Speaker 1: The Mets stink, which means they're going to trade players.
Speaker 1: So today we're gonna go over the ten players the
Speaker 1: Mets should, will might trade this trade deadline season.
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Speaker 2: Met's got a lot of guys to trade.
Speaker 1: I can't even believe that we can come with a
Speaker 1: list of ten that definitely could be traded at the deadline.
Speaker 3: I mean, we could have stretched out to twelve if
Speaker 3: we were like on WFN or something for guys it
Speaker 3: definitely won't be traded if we wanted to get some
Speaker 3: more names in. But I think our ten are I
Speaker 3: would be surprised if fewer than six of these guys
Speaker 3: actually got moved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking at our list, eight, nine and ten are
Speaker 1: probably the least solid that I feel about them.
Speaker 3: But I think nine solid.
Speaker 2: You think nine's a solid solid?
Speaker 3: All right, we'll do that too. We'll give percentage we
Speaker 3: think these guys will be traded for and then if
Speaker 3: we're having enough fun, maybe we'll go to the team's
Speaker 3: prospect list and see what makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not? We can do whatever we want.
Speaker 1: It's our podcast. We can run this anyway we want.
Speaker 1: But of course the first player that we have to
Speaker 1: start with is Freddy Peralta. There's a I'm willing to
Speaker 1: say one hundred chance he has not a New York Met?
Speaker 2: Was it August?
Speaker 4: Third?
Speaker 2: Is the deadline? So August wants to not be a
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 3: Met like the fourth to deadline this year?
Speaker 1: Okay, well, whatever day it is, Freddie perolt is being trade.
Speaker 1: There's a no doubt in my mind that he's not
Speaker 1: on this team, No.
Speaker 3: None, whatsoever. And the big conversation about Freddy Parolta being
Speaker 3: traded is mostly about how much his value has potentially
Speaker 3: taken a hit by how poorly he's pitched. And I've
Speaker 3: said before he continues to pitch worse. But I'm gonna
Speaker 3: stick with my guns that I don't think his value
Speaker 3: is taken as big of a hit as it probably
Speaker 3: seems right now based on how absolutely fucking atrocious he's
Speaker 3: been on the mound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's not going to be considered a bad
Speaker 1: arm to get by any means I still think the
Speaker 1: Mets are going to get a fringe top one hundred
Speaker 1: prospect back for a guy like Freddie Parolta. Freddy Perlta,
Speaker 1: I think is still going to be viewed as a
Speaker 1: playoff starter on every team that trades for him. I
Speaker 1: just don't think that like it would have been in
Speaker 1: a season where the Mets suck. It would have been
Speaker 1: nice if Freddy Peralta was having a great season in
Speaker 1: spite of the sucking, because then he would have been
Speaker 1: some real, real value. But the fact that he is struggling,
Speaker 1: along with the fact that the Mets have been struggling
Speaker 1: and they have to get rid of him, it's probably
Speaker 1: a fringe top one hundred guy, which is still fine.
Speaker 3: And maybe again just because of how few sellers exist
Speaker 3: this deadline and how expensive starting pitching always is the deadline,
Speaker 3: I still think it trends up more than that. I
Speaker 3: think you might get a top seventy five guy and
Speaker 3: the lottery ticket, or you just take like a top
Speaker 3: sixty or fifty guy who might be near major league ready.
Speaker 3: The name I keep saying, the name I want it
Speaker 3: to be the most is still Pegro Romirez for their
Speaker 3: cub I mean, I think that's just a great fit,
Speaker 3: and he'll be a starther for the Mets on opening
Speaker 3: the next year at the third base probably, So I
Speaker 3: do like that whole thing. I like the way he
Speaker 3: plays well round the profile, defense, contact, power, and speed.
Speaker 3: Guy has done a lot this year. But otherwise, the
Speaker 3: teams that make the most sense for Freddy are a
Speaker 3: bit all over the place, and the one that kind
Speaker 3: of makes the most sense is one I don't think
Speaker 3: the Mets would ever trade him to, which is the Braves. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but also based on the way David Sterns operates, I
Speaker 3: don't think he's crossing it any teams off.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's interesting looking at where he could go.
Speaker 1: And I also, what would the Braves give back, because
Speaker 1: are they really gonna give us a mind like an
Speaker 1: almost major league ready pitcher?
Speaker 2: You think for Freddy?
Speaker 3: It depends how good they think Freddy is and also
Speaker 3: how much value they see in offering Freddie. Oh no,
Speaker 3: they can't off from the qualifying if you got traded midseason,
Speaker 3: I guess probably not. I mean, do you want like
Speaker 3: John Gill or Heel? John Heel?
Speaker 2: He might be a good baseball player.
Speaker 1: I'm not particularly interested based on what I've seen.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of debate as to the Braves'
Speaker 3: top three pitching prospects between Cam Cammunity j R. Richie,
Speaker 3: Owen Murphy. I don't know if I see any of
Speaker 3: them necessarily being traded for Freddie.
Speaker 1: But if they had to come over the top and
Speaker 1: beat an offer, I could see guys of that ill
Speaker 1: coming available on.
Speaker 2: It's like, I feel like Cam and Iddi's the one
Speaker 2: that interested me the most just because he's a lefty
Speaker 2: arm with some more velo.
Speaker 3: Well, he's the best one. I just did the big
Speaker 3: futures but both just did big futures games videos out
Speaker 3: of a channel hour. Our channels now are apart. But
Speaker 3: Kevinyddy is a guy that he's he's like developing a
Speaker 3: change up. He's still only nineteen. I think I don't
Speaker 3: know if his dad or his uncle was Kevin Kammanidty.
Speaker 2: You mean Cam Cammanedy. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: He's definitely not his dad, Kevin Cammany. We went to
Speaker 1: high school with Kevinkammanidy.
Speaker 3: Yes, but Che Cammanditty this possibly Camedy's are a great
Speaker 3: family love the Kammanidis, but he's a guy that's like
Speaker 3: a change up, tweak away from like really ascending. But
Speaker 3: also if that doesn't come, he kind of gets stuck
Speaker 3: where Richie I think, kind of looks like a back
Speaker 3: end guy, but he might get trapped in the quadruple
Speaker 3: a fold, which that would make a lot of sense
Speaker 3: because that probably still makes him a back end top
Speaker 3: guy because he's already pitching the major leagues. I like Murphy.
Speaker 3: I think Murphy's underrated and he's kind of messing around
Speaker 3: right now. He's gonna do the new to the role
Speaker 3: for them, But that an array of these close to
Speaker 3: major league caliber pitching prospects does make sense if the
Speaker 3: Mets want to move ready right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I am looking right now at the teams
Speaker 1: with the least amount of starting pitching innings that are
Speaker 1: currently fighting for a playoff spot and right at the bottom,
Speaker 1: and I think that this is another team.
Speaker 2: Chicago's the city where I think Friday ends up the
Speaker 2: White Sox.
Speaker 3: I just hold them up?
Speaker 1: Can we train him to the White Sox? And is
Speaker 1: there ever a world where we can just be like
Speaker 1: Hagen Smith?
Speaker 3: No, that's that's being ridiculous. I think it would make
Speaker 3: sense for like someone I like that. I think the
Speaker 3: world is lower on Tanner McDougal.
Speaker 2: Is that the guy you're gonna say.
Speaker 3: I think he's also too good, despite the fact that
Speaker 3: he hasn't think an arm injury right now, So I
Speaker 3: don't know if that makes sense. I think that David
Speaker 3: Sandland and another guy could be I like Sandalan a lot.
Speaker 3: He throws upper nineties, He's got a power curve. It
Speaker 3: looks like definitely a repertoire that could be built on
Speaker 3: as a starting pitcher. But it gets a little weird
Speaker 3: after that. And then they also don't have the best
Speaker 3: system behind that. But I also the mess front off
Speaker 3: is gonna know a little bit more about these team
Speaker 3: systems than we do. But that's that's kind of where
Speaker 3: my mind goes.
Speaker 2: I mean, you think Billy Carlson's too good of a prospect.
Speaker 3: Probably, I said it before, Like a trade back to
Speaker 3: the Brewers makes a heap of sense.
Speaker 2: It makes so much sense.
Speaker 3: Branton Sprode for Freddy peralto would be great right now.
Speaker 2: Slop them right back.
Speaker 3: You guys can keep Judge.
Speaker 1: Just give us broke back, especially Kyle Harrison looking really
Speaker 1: bad over his last like ten starts.
Speaker 3: Well he's got an elbow.
Speaker 2: Now, oh, that's not really seems like a good fit.
Speaker 3: Ye say, he's been battling Fornas. There's another starting pitcher
Speaker 3: on this Mets list that also seems like a fit
Speaker 3: for the Brewers. But I think that Freddie again on
Speaker 3: this list, ninety nine percent chance he gets traded right now.
Speaker 1: Again just talking about because we'll talk about this as
Speaker 1: a whole, like innings pitch that the these playoff teams
Speaker 1: need that are competing for it right now. So towards
Speaker 1: the bottom of the list, you've got the White Sox
Speaker 1: need it, Nationals need it, Padres need it, Blue Jays
Speaker 1: need it. These are all teams that want to compete
Speaker 1: for a playoff spot. Are they playoff teams?
Speaker 2: In my mind? I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's not really important, but they probably are going to
Speaker 1: go for it right now. Rays could always use a
Speaker 1: little bit more pitching. You've got the Astros on here,
Speaker 1: You've got the Brewers, You've got the Cubs. Like, there's
Speaker 1: teams floating around that need starting pitching in the Mets
Speaker 1: might stumble into it. Should we talk about the other
Speaker 1: starter Pitcher.
Speaker 3: Right now, might as well do it.
Speaker 2: Clay Holmes.
Speaker 1: I uh, we got the news from Will sam And
Speaker 1: that Clay Holmes is very open to talking mid season
Speaker 1: extension with the New York Mets. I think they should
Speaker 1: extend immediately.
Speaker 2: If he wants an extension right now, give him a
Speaker 2: couple more years.
Speaker 1: I'm totally in, especially because we know how valuable it
Speaker 1: is to have innings in The Mets don't really have
Speaker 1: a lot of innings on the book for next year,
Speaker 1: so I would love to see Clay Holmes come back
Speaker 1: as a New York Met.
Speaker 2: But he also might give us maybe.
Speaker 1: More value if he comes back and has a couple
Speaker 1: good starts than Freddy.
Speaker 3: But I don't think he has any chance to get
Speaker 3: in the mounds before the deadline because he.
Speaker 2: Threw today on the mound.
Speaker 3: He threw today, and he said also in that Will
Speaker 3: Salmon article he wants his next start to be in
Speaker 3: the majors. That seems crazy, but honestly, I why not
Speaker 3: just try something like that, Because he gets on the mount,
Speaker 3: his value goes up. I also think there is a
Speaker 3: fear with Clay Holmes, a guy that over the last
Speaker 3: two years has dramatically increased his workload and a guy
Speaker 3: with a player option that there is going to be
Speaker 3: the fear. I know, the baseball perspective. Guys have mentioned
Speaker 3: this recently, Jeffrey and Jarrett that the Shane Bieber trade
Speaker 3: last year probably and rightfully has scared teams from trading
Speaker 3: for guys with player options, because it wouldn't be that
Speaker 3: surprising for Clay Holmes to either aggravate this injury or
Speaker 3: pick up another injury and be like, oh, I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna pick up that player option, never mind, and then
Speaker 3: now a sudden he's on the books for a team
Speaker 3: that wasn't anticipating that, and that kind of changes the calculus.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I think that it's still possible, like to see teams
Speaker 3: being weird about that.
Speaker 1: I do, but I also think sometimes and this is
Speaker 1: something that you smart heeads might do, and especially like
Speaker 1: prospect this guys know a lot, but I think they
Speaker 1: might almost sometimes be too smart for their own good
Speaker 1: in this sense where teams a.
Speaker 2: Lot of front officers.
Speaker 1: Are still not that smart, so they are gonna be
Speaker 1: like good pitcher, like I'm not thinking about that he
Speaker 1: could pick up his player option, which is still pretty
Speaker 1: cheap upon another injury. Like, I don't think that many
Speaker 1: front offices do think like that. I think the best
Speaker 1: front offices do, but that's not how the trade deadline
Speaker 1: always operates.
Speaker 3: And I also think that was a unique situation with
Speaker 3: Bieber specifically last year, because he would actively had an
Speaker 3: arm injury he was.
Speaker 1: I mean, we always like kind of off air. We're like,
Speaker 1: he's got roast beef, elbow and arm and shoulder. Everything's
Speaker 1: roast beef there.
Speaker 3: So like the chance of Shane Bieber aggravating existing arm
Speaker 3: injury less season, we're like north of seventy percent, yes,
Speaker 3: Whereas Klay Holmes, who's been had healthy arms shoulders for
Speaker 3: the last few years, just has a freak bone injury
Speaker 3: right now. That's probably closer to what like twenty percent
Speaker 3: thirty percent, just like any other pitcher in the league,
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit more, just for the increased workload
Speaker 3: the last few years. So I think that's probably of
Speaker 3: his why. I also feel like sometimes specifically with the
Speaker 3: prospective guys that they know they're so connected with the
Speaker 3: Mets world. Yeah, and they have so many team sources
Speaker 3: from all the content they make there, the great content
Speaker 3: they make a baseball perspectives. Other teams might give shit
Speaker 3: to them to try and kill for that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because they're gonna be passed around the Mets world, which
Speaker 3: is possible too. But we'll see what winds up happening
Speaker 3: with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it depends if he throws a mound on the
Speaker 1: major at the major leagues before the trade deadline. But
Speaker 1: I think regardless, I do think the floor for him
Speaker 1: is probably a borderline top one hundred prospect, like the
Speaker 1: Cal Stephen thing last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, again a little bit less than I think for Freddie,
Speaker 3: which that might sound crazy some Mets fans right now,
Speaker 3: but basically all the same teams we just mentioned and
Speaker 3: the slightly worst prospect or a slightly worst collection of prospects.
Speaker 2: So wouldn't hate giving him a two year extension.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't either. I think he has the player option
Speaker 3: and but like he will Samon also, I think it
Speaker 3: was Tim Brittan as well. Tim does great contract predictions.
Speaker 3: Besides Tatsui am I. This year it was they went
Speaker 3: through similar pitchers who were kind of these hybrids who
Speaker 3: then hit the market after pitching well, and looks like
Speaker 3: Clay probably gets like three for seventy really, he's.
Speaker 2: Not gonna get like the logo contract. Look with Lugo
Speaker 2: got with the Royals, what I thought, he's like three
Speaker 2: for forty five.
Speaker 3: I think it's like three for sixty. I think at
Speaker 3: the time people are like, what.
Speaker 1: Oh, he has the team option. Okay, so it's two
Speaker 1: for forty six with the team option for seventeen to
Speaker 1: be for team options the best part of this entire thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a crazy thing right there. But even like
Speaker 3: when the Mets Simon dies was thirty six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right. It's probably three for seventy.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Three for seventy, three for sixty.
Speaker 3: I think the best you could do. You might have
Speaker 3: to give him a little bit of juice too, But
Speaker 3: also again, not the worst idea for them to resign him.
Speaker 3: We do want this Mets team to build any momentum
Speaker 3: in the second half. But if you've got a top
Speaker 3: hunchd prospect Clay Holmes is out here, Yes, I think
Speaker 3: that's probably where it ends up.
Speaker 1: Is you're gonna give us somebody good, Well, we'll take
Speaker 1: him off your hand, or you can have them. That's
Speaker 1: where it ends up. Open for business, Open for business,
Speaker 1: who could that guy be. Let's just throw out a
Speaker 1: name to let the people get excited at home.
Speaker 3: Uh for a top a borderline top hundred prospect that
Speaker 3: could be moved for Clay Holmes. Yeah, oh, let's scrawl
Speaker 3: right now. Let's think about this, you put let's pull
Speaker 3: up different top hundred lists.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to pipeline.
Speaker 3: Okay, No, you do Baseball America because you know you gotta.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll do Baseball America. Shout out Baseball America.
Speaker 3: Shout out Baseball America. Shoutout Pipeline. Shout baseball perspective. A
Speaker 3: lot of great prospect work out there. I don't know, like,
Speaker 3: could you sneak away go through the list? I've I've
Speaker 3: fallen in love with Nolan Perry from the Blue Jays.
Speaker 3: He's a big riser from me. I don't know if
Speaker 3: he's going anywhere. I just I think that right now
Speaker 3: Christians is what Just like Jet Williams. Yeah, Jackson Wiggins
Speaker 3: has dealt with injuries, but I don't see the Cubs
Speaker 3: moving him for Clay Homes. I see him making sense
Speaker 3: for Freddy possibly, but then see it at Jefferson Rojas
Speaker 3: from the Cubs. If Pedro mirrors is too good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Jefferson Rowss.
Speaker 2: So what you like?
Speaker 3: Do you even think he's like a fifty future value?
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 1: I think he's just like a a at best league
Speaker 1: average hitting shortstop with plus defense.
Speaker 3: Back to the Yankees to be a starting pitcher.
Speaker 2: That would be so funny, that would be very funny.
Speaker 3: The Yankees have some pretty exciting arms the back end
Speaker 3: of the top one hundred who I think are kind
Speaker 3: of missed on some of these rankings.
Speaker 2: Nah that the Ashers never trade this guy, there's no shot.
Speaker 3: Have you seen Christian Hernandez making big strides in the
Speaker 3: Marlins organization? Really, that would be a fun one for
Speaker 3: Clayhoff Marlins. Had Marlins put out today, they're going to
Speaker 3: be like what they say, like temperate buying, responsible buying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, responsibly buying, which is very funny. Line.
Speaker 1: Any chance we could get Savior and Nions. He's a
Speaker 1: borderline top one hundred guy right now.
Speaker 2: He's so good.
Speaker 3: He loves Savior Nions. I love a lefty with a
Speaker 3: big swing, Lefty, big swing. I think he misses around
Speaker 3: the corner. Raffield, he's running like he's he's like hilarious.
Speaker 3: Three true outcomes though, you just want to try Ryan
Speaker 3: Clifford again. Yes, it makes your strikeout as much. I
Speaker 3: think he will when you move up levels. Who cares
Speaker 3: And he swings like twenty percent of the time I
Speaker 3: saw the think he's running like at thirty percent. Walk
Speaker 3: right for the last like three weeks.
Speaker 2: That's my dog right there. Gibe left you with a
Speaker 2: big swing.
Speaker 3: He also he's popped a one sixteen.
Speaker 2: That's so hard.
Speaker 3: That might have been in college with the no he
Speaker 3: was he was high school.
Speaker 2: He was high school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe we'll see. But that does
Speaker 3: make sense in the starting pitching market, even just like
Speaker 3: a quick referendum on the trademark. In general, there are
Speaker 3: no fucking sellers.
Speaker 2: No, there's not. We're one of the clear sellers, which
Speaker 2: is kind of.
Speaker 3: Sick, kind of sick, also kind of sad. I mean,
Speaker 3: if we were depressing, if we were in the American League,
Speaker 3: we still have a shop like the Baltimore Orioles forty
Speaker 3: three and fifty one, four games out. The Tigers are
Speaker 3: three games out in the lost column right now.
Speaker 2: They might they might not trade Tark School.
Speaker 3: I don't think they are the Red Sox the.
Speaker 1: World where they don't trade tex School. Well, we might
Speaker 1: get a top fifty for Freddy Pearl.
Speaker 3: The Red Sox are one game out in the lost
Speaker 3: column and they're five games under five hundred.
Speaker 2: Oh, the American League sucks so bad.
Speaker 3: The Cardinals are four games over five hundred and they're
Speaker 3: in they're three games out two in the lost column.
Speaker 1: That's the worst thing about what's been going going on
Speaker 1: with That's why we should lock out.
Speaker 2: The American League's a joke.
Speaker 3: That's a poor player right there. But like, I don't
Speaker 3: even know if the Reds are going to sell. You
Speaker 3: can don't only have that much to cells. Really us,
Speaker 3: the Rockies also have very little to sell. It's really
Speaker 3: us the Giants. The Royals are not selling. They announced that.
Speaker 1: And also just talking about pictures, the Reds of the
Speaker 1: rock the Rockies have nobody that's a good picture. The
Speaker 1: Giants have one good picture. And I don't think they're
Speaker 1: trading logan webs so like.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean maybe after it's Tyrade on Twitter, but
Speaker 3: we'll see about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from the logan web bad annoying dude sucks. But
Speaker 2: all right, and.
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Speaker 3: Is he a starting pitcher?
Speaker 1: I think that team's on the true Who would ever
Speaker 1: be interested in trading for Code I Sanga probably use
Speaker 1: him as a reliever this year with hopes that they
Speaker 1: can get him back to a starter.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He won't be traded for as a starting pitcher because
Speaker 3: he's not really one right now.
Speaker 2: You can't hybrid trade.
Speaker 3: I don't think any team in the playoff race would
Speaker 3: be give Code I Sanga the ball and say, hey,
Speaker 3: get us fifteen outs.
Speaker 2: Oh I could I could find some teams that would.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like you have to be so desper
Speaker 1: I think that Houston Ashros totally would. I think that
Speaker 1: the San Diego Padres.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't a heartbeat.
Speaker 3: I guess the Padres actually are the one that would
Speaker 3: White Sox and Nationals would give him a look. You
Speaker 3: and again, Steve Cohen showed the willingness to do this
Speaker 3: in the past. But you have to pay down like
Speaker 3: what half of his contract next year to even get
Speaker 3: any prospect of value for him.
Speaker 2: What's he do right now?
Speaker 3: I think he's something between thirteen and fifteen if I
Speaker 3: remember correct.
Speaker 1: Looking on Baseball Reference real quick, So Code I is
Speaker 1: saying his contract corner Baseball Reference would be so that
Speaker 1: half of the contract this year, so half of fifteen,
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: Fifteen million next year. So he's gonna be due half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, about twenty million, twenty plus million over the next
Speaker 1: two years. He has a team option for fifteen million
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Jeez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you probably would have to pay half
Speaker 1: of it. You give ten million in Code I, and
Speaker 1: you probably get a toolsy prospect.
Speaker 3: Someone who's like a helium guy that could be the
Speaker 3: top hundred next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like top two fifty right now.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't even think you get like one of
Speaker 3: my favorite helium prospects and the astros is Kevin Alvarez.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be in the Features game on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Right now, is he not.
Speaker 3: He's a fring you guys, probably a top one twenty
Speaker 3: five guy. But he's like I think next year he's
Speaker 3: the top hundred guy pretty easily. But he's he's on
Speaker 3: such a gesture. There's no way you get a guy
Speaker 3: like that. But I don't I don't know, I'd want
Speaker 3: to get coded off the team because for this addition
Speaker 3: by subtraction. But I still don't think that you get
Speaker 3: anything of value and you're paying him to play against you.
Speaker 2: What are the odds the Mets trade code?
Speaker 3: I sanga thirty percent?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna go about twenty five.
Speaker 3: I think Holmes is like forty percent.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was gonna go thirty for him, So okay,
Speaker 1: I think he's a little more likely.
Speaker 2: I think it really does depend if he pitches.
Speaker 3: All right, let's nail the relievers.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, And we're not mentioning Sean and I we
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna get traded or and I also
Speaker 1: don't think the Mets should trade him.
Speaker 3: I didn't you think there's a chance he was getting traded?
Speaker 2: That name?
Speaker 3: You're just saying that name surprised me.
Speaker 1: If the Twitter people have talked about him, who, I
Speaker 1: don't know. With the articles I see things.
Speaker 3: No nonsense, probably twitther people, but whatever. Relievers, Yes, Luke Weaver,
Speaker 3: aj Minzer Brooks, Raili Are, I wanna be honest with
Speaker 3: you some of the jewels of the trade market right now.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be honest with you, guys, one chance.
Speaker 1: I think they all get traded.
Speaker 3: I think Minter and Raili are one hundred percent. I
Speaker 3: think Weavers seventy five percent.
Speaker 1: Because there's so few sellers, I think, I think you
Speaker 1: have to trade Weaver.
Speaker 3: I think Weaver having another year of a contract it
Speaker 3: makes one and Scarce teams off, so I think you
Speaker 3: might get less for him than some Mets fans would
Speaker 3: like to believe. And two, it makes the Mets who
Speaker 3: do want to be competitive next year say, yes, this
Speaker 3: is a guy that we could keep on. So that's
Speaker 3: why now I sold seventy five the other guys are
Speaker 3: one hundred.
Speaker 1: Now from those three, I guarantee you that one of
Speaker 1: the things that we get back is gonna be a
Speaker 1: thirty fourth pick from the Pittsburgh Pirates, which will have
Speaker 1: happened by the time you guys listen to this. Then yes, Well,
Speaker 1: because the draft starts at New And on Saturday, they're
Speaker 1: gonna move them. They're getting it.
Speaker 3: I also there's a rumor that went out that got
Speaker 3: a lot of steam today on Friday on Twitter that
Speaker 3: the Pirates are floating the fourth overall pick, which I
Speaker 3: didn't know that was allowed.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't think you can trade that pick. Well,
Speaker 1: why was that being reported? Who is it being re
Speaker 1: Let's see, I don't think that's I don't think you can.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought you can only trade the comp.
Speaker 2: Was it competitive round picks?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Compensatory?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you could only trade those.
Speaker 3: Kyler McDaniel, Oh, is competitive and compensatory whatever? Not draft guys,
Speaker 3: Kyler mcdan until next week. Kyler McDaniel actually said, I've
Speaker 3: had at least a half dozen teams tell me they
Speaker 3: made a run at this pick. The asking price seems
Speaker 3: to be a good Major League believer, the Cub's fourth
Speaker 3: oh thirty fourth overall pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you can trade four.
Speaker 3: That was stupid by me, all right, hand up, I
Speaker 3: bet listen, everybody makes mistakes. Pull that one back.
Speaker 2: But I'd love that pick if feels available.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I should have been. I messed up my tweet.
Speaker 3: Then that should have been Brooks rally instead of instead
Speaker 3: of uh, Luke Weaver said of Luke Weaver, Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2: I was gonna give you shit about that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I said there yesterday, You're like, that's
Speaker 1: Brooks really, and now you're saying it's Luke Weaver.
Speaker 3: I today was one of my few coffee days I had.
Speaker 3: I've been NonStop this whole day, so totally misread. Also
Speaker 3: the fourth pick, which I would do that for Luke
Speaker 3: Weaver no shape, But thirty fourth pick makes more sense.
Speaker 3: Brook Brooks Railey ag.
Speaker 2: Yes, which they're definitely going.
Speaker 1: There are two of the low key, really good left
Speaker 1: handed relievers in Major League Baseball. Everybody could use more
Speaker 1: left handed relievers. How many good left handed bats there are?
Speaker 3: Pirates can use any reliever right now. Have you seen
Speaker 3: the state of the Pirates' bullpen.
Speaker 1: It's pretty much non existent. It's it's pretty horrible, which
Speaker 1: kind of crazy to think about.
Speaker 3: I mean, it kind of made sense the beginning of
Speaker 3: the year. It was a very boom er bust bullpen.
Speaker 3: Sadly half these guys have busted. I do wonder if
Speaker 3: Pause Yore they're going to just be in the reliever
Speaker 3: market heavy. They have decent prospects of trade. We are
Speaker 3: a very very natural match for the Pirates, possibly again
Speaker 3: by the time this even comes.
Speaker 2: Out, which would be great.
Speaker 1: I hope we do move one of these guys for
Speaker 1: that pick. But every single team in baseball could use
Speaker 1: more relievers. As trying to compete for the playoffs. That's
Speaker 1: why the Mets again are kind of in the driver's
Speaker 1: seat with these dudes, and what do we expect back.
Speaker 1: I don't It's probably like fringe top two fifty guys, right,
Speaker 1: I think for those guys, yes, which is why thirty
Speaker 1: fourth overall pick makes sense.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit better than that. But for Weaver, again,
Speaker 3: I think we'ves a tough guy of values. I think
Speaker 3: a lot of these teams don't like a twelve ten
Speaker 3: million dollar price tag on or reliever for next season,
Speaker 3: and that actually might hurt his value. Again, it might
Speaker 3: be situation where we're paying like five mil to actually
Speaker 3: get any prospect that's a fifty future value, which future
Speaker 3: fifty future value means a guy who can be started
Speaker 3: at the major league level.
Speaker 2: One day, which I think is worth it at that point.
Speaker 1: And we've seen Steve Cohen talk about the value of
Speaker 1: prospects that they are the most valuable thing in terms
Speaker 1: of like money that you invest first money back. So
Speaker 1: I feel like him spending five million dollars to cover
Speaker 1: some of Luke Weaver to go get a guy who
Speaker 1: could be one of the most valuable assets in the
Speaker 1: organization feels.
Speaker 2: Like a money move, definitely.
Speaker 3: I think the Yankees are a team that makes sense
Speaker 3: for all three of these guys as well the very
Speaker 3: rare Mets Yankee trade weaver. Of course, he's proven himself there,
Speaker 3: and they have a few pitching prospects who are way
Speaker 3: down their public lists that I like. I know he
Speaker 3: got the spots start last week and e didn't pitch well.
Speaker 3: But Brendan Beck, he's kind of erratic. He's early twenty seven,
Speaker 3: but he has good stuff for Like, if you tell
Speaker 3: me get a twenty seven year old star there for
Speaker 3: a j mint or maybe something else, I'm like, that's
Speaker 3: I signed up for that. In a second, I don't,
Speaker 3: I'm not as interested I like it. I mean, I
Speaker 3: just how badly do we need like guys who are
Speaker 3: fringing major league stars right now?
Speaker 2: So badly insanely bad?
Speaker 3: Makes a lot of sense, But like, there's there's a
Speaker 3: lot of those kinds of guys in some of these teams.
Speaker 3: Who's another team needs a reliever?
Speaker 1: Uh, let me see, I'm gonna I'm just gonna do
Speaker 1: my boring. Like let's sort by e r a bullpeny
Speaker 1: ra for competitive teams I'll tell you the Cubs are
Speaker 1: another Twins have said that they want to bolster the bullpen.
Speaker 2: They just trade for Tommy Nance.
Speaker 3: They did trade for Tommy Nance, who kind of stinks.
Speaker 1: Nationals could use it as a team. I think that's
Speaker 1: competing for the playoffs. Have fun Cardinals. Cardinals could definitely
Speaker 1: use some I like, I know the Philly's back end
Speaker 1: is locked up, but they could just get more arms
Speaker 1: in there if you want to give them something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, wow, Can we try White Sox?
Speaker 3: Can we try and take a shot in either Brandon
Speaker 3: Clark or Yorker Fajardo haven't been as good in the
Speaker 3: Cardinals system this year.
Speaker 2: I'd love to take a shot at Brandon Clark.
Speaker 3: I wonder what I wonder what they think about Yiro
Speaker 3: pad doing finleet. He's trying to get some money right now,
Speaker 3: so that's what maybe sad.
Speaker 2: Oh God, that's like the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 3: Ty Pete, who they traded for, who's actually played pretty well.
Speaker 3: I do wonder if they just want to get off
Speaker 3: a high risk, high reward prospect, if we could take
Speaker 3: a shot on that.
Speaker 2: Dodgers could always use more bullpen.
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about the Dodgers. I guess whatever.
Speaker 3: The Dodgers Marlins's have a great bullpen, but John King
Speaker 3: did just go in the injured list, so they do
Speaker 3: need some help there they Again, these relievers are gonna
Speaker 3: have tons of southers. These are the most likely guys
Speaker 3: in mest trade. One hundred percent Raleian mentor one hundred
Speaker 3: percent gone. Yes, might you think you think I'm too
Speaker 3: long weaver for seventy five percent?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'm too high? Yeah, which is probably worth
Speaker 2: seventy five percent makes the most sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, split the miller right there? These are These are
Speaker 3: the guys get moved.
Speaker 2: One reliever that I would love to see get moved
Speaker 2: but will not Devin Williams. I'm doubt I'm done with him.
Speaker 3: I don't even think it's worth putting him on the list.
Speaker 3: I do just hate And I said this then I
Speaker 3: kind of bought back in by the time the season started,
Speaker 3: and I say it now like I just hate two
Speaker 3: pitch relievers who don't have a good fastball. You don't
Speaker 3: have a great fastball.
Speaker 2: His fastball is okay at best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a fine fastball. IFI fve fastballs ing hilosophy
Speaker 3: still has great extension, and he keeps trying to mess
Speaker 3: around with these pitches that move left. The color and
Speaker 3: the slide that are in there. It's just it just
Speaker 3: seems like it's a very difficult throw for him because
Speaker 3: it's just not how he's just just doesn't he just
Speaker 3: pronated so hard. That's part to do something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just been not good.
Speaker 3: He's still missing the bats, he's still getting the strikeouts,
Speaker 3: but the walks and just once in a while, the
Speaker 3: ball that gets hit hard just destroys you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know, just being fastball changeup was
Speaker 2: scary anytime, especially if you're gonna have to face Rioty's
Speaker 2: a bunch. Yeah, No, I do.
Speaker 3: I mean his change up is not really a change
Speaker 3: of though I know it's it's the airbender, but it's
Speaker 3: a freak. It's like a freak reverse curve balls kind
Speaker 3: of demon But.
Speaker 2: Then just two pitch, just be dominant. Two pitch.
Speaker 3: You're not you're not training guy in a three year contract.
Speaker 2: No, I wish that we could, though I would pay
Speaker 2: at all get rid of him, I.
Speaker 3: Mean kind of for me for his money. Thank god,
Speaker 3: he doesn't make that much. No, with a deferrals. He's
Speaker 3: what true value eleven million year?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not that much.
Speaker 3: It's whatever.
Speaker 2: It's far right, he'll be the closer next year. But
Speaker 2: hits hitters. I got three of them.
Speaker 3: I got three of them, and these are ones that
Speaker 3: I think two are really cool. Likely to get traded.
Speaker 3: I think one is not.
Speaker 2: And which one do you think is not likely to
Speaker 2: get traded.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Mesa trading Francisco Alvarez.
Speaker 1: Nope, I'm standing hard on Francisco Alvarez gets the teams
Speaker 1: in the door and was like, we'll take a lot
Speaker 1: lesson you could have Luise to Renz.
Speaker 3: Which I wonder if I don't know. This season was
Speaker 3: kind of falling apart when the gave's freends extension. We
Speaker 3: didn't really understand it whatsoever. But maybe it's just to
Speaker 3: give teams a fixed costs because they try to trade them.
Speaker 3: It would be really funny to trade them back to
Speaker 3: the Yankees, who apparently have interest.
Speaker 2: Would be sick.
Speaker 3: We got him from the Yankees for one hundred grand
Speaker 3: and if we get any player that has a chance
Speaker 3: to contribute to the major league level one day, it's
Speaker 3: incredibly worth it. Yeah, I mean like, just take a
Speaker 3: shot on the Yankees draft the biggest dudes ever. Go
Speaker 3: find a big dude that plays the outfield and hits
Speaker 3: the ball hard, and then we can probably just sign
Speaker 3: a very capable part time catcher in free agency. This
Speaker 3: ye because theyre always available.
Speaker 2: Backup catchers are the easiest thing to find.
Speaker 3: Found Louise Trenz.
Speaker 2: You literally found Luis Torenz.
Speaker 1: If Hayden Sanger ever hit better than four hundred ohs,
Speaker 1: he's a great backup catcher.
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Speaker 3: I think the most fun guy to talk about from
Speaker 3: this group, and fun is the is the operative void
Speaker 3: here Mets fans Louis Robert Jr. Because he's coming back
Speaker 3: right after the All Star break and he has a
Speaker 3: fixed cost next year if you want to keep him,
Speaker 3: and he needs to fixed costs for the RESCI the
Speaker 3: I don't know who's gonna I mean, someone might still
Speaker 3: want to keep him, which is very funny to say.
Speaker 3: But we've seen Louise Robert Jr. Get scalding hot for
Speaker 3: a short period of time. Yes, and we even saw
Speaker 3: while he really tailed off before he got injured the
Speaker 3: beginning of this season. He probably was playing through a
Speaker 3: bad back and he was showing good things under the hood,
Speaker 3: and he showed good things under the hood last year.
Speaker 3: And I do think a lot of teams were probably
Speaker 3: in conversations with the White Sox, who are definitely more
Speaker 3: ornery of a franchise to deal within the Mets and
Speaker 3: trade conversations. I think there's actually very much a market here,
Speaker 3: and I think that a team that I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't think the Phillies are anymore because Justin Crawford has
Speaker 3: kind of has kind of shirt up. I would like
Speaker 3: to see the Cardinals think about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like a better version of Victor Scott or
Speaker 2: not a better version.
Speaker 3: Well, he hasn't played.
Speaker 2: Guy's been Church, Nathan Church. I think that is something
Speaker 2: I feel so weird about Louise Robert.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see him leave, but I know that,
Speaker 1: you mean, at some point you got you gotta be
Speaker 1: okay with this. Given I got to see ninety plate
Speaker 1: appearances of this guy, that's heartbreaking for me.
Speaker 3: I think the Astros, the Rays, the Tigers, I mean,
Speaker 3: the Nationals would be kind of sick, honestly, the Padres,
Speaker 3: the Guards. I think, especially if you pay down, you
Speaker 3: can get a legit prospect, or if you package Robert
Speaker 3: with a reliever, then we're looking like a top one
Speaker 3: hundred prospect. Like I think that's actually something very much
Speaker 3: in play. I think it is more valuable than most
Speaker 3: mess fans would want to admit.
Speaker 1: I do wonder like because you mentioned under the hood
Speaker 1: this stuff really didn't look bad. He just like starts
Speaker 1: struggling for like three weeks when ice cold and looking
Speaker 1: at like seventeen percent Carrea. It's not like he was
Speaker 1: swinging and missing more. It's not like he was getting
Speaker 1: on base. It was simply just like the quality of
Speaker 1: contact was worse, which probably is linked to that.
Speaker 3: Back definitely, and the bat speed was still there, and
Speaker 3: he was drawing more walks than he ever had. He
Speaker 3: was chasing, not chasing very much out of his own
Speaker 3: It was just very poor quality of contact, was recording
Speaker 3: the ball up, which probably is tied to that back,
Speaker 3: and he probably that's also probably was impacting him defensively.
Speaker 3: I mean, probabybe give him a little toomuch credit. Now
Speaker 3: we'll see. But Ian Vatim wants to throw him in
Speaker 3: that great arm in a corner and hit six in
Speaker 3: a playoff race.
Speaker 2: By all means, I think the Pirates, with all their
Speaker 2: injuries would be interested.
Speaker 3: Maybe the Pirates of interested. I think I think the
Speaker 3: Astros are probably the team because they just have no
Speaker 3: outfielders or the Guards. The Guards love not getting real outfielders,
Speaker 3: but acquiring one the deadline.
Speaker 1: That's true, they do. They took Lane Thomas a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. I think Roberts got better potential than
Speaker 1: Lane Thomas.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the only other guys worth even kinds
Speaker 3: of mentioning are Vantos and Baby Baby. I mean, Vanto's
Speaker 3: probably took himself out of this conversation because he's now
Speaker 3: has broken bone in his hand. Broken bone in his hand,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be out for like a month and a half,
Speaker 3: so missing the deadline. And Baby, I think some teams
Speaker 3: will call on Beaty as like a lefty that can
Speaker 3: play around the infield. But yes, I still think that.
Speaker 3: I still think the mess just don't have a lot
Speaker 3: of even bench pieces ready for next years.
Speaker 2: He might as well just keep him.
Speaker 1: No, oh, I don't think that Brett Bady's going anywhere.
Speaker 1: This is gonna sound insane, but like he's got like
Speaker 1: a seven hundred oops over the last week. I think
Speaker 1: the Mets are like, considering you're gonna be our super
Speaker 1: utility guy. You could play second, third, first, outfield, might
Speaker 1: as well just keep you around because, like you said,
Speaker 1: there is nobody else.
Speaker 3: It's a strong side platoon eight hither. Yeah, that's that's fine.
Speaker 3: Who can run into one? That's that's better than most
Speaker 3: teams have in the eighth spot.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately for Brett Baty like you just you're just
Speaker 2: not gonna get your chance to shine with another.
Speaker 3: Team, which is which is a shame. Maybe when Brett
Speaker 3: Bay's thirty he gets that chance finally, But I think
Speaker 3: he's just he's a good piece to keep on the team.
Speaker 2: And just because Ryan Morisil still has that option, there's
Speaker 2: no reason to trade him just yet. No, well, unless
Speaker 2: someone wants him, what would you take anything for him?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 3: Basically?
Speaker 2: What would be the worst you would take?
Speaker 3: Like a guy in the DSL who's hit the ball
Speaker 3: one hundred eight miles per hour. Okay, that's not even
Speaker 3: that hard, That's what I'm saying. Well, I'm projecting physical
Speaker 3: growth there. Seven and eighteen year old just hit the
Speaker 3: ball hundred eight alright, So I'd be like, what a
Speaker 3: fifth round pick in the draft that's committed to an
Speaker 3: se see here at ACC school that you give a
Speaker 3: second round bonus two. I could see that that conceptually,
Speaker 3: but from the Dominican Republic. Last thing I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: before we wrap this one up. Are there any prospects
Speaker 3: that you think could be on the move in the
Speaker 3: Mets system for a player that has some like weird
Speaker 3: control type stuff, Like, do we think that there's a
Speaker 3: world that the Mets consider moving on from any of
Speaker 3: winninger tongue anything like that in a trade where they
Speaker 3: could get a picture with like two three years of control.
Speaker 3: I don't remember if it was Salmon or Rosenthal, but
Speaker 3: they threw cold water on the Mets trading tongue that
Speaker 3: they still see him with a lot of value. I
Speaker 3: wonder if a team seeking a fourth outfielder if they're
Speaker 3: not interested in Tyrone Taylor wants Nick more Abie though,
Speaker 3: and the Mets can flop more be though as a
Speaker 3: fringe major league outfielder for like a fringier major league pitcher,
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, like the eighth starting
Speaker 3: pitcher in someone's organization, the ninth starting pitcher for more
Speaker 3: b though, I think that can intrigue someone otherwise.
Speaker 2: Not really Yeah, no, I mean I'm kind of with
Speaker 2: you on that. I don't see it happening.
Speaker 1: I also don't know who those players even are the
Speaker 1: Mets will be interested in, but something keep an eye
Speaker 1: out for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's it.
Speaker 3: Though it's ten players the Mets might could, possibly should,
Speaker 3: maybe will trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you guys can let us know down the
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