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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, he.

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Speaker 1: Said, hiros j.

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Speaker 2: E pol Oh hey boom. So every episode, at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of the show, I want to talk about different

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Speaker 2: ghost stories, famous ghost stories, ghost stories that you submit

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Speaker 2: to me. If you have any ideas for some good

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Speaker 2: ghost stories, hit me up on social media at Ro's

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Speaker 2: dress Faless on all social media platforms and you can

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Speaker 2: give me some ideas, because as of right now, I

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Speaker 2: think I'm just going to stick with some of the

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Speaker 2: greatest hits, some of those classic ghost stories. One of

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Speaker 2: my favorites, of course, is based is the is the

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Speaker 2: story that inspired The Shining. We're talking, of course about

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Speaker 2: the Stanley Hotel in Estez Park, Colorado? Is it stes

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Speaker 2: ees Tes? How do you say that Colorado ends Amelia

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Speaker 2: Estevez Park. I don't think that that's real. I think

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Speaker 2: if that was the case, then the movie would have

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Speaker 2: been called The Sheening, Sheening, not Shining. Now most famlessly,

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Speaker 2: it is the inspiration for the Shining in the movie.

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Speaker 2: They call it the Overlook Hotel, of course, but it

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Speaker 2: was not filmed the movie The Shining was not film

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Speaker 2: there just to set the record straight they used for

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Speaker 2: the movie, the shining they used. The exterior was the

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Speaker 2: Timberline Lodge in Oregon, and the interiors were in London

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Speaker 2: in a sound stage. But Stephen King did film a

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven adaptation mini series for ABC in the

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Speaker 2: stand Hotel, and you better believe they have both the

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Speaker 2: miniseries and the movie in the gift shop from what

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Speaker 2: I've been told. Oh but here is a fun fact

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Speaker 2: about something that was filmed there. It is the hotel

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Speaker 2: Dan Berry of Aspen, Colorado in the movie Dumb and Dumber. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the real Stanley Hotel. So here's how the story goes.

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Speaker 2: Stephen King was having writer's block. We're talking about nineteen

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Speaker 2: himself at the Stanley Hotel with his wife. So it's

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Speaker 2: He recalls being in the restaurant there and there's really

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Speaker 2: of it kind of a creepy vibe, and at that

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Speaker 2: So he is staying in room two seventeen and he

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Speaker 2: has a dream that his young son is being chased

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Speaker 2: him instantly wake up. He went outside to smoke a

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Speaker 2: cigarette and by the time the cigarette is done, he

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Speaker 2: has come up with the entire idea. See, kids, cigarettes

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Speaker 2: can be a great thing. Just kidding. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: gonna go have a thinker. That's what he would say,

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Speaker 2: I when I have a thinker, And that was that's

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Speaker 2: what he called smoking cigarettes. So Stephen King had a thinker,

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Speaker 2: into a real, real iconic horror movie. Okay, So here's

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Speaker 2: the history of the real Overlook known as the Stanley

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Speaker 2: Hotel of Estas Park, Colorado. It was opened in nineteen

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Speaker 2: oh nine by free lan Oscar Stanley, inventor of photographic plates,

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Speaker 2: and the Stanley Steamer motor car Stanley Steve. If you

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Speaker 2: if you are like me and you don't have a

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Speaker 2: But I think it's not related. I'm not sure. Now,

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Speaker 2: who are the ghosts there? Well, there are one hundred

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Speaker 2: of course the most requested room because that's where Stephen

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Speaker 2: guys can check out their website, the Stanley Hotel. I'm

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Speaker 2: it looks actually like a beautiful, beautiful hotel, and I

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Speaker 2: But today I am joined by truly one of my

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Speaker 2: he's a writer, he's a comedian. He's been seen on

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Speaker 2: television shows like Will and Grace, Kurby, Your Enthusiasm, Arrested, Development,

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Speaker 2: is Sam Pancake.

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Speaker 1: Hello, can I talk now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can talk.

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Speaker 4: I should probably also mention that I was on Charmed

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Speaker 4: and Angel considering the content and the subject of this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been in like a horror movie?

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Speaker 4: I not to the degree like the ones you and

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Speaker 4: I I like to watch like a conjuring or an

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Speaker 4: was in that movie You're Killing Me with a lot

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Speaker 4: and it's kind of a creepy, comedic, dark movie about

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Speaker 4: I am the nun.

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Speaker 2: You're having none of it.

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly a believer of energy and spirits.

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Speaker 4: I wish as you know, as my dear best friend

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Speaker 4: a house that was built in seventeen ninety nine in

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Speaker 4: And I was surprised there weren't more actual ghostly experiences

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Speaker 4: Remember one time, well many times, I was like, I

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Speaker 4: And then after my grandfather committed suicide, my father took

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Speaker 4: we can't there's all these Indian relics, some buried on

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I did have a few experiences, which we all did

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Speaker 4: What do you expect, Like you've lived here for forty

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Speaker 4: My family thought there was a ghost for years, but

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Speaker 4: and this also lines up if anyone's doing a podcast

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Speaker 4: because I set things on fire that I guess it

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Speaker 1: I set a field on fire. But that's that's for

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Speaker 1: another day.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a great podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, I'm doing kids. It's perfect for star burns.

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Speaker 4: We learned this thing you've believed for decades is a lie.

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Speaker 4: I don't know they did it to the grandmother. Yes,

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Speaker 1: In my sister's dreams.

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Speaker 4: Because my sister, my older sister Anne, who you've met,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm on TV, y'all ring ding did little ing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what you did when you walked

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Speaker 4: Basically, now, you acted today as if I had become

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Speaker 2: You did just kind of up.

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Speaker 1: I operated like Harry Potter. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you have a ghost story, yes, let's hear it.

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Speaker 4: Well, this was in nineteen ninety or ninety one, and

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Speaker 2: Around one day, like they already lived there.

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Speaker 4: They like, it's slowly they lived there. They lived there

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Speaker 4: I'd been wet many times, nothing, so the chairs would

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Speaker 1: They were like, it's a poltergeist. There's a spirit here.

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Speaker 1: We're being haunted.

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Speaker 4: The stuff is moving around, and it became just kind

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Speaker 2: That's one of my questions for a paranormal expert. Why

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Speaker 4: Where spirit's feeling boom in the night and things that,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not a ghost yet.

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Speaker 1: While they were sleeping.

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Speaker 4: Because Debbie's bedroom was first in the hallway and then

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Speaker 2: So what was the noise that they were hearing?

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Speaker 1: This ghost would come?

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Speaker 2: Wait, and what was the noise that you heard when

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Speaker 1: I can't It was like this whisper would whisper in

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Speaker 2: Like your face when you do it, and I wish

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Speaker 1: You take a pictures.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be such a good ghost.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to haunt the fah fuck out of you.

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Speaker 4: Thing about the one at my family's house is what

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Speaker 4: So then I went over one time and they were

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Speaker 4: I don't know why I remember that, but a do

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Speaker 1: The classes moved around the table and she's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So he's a hem.

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Speaker 1: Well, they they said it was a hymn.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why at this point they thought it

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Speaker 4: But then it got so annoying and went on for

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So there was a woman who died of cancer,

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Speaker 4: then within that same month, a younger guy slipped and

439
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Speaker 4: fell on the shower.

440
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: And hit his head and died. Oh my god.

441
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 4: And the people, the cancer guy and the woman, the

442
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 4: woman with cancer, and the husband who survived the cancer

443
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 4: then committed suicide.

444
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Speaker 1: I live right below them.

445
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Speaker 4: That's I might be a little off on that, but

446
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 4: it was one of the one of the people lived

447
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 4: that died lived right below them, And so I think

448
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 4: that they Jony and Debbie already knew that and suspected

449
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 4: that's what was up. And then when they had this

450
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 4: woman come to the house to perform a ceremony, she

451
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 4: said she spoke to the spirit. They had to They

452
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Speaker 4: took salt and you'd pour salt along the bottom of

453
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Speaker 4: all the doors, you know, the door jams and the windowsills.

454
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Speaker 1: And you wrap.

455
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Speaker 4: This is the first time I heard about wrapping a

456
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 4: space in ribbons of white light. They all laid on

457
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 4: the ground with their heads together. They wrapped the apartment

458
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Speaker 4: in ribbons.

459
00:22:59,119 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: And white light.

460
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Speaker 4: What mean you just vision white light going throughout the apartment?

461
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 4: Ribbons of white light or just you know, giant balls

462
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: of white light.

463
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how you slice your

464
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: white light. You just gotta smear it all over the apartment?

465
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Speaker 2: Is there pepper?

466
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: Pep? Sultan peppers?

467
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Speaker 2: Here?

468
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: And where an effect? Want you to push it? Good?

469
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Speaker 2: Okay?

470
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: Playing by day and by and by night, working up

471
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Speaker 1: a sweat.

472
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: Hmm okay, so go back so this way.

473
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 4: Then the woman who was doing this ceremony spoke to

474
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Speaker 4: the spirit and it was indeed the man of the

475
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 4: woman who died, because the woman who died had red

476
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Speaker 4: hair like Joni had red hair. And they were the husband,

477
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 4: the husband, yeah, the husband of the wife that died.

478
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 4: It was the husband doing it because Joni reminded him

479
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Speaker 4: of the wife who died. And I guess he was

480
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 4: trapped there in his grief and sadness. And then they

481
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 4: asked him to leave and go.

482
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Speaker 1: Where was his apartment below below them?

483
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Speaker 4: Is my understanding? I mean again, it's been like twenty

484
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 4: more than twenty five years. But yeah, and then he

485
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 4: he went a way and they never had a problem again.

486
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: That is so scary to think that a ghost can

487
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: not even die in your specific home but still find

488
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: its way into your life, and that is a thing.

489
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think it's the energies of he was

490
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: drawn to Joni's spirit. Joni was and still is very bright,

491
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 4: and she's very beautiful and charming and bubbling, vivacious.

492
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: She's French and Puerto Rican. She's from Miami.

493
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 4: She's hilarious, she's like fun loving, she laughs a lot.

494
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 4: She's got a very strong positive energy. And maybe he

495
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 4: was drawn to that, that's my guess, especially if you

496
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 4: are a spirit who's grieving, you know, I don't know.

497
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're still a person that's very interested in ghosts.

498
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: And the two of us actually went on a ghost tour.

499
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Speaker 1: In San Francisco. Oh my god, that was so fun.

500
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Speaker 1: We went, we Daily Recommend a couple of.

501
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: Years ago to San Francisco, not really for any specific reason.

502
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Speaker 2: I don't think. We just wanted to get out of

503
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Speaker 2: town fulsome oh and go to the fulsome street fair, which.

504
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Speaker 1: And my friend Lauren lives up there and we stayed

505
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Speaker 1: with her.

506
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, okay, And we ended up just going

507
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: up there. We got to the Fulsome Street Fair, which

508
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Speaker 2: if you don't know, it's like a big S and

509
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: M jamboree. And we were about fifteen minutes into people

510
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: hanging from the sky with wrapped in rope like a

511
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: rotisserie chicken or.

512
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: A giant pen filled with adult babies.

513
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were adult babies. Or that's for a

514
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: different parts indeed. But I think the highlight of our

515
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 2: trip was this ghost tour that we just just decided

516
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: last minute, I think, just to do.

517
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Speaker 1: You must have found it online. That sounds like me,

518
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: it's very much you.

519
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 4: They start out as the Queen Anne Hotel. Think it's

520
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 4: called and look it up, it's called San Francisco Ghost.

521
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: Tour, right, ghost hunt maybe ghost hunt.

522
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: And it was this man that was such a great character.

523
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: Such a character.

524
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 4: He looks like one of the three grinning ghosts with

525
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 4: the lanterns as you get in the haunted mansion, like.

526
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: He was full regalia regales and he had a top

527
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: pat and what do you like a lantern? Lantern like lantern?

528
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we.

529
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: Well We started out in this old hotel that I

530
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 2: can't remember the story.

531
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Speaker 1: There were a lot of story. There was a lot

532
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: of stories, a lot of.

533
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 4: Orbs had been seen there. We got to explore the hotel.

534
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: I don't know what the people staying there would would

535
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 4: think about.

536
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 2: That, could you imagine? And then we walked around the neighborhood,

537
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: the specific part of San Francisco.

538
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: Pacific Heights mostly heights.

539
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he would tell us ghost stories.

540
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Speaker 1: It was so good. Also, remember it was a full moon.

541
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Speaker 1: It was this time. It was like September.

542
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: That's right, like I think, like fifteen, twenty fifteen, I

543
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 4: feel right.

544
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the guy he told us a story about

545
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: a woman that dabbled in.

546
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: The voodoo arts. That had she just dabbled. I think

547
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: she was full on voodoo priestess.

548
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: Ould voodoo priests his status. And she lived in this house.

549
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 4: She moved from New Orleans or the South to this

550
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 4: Houth house and Pacific Heights, which isn't there anymore. And

551
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: she became the wealthiest African American woman in history, I

552
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: think even before Madam C. J. Walker, who was the

553
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 4: I think the first African American female billionaire from hair

554
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 4: products I think this woman predated her, and she was

555
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 4: and she also kind of ran the town too.

556
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think she was good like I think

557
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: she was a good Yes, it's yeah. Because he had

558
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: this little item, Greek gree doll.

559
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: He had this little thing made of straw and it

560
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 4: had in his hand. He said it had been like

561
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 4: from something on the property. And we got to each

562
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 4: hold it make a wish.

563
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: And then he held it.

564
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 4: He did a few tricks. Remember the thing with the

565
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 4: key that was close up magic, because it was extremely convincing.

566
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: At one of the stops, at the one of the

567
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 4: houses he talked about he had this key and we

568
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 4: all stared out for so long it started to move around.

569
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: Do you think that was probably magnets or something. It

570
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: was very convincing.

571
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been I've been to many birthday parties

572
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: in my day.

573
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: Well, aren't you popular?

574
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: I have very well known on the circuit of slight

575
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: of hand magic.

576
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: Party clown slight of hand circuit. That's your that's your arena.

577
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

578
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 4: But at the Voodoo Lady's house, he had this little

579
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 4: like straw made little doll, like little tiny figure, remember, huh,

580
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 4: And we all got to make a wish and then

581
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 4: at the end of it, it danced around in his hand.

582
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 4: It was now, it was dark, it was night, it

583
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 4: was a full moon. We were under those trees where

584
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 4: people got hanged.

585
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: It was just give us those.

586
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: Little, very dried out mushrooms to chew on before Yeah, yeah,

587
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 2: that was like a And then the lady started dancing.

588
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, she started dancing, and all the I was staring

589
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: at all the stars on your blouse, and they started moving,

590
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: and then the trees gave me a kiss.

591
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: And literally the two of us were like, we should

592
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: do a podcast.

593
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: We didn't do it. We didn't do mushrooms though. We

594
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: didn't do mushrooms, not that night.

595
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: I don't remember how little doll dancing.

596
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 4: But that little thing he had in his hand that

597
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 4: we all made a wish on, it spun around in

598
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: his hand like.

599
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: That he did.

600
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 4: I distinctly remember that. And then here's the thing, and

601
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: this is so like, proves what Hollywood trash I am.

602
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: I literally hadn't worked in a minute, and I do

603
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: you remember this?

604
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: And I made the wish. I was like, what, I'll

605
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: get back to town within a week. I want to

606
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: get a job offer for something. And within almost It.

607
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: Was exactly a week because we did that on a Friday,

608
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 4: and I went to this play a week later, ran

609
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: to this with the casting people at NBC and she

610
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 4: was like, oh, we have an offer oute to you,

611
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: and I got this recurring part. And then the when

612
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 4: I did the first recurring part, it was the show was.

613
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: Canceled the next week.

614
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Speaker 4: I should have made it a more bullet proof wish

615
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: I was.

616
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: I was specific. I needed to be more elaborate, more detailed.

617
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I've been ghosted too. Okay, So I

618
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: asked people on my social media at ros dress for les,

619
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: but you already follow me. I asked people, Hey, do

620
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: you have ghost stories? Send them to me and we're

621
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: gonna talk about them on the air.

622
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: Cool.

623
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: So here's one that I got from a gale named Tracy.

624
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: Hey Tracey, she says, Hey, this is my experience with

625
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: a ghost who I named Victor. I feel like a

626
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: ghost would not like it if you give them a

627
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: name that they don't.

628
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: I feel like if I were a guy I was

629
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: a ghost, I wouldn't I'd be so mad. No, first

630
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: of all, don't miss gender me and don't misname me.

631
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I lived in a really old and rundown building

632
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: that was built in nineteen hundred. When I moved in,

633
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: a neighbor told me that there were spirits in my apartment.

634
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: The neighbor told me that there were spirits in my

635
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: apartment and that I should sage it. That's so scary

636
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: to think, like when a neighbor like warns you I

637
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: was living with my axe and didn't feel anything, But

638
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: then wait, she didn't feel anything with the axe, or

639
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: she didn't feel anything whatever. I was with my axe

640
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 2: and I didn't feel anything. But then they moved out,

641
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: and I immediately felt the energy in the apartment shift.

642
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: One night, I woke up in the middle of the

643
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: night and saw a shadowy figure at the foot of

644
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: my bed. I was scared, but told myself it wasn't

645
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: real and forced myself to go back to sleep. A

646
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: few nights later. A few nights later, while I was asleep,

647
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: I felt something brush up against my foot, but made

648
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: myself put it out of my mind. This happened a

649
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: few more times over the course of a few weeks,

650
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: where I felt something lightly touch my foot. A few

651
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: nights later, I was awoken by my sheets and blankets

652
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: being peeled off my.

653
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: Feet like in that video we saw.

654
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't like that, one by one, and

655
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: then my feet being robbed. Okay, that sounds nice.

656
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: Rubbed or robbed rubbed? Oh, her feet were robbed, they

657
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: were removed from me, burglarized.

658
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: I would love a ghost to rub my feet, you know,

659
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: the heel anywhere.

660
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't know the ghosts.

661
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: Their hands are the same in the dark, you know,

662
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: I say that all the time.

663
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: Gross.

664
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: It was so scary. I still think about it to

665
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: this day, and I can't find a logical explanation for

666
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: why that would happen. I started sleeping scrunched in a

667
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 2: ball or on an angle so that my feet wouldn't

668
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: hang over the edge. Then I found a new apartment.

669
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: The end, the end again with the nighttime. I just

670
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: don't want to be disturbed when I'm sleeping.

671
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: You have that thing where like you can't sleep with

672
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: your feet out of the covers, Because I.

673
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: Still have that, I kind of don't.

674
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like.

675
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: Half dumb covered up.

676
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 4: And if it happens at night and I don't know

677
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: about it, which is rare, it's fine, but like I

678
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: can't just have that.

679
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: Something's gonna grab it. Yeah, that's true.

680
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: Isn't that funny that we think that, because that's probably

681
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking the whole time when I'm covering my feet. Okay,

682
00:32:53,080 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: here's another one. This one comes to us from Lindsey.

683
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: So this isn't necessarily a ghost story, but scary as

684
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: all get out. When I was ten, my mom went

685
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: back to school to get her PhD in anthropology. Her

686
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: first term at school, she came home after a long

687
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: day and crashed in bed. Being a ten year old,

688
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: scaredy cat, I slept in the room with her. She

689
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: was awoken in the middle of the night by a

690
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: man standing at the foot of her bed, wearing interesting

691
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: clothes and speaking to her, but she couldn't understand him. Naturally,

692
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: she was super spooked and shook me awake so that

693
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: we could escape from the intruder. When she looked back

694
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: to the spot, he had disappeared without a trace. Months later,

695
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: she was doing field work for the first time in

696
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: a central African village. Who did she see.

697
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: But the same man in her room.

698
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: Ma. When she asked her interpreter who it was, he

699
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: said quietly, that's a well known sorcerer. He's a powerful

700
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: and dangerous man and is known to jump through people's dreams.

701
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: It's like the isn't that wow?

702
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: Who are these dream jumpers?

703
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: Well? Her name Sarah. She lives in eastern Washington.

704
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: Oh that the shaman.

705
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: I think that's her name.

706
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: Can I put a sheet over you and say a spell?

707
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: Real quick?

708
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: Sure?

709
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: Okay? So one last thing that I want to do

710
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: before we go is I want to play a fun

711
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: little game called e VP's or ev please girl, EVP

712
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: or ev please. So if you don't know what an

713
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: ev P is, it is electronic voice phenomenon. It's that

714
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: thing that they do on those a lot of those

715
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: ghost shows and everything's in that green filter because it's nighttime,

716
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: and then there's a lot of something just touched me

717
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: night vision, and then they do this thing where they

718
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 2: record voices and.

719
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes another really sad.

720
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: I don't know voices is the word i'd use, but

721
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: sometimes they sound pretty pretty active.

722
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 4: They just they don't they sound paranormal. They don't sound normal.

723
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: That's true.

724
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: Para means what more than U spirit.

725
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 2: It means for in Spanish.

726
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: Oh see, I know, So it's for normal, okay, for

727
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: the normals.

728
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: So this first one, this was posted on YouTube by

729
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: an account named Spirit Investigators. This is from years ago,

730
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: twenty ten. They posted this. It was in a church.

731
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: Several settings of an apparition of a woman had been reported,

732
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: along with paranormal activity predominating predominating in a particular room

733
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: at the site. Okay, we decided to set up our

734
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: equipment there in order to investigate. What you are about

735
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: to hear will amaze you. So it starts out with

736
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: an investigator saying, Meredith, did you used to go to

737
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: church here? And this is what they hear? E merediths

738
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: those directs here? Okay, Now I'm gonna have I'm gonna

739
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: play it again for you, and I want you to

740
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: guess what Meredith said.

741
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: Okay, here one more time.

742
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: E merediths, do those directs here? One more time?

743
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: I want a shasta.

744
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 2: That's a good guess. I'll give you a couple of options.

745
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: Was it A I wrote on Catfish you know that

746
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 2: TV show?

747
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: Okay?

748
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: Was it B? I can vogue like Catness you know

749
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: Catenus Aberdeen.

750
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: Picture of I've read the books, I've seen the movies.

751
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: Was your submission? See I I want a shasta?

752
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: I want a shasta?

753
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: Or D and yes, it definitely was d I'm a

754
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: Roman Catholic. She used to go to church there, she's

755
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: a Roman Catholic. Okay, I mean I didn't really let

756
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: you guess, but no, you didn't.

757
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 4: You can hear it, Oh, I can hear that. But

758
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 4: I mean it's that thing of like, I'm not doubting

759
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: that it's not a spirit. And Merits didn't say that.

760
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, who decided that's what she said? Because

761
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: we've seen these ghosts shows.

762
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: It investigators on YouTube did.

763
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: But you and I have watched those things that were

764
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: like did you hear that? They said no?

765
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: Or that?

766
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: Once John Rivers was like, I'm hot. It's hot here,

767
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 4: like who it can be? It's open to interpretation.

768
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, however, I will say this.

769
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 4: It's a voice from the other side of of the

770
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 4: you know, the veil. It don't sound like a person.

771
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: Here is one more and this I believe was taken

772
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: in a club. It says during remodeling of the current site,

773
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: workers witnessed a full body apparition of a girl in

774
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: a white dress that walked through the wall and vanished.

775
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: Historical research revealed that there had been a tragedy of

776
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: several fatalities on the original site, and this is what

777
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: they hear. It starts with someone saying, do you have

778
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: names you can give us?

779
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: Okay, that's very brief.

780
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: We're gonna listen one more time. Let's hear what those

781
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 2: names were. Okay, let's listen one more time. You have Okay,

782
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: this time, I'm gonna read all four options. Was it

783
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: so they say, do you have names you can give us?

784
00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 2: Was it a now you howe? Was it B Joe

785
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 2: and Clarissa see Dory Tell's or was it Dr Mark?

786
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was d.

787
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: It was actually B Joe and Clarissa.

788
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: I assume that's what it was going to be answer

789
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 4: because it's it's those are names, But who decides it's

790
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 4: Joe and Clarissa?

791
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: Were those people in question? Were they like looking for

792
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: Joe Clarissa?

793
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: I think that they must have been looking for Joe

794
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: and Clarissa, and so I like to think they found it.

795
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: That's a little bit please please, please, Well, Sam, we're

796
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: about at that point where we have to wrap things up.

797
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere.

798
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: Final question, My final question for are you when you die,

799
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: will you visit me?

800
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 4: If I'm able to make your life, assuming you die

801
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 4: before me. If I'm able to make your life, well,

802
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 4: I'm creeping toward the end of my days.

803
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: Let's face a look at me.

804
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: If I'm able to make if I'm able to come

805
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 4: back and make your life just a little bit more difficult,

806
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 4: I certainly will.

807
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: I don't think that's possible.

808
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: Amen, Sam, Tell everyone where they can find you.

809
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: On Instagram, you can find me at the Sam Pancake

810
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: and on Twitter you can find me at j Sam

811
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: Pancake and you can.

812
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: Follow me on Facebook.

813
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 4: Also, if you could listen to my podcast called Sam

814
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 4: Panic Presents the Monday Afternoon Movie And.

815
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: Sometimes there's kind of spooky movies that you.

816
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: They're aw kabooky.

817
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there are spooky.

818
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 4: There are horror and supernatural movies, TV movies. In the

819
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 4: nineteen seventies, you did the podcast often featuring almost always

820
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 4: featuring a female lead.

821
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love doing it.

822
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for listening. As always, I

823
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: want to hear your ghost stories. So here's how you

824
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: can get them to me. Please write a review. Give

825
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 2: me five stars first, so or I'm not reading your story.

826
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: You gotta give me five stars first. If you like

827
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Speaker 2: the show, if you didn't like the show, you wouldn't

828
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: care about me reading, so anyway, give me five stars

829
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Speaker 2: please on Apple Podcasts, on Stitcher, on Himalaya or anywhere

830
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Speaker 2: that podcasts are found in any place you could give

831
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: me a fabulous rating. And I want to read your

832
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: story on the air in a future episode. Also, if

833
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: you have had an EVP experience, if you have captured

834
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: the voice of a ghost, send it to me at

835
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. Be sure to

836
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: tell me a little bit of a backstory and what

837
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: you think the ghost said, and me and my guests

838
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: will try to figure out if that's true or not.

839
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: Please help my childhood dream come true of becoming an

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Speaker 2: Instagram celebrity by following me at Roz dres Falleise on Instagram.

841
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Speaker 2: I'm also on Twitter. I have a Facebook page. You

842
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: can find out some live appearances on there as well.

843
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 2: I love you all so much, Thank you for listening,

844
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: both living people and dead people. You mean the world

845
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: to me. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,

846
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: don't haunt me. Gay back