you know, 288 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: she was up all night and look how nice I am. 289 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: I said, sure, I ain't need a head that ship. 290 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: But I was like, you look so excited to crack 291 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: up and it was fresh, not one fingerprinting that ship. 292 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: I was the first. She killed it, no meaning when 293 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: she opened the gael, I was obviously the first. She 294 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: hadn't even put her finger in it yet it was 295 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: a fresh move surface. I was the first edges she 296 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: had ever brushed down. She was cracking the seal on 297 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: this edge control jel exactly. She was waiting for you 298 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: and and to your point, that's very nice that she tried. 299 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: But whatever. The more wanted alternative is that they left 300 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: black people into the unions for her styling on sets. 301 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: But anyway, so that would be so ideal, I too 302 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: have had some horrifying that stories where it's just like 303 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: you show up and they don't have a black barber, 304 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: and if they do, it's not really a black barber. 305 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: It's just like somebody who qualifies as being able to 306 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: do ethnic hair, which doesn't mean anything. It's like you 307 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: know what I mean, goddamn thing, black hair, That's what 308 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: I want. Do you know how to be a nigga 309 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: and a barbershop? Can you cut my hair while you 310 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: tell me about you cheating on your wife? The kind 311 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: of energy I need to get a solid hair, do 312 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So that brings us back 313 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: to our conspiracy and that I think part of the 314 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: reason black dudes with horrible haircuts are more palatable and 315 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: safer to white people is that they know that they're 316 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: not experiencing the indoctricate nation or what it is, the 317 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: indoctor nation of black barbershops. Who knows what they think 318 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: it's happening in there. Probably they think we in there 319 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: getting radical make plans with each other. WHOA wait, I'm 320 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: must Let's take a step back. I really thought about this. 321 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: You might have just you might have just cracked open 322 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: something that I need you to really explore this. This 323 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: brings me to a section of the show that I 324 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: like to call talk that talk, and what you're suggesting 325 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: is groundbreaking in a way that I never expected. So, Janelle, 326 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you thirty seconds, thirty seconds to just 327 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: break down exactly what you mean about this potential indoctrination 328 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: from the black barbershop. Whenever you're ready, I'm ready. So 329 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: I think black barbershops is one of the few spaces 330 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: that white people have not gentrified, and so they don't 331 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: know what the fund is happening in there, and usually 332 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: just based on behaviors that and things that are happening 333 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: and have always happened, they for whatever reason, having their 334 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: head that anytime we're left to our own devices, that 335 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: we're plotting against them. So if you're in a barbershop 336 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: with the fresh fade oh and don't have a fresh 337 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: line up all the time, I mean you and this 338 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: so much who knows what you're there? Are scary, scared 339 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: of the unknown, which is is the basis for a 340 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: lot of basing. There is oh man, that okay, compute now, 341 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: okay that oh now you crack something open, because I 342 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: think that's exactly right. I think there's this constant fear 343 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: of what we're doing without them, and so they are 344 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: essentially making us get our haircut by white people or 345 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: by sort of like their insiders, so that they can 346 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: avoid the risk that we're constantly treading in this space 347 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: that they're afraid to enter. On their own, and then 348 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: there's a constant risk that maybe if I'm alone with 349 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: my barber, I'm gonna be planning some sort of like 350 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: terrorist attack against the the white community who by a 351 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: dude who has bad opinions about like women and Lebron 352 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: Like I don't. It doesn't have to be all that well, 353 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, I found that white people think we think 354 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: about their way more than we do, So that's what 355 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: I think is happening. Uh, honestly, this changed everything for 356 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: me and I I've got more reading to do because 357 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: this is powerful. All Right, We're gonna take a break 358 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna be back with more Janelle James 359 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: and more, my mama told me. And we are bad anyway. Yeah, 360 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: We're back here with more Janelle James and more. My 361 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: mama told me. We're still talking about those trash gass 362 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: hairlines that Hollywood approves and allows people to excel in 363 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: their careers based on the fucked up linings that they 364 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: put out in the world. Do you think this extends 365 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: beyond Hollywood? Do you think that this goes into other 366 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: spaces of six? Yeah, I mean every big purchase I've 367 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: ever made that was from a black man was with 368 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: a dude with a hairline. My car, my house is 369 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: always a guy, come on back, got the papers for you? 370 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: That those only people that they let get the papers, 371 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I ain't never bought 372 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: nothing expensive from a sharp airline, right. I started thinking 373 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: about it in terms of like politicians, right, even beyond politics, 374 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: like he sort of like massive figures in history, Barack 375 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: Obama not that great of a hairline, Martin Luther King Jr. 376 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: Ain't nobody talking about that faith Nelson Mandela? Do you 377 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: think they would let him be Nelson Mandela if he 378 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: didn't have that slick back afro? Do you you know what 379 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: I mean? Like I will say stuff. I will say 380 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: Barack just like his of takes really walk the line 381 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: of his hairline, Like he has a hairline, but he 382 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: ain't too sharp, you know what. He's laughing to laugh 383 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: like that's his that's his play. That's exactly right. And 384 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: we're not gonna you know that, we're not gonna roast him. 385 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: But then white people are like, Okay, well it's fuzzy, 386 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: it's funny. Sometimes he was like, hey, line me up, 387 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: but don't you hit them corners there? Hit them corners. 388 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: You leave them corners, so exactly, I can't afford for 389 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: these motherfucker's to get uncomfortable with my corners. I feel 390 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: like that's how he lives life right in the middle, 391 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: right middle real by Raciel oh Man. That hurts my feelings. 392 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: I have some research that I love to unpack with you, 393 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: because I do think that there's a lot of legitimacy 394 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: to this conspiracy theory. One of the things that I found, 395 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: one of the as we were measuring success, I guess 396 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: the easiest sort of like a measure of success or 397 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: clearest measure of success, was to go to the Forbes 398 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: list of billionaires, right, And of the two thousand, one 399 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three people listed on the Forbes list 400 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: of billionaires last year, that's saying that, no, you're right, 401 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: hundred people are billionaires. That doesn't even make sense. But 402 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: go ahead. So I'm sorry, and we're out here starving 403 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: and freezing, and by we, I mean y'all. I'm fine. 404 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: But the point is, oh, it's coming for us. It 405 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: is I'm not I'm not far enough into any game 406 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: to get to be exactly from this exactly, But so 407 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: of the people, thirteen of them are black in the world. 408 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: Of those thirteen, that's another I'm surprised. Oh, it's more 409 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: than you expect, more than I thought. I wouldn't even 410 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: think they would let that many of us get there, 411 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, they let thirteens slip through. And of 412 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: those thirteen, all thirteen of them are black men with 413 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: trash hairlines or that's the that's the breakdown. I think 414 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: there's another lady in there, but that's not the way 415 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: the bits go. And every single one of them, I'll 416 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: read you something. Some of them are concrete tycoons and 417 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's and uh yeah, I'm looking now, these are dudes. 418 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: They just put on the number five guard and go 419 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: straight back. Just run this through. I'm gonna just run 420 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: this through like a comb just straight back. Hey man, 421 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: hit me with that lawnmower and keep it moving. Time 422 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: I have to go shut down an orphanage room. Take 423 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: the perimeter, just take it down to take the shrubbery. 424 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: You know, I think to your point, there's not a 425 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: lot of evidence of like a dude at the highest 426 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: level of at least certainly like financial success. Right that 427 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: looks like he goes to a black barbershop. I'm telling you, 428 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: it's all around the barbershop. These dudes are not known. 429 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: I mean, you're a billionaire. First of all, you have 430 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: your own barber, but this you ain't in the shop 431 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: getting indoctuated, being around other brothers. You're already a billionaire, 432 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: so you're already a black billionaire. So you're already isolated. 433 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: So your only careers of other white people, you know 434 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. You can't be in there with the 435 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: waves and a wave cap, like get out of here. 436 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: And at that point, who are you doing it for? Right? Like, if, 437 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: like you said, if my peers are all white people 438 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: who gives the fun straight hair line, they can't tell 439 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: the difference. Now, I will say I was surprised that 440 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: jay Z went locks after billionaire. That's almost like a 441 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: little fuck you if you think about it. I mean, 442 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: jay Z wasn't known for his hair to begin with. 443 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: True that, true that, But he's gone like in a 444 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: real wacky way right now that you know I was 445 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: surprised about. I almost jay Z is a fascinating one though, 446 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: because I do you think he's almost playing both sides right, 447 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: because you see this dude who now, like you said, 448 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: he sort of has like this afro lock sort of 449 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: look now, which makes him very like connected to Africa 450 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: and blackness and all this other stuff, while simultaneously having 451 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: a hairstyle that you see on like Cheerios commercials, do 452 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like they put like a 453 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: curly haired black man in the Cheerios commercial and make him, 454 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 1: uh say, how yummy honey is on his oaks? And 455 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: I knew jay Z crossed over when he I saw 456 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: footage of him. I think it was he was at 457 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: a basketball game with Beyonce and the story was about 458 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: how they must have had an argument because Beyonce had 459 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: a bad look on her face or something. But what 460 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: I noticed was at one point, jay Z spots another 461 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: I can only assume super rich friend across the way, 462 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: and he waved at them in his hands straight out 463 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: and just did the fingers. That's that's I was like, 464 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: that's not Brooklyn, Blyn, Jason. Jay Z is waving like 465 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: to the lou Yes, a real fucking Samantha asked, wiggle 466 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: figure a real see you at the tennis courts tomorrow 467 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: type wave, and I was like, oh, they got him. 468 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: So so that's what makes the hair confusing because he 469 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: is definitely playing both sides. I mean, I don't think 470 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: he I think jay Z is a smart enough dude 471 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: to be aware that life. All right. I can't be 472 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: a trash hairline guy, but I can be sort of 473 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: like this weird acartistic going in. I collect paintings now technia. Yeah, 474 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: I get it, yep, I love this. And there's so 475 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: many other great examples of people who have reached sort 476 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: of like a weird peak with like terrible hairlines. Tiger 477 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: Woods is a great example. But he did he have 478 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: a claim us. I don't think that Tiger ever said 479 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: he was what me had a black daddy. It's hard 480 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: not to that was his best friend. I don't think 481 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: that he wanted to, but right, I mean, I ain't 482 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: pushing black on nobody don't want it. So that's why 483 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: you ain't you only trying to say, be proud about it, 484 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: that I don't want you. But I just don't remember 485 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: him ever saying that he's black. So he had a 486 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: headline fall like it. That's fair. I'm gonna read you 487 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: a quote claim him. You're not with me no more time. 488 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm not gay, no more Tiger? You something else? Right, 489 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: He's his own category, which is fine. So this has 490 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: been an ongoing issue, so much so that in Hollywood 491 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: Reporter wrote an article called Hollywood's black hair problem on 492 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: set We've all cried in our trailers, which basically chronicles 493 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: like sort of and it's primarily women, but it chronicles 494 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: the exactly what you were talking about, Yes, black women 495 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: sort of being cast and then not having hairstylists on 496 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 1: the other side to show up already done exactly, And 497 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that people say. In the article, 498 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: Natasha Rothwell talks a lot about how she has to 499 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: wake up an hour early from the time she would 500 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: have normally woke up just so she could do her hair, 501 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: show up on set and not let them like do 502 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: something way worse to it. Again, off topic, because this 503 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: is about male hellines, but this also goes to white 504 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: people not being around us. They don't even know what 505 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: our hair is supposed to look like. You know what 506 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I've purposely showed up on set looking fucked, 507 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: Like if I walked into a black room, y'all would 508 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: be like, what the fun I've purposely gone on set 509 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: and being like, no, I'm good and have the hair 510 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: stylist look at me and like you look great, Like 511 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: they have no idea. Yeah, they're like, okay, I have 512 00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: to be like, no, I'm joking. I just woke up. 513 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: Then they're like, oh, because they just don't know. Oh 514 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: thank god, I hated what I saw, but I didn't know. Yeah, 515 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: not even that they hated that. They just don't know. Yeah, 516 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: they just don't know. I don't like the Oh, if 517 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: you don't have any black friends, you not that, because 518 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: there's many places in America where you can walk around 519 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: for days and not see one of us, you know 520 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: what I mean. So, but once you get up into 521 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: Hollywood and you and we're on set, these are things 522 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: we have to even have someone who knows for they 523 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: have to be trained. They're not training them to do 524 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: our hair, which means that this is an industry that 525 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: was set up with no thought of us ever being 526 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: in it, right, you know, I think that's exactly right. 527 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: And this is where it gets even more fascinating for me, 528 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: is that this conversation extends well beyond the industry, right that, Like, 529 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: there's so many different examples of sort of this war 530 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: on black hair in other spaces. For example, a student 531 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: is sent home from Christ the King Elementary School in Terrytown, Louisiana, 532 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: because she's wearing box braids. They basically just decide box 533 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: braids are wrong. For a different time in two thousand 534 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: and eighteen, where a six year old a six year 535 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: old is sent home band from school because he has locks, 536 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: and the principal like justifies this as being a rule 537 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: that's been in the schools like doctrine since nineteen seventy one, 538 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: and he's like, dude, I'm the first black person hit right, right, 539 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: I never it's a racial band. You're just asking it 540 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: under a protective hairstyle, right. And this is also again, 541 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: this is fair of the unknown. They don't know what 542 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: these hairstyles means. It makes them uncomfortable. It's not they're 543 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: not around it. They don't. It's too different, it's too black, 544 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: and it reminds them that we exists. Basically, yes, and 545 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: to your earlier point, nineteen seventy one was when you 546 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: established this rule, because you're basing it off of fears 547 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: that existed in nine seven exactly, like, we're not even 548 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: afraid of the same ship that we were afrash in 549 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one. We were afraid that Russians were gonna 550 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: knuke us through like weird satellites in the sky. Now 551 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: we know they're gonna knoke us through like elections, elections 552 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: and weird emails and Facebook messages, and it's a completely 553 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: different world. And they're more of a poisoning kind of 554 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: people rather than nukes. And now we're finding out, you know, 555 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: that's their thing. We would see the bombs they do. 556 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: They're more poison people, you know, correct yourself, yeah, update, 557 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: But talking about I mean, this is also entertainment industry. 558 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: But I feel like the patron saint of safe hairstyles. 559 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: It's Bill Cosby, Bill Tosby and every dude that he 560 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: had on that show. Yes, Elvin, Elvin's thirty campus, trash 561 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: that hitcut, the dude in the military, Denise's husband, trash 562 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: like that never had a sweet line up on them. 563 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: If anyone of them girls showed up with a do 564 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: rag nigga and lost his mind, yeah, I think that's 565 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: now you're talking. Now you're really talking. Because THEO was 566 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: about to go on a date wearing a Gordon Guard 567 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: trail and had a trash lineup. He wouldn't even let 568 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: thee have a real flat top it was like it 569 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: was an afro that he panted into a flat. Uh, 570 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: he shaped into a flat And I think Cosby knew 571 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: the whole time. Cosby was the king of of sort 572 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: of like respectability politics, and that man knew that if 573 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: he had THEO looking too much like Jalen Rose, THEO 574 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: was not an endearing character to his white audience exactly 575 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: that it would have It would have been a special episode. 576 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: THEO gets a line UPO gets a lineup and gets 577 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: kicked out of the family. He like, you've been over 578 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: to Flatbush. You know who cut your hair? Was like 579 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: in a Clinton Hill or something, right, Yeah, he was 580 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: like Brooklyn Heights. So that that episode, THEO went across 581 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: the tracks, Tosh or whatever. It got a haircut, and 582 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: now the whole family got to do a dance to 583 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: convince him to come back. THEO took the two train 584 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: too far, and now we don't know if we s anymore, right, 585 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: all right? So in two thousand nineteen, and this is interesting, 586 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: Corey Booker into another trash hairline. Uh. Corey Booker introduced 587 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: the Crown Act, which is an act meant to protect 588 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: against discrimination based on hair, specifically for black people with 589 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,919 Speaker 1: tightly coiled or protective styles. Uh, And it's only been 590 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: accepted since two thousand nineteen in three states California, New York, 591 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: and New Jersey. Everybody else can still fire you or 592 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: keep you from a school based on your hair if 593 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: they want to. And let me tell you that this 594 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: was a conscious choice. But this is why comedy has 595 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: been such a relief for me, because I've had corporate 596 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: jobs and worked in offices, and I just cannot see 597 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: me as myself as an adult, having other adults telling 598 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,439 Speaker 1: me what to do with my head. It's just it's 599 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: so demeaning. It's so demeaning, it's so Uh. You take 600 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,479 Speaker 1: people's humanity, like become be this other thing in order 601 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: to earn money for the job that you're doing. Right, 602 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: take And I think that's such an important point because 603 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: I think at the essence of what we're talking about 604 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: is an ability to take away someone's confidence, right, the 605 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 1: thing that makes them feel most themselves. Oftentimes we look 606 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: exactly and so I do think to your earlier point, 607 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: this is like an intentional want to damage our confidence 608 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: and keep us in this place of emotional disarray force assimilation. Yeah, 609 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: so either you look a little ashy, you look a 610 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: little bummy, or you look your best, but you're not 611 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: welcome in you know, whatever country. And also your best 612 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: intimidates me. I don't like you looking better than me. Yeah, 613 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: we'll look better than a black man shined up, flinging charm. 614 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: He's spinning your wife out at the company picnic and 615 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: ship she giggling. Nobody wants that. Have come in here 616 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: with this fun up line up and stop intimidating me. 617 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: That's why I'm scared to put in the James bond. 618 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: Come on, who do you want to follow him? They 619 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: because they know that white tuxedo that's gonna look better 620 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: on that chocolate skin than anybody. But Idris gets bond, 621 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: his love interest is gonna be the blackest bitch on 622 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: the planet. It's they will never let him. It just 623 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: blows up the whole, just the whole theory that this 624 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: is like the best thing if you make him bonded, 625 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: so you have to keep him sort of, you know, 626 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: they need him be loother. It's also it's him with 627 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: a trans hairline. That's the only difference. I mean, he 628 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: pulls it off. But anyway, all right, put your loins away, 629 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: let's focus on the argument here we over there, let's 630 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 1: forgot I ain't got no shirt on, and I forgot 631 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: I bumped up on the table for a menu and 632 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: got excited. My bad um. But in his British luthor, yeah, 633 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: all his love interests are white women. I don't know 634 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: if you know that, and his sidekicks are black women. 635 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying if they did a bond that was a 636 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: US based production, they would not let him have a 637 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: white love interest. I don't It wouldn't be alec wet 638 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: or something like that you would have to have because 639 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 1: part of it is again where the theory being that 640 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: certain white people are still afraid of old uh stereotypes. 641 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: The black buck that's coming to still your woman really 642 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: does play into that. So right, my guesses is that 643 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: if they make him the bond that he deserves to be, 644 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: they're probably going to give him like some vaguely ethnically 645 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: like sort of ambiguous woman, give him like a Preanka 646 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: Chopra what I mean, and let that be his love 647 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: interest that doesn't offend them as much as black women do. 648 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, the idea of black women having sex 649 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 1: consensually is very upsetting to Hollywood. That's a whole other bagga. Yeah, yeah, 650 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: it gets sad at the end. I get that. All right, 651 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna take another break and we'll be back with 652 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: more Janelle James and more of My mama told me 653 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: we are back. I got bron guidance. Ain't nobody got 654 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: time for that. We're back here with more. My mama 655 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: told me more Janelle James. We have I think fully 656 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: unpacked the possibility that this is all rooted in a 657 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: fear of the black barbershop and really a fear of 658 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: black revolution that they, the white people, think is coming 659 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: out of the black barbershop. It's all scary and exciting. 660 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: I love where we're headed. And you know, jokes on 661 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: them because those heirlines, I mean, I feel like that's 662 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: some undercover spoship. Okay, okay, I like where this is going. 663 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: Tell me more. So you trust in the fun up headlines, 664 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: but they know what they're doing to get up in 665 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: your spaces. Yeah, you you fucked up my airline, but 666 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: you didn't take my mind from me. Still connected to 667 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: a comm I'm still working with a people. So yeah, okay, 668 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: that's right. You made my hairline look like sharp teeth. 669 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: But guess what, motherfucker. I'm gonna go report back everything 670 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: I've learned on set or in this community or in 671 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: this boardroom channel Barbershop Network. We gonna get you, motherfucker. 672 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god. All right, let's play a game. I 673 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: have a fun game that I like to play. This 674 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: game is called lies Ugly, You're disgusting. I'm gonna kill you. 675 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 1: Give me two. This is white Lines. It's a it's 676 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: a fun game where I will introduce to you, Janelle, 677 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: a traditional white conspiracy, a very famous white conspiracy. And 678 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: then I would like you to take the time to 679 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: unpack that conspiracy, really break it all down. Why do 680 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 1: you think white people care about this conspiracy so much? 681 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: What are these sneaky motherfucker's up to? Yeah, but your 682 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: goofy on, Uh, put on, light up your eyes, do 683 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 1: whatever you gotta do to really to really open that 684 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: third eye. And let's get into this. Have you ever 685 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: heard of the conspiracy Paul is dead? No? Okay, so 686 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 1: there is a conspiracy a claim that the Beatles member 687 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 1: Paul McCartney in nineteen sixty six died in a car crash, 688 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: and uh he was replaced by a man named Billy 689 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: Shears who looked like him and then became the Paul 690 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 1: McCartney we now know today. This has been spread over 691 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: decades of Beatles, you know whatever conspiracies, and so much 692 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: so that even in the cover of Abbey Road they 693 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: claimed that Paul is wearing a suit that signifies him 694 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: at his funeral and he has no shoes on as 695 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: he's crossing Abbey Road, which I guess implies that he is. 696 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, Barefield get buried and you don't get 697 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 1: buried in shot. Yeah, listen, I don't get what they're doing. 698 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: But what I would love for you to do is 699 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: explained to me. Why after decades of this conspiracy continuing, 700 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: why it is so important that white people believe that 701 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: Paul McCartney died in that car crash. That's a tough 702 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: one because it makes absolutely no sense, But so they 703 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 1: the conspiracy is that they want to believe that he's dead. 704 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 1: Maybe they know that they've founded him and the Beatles, 705 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: and you know, it's such bad because the Beatles were 706 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: the Michael Jackson of their time, you know what I mean, 707 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: right right? They were the biggest, they were the baddest, 708 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: they were all the things I would think a better 709 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,240 Speaker 1: conspiracy would be that he faked his death or something 710 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: like that to get away from the limelight and he 711 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,919 Speaker 1: was tired of the of the business and then kind 712 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: of like Tupac is in in on an island chilling, right, Okay, 713 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: that Paul McCartney just wanted out from thee. I can't 714 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: even wrap my mind around this conspiracy that he's dead 715 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: and replaced for what for what purpose? Is are the 716 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: Beatles still touring? Is he's still collecting right? Right at 717 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: this point Paul McCartney just shows up on S and 718 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: L every day. He was he murdered? Is that part 719 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: of the conspiracy that well, it was that the car 720 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: crash killed him on accident. It wasn't on purpose. And 721 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: so instead of I think the hope or at least 722 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: what they're suggest thing is that instead of losing the 723 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 1: Beatles and their front man, right because him and Lennon 724 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: were basically like they just they just happened to have 725 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,720 Speaker 1: a ringer just ready to jump in, just just ready 726 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: at the ready, because they had already thought about this, 727 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: like what if if fall dies, we're gonna who we're 728 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: gonna have because we're blowing up right now and I 729 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: can't suck this money up. So, like, I'm that's that 730 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: is fun to believe that every famous artist has a 731 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: double placement dude, that that the evil record company just 732 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: has on standby, like y'all at about to sunk up 733 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: this money. We now, we gotta finish this towards Billy. 734 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: You up like you're saying Bruno Mars was in a 735 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: plane crash. Well that's you, James. You gotta come on, 736 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: you gotta go do your job. You see how fast 737 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: they got Kevin Hard out of that car accident, Like, yeah, okay, 738 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 1: I mean conspiracy right, know what happened with that whole situation? Uh, Kevin? 739 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: I respect you and would love to work on the 740 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:12,760 Speaker 1: movie with you. Later you'll see Janelle and Pets three 741 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: coming out. Fingers motherfucking crossed. Um. I think this is 742 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: a fascinating train to go down that Hollywood does have fixers. 743 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: I do believe in that people that make things happen, 744 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: and but I don't know why people would want to 745 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: believe this conspiracy. Well, I think to your point, it 746 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: really is the maintaining of the status quo, right that, like, 747 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: as long as this person continues to exist and and 748 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: these entities seem unharmed and unchanged. We have our power 749 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: at the point that they seem fallible, they can be 750 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: broken suddenly. Our power is not as everlasting. And yeah, 751 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: kind of. But the conspiracy is that people think he's 752 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 1: dead though, so it's not. They don't believe that this 753 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 1: current Paul McCartney, who I just googled, that's on a 754 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: canoe on a river somewhere enjoining quarantine. They don't think 755 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 1: that's him. Sense to me, right, But that's the Internet, right, 756 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 1: or that's the Internet of old. I think that the powers, 757 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: what is their motivation for it? I think their want 758 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: is to maintain status quo. To your point, why do 759 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: random people want to believe that? Right? That's the part 760 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: that scares me. I can understand wanting to believe to 761 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: Pocket is still alive, but wanting to believe that Paul 762 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: McCartney is dead and it's now replaced And it's not 763 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 1: even some out there conspiracy like he's been replaced by 764 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: lizard person or an alien or or anything. It's a 765 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: man named Jimmy she Dude, it's not. It's not even 766 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: a sexy name. Nobody gets morny for Jimmy Shears. They 767 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: find him in a hotel lobby and a Beatles cover band, 768 00:46:54,120 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: and they say, hey, get those shoes off. We're gonna 769 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: need to make a weird album cover. We wanted to 770 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: be dead, but we want to tell people a secret 771 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: that he alive. I mean the whole thing. Don't ask questions. 772 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,239 Speaker 1: There's got some money, We'll leave some little hints and 773 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:17,839 Speaker 1: everywhere we go, you'll you'll be Paul from down. Yeah, 774 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: we don't give a fuck. We're willing to risk it 775 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,120 Speaker 1: all for a little old Marges towards well, Janelle. I 776 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: think we did it. Could think we nailed it. This 777 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,479 Speaker 1: was a fantastic episode. Could you tell the people where 778 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 1: they can find you any cool stuff you have going on? Yeah? 779 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: You can find me on line and in my online 780 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 1: you know, and in my house basically because I'm in 781 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: quarantine like everybody else. Uh. But watch Black Monday. Uh, 782 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 1: I'm on season two and it's a fantastic black as 783 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: show and I'm I'm proud of it. Watch my Netflix 784 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: uh comedy lineup? Uh, I don't know, Google me. I'm 785 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, Google she's out there, and uh Netflix 786 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 1: her Netflix specialist hilarious Black Monday. Listen to my album 787 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: Black and Mild. The comic just offered to pay me 788 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,720 Speaker 1: to listen to my album, which is like it's Quarantine 789 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: dropping everybody crazy that's crazy, and will send their email 790 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: over to me. I was touched, but but yeah, listen 791 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: to that. It's the thing I'm most proud of. And 792 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,439 Speaker 1: I guess my kids too or whatever. But yeah, yeah, yeah, 793 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,279 Speaker 1: I guess my kids cool. But Black and Mild, that's 794 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: where I really feel like I nailed it. I kill 795 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: that ship. All right, Well, this has been another episode 796 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: of my Mama told me once again, follow us and 797 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 1: and like and subscribe on whatever platforms you do that ship. 798 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: Oh and last thing, if you have anything that you 799 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: would like to send us, drops, artwork, alien, dick pis, 800 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, please send those to my Mama 801 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: pot at gmail dot com. I would love to see it. 802 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,319 Speaker 1: I would love to read it. I would love to 803 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: experience it and potentially play it in one of our episodes. 804 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:15,400 Speaker 1: Have a good day because my cron chips in yours 805 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: a qualms are racist, the ossy money marshals many turning stuff. Really, 806 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: I can't tell me