WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Defense in the Desert 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:06.040 Football Club Cowboys. 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:10.440 This he's Talking Cowboys Straining live. 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:12.559 From the Dallas Cowboys World. 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.360 Course at the Star in Frisco Streets. 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:20.200 Tidday, Any patient. 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:26.840 And now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Nick Harris, John Mashoda, 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:28.680 and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.000 It's a Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by Black 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.839 Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Frisco and 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:38.400 the world. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.720 Headquarters of your Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.520 Welcome into the SWBC studios, like the big voice, man, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.639 said Isaiah stand Back, John Machoda, Nick Harris, I'm Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.400 Gentlemen. How are we doing here on this Thursday? 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.520 Doing good? Can't complain? Yeah, just two more days. We're 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.800 out to Arizona. I'm gonna see the kle Williams Show 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.520 on Saturday night and then see the Michael Parsons Show 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:01.320 on Sunday afternoon. 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.440 Did you get an invite to that? I did not. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:04.560 I don't get invites, Kyle. 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:05.640 Did you get one? John? 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:07.840 I didn't, But I've thought about going to that. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:08.560 Oh you should. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.640 That line keeps going up somewhere. I'm like, is this 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:12.640 even going to be competitive? 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:13.560 But maybe? 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:14.600 Yeah, it's cool. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.120 Did you have to go see the second best quarterback 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.120 in the Pac twelve. Yeah, maybe even a third. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:19.920 Doors pretty good. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.520 Ward at a Door has been good. Ward at Washington 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:24.399 State has been really good. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.839 Yeah, I mean offense, it's in the whole pack twelve 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:29.880 and oh we got the whole country. 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.000 You're right, Washing has been great. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:33.880 Yeah, go koops. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.600 Wow, that's rough. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.520 I've always been a Wazu guy, always been. 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.560 I don't know. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.960 I just like the I like the logo where they 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:44.800 got a cool logo. 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:50.880 When I think State, I think of those people because 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:51.880 it's not one person. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.720 Yeah, it's the random guy or the draft pick. 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:55.000 No. 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.520 That in the back of college game day for the 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.920 longest time, you always have like flag watched Crimson to 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:02.760 the point where they did like a feature on it 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.720 about how like they it's mailed to you know, whatever 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.080 city it's going to be in so that it can 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:08.799 always be up in the background. Because it's one of 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.960 those things where, I mean, game day was was not 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.080 going to cover a Washington State game, but that flag 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.480 was always in the background on the highest flag pole 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.639 and behind every single set of every college game day 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.320 that I watched in the nineties. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:24.480 I thought, when you thought about Washington State. You thought 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.440 about Ryan Leaf. That's what I thought you guys were going. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.240 I'm serious that second behind the flag, the flag, and 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:31.680 it really is you got. 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:33.960 You got to respect the loyalty. You got to I. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.400 Don't understand why there's loyalty. How that started? Have you 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:38.679 even been to the police? 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.320 No? Yeah, no, I. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.280 Mean I've been a lot of colleg football stadiums, and 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:44.320 but you don't want to go to that one. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.680 It's not list not on not on the one. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.560 The University of Washington on the list. You know, that's 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:50.320 a pretty I've been there. Most seen in the country 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:50.640 every year. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.440 Is one of the most difficult college towns to get to. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:54.960 Fly to Seattle. 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.160 They make it difficult because nobody wants to go here. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:02:59.560 Whenever I think it's like four and a half. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.160 Whenever I talk to WHOA. 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.480 Whenever I would talk to recruits, whenever they took an 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.840 official visit to Washington State, they'd be like, yeah, I 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:07.120 was done before I even got there. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.160 Oh I that's rough. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.680 Let's talk some news and notes around the Dallas Cowboys. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.840 Of course, they were back on the practice field yesterday 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:19.040 Nick and some injury updates from Mike McCarthy a couple 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.000 guys that look like they're on their way back and 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:25.520 trending in the right direction. Then Zach Martin was inactive yesterday, 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.119 did not practice because of an ankle. It's that same 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.160 ankle that he practiced with last week. But any case, 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.480 we'll start with Zach Martin just because that's the biggest 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.520 name on the list. But any cause for concern on 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.600 him missing practice on Wednesday. 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.520 Yeah, I don't think so. I think they're just giving 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.560 him a day off there. I would expect the same 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.400 today and or a limited fashion. I don't see him 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.280 missing Sunday as of right now. I always heard it 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.240 from Mike McCarthy, We've heard it from Jerry Jones, and 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.160 we heard it from Zach after the game on Sunday. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:52.640 I don't think this is going to keep him out 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.000 for a game. That's just me theorizing. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.960 Yeah, pretty wild to think that how long they've gone 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.720 without having their best five. I mean it's that Niners 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.880 playoff game at at and T Stadium. Is the last 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.880 time you know, when they had Leyle Collins and Terren 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:07.520 Steele both playing like right tackle. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.200 They're both available for that game. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.760 Since then, there's not because all of last season when 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.320 they didn't have Tyron Smith, they had Terrence Steele, and 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.159 then when Terrence Steele went out, then they had Tyron 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:17.880 Smith and so and then obviously the way they. 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:18.960 Started this season out Tyler Smith. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.359 So we're talking over six hundred days since you've had 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.680 your you know, best five able to go out onto 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.560 the field. So, yeah, I agree with you. I'd be 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.680 surprised if zachamiss this game. I think it was to 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.880 give him some extra arrest. And for Mike McCarthy always 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.120 talks about how important that Saturday practice is. As long 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.880 as he's in on that, I think all systems are 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.800 going there and they'll have that best five out there. 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.839 Yeah, just bubble wrap them and get him into to Sunday, 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:46.800 get him the Sunday, make sure that he's good to 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:47.680 go at three twenty five. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.520 I mean, watching that game over it does have it 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.320 does remind me how much it must suck sometimes to 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:52.280 play on the offensive line. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.760 When you're just like, I'm blocking, I'm doing a great job. 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.080 Everything's going great, We're blowing this team out. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.000 Somebody rolls up on the mat and you don't see 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:00.600 it coming, you don't know where it's and then just 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.760 like like, I mean, just the way he fell down 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.919 multiple times and then just like fought to get back up, 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.400 Like it's like thea out. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.240 I imagine that's exactly what goes through Zach's head whenever 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:13.919 he's blocking. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.479 Everything's going great, this is so easy. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:18.360 I'm just going to drive this guy ten yards in 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:19.640 the field. 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:20.400 Got him? 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:24.080 Uh So, Tyler Smith trending in the right direction, though, 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:25.640 you expect him to go on Sunday. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.000 I think all five will be upfront on Sunday. Knock on. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.760 We're gonna knock on this every single day. And it's 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.839 the offensive line. Woodplank, that's what that's what. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:37.240 A wood plank. Can just put it in here. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:39.800 But yeah, I think all five will be up front 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.839 on Sunday against Arizona for the first time ever. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.400 That's huge and we I mean Mike McCarthy's talked about 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.160 it that the cohesion on the offensive line, the consistency 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.800 of the same group up front is imperative. And going 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.640 off of what John just said, I mean, six hundred 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.200 plus days two years since you have had that best five, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:05:59.400 what what does that. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:00.000 Do for a quarter? 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.480 I mean, what was that due for Dak Prescott knowing 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.640 that you've got your best five upfront. Just from a 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.320 mentality standpoint, I mean, it gives. 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.160 You more confidence obviously when you have your best guys 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.360 out there. But I don't think in this particular offense 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.679 that he's too bothered by it because he's not holding 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.239 the ball a ton. I think Tony Poler will probably 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.719 be the happiest person on earth going to this game. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:18.800 He's the real benefactor. 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:19.320 Absolutely. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:19.640 Yeah. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.240 I was about to piggyback off that and say the 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.200 exact same thing. Two point nine yards per carry for 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.919 Tony on Sunday. I think he will be the happiest 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:26.440 man in the room. 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.800 Win all five go up front, especially if Zach's fully 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.240 ready to go and you have Tyler Smith fully ready 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.040 to go. That's some strength up front. Tyron Smith had 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.640 one of the highest PFF grades in terms of run 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.480 blocking in the most recent matchup, So I mean, if 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.680 he's healthy, he's still Tyron Smith, which is phenomenal to see. 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.440 What about Donovan Wilson switching the defensive side of the 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.440 ball and jay Ron Curse both on the injury report, 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.560 any concerns around what they're doing. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.200 Yeah, it sounds like Jayron Curse is battling an illness. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.800 I don't think it's anything that would keep him out 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.680 of a game at this point, and then Donovan Wilson 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.719 slow ramping him back up, getting him back into you know, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:07.120 game routine, game speed. I don't think he'll have a 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.480 large part in the game if he plays on Sunday. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.960 I don't think you need him right now. If it 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:14.560 were me, i'd keep him out one more week and 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.400 then let him let him roll against New England. But 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.400 you know, we'll see what happens as the week goes on. 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:20.840 Yeah, I could see him maybe like the Jordan Lewis 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.520 situation where he's on kind of a little pitch count 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.920 just to kind of get him back out there. But 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.840 I'd be surprised if he played the full game. But 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.240 he seems like he's pretty close to getting back out there. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.200 And the same with Jay Runkerts. I think it's just 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.200 it's an illness, not anything that's as Lisa is right 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:36.480 now that would keep him out of the game. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.640 Just just Joe Burrow situation make you pump breaks a little. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:44.320 Bit, yes for me, at least in the Aaron Rodgers situation, Yeah. 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.280 Both of them just having the reaggravation of an injury. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.480 Yeah, specifically that calf. 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:53.720 Yeah, now, Joe Kevin Durant. For me, that's true. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.920 That's always the one I think of Kevin Durant when 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.320 he had that. He had the calf, and then and 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.760 then the achilles right after that. Because it was in 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.080 the playoffs, they wanted to come back out there. Obviously 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.480 he wanted to play at least, I think. And then 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.200 I'll always remember that one because it's the one where 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.480 again they're wearing shorts, so you could see on the 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.920 replay you were like, yeah. 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:14.320 That's not good. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:20.080 I mean with at least with Joe Burrow's case. I mean, 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.400 it's not severe reaggravation, but it could be severe if 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.440 he continues to push it as the season goes along. 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.280 Why do you make that foot because calves suck. 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.840 Calves are like hamstrings, and you can't do anything without 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.960 your calfs, especially at the quarterback position or the deepest 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:34.080 back position or any position. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.520 Yeah downhill, you know, you can't just tape it up. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.080 So, I mean, there's there's a lot of a lot 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.960 of moving parts in there, and so when you piss 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:42.760 it off, you got to chill on it for a while, 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:44.520 and you have to do constant work on it and 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.680 scar tissue, making sure nothing's being bound down. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.440 It's a it's a pain in the butt. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:49.920 And then it probably also I would think as a 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.760 quarterback limits your thought of running or moving as much. 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:55.680 You probably wanted to stay in the pocket more to that, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.360 and you don't want to limit somebody as talented as 0:08:58.440 --> 0:08:58.800 Joe Burn. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.360 Yeah. I mean, but you're staying on the balls your feet. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.480 That's what's the thing about this sport, right unless you're 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.720 a office alignment and you know you're on the balls 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.280 of your feet for everything that you do, so your 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.920 calf is activated like and dependent upon heavily. So it's 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:16.880 just it's a bad situation. I would play it super cautious, 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.720 super good, you know, safe. I would just be safe 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.160 as I'll get out and you know, Joe Burrow, your boy, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.760 oh Will Grier might get get a shot here sooner 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:25.680 or later out there. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.560 I will say, I do think that they've tried to 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.200 be as safe as they can with Donovan up to 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.680 this point too, because you think about when this happened. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.679 This is like right at the start of training camp. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.760 So I remember thinking at that time, like, oh, is 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:41.120 this something like he's gonna be back in like a 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.520 couple of weeks, and we didn't see him again on 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.320 the field until other than doing chords and things like that. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.439 So I think they are, to your point, trying to 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.000 give as much time as possible for sure, as. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.560 They helped out a lot of tensions being placed on 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.080 calves in the NFL right now. 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:59.280 Yeah, yeah, I think, And Mike McCarthy's talked about it too, 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.360 with Donovan and Wilson being closer than Tyler Smith. If 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.319 Tyler Smith's going to go, I think Donovan Wilson's well 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:05.960 ready for it. 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:07.679 We talked about it even last week. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.080 Do you let him sit because he did enter practice, 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.120 he didn't put the pads on last week, he was 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.600 limited throughout, but do you sit about one more week 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.040 if he's not ready? Of course, they did end up 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.400 doing that, so I think at least at this point, 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.320 like you said, the way that they've handled it with 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.480 caution from the very beginning, it looks like he's going 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.439 to be good to go heading into Sunday. 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.600 Now, there's plenty to talk about. 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.400 Of course, Today we're going to preview the Cowboys offense 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.720 versus the Cardinals, defense. But I want to talk about 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.880 some of these role players on the defensive side of 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.760 the football first, some of the guys that with Donovan 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:45.040 Wilson returning, how will their roles change and either diminish 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.320 or increase throughout the season. Starting with Marquis Bell. I mean, 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.319 Bell's come in, he's kind of been the enforcer. He's 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.800 played down a little bit at linebacker with some of 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.120 the injuries upfront. Do you think that who do you 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:59.080 think's role changes, Markuspell or wan Ye Thomas more with 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:00.199 the return of Donovan. 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.880 Wi Honestly I think both, Yeah, because you're not taking 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.720 Jay run off the field, You're not taking Leak Hooker 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.680 off the field, You're not taking Layton Vanderscher off the field, 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.560 You're not taking Damont Clark off the field. And so 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.640 Donovan Wilson fits in somewhere in there. But then that's 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.400 their thing about what's been so great about dan Quinn 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.440 is that he has different game plans week to week. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.240 And so I say that as a whole, like, after 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.960 you look at it several games and you look back, like, Okay, 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.880 who's tutored down? Have been take snaps away from I 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.120 think it'll be those two. 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.840 Yeah, I would lean wan Ye, but I'm with John. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.120 It's both both of those guys have been able to 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.280 kind of fill in for that role here in these 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.520 first two weeks, and we saw them kind of a 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.599 toy with those roles during training cam or excuse me, 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.360 during preseason as well. So I think Wanye just a 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.319 little bit more, just because I feel like he has 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.400 more of that defensive backfield tendency right now. Whereas Bell, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.319 they've been highlighting him in the second level. He's working 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.400 with the linebackers, it's been a little bit different. I 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.120 think he's eventually going to carve a role there where 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.080 he can rotate it more with a second level rather 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.720 than Donovan in the backfield. So I lean Wanye, but 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:03.400 both for sure. 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:05.840 Tuche touche touch. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.480 Now, what about on the second level with guys like 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.679 the Moon, clark in Leyton Vanderest. I mean, those the 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.839 two guys are pretty much solid in terms of the 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.240 roles that they're gonna have. But do you have anybody 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.640 on that second level that has to step up and 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:26.120 continue to take a step forward now with without having 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.360 to rotate down Marki's Bell with having Donovan Wilson now 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:30.720 come in the fold. Who else do you need to 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.720 step up at that second level at the linebacker spot. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:34.520 Nobody. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.440 Yeah, I don't see anything that's glaring right now. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.040 It would have been interesting, though, if Overshown stays healthy, 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.400 because you can only play eleven players on the field, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.800 and he was trending in a direction where you were 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.400 not going to want to take him off the field. 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.000 So I think that would have played a little bit 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.040 more into it. But there's just a lot of proven 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.600 guys in this defense that I'm trying to keep them 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:54.920 on the field as much as possible. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.200 I just think it's wild that you're running right now 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.520 with two linebackers. I mean, that's kind of what you're 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.360 running with. You're you're running with Layton Van Derush and 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.360 Dumont Clark. And that's kind of why I asked the question, 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.680 is there's nobody else there? I mean, the only other 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:11.120 linebacker on the entire roster is Devin Harper, and Devin 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:12.760 Harper has been special teams almost. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:14.880 I mean, I feel they look at it that way though, 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.560 I mean, just watching some of those drills in practice 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.599 and that he's down there with with the linebackers. I 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.960 think because of the overshown injury. That's the way they 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:21.520 view him. 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.240 Now, that's it still is wild. Like you said, it's 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.400 the way. It's a very non traditional def what would 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:29.360 you what would you call it? 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.520 Is it? I mean, is it a true it's like 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.199 a four to two pretty much for two? Yeah, four 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.320 two big nickel, that's I mean, it's like a base 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.920 big nickel. Now though, like that's not a rotating in 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:43.120 sort of view it is. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:43.319 It is. 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.000 Unfortunately with football, how it trickles up like it doesn't 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.560 trickle down. It's like it starts at you know, high school, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.480 college level, and then that stuff becomes such a norm 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.440 that it's like, well, yeah, if we're going to do 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.360 this and be successful in the pros, this is what 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.120 these guys are doing. We have to adapt to some 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.720 of this. And the game is obviously changed with all 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.280 the everyone's spread out like that. So that's why it 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:06.080 feeds into that. It's also why, unfortunately, you know, the 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:07.920 salaries for running backs have gone down themself. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.679 Yeah, and it'll turn around. It'll always flip. It's got 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:12.120 ebbs and flows back and forth. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.200 Running back may not I'll say this, if an injury 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:19.080 happens to either Leyton vander USh or de Mont Clark 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.440 at any point during the season, especially if it's like 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.040 during the first quarter of a really big game, we're 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.280 going to see that depth get really tested. Like Marky's 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.600 bell would have to step up in a huge way, 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.120 and I think he would be the guy to fill 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.120 in for either spot over Devin Harper or Wonder Thomas, 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.400 just in my opinion his athleticism, I don't feel like 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.040 you could you could keep that off the field in 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:41.200 that situation. That'd be tough, though, it'd be really tough. 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.440 You talked about the bubble guts on the offensive side 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.280 of the ball, that's that's a little bubble gut now 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.000 right now, it hasn't had to come into fruition because 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.320 your defensive line's. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.160 Been so good. Yeah, your secondary has been so good. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.400 But if it comes to the point where one of 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.720 those two guys does go down and he's not available 0:14:55.760 --> 0:15:00.280 for a significant amount of time, then it's I don't know, like, 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.720 where do you what does that defense even look like? 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:04.680 Yeah, I mean you got guys, I mean the second 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:10.720 level you just can't be physically. I don't know what's 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.360 the best way of saying this. When your defensive front 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.840 it's playing like they're playing, it's not a problem. 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.440 It's really not that much of an issue. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:17.560 Now. 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.000 If your defensive front is not getting penetration, if they're 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.720 not demanding double teams, or they're allowing guys them to 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.400 the second level, now all of a sudden, you need 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.120 some size right there because you don't want to get 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.520 just random over. You don't want to get to juggernauted. 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.000 So right now, it's not a problem, you know. And 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:33.800 even if there was an injury at that second level, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.200 if the defensive line continues to play like they're playing, 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.000 I still don't foresee it being a problem. Now, if 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:39.520 you come out against a team that is running the 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.120 crap out the ball, which I don't necessarily see one 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.360 team that we're going to face right now that is 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.360 doing that, then you would then you have some things 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:48.200 that you ever worry about. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.280 Let me post this question. Let's say an injury does 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.960 happen in the second level, they have a they have 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.800 a week to practice on it. They can they can 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:56.680 flush it out and make it look good. Do you 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:57.640 put Michael Parsons back? 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.560 And then I'm so glad you asked that. Literally was 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.640 what I was say. I was about to say. 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.640 I know no one's asking this, but if anyone out 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.160 there is thinking, I still don't want across across my. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.600 Mind for like point two seconds, and that counts it out. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.480