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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well I want to

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Speaker 1: be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day? Edo State?

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Speaker 3: Is that? Whoo whoom?

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Speaker 2: And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, welcome back to the show. My good friend,

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Speaker 1: can you do me a favor? Always anything? For Tie,

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Speaker 1: I want you to hold up twelve fingers.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so there's there's the one in two to

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Speaker 2: form a twelve or one and two depending on your angle.

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Speaker 2: Here's ten and two. Okay, I'm doing the best I can.

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Speaker 2: Or I guess sixteen would make more sense with this.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, well see that's the confusing part of college football.

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Speaker 1: Now everybody's got a different conference name than the number

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Speaker 1: of teams in the conference.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, maybe Cody Campbell. How many fingers

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Speaker 2: you need? I can buy those. How many fingers you need?

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Speaker 2: I can get you fingers in the next hour and

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Speaker 2: a half. What do you need per finger?

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Speaker 1: It is the Big twelve Preview Episode Part one Today,

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Speaker 1: Part one where we go through our tier rankings, talk

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Speaker 1: through contenders, talk through main storylines.

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Speaker 2: Things like that.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into team previews on the next

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Speaker 1: two episodes. We promise us sixteen teams in this freaking conference.

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Speaker 1: We will get into that, I promise you over the

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Speaker 1: next two episodes. And go back and listen to the

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Speaker 1: ACC and the G five previews and the intro to

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five season and preview episode that we

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Speaker 1: did a couple weeks back. Now we are deep in

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Speaker 1: the weeds here reviewing all you need to know for

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Speaker 1: this college football season. Dan, how are you today? Welcome back?

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I have my legal pad out with both

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Speaker 2: my Big ten notes. I'm also taking out my pen

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Speaker 2: to write down to pull. There will be blood sounds

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Speaker 2: for when we talk Texas Tech specifically on I assume

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Speaker 2: part two of our Big twelve previews to say, who's

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Speaker 2: to say we haven't made think I need some Daniel

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Speaker 2: plainview into the Texas Tech conversation. All right, that's it. Continue.

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Speaker 1: I love it. If you were new here, we got

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Speaker 2: And screw it.

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Speaker 3: TIE.

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Speaker 2: This year, we're going to give people early ads so

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Speaker 2: before the shows come out, so you can get a

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Speaker 2: heads up on whatever Sherry's berries or mattress or uh

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Speaker 2: literally anything that might be a partner of the show.

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Speaker 2: We'll give you early access to the ads. How about that? TIE.

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Speaker 2: That's my promise to you.

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Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do, we can find

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Speaker 1: a way to do it. My friend.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, Where are you at with the Big twelve?

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Speaker 2: Pure entertainment tie? That's where I'm at. We'm at with

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Speaker 2: the Big Twelve. The Big Twelve is fascinating, not unlike

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Speaker 2: a lot of these conferences, but it's fascinating because you

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Speaker 2: can tuck yourself into more teams in the Big Twelve

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Speaker 2: regarding a sensational season or fixing an element of their

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Speaker 2: team that was in dire straits and dire need of

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Speaker 2: being fixed. And with how the season wound down last

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Speaker 2: year with so many teams like okay, if this team wins,

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Speaker 2: This team loses the next one, like there is. It's

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Speaker 2: not that it's just wide open, It's that there are

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Speaker 2: unwrap this wrapping paper.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited too. In the last episode, or I

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Speaker 1: guess a couple episodes ago, now, I compared the Big

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Speaker 1: twelve to the Grand pre Mode of Mario Kart. Sure,

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Speaker 1: This is the ultimate chaos conference in definitely is what

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of variability here that we're going

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Speaker 1: the Big Twelve, because who doesn't want the chaos candidates

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Speaker 2: If they if they're very clearly competitive, yes, if they're competitive.

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Speaker 1: To put things in context, our friend Bill Connolly from

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Speaker 1: over at ESPN dropped his Big Twelve preview. All sixteen

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Speaker 1: teams in the conference have at least a thirty five

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Speaker 1: If anything reinforces the fact that it's going to get weird,

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think there is a certain floor, a high

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Speaker 2: floor of quarterback competency. For some reason, Jalen Daniels is

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Speaker 2: eligible once again to play college football. But no, you

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Speaker 2: look across this conference, and even if you have quarterback

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Speaker 2: It's hard to make a case that they're not. They're

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Speaker 2: But you're right, and I appreciate you bringing that up. Ty.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the conference in aggregate because media members

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Speaker 2: It does nothing but help the conference to have that

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Speaker 1: Five kind of a bummer. Yeah, well, we're gonna make

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Speaker 1: I don't think they are. Who knows dionnat Colorado losing

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Speaker 2: But also why not? Also why not be a contender?

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna be led by defense this year,

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Speaker 1: the next chapter looks like for Arizona State, which we

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Speaker 1: But just a lot of I think interesting storylines that

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Speaker 1: I'm so high on the Big Twelve this year.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if you're watching on YouTube, I am

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Speaker 2: stretching and folding sourdough. Stretching and folding sourdough while doing

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring that up, because, not to give

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Speaker 1: Ty both of them are food related, just for me,

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Speaker 1: just so I'm doing this just for you. Yeah, this

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Speaker 2: So the Big Twelve as a whole is bringing this

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Speaker 2: I want to talk through our contender tiers with you.

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Speaker 2: And something that bounced around in my head this morning

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Speaker 2: is how the Big Twelve finds itself let's say on

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Speaker 2: the opposite end of this fight to preserve college football.

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Speaker 2: You know, we hear so much about the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: Destroy the college football universe. And I thought, as we're

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Speaker 1: Zelda Tears of the Kingdom, in which there is also

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Speaker 1: a bad guy, Gannendorf, trying to destroy the world. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Ready, get ready, dance? Sixteen teams in this damn conference. Yes,

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Speaker 3: these are the tiers of the Kingdom. Who's at the

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Speaker 2: Arizona State? Okay, I'm going ASO. It's a very easy answer,

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Speaker 2: but when faced with the chaoskic nature of the Big Twelve,

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Speaker 2: with transfers and nobody really jumping out, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go with the team with proven championship DNA. Sam Levitt

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Speaker 2: defense Number one receiver is once again healthy. Their biggest

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Speaker 2: I think running back not the very specific kind of

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Speaker 1: I really struggled with this top tier. I've got six

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Speaker 1: teams in my top tier. We talked through who those are.

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Speaker 1: Obviously Arizona State is clearly in that upper crust. Nearly

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Speaker 1: everybody's back, as you said, Sam Levitt, Jordan Tyson good

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Speaker 1: line a lot on defense, they got to figure out

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Speaker 1: a pass rush.

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Speaker 2: That's they definitely do.

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Speaker 1: I think the other point of contention I have, and

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Speaker 1: But you know, if you don't get the margins this

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Speaker 2: Counterpoint, they won their final Big twelve game last year

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Speaker 2: So yeah, amount unknown about Iowa State, but you know,

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Speaker 1: It's a great starting point, and there's steam on this program.

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Speaker 1: Hate Football, but quite literally the best season ever for

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Speaker 2: So that's that's where I land on TCU. I'm still

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Speaker 1: Baylor and Baylor in Texas Tech. Okay, yeah, so Baylor

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Speaker 2: And of remind me is that Baylor has a SMU

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've also got Texas Tech in this top tier.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is the most scheme I can ever remember

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Speaker 1: I think they're really smart with how they use the portal.

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Speaker 2: Now high school recruiting and oh yeah, the roster will continue. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: This is the tip of the iceberg for Texas Tech.

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Speaker 1: I've got Texas Tech in there regardless, though I still

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Speaker 1: They'refore, Baylor is four for me, Baylor.

436
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 2: Four, Texas Tech five, Texas.

437
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: Tech five, and then I've got Utah at six.

438
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: What is the margin between Baylor and Texas Tech?

439
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: Not much?

440
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: Okay? Is it schedule? Is it? You like Sawyer Robertson

441
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: more than Baron Morton. You like, you know, the combination

442
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 2: of all the guys returning, especially in the backfield for

443
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: Baylor loss of Taje Brooks replaced in Quentin Joyner, Like,

444
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 2: is there anything else?

445
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: I like the offen more?

446
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:01,479
Speaker 2: Okay?

447
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: I like the offense more. I think the offense last

448
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: season under Jake Spavodoal was electric. I think they're going

449
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: to take another step forward this year.

450
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

451
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: So the offense I think is in a better, more

452
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: reliable place, even though I do like Texas Tech, but

453
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: losing Todge Brooks is a bit of a dagger.

454
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

455
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: Secondly, on the defensive side of the ball, Randa did

456
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: improve things when he took the rings. Okay, So I

457
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: am of the mind that Baylor is going to have

458
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: a better offense and hopefully going to have a better

459
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: defense with the Randa at the rings, Texas Tech has upside.

460
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: But if I'm looking at this and if you're asking Margins,

461
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: the margin for me is basically Dave Randa and his

462
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: defensive prowess.

463
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 2: You need guys, though, and then they went to the portal,

464
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: but you do need guys. You needed to sort of

465
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: actually make plays. So how many teams is that in

466
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: your top tier six? And then the six is Utah?

467
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

468
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: Is Utah.

469
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: I love Utah. I really like you Uta. I am

470
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: aggressively on the over seven and a half for Utah

471
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: because I love what they did on offense. Genuinely, I

472
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: think they're going to be one of the better, more

473
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: interesting offenses in the Big twelve. I think depth on defense,

474
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: weirdly is something to watch for this team, like usually

475
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: they're known for that, you know, but with how banged

476
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: up this team has been over the last couple of seasons,

477
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: depth on defense isn't where I would like it to

478
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: be to feel a little bit more comfortable about that.

479
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: There's also low Kia rebuild going on along the defensive line,

480
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: which again is something that we can usually rely upon

481
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: when we talk about Utah. Oh and this also might

482
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: be the toughest schedule in the Big Twelve.

483
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: It's a real tough schedule.

484
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: But I don't want to count him out because I

485
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: like Kyle Whittingham. Kyle Whittingham has been one of the

486
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: rare points of stability throughout college football, and he generally

487
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: figures out a way to make it work. He just

488
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: needs to get that offense humming a little bit more.

489
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: And I like the higher adjacent beck for New Mexico.

490
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: I like Devin dan Pier, I like what they have

491
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: done here. I'm not willing to fully commit to it,

492
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: but I don't want to take them lower than that

493
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: top tier.

494
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 2: It's just something. There's something about Utah that I want

495
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: to know that they have the ability to score twenty

496
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: eight points with some regularity, and I'm not there like

497
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: I need even if they're so far ahead on defense

498
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: as it relates to their offense right now, it appears

499
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: I want some sort of hint that they can score

500
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: four touchdowns in a game. And after last season, you know,

501
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: it's a ton of new players, but like we kind

502
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: of this is the sort of mo with Kyle winningham teams,

503
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: and in this conference specifically, if they don't have a

504
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: guy who's been in the program forever, or they don't

505
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: seem to have all American tight ends, or I mean,

506
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: they've never had a guy who can stretch the field deep,

507
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: it seems I don't know. And a conference this wide open,

508
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 2: with how many changes they have on offense, I'm at

509
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: this moment, I'm not putting them in my top tier.

510
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: So is what is your top tier? Then if mine

511
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: is those six teams, where is your cutoff? And secondly,

512
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: what is the margin between Arizona State and whoever you have?

513
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: Second not dramatic because you're right about the turnover thing

514
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: from last year, and you know, I always get a

515
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: little bit scared when a team is able to just

516
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: sort of turn it on at a certain point of

517
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: the season, like ASU was, And I like that teams

518
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: can figure it out and they can build on it.

519
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: But it's a new year. Every team. Every year is

520
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: a fluid thing. So I'm going to say it's not

521
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: particularly dramatic because I don't love Arizona State's schedule. It

522
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: is tricky. They went Mississippi State early on in the season.

523
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: Do they have anybody else non conference and don't on

524
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: the schedule in front of me.

525
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Arizona State's got Northern Illinois, the Lumberjacks. They hated Lumberjacks.

526
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: They're at Mississippi State. They're home against Texas State the

527
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: first three weeks of the season.

528
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: You call it, you said, Northern Illinois is the Lumberjacks

529
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: or Northern Arizona Northern Arizona excuse me playing a dome

530
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: by the way, though, Yeah they do. That's a little

531
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: dome up there, I think in flag Staff. Yeah, I mean,

532
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: we'll see what the Texas State offense looks like, the

533
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: Mississippi State offense looks like the Baylor offense and TCU

534
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: back to back are going to be tough. Texas Tech

535
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 2: offense should be tough. We'll see on Iowa States, and

536
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: then a big old wild card to finish out the

537
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: season with those last three of West Virginia, Colorado, Arizona.

538
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put my top tier as ASU, Kansas State,

539
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: Texas Tech. Actually do I want Texas Tech three.

540
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: See, this is the best part of the Big twelve.

541
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: This is the best part.

542
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna put Texas Tech against ahead of Iowa State.

543
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: Those are gonna be my four. I'm gonna cut it

544
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: at four before Baylor in Utah and TCU. So you're

545
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: pretty high on Tech, then I am decently high on

546
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: Texas Tech. I have outstanding questions about Baron Morton against

547
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: good teams. He has not been that guy against teams

548
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: with winning records at all. Downfield consistently they leaned on

549
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: Todje Brooks. I assume they're going to enjoy the Quentin

550
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: Joyner ex An's no pun intended, but I worry about

551
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: the amount of new coupled with new expectations that were

552
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: not earned on the field these last three years. So

553
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: I have Texas Tech behind there, but I have them

554
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: ahead of Iowa State in this moment because this is

555
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: also a team that I'm going to need some answers

556
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: on defense if this is a team led by defense.

557
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: So since I'm jotting this down and sea four, we

558
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: have separate teers. You've got Arizona State, You've got Kansas State, Yes,

559
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: You've got Texas Tech, and you've got Iowa.

560
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, And that's my cutoff.

561
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: So what is holding back? I'm assuming Baylor, I'm assuming Utah.

562
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: It's that those teams need to win. It seems right. Now,

563
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: we'll see on the hopeful improvement, but if the improvement

564
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: is decent but not overwhelming, then Baylor's going to need

565
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: to win a bunch of games forty one thirds and

566
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: Utah is gonna need to win a bunch of games

567
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: seventeen thirteen. And I'm just never enamored with teams who

568
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: need to win games in very specific ways.

569
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: Who else do you have in that tier down?

570
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: Then I've got TCU. I don't really know what to

571
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: make of BYU given the late Jake Okay, when I

572
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: say the late, the late transfer portal edition of Jake

573
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: Rhetz laugh no longer at BYU, and so I think

574
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: it's what m McKay McCrae hill as stand. I don't know.

575
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: It kind of sounds like your last name. So I

576
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: don't know what to make of BYU beyond I like

577
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 2: pieces on their defense, but offensively they lose a good

578
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: amount of pop out wide, and obviously Jake Rhet's laugh

579
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: was very good for them, So they're sort of TBD

580
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: in that second tier. I think that's kind of it.

581
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: So it's Baylor, Utah TCU. I kind of reserve the

582
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: right to put Kansas there, but I'm not there yet

583
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: with Kansas.

584
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: I've got TCU there. I really like Josh Houver, Yeah,

585
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: I really like them. My problem though, is that you

586
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: have to like Josh Hoover a lot to put them higher. Yeah,

587
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: he's got to do a lot of it himself. Yeah,

588
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: they can't run the ball. It's all going to be

589
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: on joshuit. Maybe they get better at it, but if

590
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: we use last year as a proof of concept, it

591
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: was all on Josh Hoover, right, and they didn't run

592
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: it all. I think the defense will be better this

593
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: season for TCU, which is why I have them at

594
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: the top of my next tier up. Okay, but they

595
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: were really bad against the run last season and it's

596
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: a brutal schedule, so I can't go higher with TCU.

597
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: I do have Kansas in my like, I guess middle

598
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: tier whatever we're.

599
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: Calling this a lot back on defense up front. Yeah,

600
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: I've got Kansas as a seven win team, man, Okay,

601
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 2: I mean they looked like it after the first four

602
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: or five games last year. They were of that kind

603
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: of seven eight win quality. The way they looked against

604
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: Colorado after Warren Sapp was very confident they were that

605
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: team and they just took a month and a half

606
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: to figure out how to get there.

607
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: There is a lot of steam on Kansas right now

608
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: because they're real opening the booth, their stadium, which was.

609
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: They played away from home, they didn't play home games.

610
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: Last year and extended renovations. We're going to get to

611
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: see that on display relatively early. But let me do

612
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: use my Ashanti quote here. Okay, it's about trust. It's

613
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: about trust with Kansas. Do we trust that Jalen Daniels

614
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: can stay healthy? Do we trust the back seven? Do

615
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: we think the coordinator shift can restart the Andy kotil

616
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: Nikki offense? That's kind of what they're.

617
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: Banking on, was it Matt Lubick well traveled.

618
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

619
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: Kansas is in a nice spot emotionally to me. I

620
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: think there were expectations last year, a year before this year.

621
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: They're just kind of underneath the surface. You know, there's

622
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: as you your term, there's steam on Kansas State, there's

623
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: steam on Texas Tech, obviously, ASU champ Iowa State right there.

624
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: Last year they were kind of quietly in that mix.

625
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: Kansas is just lurking. They're in a nice place. To

626
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: have a nice kick near the end of the year

627
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: if they can win a couple of winnable games early,

628
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: which they didn't do last year.

629
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: So if my top tier is those six teams that

630
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: I mentioned before, Case State, Iowa State, Arizona State, Baylor,

631
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: Texas Tech, and Utah in that order, my next one

632
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: up is TCU and then Kansas, and then I've got Cincinnati. Okay,

633
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: And I'm curious to get your thoughts on this because

634
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's got a defense with a lot back. Cincinnati was better,

635
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: I think than the record showed last season. I really

636
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: like Brendan Sowersby the counterpoint, of course, they're losing four

637
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: starting offensive linemen, top six receivers, a twelve hundred.

638
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: Yard pack, yeah, Corey Kiner.

639
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they've got a good schedule, and I think

640
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: that again, this is a team that was better than

641
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: maybe the record indicated last season. So it's like, which

642
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: side of the coin are you with Cincinnati? Are you

643
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: on the side of this is a good schedule with

644
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: a lot back on defense and a quarterback that I

645
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: think we both would agree is at least serviceable. He's decent. Yeah,

646
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: I kind of like him. But then on the flip side.

647
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: There still is a lot new to figure out. There

648
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: is mounting pressure. If you go out and read Cincinnati

649
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: football previews, there is no stage, no shortage of frustration

650
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: with respect to Scott Sadderfield trying to turn this thing around.

651
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: You can kind of pick your own adventure here with

652
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: Cincinnati this year.

653
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: It's also a question of like, Okay, Cincinnati seems decent,

654
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: but if they're more than decent, why right? It was

655
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: a very average offense overall last year and a pretty

656
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: average defense, and so that gets you a pretty average team.

657
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: Average is better than bat We can write that down.

658
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: But also, where's the pop? Where's the spice? Where's the

659
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: identity that has them beating a team that seems more talented,

660
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: seems better, seems that they're more well positioned to win

661
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: this conference. It can happen a week. But that's also

662
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: a kind of team that can lose to a team

663
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: that we're pretty sure is clearly worse than Cincinnati. That's

664
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: the problem with Cincinnati to me right now is don'das

665
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: do l pop? That's it.

666
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: This is going to be year three under Sadurfield. Correct

667
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: his record so far as eight and sixteen, he went

668
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: five and seven a year ago, Vegas has the win

669
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: total at six and a half. I get the sense

670
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: again from reading all this stuff that there is palpable

671
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: frustration here. This was a team that was winning nine

672
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: games a year with Luke Fickle, went to the playoff

673
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: with Luke Fickle. So I think it's fair to wonder

674
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: if six wins, if that's what it ends up being,

675
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: is enough progress to cool the hot seat. I don't

676
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: know the answer to that. We have Cincinnati fans who

677
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: listen way in. Let me know Solidverbo atgmail dot com.

678
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: But that's a really interesting situation.

679
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: College fans being increasingly frustrated with Scott Sadderfield is something

680
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: that I feel like I've written down seven straight years.

681
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: I don't even know how many years. It's also a

682
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: program that you know, bouncing around conferences. But you would think,

683
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: given location, given the wide open nature of their current

684
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: major conference, that Cincinnati would be as well positioned as

685
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: anybody as a program that wins with a bunch of

686
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: different coaches. I guess, short of Scott Saderfield and Tommy

687
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: Tupperville that this is just a winning program and now

688
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: with more resources and more attention, it can only help things.

689
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: The first you know, non power conference team to go

690
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: to the college football playoff, and it just feels like

691
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: they're in a little bit too much mud.

692
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: Still, if I've got Cincinnati ninth, I've got BYU tenth,

693
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: and I share your uncertainty with BYU.

694
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how anybody could be certain of

695
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: BYU right now. It's a Utah State transfer from a

696
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: couple of years ago coming in who appeared to be

697
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: the backup heading into the season, and because of the defense,

698
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: because of the returning quantities on offense, BYU seems like

699
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: a program that has the highest upside to move up

700
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: because everybody's kind of putting him in the middle of

701
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: the conference right now because we don't know what we're

702
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 2: going to get out of this offense. It's specifically at quarterback,

703
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: and so if you don't know that right now, it's

704
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 2: hard to feel super confident in mid July.

705
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: So Jake Rehetzlif amid well, you can go and read

706
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: what's going on with Jake Retzlaf, sure, but amid honor

707
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: code violations and a civil lawsuit and all sorts of

708
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: stuff going down there, he has withdrawn from school and

709
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: he is now I guess actively shopping himself out there

710
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: to other teams. Our friend John Kurtz, who was on

711
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: the show, writes an open for business newsletter, said that

712
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State might have some interest in Reds left they should,

713
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: West Virginia might have some interest in So there's a

714
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: chance we will see him elsewhere in the Big twelve,

715
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: but at time of recording, we don't know if that's

716
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: going to come to fruition or not. I tend to

717
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: trust in Kialani Sataki, and the reason that I trust

718
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: in him is because I didn't trust in him a

719
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and he proved me wrong. Not

720
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: that he needed to prove anything to me. I remember

721
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: reading preview publications and everybody was high on Kilanie Sataki

722
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: as a coach. This is a guy who's going to

723
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: figure it out. This is the guy who knows what

724
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: he's doing. And at the time, I said, why, why,

725
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: why is anybody giving him the benefit of the doubt.

726
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: He's proven to be a really good coach since and

727
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't know how he handles this thing with the

728
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: quarterback leaving the team so late in the game. I

729
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: don't know how he handles it with so much new

730
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: in the secondary. I think it's tough to be high

731
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: on BYU given what's new out there, but I also

732
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: don't expect this to be a total disaster of a season.

733
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: Like if we come back to this conversation six months

734
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: from now and we're talking about a seven and five

735
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: or an eight and four BYU team, that is not

736
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: what I'm expecting. But if that's the way that this

737
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: thing goes, I just want everybody to have expected it,

738
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: because Kilani Sataki finds a way to weather these storms.

739
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: The important thing, too, is there if you're talking about

740
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: a wide open conference, you're generally talking about a lot

741
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: of teams who have a bunch of answers on offense

742
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: and a bunch of quests or not offense on one

743
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: side of the ball and a bunch of questions on

744
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: the other side of the ball. Last season in the

745
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: Big Twelve, only one team finished in the top forty

746
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: of points per drive scored and points per drive allowed.

747
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: That's BYU. That means it's a roster. That means it's

748
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: good coaching. That means it's finishing games. That means it's

749
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: creativity on offense. He's you know, had to shuffle through

750
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: coordinators and Kalani Sataki has found answers and he built

751
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: the most over the course of the season. Obviously, they

752
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: didn't beat ASU and that cost him a trip to

753
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 2: the Big twelve Championship game. But he built the most

754
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: complete full season team of twenty twenty four. And that's

755
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: something you talk about Chopped coaches, correct. I think Kilanie

756
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: Sataki is very much a chops as in the show Chopped.

757
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: You give him a bunch of ingredients, he'll figure it out.

758
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to figure out a way to make

759
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: a delicious dish out of this. I don't know how,

760
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: but he's going.

761
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: To do it.

762
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

763
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: I've got Byu in here tenth. Not super high on

764
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: BYU given circumstances, but again I put them in kind

765
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: of my meaty middle tier yep. And the last one

766
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: at the very bottom of this tier. For me, I've

767
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: got Houston. I'm higher on Houston than I expected.

768
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: I may lose a lot, but okay.

769
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: Upgrade at quarterback. Connor Wigman comes over from Texas A

770
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: and M, and honestly, it's just everything you read about

771
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: Houston screams. Willie Fritz knows what the hell he's doing.

772
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: He's a great year two coach.

773
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, screams that there is a plan that they are

774
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: being deliberate with how they use the transfer portal. There's

775
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: not really any panic. It's just a guy who knows

776
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: his craft and it's very calm. It may not pop yet,

777
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: but they are just making slow, methodical upgrades in many

778
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: cases through the portal, and it's going to be an

779
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: improvement over what we saw last season. Don't be surprised

780
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: if Houston takes somebody big down. Don't be surprised at all,

781
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: because this is a team that played with fight. They

782
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: didn't have the record, but I think slowly but surely

783
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: Willie Fritz is going to find a way to make

784
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: them better. So I've got them at the bottom of

785
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: my middle tier.

786
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only concern is if you're going to say,

787
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: like I don't have faith that Jalen Daniels is going

788
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: to be healthy. In what world can you have faith

789
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: that Connor Wegman is going to be behind a patchwork

790
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: offensive line, And so you're basically you get three and

791
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: a half five and a half games Connor Wegman and

792
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: then if it doesn't work out physically, it's back to

793
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: Xeon Chris. That's I guess that's why you don't have

794
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: him in your first tier. All the losses and the

795
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: patchwork elements of this roster. But yes, the best of

796
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: Connor Wegman is interesting. I like a couple of these receivers.

797
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: But I'm with you. You got to pick somebody to

798
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: be a sleeper, and you're speaking with your chest. I

799
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: appreciate it now.

800
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: I did go through phonetic spellings for a lot of

801
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: these guys. Okay, I believe it is Wigman Wigman, and

802
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: that pains me because you know, I'm a Wegman's guy.

803
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: I know.

804
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: So you're talking about like wigg would be.

805
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: How w I have it written here? W ig First off,

806
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: he spells Connor with an E instead of an O, yeah,

807
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: which is weird. Secondly, it is spelled w E I

808
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: G M A N. And it's pronounced Wigman like he's

809
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: working a whig.

810
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: Hey, it's his name. He can pronounce it however you want,

811
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: do whatever you want.

812
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: I listen. I'm not criticizing. I'm just saying for the

813
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: people out there who see this Wigman fair enough. I've

814
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: got a tier in here with just one team, and

815
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: I hope people don't take offense to the title of

816
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: this tier. I'm ready to listen, but I frankly didn't

817
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: know what else to call it. I'm calling this tier

818
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: Jesus take the Wheel, okay, and the only team in

819
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: it is Oklahoma State.

820
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State ahead of Colorado.

821
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

822
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 2: Explain.

823
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: I can't call it a rebuild because it's not really

824
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: a rebuild. But we've got two new coordinators, a ton

825
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: of transfers, questions literally at every position. Mike Gundy coming

826
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: off of what sounded as if a very tumultuous off

827
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: season in which they almost got rid of him. He

828
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: had to take a million dollar pay cut. He took

829
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: the pay cut. Now he's using the portal. It feels

830
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: like there is a lot of let's say, motion to

831
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: create emotion, not necessarily sold on what they're doing on defense.

832
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: There is just so much upheaval and so much going

833
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: down that it can't help but feel, at least to me,

834
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of desperation here of just trying

835
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: to do a million things that wants to make the

836
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: whole thing better, and I don't know if any of

837
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: it will.

838
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: It's hard to see after these last couple of seasons

839
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: or I guess last year.

840
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is just a lot of stuff going on,

841
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: kicking up dust, Mike Gundy throwing up his hands. We'll

842
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: see what happens.

843
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 2: So two of the past three seasons have been catastrophic

844
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 2: for Oklahoma States. They replace basically all of their offense

845
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 2: and I think basically all of their defense this year, right,

846
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: Do I have that right?

847
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I'm looking at it right now.

848
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: And so there's a lot of chaos and stillwater. Will

849
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: he won't he stay? Regarding Mike Gundy? And who do

850
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: you bring in to steady the ship on defense? Todd Grantham, Okay,

851
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 2: all right, yeah.

852
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: I jotted down here to quote the wise prophet Cosmo Kramer.

853
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: Sweet fancy on that, Todd Grantham, higher, Yeah, forty one transfers,

854
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: forty one transfers. I look at this roster. I'm reminded

855
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: of the quote from Major League quote. Who are these

856
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: FN guys? So many quotes this episode. You're really in

857
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: your bag. I like it. I really went deep with

858
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: the Big twelve.

859
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 2: Okay, who are these guys? I think mostly UTEP players.

860
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: If I had to guess, UTAP also lost like forty

861
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: guys does everybody in this conference have at least one

862
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: UTEP transfer. Yes, there are minors spread throughout this conference.

863
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: That's m I n eers. Let's be clear. Yeah, it's

864
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 2: tough to see. I can't squint and see much good

865
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: happening in still Water this year. It's just it doesn't

866
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: seem like the recipe for a bounce back year. I

867
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: mean for a lot of these teams. I guess after

868
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: in that like that's Cincinnati BYU Zone as soon as

869
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: we start lumping in UCF, Arizona, West Virginia, Oklaho home

870
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: of state, and maybe Colorado. Though it's a little bit

871
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: easier with Colorado to squint because the step forward they

872
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: took on defense whole offense is basically new for Colorado.

873
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: But I just lump those in. I think those are

874
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 2: just your snakes, man, They're gonna come out of the

875
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: toilet at some point. Those are just the snakes residing

876
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: in residential plumbing that you're probably not gonna see them

877
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 2: a bunch doing all that scary a saturday. But occasionally

878
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: they're gonna, you know, they'll slither out and take a

879
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: big old bite out of something hanging down. It's just

880
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: I don't see a ceiling beyond that for a lot

881
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: of these.

882
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: Every time I sit, yep, I think of a snake

883
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: in the toilet.

884
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: Of course, how could you not.

885
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: I feel like we have caused undo, mental damage, mental trauma.

886
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: You know, the big thing we should be doing is

887
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: if we're going to introduce the concept of a snake

888
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: in the toilet, we should also introduce a service that

889
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: desnakeifies residential plumbing desnakeify dot com.

890
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: Buy it desnakeify dot com. You know the rule in movies,

891
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: by the way, if you if you ever say a

892
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: r l out loud or show it, you have to

893
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: buy it before the movie comes out. Yeah, all right, continue?

894
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: Uh so, Yeah, I've got Mike Gundy in the car,

895
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: hands up, screaming, hair blowing in the breeze. Hope we

896
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: don't crash. See what happens? Right, one last hurrah? That's

897
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: how it felt, mailing in the wind. Yeah, Jesus take

898
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: the wheel. I've got Colorado. Next, he talked about Colorado

899
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: there for a second. I've got four teams at the bottom. Yeah,

900
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: I've got Colorado. I've got West Virginia, I've got UCF,

901
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: and I've got areas.

902
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: And you have Oklahoma State ahead just because of track record.

903
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: Just because of track record. Yeah, and I felt weird

904
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: about that because usually I don't subscribe to that the

905
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: way that many of the preview publications do. He's legitimately

906
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: a very good coach. Very good coach, Yeah, incredible coach,

907
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: and he's been there for a long time. There is

908
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: also this thing with Gundhy when just kind of like,

909
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: when you count him out, he finds a way to

910
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: make it work, which again I went to a roster

911
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: with that, though I know I hate leaning on that,

912
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: but I'm going to give him benefit of the doubt.

913
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm not picking them the like win the conference. I've

914
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: got him fifth from the bottom or fourth from the bottom,

915
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: fifth from the bottom, eleventh in the conference. But yeah,

916
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Colorado's next up for me? Colorado. I look,

917
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: Colorado's defied expectations for two straight years under Dion. The

918
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: first year was an incredible grand opening with what they

919
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: did against TCU.

920
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I was ready to see where you're gonna go

921
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: with incredible for a four and eight team, but yeah, no.

922
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: It was incredible opening. They were able to build off

923
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: of that. People talked about Colorado maybe the most talked

924
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: about four to eighteen that you, yeah, last season a

925
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: good season. It's like indisputable that it was a good season.

926
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter wins the Heisman, obviously should or provided a

927
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: lot of highlights. Both are gone now, Yep, the wide

928
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: receiver room is cleaned out. They're gonna need to lean

929
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more heavily on the defense, new quarterback.

930
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: There's just there's a lot new on offense, with that

931
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: being the strength that was a year ago and now

932
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: basically role reversal, we got to rely on defense. I

933
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: can't go higher than this With Colorado, I.

934
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: Think that's that's reasonable. It's rotation guys at receiver, it's

935
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: another patchwork offensive line. I think Jordan's seatons, I mean,

936
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 2: I know he's still there, the left tackle. He was

937
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: a very good freshman tackle. The defense, especially that secondary,

938
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: was what led the way last year. And there are

939
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: pieces back, but they're another team. We were like, Okay,

940
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: new quarterback, new line, new full time starting receivers. They've

941
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: been a god awful running team. So there's not a

942
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: ton safe to lean on, and so Shador was obviously

943
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 2: good enough to do so much of it on his own,

944
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: you know, paired with Travis Hunter and a good receiving

945
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: corps last year. And just because they're gone doesn't mean

946
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: they can't find new guys. But it just feels like

947
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: there's too much new in the same way that this

948
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: sort of sensation appears for a lot of teams across

949
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: the country. And what are you leaning on that's very

950
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: good right now when you do lose the pieces that

951
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: they lose on defense as well. So I think they're

952
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. I think they're gonna be competitive. I

953
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: just don't think they're gonna be consistent.

954
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: And honestly, that wouldn't be so much of a black eye.

955
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: You know, they're losing two of the all time great

956
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: players in the program. Agree they leaned a lot on

957
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: those guys. Sometimes it takes a minute to try and

958
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: figure out what happens next. I think that's okay. Also,

959
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning, just like I said at the top,

960
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: with the Colorado bit, Colorado has defied expectations two years

961
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: running in some way, shape or form. It would not

962
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: be a big surprise if they did it again. I

963
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: don't know what that looks like. But if they did

964
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: it again here again, if we're talking about the six

965
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 1: months from now and Colorado ends up being better than expected,

966
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: that would be more of a trend than a bug,

967
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: because it'd be three years in a row.

968
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: The good news, by the way, for Colorado is their

969
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: schedule features a ton of unknowns and half teams and

970
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: opening night is opening night against it's Georgia Tech. But

971
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 2: that's at home. Yes, I believe the Colorado game. There's

972
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: not a lot of proven good teams until the end

973
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: of the year for Colorado, so they might have some

974
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: space to figure things out.

975
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: I've got West Virginia and UCF in a rebuilding tier.

976
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: Say it's a full on rebuild for Rich Rody, switching schemes,

977
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: new coordinators, new I mean new roster.

978
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

979
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: UCF is in the same boat, and there is uncertainty

980
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: pretty much everywhere on offense. Did you see Scott Frost's

981
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: quote at media Day? You didn't see this?

982
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: Oh about Nebraska?

983
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Ah, what a quote?

984
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: Got to pick better jobs? Yeah, I don't want to

985
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: go was pressured into it. That's what you want from

986
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: your head coach, just immediate, no accountability. Yeah, that's what

987
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: you want.

988
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: I saw that. My jaw dropped when I saw I'm

989
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: sure it'll go great. My jaw dropped in.

990
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: I understand. I think the message he was sending and

991
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: the manner he was sending it were two very different things.

992
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: I think the message he wanted to send was man,

993
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how good I had it here. I

994
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: couldn't make it work in Nebraska, and that's on me.

995
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: But I think UCF is a lot more special than

996
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: I really gave it credit for when I decided to leave.

997
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: Or that's why leaving was so difficult, because I found

998
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: UCF to be so special, and Nebraska is special to

999
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: me in its own way. Sure, but I think I'm

1000
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 2: more cut out to be a UCF coach. And that's fine.

1001
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: That's not what came out. No, that's and that's okay.

1002
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: You know what he did not rehearse before he gave

1003
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: that answer.

1004
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: Let me also be clear, if that's how he honestly feels,

1005
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: and you can take a very clear exception to it.

1006
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: But if that's how he feels, I appreciate honesty. Sure, Okay,

1007
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: that's all.

1008
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: I've got UCF here, one from the bottom, and then

1009
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: I've got Arizona at the very bottom.

1010
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: You have Arizona after West Virginia and UCF I think

1011
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: this is a hot mess. It's a hot mess. Well, okay,

1012
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: so there's a bunch of new players everywhere. They hired,

1013
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 2: in my opinion, a much better and much more proven

1014
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator in Danny Gonzalez. Right, he's taking over his

1015
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: three three five for Duyna Kina, who is going back

1016
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: to Texas. I believe yep, no fa Fida loses. The

1017
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: best wide receiver in program history is Setdeggy guy.

1018
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: He likes Set Daggy.

1019
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: He's making the rounds. He is making the rounds in

1020
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: this sport.

1021
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: Did you say on slack collecting team Merch?

1022
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a Merch all star. Five five schools in

1023
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: five years, I think is the number right now. It's

1024
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: still not quite Brendan Marion, who's like seven or eight

1025
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 2: schools in light or nine years, who's now at sax State.

1026
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 2: A lot of buzz around sax State, by the way. Yeah,

1027
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know if I'm a huge Set

1028
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: DGGA guy, but I can appreciate an improvement from year

1029
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: one to year two. Unfortunately, with as much going out

1030
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: and coming in with Arizona, it doesn't feel like they're

1031
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 2: on the most solid of ground, So I'm with you

1032
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 2: in terms of like, they definitely qualify as a snake team.

1033
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: To me, we heard from multiple people last year that

1034
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: there were active conversations about whether or not they were

1035
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: going to retain Brent Brennan. Right, obviously they did. They invested,

1036
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: I guess something into their nil instead of buying him out.

1037
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: But there was sort of this sense that he was

1038
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: in over his head. Yes, I liked him at his

1039
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: previous style. I liked them at San Jos at times. Yeah,

1040
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: but there was definitely a growing sense that this guy's

1041
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: not going to be able to get it done, but

1042
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: he's getting another year here. Just does not feel like

1043
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: a good situation to me. Does not feel like a

1044
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: good situation. To me, I'm more of a skeptic this

1045
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: year than it was last year. You've got to be

1046
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: a full on escape artist to avoid the wrath when

1047
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: year zero essentially occurs in year two, which is what

1048
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: it feels like for me this year with Arizona, it

1049
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: just feels like a total reboot.

1050
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: So the schedule isn't like horrific for Arizona, whatever that

1051
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 2: means to you. They have Kansas State at home. Iowa

1052
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: stayed on the road BYU is at home. Colorado's on

1053
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 2: the road.

1054
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Baylor's on this thing. They're at Arizona for

1055
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: the time at Oorial Cup, Kansas is I mean, but

1056
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: we have no idea if.

1057
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: This is a tough schedule or not. As I say this, no,

1058
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: we don't.

1059
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: You're right about that. I mean, nobody knows anything in

1060
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: the Big twelve.

1061
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: We're also not that far off, Like a year and

1062
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: a half ago, you'd have to go further than a

1063
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: year from Noah Fafida being one of the more encouraging

1064
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: young quarterbacks in the nation. That was under a different coach,

1065
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: different offensive coordinator, throwing at different receivers protected by a

1066
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: different offensive line. But in terms of talent, there is

1067
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 2: talent there at quarterback. He just had a down year

1068
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: and saw so many ghosts last year and year one

1069
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 2: of Brent Brennan.

1070
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1071
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: He took him out of games and it was unfortunate

1072
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: to see.

1073
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: If you read some of the preview publications. I'll throw

1074
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: Phil Steele out there, because I know he was talking

1075
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: about this in in his write up. Right, Phil Steele

1076
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: does a good job. Tends to take the most optimistic view,

1077
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: which actually is a breath of fresh air. Frankly, he

1078
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: tends to think, well, no, feat is just going to

1079
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: snap back to his previous form. Yeah, that's it was

1080
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: an aberration. It was a one off last year. We

1081
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: can't assume that that's going to continue. Well maybe it

1082
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: well maybe it will. You lose, as you said, your

1083
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: best receiver program history. Who also was I think a

1084
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: close friend of his.

1085
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, they played in high school together.

1086
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: You know that that tends to leave a mark. So

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00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: I am not at all optimistic about Arizona. I've got

1088
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: on bottom of the pack. Okay, So here's the way

1089
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: this thing shakes out for me. Let me go through

1090
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: my one more time than I want you to do

1091
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: the same, just because we have a little bit of

1092
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,959
Speaker 1: a disparity here. I've got in this order k State,

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00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: Iowa State, Arizona State as my top three, Baylor, Texas Tech, Utah.

1094
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: So are those three teams in a different tier than

1095
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 2: your top three?

1096
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: They're all in the same tier.

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00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is the top six. So you just

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00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: broke that's right, part one and part two of your

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00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: top six.

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00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: And then after that we've got TCU seven, Kansas eight,

1101
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: Cincinnati nine, BYU ten, Houston eleven, Oklahoma State twelve, Colorado thirteen,

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00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: and then West Virginia, UCF, and Arizona in that order.

1103
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I have Arizona State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Iowa

1104
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: State space Yeah, right, Baylor, Utah, TCU space. I'm gonna

1105
00:57:53,840 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: put Kansas, Colorado, and BYU in that next area space space,

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00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: and then I have just snakes. So my snakes are Houston, Cincinnati,

1107
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State, West Virginia, Arizona, UCF. Okay space space.

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00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, there, tiers of the Kingdom, Tiers of the Kingdom.

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00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: Those are my tiers.

1110
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: So is that then to assume that you've got Arizona

1111
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: State over Case State in the title.

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00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: Game, I've got Arizona State over k State in the

1113
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 2: title game. Yes, repeating as Big twelve champs Case State

1114
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: with offensive firepower, with my assumption that the combination of

1115
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: Avery Johnson and Matt Wells is going to be fruitful

1116
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 2: for the Cats, that the offensive line with a bunch

1117
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: of transfers will come together, if I'm gonna you know,

1118
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: I still don't love where they're at in terms of

1119
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: proven guys on all three levels of the defense and

1120
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 2: the issues that the defense had last year. But if

1121
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: you're starting point is a promising, talented quarterback, good skill

1122
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: position dudes, and a winning coach and Chris Cleman, I

1123
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: think they're right there. Yeah. My issue is my answer

1124
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: with Cliss Cleman is that he always seems to be

1125
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: good but not great. Yeah, like he's just a good

1126
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: coach who doesn't play for Big Twelve championships all that often. Yeah.

1127
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: I think you can be a good team though and

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00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: win this conference. You don't have to be a great team.

1129
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: And he's won this conference before. You don't need to

1130
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: be a great team to win the Big Twelve. And

1131
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: again I say that not to try and dunk on

1132
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. I love this conference. This conference is

1133
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: beautiful with a capital B. But there is a lot

1134
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: of parody, let's say, in the upper half of the conference.

1135
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean, frankly, if you wanted to, if you wanted

1136
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: to be very optimistic, you could find a way to

1137
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: put TCU in your contender tier. They're going to have

1138
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: a really good offense, they've got one of the better

1139
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league.

1140
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: They finished last year so quietly strong. Oh yeah, we're

1141
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: almost doing a disservice not putting them in our top tier.

1142
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: I agree, I absolutely agree, and.

1143
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: I imagine there's a decent chance I will regret not

1144
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: doing it come you know, mid October.

1145
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: But so there are a lot of good teams. I

1146
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: think we are going to wait and see to find

1147
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 1: out if any of them prove to be great. Yep,

1148
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: I've got k stated over Iowa State. Oh no, ASU, No, No,

1149
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: Texas Tech No, okay no. I like Baylor. I understand

1150
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: the path for them to get into that game. I

1151
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: like Texas Tech not as much as I like Baylor,

1152
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: but I also understand the path for them to get

1153
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: into that game. Arizona State. To me, what's holding me

1154
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: back is the Camp Scataboo thing.

1155
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not that you're really that worried.

1156
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: I am.

1157
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: You think he's that irreplaceable.

1158
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 1: I think he's irreplaceable, And I also don't I don't

1159
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: think you can assume that Sam le It is going

1160
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: to progress linearly, you know it, like especially now losing Scataboo. Yeah,

1161
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's fair to assume that he's

1162
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: just automatically going to get better.

1163
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: I mean, ASU is basically without their number one receiver,

1164
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: a miss targeting call away from ending up. I know,

1165
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: the College Football sat Collegebale playoff semi finals and beating Texas.

1166
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: I get it.

1167
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 2: On a quote unquote neutral site, I get it. Okay,

1168
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: I get it.

1169
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm just the Skataboo thing is spooking me out here.

1170
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: Is there anybody in this conference you'd rather have calling

1171
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: your offense than Kenny Dillingham? No, I mean it's Kenny

1172
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: Dillingham and Marcus Arroyo. But the creativity, because replacing camp

1173
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: Scataboo isn't finding the next Camp Scataboo, it's finding the

1174
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: next person to just find the same or comparable amount

1175
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 2: of grass as Cam Scataboo. However you find the grass

1176
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: is your choice. Camp Scataboo found it. Run through spleens,

1177
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: but you could be faster. You can run around, you

1178
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: can run over it, you can run above whatever. So

1179
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: that's why I'm not as worried that they have a

1180
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 2: creatively minded coach, creative minded coach and running backs on

1181
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: this roster. I think they'll be all right.

1182
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: There's a strong possibility that we're going to have like

1183
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: a four way tie a top this absolutely yes, you know,

1184
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: I think we're foolish to assume that there's any kind

1185
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: of clear cut one and two in whatever your contender

1186
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: tier looks like, it may look different than Dans or mine, like,

1187
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: you can write into the email address or to anywhere

1188
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: we're on social media and let us know what your

1189
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: tiers look like in the Big twelve. But I think

1190
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: it's a near certainty that we're going to see some

1191
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: sort of tie breaker situation here with this conference, just

1192
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: because it feels like the margin between the top and

1193
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: the middle is so thin, if it exists at all.

1194
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: But for me, it's the scataboo thing. It's a scataboo thing.

1195
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: And also the turnover look thing, which again, I know

1196
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: that this is a really strong culture that Kenny Dillingham

1197
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: is building, and I know that some of those stats

1198
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: tend to reflect effort more than anything else. I'm just

1199
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: not there. I'm not there. It wouldn't surprise me if

1200
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: they want it, don't hedge, it wouldn't surprise me.

1201
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: But no, I'm not picking it. I'm not picked Okay, okay,

1202
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: fair enough, I'm not picking it.

1203
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: And I did go back and forth between K State

1204
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: and Iowa State, but I'm gonna stick with K State.

1205
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: I just think it's a really good schedule. I like

1206
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: Avery Johnson, I like Dylan Edwards, I like Matt Wells,

1207
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: and I like their Front seven.

1208
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 2: And you like your wife who's currently playing Zelda.

1209
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: I like my wife. Where's this at tears in it?

1210
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 2: Is she good at Zelda? Is Zelda a priority game

1211
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: for a gamer like herself?

1212
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: A priority game? I think?

1213
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 3: So?

1214
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually plays Zelda more than other games. Okay, see

1215
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: she does the state. It's one of those open world games,

1216
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: but there's like a million things to conquer. If you

1217
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: want to, you can beat the game, but then you

1218
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: can continue playing afterwards. Sure, I don't know if that's

1219
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: where she is at with this one. I have not

1220
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: gotten the recent update from her, but she was of

1221
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: the mind that she just wanted to go and conquer

1222
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: like all of the little mini challenges within this ginormous

1223
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: world of the video game. Okay, so she basically was

1224
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: playing it for like two and a half years.

1225
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 2: Solid, wife Kate conquering Zelda challenges, the big twelve tiers

1226
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: of the Kingdom.

1227
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: Now in the books, all right, I've got k State

1228
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: over Iowa State. You've got Arizona State over k State. Yep,

1229
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: let us know what you have by writing in solid

1230
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: verbal at gmail dot com, or of course you can

1231
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: find us out on social media. Would love to hear

1232
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: from you.

1233
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 2: Be nice.

1234
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: But if you want to call us an idiot or

1235
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: a clown or not doing our research, we've already gotten

1236
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: those comments. It's fine.

1237
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 2: Hold on, but you can text tie too. Six one out.

1238
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 2: What's the number? Give it out real slowly? No, okay,

1239
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: it is six to one. Oh though, right, that'll narrow

1240
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: it down.

1241
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: Six one, I've got they got a sign behind me.

1242
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: Six. There you go.

1243
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: Why don't we leave it there? As always, feedback is appreciated, yes,

1244
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: if not required. As part of being in the verballer hood,

1245
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,040
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1246
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,240
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1247
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1249
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, any sourdough thoughts, by the way, I'll take those

1250
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 2: two were right. We're squarely in the middle of bulk fermentation.

1251
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: You still have the bread yips. No, they've been better.

1252
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 2: They haven't been baking Frisbees lately, which has been nice.

1253
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 2: The bread has been tasty. It's a stiffer starter for

1254
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: this fermentation tie. A little less water in the starter, Okay,

1255
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 2: I did a little bassonage. Yeah, so that's adding water

1256
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: different stages of the domax. I'm feeling really good about

1257
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: a strong, dependable, soured.

1258
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: O'bake tomorrow morning, stiff stiff starter.

1259
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1260
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: Well, I hope the bread turns out and is everything

1261
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: you ever wanted it to be.

1262
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 2: I hope so too.

1263
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you're able to bring a little bit

1264
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: of sour dough to this here big twelve conference.

1265
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: I bring that funk, ty, you know me.

1266
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: We will be back on our next episode and we're

1267
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: going to talk through half of the conference.

1268
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 2: More in depth team talk.

1269
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, more in depth team previews, just like we did

1270
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: with the ACC on the last two episodes. You're just

1271
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait and see which eight teams we select. Okay,

1272
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: that's true. Let's leave it there.

1273
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: Got gray with that.

1274
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: A little bit of suspense for that guy over there,

1275
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubistein. For myself, Ty Hillebrand, thanks

1276
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: for tuning in, Thanks for joining us here. Hope to

1277
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: see you on the next episode. In the meantime, As always,

1278
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: stay solid, peace,