Speaker 1: Football Club Cowboys.
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Speaker 4: Tidday, Any patient.
Speaker 5: And now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Nick Harris, John Mashoda,
Speaker 5: and Kyle Yeomans.
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Speaker 2: Welcome into the SWBC studios, like the big voice, man,
Speaker 2: said Isaiah stand Back, John Machoda, Nick Harris, I'm Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 1: Gentlemen. How are we doing here on this Thursday?
Speaker 6: Doing good? Can't complain? Yeah, just two more days. We're
Speaker 6: out to Arizona. I'm gonna see the kle Williams Show
Speaker 6: on Saturday night and then see the Michael Parsons Show
Speaker 6: on Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1: Did you get an invite to that? I did not.
Speaker 7: I don't get invites, Kyle.
Speaker 1: Did you get one? John?
Speaker 4: I didn't, But I've thought about going to that.
Speaker 1: Oh you should.
Speaker 8: That line keeps going up somewhere. I'm like, is this
Speaker 8: even going to be competitive?
Speaker 7: But maybe?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 9: Did you have to go see the second best quarterback
Speaker 9: in the Pac twelve. Yeah, maybe even a third.
Speaker 6: Doors pretty good.
Speaker 2: Ward at a Door has been good. Ward at Washington
Speaker 2: State has been really good.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean offense, it's in the whole pack twelve
Speaker 9: and oh we got the whole country.
Speaker 6: You're right, Washing has been great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go koops.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's rough.
Speaker 1: I've always been a Wazu guy, always been.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just like the I like the logo where they
Speaker 1: got a cool logo.
Speaker 8: When I think State, I think of those people because
Speaker 8: it's not one person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the random guy or the draft pick.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 8: That in the back of college game day for the
Speaker 8: longest time, you always have like flag watched Crimson to
Speaker 8: the point where they did like a feature on it
Speaker 8: about how like they it's mailed to you know, whatever
Speaker 8: city it's going to be in so that it can
Speaker 8: always be up in the background. Because it's one of
Speaker 8: those things where, I mean, game day was was not
Speaker 8: going to cover a Washington State game, but that flag
Speaker 8: was always in the background on the highest flag pole
Speaker 8: and behind every single set of every college game day
Speaker 8: that I watched in the nineties.
Speaker 9: I thought, when you thought about Washington State. You thought
Speaker 9: about Ryan Leaf. That's what I thought you guys were going.
Speaker 8: I'm serious that second behind the flag, the flag, and
Speaker 8: it really is you got.
Speaker 1: You got to respect the loyalty. You got to I.
Speaker 7: Don't understand why there's loyalty. How that started? Have you
Speaker 7: even been to the police?
Speaker 1: No? Yeah, no, I.
Speaker 8: Mean I've been a lot of colleg football stadiums, and
Speaker 8: but you don't want to go to that one.
Speaker 4: It's not list not on not on the one.
Speaker 1: The University of Washington on the list. You know, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty I've been there. Most seen in the country
Speaker 1: every year.
Speaker 6: Is one of the most difficult college towns to get to.
Speaker 6: Fly to Seattle.
Speaker 1: They make it difficult because nobody wants to go here.
Speaker 6: Whenever I think it's like four and a half.
Speaker 1: Whenever I talk to WHOA.
Speaker 6: Whenever I would talk to recruits, whenever they took an
Speaker 6: official visit to Washington State, they'd be like, yeah, I
Speaker 6: was done before I even got there.
Speaker 7: Oh I that's rough.
Speaker 1: Let's talk some news and notes around the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Of course, they were back on the practice field yesterday
Speaker 2: Nick and some injury updates from Mike McCarthy a couple
Speaker 2: guys that look like they're on their way back and
Speaker 2: trending in the right direction. Then Zach Martin was inactive yesterday,
Speaker 2: did not practice because of an ankle. It's that same
Speaker 2: ankle that he practiced with last week. But any case,
Speaker 2: we'll start with Zach Martin just because that's the biggest
Speaker 2: name on the list. But any cause for concern on
Speaker 2: him missing practice on Wednesday.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think so. I think they're just giving
Speaker 6: him a day off there. I would expect the same
Speaker 6: today and or a limited fashion. I don't see him
Speaker 6: missing Sunday as of right now. I always heard it
Speaker 6: from Mike McCarthy, We've heard it from Jerry Jones, and
Speaker 6: we heard it from Zach after the game on Sunday.
Speaker 6: I don't think this is going to keep him out
Speaker 6: for a game. That's just me theorizing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, pretty wild to think that how long they've gone
Speaker 8: without having their best five. I mean it's that Niners
Speaker 8: playoff game at at and T Stadium. Is the last
Speaker 8: time you know, when they had Leyle Collins and Terren
Speaker 8: Steele both playing like right tackle.
Speaker 4: They're both available for that game.
Speaker 8: Since then, there's not because all of last season when
Speaker 8: they didn't have Tyron Smith, they had Terrence Steele, and
Speaker 8: then when Terrence Steele went out, then they had Tyron
Speaker 8: Smith and so and then obviously the way they.
Speaker 4: Started this season out Tyler Smith.
Speaker 8: So we're talking over six hundred days since you've had
Speaker 8: your you know, best five able to go out onto
Speaker 8: the field. So, yeah, I agree with you. I'd be
Speaker 8: surprised if zachamiss this game. I think it was to
Speaker 8: give him some extra arrest. And for Mike McCarthy always
Speaker 8: talks about how important that Saturday practice is. As long
Speaker 8: as he's in on that, I think all systems are
Speaker 8: going there and they'll have that best five out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just bubble wrap them and get him into to Sunday,
Speaker 2: get him the Sunday, make sure that he's good to
Speaker 2: go at three twenty five.
Speaker 8: I mean, watching that game over it does have it
Speaker 8: does remind me how much it must suck sometimes to
Speaker 8: play on the offensive line.
Speaker 4: When you're just like, I'm blocking, I'm doing a great job.
Speaker 4: Everything's going great, We're blowing this team out.
Speaker 8: Somebody rolls up on the mat and you don't see
Speaker 8: it coming, you don't know where it's and then just
Speaker 8: like like, I mean, just the way he fell down
Speaker 8: multiple times and then just like fought to get back up,
Speaker 8: Like it's like thea out.
Speaker 2: I imagine that's exactly what goes through Zach's head whenever
Speaker 2: he's blocking.
Speaker 1: Everything's going great, this is so easy.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to drive this guy ten yards in
Speaker 2: the field.
Speaker 1: Got him?
Speaker 2: Uh So, Tyler Smith trending in the right direction, though,
Speaker 2: you expect him to go on Sunday.
Speaker 6: I think all five will be upfront on Sunday. Knock on.
Speaker 6: We're gonna knock on this every single day. And it's
Speaker 6: the offensive line. Woodplank, that's what that's what.
Speaker 7: A wood plank. Can just put it in here.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think all five will be up front
Speaker 6: on Sunday against Arizona for the first time ever.
Speaker 2: That's huge and we I mean Mike McCarthy's talked about
Speaker 2: it that the cohesion on the offensive line, the consistency
Speaker 2: of the same group up front is imperative. And going
Speaker 2: off of what John just said, I mean, six hundred
Speaker 2: plus days two years since you have had that best five,
Speaker 2: what what does that.
Speaker 1: Do for a quarter?
Speaker 2: I mean, what was that due for Dak Prescott knowing
Speaker 2: that you've got your best five upfront. Just from a
Speaker 2: mentality standpoint, I mean, it gives.
Speaker 9: You more confidence obviously when you have your best guys
Speaker 9: out there. But I don't think in this particular offense
Speaker 9: that he's too bothered by it because he's not holding
Speaker 9: the ball a ton. I think Tony Poler will probably
Speaker 9: be the happiest person on earth going to this game.
Speaker 1: He's the real benefactor.
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I was about to piggyback off that and say the
Speaker 6: exact same thing. Two point nine yards per carry for
Speaker 6: Tony on Sunday. I think he will be the happiest
Speaker 6: man in the room.
Speaker 2: Win all five go up front, especially if Zach's fully
Speaker 2: ready to go and you have Tyler Smith fully ready
Speaker 2: to go. That's some strength up front. Tyron Smith had
Speaker 2: one of the highest PFF grades in terms of run
Speaker 2: blocking in the most recent matchup, So I mean, if
Speaker 2: he's healthy, he's still Tyron Smith, which is phenomenal to see.
Speaker 2: What about Donovan Wilson switching the defensive side of the
Speaker 2: ball and jay Ron Curse both on the injury report,
Speaker 2: any concerns around what they're doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it sounds like Jayron Curse is battling an illness.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's anything that would keep him out
Speaker 6: of a game at this point, and then Donovan Wilson
Speaker 6: slow ramping him back up, getting him back into you know,
Speaker 6: game routine, game speed. I don't think he'll have a
Speaker 6: large part in the game if he plays on Sunday.
Speaker 6: I don't think you need him right now. If it
Speaker 6: were me, i'd keep him out one more week and
Speaker 6: then let him let him roll against New England. But
Speaker 6: you know, we'll see what happens as the week goes on.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I could see him maybe like the Jordan Lewis
Speaker 8: situation where he's on kind of a little pitch count
Speaker 8: just to kind of get him back out there. But
Speaker 8: I'd be surprised if he played the full game. But
Speaker 8: he seems like he's pretty close to getting back out there.
Speaker 8: And the same with Jay Runkerts. I think it's just
Speaker 8: it's an illness, not anything that's as Lisa is right
Speaker 8: now that would keep him out of the game.
Speaker 1: Just just Joe Burrow situation make you pump breaks a little.
Speaker 6: Bit, yes for me, at least in the Aaron Rodgers situation, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Both of them just having the reaggravation of an injury.
Speaker 6: Yeah, specifically that calf.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now, Joe Kevin Durant. For me, that's true.
Speaker 8: That's always the one I think of Kevin Durant when
Speaker 8: he had that. He had the calf, and then and
Speaker 8: then the achilles right after that. Because it was in
Speaker 8: the playoffs, they wanted to come back out there. Obviously
Speaker 8: he wanted to play at least, I think. And then
Speaker 8: I'll always remember that one because it's the one where
Speaker 8: again they're wearing shorts, so you could see on the
Speaker 8: replay you were like, yeah.
Speaker 4: That's not good.
Speaker 2: I mean with at least with Joe Burrow's case. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not severe reaggravation, but it could be severe if
Speaker 2: he continues to push it as the season goes along.
Speaker 1: Why do you make that foot because calves suck.
Speaker 9: Calves are like hamstrings, and you can't do anything without
Speaker 9: your calfs, especially at the quarterback position or the deepest
Speaker 9: back position or any position.
Speaker 1: Yeah downhill, you know, you can't just tape it up.
Speaker 9: So, I mean, there's there's a lot of a lot
Speaker 9: of moving parts in there, and so when you piss
Speaker 9: it off, you got to chill on it for a while,
Speaker 9: and you have to do constant work on it and
Speaker 9: scar tissue, making sure nothing's being bound down.
Speaker 7: It's a it's a pain in the butt.
Speaker 8: And then it probably also I would think as a
Speaker 8: quarterback limits your thought of running or moving as much.
Speaker 8: You probably wanted to stay in the pocket more to that,
Speaker 8: and you don't want to limit somebody as talented as
Speaker 8: Joe Burn.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, but you're staying on the balls your feet.
Speaker 9: That's what's the thing about this sport, right unless you're
Speaker 9: a office alignment and you know you're on the balls
Speaker 9: of your feet for everything that you do, so your
Speaker 9: calf is activated like and dependent upon heavily. So it's
Speaker 9: just it's a bad situation. I would play it super cautious,
Speaker 9: super good, you know, safe. I would just be safe
Speaker 9: as I'll get out and you know, Joe Burrow, your boy,
Speaker 9: oh Will Grier might get get a shot here sooner
Speaker 9: or later out there.
Speaker 8: I will say, I do think that they've tried to
Speaker 8: be as safe as they can with Donovan up to
Speaker 8: this point too, because you think about when this happened.
Speaker 8: This is like right at the start of training camp.
Speaker 8: So I remember thinking at that time, like, oh, is
Speaker 8: this something like he's gonna be back in like a
Speaker 8: couple of weeks, and we didn't see him again on
Speaker 8: the field until other than doing chords and things like that.
Speaker 8: So I think they are, to your point, trying to
Speaker 8: give as much time as possible for sure, as.
Speaker 9: They helped out a lot of tensions being placed on
Speaker 9: calves in the NFL right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think, And Mike McCarthy's talked about it too,
Speaker 2: with Donovan and Wilson being closer than Tyler Smith. If
Speaker 2: Tyler Smith's going to go, I think Donovan Wilson's well
Speaker 2: ready for it.
Speaker 1: We talked about it even last week.
Speaker 2: Do you let him sit because he did enter practice,
Speaker 2: he didn't put the pads on last week, he was
Speaker 2: limited throughout, but do you sit about one more week
Speaker 2: if he's not ready? Of course, they did end up
Speaker 2: doing that, so I think at least at this point,
Speaker 2: like you said, the way that they've handled it with
Speaker 2: caution from the very beginning, it looks like he's going
Speaker 2: to be good to go heading into Sunday.
Speaker 1: Now, there's plenty to talk about.
Speaker 2: Of course, Today we're going to preview the Cowboys offense
Speaker 2: versus the Cardinals, defense. But I want to talk about
Speaker 2: some of these role players on the defensive side of
Speaker 2: the football first, some of the guys that with Donovan
Speaker 2: Wilson returning, how will their roles change and either diminish
Speaker 2: or increase throughout the season. Starting with Marquis Bell. I mean,
Speaker 2: Bell's come in, he's kind of been the enforcer. He's
Speaker 2: played down a little bit at linebacker with some of
Speaker 2: the injuries upfront. Do you think that who do you
Speaker 2: think's role changes, Markuspell or wan Ye Thomas more with
Speaker 2: the return of Donovan.
Speaker 8: Wi Honestly I think both, Yeah, because you're not taking
Speaker 8: Jay run off the field, You're not taking Leak Hooker
Speaker 8: off the field, You're not taking Layton Vanderscher off the field,
Speaker 8: You're not taking Damont Clark off the field. And so
Speaker 8: Donovan Wilson fits in somewhere in there. But then that's
Speaker 8: their thing about what's been so great about dan Quinn
Speaker 8: is that he has different game plans week to week.
Speaker 8: And so I say that as a whole, like, after
Speaker 8: you look at it several games and you look back, like, Okay,
Speaker 8: who's tutored down? Have been take snaps away from I
Speaker 8: think it'll be those two.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would lean wan Ye, but I'm with John.
Speaker 6: It's both both of those guys have been able to
Speaker 6: kind of fill in for that role here in these
Speaker 6: first two weeks, and we saw them kind of a
Speaker 6: toy with those roles during training cam or excuse me,
Speaker 6: during preseason as well. So I think Wanye just a
Speaker 6: little bit more, just because I feel like he has
Speaker 6: more of that defensive backfield tendency right now. Whereas Bell,
Speaker 6: they've been highlighting him in the second level. He's working
Speaker 6: with the linebackers, it's been a little bit different. I
Speaker 6: think he's eventually going to carve a role there where
Speaker 6: he can rotate it more with a second level rather
Speaker 6: than Donovan in the backfield. So I lean Wanye, but
Speaker 6: both for sure.
Speaker 7: Tuche touche touch.
Speaker 2: Now, what about on the second level with guys like
Speaker 2: the Moon, clark in Leyton Vanderest. I mean, those the
Speaker 2: two guys are pretty much solid in terms of the
Speaker 2: roles that they're gonna have. But do you have anybody
Speaker 2: on that second level that has to step up and
Speaker 2: continue to take a step forward now with without having
Speaker 2: to rotate down Marki's Bell with having Donovan Wilson now
Speaker 2: come in the fold. Who else do you need to
Speaker 2: step up at that second level at the linebacker spot.
Speaker 1: Nobody.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't see anything that's glaring right now.
Speaker 8: It would have been interesting, though, if Overshown stays healthy,
Speaker 8: because you can only play eleven players on the field,
Speaker 8: and he was trending in a direction where you were
Speaker 8: not going to want to take him off the field.
Speaker 8: So I think that would have played a little bit
Speaker 8: more into it. But there's just a lot of proven
Speaker 8: guys in this defense that I'm trying to keep them
Speaker 8: on the field as much as possible.
Speaker 2: I just think it's wild that you're running right now
Speaker 2: with two linebackers. I mean, that's kind of what you're
Speaker 2: running with. You're you're running with Layton Van Derush and
Speaker 2: Dumont Clark. And that's kind of why I asked the question,
Speaker 2: is there's nobody else there? I mean, the only other
Speaker 2: linebacker on the entire roster is Devin Harper, and Devin
Speaker 2: Harper has been special teams almost.
Speaker 8: I mean, I feel they look at it that way though,
Speaker 8: I mean, just watching some of those drills in practice
Speaker 8: and that he's down there with with the linebackers. I
Speaker 8: think because of the overshown injury. That's the way they
Speaker 8: view him.
Speaker 1: Now, that's it still is wild. Like you said, it's
Speaker 1: the way. It's a very non traditional def what would
Speaker 1: you what would you call it?
Speaker 2: Is it? I mean, is it a true it's like
Speaker 2: a four to two pretty much for two? Yeah, four
Speaker 2: two big nickel, that's I mean, it's like a base
Speaker 2: big nickel. Now though, like that's not a rotating in
Speaker 2: sort of view it is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 8: Unfortunately with football, how it trickles up like it doesn't
Speaker 8: trickle down. It's like it starts at you know, high school,
Speaker 8: college level, and then that stuff becomes such a norm
Speaker 8: that it's like, well, yeah, if we're going to do
Speaker 8: this and be successful in the pros, this is what
Speaker 8: these guys are doing. We have to adapt to some
Speaker 8: of this. And the game is obviously changed with all
Speaker 8: the everyone's spread out like that. So that's why it
Speaker 8: feeds into that. It's also why, unfortunately, you know, the
Speaker 8: salaries for running backs have gone down themself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it'll turn around. It'll always flip. It's got
Speaker 2: ebbs and flows back and forth.
Speaker 6: Running back may not I'll say this, if an injury
Speaker 6: happens to either Leyton vander USh or de Mont Clark
Speaker 6: at any point during the season, especially if it's like
Speaker 6: during the first quarter of a really big game, we're
Speaker 6: going to see that depth get really tested. Like Marky's
Speaker 6: bell would have to step up in a huge way,
Speaker 6: and I think he would be the guy to fill
Speaker 6: in for either spot over Devin Harper or Wonder Thomas,
Speaker 6: just in my opinion his athleticism, I don't feel like
Speaker 6: you could you could keep that off the field in
Speaker 6: that situation. That'd be tough, though, it'd be really tough.
Speaker 2: You talked about the bubble guts on the offensive side
Speaker 2: of the ball, that's that's a little bubble gut now
Speaker 2: right now, it hasn't had to come into fruition because
Speaker 2: your defensive line's.
Speaker 1: Been so good. Yeah, your secondary has been so good.
Speaker 2: But if it comes to the point where one of
Speaker 2: those two guys does go down and he's not available
Speaker 2: for a significant amount of time, then it's I don't know, like,
Speaker 2: where do you what does that defense even look like?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean you got guys, I mean the second
Speaker 9: level you just can't be physically. I don't know what's
Speaker 9: the best way of saying this. When your defensive front
Speaker 9: it's playing like they're playing, it's not a problem.
Speaker 7: It's really not that much of an issue.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 9: If your defensive front is not getting penetration, if they're
Speaker 9: not demanding double teams, or they're allowing guys them to
Speaker 9: the second level, now all of a sudden, you need
Speaker 9: some size right there because you don't want to get
Speaker 9: just random over. You don't want to get to juggernauted.
Speaker 9: So right now, it's not a problem, you know. And
Speaker 9: even if there was an injury at that second level,
Speaker 9: if the defensive line continues to play like they're playing,
Speaker 9: I still don't foresee it being a problem. Now, if
Speaker 9: you come out against a team that is running the
Speaker 9: crap out the ball, which I don't necessarily see one
Speaker 9: team that we're going to face right now that is
Speaker 9: doing that, then you would then you have some things
Speaker 9: that you ever worry about.
Speaker 6: Let me post this question. Let's say an injury does
Speaker 6: happen in the second level, they have a they have
Speaker 6: a week to practice on it. They can they can
Speaker 6: flush it out and make it look good. Do you
Speaker 6: put Michael Parsons back?
Speaker 4: And then I'm so glad you asked that. Literally was
Speaker 4: what I was say. I was about to say.
Speaker 8: I know no one's asking this, but if anyone out
Speaker 8: there is thinking, I still don't want across across my.
Speaker 1: Mind for like point two seconds, and that counts it out.
Speaker 6: Like you know, with as elite as this past past
Speaker 6: rush group is, you still want him involved there?
Speaker 9: Absolutely, I don't. I personally don't think Michael Parson is
Speaker 9: that effective at linebacker.
Speaker 1: That's that's me, that's I think the numbers say that,
Speaker 1: that's film.
Speaker 6: Certainly, it's more so just like do you want to
Speaker 6: put the natural guy who put who knows the position
Speaker 6: a lot better more than marku east Bell, or would
Speaker 6: you rather have Mark Easpell who's still playing that versatility role.
Speaker 6: He might be a little leaner. He might when he's
Speaker 6: coming downhill, it might be a little bit more difficult
Speaker 6: to make that tackle.
Speaker 9: Looking across the board at linebackers in the league right now,
Speaker 9: I mean usually most teams have one, maybe two good sized,
Speaker 9: traditional sized linebackers.
Speaker 1: Other than that, these guys are not big.
Speaker 7: Now, they're athletic.
Speaker 9: They're the athletic, these fifteen hundred and twenty pounds linebackers. Now,
Speaker 9: so I'm bigger than most of the linebackers in the league.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's just just a slight flex.
Speaker 6: Just stand back.
Speaker 1: You don't do that. But his phone number is yeah.
Speaker 9: I mean, but like linebackers are just not it's not
Speaker 9: built that way. Often to your point, offensives have changed.
Speaker 9: And because offenses have changed, they're not running downhill and
Speaker 9: you know, these these I formations and these big thirteen
Speaker 9: person nails, you're not seeing that anymore. So there's no
Speaker 9: need to have two hundred and fifty pound guys at
Speaker 9: the second level.
Speaker 8: And just like the running back thing, man, I'm telling you,
Speaker 8: the money, the money is the proof in it.
Speaker 4: That's why no.
Speaker 8: One's wanted to be like, hey, I'm the top linebacker type.
Speaker 8: No no, no, no, I want to be judges an
Speaker 8: edg rusher. I'm an edge rusher over here because that's
Speaker 8: where the money's at, you know. So, uh, Bobby Wagner phenomenal. Obviously,
Speaker 8: if you can have a Bobby Wagner, you'll take that
Speaker 8: every day.
Speaker 1: You could.
Speaker 4: But well, yeah, good point, that's true.
Speaker 8: Yeah they could have Bobby Wagner, yes, but uh, but
Speaker 8: give me the edge rusher if it's going to be
Speaker 8: on that type of a level. I'm talking like Hall
Speaker 8: of Fame type Bobby Wagner level. I'd rather have the edgresser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, especially with the way that.
Speaker 8: This is also an ed rusher who's not just an
Speaker 8: edge rusher, a rusher that lines up literally all over
Speaker 8: the defensive line that you can constantly move around like that.
Speaker 8: It's just I don't want to take I don't want
Speaker 8: to take that strength ever away from from the defense.
Speaker 8: But to your point, it does make sou mean, they're
Speaker 8: so deep up there that I just don't want I
Speaker 8: wouldn't want to take Mike away from being on the ball.
Speaker 1: Would you do it, you asked the question.
Speaker 6: No, I wouldn't do it, off off Rip, I would.
Speaker 6: I would give Marquis spill a thorough opportunity, and if
Speaker 6: it wasn't working out and something needed to happen there,
Speaker 6: then I would toy with it.
Speaker 2: What would you classify as a thorough opportunity a whole game,
Speaker 2: maybe a game and a half, even just having that
Speaker 2: opportunity to play in the second level and play every snap.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're so good everywhere else that I would try
Speaker 8: and sign a better that is well, like I mean,
Speaker 8: and I know that that player is not going to
Speaker 8: come in and be you know, blow you away or anything.
Speaker 8: But I would rather keep my strength my strength and
Speaker 8: to sit there and pull away from my strength and
Speaker 8: kind of maybe make my defense practice.
Speaker 9: He is, yeah, yeah, go for I like Malik, Yeah,
Speaker 9: I like him a lot.
Speaker 1: I think Anthony Bar still out there.
Speaker 7: To Malie Jefferson, Okay.
Speaker 6: I just want let's say, what's that about?
Speaker 7: Just he's a big body. He doesn't fit the defense.
Speaker 4: That's a good point. That doesn't really fit with way
Speaker 4: this defense is played.
Speaker 1: Would you you just want more?
Speaker 6: There is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I don't mean this, I really don't.
Speaker 2: But would you say you have a clear eye view of.
Speaker 1: Of Anthony Bar? Would you? Would you?
Speaker 4: I thought you might have having a clear idea.
Speaker 1: No, oh no, I'm referencing. I know he's definitely reference.
Speaker 1: This is going trust me. Oh yeah, you weren't clear?
Speaker 2: I view is the the brand for Jalen Smith?
Speaker 6: Okay, gotcha, got clear.
Speaker 1: That's his that's his mantra. John's like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: go to the second segment.
Speaker 8: Yeah, when you said that thing to us with the
Speaker 8: with the on the list, I thought were going to
Speaker 8: do offensive players too.
Speaker 4: I was like, got ready to go about players, talk.
Speaker 1: About offensive player. We just kind of ran out of
Speaker 1: time because he.
Speaker 4: Brought up Ques she said the defense.
Speaker 8: I was like, damn, Like, I can't really think of
Speaker 8: any defensive guys that for the right I can see,
Speaker 8: you know, you know, because you said like step like
Speaker 8: having more of a role as the season goes on,
Speaker 8: Like I was like, man, there's just so many I
Speaker 8: already think the depths so solid that barring any injuries.
Speaker 4: Like it's pretty set.
Speaker 8: Like what I think they have on offense, there's definitely
Speaker 8: some spots.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it when we come back. We'll have
Speaker 2: some offensive roles that are going to increase. And then
Speaker 2: we'll also have Isaiah's QB vision scanning the Cardinals defense
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Speaker 1: To the Talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 2: with Nick John, Isaiah Chris in the back of Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: Now John, you alluded to it which role player will
Speaker 2: increase throughout the year? Which role will increase for some
Speaker 2: players throughout the year On the offensive side, I threw
Speaker 2: out the defensive question in the first segment mostly to
Speaker 2: point out the lack of linebacker depth and then also
Speaker 2: to point out the fact that it's pretty set in
Speaker 2: stone across the board.
Speaker 1: Offense is a completely different.
Speaker 4: Story, absolutely. I can think of multiple players.
Speaker 8: One that jumps out to me is Jalen Tolbert just
Speaker 8: because he has a series where he catches three balls
Speaker 8: and he only had two catches off last year. I
Speaker 8: can just see that continuing to increase, and I see
Speaker 8: him as a young player that they're going to want
Speaker 8: to get involved more as they go. Even with Brandon
Speaker 8: Cooks back healthy, I still think Jalen Tolbert will have
Speaker 8: a bigger role.
Speaker 4: So he would probably be number one on my list.
Speaker 1: And he didn't just catch multiple passes.
Speaker 2: I mean he was creating separation, and that's something that
Speaker 2: we hadn't seen from Jalen Tolbert prior, even in the
Speaker 2: limited amount of time that he had, but separation was
Speaker 2: not there.
Speaker 4: He had the one in the back the end zone.
Speaker 8: I would have been interested to see what would have
Speaker 8: happened that deck through to myth, it wasn't the past interference.
Speaker 8: That would have been a really nice grab to first touchdown,
Speaker 8: all that to add on your resume. But then he
Speaker 8: was held so but I mean still Drew got him
Speaker 8: first down and in the third and long.
Speaker 1: Had his man beat all the way through. Like That's
Speaker 1: the type of stuff I've.
Speaker 2: Seen from Jalen Tolbert that has been more impressive is
Speaker 2: the fact that he's building room between he and the
Speaker 2: defender and then he's making grabs on top of that,
Speaker 2: and he's being productive consistently.
Speaker 1: I think right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, of course, the numbers say he's the number
Speaker 2: three wide receiver, but he's pushing Michael gallup for that
Speaker 2: role just because he's been more productive at this point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree. I would extend as far as guys
Speaker 6: that will probably see an increased role, I would extend
Speaker 6: that to every receiver not named Ceedee Lamb, whether that
Speaker 6: be Brandon Cooks, Michael Gallup, Jalen Tolbert. I think all
Speaker 6: three of those guys coming into the season, we expected
Speaker 6: a little bit more through the first two weeks, and
Speaker 6: granted things have gone great and it's been sunshine and rainbows,
Speaker 6: but at the end of the day, you want to
Speaker 6: see You want to see Brandon Cooks have that random
Speaker 6: one hundred yard game, which I think I'll get into
Speaker 6: that a little bit later. Michael Gallup, you would like
Speaker 6: to see him get active in that or to intermediate game.
Speaker 6: We haven't quite seen that from him in the last
Speaker 6: couple of years, and even when he had his big season,
Speaker 6: you know, most of his stuff was downfield. We've talked
Speaker 6: about it a little bit this week as well, So
Speaker 6: I would like to see all three of those guys
Speaker 6: kind of pick up an increased role. And I'd also
Speaker 6: like to see Rico Dawdle get more involved in the
Speaker 6: receiving game specifically, just because I think there's a lot
Speaker 6: of potential there. We've seen a couple of times, so
Speaker 6: these first couple of weeks it'll be a third and five,
Speaker 6: third and medium type situation. Dack will dump it off
Speaker 6: to Rico Daddo in the flat and he's got green
Speaker 6: grass in front of him and he can make a play.
Speaker 6: And he's done that. So I'd like to see that
Speaker 6: a little bit more too.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the wide receivers.
Speaker 9: I think everybody who's playing receiver and his team, to
Speaker 9: your point, is going to get the rock. It's just
Speaker 9: that style of offense, and they're going to make sure
Speaker 9: that everybody gets the ball spread around.
Speaker 4: Do you think it'll get it all the way to
Speaker 4: Jalen Brooks.
Speaker 7: Too, though Brooks was involved last week?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, like but getting like game yeah, like
Speaker 8: where let's say, like he catches like I don't know,
Speaker 8: three or four passes.
Speaker 4: Do you think it'll ever get to that level.
Speaker 7: I don't think. I don't.
Speaker 9: I don't think that this offense is structured to get
Speaker 9: one person ball aside from CD yeah, or you know
Speaker 9: obviously Cooks when he's in there. This this is like
Speaker 9: literally come up to the line of scrimmage. These are
Speaker 9: the routes we have on this side. These are the
Speaker 9: routes we have on this side based upon the coverage.
Speaker 9: This is where we're going with the ball. So whoever
Speaker 9: is on the field at that point in time is
Speaker 9: going to get the rock. And that's why this offense
Speaker 9: can be so dangerous because you can't key in on
Speaker 9: one or two particular guys like everybody's gonna get the ball.
Speaker 9: And that's why it's difficult. On West Coast offense is
Speaker 9: really hone in on somebody like it doesn't matter. It
Speaker 9: doesn't matter if Jalen Brooks is out there, It doesn't
Speaker 9: matter if if Jalen Tobert's out there. It doesn't matter
Speaker 9: if you put Jalen Brooks turping and who I just
Speaker 9: put Jalen Brooks, to Tobert and Allum and Turpin out there.
Speaker 9: Like somebody's getting a rock and somebody's gonna be able
Speaker 9: to do something with it. That's the that's the awesome
Speaker 9: part about this. But I believe that one person my
Speaker 9: vote would be Hendershot. I think Henny Hendog has to
Speaker 9: get going and I think that he will get more opportunities.
Speaker 9: I think he is a mismatched nightmare for people, and
Speaker 9: I think the biggest thing for him is just confidence,
Speaker 9: so he'll get his opportunities. Who saw them start to
Speaker 9: try to spin some sprinkle some things in there for him?
Speaker 9: Last week. It's just there's a lot of talent on
Speaker 9: both sides of his ball. Offensively, you're just starting to
Speaker 9: see the beginning of it.
Speaker 8: You think better chance for Hendershot than a schoonmaker to
Speaker 8: have a larger role as the season goes.
Speaker 9: On, different different Schoolmaker's huge. This is a large human
Speaker 9: that you know. He's a traditional tight end. He is
Speaker 9: is about as traditional as they get. He is wit right,
Speaker 9: he is a wit tight end. Hindershot is your your
Speaker 9: version of Darren Waller. He's your version of it. And
Speaker 9: I'm not saying he's Darren Waller, but he's He's the
Speaker 9: closest thing that you have to Darren Waller at the
Speaker 9: tight end position on this roster.
Speaker 4: So Isaiah just said that they have I heard Darren
Speaker 4: Waller definitely did.
Speaker 1: That's oppressive.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Jake Ferguson is he's like a
Speaker 2: Tony Gonzalezie's a combo.
Speaker 1: He's a combo.
Speaker 6: So you hear John Stevens comparison, But.
Speaker 9: You, I mean, you truly have three tight ends in
Speaker 9: that room that are still trying to figure themselves out.
Speaker 9: They honestly haven't figured themselves out, and once they have
Speaker 9: any kind of confidence.
Speaker 7: I mean, any of.
Speaker 9: Those guys can really skyrocket, but I do believe that
Speaker 9: they offul feel different roles.
Speaker 6: That's the challenge of having a young room like that,
Speaker 6: Jake Ferguson being the oldest guy in that room at
Speaker 6: what twenty four it maybe just turned twenty five. That's
Speaker 6: the challenge of that. But I think that's a challenge
Speaker 6: that this offense is built for. You know that it's
Speaker 6: everything getting out quick and the Titans are a big
Speaker 6: part of that. They're going to figure out their role
Speaker 6: really quick, and I think it's already happening.
Speaker 2: Are you surprised that one Schoonmaker and Ferguson had a
Speaker 2: touchdown grab before Peyton Hindershot the most, because the majority
Speaker 2: of the time we were an ox Stard red zone work,
Speaker 2: it was Peyton Hindershot show dropped a tight end, he
Speaker 2: drops his touchdown. That's true, and we won, Yeah, dropped.
Speaker 9: It can't drive touchdowns drop touchdowns, They don't just come
Speaker 9: your way like that.
Speaker 2: Are you surprised that the tight ends are the only
Speaker 2: ones that have a touchdown to this point there has
Speaker 2: not been a wide receiver touchdown yet.
Speaker 9: No, I mean it doesn't matter. I mean, for me,
Speaker 9: from my perspective, it doesn't matter. As long as you
Speaker 9: get the touchdown. It doesn't matter who gets it.
Speaker 1: I think most Cowboys fans would Yeah, I.
Speaker 9: Mean going to see a spread all over the place.
Speaker 9: I know people Oh yeah, I know, people are fantasies.
Speaker 9: They're like, oh, get it to CD, get it to
Speaker 9: be Cooks.
Speaker 1: You just don't know.
Speaker 9: And the fact that you just don't know plays to
Speaker 9: your advantage so well.
Speaker 6: The fact that your plus sixty. Yah, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: But I am surprised, Like, if you've told me before
Speaker 6: the season, yeah, there won't be a receiver touchdown until
Speaker 6: Arizona in Week three, I'll be like, well, what happens?
Speaker 8: Well, in fact, factoring the weather week one and how
Speaker 8: good that defense is week two, I guess I'm not
Speaker 8: stunned get through this week three without a wide receiver
Speaker 8: havingue touchdown.
Speaker 2: I'll I'll be surprised then, especially this week, because I
Speaker 2: think there's ways that this this Cowboys offense can put
Speaker 2: up some big numbers.
Speaker 8: And here's to keep me smissing on the back end
Speaker 8: of that Cardinals defense.
Speaker 9: Yeah a little bit, so, Washington, guy, where did you
Speaker 9: go whenever you're missing?
Speaker 1: A Washington guy. You're probably going to be hurting a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying now, Isaiah, I'll let you make the
Speaker 2: decision here. Do you want to take a break and
Speaker 2: then do your scouting report or do you want to
Speaker 2: go straight into it?
Speaker 7: Right now you're calling may roll the dice.
Speaker 1: I want you to I want you to go deep
Speaker 1: into it. So let's go. Uh, let's go to break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll do QB vision and Isaiah, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do it all right.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this.
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Speaker 1: Of the Dallas Cowboys. All right, Isaiah, give us that
Speaker 1: QB vision.
Speaker 2: Tell us exactly how the Cowboys can have some success
Speaker 2: against this Cardinals defense.
Speaker 9: Well, Kyle, I believe that they're going to have to
Speaker 9: run the ball. I don't think that's any secret. And
Speaker 9: if you have a Tyler Smith on your team and
Speaker 9: he's on the front line, and you have your starting
Speaker 9: five upfront.
Speaker 1: I don't see why you would have any issues doing that.
Speaker 9: I would run the ball, particularly at an ex cowboy
Speaker 9: by the name of Carlows Watkins.
Speaker 1: I think that's the direction that you want to take
Speaker 1: the ball.
Speaker 9: I don't believe that these guys have the ability to
Speaker 9: really be dominant.
Speaker 1: Run stop first.
Speaker 9: I think they run a traditional defense, and that when
Speaker 9: I say traditional, I mean, uh, you know, typical base four,
Speaker 9: four to three, cover two, you know, too high, too
Speaker 9: high safeties. These they blitz a ton.
Speaker 8: Hey, I don't think they're gonna going to have Carlos
Speaker 8: Watkins Yesterdyeah, he's got a biceps.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to buy SEPs surgery.
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Speaker 8: You're good, You're I just heard his name mentioned and
Speaker 8: I thought that they were still evaluating it.
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Speaker 4: That was yesterday, late yesterday.
Speaker 7: What I see on the film. So that's my fault.
Speaker 9: So I think these guys have the you have the
Speaker 9: ability to run against them relatively well. They try to
Speaker 9: do Dallas Ish type stuff, meaning that they run a
Speaker 9: lot of stunts up front, They try to cross the face.
Speaker 9: They have the stand up ends that are trying to
Speaker 9: come downhill and really try to cross the face of
Speaker 9: the offensive tackles or their tight ends. So they're pinching
Speaker 9: a lot and there's a lot of lanes that are created.
Speaker 9: It's the same thing that kind of causes Dallas some
Speaker 9: problems whenever they leave some cape holes. Laan discipline isn't
Speaker 9: necessarily their thing right now in Arizona, So I think
Speaker 9: that you can expose them in that regard in terms
Speaker 9: of pressure. You're going to have to take care of
Speaker 9: your responsibility in terms of your keys and your You
Speaker 9: were and pretty much was being asked of you for
Speaker 9: your for your responsibility right for your if you're running back,
Speaker 9: you got to sit back and make sure you get
Speaker 9: your keys. Like if I'm going one to two, I'm
Speaker 9: going to outside linebacker to inside, I need to keep
Speaker 9: my eye on that safety because they do a really
Speaker 9: good job of disguising their coverages.
Speaker 7: They do a really good job of dis guys and
Speaker 7: their coverages.
Speaker 9: You can't tell what they're doing pre snap, and they
Speaker 9: time up their movement with their safeties at the snap
Speaker 9: of the ball like they do it probably better than
Speaker 9: what I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, you said the Jets did
Speaker 2: a nice job of that of disguising certain coverages, not
Speaker 2: necessarily the entire coverage, but it happened.
Speaker 9: Correct, So take that and like turn it up because
Speaker 9: that's these guys do a really good job with that.
Speaker 9: And obviously Buddha Baker was a big part of what
Speaker 9: their success and that he's not going to be present.
Speaker 9: But in terms of safety alignment is typically if you
Speaker 9: come up to the line of scrimmage, you see one
Speaker 9: safety deep, okay, your mind automatically goes to cover three, right,
Speaker 9: you know, cover one. These guys, the safety will be
Speaker 9: lined up typically towards your strength. So if you come
Speaker 9: out in a three by one set, that safety is
Speaker 9: not going to be in the middle of the field.
Speaker 9: That safety is going to be shaded as if he's
Speaker 9: going to be a too high safety, and they'll still
Speaker 9: run single high coverage out of it, so you really
Speaker 9: have to keep your eyes on it. They do a
Speaker 9: lot of split coverages, like we talked about last week.
Speaker 9: You know, the Jets did a little bit of that.
Speaker 9: These guys do a ton of it, and it's really
Speaker 9: hard to tell. I'm talking about two seconds into the play,
Speaker 9: it's still hard to discern what it is that they're running.
Speaker 9: Are they running two, are they running four? Are they
Speaker 9: running a combination of it? Like, it's really difficult. So
Speaker 9: in terms of Dak is going to have to really
Speaker 9: either be super sure of what it is and get
Speaker 9: the ball out of his hands quickly, which this offense
Speaker 9: is really predicated on, or if they do decide to
Speaker 9: start pushing the ball down the field a little bit more,
Speaker 9: he's really going to have to know exactly what the
Speaker 9: coverage is, like he's really got the key in on it,
Speaker 9: because he's not gonna be able to come up, line up,
Speaker 9: snap the ball, run to play. He's got to take
Speaker 9: a look at it pre snap and then get confirmation
Speaker 9: or reassess what the defense is presenting after the ball
Speaker 9: is snap, because these safeties make it really difficult whether
Speaker 9: they're coming down in the box or whether you know.
Speaker 9: Sometimes they'll have a safety lined up way over over
Speaker 9: your three man set. They'll bring a safety in the box,
Speaker 9: and then this safety over here, and he'll play a
Speaker 9: cover two, which is weird, right, He'll play a two
Speaker 9: on this side, and then they'll play a four or
Speaker 9: a man on this side. It's really funky some of
Speaker 9: the stuff that they're doing. And I'm surprised that they
Speaker 9: don't have more turnovers than they do.
Speaker 6: Do you think this is why New York kind of
Speaker 6: it took them a while to get going.
Speaker 9: Yes, I really do. Yeah, they cause a lot of problems,
Speaker 9: and they they because they blit so much. Where's my
Speaker 9: where's my stat shot at?
Speaker 6: What did they find? Eventually?
Speaker 7: Do you think, oh, Waller, that's nice to have.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so they leave some gaps. So when they decide
Speaker 9: to bring pressure, I think they pressure. I think like
Speaker 9: the eighth most in the league or something crazy like that.
Speaker 7: Where is that? Yeah, yeah, they pressure a ton.
Speaker 9: So yeah, they have a blitz rate of thirty four percent,
Speaker 9: so they're the eighth in the league. We're twenty seventh
Speaker 9: in the league. So they're bringing pressure and when they
Speaker 9: do it, they usually doing zone blitz, so they're dropping
Speaker 9: guys out. When do they drop those guys out? Your
Speaker 9: tight ends have a chance to eat because there's a
Speaker 9: lot of gaps right in those little seams right, they
Speaker 9: leave those voids, so guys, if they're not getting to
Speaker 9: their mark, you can get the ball out quickly. The
Speaker 9: pressure never gets to you. But that's not to say
Speaker 9: that they can't get to you, because they are right
Speaker 9: behind Dallas in Sacks, like right behind Dallas and Sacks.
Speaker 9: So these guys can get after you. What's the dude's name,
Speaker 9: He's just a hustle man. He's not even a starter
Speaker 9: forty forty five Dennis Gardick. That dude has a ton
Speaker 9: of sacks. He has three secks. I think he has
Speaker 9: the same amount of sex as Micah. So he's just
Speaker 9: one of those try hard guys.
Speaker 1: And don't this Candi.
Speaker 9: You know most people are thinking about Micah so so
Speaker 9: he can get after you. He can definitely get after you.
Speaker 9: These guys are high effort. Like I said, I think
Speaker 9: there are they are, there are wan to be cowboys defense.
Speaker 9: It's probably the best way to say.
Speaker 4: Anything like that.
Speaker 8: Looks anything like Philadelphia, just because Johonathan Gannon, you know
Speaker 8: the DC over there.
Speaker 4: In Philly the last couple of years.
Speaker 8: I'm just thinking that he's going to probably be pretty
Speaker 8: familiar with Dak.
Speaker 9: And yes for Dak, and you see the effort, yeah,
Speaker 9: you see, you definitely see the effort. I mean the
Speaker 9: relentlessness of these guys. They're getting after it now they're
Speaker 9: their balls to the wall. They're not stopping until the
Speaker 9: whistle is blown, right, and that's the reason why their
Speaker 9: non starter has the most sacks on the team. But
Speaker 9: you also see the blitz rate is up right, so
Speaker 9: you see something that carry over. I don't think that
Speaker 9: they have the personnel yet to be as effective as
Speaker 9: a Philly obviously, but you're seeing a lot of the
Speaker 9: confusion that they cause. You know, Philly casts dack a
Speaker 9: lot of issues in terms of disguising coverages. We've seen
Speaker 9: that a lot over the last last year or two,
Speaker 9: and that's when he had his turnovers. You you see
Speaker 9: that same strategy come over to Arizona. He just doesn't
Speaker 9: have the personnel yet, but he has some young guys.
Speaker 9: There's a cornerback that I really like, you know, I
Speaker 9: suck with names kind of tree, yes, Park, there you go.
Speaker 9: Contrail Cart thirteen. I like him. I like him a lot.
Speaker 9: That boy's footwork is nasty. I don't know how he's
Speaker 9: able to get in and out of break A.
Speaker 1: Sixth round pick too. His football player.
Speaker 9: Is I've seen some double moves, I've seen some really
Speaker 9: good cuts, and this dude gets himself in positions and
Speaker 9: gets out of them, and it's almost like there was
Speaker 9: a glitch on the film. I had to go back,
Speaker 9: like there's a glitch. I'm looking at his footwere like,
Speaker 9: how did that? I don't know how he did that.
Speaker 9: But he's able to get in and out of it, right,
Speaker 9: and they're aggressive, they're safety thirty six andre I sure
Speaker 9: loading Sherry.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's from Philly, right from Philly.
Speaker 2: That boy hits a couple of guys from from Philly
Speaker 2: on this do you have to bring over?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: White was on there my pace reloading, but oh I
Speaker 2: think for the most part, yeah, there you go. So
Speaker 2: yeah you got Andrey Kevon Wallace is going to.
Speaker 9: Try to separate white ball. He's literally trying to like
Speaker 9: punch a hole in your chest.
Speaker 1: Then he hits you.
Speaker 2: I really like some of the guys that they picked
Speaker 2: up in the draft too recently.
Speaker 1: I mean Dante Stillers. Stills was a.
Speaker 2: Sixth round pick out of West Virginia that was kind
Speaker 2: of late in the draft and they made him work.
Speaker 1: Lucky FO two was fun.
Speaker 2: He was a fourth round pick in twenty twenty Xavan
Speaker 2: Collins in twenty twenty one out of Tolsa.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got some guys, but they're young, and
Speaker 1: they're inexens.
Speaker 9: And they have a lot of young, young talent, you know,
Speaker 9: And like I said, just going back to kind of
Speaker 9: summarize it, I think the best way to go at
Speaker 9: these guys run the ball number one running effectively. If
Speaker 9: you can do that, then you can get them blitzing.
Speaker 9: And once you get them blitzing, now you can have
Speaker 9: some nice little easy outs, which is why I bring
Speaker 9: up first, and that's why I bring up the tight
Speaker 9: end room because I think they can have a really
Speaker 9: big day in this particular game. But also a lot
Speaker 9: of their coverages are they're they're they're down there now,
Speaker 9: I mean they're they're playing off they're playing untraditional looking coverages,
Speaker 9: which at times, because of what they're being asked to do,
Speaker 9: there's a lot of guys that are.
Speaker 7: Just left wide open.
Speaker 9: So I think their defense can be so complicated and
Speaker 9: their guys are so young that they haven't been in
Speaker 9: the system long enough to understand, hey, I'm passing this
Speaker 9: off to you. When I'm in this position, this is
Speaker 9: your responsibility and now right we're interchanging are what it
Speaker 9: says on paper that we're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of times where you can catch
Speaker 1: them slipping.
Speaker 9: But you're going to get one hundred percent effort out
Speaker 9: of these guys, and you're going to get a lot
Speaker 9: of disguise. So a lot of pressure on back this week,
Speaker 9: and you can't sit back obviously not holding the ball anyways,
Speaker 9: but you can't sit back and hold the ball on
Speaker 9: these guys because their effort alone will get back to you.
Speaker 8: I'm just looking at the guys that made plays for
Speaker 8: them the last time the Cowboys played, when they played
Speaker 8: them and at the end of twenty twenty one and
Speaker 8: they won that twenty five to twenty two game, that
Speaker 8: was an eleven win Cardinals team. Isaiah Simmons, Buddha Baker,
Speaker 8: Chandler Jones Like, I mean, they're just godd point, it's
Speaker 8: just not the same.
Speaker 9: No, it's not the same, And which is why I
Speaker 9: think they're playing a lot of his own. Yea, they're
Speaker 9: playing a time and these guys are where they are.
Speaker 9: They they play his own almost eighty percent of the time.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the Dennis Gardak had a good game in that
Speaker 8: one though too, that you mentioned.
Speaker 6: And looking at what they've put on film the last
Speaker 6: couple of weeks. There is a specific Cowboys player that
Speaker 6: kept popping in my mind as an opportunity to have
Speaker 6: a big game. I'm curious if we have the same
Speaker 6: one who would be yours?
Speaker 7: It's gonna be for me, it's gonna be fergy.
Speaker 6: Okay, for me, it's Brandon Cooks because I look at
Speaker 6: what he could possibly do on the outside against a
Speaker 6: guy like Marco Wilson, and I think he can have
Speaker 6: a really big day. I think he could get over
Speaker 6: the top finally, and we could get a past twenty
Speaker 6: yards downfields.
Speaker 7: See.
Speaker 9: And my thing with that is, I think that if
Speaker 9: you're going to expose these guys, it's gonna either one.
Speaker 9: If you're gonna beat them over the top, it's gonna
Speaker 9: be because they dropped. They dropped the responsibility, right, somebody
Speaker 9: had a mental mental error. They don't want you over
Speaker 9: the top.
Speaker 6: I think that's likely.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so there's definitely a chance of that, right, But
Speaker 9: we just talked about the youth, right, Yeah, but the
Speaker 9: probability of it, yeah, Right, they're gonna play more. It's
Speaker 9: play safer than they are gonna be more aggressive on.
Speaker 7: The back end.
Speaker 9: Okay, the middle they have because they play eighty percent
Speaker 9: zone there. You have to just find the hole. Just
Speaker 9: find the hole in the zone. Number one. Identify what
Speaker 9: zone they're playing, because they don't play just two. They
Speaker 9: don't just play three. It's two over here and a
Speaker 9: combination of a three over here, and it's really funky.
Speaker 9: I don't know how they're figuring that out, but they
Speaker 9: are playing some very untraditional defenses.
Speaker 1: So you have to identify it A and B.
Speaker 9: Make sure that you put the ball where it's supposed
Speaker 9: to go based upon what that coverage is on that side.
Speaker 9: Because if you sit back and you sit on your
Speaker 9: back leg and you wait for him to cross one
Speaker 9: zone and go to the next, well he might be
Speaker 9: going into a completely different defense depending on where you're
Speaker 9: hitting them at in the route.
Speaker 6: So you think it's more unlikely that there's downfield action,
Speaker 6: then you know what we could see against idle know
Speaker 6: New England, right, I know you haven't scouted it.
Speaker 7: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 9: Now I think I think the hole is in the middle.
Speaker 9: I mean it's just right there, right, You did talk
Speaker 9: about the middle portion of the field. That's where it's
Speaker 9: going to be at. My only fear is that Dak
Speaker 9: I won't say fear. My worry, right, is that Dak
Speaker 9: does not diagnose what it is post snap. That's what
Speaker 9: I feel like he fell into a little bit last year.
Speaker 9: But obviously we're not really running routes that deep unless
Speaker 9: they're off of play action.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's just isn't right.
Speaker 9: So as long as they continue with what they're doing
Speaker 9: in terms of getting the ball out of your hands quickly,
Speaker 9: I think there's gonna be a lot of opportunities for
Speaker 9: guys to get yackyardists right, get the ball early, try
Speaker 9: to make it, break a tackle right, and try to
Speaker 9: find some space on his own. But if they're asking
Speaker 9: to hold the ball a little bit longer than we've
Speaker 9: seen over these first few weeks, then he's gonna have
Speaker 9: to do a really good job of diagnosing what it is.
Speaker 9: Because guys are gonna be at the line of screamation.
Speaker 9: They're gonna be dropping out right the zone defense right.
Speaker 9: Sometimes they'll pressure, because they pressure a lot, sometimes they're
Speaker 9: gonna be dropping out. And if you don't, if you
Speaker 9: think that you have a slant route open because the
Speaker 9: corner sitting outside leverage and you see a linebacker walked
Speaker 9: up in the safety walked up, you're like okay, I'm
Speaker 9: just gonna throw the slant right here. Somebody will drop
Speaker 9: out from the opposite side into that zone that you
Speaker 9: thought was void was vacant, and you get picked off.
Speaker 9: And we've seen that before from Dex. I'm just hoping
Speaker 9: that he sees everything post snap. Just just get that
Speaker 9: confirmation of a post snap read as well. It's not
Speaker 9: as easy as just walking up and saying, oh, okay,
Speaker 9: this is what it is.
Speaker 2: So out of the three defenses that we've seen, the Jets,
Speaker 2: the of course, the Giants in week one, and then now.
Speaker 7: The Car, this is the most complicated.
Speaker 2: This is so talent wise, there third on the list,
Speaker 2: no doubt in our mind, especially without Buddha, especially without
Speaker 2: Buddha Baka talent wise, But from a scheme standpoint, you
Speaker 2: think this is the toughest matchup. Yes, just from a
Speaker 2: scheme only perspective.
Speaker 9: Ye, tam standpoint, I think this is the most complicated
Speaker 9: defense that we face. And again that usually works to
Speaker 9: your works to their advantage against teams that hold the ball.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna keep saying that if Dallas continues to get
Speaker 9: the ball out their hands, I think it's gonna make
Speaker 9: it more difficult what I foresee Arizona doing is doing
Speaker 9: something they haven't been doing much, which is pressed. I
Speaker 9: see them coming up and pressing, regardless of the CD,
Speaker 9: regardless of be Cooks, They're gonna put hands on you
Speaker 9: because they want to disrupt their ability to get off the
Speaker 9: line of scrimmage and get to those quick routes and
Speaker 9: Alex hold make you hold the ball. Now they can
Speaker 9: drop their their their first level, first and second level guys,
Speaker 9: defensive ends, linebackers, safeties.
Speaker 7: They could drop those guys.
Speaker 9: Out into those sole unquote unquote holes on their defense,
Speaker 9: and then that's when you start forcing it.
Speaker 1: That's when they can force some errors onto you.
Speaker 6: So running the ball is gonna be a big that.
Speaker 7: Running the ball is is?
Speaker 6: Is Ty Pollard over one hundred yards?
Speaker 1: Hmmm? I think there's Fat Smith.
Speaker 6: And a defensive line that's replacing guys. I think there's
Speaker 6: think there's an opportunity.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be out the question which one's more likely,
Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks getting one hundred yards, Tony Pollard getting one
Speaker 2: hundred yards, or Josh Dobbs rushing for seventy five hours.
Speaker 6: To let me let's pose that question, Isaiah, what.
Speaker 1: Do you think is more likely.
Speaker 7: Three.
Speaker 1: I think TP might get his first hurnd the yard
Speaker 1: game dred yards is a.
Speaker 6: Lot and sound confident?
Speaker 1: Are you thinking? Cooks?
Speaker 6: Uh No, I'm gonna go Pollard?
Speaker 1: Pollard? What would you say?
Speaker 7: Pollard? For sure?
Speaker 6: He took.
Speaker 4: He took a good good amount of hits in that game.
Speaker 7: On Sunday, twenty five carries.
Speaker 8: He had twenty five carries, thirty two touches, both where
Speaker 8: career highs had a real nasty had a real nasty
Speaker 8: chip block that knocked two guys down. I'm sure he
Speaker 8: was feeling he said he was feeling it Sunday night.
Speaker 8: But now I think again, Carlos Watkins being out boot
Speaker 8: a Baker, I don't know, I think And to your point, man,
Speaker 8: it seems like running the ball is the best recipe,
Speaker 8: and I know fans like to see it. I'm not
Speaker 8: that thrilled about all the Dak Prescott runs unless you
Speaker 8: absolutely need them.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, especially if he's going
Speaker 1: to take a hit on the hip. Yeah, yeah, inside
Speaker 1: the five.
Speaker 8: So I don't like, don't get me wrong, like there's
Speaker 8: times in January where I'm all for that.
Speaker 4: I do think that that will be needed.
Speaker 8: But week three, Arizona go ahead and give its Rico
Speaker 8: and Tony, maybe get deuced von going in the run game.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe this is a little bit of a
Speaker 2: litmus test, though, I mean, the focus has to be there.
Speaker 1: You can easily.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the NFL. There's no off week, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's always the saying. But talent wise, you
Speaker 2: you were head and shoulders above Arizona. That's not even
Speaker 2: a question. It's more so, get your job done. Do
Speaker 2: your job, dyj. I mean, get it through, get to
Speaker 2: week four, don't overlook this Cardinals team, get back home
Speaker 2: with a three and oh record, and then try and
Speaker 2: set up a four to o battle with San Francisco too.
Speaker 4: I understand that we're not looking ahead, but.
Speaker 7: Don't do it.
Speaker 1: I mean we are, don't do it.
Speaker 8: But however, if you're telling me that you're giving me
Speaker 8: this entire schedule, and you're telling me which game am
Speaker 8: I most confident they're going to win the rest of
Speaker 8: the way, it's this.
Speaker 7: Cardinals, I get it.
Speaker 4: I don't resk the rest of the way.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't disagree with that, but you can high.
Speaker 8: It also speaks to It also speaks to their schedule, Like,
Speaker 8: I don't think their schedule is easy by any means,
Speaker 8: Like I think the NFC East is going to be tough,
Speaker 8: Like there's.
Speaker 4: Not many give me games like Panther Carolina. Yeah, Carolina. Yeah,
Speaker 4: m that's what it comes down to. It's between this
Speaker 4: game in Carolina.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. I think I would say
Speaker 1: they're more common because.
Speaker 2: At least that by that point they have a first
Speaker 2: overall draft pick that could be finding a little bit
Speaker 2: of a rhythm.
Speaker 1: It's a late game like Yeah.
Speaker 8: Also, I'm going off of I don't know how they'll
Speaker 8: be playing at that time. I don't know who will
Speaker 8: be healthy. I know what they have right now. I
Speaker 8: know that the way that they've played, so factoring all
Speaker 8: that in not having Buddha Baker, like, there's just this
Speaker 8: is the one I would say if you're like you
Speaker 8: have to you know, survivor pools, I think you have
Speaker 8: to just get one of these right for the rest
Speaker 8: of the season.
Speaker 4: This is the game I'm taking.
Speaker 8: That doesn't mean they're going to cover, you know, winning
Speaker 8: by double digits or anything like that, but I'm pretty confident.
Speaker 1: They're gonna win the game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a litmus test for the running game could
Speaker 6: be a lip miss test.
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