1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,559 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: Joined by the new member of the Patriots Hall Fame, 5 00:00:39,679 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 2: Mike Rainbow. 6 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 9 00:00:47,918 --> 00:00:50,439 Speaker 2: coy Or. Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, 10 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:55,679 Speaker 3: Good to be home, Good to see you, guys. 12 00:00:55,759 --> 00:00:58,479 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:06,518 Speaker 3: I gotta great great What about you? Yeah? Good? 14 00:01:07,438 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 4: First question a thought on, uh, what you liked about 15 00:01:11,919 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 4: you know, obviously guys came up short. 16 00:01:13,598 --> 00:01:16,678 Speaker 1: But what you liked from your defense and. 17 00:01:16,759 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 4: The energy that you saw, Yeah, flying around, playing with 18 00:01:20,878 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 4: a good passion, energy, effort and going out there and 19 00:01:25,199 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 4: going out there and trying to win the football game. 20 00:01:28,759 --> 00:01:32,438 Speaker 1: What the doll Challenge chats on the Saturday. 21 00:01:32,639 --> 00:01:35,279 Speaker 4: They do a lot of things well, so it starts 22 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,999 Speaker 4: off with the quarterback does a really good job and 23 00:01:38,078 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 4: then obviously with their running game, different personnel group. Its 24 00:01:42,039 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 4: eleven twenty two, twelve personnel, different guys in the game. 25 00:01:47,559 --> 00:01:47,719 Speaker 2: Uh. 26 00:01:47,999 --> 00:01:51,319 Speaker 4: And obviously they do a good job of really just 27 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:55,159 Speaker 4: their scheme runs and really attacking the defense, whether it's 28 00:01:55,199 --> 00:01:56,959 Speaker 4: the run game and their play action pass. 29 00:01:56,999 --> 00:01:59,039 Speaker 3: So a lot of people talk about the run. 30 00:01:58,999 --> 00:02:01,839 Speaker 4: Game, but their eighth and explosives really in the NFL 31 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 4: and with their past game. 32 00:02:03,679 --> 00:02:04,799 Speaker 3: So and that sets it up. 33 00:02:06,479 --> 00:02:07,799 Speaker 2: Q was pretty hardly something. 34 00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:10,198 Speaker 3: It's one pretty hard only something to talk to vious, 35 00:02:10,679 --> 00:02:12,599 Speaker 3: especially in regardless players to run. 36 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:16,198 Speaker 4: What are you've seen from them the last weeks? Just 37 00:02:17,119 --> 00:02:20,478 Speaker 4: not Yeah, I think we all need to do a 38 00:02:20,519 --> 00:02:23,159 Speaker 4: better job, not just pointing out Kia. We all need 39 00:02:23,199 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 4: to do a better job where there's fundamental technique and 40 00:02:26,239 --> 00:02:29,999 Speaker 4: it's good first first steps starts with accountability and out 41 00:02:30,119 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 4: take that accountability and the players have accountability. 42 00:02:32,999 --> 00:02:36,559 Speaker 3: So uh, not putting that just on Keon. Uh, you 43 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 3: know all of us who for. 44 00:02:38,999 --> 00:02:40,478 Speaker 5: The first time in a couple of weeks, it's wonder 45 00:02:40,559 --> 00:02:41,798 Speaker 5: what did you think of his performance? 46 00:02:41,959 --> 00:02:44,638 Speaker 3: Did you feel like he earned more stats from the forward? Yeah? 47 00:02:44,679 --> 00:02:45,719 Speaker 3: I thought he did a good job. 48 00:02:45,839 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 4: Anytime he's up, he plays on defense, so he does 49 00:02:48,279 --> 00:02:51,559 Speaker 4: a really good job for us. Uh and uh I 50 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 4: thought for him he did a good job as far 51 00:02:53,719 --> 00:02:56,319 Speaker 4: as his communication being being in the areas where he 52 00:02:56,399 --> 00:03:00,319 Speaker 4: needed to be. Again, Uh, Tay is a good football 53 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:00,879 Speaker 4: player for us. 54 00:03:01,239 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 3: Do you know what he is? Like? I think that 55 00:03:03,399 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 3: when we came into the year that he rob mentally 56 00:03:06,038 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 3: we're not totally sure where he best fits or what 57 00:03:08,839 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 3: his best position. Did you feel like now after almost 58 00:03:11,399 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: the full. 59 00:03:11,719 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 2: Season with him, that he have a better idea of 60 00:03:14,399 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 2: where he fits in your defense? 61 00:03:16,038 --> 00:03:20,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good football player. What is I know, 62 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 3: he's backed up right now? What does will Tisney do 63 00:03:22,359 --> 00:03:23,319 Speaker 3: for the Chargers offense? 64 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: I'm sorry? 65 00:03:24,279 --> 00:03:26,279 Speaker 3: Oh sorry? Uh again? 66 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:29,159 Speaker 4: Like, I think they do a really good job using 67 00:03:29,239 --> 00:03:32,719 Speaker 4: their personnel, whether it's you know, you know from the 68 00:03:32,799 --> 00:03:35,958 Speaker 4: tight end position all right, you know, creating the wild 69 00:03:35,959 --> 00:03:38,479 Speaker 4: wah wings in the backfield. I think they do a 70 00:03:38,519 --> 00:03:41,599 Speaker 4: good job of using every everybody they have available. So 71 00:03:42,839 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 4: you know, when you look at their roster, big physical 72 00:03:46,559 --> 00:03:49,359 Speaker 4: players who can do a good amount of things, it's 73 00:03:49,399 --> 00:03:49,679 Speaker 4: kind of. 74 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:52,439 Speaker 3: Your hard type of game for you guys, because they. 75 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 4: Just seem to be physical over yeah, no doubt, I 76 00:03:55,959 --> 00:03:59,599 Speaker 4: mean every week is like that anyway. Every week. You know, 77 00:03:59,679 --> 00:04:02,799 Speaker 4: you bring your hard hat week, but for sure, you know, 78 00:04:02,959 --> 00:04:05,599 Speaker 4: for sure we need to be ready to get ready 79 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:06,199 Speaker 4: to stop the run. 80 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:09,319 Speaker 2: So and you play quarterback, you know, like Josh Allen 81 00:04:09,519 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 2: Pilot of the week before rush, laying the integrity seems 82 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:15,639 Speaker 2: like an important thing those matchups, like do you almost 83 00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 2: like assess it differently than get just catching up the 84 00:04:18,719 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: field with quarterback pressures and things like that when you 85 00:04:21,239 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 2: play quarterback that you're purposely trying to keep in the 86 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: pocket instead. 87 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, because guys like Josh Allen, he's definitely deadly when 88 00:04:30,318 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 4: he gets out of the pocket and can hurt you. 89 00:04:32,599 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 4: So I think each week each quarterbacks a little bit 90 00:04:36,079 --> 00:04:38,319 Speaker 4: different than how they scrambling where they want to scramble. 91 00:04:38,999 --> 00:04:41,999 Speaker 4: They all have the ability to to use that tool. 92 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 4: It's just how how do they do it? Do they 93 00:04:44,438 --> 00:04:46,759 Speaker 4: vertical out the pocket? Do they go out to ways? 94 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 4: Do they run lose ground? And how you want to 95 00:04:50,078 --> 00:04:52,079 Speaker 4: combat that, you know, going to this left, going to 96 00:04:52,159 --> 00:04:53,878 Speaker 4: our right, those those different things. 97 00:04:54,359 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 5: Mark, I know you guys are game plan operations, ask 98 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,039 Speaker 5: similar questions before. But you know Sunday, well, the high 99 00:05:00,078 --> 00:05:01,879 Speaker 5: rate man coverage, you guys got to the playoff season 100 00:05:02,198 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 5: to the window of the Bears Jets similar in Cincinnati? 101 00:05:05,799 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 5: Is it ver said, it's kind of the best way 102 00:05:07,678 --> 00:05:09,959 Speaker 5: that you guys played the best version of yourselves. 103 00:05:10,919 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 4: I think we just do what we need to do 104 00:05:12,678 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 4: to try to win the game whoever we're playing against, So, 105 00:05:16,078 --> 00:05:18,519 Speaker 4: you know, and I think there's also an in game 106 00:05:18,599 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 4: feel of how you're able to play the game too, 107 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,758 Speaker 4: So whether you're a head, whether it is a passing 108 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,398 Speaker 4: game where it's a more of a running game. 109 00:05:26,239 --> 00:05:27,759 Speaker 3: So I think that goes with it. 110 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:30,399 Speaker 4: You can go into the game plan with a zach plan, 111 00:05:30,799 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 4: and then also you have to make the adjustments on 112 00:05:32,678 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 4: based off of how the game is going too, so 113 00:05:34,958 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 4: and then do you have the lead, you know, what's 114 00:05:37,078 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 4: the what's their mentality on us going into the game too? 115 00:05:40,159 --> 00:05:43,439 Speaker 5: Is learning in particularly as to quin struggle out with 116 00:05:43,599 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 5: the Rocky ends right now? 117 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:51,439 Speaker 3: Yeah? Uh, are fundamentals run fits Mark is when you 118 00:05:51,599 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 3: aready man coverage and you're deciding how to deploy Christian Gonzales. 119 00:05:56,958 --> 00:05:59,198 Speaker 2: Is it always him against the top. 120 00:05:59,119 --> 00:06:04,399 Speaker 5: Guy or do you consider all the collective matchups. 121 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,199 Speaker 3: That's best where Yeah? 122 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 4: So, uh, I think it depends week the week on 123 00:06:09,078 --> 00:06:11,999 Speaker 4: who we're playing, whether it's best matchup, whether it's field, 124 00:06:11,999 --> 00:06:14,879 Speaker 4: whether it's boundary or based off of down and distance. 125 00:06:14,958 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 4: So it depends on what we we're playing and who 126 00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:17,519 Speaker 4: we're playing. 127 00:06:18,919 --> 00:06:20,878 Speaker 1: Sorry, but he has the versatiility. 128 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,199 Speaker 2: If you wanted to man him against a slot guy, 129 00:06:26,239 --> 00:06:27,759 Speaker 2: you'd you'd be comfortable doing that. 130 00:06:27,999 --> 00:06:31,318 Speaker 4: Of course, long Runner look like there was a lot 131 00:06:31,359 --> 00:06:33,639 Speaker 4: of communication going on before the snap board happened. 132 00:06:33,639 --> 00:06:35,639 Speaker 3: I was wondering was that a communication issue? Is that 133 00:06:35,719 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 3: a fundamentals issue? And how did you feel about the 134 00:06:37,479 --> 00:06:39,639 Speaker 3: communication overall for the game? 135 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 4: Communication was great. That was probably one of the lack 136 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:45,678 Speaker 4: of communication there. And I would say both. 137 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,999 Speaker 1: Letting how much of what he does is based off 138 00:06:50,039 --> 00:06:50,759 Speaker 1: the slot. 139 00:06:50,558 --> 00:06:55,158 Speaker 3: And how do the Chargers using Yeah, they moved around. Yes, 140 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:56,119 Speaker 3: it is in the slot. 141 00:06:56,198 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 4: And I would say he's definitely a go to guy 142 00:06:58,438 --> 00:07:01,878 Speaker 4: player for and you want to say for a rookie, 143 00:07:02,198 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 4: you know he's playing really really well and good quickness, 144 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:10,159 Speaker 4: good route runner they were, they were moving around, motion them, 145 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:13,119 Speaker 4: So yeah, he's definitely be you know, a point of 146 00:07:13,119 --> 00:07:14,999 Speaker 4: attack guy for for Saturday. 147 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:15,919 Speaker 3: Mark, Well, you. 148 00:07:15,919 --> 00:07:19,519 Speaker 5: Remember about your past battles of Justin Purpert. Statistically it 149 00:07:19,599 --> 00:07:21,999 Speaker 5: went pretty well, but just the thieves there. 150 00:07:22,839 --> 00:07:23,039 Speaker 3: Yeah. 151 00:07:23,599 --> 00:07:26,359 Speaker 4: Again, I think for us, you know, you can look 152 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:28,319 Speaker 4: at the past, but I think we got to stay 153 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:30,639 Speaker 4: in the presence of what we need to do to 154 00:07:30,679 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 4: win the game. He's a very good quarterback. He improves 155 00:07:34,799 --> 00:07:38,039 Speaker 4: every single year, and I do know, yes, we have 156 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 4: you know, great success with him in the past. You know, 157 00:07:41,919 --> 00:07:43,919 Speaker 4: I think you still got to stay in the present. 158 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:48,039 Speaker 4: And really for him, it's you know, he's great command 159 00:07:48,078 --> 00:07:52,759 Speaker 4: of the offense. His understanding the defenses is great. You know, 160 00:07:52,879 --> 00:07:54,599 Speaker 4: he can run when he needs to run the ball. 161 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:57,079 Speaker 4: He can throw the ball anywhere on the field. And 162 00:07:57,279 --> 00:07:59,959 Speaker 4: so for for us, it's about stopping those things to 163 00:08:00,359 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 4: you know, control him, not letting them scramble vertical in 164 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:06,199 Speaker 4: the pocket, uh not let him you know, make it 165 00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:08,639 Speaker 4: easy on them, seeing the coverages and different stuff like that. 166 00:08:09,719 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 2: A lot of questions that reflected in his own reception. 167 00:08:12,999 --> 00:08:13,919 Speaker 3: Total this year. 168 00:08:15,239 --> 00:08:18,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, they stay balanced, They're able to move the ball 169 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:21,319 Speaker 4: a lot, their head on, their head on, you know, 170 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:24,279 Speaker 4: they went on first down. So when able to you know, 171 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:26,799 Speaker 4: have a good running game, you know, good play action 172 00:08:26,999 --> 00:08:29,999 Speaker 4: game and then take the profit and then making smart 173 00:08:30,119 --> 00:08:34,879 Speaker 4: decisions and being able to recoverage exactly right, and so's that's. 174 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 3: Why they're in games. A lot of games. 175 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 4: They don't turn the ball over, don't make many mistakes 176 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:42,759 Speaker 4: on that stuff. So that's why they're pretty much in 177 00:08:42,839 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 4: all the games because you know, if you turn the 178 00:08:44,239 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 4: ball over, it's a high percent chance you're not winning 179 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 4: the game. 180 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:54,039 Speaker 1: Thank you, Patriots Playbook, join John Rook as he brings 181 00:08:54,078 --> 00:08:56,759 Speaker 1: you all the latest Patriots Talk, an expert commentary direct 182 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:00,039 Speaker 1: from Patriots HQ. The show features interviews with New England 183 00:09:00,078 --> 00:09:02,399 Speaker 1: and Opponent beat writers that bring you a unique media 184 00:09:02,479 --> 00:09:03,479 Speaker 1: view of the state of the team. 185 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 3: But where the Patriots are concerned. 186 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,519 Speaker 1: Let's just get one thing done, and let's get it 187 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:10,519 Speaker 1: done right, and then we can worry about versatility. 188 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:11,799 Speaker 5: Am I lying to anybody here? 189 00:09:12,119 --> 00:09:14,399 Speaker 1: Let's just get one thing done. Let's get one thing 190 00:09:14,519 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: done right, and then we can move along. 191 00:09:16,959 --> 00:09:18,399 Speaker 3: That's kind of my biggest thing. 192 00:09:18,479 --> 00:09:21,078 Speaker 1: Search Patriots Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts.