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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. Listener mail.

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Speaker 2: My name is Robert Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And I am Joe McCormick, and today we're bringing you

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Speaker 3: some responses to recent episodes of the show. You all

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Speaker 3: have been writing in about squirrels. You've been writing in

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Speaker 3: about pretend play, you've been writing in about Christmas, trees

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Speaker 3: in the ocean, all kinds of things to get into.

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Speaker 3: So Rob, unless you have any business to address right

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Speaker 3: here at the top, I say, let's jump right into

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Speaker 3: the messages.

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Speaker 2: No business here, let's do it, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm going to start with this message from

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Speaker 3: Hugh in response to our sort of revival of the

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Speaker 3: squirrel topic. So refresher here if you don't recall. Many

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Speaker 3: years ago, we did a series of episodes on the brutal,

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Speaker 3: largely unknown side of squirrels, including scientific observations of squirrels

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Speaker 3: eating the flesh of other animals scavenger, sometimes even killing

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Speaker 3: live prey, as well as legends of squirrel on squirrel castration,

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Speaker 3: anecdotes of squirrel attacks on humans with varying levels of

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Speaker 3: evidence behind them, in plausibility etc. Then, just earlier this month,

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Speaker 3: we returned to the topic of squirrels because of a

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Speaker 3: newly published paper from December twenty twenty four. A lot

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Speaker 3: of you got in touch with us to let us

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Speaker 3: know about this, a paper that extensively documented a population

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Speaker 3: of California ground squirrels roughly northeast of the San Francisco area,

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Speaker 3: systematically hunting and eating live adult voles, which seemed to

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Speaker 3: be related to a concurrent explosion in.

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Speaker 2: The vole population. Vole meat got.

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Speaker 3: Cheap, essentially, so squirrels were like, why not, let's eat

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Speaker 3: them anyway. After covering this, we heard from many listeners

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Speaker 3: with thoughts about squirrels, sometimes about their surprising ferocity or

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Speaker 3: their lesser known tendency to eat meat. So, first of all,

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Speaker 3: this message from Hugh reads, Dear Robert and Joe and JJ,

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Speaker 3: happiest of New Year's toe you all. I have to

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Speaker 3: agree with Rob's view of squirrel kind. Rob, maybe you

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Speaker 3: can remind us what this view was after you hear

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Speaker 3: Hugh's thoughts. Hugh says, I once saw a big, furry

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Speaker 3: orange tomcat get hold of a gray squirrel in an open,

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Speaker 3: sunny patch of lawn. I lost track of what was

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Speaker 3: happening for a few seconds due to the Looney Tunes

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Speaker 3: esque mailstrom obscuring the action. But when the dust and

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Speaker 3: fur had settled and a mostly orange rocket had disappeared

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Speaker 3: over the horizon, I could tell that the paradigm had

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Speaker 3: shifted for that cat. Squirrels are expletive metal. You're all

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Speaker 3: still doing a great job. I love your work, Hugh. Well,

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Speaker 3: thanks for the message, Hugh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever seen this particular thing happen,

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Speaker 3: like the squirrel sends the larger predator running, but I

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Speaker 3: can believe it. Rob, do you do you know which

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Speaker 3: of you of yours this is conforming to?

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Speaker 2: We had just that they're for a grappling hooks. They're fierce,

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Speaker 2: their tree lions and matches up. We have the story

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Speaker 2: that I told about one chasing off a hawk in

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Speaker 2: my backyard, a girl doing squirrel business. A hawk moved

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Speaker 2: in to interfere with that business in some manner or fashion,

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Speaker 2: and the squirrel was having none of it, and the

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Speaker 2: hawk was like, okay, fair enough, I'll go pest or

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Speaker 2: something else.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense. Now you referred to them as grappling hooks. This,

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Speaker 3: of course is giving me the image of an expanded

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Speaker 3: movie Ninja tool Kit where the ninja from their belt

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Speaker 3: unthinkable use of it.

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Speaker 2: There is a Marvel superhero named squirrel Girl. My kid

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Speaker 2: but it's usually played up for cuteness I believe. I mean,

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Speaker 2: she's fearce and strong in her own right. But I

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Speaker 2: don't know if they completely embrace the unholy ferocity of

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Speaker 2: the squirrel, because squirrel Girl could be very metal, and

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Speaker 2: maybe she is very metal in some installments. If not,

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Speaker 2: I hope comic book artists out there embrace the beastly

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Speaker 3: All right, Rob, you want to do one of these

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Speaker 3: following messages?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's one from Carl titled Squirrel's Return Dear Robin Joe.

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Speaker 2: Without intent, I've apparently created a squirrel paradise in my backyard,

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Speaker 2: which is great. Their acrobatics entertain and fascinate me and

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Speaker 2: my retriever Australian sheep dog Roxy. They are minimally destructive

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Speaker 2: while they go about their lives making families, building their nests, harvesting,

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Speaker 2: hickory nuts and covorting in the woods outside my kitchen

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Speaker 2: window and off the deck. Of all the creatures there,

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Speaker 2: the squirrels and birds are the least destructive, paired with

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Speaker 2: the chipmunks and rabbits that destroy plants and gardens. So

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this episode. I haven't seen my squirrels

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Speaker 2: interesting and very useful if my squirrels would develop an

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Speaker 2: appetite for rabbit. Here's do a great new year, Carl.

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Speaker 2: Best of luck to you, Carl. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: think there's a way to engineer that. Maybe we wouldn't try,

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Speaker 2: remember old Carl there. Oh yeah, he tried to teach

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Speaker 2: his squirrels to eat rabbit meat. Now they only eat

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the backstory to Night of the Squirrels. Okay, on

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Speaker 3: to the next squirrel message. Two comments before reading this one.

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Speaker 3: One of them is context for the message Rob when

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Speaker 3: in the follow up episode we talked about your story

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Speaker 3: of encountering aggressive squirrels at Grand Canyon National Park and

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Speaker 3: how this related to the people feeding the animals at

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean it just gets into the basics of,

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Speaker 2: overt danger to humans, if they associate humans with food,

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Speaker 2: then they'll just get closer, and the closer they are,

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Speaker 2: the more likely it is to end and bites, scratches

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Speaker 2: and so forth. We want them to remain wild, wild

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Speaker 3: And your direct experience was that what did a squirrel

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's all a snack bar and made a

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Speaker 3: And then the second comment before reading this is I

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Speaker 3: but I did think it was worth sharing to discuss

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Speaker 3: is from Ben, subject line trolling wildlife. Hello, gentlemen, your

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Speaker 3: recent episode on squirrels was fascinating and entertaining, as is

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Speaker 3: all your excellent content.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Ben.

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Speaker 3: The discussion at the end of the episode around feeding

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Speaker 3: wildlife brought to mind the fun game I play with

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Speaker 3: excessively bold wildlife. When I encounter small animals that seem

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Speaker 3: to ruin the trust they have developed for humans. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for the Great show. Ben Okay, Ben, Well, thank you

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Speaker 3: I see the reasoning here, like, of course, it's not

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Speaker 3: So once again, people whose job it is to study

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Speaker 3: how to protect wildlife and try to try to sever this,

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Speaker 3: this link or this desensitization, please write in let us

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Speaker 2: Thoughts, all right. We also received more feedback about Hearts

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Speaker 2: and Fireplaces. That was a multi serious episode. We did

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Speaker 2: animals used chimneys as habitat. My family moved houses a

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Speaker 2: roosting and raising their young. They used cliff faces and

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Speaker 2: page showing the cross section of a house, point to

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Speaker 2: an animal, say a dog shown sweeping in a bed,

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Speaker 2: and tell a story about dog getting out of bed,

435
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Speaker 2: taking a shower, going downstairs to have breakfast. Then I

436
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: turned to another page that had a picture of another animal,

437
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Speaker 2: say a rabbit driving a car, and I'd say something like,

438
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Speaker 2: here's dog's friend, rabbit. He's a teenager, so he can

439
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 2: drive a car, and then describe rabbit driving the car

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Speaker 2: up to dog's house and dog getting in the car.

441
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Speaker 2: Then I might ask a question for them to help

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Speaker 2: form the story, like do they need to take the

443
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 2: freeway to get to the grocery store? And if yes,

444
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: I turned to the picture of the freeway and talk

445
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Speaker 2: about them driving and some of the crazy things they'd see.

446
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: I am interested in your reaction and thoughts here. It

447
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: is sort of like your toy lightsaber example, and that

448
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: there is a particular image of a thing, say the dog,

449
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: that is part of the story, but then the activities

450
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: in the story need to be imagined more like the

451
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Speaker 2: fully pretend play. And as an even broader issue, did

452
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Speaker 2: you come across any discussion in your research about the

453
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Speaker 2: relationship of storytelling to theory of mine. I suspect that

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Speaker 2: listening to stories, hearing descriptions of other characters making decisions

455
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Speaker 2: based on their own emotions and own mental states would

456
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Speaker 2: help children develop a theory of mine. Thanks for the

457
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Speaker 2: great podcast and infotainment, David.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for the message, David. In response to your

459
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 3: later question about whether there's a link between storytelling and

460
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 3: theory of mind, we did talk about that sum in

461
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Speaker 3: at least one of the episodes in the series. I

462
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Speaker 3: don't know if it was one of the ones you

463
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Speaker 3: hadn't heard yet, but my memory of this issue is

464
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Speaker 3: that essentially, yes, it does look based on so results

465
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Speaker 3: like there could be a link there, but the evidence

466
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: is sort of weak. So it's one of those things that, yeah,

467
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: it's quite possible there's a link, but we shouldn't have

468
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Speaker 3: super high confidence about that. I recall one of the

469
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Speaker 3: things was just like a study actually not in children,

470
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Speaker 3: but in adults that tried to see if there was

471
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Speaker 3: any link between reading fiction and then better theory of

472
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Speaker 3: mind skills and adults. And this study found that they

473
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Speaker 3: at least thought that there was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but at any rate, I love this creative

475
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Speaker 2: storytelling exercise of you using the Richard Scary books or

476
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Speaker 2: anything like them to sort of come up with these

477
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Speaker 2: little stories and decide what's happening. I recently granted this

478
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Speaker 2: is my child is twelve going on thirteen now, But

479
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: during the recent snow we busted out another one of

480
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 2: these puzzles by the Magic Puzzle Company. You can look

481
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Speaker 2: them up in the Magic Puzzle Company, and they have

482
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Speaker 2: these one wonderful puzzles that are just so it's custom

483
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: art work for the puzzle. It's not like some other

484
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 2: piece of work that's been adapted to the puzzle. So

485
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: they put a lot of effort into making sure that

486
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Speaker 2: almost every piece has something interesting going on to it.

487
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Speaker 2: Little pieces have cute little characters or mysterious little characters. Overall,

488
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: very cute, very imaginative vibe, think like adventure time, that

489
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Speaker 2: sort of thing, And they're a real joy to put

490
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: together because everything seems to have a story, there's a

491
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Speaker 2: big reveal that happens, and so you spend a lot

492
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Speaker 2: of time with your family, friends, or fellow puzzlers whoever

493
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: they happen to be not only piecing together the physical

494
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Speaker 2: jigsaw puzzle, but also piecing together whatever kind of magical

495
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: narrative seems to be happening. Who what are the factions here,

496
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Speaker 2: what are they trying to do? Who is this guy?

497
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Speaker 2: Who is this other guy? And so forth. So that

498
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Speaker 2: experience reminds me a little bit about what you're talking

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Speaker 2: about here. Well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also, David, I can say that we do

501
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 3: a similar thing in our household. I don't think we

502
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Speaker 3: get quite as elaborate with the you know, the the

503
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 3: jumping off storytelling as you're describing here, at least not yet.

504
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: But we do a lot of embellishing as we read books.

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00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 3: So when I read a book to my daughter, I

506
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: will ask her questions about things that are not contained

507
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Speaker 3: in the story of the book. Is just like, oh,

508
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 3: are these two characters friends? What do they do together?

509
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: You know that kind of thing, And she does like

510
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: to embellish on that sort of thing usually, you know,

511
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Speaker 3: what do they do together?

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Speaker 2: They play? What do they play? Dinosaurs? All right, what

513
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: do we have next here? Oh, let's see.

514
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Speaker 3: We got a message about pretend to play from frequent

515
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Speaker 3: correspondent Renata. Renata says, Hi, guys, the topic of play,

516
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: and particularly imaginative play, is near and dear to my heart.

517
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: I could listen to ten stuff to blow your mind

518
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 3: episodes on this topic and write you ten letters, but

519
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: I'll try to keep it brief for now. First of all,

520
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: I had a bee friend. Oh yeah, Rob, we talked

521
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: about be friends. Ranada's befriend, She says. His name was Buzz. Basically,

522
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: any rotund, bumblebee I found hanging on the side of

523
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: the house was Buzz. I don't remember having in depth

524
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 3: conversations with Buzz, but I acted as though he was

525
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 3: a single bee who remembered me and was my friend.

526
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: I also had a friend who was a ghost named Boo.

527
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Speaker 3: I was not very creative with naming my imaginary friends.

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Speaker 2: Apparently.

529
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: I am the youngest of four and fairly sure. I'm

530
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Speaker 3: the only one who had any imaginary friends. Incidentally, my father,

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Speaker 3: in his sixties befriended a mouse he named Kluegie. My

532
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: dad insists he was friends with this mouse for seven

533
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: years and that he knew it was the same mouse

534
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: because of a kink in its tail for a period

535
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Speaker 3: of a couple of years. During this time, Kloogie did

536
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: live in a cage but got loose often. I think

537
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: that this gets at the blurriness you touched on concerning

538
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: the subtle difference between a pet and an imaginary friend.

539
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: In college, I spent a semester working with Pascal Boyer,

540
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: who is well known for his work in the anthropology

541
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Speaker 3: of religion, but at the time he was exploring children's

542
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: beliefs about what objects can have sentients and how that

543
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: relates to theory of mind. For example, why is the

544
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Speaker 3: idea of a sentient helicopter perfectly acceptable to children? What

545
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: can the sentient helicopter know and do that regular helicopters can't, And,

546
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: as you bring up in the episode, how close do

547
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: these pretend sentient objects come to being gods or spiritual beings?

548
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: A related topic I like to ponder is why do

549
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: children today love dinosaurs and vehicles like trucks and helicopters?

550
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: Are they somehow easier to personify than other objects and animals?

551
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: Before it was dinosaurs and trucks, What were kids obsessed with. Finally,

552
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, if you're going to touch on pro wrestle,

553
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: maybe you still will. Ben has gotten me into wrestling,

554
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: which we see in Milwaukee a couple of times a year,

555
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: and we saw in Japan last summer. I find that

556
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: being at a wrestling event is one of the few

557
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: times as an adult that comes close to that feeling

558
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: of pretend play from childhood. You brought up other types

559
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: of adult play like theater and sports, and wrestling is

560
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: definitely those things, but it's also an invitation to the

561
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: audience to play and participate in the pretend That feels unique.

562
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: My new favorite wrestler is Dan the Dad. His persona

563
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: is he is your dad. Yes, it gets weird, but

564
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: he probably got the most enthusiasm from the crowd at

565
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: the last event we went to because he's a relatable character.

566
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Speaker 3: You know, he's the good guy. No one wants to

567
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: see their dad get punched anyway. Excited for the remainder

568
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: of the pretend play episodes, and I couldn't wait to

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Speaker 3: write in all the best renata m Rob, you're the

570
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Speaker 3: one with the wrestling knowledge.

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Speaker 2: I don't know Dan the dad, but I'm vaguely aware. Yeah,

572
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: I've never seen them perform, but yeah, there are a

573
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: lot of kookie characters like this, especially in the ndie scene.

574
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean you deal with something like wrestling,

575
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: you're dealing with that, you know, that willing suspension of disbelief,

576
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: which you know is obviously there in other mediums as well.

577
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: It's certainly there in film, for example. But uh, yeah,

578
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: I guess there is something about like the live wrestling

579
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: experience where the crowd is participating to a certain degree,

580
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: they are engaged in the k fabe reality. So yeah,

581
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: that's probably worth thinking about. It does have its own

582
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: sort of unique flavor that doesn't compare one to one

583
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: with anything else out there. I mean, that's why it's

584
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: so popular and it remains popular, and I think that's

585
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: also why you do find plenty of examples of it

586
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: sucking new people in. Like it's it's not just this

587
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: niche thing that you have to have grown up up

588
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: on it and be primed you know, I have no

589
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: numerous people who take in a show when they go

590
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: to say Mexico City, or they go to Tokyo or

591
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: somewhere else in Japan, and you know, they have the

592
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: opportunity to go to a live show and it's a

593
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: lot of fun. So yeah, live pro wrestling is can

594
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: be pretty neat, so you know, shop around, but try

595
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: one out if you're interested.

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00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people who are not into

597
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: it and then first sort of discover it as adults

598
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: are surprised to find how much drama there is in it,

599
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: like comedy and drama. Like they think of it primarily

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00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: just as the wrestling, the physical activity, you know, the

601
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: moves and the flips and all that, and don't realize

602
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: how much talking there is, and you know.

603
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: That it's like a soap opera.

604
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: There are these relationships and sort of hyping and talking

605
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: up matches and establishing conflicts and that a lot of

606
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: it is very funny.

607
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, honestly some of the I haven't done tons

608
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: of live but of the shows I've been to, the

609
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: most fun I've found. The matches have all been like

610
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: lower card matches, so not you know, it's not some

611
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: sort of like a main storyline, not a not any

612
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: kind of like a championship match, not even like you know,

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00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: the top performers in a given promotion. But they're just

614
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: putting on a fun match. They're engaging with the crowd

615
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: to a certain degree. They're throwing in some humor and

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00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: some stupid slapstick. And really those are the matches that

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00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed the most, far more than any of the

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00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: main events.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the lower card matches. Again, I don't have as

620
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: much wrestling experience as you, but they seem to me

621
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: often more like this is when you bring out the

622
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Speaker 3: zany characters, like the you know, the equivalent the wrestling

623
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: equivalent of the character in a Coen Brothers movie who

624
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: has six lines, but as hilarious and you remember them exactly.

625
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: All right, here's another and this one is in response

626
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: to our episodes on Sacred Trees. This was another one

627
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: of our series in the latter half of the previous year.

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Speaker 2: This one comes to us from Rodri. Rodri writes in

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Speaker 2: and says, Hi, Robert, Joe, and JJ I've been a

630
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: listener since the stuff from the Science Lab days. That

631
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: was the original title of this podcast. This podcast feed

632
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: back in the very early days, back when you really

633
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: had to describe and explain what a podcast was to

634
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: everyone you knew they continue, but I've never had a

635
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Speaker 2: good enough reason to contribute to listener mail. That all

636
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: changed when I heard the episodes on Sacred Trees and

637
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: especially in light of Robert Trees and exploits in Wales.

638
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: I live in Swansea in South Wales and grew up here.

639
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 2: When we were kids, our dad often took my brother

640
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Speaker 2: and I to visit all kinds of natural and historical

641
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Speaker 2: places in South and West Wales. One of these places

642
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: of interest was a small eleventh century church in the

643
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Speaker 2: village of Nevern. Never In is situated in the west

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Speaker 2: of Whales, in an area rich in historical and natural wonders.

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Speaker 2: Apart from the castles and dramatic landscapes, it is near

646
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Speaker 2: to the site where the famous bluestones of Stonehenge were quarried.

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Speaker 2: It is still something of a mystery how the two

648
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Speaker 2: to five ton stone pillars were transported five thousand years

649
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: ago the one hundred and eighty miles from the Priscilli

650
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: Hills to Stonehenge. The reason he took us there was

651
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: to see the bleeding yew tree in Saint Brannock's Church.

652
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: The tree is one of four gnarled and ancient ewes

653
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: lining the path to the church, each said to be

654
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: seven hundred years old. The blood oozes from the sight

655
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 2: of an amputated limb a dark red sap that leaves

656
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: vivid streaks down the trunk. You wood is red, but

657
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: the sap is usually white. So there has been no

658
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: satisfactory explanation for the phenomenon. It has of corresponded many legends.

659
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: The most popular reason is that the tree started bleeding

660
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: in sympathy for Jesus as he was crucified. Sounds likely.

661
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: I think that's probably it. Continue. The church itself has

662
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: many other historic features, several inscriptions written within the church

663
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: written in Augham, the ancient Celtic writing system, and a

664
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: large stone cross decorated with intricate Celtic not designs. But

665
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: as the Never and Castle website laments quote, the church

666
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: has become a favorite on the tourist trail in West Wales.

667
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: The numbers signing the visitor's book would suggest about fifteen

668
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: thousand a year. Unfortunately, their interest is drawn to the

669
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: so called bleeding you more than the Christian heritage and

670
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: relevance of the place. They're mad. Yeah, I mean, I

671
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: accept any blame that may be appropriate for being a

672
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: tourist in Wales, though I don't think I know we

673
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: did not get to see the bleeding YOUW tree. I

674
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: would have probably gone for it. Sorry. You trees are

675
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: commonly found in graveyards throughout the UK, Ireland and parts

676
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: of Europe, and the folklore surrounding the species is fascinating,

677
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: worthy of another episode in the Sacred Tree series. If

678
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: I may be so bold, you was doxically symbolic of

679
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: good and bad luck, of death or eternal life. The

680
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: U is one of Ireland's five magical trees, and there

681
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: are many suggestions why they are so often found in cemeteries.

682
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 2: Norman churches were often located near the sites of older

683
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: sacred temples, and the U was imported to Druids, who

684
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: viewed it as an emblem of the soul's immortality. It

685
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: has been proposed that because you would was used to

686
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: make long bows, planting them could provide a supply to

687
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: protect the church and surrounding areas. Another idea is that

688
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: they were grown to discourage local farmers grazing their livestock

689
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: in the church grounds. According to Britain's Best Guides dot

690
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: Org quote, there have been many practical reasons for planting

691
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: ewes near to dead bodies. U seeds, needles, and bark

692
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: carry an alkaloid poison called taxine that would kill cattle

693
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: that graze on them. According to one study, a dose

694
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: of one hundred grams of chopped leaves could kill an adult.

695
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: That's a fine reason to keep cattle out of graveyards,

696
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: helping to preserve the ground and the bodies beneath. Some

697
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: people even believe that the ues produced these poisons from

698
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: the vapors escaping from the graves. The toxicity was well known.

699
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: The witches in Shakespeare's Metbeth concoct a poisonous brew, including

700
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: slips of U silvered in the moon's eclipse. Really, rodri

701
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: here has done our research for us here. There's some

702
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: more material there sighting here. In her book The Folklore

703
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: of Plants, Margaret Baker says, quote, Finnman believed that witches

704
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 2: sheltered under ues, and sensible people should avoid them. In Brittany,

705
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: a churchyard, U spread a root to the mouth of

706
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: every corpse buried there sprigs of you hang from Spanish

707
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: balconies against lightning and hebridine thatch against fire over the

708
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: kneading trough Easter gathered you prevents heavy bread. Hmm, hey,

709
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: don't want that heavy bread. How Marie Trevelyan wrote in

710
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 2: Folklore and Folk Stories of Whales in nineteen oh nine, quote,

711
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: the U was regarded as the gentle guardian of the

712
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: dead and was formally revered so much in Wales that

713
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: to cut it down was considered an act of desecration,

714
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: while to burn any part of it was looked upon

715
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: as sacrilege. I could go on, but I'm in danger

716
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: of getting lost down this rabbit hole forever, so I'll

717
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: leave it there. Cheers Rodri.

718
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much, Rodri. Amazing message and full

719
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: of interesting folklore there.

720
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

721
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 3: Actually I remember looking a bit at the U tree

722
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 3: when we were doing the Sacred Trees episode, but didn't

723
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: end up selecting that as my main research focus.

724
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: But we could absolutely come back to that, absolutely. Yeah,

725
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: I too glanced at some of the sources on the you.

726
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: Some of the sources I was looking at regarding the

727
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: trees we did cover like they also discussed the U.

728
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, all right, this next message comes to

729
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: us from Jeff. This is in response to a few

730
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: different things. One is our Christmas is an episode on

731
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: Christmas Trees in the Deep in which we talked about

732
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: the biology of various undersea organisms like certain tube worms

733
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 3: and seaweed which resemble or are named after Christmas decorations.

734
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: This one also touches on rock and roll, wolf and

735
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: other subjects. Jeff says subject line Easter eggs and Troubled Kids.

736
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: Hey guys, just catching up on the holiday episodes. Your

737
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: episode on Sunken Christmas Trees reminded me of something I

738
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: saw regarding the harvesting of herring eggs in Sitka Sound

739
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 3: in Alaska, although this is done closer to Easter than Christmas.

740
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: When the herring spawn in the springtime, the locals will

741
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: submerge stuff such as kelp tree branches and sometimes entire

742
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: trees in the sound. The herring eggs will stick to

743
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: anything in the water, and when they're pulled up, they

744
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: look like they've been tinseled or maybe timpurud. With glistening

745
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 3: fish eggs. They look absolutely delicious and are considered quite

746
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: the treat. Although I suppose it's also possible that it's

747
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: a super fishy acquired taste situation.

748
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: I hope to find out someday.

749
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 3: And then Rabbi looked up an image of this and

750
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 3: included it here in the outline. So this is somebody

751
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 3: who has submerged some tree branches, look like some spruce branches,

752
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: into the water and pulled them up. I perfectly described

753
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 3: to Jeff. They looked tempora battered and fried.

754
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 2: They really did look delicious.

755
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 3: Making me hungry right now, crunchy. Then Jeff goes on

756
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: even more tangentially. In the Weird House episode on Rock

757
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: and Roll Wolf, you discussed the fairy tale of the

758
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: Wolf and the Seven Kids. This is the fairy tale

759
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: that that movie was loosely based on. Jeff says, I

760
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: don't think this one is very popular in America, and

761
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: I certainly never heard of it when I was a kid.

762
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: It's interesting how some oji Esop's fables and grim tails

763
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 3: resonate in some cultures but not others. Now, Jeff has

764
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: some other great stuff in this message, but I'm gonna

765
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: skip over it because it contained some spoilers for a

766
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: Japanese novel. The novel is called The Lonely Castle in

767
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: the Mirror by an author named Mizuki Sujimura, and apparently

768
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 3: there's also an anime film adaptation of this novel. I'm

769
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 3: not familiar at all, but it sounds very interesting based

770
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: on Jeff's description, and apparently the fairy tale The Wolf

771
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: and Seven Goats plays a role in.

772
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: The plot of this story.

773
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: But Jeff wraps up by saying, anyway, that was quite

774
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: the digression. But what I really meant to say was

775
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: thanks for all the mental stimulation you gift us with

776
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: every week looking forward to a new year of stuff. Jeff,

777
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: thank you so much.

778
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: Jeff. Yeah, awesome. I had to look up this manga

779
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 2: and film adaptation. I'm not familiar with these, but I'll

780
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: have to put it on the list. There's so many,

781
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: so much great Japanese media that I still need to

782
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: get to. I'm constantly adding new things. I just watched

783
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: Cats on Park Avenue, though, so I'm one ahead on

784
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: all the great Japanese classics, especially in terms of cat

785
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: based musicals. I'm gonna have to check that one out.

786
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: It's very sweet. If you want a what an eighties

787
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: musical that's all about street cats, It's it's really the

788
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: only film for you. Perfect all right, Let's go ahead

789
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: and skip on to some Weird House cinema listener mail.

790
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: This one comes to us from Stephen. Steven says, Hey,

791
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: Joe and Robert, I have to say your episode's on

792
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: Weird House are so in depth, colorful, thorough and engaging

793
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: that I often don't feel a need to go watch

794
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: the movies you discuss. Well, I don't know. It feels

795
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: like it's kind of a failure on our part. Then wait,

796
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: is it? You can watch them if you want to,

797
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: not if you don't, But I don't want to make it.

798
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: You know, the situation where people like I don't need

799
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: to watch that now because they watched it for me.

800
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: I guess it's fine, But anyway, Stephen says, this is

801
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: because your journey through the movies is an artful form

802
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: of entertainment all on its own. I sometimes think watching

803
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: the film would be a disappointment after the movie that's

804
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: played in my head listening to you guys discussing it.

805
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: Thank you, Steven, You're very kind. I guess I can imagine.

806
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: It does remind me, for instance, of the example of

807
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: growing up hearing other kids talk about horror movies that

808
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen. And you know what I ended up

809
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: in my building, up in my head was far more

810
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: frightening than anything that was actually in most of these films.

811
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's true. I think we've discussed that before.

812
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: You know, one thing I will say, playing off of

813
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: Stephen's comment here, is that I think that how good

814
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: our weird house cinema episodes are is not necessarily related

815
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: to how good the movie is. You know, Like I

816
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: feel like some of my favorite episodes that we've done

817
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: have been about some of the Duller movies that we've covered.

818
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes they just are fun to talk about.

819
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, in a great movie, it might

820
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: make for a really fun episode and that we really

821
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: get to gush about it, or maybe it has really

822
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: interesting connections, or there's some sort of social commentary going on.

823
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun to discuss. But I don't know,

824
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: there are plenty of films and great weird films that

825
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: we haven't covered in part because it's like, well it's great,

826
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: we talk about how great it is. But I don't know,

827
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: you have to find the right balance.

828
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't mean to suggest the inverse either.

829
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: I don't think the worse a movie is the better

830
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: an episode.

831
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: It makes.

832
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: It just feels like is kind of unrelated to the

833
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: quality of the film.

834
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, all right, Steven continues says, Anyway,

835
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: I have to recommend a movie for you. I'm not

836
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: sure it's up to snuff for an episode, but I

837
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: do think it's so outlandish, derivative and not quite brilliant

838
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: that I have to at least tell you about it.

839
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: It's called Revenge of the Radioactive Reporter nineteen ninety. I

840
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: watched it almost the whole way through, and every couple

841
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: of minutes some action or line of dialogue was so

842
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: stupid that I was surprised constantly and even laughed a

843
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: fair amount, probably an uncomfortable laugh, but laughter. Nonetheless, I'd

844
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 2: caught it for free last year in English on YouTube,

845
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: but I think it's been removed. I hope you can

846
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: find a decent copy of it, queue it up for someone,

847
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: and enjoy the odd rid it offers. Thanks for so

848
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: many years of high quality edutainment on your show. Whenever

849
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: someone asked me what podcast I listened to, Yours is

850
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: the first I mentioned, Stephen, Are you not edutained? Well,

851
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: I have never heard of this film. I'm looking at

852
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: it now, and I recognize no one involved in it,

853
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: so I am intrigued on that alone. Yeah, from the

854
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: director of nothing else that I've seen.

855
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: Thank you for the recommendation, Stephen. We'll have to give

856
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: it a look. Oh, here's a very brief message from

857
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: a different Stephen.

858
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 2: Stephen All.

859
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 3: The message says is I recently watched Dracula's Dog aka

860
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: Zoltan colon hound of Dracula and feel it would be

861
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Speaker 3: right up your guys, Ali, your guys Ali. And then

862
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Speaker 3: Stephen this difference even just attaches a poster where we

863
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: get Dracula's dog and kind of the oh, is that

864
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: a calligraphy font or is that in frocture perhaps you know,

865
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: it's something that looks like pen strokes. And then we

866
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: get Dracula standing in a big ball of fire and

867
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 3: he's got his arms outstretched and a head of a

868
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 3: Doberman or something like that in the foreground, with pure

869
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: white eyes and fangs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

871
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 3: The the tagline is there's more to the legend than

872
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: meets the throat.

873
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 2: Very clever.

874
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: This has come up on the show several times. We

875
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: keep getting connections to Dracula's Dog.

876
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: How do we get there? I don't remember the exact connections,

877
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's come up a number of times. I

878
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: think I falsely referred to it as Zoltan Colon Dracula's

879
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: actual dog once, so that that alternative titles stuck in

880
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: my head. It's just such a ridiculous concept, and I

881
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: am intrigued. I love I love the Dracula adaptation, but

882
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: I really love of Dracula adaptations that are multiple steps

883
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: removed from the source material.

884
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: It's absurd, but it's also a logical progression because you

885
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: get right of Frankenstein, then you get son of Frankenstein,

886
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: daughter of Dracula. You kind of exhaust all of the

887
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: immediate family relations there, and so what's next. Are you

888
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: gonna go uncle of Dracula, No, you go Dracula's dog.

889
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: Plus, it also seems like it's maybe a crossover situation

890
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 2: here with this film, because it is definitely a vampire film,

891
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: but it's also like a nineteen seventies doberman'sploitation picture, you know,

892
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: I feel like there were a lot of scary Doberman's

893
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 2: going on in nineteen seventies motion pictures. I guess I'm

894
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: thinking mostly like the Boys from Brazil, but there are

895
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: multiple other examples that I feel like some chase James

896
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: Bond a little later in the nineteen eighties, but.

897
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 3: In Moonrakers Drags You'd played by Michael Lonsdale.

898
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: He's got a couple of killer dogs that in that.

899
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: I watched a lot of James Bond movies when I

900
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: was a kid. I don't know if that was a

901
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: good influencer not probably not. But one thing I really

902
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: remember being scary was that there's like a lady in

903
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: moon Breaker who the villain just like sicks his dogs

904
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: on to kill her.

905
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: It was horrifying. Yeah, Like growing up watching that and

906
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: various other seventies pictures prepared me for the idea that

907
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: Doberman's were scary monsters. And then when I think it

908
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 2: was when I first started seeing my future wife, her

909
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: parents had I just completely terrifying Doberman to be clear,

910
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: Like I think, you know a Doberman that had been

911
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: through a lot before it was adopted, you know, but

912
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: more afraid of people than I was of it. But

913
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: I was pretty afraid of it because I found this

914
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: Doberman rather terrifying, and it seemed to back up everything

915
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: that these films taught me. To believe about them. That

916
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: doberman eventually died and they got a new Doberman who

917
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: was very sweet, So that changed. That helped soothe my

918
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 2: understanding of the breed. Dracula's dog. However, Zultan does look

919
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 2: like a complete nightmare. This is a bad dog. Yeah.

920
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 3: Does it not matter if you hold out your hand

921
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 3: to let him sniff you first, all the etiquette fails.

922
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't invite him in. Oh here's another one, another

923
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: weird house when this one comes from Dick subject, didn't

924
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: everyone's ancestors come over on the sandwich? There? Am I

925
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: missing something? Kudos on your excellent episode on Innerspace. I

926
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: never thought of it as a weird house type film,

927
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: but there it was. Ride in plain sight this whole

928
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: time special thanks to David Streepy. Great job. Yeah, this

929
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: was a weird house episode where David Streepy friend and

930
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: fellow podcasts who joined me on the show to discuss

931
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: let him pick out a film. He picked Innerspace and yeah, Interspace,

932
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: whatever your memories of it are, it's a pretty weird film.

933
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: It's pretty bonkers and has a one of the stranger

934
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 2: love trying I think ever committed to cinema.

935
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 3: Is that the shrink and go inside a body movie

936
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: that's intentionally funny, or the one that's not intentionally fun.

937
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's intentionally funny. It's Joe Dante, so it

938
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 2: does you know, it certainly doesn't reach Grimlins two heights

939
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 2: of hilarity, but it goes for it. It's it's pretty

940
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: bonkers and just keeps laying, adding layer upon layer of bonkers.

941
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: And the reference didn't Everyone's ancestors come over on the

942
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: sandwich that's from Futurama. We were talking about how we

943
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: haven't really had a shrink movie in a while with

944
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: miniaturization and then insert into the human body, but over

945
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: in previous decades, and I guess this is several decades

946
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: back now. With a Futurama example, you did have that

947
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: episode where Fry gets intestinal worms from eating a sandwich

948
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: that he buys out of a I believe a bathroom

949
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: condom machine, and he gets the worms. The worms make

950
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: him super intelligent, and his friends have to go in

951
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: and like take out the warm colony.

952
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 3: Sorry, I was just trying to think of the name

953
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: of this other movie. The other shrink can go inside

954
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: a body in a submarine movie. Is it Fantastic Voyage that's.

955
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: Got rockel welch. Yes, Yeah, Fantastic Voyage is the big one,

956
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: and that's the granddaddy of all miniaturization films. I was

957
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: a huge fan of that one growing up. I read

958
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 2: Isaac Asimov's novelization. Yeah, I mean that without Fantastic Voyage

959
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have things like Innerspace obviously, but I haven't

960
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 2: seen nineteen sixty six. Is Fantastic Voyage in quite a while?

961
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: Probably merits a revision. Donald Pleasance is in it. That's right,

962
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: all right. Well, on that note, we're gonna ahead wrap

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Speaker 2: up this episode of Stuff to Will Your Mind. Listener mail,

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