1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Odd Couple podcasts. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Be sure to check us out live every weekday from 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: four to seven pm Pacific seven to ten pm Eastern 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: us every day on the iHeartRadio by searching FSR. 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple. 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: The Athletics annual QB Tiers came out earlier on Monday, 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 3: and actually Mike Sandal's gonna be on the show later 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 3: this week's talking Yes, friend of the show, Mike Sando. 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 3: But as you mentioned, Rob, the tiers are out, and surprise, surprise, 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes topped the list for the fifth consecutive season. 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: Named a unanimous Tier one quarterback for the fifth consecutive season, 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 3: one short of. 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers' record. Pretty impressive for that one. 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 3: What's interesting, though about this, Linn, is that three anonymous 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 3: coaches were all quoted in the piece about Patrick Mahomes, 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 3: and if you listen to the commentary, they're all almost 19 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: leading you down a track that would suggest maybe he 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 3: shouldn't be Tier one. Here's number one anonymous offensive cordiator 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: patri Mahomes says, quote, I think Mahomes is the best 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 3: quarterback to ever live, but the gap is smaller than 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: it was a year ago. Anonymous GM says, quote, Mahomes 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: is the best quarterback in the world, but Josh Allen, 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson a better individual seasons. In fairness, the infrastructure 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: around Patrick has e road it last, but not least. 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: Anonymous head coach on Patrick Mahomes says, quote, Patrick Mahomes 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 3: obviously still a one, but he is winning out of 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 3: need at the end of games. 30 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 4: That's what it's about. 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: But Burrow, Lamar and Josh played better than him in 32 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 3: quarters one through. 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 5: Four, and that's why I say it's lazy. Yeah, Patrick 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 5: Mahomes is not n ot a Tier one quarterback. He 35 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 5: has not played like a Tier one quarterback. Carry not 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 5: for last year, for the last two seasons. For the 37 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 5: last two seasons he has regressed and exhibit A. And 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 5: that's why I say all these executives or whatever they're living. 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 4: In the past, they are and. 40 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 5: They think that they can't say anything against Patrick because 41 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 5: he's one. I get it, He's won MVPs and he 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 5: started his career like a house on fire. But they're 43 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 5: not really looking at the numbers or being honest. 44 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 4: And I'll ask you this, carry. 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 5: How can your team be fifteen and two last year 46 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 5: and you get zero first place votes for MVP zero? 47 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 5: Is this not a quarterback league? Or am I wrong? 48 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 5: It's a quarterback league? How in the world did nobody 49 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 5: say Patrick Mahomes his numbers weren't there. His numbers aren't there. 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 5: It's not a lifetime Achievement award? Can we stop? It's 51 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 5: okay to say Patrick's not the best quarterback anymore. It 52 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 5: doesn't mean that he's a dog or he's terrible. It 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 5: just means, right now, Lamar had a better year than 54 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 5: he had the years won the MVPs three years in 55 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 5: a row. He's been first All Pro Quarterback. 56 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 4: Are you kidding? 57 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes had the same numbers. 58 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 4: You listen to people on it, Oh, Aaron Rodgers washed up? 59 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 4: Noa he has the same numbers. He's tier three on 60 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 4: this list and. 61 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 5: He's tier three, and they're saying Patrick Mahomes' is unanimous 62 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 5: tier one. 63 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 4: I mean, come on and let me just give you 64 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: some numbers. I'll let you go. 65 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 5: Last two seasons, Mahomes and then I don't even want 66 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 5: to mention coming off that Super Bowl we had like 67 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 5: a ten point seven QBR, you know, I mean, like 68 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 5: an awful But here it is as a pass of 69 00:03:53,080 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 5: the last two seasons touchdowns, he's averaging No, no, I'm 70 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 5: looking at interceptions nine point six. Those were early in 71 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 5: the good years. Now it's up to twelve point five. 72 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 5: And the same thing with the yards. It was almost 73 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 5: five thousand yards. Now it's close to the four thousand 74 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 5: touchdowns down twelve a year. 75 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, like, what are they watching? 76 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 5: But Carrie, I guess they feel compelled to just look 77 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 5: at things from the past. Because Patrick Mahomes is not 78 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 5: a Tier one quarterback. I'm based off of his play. Okay, 79 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 5: you can't base everything off what you just saw. I know, 80 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 5: and I just agreed with you on the league. Is 81 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 5: what have you done for me lately? That's one hundred 82 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 5: percent truth. That's for everybody else one hundred percent. 83 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 6: But I'll tell you this, when you talk about tier 84 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 6: one quarterbacks him as far as him being unanimous, he's not. 85 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 6: There's the top four guys Patrick Mahomes, Burrows, Allen and 86 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson on any and given Sunday. Either one of 87 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 6: those guys can be them one quarterback in the league, right, 88 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 6: And so when you say something unanimous, that means there 89 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 6: should be without a shadow of a doubt that guy 90 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 6: is levels above the others. And it's just not the 91 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 6: case anymore. The last couple of years you said it. 92 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson has outplayed him, for sure. Joe Burrow last 93 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 6: year definitely outplayed him. No, Josh Allen out played him 94 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 6: last and one d and Wan of winning an MVP 95 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 6: and a split vote year. I just don't even understand. Yeah, 96 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 6: it's just the only thing that I don't agree with 97 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 6: here is the unanimous thing. I mean as far as 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 6: his talent, who he is, what he can be any 99 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 6: given down. If there's a third down in the fourth 100 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 6: quarter and a team needs a first down, I'm going 101 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes, right, So he still has that cachet. He 102 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 6: needs his players around him to be a little bit better. 103 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 6: But again, at the top taer quarterback, you obviously raise 104 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 6: your talent, and he has done that in certain moments, 105 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 6: just not overall overall. He's not the unanimous guy. And 106 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 6: that's what my that's what I would take from this. 107 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 5: Here's a Super Bowl eleven point four QBR was the 108 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 5: second loss of any game during his NFL career. 109 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 4: He was bad in the first half. 110 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 5: My homes posted career worst passer rating ten point seven 111 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 5: passing first downs one. 112 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 4: I just said first half. 113 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeorge per attempt two point four, yearge per completion 114 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 5: five point five. 115 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: The longest completion was eleven year old. 116 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 6: I could go on and on and on all right, Rob, 117 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 6: But wait a minute, so can you name any one 118 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 6: of his targets besides Travis Kelce. 119 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 5: No, but great players elevate. Great players elevate. That's all 120 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 5: they say about Tom Brady. So sorry, Oh, he doesn't 121 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 5: have anybody. That guy was working at dunkin Donuts last week. 122 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 5: That's what they always. Okay, No, but that that's always 123 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 5: the argument, right right. And then I would say before 124 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 5: last year for Lamar, you be, all of his receivers 125 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 5: are a third tier receiver, not anymore. But I'm saying 126 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 5: early on and obviously with Derek Henry that also improved it. 127 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 5: And you know what, he took his game to even 128 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 5: a bigger level and had. 129 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: An unbelievable year. He had four interceptions, three hit receiver. 130 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 4: You know what I mean? 131 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 5: Like you know that you watched the game he only 132 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 5: had one, like you would say like it was his 133 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 5: fault interception last year. 134 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 4: I don't know. 135 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 5: I just think we'd fall in love with guys and 136 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 5: we don't want to admit or we feel like if 137 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 5: you say anything less, like you're disrespecting him. 138 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 6: I'll tell you why they do that, because when people 139 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 6: go out on limbs and say somebody is a unanimous decision, 140 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 6: they don't want their decision to look bad. It's more 141 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 6: it's that more than anything. It's like it's like you're 142 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 6: having to take you don't want to take to be wrong. 143 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 5: But but but him, Marty. Think we don't do it 144 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 5: with Lebron. Okay, nobody. He's not the best player in 145 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 5: the league anymore. He's still playing, yes, Okay, he's putting up. 146 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 5: Nobody thinks he's the best player in the league. We 147 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 5: didn't do it Michael Jordan when he went to the Wizards, 148 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 5: nobody said he was the best player. Okay. So I'm saying, 149 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 5: at some point you got to look at it. And 150 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 5: I look at Patrick Mahomes, I see something very similar 151 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 5: to Brady. Where Brady went to nine years without winning 152 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 5: or whatever. I see that coming because they've been to 153 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 5: the Super Bowl a few times and now the team. 154 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 5: I don't think Andy Weed's getting older, you know what 155 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 5: I mean. You start losing pieces, things start to happen. 156 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 5: Guys aren't the same. Kelsey Wipe. This is probably his 157 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 5: last year. Like all these things start to happen and 158 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 5: then all of a sudden you're in a different spot. 159 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 5: But I thought, of what this this is over the top. 160 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 5: It's lazy eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. I'm 161 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 5: fired up eight seven seven six three sixty nine. You 162 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 5: already know it, you know, a week off and no 163 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 5: radio to yell at. I was just yelling at the 164 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 5: convention people. Look gluten. That gluten got me worked over, Alex. 165 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 5: My stomach was just bubbling, you know what I mean, 166 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 5: after a little bread. 167 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: You know, I'm okay good. 168 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 169 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 170 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 171 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: listen live. 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Don't listen to the show so 177 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 7: it can get cancels. 178 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 4: The studio, get him fool. 179 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: Listen to the Tony Foscup Show on the iHeartRadio app 180 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: or wherever you get your podcast. 181 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 4: He's still moving, that's right. 182 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 5: If we are down with the King, Sean King, the 183 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 5: former NFL quarterback Fox Sports Radio NFL analysts showing us 184 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 5: what's up? Sean say, Hi to carry? 185 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: What's up? 186 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 8: What's carry? 187 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 4: What's the news? 188 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 8: Sers is the first gutta be ind. 189 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 5: No, Sean, we just were talking about it and everybody 190 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 5: gets their panties in the bunch because he's not elevated 191 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 5: to the starter after that U first preseason game start 192 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 5: or whatever. Sean, can you break it down and let 193 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 5: people know, uh to stop? And they're making it And 194 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 5: this is the thing, I just berated a guy because 195 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 5: he's making it like nobody thinks he can play. 196 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 4: And there's levels to all of this. That's not the issue. 197 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 4: I'm not surprised that that he can play. 198 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 5: Play major college football, right, Okay, but where are you 199 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 5: on Shador and what did you see? 200 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 8: Well, I like contexts and I like perspective. I think 201 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 8: those are two things that are very important. We're analyzing 202 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 8: professional sports. No one's saying Jackson Dark should start for 203 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 8: the Giants and he played actually better than Shador. 204 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 4: Yep. 205 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 8: No one's saying Kane McKee should start for the Eagles. 206 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 8: He had a phenomenal games that'sn't been it balled out. 207 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 8: People are still talking about, oh my god, and Stafford 208 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 8: is a healthy What are we gonna do? Right to 209 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 8: the to the Soduer fan base, there's this thing called process. 210 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 8: Let it play out. Was understand say Chador was the 211 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 8: one that had the sore hammy and Dylan Gabriel had 212 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 8: the game Shador had, they would be up and off. 213 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 8: Shador deserves a chance to prove what he can do. Right, Well, 214 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 8: what's right for the goose is right for the gander, Right, 215 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 8: those other guys are gonna get this shot. If Shador 216 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 8: is anywhere close to being self appointed legendary, that's the 217 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 8: easiest pathway to starting quarterback in the entire league. It'll happen. 218 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 8: But let the process play out. If he played bad, 219 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 8: I wasn't gonna say he sucks. Right, if he played great, 220 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 8: I wasn't gonna say he should be the starter. Let 221 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 8: the process play out. 222 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 5: But you're right. And here's my issue. And I did 223 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 5: this with Cooper Flag when he had his first game. 224 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 5: Remember he was like three for ninety or whatever from 225 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 5: the field, right, And I just said, I just said, seriously, 226 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 5: you can't have it both ways, because if he were 227 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 5: to dropped forty, you would be random raving about how 228 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 5: great he is and then he has a terrible shooting 229 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 5: night and you want to pooh pull it. Same thing 230 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 5: with Shador. Had he had a bad night, people would 231 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 5: be it's his first game. What do you expect he 232 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 5: had nady rept with through, you know, and they would 233 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 5: make an excuse and my point, I'm with you, But 234 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 5: I do though, Sean, I think he's gonna wind up 235 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 5: getting cut by the Browns because they can't take four quarterbacks. 236 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 4: I don't see how you. 237 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 8: Face it, carry. I don't know how you do this 238 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 8: for three outs. I've never heard ros he's not getting cut. 239 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: Okay, see what he means, he's not getting cut. 240 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 6: How I said the same thing, I said, go to 241 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 6: get cut. 242 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 8: Wow, he very well may be the best quarterback on 243 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 8: the Cleveland Browns roster. I'm not even arguing people that 244 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 8: feel like that. I'm simply telling them let the process 245 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 8: play out, Sean. 246 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 4: Sean, here's here's where I disagree with you. 247 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 5: And you play quarterback in the NFL, I'm gonna disagree 248 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 5: because the coaches no. 249 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 4: Just hear me out, hit me out, Okay. 250 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 5: And I've always said I brought it up earlier about 251 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 5: Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson. Matt Flynn had every reason 252 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 5: to be the starting quarterback for Seattle. They gave him 253 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 5: a huge bag, they signed him. He had just set 254 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 5: the record for touchdowns with the Green Bay Package of 255 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 5: all quarterbacks in the history of that organization. And they 256 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 5: were looking for a quarterback and they got him. Russell 257 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 5: Wilson showed up and they didn't hesitate. 258 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 4: Okay. 259 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 5: And my other point about Shador is about Tom Brady, 260 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 5: his mentor, who. 261 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 4: Could have easily drafted him right. 262 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 5: Tom Brady was a sixth round pick, so we know 263 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 5: it ain't about where you get drafted. Tom Brady works 264 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 5: out with the kid knows, the kid knows his DNA knows, 265 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 5: his dad knows what kind of effort he puts in 266 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 5: an energy and if he really wanted to, Tom Brady 267 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 5: could have told. 268 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 4: The Raiders take that kid, and he did not. That's 269 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 4: what makes me question where Shador is. That's all so. 270 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 8: Valuate quarterback. I don't need anybody else who's validation, perspective, 271 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 8: or opinion to go with what I see. So Dort 272 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 8: standards is a good quarterback. But what has happened is 273 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 8: because his brand has outgrown his own field production, he's 274 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 8: become very polarizing. The people that are in his corner 275 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 8: are so delusional that you get tired of hearing them, 276 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 8: and the people that the people that are against them 277 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 8: is not because of anything factual on the field. It's 278 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 8: just he's easy to dislike. If you knew should do it, 279 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 8: I would pick up the phone right now and say, dude, 280 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 8: just play football. 281 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: That's what I said. 282 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 8: Cut out, cut out all the other stuff, all the 283 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 8: showing up with your own crew of guys and the 284 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 8: legendary chain, and you run for a first down and 285 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 8: you're looking at your Automa puj on your rip. Just 286 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 8: play football. All that other stuff will come. 287 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 5: That's why that's why teams passed on him, because if 288 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 5: he's not a franchise quarterback. They don't want to deal 289 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 5: with that, and we brought up Tim Tebow, we brought 290 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 5: up Kaepernick. After everything, nobody wants a distraction as a 291 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 5: backup quarters a backup. 292 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 8: There's so much power in words, and you have to 293 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 8: really watch Rob because what Rob will do if you 294 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 8: say something and here agrees with and he'll try. 295 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 6: To Sean, hey, I hear you something. I'm gonna switch 296 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 6: it up a little bit because that that topic is 297 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 6: obviously a polarizing one and a big one right now. 298 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 4: But there's another one right now. 299 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 6: The Athletic came out with a list of their quarterback tiers, 300 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 6: and obviously, you know the top four that we always 301 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 6: kind of going to each season saying Mahomes, Burrow, Alan 302 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 6: Jackson being you know, tier one. But in this list 303 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 6: they had Patrick Mahomes unanimously number one. And I disagree 304 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 6: with that part of it. So tell me about what 305 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 6: you think about that list, Sean, I think. 306 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 8: It's six in one hand and half a dozen in 307 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 8: the other. I mean, he's the most accomplished current starring quarterback. 308 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 4: It's not a Lifetime Achievement Award. 309 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 5: It's supposed to be about this year you know, coming 310 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 5: into the year, and that's what it's supposed to be. 311 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 8: You know, you bring guests on, let them talk. What 312 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 8: would argue with a person that says that that in 313 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 8: twenty twenty five. I don't think he's the most talented 314 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 8: or the most valuable quarterback. I do think Josh Allen 315 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 8: and Lamar Jackson just based on pure talent and how 316 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 8: important they are. And if you gave me any quarterback 317 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 8: I could have in the league, it'd be hard and 318 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 8: it'd be a real argument about taking those two over Patrick. 319 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 8: But at the end of the day, a down year 320 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 8: for him was losing in the Super Bowl, so he's 321 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 8: got that on top of him. It's a very I think, 322 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 8: fluid conversation that changes from week to week. 323 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 5: I just think if you eliminate the names and you 324 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 5: put up the staff and whatnot, there's no way. And Sean, 325 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 5: here's the reason why it's a fraudulent list, and he 326 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 5: doesn't deserve to be on the top tier. How do 327 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 5: you go fifteen and two, get to the Super Bowl right, 328 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 5: and you got no votes, no first place vote for MVP. 329 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 5: That's in a quarterback league, that's impossible to do. But 330 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 5: people watched his body of work, and they know that 331 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 5: he didn't play that well, right, and that that's my point. 332 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 8: So I just don't understand why can't you stay in 333 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 8: the middle sometimes like yeah. 334 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 4: Okay, no, no, there's no middle. 335 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 8: It's okay to say two thousand four, Patchick Mahomes was 336 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 8: not one of his elite years individually, right, but they 337 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 8: did enough to make the Super Bowl. Now you can 338 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 8: even say, you know what, he's got to come back 339 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 8: out and reassert his dominant individually, even if the team 340 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 8: is successful or not. That's fair. But to say you 341 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 8: don't deserve to be in the top tier, it's ludicrous. 342 00:17:59,640 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: Rob. 343 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 6: You heard that, Rob, he said, it's not ludicrous, Ludicris Sean, Sean, 344 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 6: I'm with you on that. That's just what I told him. 345 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 6: I said, it's the only part I have with it 346 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 6: is being unanimous. Obviously he's not that guy right now. 347 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 6: I mean last last year, I mean week the week, 348 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 6: either one of those four can be the top guy. 349 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 4: And so that's kind of where I said. 350 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, So so let me put an exclamation point on 351 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 8: the Patrick Mahones thing. The fact that those other three 352 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 8: guys are in the same conference, and I think only 353 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 8: Burrow has made it to a Super Bowl, right then, 354 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 8: b that's a knock against Lamar and Josh. 355 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 5: Is that is this is this guys who made it 356 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 5: to the Super Bowl? Is it based off of that 357 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 5: or based on your numbers and how you played? I 358 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 5: don't think we know that. 359 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 4: It shouldn't shouldn't be. 360 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 8: Based on it shouldn't be based on the fact that 361 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 8: since Tarriek Hill was taking off of the Thieves and 362 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 8: move to Miami, Patrick hadn't been playing with the Okay, 363 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 8: there we go. You can argue that the Ravens and 364 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 8: the Bills got more offensive talent than the Chiefs. Yet 365 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 8: some kind of way, the Chiefs keep ending up in 366 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 8: the big Gamey what goes back to Mahon's brilliant And. 367 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 5: Now I'm gonna say this last thing you told me. 368 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 5: Can I ever be in the middle? That's for Chrissy 369 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 5: Hain and the pretenders? Oh man, I'm not in the 370 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 5: middle of the road and I never will be. 371 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 4: Sean, can you hear him? 372 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 8: He let me say something so because I think this 373 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 8: needs to be said. Shout out to camp Ward. Very 374 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 8: rarely do we have a kid that's fought through what 375 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 8: he's fucked through. He's got one of the most amazing 376 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 8: stories ever, what it took for him to get to 377 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 8: the University of Miami, and then the way he handled 378 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 8: the process going number one to Tennessee, the way he's 379 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 8: approached being a professional, like he deserves to be more 380 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 8: of a topic of conversation nationally. 381 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 4: Like that, kid, luck, good luck. You know that's not 382 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: gonna happen. It's just not no. I'm with you. But 383 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 4: that's not how it goes. And you know how it is. 384 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 8: People gonna it starts by intelligent platforms, intelligent guests like 385 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 8: myself continually bringing it up. 386 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 4: Well, thank you. 387 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 8: It stays, it stays on the mind of people like 388 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 8: he's doing a hell of a job in Tennessee so far. 389 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 4: Well, we appreciate you, Sean King, Thank you so much. 390 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 4: All Right. 391 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 392 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: the nation. 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We're talking about the 400 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 5: Athletics piece about the Quarterback Tears, and this drove me 401 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 5: to tears. 402 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 3: Are yes, the Athletic Annual Quarterback Tears came out today. 403 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: Mike Sander does a great job. Mike Center'll be on 404 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 3: the Odd Couple this Thursday, eight thirty pm. Means if 405 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 3: you want to check it out, and so I could 406 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: trash him, well, we're not trashing him. He's just compiling 407 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 3: a coration and we can tell him. 408 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 4: Like, what were they thinking? Especially with this one. 409 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 3: So we mentioned early on in the show that there 410 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 3: are five quarterbacks listed in tier one on this chart. Yep, 411 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. And you 412 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: would assume that number five is potentially Super Bowl MVP 413 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: Jalen hurts. No, you would assume it might be everybody's favorite. 414 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 3: Make a quarterback that would be Justin Herbert. 415 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 5: And that's because and I get it. This size his arm, 416 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 5: am I right? He looks like a quarter looks like it. Yes, 417 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 5: he looks the part. 418 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 4: I get it. And why they all fall in love 419 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 4: with him. He's got a big arm. 420 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 5: He's tall, he's big, I get all that, but he 421 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 5: hasn't played. 422 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 4: Up today, No, not yet than him. 423 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: Some might even say, if it's not Kaylen Williams, it's 424 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: the previous generational quarterback Trevor Lawrence. 425 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 4: No not either. 426 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: Instead, who is it the number five quarterback Tier one 427 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: in the NFL? None other then the ageless Wonder himself, 428 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: thirty seven year old bad back can't even practice these days. 429 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford aka stat Patford. 430 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 5: Oh my, absolutely ridiculous, the worst. I mean, this makes 431 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 5: you question the whole list. Seriously, Stafford is not a 432 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 5: Tier one quarterback. I mean what Jalen Hurts Carrie, here 433 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 5: we go. 434 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 4: All right, let's get it. 435 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 5: This has nothing to do with Cam Newton either, because 436 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 5: he he remember with Jayleen Hurts two as well, blaming 437 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 5: that he has a good team around them. What quarterback 438 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 5: who won a Super Bowl didn't have a great team. 439 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 5: I mean, stop that. That can't be your reason. I'm 440 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 5: not saying you have to pick him in your top ten, 441 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 5: but it can't be based off of the players around him. 442 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 5: Tell me why he's not in your top ten? And 443 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 5: I could buy that, but his reasoning didn't make any sense. 444 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 5: And here's my point. In the Super Bowl he lost 445 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 5: to Patrick Mahomes. He outplayed Patrick Mahomes. Fact, he played great, 446 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 5: except for the one fumble that wound up being costly, right, 447 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 5: but he played great in that. And now last year 448 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 5: the Eagles was supposed to be about what Carrie Saquon Barkley. 449 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 5: Oh my god, look at all that. He's unbelievable. He's 450 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 5: running from all these yards. He it's about Saquon. Squon 451 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 5: had about nine yards in the Super Bowl. I know 452 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 5: it wasn't that low, but you get my point. He 453 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 5: had no impact. 454 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 4: Every analyst you. 455 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 5: Wanted to listen to prior to the Super Bowl, you 456 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 5: know what it said, all the Chiefs have to do 457 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 5: is make Jayler heard throw the ball and put stop 458 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 5: Saquon and they can win the Super Bowl. And they 459 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 5: stopped Saquon. They stopped Saquon, and they still didn't win. 460 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 5: They got blowed out, as they say at the barbershop 461 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 5: carry They got blowed out, blowed blowed out, blowed out, 462 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 5: and he made every important throw you needed to make. 463 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: Am I right, you watched it. We all watched it. 464 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 5: He played great and in that Super Bowl, and the 465 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 5: disrespect is still think that you would put a thirty 466 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 5: seven year old broken down Matt Stafford, who had most 467 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 5: of his career is about padded stats. That's what it's 468 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 5: called stat Padford in Detroit over Jalen Hurds. 469 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 4: I don't get it. I don't get it. 470 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 6: Matthew Stafford is a really good quarterback, and I know 471 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 6: you have your your stuff about him. 472 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 5: I only because I watched them, you know what I mean? 473 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 5: Like I watched him. Yeah, so I'm not looking not 474 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 5: from afar. I covered I told you the same, Yeah, 475 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 5: I covered the Lions. I was a columnists in Detroit 476 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 5: every game for fifteen to twenty years, like every game. 477 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I'm going to tell you this about Jalen Hurts. 478 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 6: I'm not a big Jalen Hurts fan. I'm a fan 479 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 6: of his in big games though. In big games he 480 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 6: outperforms the other quarterbacks and so he does his game 481 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 6: rises to a different level in these games that makes 482 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 6: you want to put him on these lists, like just 483 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 6: like you have this affinity form and you think that 484 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 6: he should be five on this list. 485 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 5: Well, if I only think matt if Vanthew Stafford is okay, 486 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 5: that's where my issue. 487 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 6: Okay, gotcha because I'm comparing him to Stafford. Okay, gotcha, 488 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 6: because yes he would be. In my mind, he is 489 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 6: a tier two quarterback. Jalen Hurts now in big games. 490 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 6: In the two super Bowl games that you're talking about, 491 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 6: he was Tier one and those he played his butt 492 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 6: off in those games. 493 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 5: So why do we give Patrick mahomes the love for 494 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 5: the coming up big in game. 495 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 4: I'm about to get to that. Okay. 496 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 6: To be a tier one quarterback, you got to do 497 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 6: this day in and day out, day in and day out. 498 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 6: These the top four that we talked about, Mahomes Borough, 499 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 6: Allan Jackson stand above the rest. I understand that being 500 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 6: a tier one with Matthew Stafford being tier one. I 501 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 6: don't actually agree with that either. I think he's a 502 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 6: tier two guy because I think he falls in line 503 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 6: with these other guys, Jaydon Daniels, Herbert Golf, Stroud, Hurts, Mayfield, 504 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 6: all of those guys. I think he's in that same list. 505 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 6: So I just don't. I just don't see him being 506 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 6: tier one, and that's my only I have him in. 507 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: Tier one over Matthew Stafford, and then. 508 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 6: He say over Matthew. Here's my argument. You know what 509 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 6: I'm saying, if it was this five list, he needs 510 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 6: to be there in front of in front of Stafford. 511 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. 512 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 5: If Stafford's not in the time, they only went with 513 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 5: the four the four I have. Okay, I told you 514 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes the last two years not played as I 515 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 5: don't believe that year Stafford I think had what he 516 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 5: throwed twelve touchdowns, twenty touchdowns, eight interceptions. There was one 517 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 5: stretch last year were their offense it was all field goal. 518 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 4: They couldn't score. Yeah, there's no I'm like, what is 519 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 4: it based on? Is it just. 520 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 5: Because you remember Matthew Stafford winning a game, winning the 521 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 5: Super Bowl? 522 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 4: Or what is it? Let me just say his last 523 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 4: thing Stafford. 524 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 5: Even you remember how they won the Super Bowl, right, 525 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 5: he threw a game winning touchdown? 526 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 4: Yep, right, yep. 527 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 5: Not often dul quarterback throw a game winning touchdown to 528 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 5: win the Super Bowl at the end and not get 529 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 5: the MVP because he didn't play well. He had two 530 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 5: interceptions before that. He hadn't played well enough. And if 531 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 5: you remember, there was a penalty in the end zone. 532 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 5: That's what's set up the game winning touchdown for them 533 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 5: to win even win the Super Bowl, but Stafford didn't 534 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 5: play well enough. 535 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 4: It's very rare that a quarterback. 536 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 5: Throwing a game winning touchdown with time expiring doesn't win 537 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. 538 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 6: We I'm gonna tell you this right now. In the 539 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 6: NFC Championship game last year, the game before the Rams 540 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 6: played the Eagles, and Stafford out performed Hurts in that game, 541 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 6: and except for when it mattered, it was could never 542 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 6: chance did have a chance to win. I mean, listen, 543 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 6: there were a real chance. I mean they couldn't get 544 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 6: the ball, but they couldn't stop. They know they got 545 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 6: the ball, Rob g didn't didn't they have the ball? 546 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 6: I went for four and out in the at the 547 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 6: end of the game. 548 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 3: Three scores in three score said it wasn't left. They 549 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: they brought him back, brought him back down. 550 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 5: But they want a twenty yard line or something where 551 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 5: when they then went four and out, what were they 552 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 5: on the twenty five. 553 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 4: They wanted twenty five had a chip that had a test. 554 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 4: But the Eagles defense had something to say about that. 555 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 8: He did. 556 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: It wasn't his fault, Hurts. I mean, Stafford in that 557 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 4: game balled out. You know why balled out? 558 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 5: Okay, as usual because they were down three scores and 559 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 5: the defense, which I don't, I hate prevent Like I 560 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 5: just keep playing. I just just keep playing. Stop with 561 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 5: the prevent. That's how teams come back all the time. 562 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 5: You start doing stuff and players let people get behind 563 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 5: them somehow, And I'm like. 564 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 4: Why would you do that? Just play regular coverage. I 565 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 4: don't know, Rob g Am I a sugar nut? Am 566 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 4: I crazy? Rob g? What you got? 567 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 3: If you think about that list? That is a terrible list. Look, 568 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford. He's one of those guys like they talk 569 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 3: about in basketball where they say, you know, Kyrie may 570 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: I have the accolade to some of his peers, but 571 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: he's your favorite player's favorite players. 572 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a good one. 573 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford is a quarterback where he's like your favorite 574 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: quarterback's favorite quarterback because they see the size, see the talent, 575 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: they see the no look passes that he does, and like, man, 576 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: the way this guy plays quarterback is just incredible. And 577 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 3: then you look at the numbers and to Rob's point, 578 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: either they were down big and he came back and 579 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 3: put them all these stats, or you look at last 580 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 3: season where they did win. 581 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 4: And they made the players. They had a little run there. 582 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 3: Rob talked about it on the show at Nauseum when 583 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: it was happening the month of December. The last three 584 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 3: games had to have it right, they got to win 585 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: to get in the postseason. Listen to these numbers. The 586 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 3: Rams offense scored thirteen, nineteen and twelve, but because the 587 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 3: defense had six. 588 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,479 Speaker 4: Nine and nine, he's three and oh. 589 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 3: So it's like man Stafford, he didn't really cooking in 590 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 3: that game. And then Matthew Stafford in three gotta have. 591 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 4: It games to close the season. 592 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 3: Through one touchdown, one interception, one hundred and fifty three 593 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: yards per game. 594 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 4: But he's a top tier quarterback. 595 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 3: I'm in no way, no way, Like it's got the 596 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 3: Jayalen Hurts where I'm running for sixty yards. 597 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 4: And like, oh, I have to go. 598 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 2: Rob. 599 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 6: I know you're throwing out these numbers now, but they 600 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 6: also the Rams game plan was a little different this year, 601 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 6: but last year they ran the ball with Camrick Williams 602 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 6: a lot. Why do they run it? That's their game. 603 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 6: They wanted to keep their defense off the field a 604 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 6: little bit. That's fair. 605 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: I know that's real football, right, it's real foot, But 606 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: isn't it also real football that you're trying to score 607 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 3: more than fourteen points a game. 608 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 4: Check that's that you can't have it. 609 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 3: But you can't say, Hey, Joe Burrow's great because he 610 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 3: throws all these yards, all these touchdowns. TV reception is crazy, right. 611 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 3: But then also Patrick Mahomes is great because I know 612 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 3: he's like fifty nine percent completion and he's fifteenth in 613 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 3: quarterback rating, but he's fifteen to zero. Right, It's like 614 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 3: you can't be Jimmy Garoppolo and Damn Reno. Like there's 615 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: there's a whole spectrum that we got to cover here 616 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 3: in Matthew Stafford being as listed amongst the tier with yeah, 617 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 3: I mean Lamar Allen Burrow. 618 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 4: And I just don't I don't think that. 619 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 5: What was that was that Sesame Street or one of 620 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 5: these things don't don't go together. Whatever, it was like 621 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 5: something like he just doesn't fit with that when I 622 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 5: look at that list, that that's like we have nobody else? 623 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 4: Who else can we throw in it? 624 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: Oh? 625 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, that guy won a Super Bowl three years ago? 626 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 4: Would he be Tier two for you? Though? 627 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 5: Like I said, I think it's here two? Yeah, Lo, yeah, 628 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 5: I would be. I'd be more comfortable with too two. 629 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 3: Okay, I just well, you know what's funny is like 630 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 3: a third of the voters had Jalen Hurts in tier 631 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 3: three really, and it's like, so why does one guy 632 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 3: get the benefit? Is it because it like the way 633 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 3: it looks better? 634 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 8: That just? 635 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 4: Is that really what it comes down? 636 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 3: Like the Lamar Jackson didn't get credit till this year, 637 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: I know, because he does it in a different way, 638 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 3: So he's never going to be appreciated the way some 639 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: of these other guys. 640 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 5: But that's crazy, ohright, eight seven seven ninety nine on 641 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 5: Fox eight seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. 642 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 5: Who's better Jalen Hurts or Matthew Stafford? You know where 643 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 5: I'm coming from. Carry, I think is coming around right. 644 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 4: You're with me? 645 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: Carry? 646 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 6: No, I still think overall Matthew Stafford is a little 647 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 6: bit better doing the regular tas. 648 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I'm just saying I don't know. 649 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 5: No, I just you know why Carrie likes Stafford because 650 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 5: he used to pick off quarterbacks like that in the NFL. 651 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 4: So you kind of like, oh, no, I like that, 652 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 4: I like the gun. I like him. Yeah, go ahead. 653 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 5: How many interceptions you get from Brett farre right. I 654 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 5: got a couple I know you did. Yeah, yeah, and 655 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 5: they came right to you, didn't they. 656 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 657 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 5: I can't even movies, I know, all right, right, you 658 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 5: know thinking, But even if even the statistician like made 659 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 5: that as a reception and they're not an interception, they 660 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 5: don't like, that's a reception, that's not the cat tymble.