1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Always unplugging is Forgotten Seasons. 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,040 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to Forgotten Seasons. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Man. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 2: First, I just got to say a big thank you 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: to everybody listening and following along with the page. It 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: was an amazing week last week bringing this thing off 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: the ground, and really just reflecting on the Forgotten Season's 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: journey to create this page a little under two years 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: ago and now have the chance to chop it up 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: with NBA Legends each week is still surreal. We're just 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: starting out here. I'm excited to watch the evolution of 12 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: it all, but none of this would be possible without 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: your support since day one. So really just want to 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 2: say thank you to everybody for following along. Today we 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: have a first for the show. We're going to be 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: reliving a championship season two thousand and three Spurs with 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: Steven Jackson. I know what some of you are thinking. 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: I can already see the comments. How can a team 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: be forgotten if they won the championship? Well, I think 20 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: this specific team has been so if you think that way, 21 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: then too bad. The Spurs were good for so long 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: with Duncan Parker and Manu that I think the details 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: of individual seasons have been forgotten. This season, specifically two 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: oh three, we got a rookie Manu tearing up the 25 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: league from the jump. We got final year of David 26 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: Robinson and Steve Kerr playing big roles with the team. 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: We have, of course, the greatness of Tim Duncan, the 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: leadership of Greg Popovic, and we also have the importance 29 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: of their starting swingman and today's guest, Steven Jackson. In 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: the years leading up to three, Stack was struggling to 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: even get a shot in the league. He got cut 32 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 2: by several teams. He played overseas in Venezuela, the Dominican Republic, China, 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: got spotty minutes in New Jersey, and then finally he 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: gets a chance with the Spurs. We've heard a lot 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: about guys today like PJ. Tucker and Pap Beverly their 36 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: odyssey's before they were in the league, but Stax isn't 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: much different to relive this season through his eyes. Enough 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: of me, let's get into it with Stack. Remember to 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: rate and subscribe to the podcast. Those ratings are super important, 40 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: so we appreciate that. Check out the amazing catalog of 41 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: shows Showtime Basketball has to offer. All the smoke KG 42 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: certified What's Burning hope you enjoyed today's episode. Let's get 43 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 2: into it. Forgotten Seasons with Steven Jackson on the two 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: thousand and three Spurs begins right now, Captain jack Stack, 45 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: how you doing today? 46 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: Man? What's I'm man? Happy to be what's going on? 47 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: Can't complain grateful to be talking to you. We're going 48 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: to be diving deep into one season as always, Today's 49 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: going to be the two thousand and three Spurs. Before 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: we get into two thousand and three, I want to 51 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: start when you are at Butler County Community College in 52 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. That was that came after you committed 53 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: to Arizona. Things didn't work out there. You started to 54 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: pave your own path as quickly as you can. Because 55 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: I know that there's a bunch of stops, a bunch 56 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: of memorable stories. But how did did you end up 57 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: from Butler County Community College and then a few years 58 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: later in the NBA on the nets? 59 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: Uh? Well, Butler happened. When I was supposed to go 60 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: to Arizona, I went. I signed with the University of 61 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: Arizona coming out of high school. With Mike Bibbie and 62 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: Eugene Egerson. We had the number of recruiting class in 63 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: the country, and I couldn't pass my test. The first 64 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: semester I stayed on campus, took the test and couldn't 65 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: pass the test, and I ended up going to back 66 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: to Phoenix to live with Mike's mom because I didn't 67 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: want to go back home and end up, you know, 68 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: doing the same things that always got me caught up 69 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: before I made to o'kill and I ended up staying 70 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: with her and she brought me to the Son's facility 71 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: one day and I had no day I was going 72 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: up there the player workout, and she brought me up 73 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: there and I ended up playing with the team and 74 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: ended up playing real well. They had one pick in 75 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: the draft, at the forty second pick, and they and 76 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: they said they were going to draft me right, so well, 77 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: excuse me. After I was on I went to Butler 78 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: because I wanted to play, and by the time I 79 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: get there the season already started, so I was only 80 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: there for like two three weeks because I couldn't play. 81 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: So I stayed there and went to school, went a 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: couple of games, and left because I couldn't play that 83 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: season and I don't want to be in college anyway, 84 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: So I ended up going overseas. Man. I went to Venezuela, 85 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: Dominican Republic, show A, France, Australia, Guangzhou, China. I went 86 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: to a whole bunch of places, Man, And you know, 87 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: I seen, I've seen a lot of stuff that kept 88 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: me grateful of of the things I have and the 89 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: position I'm in because a lot of those places they 90 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: don't have much, and you get to see, you know 91 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: how greatful you are. And I think that was a 92 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: blessing for me because even with breaking both on my 93 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: feet doing that journey, you know, I got down, but 94 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: I didn't get too down because the places I was 95 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: at it showed me how blessed I was, and it 96 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: kept me motivated to get back home and to make 97 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: a better life for my family and plan some small cities, Man, 98 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: some weird places, but all that drove me back to 99 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: two thousand and two thousand and one where I get 100 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: a shot in New Jersey. I wouldn't have got that 101 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: shot with our stuff on Marlberry and Key Martin and 102 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: Barron Scott totally counted me out before I got there. 103 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: When I got there and I was able to play 104 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: well make the team, and that started my journey in 105 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: the NBA with New Jersey. Even though I made the 106 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: Rookie All Star team. After the Rookie A'all Start game, 107 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: I didn't play no more. The rest of that season, 108 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: he didn't play me no more so, but that turned 109 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: into the blessing. When I wasn't playing, it alerted all 110 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: the coaches in the league, like, Okay, they don't want 111 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: to play these young kid. He has a lot of talent. 112 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: He's a winner everywhere he's been. I remember vividly talking 113 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: about the Spurs. We were playing the Spurs and Barron 114 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: Scott wasn't playing me. I was at the end of 115 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: the bench and it was a halftime. Mike Brown was 116 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: the assistant coach for the Spurs at the time. He 117 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: walked over there. He was like, what's going on with 118 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: young fellas. I'm like, how you doing, coach? I really 119 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: know he would because Brown, how you doing? Uh? He 120 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: was like, keep your head, we come and get you. 121 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, huh, Like I didn't know a coach could 122 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: say that, you know, keep your head, we come and 123 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: get you. Right. And towards the end of the season, 124 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: I had seen him a couple more times and Pop 125 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: had told my agent that they wanted me to come 126 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: play Summer League and prove myself again. Ended up playing 127 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: Summer League with the Spurs second and scoring I think 128 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: behind Dirk the Whiskey, have a great campaign and end 129 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: up signing with the Spurs. Now, when I get there, 130 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: I had no idea what a professional organization looks like. 131 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that, like, what is 132 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: the first down with Pop? Like and what is the 133 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: message in there? Because I know it's I know there's 134 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: there's It's not just come and play, it's come and play, 135 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 2: act like this and play like that. Well what is 136 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: what is that? 137 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: Exactly? Well? I remember vividly first right after the last 138 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: pre summer league game, he told me like, look, I 139 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: want you my team. He basically made the team. But 140 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: you can't smoke weed. That's what that's the word is around. 141 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: You like to smoke cannabis. And I told him, I, Pop, 142 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: you didn't want to hear nothing about it. Well, right 143 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: back to the room to smoke every day. Said you know, 144 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: I had to tell them that to get the job. 145 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean I think anybody would, but uh, Pop, they 146 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: do their homework. They know who you are before they 147 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: bring you in an organization and going there. You know, 148 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: like I said, I played one year in the league. 149 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: I learned how to be a professional there. You know, 150 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: everybody there prepared to work for pass for games, take 151 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: care of their bodies all year around, do the homework 152 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: for the teams we're playing, you know, uh, the studying 153 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: and all that, and the preparation was top notch there. 154 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: And I learned how to be a man, and I 155 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: learned how to be a professional. Basketball was always a 156 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: game to me, but now it's a profession, right, And 157 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: I learned that as San Antonio, I learned. I learned 158 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: how to be a professional from all the veters I had, 159 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, Kevin Willis, Danny Ferry, David Robinson, 160 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, I had Tim Duncan. I had a lot 161 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: of really solid vets that has been this that have 162 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: been in the league a long time at that point, 163 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: and all of them, matter of fact, Steve, Danny, Kevin Willis, 164 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: and Steve Kerr all retired I think after that championship. 165 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: I think they all retired after that, right, So they 166 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: were all at the end of their career. So the 167 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: game and the wisdom I got from them, I couldn't 168 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: have gotten from nowhere else or any other players that 169 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: early in my season, and I think that helped me 170 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: out a lot. 171 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: I picture you sort of going there like going to 172 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: military school almost like obviously Pops and army guy David 173 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: Robinson's the Admiral. Can you remember like the first practice, 174 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: like when you go there and just like how that 175 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: goes down. 176 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. The good thing about it, you had all different personality, 177 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different personalities, but they all were 178 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: people you can get great advice from. You know. I 179 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: went to church with Dave. I went to church with 180 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: Dave and his family. Steve Steve Smith took me in 181 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: like a son, fed me. I went to his house 182 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: to eat watch movies one time with his family. Malik 183 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: Rose treated me like a brother. Tim Douggan treating me 184 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: like a brother. I played paintball with him, you know. 185 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: I played cards with those guys. I hung out with 186 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: those guys. So I got a little a little bit 187 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: of everything. And I wasn't the only young player. You know, 188 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: you had me, you had Tony Parker, and you had Jenebel. Yeah. 189 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: So so it was a great mix of young guys 190 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: and older veterans. And I think that's why we were 191 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: able to win the championship. 192 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you guys win sixty games. You're the one 193 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: seed in the West, a West that was loaded like 194 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: like no other. I want to do a quick roster breakdown. 195 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: You mentioned a lot of the guys already, but yourself, Timmy, 196 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, David Robinson. You've described Timmy as 197 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: almost like a big brother to you. You tragically lost 198 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: your brother early in your life, and you've said before 199 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: that getting to San Antonio and meeting Timmy was like 200 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: gaining another big brother. We know about Timmy's greatness, we 201 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: know about his sort of humble being, but what's something 202 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: that the everyday fan might not know about Tim Duncan. 203 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: And you know how important he was to you at 204 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: that stage. 205 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: In your life. Tim was an action junk. Tim is 206 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: an action junker. He likes shooting guns, he likes playing paintball, 207 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: he likes fast cars. He trained UFC, you know, to 208 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: UFC fight like he He does a lot of those 209 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: things that action junkies do. You know, he's definitely action 210 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: junk and you wouldn't know, You wouldn't You couldn't see 211 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: that side of him on the court because he's even killed. 212 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: He's always focused, always locked in. And if KG can't 213 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: get you out your game, nobody can. And he's one 214 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: of those guys that just stay locked in. And I 215 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: think that's something he has that you can't teach. And 216 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: he embraced me the first day or even a perfect 217 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: example of him embracing me. We were in Seattle. We 218 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: was getting off to a great start and I was 219 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: playing great off the bench and him and Pop called 220 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: me talking about meet us in Pop's room nine not 221 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: ten times, but coach calling me to his room. He 222 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: must have I'm automatic think he smelled the weed. Come 223 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: in my room something, you know what I mean. When 224 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: I get there, him and Tim like, you know we've 225 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: been playing well, we're going to start you tonight. But 226 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been in that position if early practice. 227 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: When I get the practice, Tim has embraced me. Come 228 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: on my team, Come shoot with me. Come. You know. 229 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: Tim was bringing me along and everything he did, the drills, 230 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: you know. And when I got him a starting team, 231 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: he made sure he looked for right double teams. One 232 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: of the best passes on double teams, and he knew 233 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: I was clut So anytime you get a double team, 234 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,239 Speaker 1: anytime he can get me a shot or get me involved, 235 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: he always did it. And I always appreciate that because 236 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: that's probably the best power for it to ever play 237 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: the game. And he had ultimate confidence in me in 238 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: the big games, in the crunch minutes, and uh, you 239 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: know that's before I proved myself exactly. So that says 240 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: a lot, you know, coming from a guy like Tom Duncan. 241 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: So next monitor nobly this is his rookie year. I've 242 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: been like breaking down the film from this team, just 243 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: watching your playoff games and as a rookie, the stuff 244 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: that he was doing sham gods. In the playoffs, he 245 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: was throwing you know, cross court bullet. No look, petss, 246 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: I just don't think that it can be emphasized enough 247 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: how special that is to come in as a rookie, 248 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: especially in Greg Popovich's system, and do that. We've heard 249 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: stories about how Pop and Manu at the beginning really 250 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: clash because Manu does not play like your prototypical Spurs player. 251 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 2: He's careless of times, but it's what makes him great. 252 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: After the finals, in the press conference, you said that 253 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: if you could pick one player to play one backcourt 254 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: player to play with the rest of your it would 255 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: be Monitor Noble. Now you played for over ten years 256 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 2: after that, But does that still hold true after your career, 257 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: No question. 258 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: I think we didn't meet and him didn't get the 259 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: respect we deserved for what we did that year. If 260 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: you look at the Western Conference Finals, I carried that 261 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: team game six, I was a lead scorer game six, right. 262 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: And Kurr yeah and uh. 263 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: And the reason why, man Manu said something to me 264 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: when we were sitting in the back, you know where 265 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: everybody was interviewing Steve Kurr and everybody else. He walked. 266 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: He came to me, is like, bro, you deserve the 267 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: MVP because you carried You know what I'm saying, Because 268 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, we was young guys and we really didn't 269 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: get props. Perfectly perfect example, Steve Kirk came in the 270 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: game here four threes and played all games. I was 271 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: doing that all game. I was doing the same thing 272 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: all game. But they praised him after the game. And 273 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: but for Genobli to come to me and be like, Bro, 274 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: don't worry about that. You know you you know, I 275 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: know what you've done. You know what you've done. You 276 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that meant a lot to me, 277 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: but our passion for the game. I think one thing 278 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,599 Speaker 1: Pop had to had to just really let go with 279 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: Genobili is the he's he's an erratic player. So you 280 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: got to take the good with the bad. And that's 281 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: really with both of us, because anything we do on 282 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: the court, it comes to competing, you know, is it 283 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: comes out of trying to be the best we can 284 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: be and playing hard. And if you make the mistakes 285 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: playing hard, Pop Pop can forgive that all day. And 286 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: that's one thing he liked about Gino. You know, Gino 287 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: might have made a crazy pass, he might have did 288 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: something crazy, but he gonna do that same pass and 289 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna get us a bucket. He's gonna make that 290 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: same move, you know, at crunch time and get us 291 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: a layup. So you gotta take the good with the 292 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: bad with Gino, and I think Pop understood that about 293 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: both of us. He was a trend setter too, though 294 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: Gina was a trend setter, Like he started the euro stuff, 295 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: all that stuff. He started all that stuff, man, and 296 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: like I think Pop's seen that in the World Games. 297 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: You know, he was a guy that took chances, took risks, 298 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: but he was a leader of that team. He was 299 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: the best player on the team. So Pop didn't want 300 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: to change his game when he came here. Pop just 301 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: let him be in. 302 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he did so much for the game 303 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: international basketball as well. He looked at all the Argentinian players. 304 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: Pozzo Nocioni, I don't know if that happens without you nobly. 305 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: Right going into the regular season, you mentioned you were 306 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: coming off the bench at first, first twenty four games. 307 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: You guys are fourteen and ten, you know, not up 308 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: to the standards of you know, the San Antonio Spurs, 309 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: the team that's supposed to compete and win the championship. 310 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: And then, as you said, twenty four games in, you 311 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: shift into the starting lineup. After that, you guys go 312 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: forty five and twelve. What does the team get with 313 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: you in the starting lineup that they weren't getting with 314 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: the combination of Steve Smith, Danny Ferry. 315 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: Well I youth. You had two of the most dominant 316 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: big man never played a game with Tim Duggan and 317 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: David Robinson. And you need to add a little youth 318 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: to it. We had a young point point go out 319 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: at Tony Parker. He was good first three quarters, but 320 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: we needed speedy classon for four quarters. And I think 321 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: as far as the youth and the playmaking that me 322 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: and g normally both brought, that was something that was needed. 323 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: You know, Bruce Bourne is not off as a player 324 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: at all. You know, Steve Smith was at the end 325 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: of his career where he still could post up and 326 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: get you buggers, but he wasn't as quick as he 327 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: normally was. So with me playing so well off the bench, 328 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: Pop No, I brought another dynamic to the team. I 329 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: brought a little toughness, as Pop say, nasty. Brough a 330 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: little nasty to the team, a little attitude to the team, 331 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: and uh, the Spurs wasn't known for that. So for 332 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: me to bring that, me and Malik Rose to bring 333 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: a little toughness to the team, I think that was 334 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: vital at that point. 335 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: Looking around the league, you're playing primarily two and three guard. 336 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: That's a crazy, crazy era in the league for that position. 337 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: You know, Kobe Pierce ray Allen for you at the 338 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: beginning of the career of your career, who were the 339 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: guys that you know really really introduced you to the 340 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: league and gave you the Welcome to the NBA moment. 341 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: There's a lot. 342 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: There's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Ashburn pretty well. I would 343 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: have to say Mashburn, I Masburn. Masburn was somebody that 344 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: he was bigger than Ill. I still had a teenage 345 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: twenty one year old body at the time, and I 346 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: kind of pat of my game after Paul Pierce and Mashburn. 347 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: I kind of played like them, especially in the post book. 348 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: Mas Burn Jamal Masburn was just so smooth. He about 349 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: two hundred and forty pounds, couldn't be you couldn't move him, 350 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: and he was just had a sweet shot. Man. I'm 351 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: surprised to of fame long. You know, he had a 352 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: lot of injuries. 353 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 2: Well if you look at his career, like he retired 354 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: coming off of like a twenty two per game season, 355 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: it probably could have kept going, played that lower role 356 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: on teams, but he said nah, And you know, people 357 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: now you look at him and he probably made it 358 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: a good business decision because he's he's a crazy entrepreneur. 359 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: Crazy entrepreneur. 360 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, back shout out to Mashburg knew, oh yeah, yeah, 361 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: no doubt. And then real quickly, just like I mentioned it, earlier, 362 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: but the West. I think you can make the argument 363 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: that five or six the five or six best teams 364 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: in the league were in the West. You got San Antonio, 365 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 2: the Lakers, you got Dallas still had Nash, you know 366 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: Van Exel you meet them later. Sacramento Blazers, you know 367 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: KG Stocked him alone, were still in the league. What 368 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: was it like, just like every single night in the West, 369 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: you guys got you know, hall of famers to match 370 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: up against. 371 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: I think the attitude was, you know, not only every night, 372 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta you gotta battle. But I think 373 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: for the most part, we knew that we can get 374 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: out the West. We got a high chance and winning 375 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: the championship. And I think every team in the West 376 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: knew that our competition wasn't on the East. All our 377 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: competition was right here in our conference. And if we 378 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: can get out of our conference, we definitely can be 379 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: to any team on the East, because, like you said, 380 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: seven of the top ten teams in the league were 381 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: all in the Western Conference. So we were real confident 382 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: with you know, with the schedule. We played every night, 383 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: like you said, playing against hall of famers every night. 384 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: Kobe Traceman, great, all these guys. And even though I 385 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: think Brandon Roy was in the league at. 386 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 2: That time, No, that was uh, that was like uh 387 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: when Brandon Roy got in the league, what you got 388 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 2: the league? I want to say like six. 389 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: Six Okay, so that was Pippen was with the Blazers 390 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: then yeah, yeah, yeah, like so so all the teams 391 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: in the in the Western Conference were really the team 392 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: is that people have winning the championship. You really didn't 393 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: have no teams on the East that was front runners 394 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: to win the championship. So we had it. We had 395 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, Pop always said, you know, we take care 396 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: of business in the Western Conference. We will be all 397 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: right coming into the season. And we went on a 398 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: crazy run towards the end of the season. You know, 399 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: I think then we went in the. 400 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 3: Game they went sixty two games, uh sixty, but yeah, 401 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 3: but yeah, that end of the season, you're right, I 402 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: mean you rip off like a six game win streak 403 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: and eleven game win streak, yeah, a nine game win streak, 404 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: all pretty much post All Star. 405 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: So you're clicking at the right right and clicking right 406 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: time and clicking into the playoffs. The first round, you 407 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: guys get the Suns. That was a good team, they 408 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: weren't deep at all, but up top, I mean they 409 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 2: had Marbury, Amari Uh, they had Joe Johnson quickly before 410 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 2: we get into that whole series. I know you mentioned 411 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: Marbury was was a huge reason of your introduction into 412 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 2: the league. I think that's just a guy all the 413 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: skill level in the world. Unfortunately he never found that 414 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: like right home, and he gave you guys the business 415 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: in that series and in the regular season game one, 416 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: of course he hits that buzzer beater. Speak a little 417 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: bit on just the greatness of stuff on Marbury and 418 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: what a nightmare was game planning and matching up against him. 419 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Steph, Steph is a Hall of Fame. He 420 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: might have a championship, but look at his numbers, you 421 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: know him. 422 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: Numbers are you know what I'm saying. 423 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: I think I think he has a certain stat averaging 424 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: something twenty five and five or something like that for 425 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: a career as all that certain guys or something like 426 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: that as a stat that he has with Oscar Robinson 427 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: and we'll check that. Yeah, And I think with Steph 428 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: Man he don't get the the just do he deserve, 429 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, being being from New York and playing New 430 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: York and dealing with all that. You know, a lot 431 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: of people couldn't handle that. He was the king of 432 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: New York for a while and even when he was 433 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: even yeah, even when he was in New Jersey. You know, 434 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: he ran New York when he was in New Jersey. 435 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: I've seen that with my own eyes and and the 436 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: player he was you just go back to, you know, 437 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: and I think my rookie year said a lot about 438 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: Steph on Marble. If you look at that that All 439 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: Star game with him and Ai in two thousand and one, 440 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: when they playing the West, the West was stacked. Nobody 441 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: had the East winning the All Star Game down twenty 442 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: they go small, East go small, and Stephan Ai brings 443 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: them back. Was one of the most exciting All Star 444 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: games ever. But that but that game showed who Steph 445 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: on marborr he is. You know, he is just as 446 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: important to the Coulture's Ai, and he is just he's 447 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: just as a staple of basketball to our culture like AI, 448 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And people didn't give Steph 449 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: the same respect because he was a little bit more outspoken. 450 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: You know, he did things his way, you know, my 451 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: way of no way, and I get it. But when 452 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: it comes down to basketball, Steph on Marboro is a 453 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. He's my brother. He's somebody that helped 454 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: me make some life changing decisions. And I was about 455 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: to get married with out a pre number one time, 456 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: and he made sure that didn't happen, you. 457 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: Know, So shout out to shout out to stay shot. 458 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: To step Steph is my real brother, his family is 459 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: my real family. But step should definitely be a Hall 460 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: of Fame. 461 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 2: So as a as a prize for getting past the 462 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 2: first round, you get the Lakers fresh off of three 463 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: pet they still got shocking Kobe. I mean, what's the 464 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 2: game plan? Like, what is Pop's messaging when you're going 465 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 2: up in a series against two of the best players. 466 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: It wasn't really no game plan compete because because you 467 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: can't really double shack, you know, we we had we 468 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: had four or five guys to guard Shack, you know, 469 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: and Kevin Willis was supposed to came in the game 470 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: to only use the six files, and Kevin Willis played 471 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: his butt off against Shacking that series. I didn't have 472 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: a good series because one, I think Pop messed with 473 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: my head with my minutes, and two I didn't get 474 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: the ball to us, because I think my main focus 475 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: was they wanted me just play deep in some Kobe 476 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: and I don't know why because it was like I 477 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: wasn't even there. Kobe was working the shit out of 478 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: me that series, and it was really nothing I can 479 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: do that series. I had a bad series for a 480 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: couple of reasons. But for the most part, Gino played well, 481 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: our bench played tremendous, Moleigue played where Bruce played where, 482 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: like said, Kevin Willis came in and gave us great minutes. 483 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: And I think Tony Parker had a great series that series. Finally, 484 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: so but the Lakers, bro that was a different type 485 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: of monster because we knew they were coming off with 486 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: three p and we knew that, you know, we can 487 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: beat them. It's a great chance of us being champions 488 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: because this is the team that's been in San Antonio's 489 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: way the last four or five years, you know, getting 490 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: to the championshiplast. 491 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, last last two years they knocked out the Spurs. 492 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 493 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: I want to quickly talk about Game five. If you remember, 494 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 2: you might have erased it from your memory, but you're 495 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 2: up one. It's Game five. Series tied to too so 496 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: over wins that game five, most likely he's gonna win 497 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: the series. You get fouled up one, going to the line, 498 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: you split the free throws fifteen seconds left. Being up 499 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: two is a lot different than being up with three 500 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: because you're up by three, or maybe they hit a 501 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 2: game winning three, or they had game time. Three goes 502 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: into overtime. But now you're down two. They called time out, 503 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: they got the ball, and they have Kobe and Robert Orie, 504 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: two of the maybe clutchest players ever. Yeah, what's going 505 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 2: through your mind as you're walking through that bench? Are 506 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 2: you just avoiding eye contact the pop sitting down? 507 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: I probably more upset with myself because, you know, first round, 508 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: step to the line and knock my free throws down 509 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: in Phoenix, I played great in Phoenix, and to come 510 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: that second round and I play well, especially that game, 511 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: mister free throws. You know, that was kind of downing 512 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: for me because I'm I'm an eighty percent free throw shooter. 513 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: So I was upset with let my team down. But 514 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't wallow with it. That's 515 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: one thing about Steve and Tim. I'll make a mistake, 516 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, Let's go to the next player. Don't worry 517 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: about that, and they were. They was big on that. 518 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: So I was down, but I knew, I knew I 519 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: had to continue to play the game. 520 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: Mhm. So you guys take care of business in six there. 521 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 2: You got Dallas next, probably the other than probably the 522 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 2: the and you guys the best team in the league. 523 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: I mean, they had nashed, they had Dirk van Exel 524 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: loaded squad. Real quick, I want to shift to Pop. 525 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 2: I heard you talk about just the level of preparation 526 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: that can you just quickly describe like the difference between 527 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: Pops preparation and maybe some of the other coaches that 528 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: you played for in your career. What's that team apart 529 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: there just on like a preparation level. 530 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: I think what's different with them is their scoutings, their 531 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: scouts sheets. I've been on a lot of teams where 532 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: they kind of go over the other team's best players 533 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: and kind of get a little bit of what they 534 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: like to do. Every game. You get full on pamphlets 535 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: of every player, what they do, the percentages they go 536 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: left or right, and that helped us prepare for the 537 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: team that we're playing. I don't think any team was 538 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: as as focused on that being a big part of preparation. 539 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: Like the Spurs, dude, you have they gonna give you 540 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: all the keys to prepare me ready to play. Are 541 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: you gonna take them? Are you gonna do your study? Now? 542 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 3: You? 543 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: Are you gonna read? And it forces you to be 544 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: a profession and forced you to take your craft and 545 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: your game serious. But to have that, it's like a 546 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: cheat sheet, you know. They do a great job of 547 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: giving you a cheat sheet on how to guard your person. Now, 548 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: now you can't just read that and go out there 549 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: and stop a guy. You actually have to go physically 550 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: do it. But knowing which way a guy likes to drive, 551 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: knowing what with his tendencies and stuff like that. The 552 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: Spurs are the are the best at preparing you to 553 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: knowing your put your opponent's tendencies, and being ready for 554 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: anything they can bring to you. 555 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: And then what what's it like like after that? Once 556 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 2: you experience it, and then you're at another stop in 557 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 2: your career and you don't have that. 558 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: You compare everything to san Antonio. You compare everything to it. 559 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: But they don't do this with san Antonio. But this 560 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: is what they do with san Antonio, Like and and 561 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: I and I played you know, I played for Mike Brown, 562 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: uh outside of San Antonio and Indiana, and a lot 563 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: of his defensive stuff that he taught in San Antonio 564 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: he taught on the other teams. He's police coach, so 565 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: it's solid man. And with with with pop, I think 566 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: that if you are not buying in, if you're not 567 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: paying the teach in the detail, you're not studying and 568 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: preparing to guard to your person, He's gonna know and 569 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna affect your play for sure. 570 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: So Dallas series real quick. Dirk gets injured in Game three, 571 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 2: which is good for you guys, but I mean it 572 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 2: would have been cool to see that with both teams 573 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 2: at full strength. Finals. Like you said earlier, I think 574 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 2: if you can get back passed off team less than 575 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: the finals will be easier. But that series is uh 576 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 2: is closer than people realize. Was there something extra you 577 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: against New Jersey, that team that sort of just like 578 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: let you go, didn't didn't didn't appreciate you. 579 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: I definitely had that chip on my shoulder, you know, 580 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: byron ryra released me. You know, now I look at it, 581 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to start, and I'm gonna start on the 582 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: best team in the league. So definitely in my mind. 583 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking get back, that's all I'm thinking, 584 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: get back. And I had no idea how I was 585 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: gonna play. I just wanted to be solid and and 586 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: win the championship. I knew I never had an opportunity. 587 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people don't get the opportunity. 588 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: But I just wanted to be a star in my role, 589 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: and I knew I was gonna get an opportunity to 590 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: make a big shot. Steve Kirk kept telling me stay 591 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: in the game, you know, because a lot of times 592 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: my offense gets my defense gone. And POP wanted to 593 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: be that. Wanted it to be the other way around. 594 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: You know. I didn't feel like I was just a 595 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: guy that can stand in the corner and shoot threes. 596 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: I could do a lot, you know, I can make 597 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: my own plays, but they kind of held that back 598 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: from me and made me a spot up shooter. So 599 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: I just had to figure out, you know, when to 600 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: take my shots and you know, and when to be aggressive. 601 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: And I kind of found a way to do that. 602 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: Well, you stayed ready. Game six, you hit three big 603 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: threes and you guys win. What are the emotions going 604 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: through your mind? Just thinking about where you were, you know, 605 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: just a few years prior to that. 606 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was an unreal feeling. And my 607 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: mom and my aunt you know, up there screaming, you know, 608 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: and the whole journey I've been through, you know, just 609 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: to say I'm an NBA champion, you know, I'm a 610 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: champion on every level I played on it. You know, 611 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: that says a lot a lot of people never won 612 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: a championship on any level. I want a championship on 613 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: every level of high school, overseas, NBA Big Three and 614 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: and and at that time, just to be an NBA 615 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: champion from my hometowns, everything I've been through was it 616 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: was just like it was like I exhaled and I knew, 617 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, okay, I'm in the NBA. I belong here, 618 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: and you know, just to you know, like I said, 619 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: the sal I was the NBA champion, to say I 620 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: helped help David Robson get a ring his last year 621 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: for a retirement, to you know, make those big shots 622 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: in the playoffs and be a part of that run 623 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: with the Spurs. Uh, it meant a lot. Man and 624 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people say that was the that was 625 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: the first real championship they didn't really counting, so they 626 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: said two thousand three two was probably the best championship 627 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: because they had tim Man Day and it was a 628 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: whole season. So it's a blessing to be a part 629 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: of that. Like I said, ending an NBA career without 630 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 1: a championship, you know, it would suck to me, and 631 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: I was thankful to be able to get that early 632 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: in my career, my third year. 633 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: Early. I mean, do any of the moves that you 634 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: make in free agency or whatever after that if you 635 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: don't win that championship early, I know you make different moves. 636 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: You think, Nah, nah, I don't because you know, like 637 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: I said, I played well and I was a free 638 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: agent that year, and if I wasn't gonna get paid 639 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: that year, I was gonna get paid eventually. And they 640 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: decided to pay Genoti instead of me, So I knew 641 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: I still had to prove myself, but I knew I 642 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: had other options, you know, and that was my main focus. 643 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: M Well, it was an incredible year, I think, you know, 644 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 2: outside of it being a great team, it was just 645 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: like an amazing story on your end, coming from where 646 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: you did those few years. Any just like last words reflection, 647 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: things that stick with you today when you look back 648 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 2: at that time of your life. 649 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, I'm just just just say, you know, everything's 650 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: about opportunity, you know, take advantage opportunity. You know. Pop 651 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: didn't have to give me that opportunity. You know, when 652 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: I went back and made it to the Western Conference 653 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: finals again, I think it's for twelve fourteen, something like 654 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: that thirteen with the Spurs. You know, it was good 655 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: to be back, but the feeling wasn't the same because 656 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: Pop didn't trust me like he did the first time, 657 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: and it ended on a sour note where he released 658 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: me right for the playoff where I couldn't sign with 659 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: another team, And most players will hold the grudge because 660 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: that was the end of my career. I ain't playing 661 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: the more after that. Really, I will never played them 662 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: at that. When coaches do that, it makes it look 663 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: like you're done. So Pop put me in that position. 664 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: But I would forever be thankful for the position, for 665 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: the opportunity he gave me in two thousand and three 666 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: to be on that championship team and to give me 667 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: a job for two years, you know, because if I 668 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't win in that team, I would have be ended 669 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: my career without a championship. And if you play the 670 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: game as to win, if you play the game to 671 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: be the best, then you want to have a one 672 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: rain before you retire. And I'm forever in debt to 673 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: Pop for that. 674 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 2: Well. They can call you a lot of things, but 675 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 2: they got to make sure you're champion in there, because 676 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: you are capin. Jack. We appreciate your time and thank 677 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: you for joining us. 678 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: Now my pleasure anytime. Man. You know I'm a fan 679 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: of what you got going on to it once again. 680 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the family. 681 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 2: This has been forgotten seasons with Steven Jackson on the 682 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: two thousand and three Spurs. I'm your host, Dylan Dreyfus. 683 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: I hope you guys enjoyed much love to Stack for 684 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: hopping on and sharing his story. Remember to drop a 685 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: rating and a review if you liked what you just heard. 686 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: We'll be back next Monday. Until then, you can check 687 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: out Showtime Basketball for more. We got Chandler Parsons on 688 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: all the Smoke dropping this week, which I'm really excited for. 689 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: Also got KG certified What's Burning and Moore. Be sure 690 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: to check it all out. We will be back next week. 691 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening and see you then