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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,
Speaker 1: there's Chuck. Jerry's here too, across the country. Even, what
Speaker 1: a time to be alive, What a time to be
Speaker 1: alive listening to Stuff you Should Know? Uh? Yes, and
Speaker 1: should we can? We start off with a little shout
Speaker 1: out to our colleagues. Yes, for sure, our buddies that
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Speaker 1: They wrote a book like we did. And we are
Speaker 1: very proud of these guys are colleagues. We've known our
Speaker 1: friends for so long now mm hmm. And what do
Speaker 1: they cover? They cover conspiracies, but not like trust me.
Speaker 1: It's not like this big pro conspiracy thing. No. No,
Speaker 1: they do a lot of um ripping the lid off
Speaker 1: of the crack pots. It's a good way to say
Speaker 1: thank you. Well. What they do is they apply critical
Speaker 1: thought and critical thinking, which is one thing that's missing
Speaker 1: a lot when it comes to conspiracy theories, right exactly,
Speaker 1: because they're all smart dudes and they're pretty down to earth,
Speaker 1: um and they have a great podcast, and now they
Speaker 1: have a great book and it's um an eponymous book.
Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to know is the name
Speaker 1: of the book and the podcast, and I think it
Speaker 1: just published, Chuck. So that means that you can get
Speaker 1: it everywhere. I mean everywhere. You can get it at
Speaker 1: like Eagle Eye Books in Atlanta, you can get it
Speaker 1: at UM, the Corner Shop, Amazon dot com. Uh, you
Speaker 1: can get it everywhere in between the stuff they don't
Speaker 1: want you to know in hardcover because it just came
Speaker 1: out hot off the presses. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: when you pick up this book, you should probably be
Speaker 1: wearing other myths because it is that new. That's right.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get my own copy. If you're
Speaker 1: into history, for into reading about proven conspiracies and uh
Speaker 1: not a bunch of goblody cook then highly recommend. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you can't wait go check it out. Um, so
Speaker 1: we're talking today about fake cities, right, yeah, like rock Ridge,
Speaker 1: rock Ridge, do you get that? No, Oh, it's Blazing Saddles.
Speaker 1: The name of the real town was rock Ridge. But
Speaker 1: they at the end of Blazing Saddles Cleveland Little comes
Speaker 1: up with a g enius plan to build a fake
Speaker 1: rock Ridge for when the bad guys come in and
Speaker 1: then they'll blow it up. So well, that's that's sort
Speaker 1: of kind of what we're talking about today. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say that that, Um mel Brooks like really
Speaker 1: did his research because there's a there's a lot of
Speaker 1: reality in that people have done that kind of thing
Speaker 1: many times over the years, many times, and some are
Speaker 1: cooler than others. For sure. I can't wait to talk
Speaker 1: about the Seattle thing that's really cool. Well, which one
Speaker 1: is not cool? Let's start with that. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know about not cool, but possibly not even didn't even
Speaker 1: really happen. Is in the seventeen hundreds there was a Russian,
Speaker 1: very famous Russian military leader named Gregory Timken because he's Russian.
Speaker 1: It's not Gregory, right, it's Gregory with an eye. I
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of that anymore, hey, greg Although
Speaker 1: it did have a friend in high school. His last
Speaker 1: name was Griggs though, all right, I take that back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's way different. But supposedly, as the story goes, they
Speaker 1: built under his guidance what we're called, um what was
Speaker 1: called a Potemkin village in order to impress Empress Catherine
Speaker 1: the Second as she came through town and like, here,
Speaker 1: look at this great fake town that she would think
Speaker 1: is real. And then they would supposedly strike the set
Speaker 1: and then go build it down river, and then she
Speaker 1: would see and I guess believe it was a different
Speaker 1: place and like, look, how great we're doing kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But then I believe, after more digging, historians have said,
Speaker 1: I don't think they actually did that. It was probably
Speaker 1: more of a let's get this place all cleaned up
Speaker 1: for her visit, and somehow history kind of changed that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is I mean, I buy that he was one
Speaker 1: of Catherine the great favorites of the court, so um,
Speaker 1: it's possible that he would have gone to all that
Speaker 1: trouble to please her. Um. Regardless of whether it happened
Speaker 1: or not. Potemkin Village is now like a whole term
Speaker 1: for any kind of fake facade that's used generally as
Speaker 1: some sort of propaganda. The fact that it was kind
Speaker 1: of like Catherine the Great um centric kind of leads
Speaker 1: to that that extension of government propaganda. And and there's
Speaker 1: a very famous North Korean village that's frequently referred to
Speaker 1: as a Pattempkan village to yeah, the peace village. How
Speaker 1: are you going to pronounce that North Korean name? I'm
Speaker 1: going to pronounce it as such Jong Dong. I think
Speaker 1: that's it. Uh. They also call it propaganda village, while
Speaker 1: they don't call it that, but other people call it that. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know the famous d m Z there the
Speaker 1: Demilitarized Zone, you can you know, you can see this
Speaker 1: very clean, lovely, modern, prosperous area of North Korea right
Speaker 1: there from the d m Z. But you know, as
Speaker 1: far as people speculate, there's really it's kind of just fake.
Speaker 1: There's nothing there. There's no people, there's no nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And if you look like closely at it, there's no
Speaker 1: glass in the windows. Even like it's as far as
Speaker 1: pattemp and villages go. It's a halfhearted effort if you
Speaker 1: ask me. The Nazis did this too in World War
Speaker 1: Two too, you know, disgusting effect as well. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did an altered version of it. They took a
Speaker 1: real village UH and dressed it up in a way
Speaker 1: for that that suited their propaganda needs. But there was
Speaker 1: a place called UH. I think it's thair sheen stopped,
Speaker 1: but that might be wrong. So it was a it
Speaker 1: was a depot essentially, it was a sorting place for
Speaker 1: um Jewish Germans and um Jews from other countries the
Speaker 1: Germany had invaded there were shipped to this place and
Speaker 1: then they were sorted out and basically sent to different
Speaker 1: death camps around Germany. So so many people passed through
Speaker 1: this that even for the short time they were there,
Speaker 1: conditions were so bad ad that they would um, they
Speaker 1: would die while they were there. Plenty of people died.
Speaker 1: But the this thing was such a focal point, It
Speaker 1: was such a crux of this Nazi death machine that um,
Speaker 1: if it were you know, revealed for what it actually was,
Speaker 1: the Nazis plans would have been revealed to the world.
Speaker 1: So when the Red Cross said we want to see
Speaker 1: this place that we want to make sure everybody's being
Speaker 1: cared for appropriately. Um, the Nazis kind of started scrambling there,
Speaker 1: like give us two weeks. You know. It's funny as
Speaker 1: I was going to say, give us three weeks. You're
Speaker 1: you're way more aggressive on your schedule than I. Totally,
Speaker 1: that's very appropriate. Uh yeah, you know, they cleaned it up.
Speaker 1: They brought in apparently rose bushes. They changed the hospital
Speaker 1: to a library. They changed the gymnasium or as you
Speaker 1: would say in Germany, ga nasium into a place of
Speaker 1: prayer for the Jewish people. They shipped out out anyone
Speaker 1: who didn't look well basically, and only people who looked
Speaker 1: healthy and were in good health remain. And you know,
Speaker 1: they put a town square and made it look like
Speaker 1: a really lovely thing with swings and sandboxes and even
Speaker 1: a phony restaurant. And uh, what I didn't see was
Speaker 1: how it worked. It worked perfectly. The Red Cross came
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, this is delightful, and left and
Speaker 1: then everything just got right back to business after that.
Speaker 1: So it served its purpose, Like it fooled the Red
Speaker 1: Cross into going back and telling the rest of the
Speaker 1: world like, no, the Nazis aren't running death camps. Come on,
Speaker 1: everybody relaxed. They've got a restaurant and rose bushes. So
Speaker 1: we know this only because of post World War two history, right. Um.
Speaker 1: The thing that I saw that makes it just just
Speaker 1: the the uey gouey evil topping on this horrible Sunday
Speaker 1: is um. They build it to the rest of the
Speaker 1: world as a spa town that elderly drewman Jews could
Speaker 1: go live in in peace and safely. Just when you
Speaker 1: think you've learned all the bad stuff the Nazis did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: here comes another one. I've never heard of this before. Surprising. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to reiterate, Chuck, I hate Nazis.
Speaker 1: I hate Nazis of today. I hate the Nazis back then.
Speaker 1: If you're a Nazi, I hate your guts. You can't
Speaker 1: stand you. You're You're terrible. You're on record. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I'm on record too, So I feel like Chuck, Um,
Speaker 1: you can kind of swing the whole thing back around.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily for propaganda, but um, there's there's decoy
Speaker 1: cities that were essentially created to um well to to
Speaker 1: act as decoys during wartime. Right yeah, and this was
Speaker 1: I think this was the initial seat of the idea
Speaker 1: for this topic. Maybe I don't think anyone said anything
Speaker 1: in or maybe they did. But the more I started
Speaker 1: kind of poking around, I was like, wow, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of times in history where for one reason
Speaker 1: or another, a fake city was built old and once
Speaker 1: I started sort of unpeeling that onion, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: there there's been all kinds of fake cities, and decoy
Speaker 1: cities was a big part of it in World War Two, uh,
Speaker 1: specifically in Britain what they did at first, it started
Speaker 1: out as something called a que site, which is when
Speaker 1: they just said, hey, let's put up like a fake
Speaker 1: factory or something that will divert uh. The German bombs
Speaker 1: that way and they'll waste some ordinances and they'll we'll
Speaker 1: get them off track and confuse them, and more importantly,
Speaker 1: they won't be bombing the real factories. Uh. And this
Speaker 1: was I believe the idea of someone named Colonel John Turner.
Speaker 1: And they said, well that bully to that, sir, that
Speaker 1: works so well, why don't you go out and build
Speaker 1: seven fake cities? And he went huh, And they said, hey,
Speaker 1: it only has to look like a city from a
Speaker 1: guy throwing a bomb out of a plane, so you
Speaker 1: don't have to get too fancy. Yeah, that was like
Speaker 1: a stroke of genius when they figured out, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't. You can just do like the rough edges
Speaker 1: of it, because they remembered that they were hiding from
Speaker 1: bombardiers who were looking for cities that were undergoing blackouts,
Speaker 1: so that you know, there wasn't supposed to be much
Speaker 1: of the city visible at all. They would look for
Speaker 1: maybe somebody had left their door open accidentally, or someone
Speaker 1: had forgot to extinguish a street light, something like that.
Speaker 1: So they were able to just kind of make a
Speaker 1: few structures, put some scaffolding together, and then light it
Speaker 1: randomly here there, um, and all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: had the impression of, at least from you know, ten
Speaker 1: thousand feet or however high up you are when you
Speaker 1: drop bombs on British cities, um, that it looked like
Speaker 1: there's your target right there. And it actually worked to
Speaker 1: great success. It really did work, and they ended up
Speaker 1: being I believe the first site was called Starfish and
Speaker 1: so they ended up calling them Starfish Cities just from
Speaker 1: that first one. But initially they were called special fire
Speaker 1: sits or s f sites, And part of that had
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that after the bombing run
Speaker 1: would go through, they would go through and set little
Speaker 1: fires and set off a little explosions on their little
Speaker 1: fake scaffolded city. Uh so again, so the bombardier would
Speaker 1: look down and say, we got them. Look at that.
Speaker 1: Look at that beautiful, big firetown there. Yeah. And even
Speaker 1: more to the point, successive bombardiers that came the next
Speaker 1: night or whatever would be like, oh, that was the target.
Speaker 1: They hit it, and now that's where I'm gonna drop
Speaker 1: my bombs too. Beautiful. Yeah, it really was. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing though, you said they actually worked, uh and
Speaker 1: I bailed on you, but I'm back with numbers. They
Speaker 1: built two hundred and thirty seven of these uh starfish
Speaker 1: sites or starfish cities, and I think the estimates are
Speaker 1: they diverted about seven hundred bombing raids and potentially saved
Speaker 1: about three thousand lives. Pretty great, big success. So um as, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was extraordinarily successful. But the British weren't the first
Speaker 1: um to come up with this idea and leave on
Speaker 1: little wasn't even the first to come up with it.
Speaker 1: It was actually our friends, um Leigh Francais uh in Paris.
Speaker 1: They decided in World War One that they were sufficiently
Speaker 1: concerned about German zeppelin bombing raids, which has got to
Speaker 1: be the slowest most just you know, terrible bombing well
Speaker 1: probably not terrible, but definitely the slowest bombing um around.
Speaker 1: So they said, we need to we need to find
Speaker 1: a different site and build a replica of Paris. And
Speaker 1: the whole idea was to like really rebuild a replica
Speaker 1: of Paris with the champsi Lisse and the Arc de
Speaker 1: Triomphe and um, like you don't I don't know if
Speaker 1: they had plans for an Eiffel Tower. Surely they did,
Speaker 1: but um they had it in three sections, and the
Speaker 1: first section they worked on was the industrial section, and
Speaker 1: eventually that that came to be the only one that
Speaker 1: was completed. But it sounded like it was pretty amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they had they were I would love to
Speaker 1: see pictures of this thing. Did you see pictures? It's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. I mean, how how to scale was it?
Speaker 1: It was giant, so they made it life size, but
Speaker 1: they used you know, um Chinsey materials, so they used
Speaker 1: like really kind of you know scaffolding like a skeleton
Speaker 1: of a giant building like that would serve as a
Speaker 1: like a fake industrial building. And then they would put
Speaker 1: some sort of like um opaque canvas over it or
Speaker 1: an opaque covering up subsort, and then light it from inside,
Speaker 1: so to a bombar deer, it looked like a glass
Speaker 1: ceiling industrial UM building at night. So they were doing
Speaker 1: stuff like that. They had UM they had like a
Speaker 1: little platforms that moved along that were carrying lamps, so
Speaker 1: it looked like trains moving around the area. Uh. They
Speaker 1: did it to to really great effect. UM. And apparently
Speaker 1: the only reason they didn't move on with the rest
Speaker 1: of the plan was because the French military got good
Speaker 1: enough at UM shooting down zeppelin's that the Zeppelin attack stopped.
Speaker 1: The Germans were like, you should probably figure out something
Speaker 1: faster than a zeppelin to to drop bombs from. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the difference is like, why are we building these fake cities.
Speaker 1: Look how slow that thing is. Somebody just shoot a
Speaker 1: flaming arrow that way, Yeah exactly. We can all just
Speaker 1: move to the left at our leisure and we'll all
Speaker 1: be all right. Well, all of this it's funny. Um
Speaker 1: ed helped us out with this one, and he kind
Speaker 1: of started out with a section that we're not going
Speaker 1: to cover about, like movie backlots. But I'm sure all
Speaker 1: of this stuff, I mean, in World War two and
Speaker 1: beyond was influenced by the fact that they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, we're making movies now where we build
Speaker 1: fake cities. It's a great effect. Like it ain't that hard,
Speaker 1: right exactly. I mean, it's just I guess it's it
Speaker 1: must just be one of those ideas that's out there
Speaker 1: where it's like, we needed a new city, but we
Speaker 1: don't want to build a whole new city, so let's
Speaker 1: just build a part of a city, just enough to
Speaker 1: kind of fool people from a distance. Yeah, the whole
Speaker 1: backlock thing, bat backlot thing is pretty. It's pretty. It's
Speaker 1: got its own interesting um story itself. The thing is is,
Speaker 1: if you stop and think about it, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they had a they had a fake barbershop there. Oh,
Speaker 1: they had a fake Victorian mansion there. It's like, if
Speaker 1: you really step back and think about it, you're like,
Speaker 1: who cares? But for some reason, there's something really engrossing
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff. Oh I love it, alright,
Speaker 1: So that's a good set up there. You ready to
Speaker 1: take a break, I am, Chuck. Let's take a break
Speaker 1: right now, all right, and then we'll talk about Seattle
Speaker 1: stuff you should know, Nash stuff you should know. And
Speaker 1: speaking of Seattle, Chuck, we're gonna be in Seattle. Had
Speaker 1: a feeling you're gonna work a live show promo into this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be in Seattle on February one at the
Speaker 1: More Theater. That's last February. And this is actually happening
Speaker 1: to This isn't something we forgot to edit out, like
Speaker 1: these shows are going on come hell or high water.
Speaker 1: That's right, We're going to Seattle, to a real city.
Speaker 1: But one of the cooler stories I think in this
Speaker 1: episode is the fake city that Boeing built in Uh.
Speaker 1: This was Boeing was building B seventeen bombers at what
Speaker 1: was called Plant Number two, and that was a very
Speaker 1: dangerous place to work in World War Two and for
Speaker 1: obvious reasons. So they said, all right, here's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do instead of building because what you typically do
Speaker 1: with like a decoy factory or que site or whatever
Speaker 1: is build something, you know, fifteen miles away. And they said,
Speaker 1: why don't we just build, like, build something that looks
Speaker 1: like the real thing. Fifth females away, they said, why
Speaker 1: don't we just shield our real thing by building an
Speaker 1: innocuous faketown on top of the factory. And that's exactly
Speaker 1: what they did they did. Have you seen pictures of this,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is super cool. It's all about what
Speaker 1: it looks like from overhead. So again they didn't need
Speaker 1: to build everything exactly life size and exactly with great material.
Speaker 1: They built cars out of plywood, and the grass was
Speaker 1: like dyed burr lap and stuff like that. The trees
Speaker 1: were these weird kind of surrealist approximation of trees um.
Speaker 1: So when you were walking among this stuff, you're like
Speaker 1: that car is um cut off in half lengthwise, or
Speaker 1: that house is like all it is is like the top,
Speaker 1: you know, third in the roof. It's weird, but from
Speaker 1: overhead it really did a good job disguising it. And
Speaker 1: they would send Boeing workers up there once in a while,
Speaker 1: like hang laundry or sunbathe, or walk along the sidewalks
Speaker 1: and just to give the impression. And I was thinking
Speaker 1: about I'm like, that is a really dangerous thing to
Speaker 1: have your employees do yeah, so like, hey, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna take a smoke break, go up there. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, if the if the building is
Speaker 1: gonna get bombed, whether they're up there in the building,
Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't really matter. So it's more good point,
Speaker 1: no more dangerous than working inside anyway. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: really good point. I didn't think about that. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had, um, I think kind of the more ingenious
Speaker 1: things because obviously they're seeing it built, uh from way
Speaker 1: way high up where the bombers are, it couldn't look
Speaker 1: out of place, like in relation to everything else around it,
Speaker 1: So they couldn't just like stick it down there in
Speaker 1: any old order. They had to align the street grid
Speaker 1: with generally what was going on around them. And it's
Speaker 1: it's really cool. There's a cool website that has a
Speaker 1: lot of really great pictures of like and you know
Speaker 1: it's the time too, so this like super cool lady
Speaker 1: in like standing at the street corner. They got a
Speaker 1: little cheeky with the street signs Burlett Boulevard and Synthetic Street,
Speaker 1: so I think they ended up uh having a little
Speaker 1: fun with it, maybe a little. Somebody thought in the
Speaker 1: middle of World War two to put joke signs up.
Speaker 1: At least, that's pretty great, right. Um. Also, Chuck, I
Speaker 1: heard that those streets were so well lined up you
Speaker 1: could get on in the middle of that fake suburb
Speaker 1: on top of the Boeing building and drive straight through
Speaker 1: all the way to Portland's and then on to San Francisco,
Speaker 1: where we'll be on February two and very nice. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole Boeing thing, Luckily it never worked out. The
Speaker 1: whole reason that they did that was because they were
Speaker 1: on the West Coast in Seattle and they were worried
Speaker 1: about Japanese bombing raids that never happened. Um, obviously, I
Speaker 1: think it's possible. I mean I know that we in
Speaker 1: our book. I think on our chapter about Coma Kaze.
Speaker 1: This is a really book forward episode, isn't it. Um.
Speaker 1: The Japanese Actually there was a battle in the United States,
Speaker 1: but it was in Alaska. So I don't think the
Speaker 1: Japanese ever came to the West Coast, did they. Well no,
Speaker 1: I was just kind of kidding, like I think they
Speaker 1: would have known if there was, you know, a bunch
Speaker 1: of plane circling overhead, and they were just like, we
Speaker 1: just can't find where it's working. Just keep smiling, just
Speaker 1: keep pretending we're in a sober Uh. Sometimes the project. Uh,
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of these I think they're
Speaker 1: well intended and they get off on the right foot
Speaker 1: and then it ends up being scrapped for one reason
Speaker 1: or another. But you know, it makes a great point.
Speaker 1: If you're the United States Military and you want to
Speaker 1: build some big facility somewhere, you you want to build
Speaker 1: it away from things, obviously, so it's a little more secretive.
Speaker 1: But you can't build it too far from stuff because
Speaker 1: you need workers, and you need equipment and shipping and
Speaker 1: construction and all the things that being close to things provide.
Speaker 1: So uh with the town of apix floor to a
Speaker 1: p I X, which will explain what that means in
Speaker 1: a minute. This was in Palm Beach County in the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, where they bought up ten square miles in
Speaker 1: what was at the time kind of rural western Palm Beach.
Speaker 1: There weren't a lot of people around then because they
Speaker 1: wanted to build a factory. They were developing liquid hydrogen
Speaker 1: is UH fuel, and they're like, let's develop this fuel,
Speaker 1: will build this factory in another place nearby and we'll
Speaker 1: build a pipeline. Uh, And it just kind of never
Speaker 1: fully came to fruition, I think because they realized it
Speaker 1: was too expensive to ship liquid hydrogen that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they figured out it was cheaper to just put them
Speaker 1: in refrigerated trucks and drive them. So they actually did
Speaker 1: create the liquefaction plant to produce the hydrogen for the
Speaker 1: rocket fuel UM, but they just never went on to
Speaker 1: do UM the full project, which was built a worker's
Speaker 1: village to support the plant. And the whole idea was
Speaker 1: they were just going to say, this is a nilizer plant,
Speaker 1: and this is a basically, you know, a suburb, suburban
Speaker 1: town that's sprouted up around the fertilizer plant, just filled
Speaker 1: with normal people. Nothing to see here. This is a
Speaker 1: pix Florida Welcome and goodbye. But what does APIs stand for?
Speaker 1: This sort of the funny I'm not sure why they
Speaker 1: did this, but go ahead. So it was actually technical
Speaker 1: designation that that had to do with the project itself,
Speaker 1: Air Products Incorporated Experimental. So a pix UM you just
Speaker 1: remove the E and replace it with the X. You
Speaker 1: got a pix right and ED. Actually UM had a
Speaker 1: little editorial comment that I thought was pretty interesting, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't why would you possibly name the
Speaker 1: town like a technical term from the very project you're
Speaker 1: working on, the super secret rocket fuel. And he said
Speaker 1: that his wife Meg pointed out that, um, it actually
Speaker 1: worked pretty well, or it could work well, because if
Speaker 1: you heard people talking about a PIX, you just assume
Speaker 1: they were talking about that town of Florida and maybe
Speaker 1: not consider searching much further into what was actually being
Speaker 1: discussed when they were actually talking about the rocket fuel.
Speaker 1: Go Meg, Yeah, I thought so too. I think it's
Speaker 1: the first time we've heard from Meg, right, yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: I love it. Uh. This it's interesting. This is kind
Speaker 1: of functioning as a top ten in a way because
Speaker 1: we move on to yet another sub topic, which are
Speaker 1: paper towns. And I had never heard of this before.
Speaker 1: This is so cool. I need to talk to my
Speaker 1: buddy Rad, the cartographer out in Montana and see if
Speaker 1: he puts any uh trap streets or copyright traps in
Speaker 1: his work, because they were initially called trap streets. And
Speaker 1: this is when a map maker a cartographers drawing a map,
Speaker 1: and they even knew early on. They're like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: anyone can just go out and print copies of these
Speaker 1: and then sell them. I did all the hard work,
Speaker 1: and now they're just going to sell these maps as
Speaker 1: their own. So they started putting trap streets, like made
Speaker 1: up streets in there. It's sort of like the brown
Speaker 1: Eminem's and the Van Halen writer. So they would know
Speaker 1: if they saw a map with their trap street that
Speaker 1: there was copyright infringement. Man, what a great analogy you
Speaker 1: just made the brown Eminem's. Yeah, that's the person I
Speaker 1: thought of. So, um, they're the This one particular story
Speaker 1: centers on aglow or a glow. No one on the
Speaker 1: planet has any idea exactly how to pronounce it. New York,
Speaker 1: Upstate New York and the cat Skills and uh, there
Speaker 1: was a firm that was basically two guys from what
Speaker 1: I could tell uh in the twenties who were making
Speaker 1: maps and they created that town, which is a an
Speaker 1: amalgam um an amalgam okay of their of letters from
Speaker 1: their name. So aglow Um New York is just it's
Speaker 1: one of those paper cities that didn't exist, and it
Speaker 1: was meant as a copyright trap, like you were saying.
Speaker 1: But the reason that Anglo New York is probably the
Speaker 1: most famous paper city is because it managed to fall
Speaker 1: um backwards into reality. It went from a fake town
Speaker 1: on a map to a real town in upstate New
Speaker 1: York in a weird roundabout way. Yeah, but we should
Speaker 1: say town very much in quotation marks, because there was
Speaker 1: not a lot going on there. There are a couple
Speaker 1: of ways the story went down, and the one I
Speaker 1: saw that seems most reliable is kind of the second one.
Speaker 1: But apparently there was a fishing lodge that was built
Speaker 1: after this map was drawn with a fake town name
Speaker 1: on it, the paper town, and they saw that it
Speaker 1: was near this place, so they just named it after it.
Speaker 1: They said, all right, that's the closest town. So this
Speaker 1: is now the Aglow Lodge farms fishing lodge. And the
Speaker 1: New York Times ended up reporting on it and said
Speaker 1: that some of the first guests there, one of them
Speaker 1: was a map publishing firm and official from a publishing firm,
Speaker 1: and said the owner said you should put this place
Speaker 1: on the map. Even though that was like a New
Speaker 1: York Times contemporaneous piece, I don't know if that's super accurate.
Speaker 1: I think the other ones is a little more accurate.
Speaker 1: Not only is that questionable. It's it's very confusing to
Speaker 1: like was the map was the map publishing executive one
Speaker 1: of the guys who created Aglow, New York? As the
Speaker 1: trap is it is it did things really come that
Speaker 1: full circle? Was it somebody from Rand McNally who would
Speaker 1: later use it to their advantage. I've got a lot
Speaker 1: of questions about was it a minotaur? But the second
Speaker 1: version um is, really it's not that much different. There's uh,
Speaker 1: somebody who decided to open a general store on the
Speaker 1: spot where that was marked Aglow. And the other thing
Speaker 1: about this too is the fact that this town became
Speaker 1: real in a certain way means that there was the
Speaker 1: monumentally coincidental fact that they happened to have the type
Speaker 1: of map that have been created by that firm that
Speaker 1: made up Aglow. Because remember, no other map is going
Speaker 1: to have that town. It's a copyright town that just
Speaker 1: one firm's maps would show. So they happened to have
Speaker 1: that firm's maps two when they decided to figure out
Speaker 1: where their general store was or their fishing latch was,
Speaker 1: and so they named this general store the Anglo General Store.
Speaker 1: But the weird thing about it is where Rand McNally
Speaker 1: comes in in this story. Yeah, and I will just
Speaker 1: in defense of that, I will say it was an
Speaker 1: s O gas station map. So I think those things
Speaker 1: were kind of everywhere. Uh that was my interpretation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm just pointing out it wasn't some like weird
Speaker 1: obscure map. It was a it was a pretty heavily
Speaker 1: it was a map in the rotation, you know. So
Speaker 1: they built this general store, Rand McNally comes along. They
Speaker 1: publish a map, uh, you know, seemingly using the other
Speaker 1: map because Aglow was on there, and they got sued
Speaker 1: but they said no, no, no, no, no, you can't
Speaker 1: sue us, like this is a town now that I'm
Speaker 1: standing in front of the ago. They had a press
Speaker 1: conference in front of the Anglo General Store. They didn't
Speaker 1: they didn't really, but they probably should have and said,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a real place. And you know,
Speaker 1: they ended up winning that case because of that, and
Speaker 1: at various times over the years, Aglow is sometimes on maps.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's on Google Maps, sometimes it's not. I think
Speaker 1: the fishing lodge is there, but it doesn't go by
Speaker 1: that anymore. No, but it's there still. I mean, there
Speaker 1: is a fishing lodge there, but there is no the
Speaker 1: building of the general stores there, but I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a general store anymore. Right, I've seen both. I've
Speaker 1: seen that you can find the general store still. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen that the fishing lodge and the general store there,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like putting both both UM stories together,
Speaker 1: and I guess they don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Speaker 1: I also saw mentioned that at its peak, UM a
Speaker 1: little mini town sprang up around either the general or
Speaker 1: or lodge or both, that there was a gas station,
Speaker 1: two houses. Um there, there was something happened. It came
Speaker 1: up out of the map, the map became reality. It's
Speaker 1: such a great story. And there's an author named Tom Green.
Speaker 1: He's a y a author. I've not heard heard of
Speaker 1: him and read his stuff, but he he wrote a
Speaker 1: book called Paper Towns that were Aglow figures into it.
Speaker 1: So apparently UM teens will show up once in a
Speaker 1: while and be like, I'm an aglow so by this stuff.
Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. Book by the stuff
Speaker 1: you should know book by Paper Towns. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: even think about it. That's another book. It's another book
Speaker 1: by Rand McNally Atlas. If you've only if here's my advice.
Speaker 1: If you're a a person of a certain age who
Speaker 1: was literally never used a real map in your life
Speaker 1: and only interacted with digital interfaces by by an Atlas.
Speaker 1: By wrote Atlas, it's kind of fun. It's good to
Speaker 1: have around in case, you know, in case that it
Speaker 1: all goes down the tubes and we're all feral wandering
Speaker 1: around the country. I was road tripping with Emily recently
Speaker 1: and kind of reminiscing about, Yeah, I remember when you
Speaker 1: sat the pull over on the side of the road
Speaker 1: and get out the map and say, well, I think
Speaker 1: you can take this to this to this to get
Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, it was fun. It was a good
Speaker 1: sense of adventure that has now been ruined by technology.
Speaker 1: But also I've said before and I'll say it again,
Speaker 1: I think that, um it made people smarter in some ways,
Speaker 1: um than than today. Yeah. Again, I think we talked
Speaker 1: about like balancing your checkbook or something like that. You
Speaker 1: had to do that. Oh no, it was keeping bowling
Speaker 1: scores by hands, right. It's it's the same kind of thing,
Speaker 1: like having to stop and figure out where you are
Speaker 1: and where you're going and then how to get there
Speaker 1: on a map. So much different than like take a
Speaker 1: left in a hundred and eighty feet um, and I'm
Speaker 1: not like, I'm not mad about that. I use ways
Speaker 1: every time I drive that I don't know where I'm going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's there's a qualitative difference in what your brain
Speaker 1: is doing when you're using ways and when you are
Speaker 1: looking at a paper map and figuring out yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I like knowing where the best breakfast burrito is
Speaker 1: in the next down I'm going to and the old
Speaker 1: rand mc now I didn't show you that. Should we
Speaker 1: take a break? Yeah, let's let's take a break. Okay,
Speaker 1: a question, breakfast burrito. We'll finish up after this. Stuff.
Speaker 1: You should know, stuff you should know, so UMO. One
Speaker 1: of the other reasons that people make fake towns is
Speaker 1: not to just um act as decoys, but instead to
Speaker 1: use for testing, often weapons testing. Probably the most famous
Speaker 1: fake town that has been used to test weapons is
Speaker 1: in Nevada. The Nevada is in Nevada, Nevada, Nevada, Nevada.
Speaker 1: You're right, the Nevada Test Site, UM, which in the
Speaker 1: fifties until the mid sixties I believe, was where we
Speaker 1: set off I think seven hundred plus nuclear bombs and
Speaker 1: we would often build little towns and be like, k boom,
Speaker 1: did you see what happened to that town? And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm only a few miles from it, because that's what
Speaker 1: happened with I've've seen it called survival town. Probably the
Speaker 1: most famous one is the one where they actually shot
Speaker 1: a bunch of footage the Apple To test site, uh
Speaker 1: in ninety five, where they gathered six thousand people to
Speaker 1: watch from six miles away. I believe the army was
Speaker 1: about two to three miles away. And they built, you know,
Speaker 1: they built a bunch of stuff. They built some houses,
Speaker 1: built some buildings. They had a away station, some trailer parks,
Speaker 1: some cars, apparently a propane tank station. So they built
Speaker 1: a little bit of infrastructure. And this is the one,
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen, the very famous footage. And part
Speaker 1: of the reason they did this was to be able
Speaker 1: to show Americans like and scare them, say, here's what
Speaker 1: will happen to you of the you know, those mannequins
Speaker 1: dissolving into fiery blast right before your eyes. And by
Speaker 1: the way, you call your senator and tell them you
Speaker 1: want American defense spending doubled. Basically, very well known footage,
Speaker 1: but um one of these houses that it's called the
Speaker 1: bell And Building was manufactured by a company Bellon Manufacturing,
Speaker 1: who did steel panels. Uh. It was only six feet
Speaker 1: away and it survived very famously. The blast And was
Speaker 1: a legit, you know, tourist attraction for a long time.
Speaker 1: It may still be. Is it still there, Yeah, still is.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of houses that are still there that survived.
Speaker 1: One was a two story colonial or two stories something, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: colonial with a brick fireplace and chimney on the outside,
Speaker 1: and a lot of it survived. The other one was
Speaker 1: an all all straight up brick house, um, which I
Speaker 1: believe was the inspiration for the Commodore song. Brick house,
Speaker 1: that's right. And the one of straw did not make it. No,
Speaker 1: But if you looked inside those houses, they had like
Speaker 1: mannequins dressed up, some of them dressed to the nines frankly. Um.
Speaker 1: They had like frozen food, canned food in some cases
Speaker 1: fresh food. They had stuff, infrigerators, they had like they
Speaker 1: had oh yeah, that's right. That was the third one, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: fourth one? Okay? Um? Oh yeah, no yeah, what was
Speaker 1: the third one? Thet I don't know what's happening in
Speaker 1: my aging mind. Um, but the if you looked to
Speaker 1: see like the before and after, I have to say
Speaker 1: the mannequins fared pretty well. They got bounced around, they
Speaker 1: definitely weren't standing up anymore afterward, but they weren't like
Speaker 1: vapor either. Right. It's just great the test work. Our
Speaker 1: buddy Van Nostrin said he went to that site really
Speaker 1: one of the more amazing places he's been. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: have to check that out. Japan did something kind of
Speaker 1: similar with Project Ichiban and that this was post Hiroshima
Speaker 1: and Nagasaki when they're like, hey, we want to see
Speaker 1: like what radiation does to people and what radiation sickness
Speaker 1: might do. So they built a village that could actually
Speaker 1: be moved around. It was built on wooden skids, so
Speaker 1: you could move this village around two different uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and subject it to different levels of radiation to see
Speaker 1: what would happen. I think that was actually American built
Speaker 1: umulated to Japanese village. Yeah, because they're like, WHOA a
Speaker 1: lot of people died of radiation sickness. We weren't expecting it.
Speaker 1: I guess so because it was built on the Yucca
Speaker 1: Flat and that in Japan. It's a outside of Nagao,
Speaker 1: I know, big big with by me. So um. There
Speaker 1: are other cities that are built for testing not nearly
Speaker 1: as much destructive stuff as like a nuclear bomb. And
Speaker 1: there's one of the University of Michigan in ann Arbor,
Speaker 1: Um called m City, and it's basically like uh fake
Speaker 1: drive around town, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knows what I'm saying. Let me
Speaker 1: just rephrase that. It's like it's the it's like a um,
Speaker 1: it's like a town, a fake town that's really um
Speaker 1: car centric. It's like Los Angeles but in Anna Arbor, right,
Speaker 1: but fully like it's it's only fake in the sense
Speaker 1: is that there are fake buildings that no one lives there,
Speaker 1: like they really because what they're doing is there. Uh
Speaker 1: it's all in partnership with I believe, initially Forward, but
Speaker 1: I don't know who all is involved now to test
Speaker 1: driverless car, so they the streets have to be really
Speaker 1: real and the stoplights, like it has to really function
Speaker 1: as a real city if you want to really test
Speaker 1: driverless cars out. Yeah. I saw they even have like
Speaker 1: you know, crash test dummies as pedestrians and stuff to
Speaker 1: make sure the things stop when they're supposed to. It's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And there's an app where if you are
Speaker 1: testing at m city, you will have access to an
Speaker 1: app that lets you like control different conditions around the
Speaker 1: fake town Truman Show. Yeah, I guess so, but you
Speaker 1: can use it on your phone. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they can really make it rain, although I bet you
Speaker 1: they can. I'll bet they can at the very least
Speaker 1: make the streets wet. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: a road condition. I mean, that's legit right. So that
Speaker 1: reminds me of something I went to when I grew
Speaker 1: up um in Toledo called Safety City. Oh, I think
Speaker 1: I've heard about this. It's so amazing. You you take
Speaker 1: your big will um and you go to Safety City,
Speaker 1: which is a small miniature fake town with like intersections
Speaker 1: and a railroad crossing and traffic lights, and you learn
Speaker 1: like what all the stuff means, like what do you
Speaker 1: do at a yield time? And you get to ride
Speaker 1: around on your big wheel like you're in a car
Speaker 1: driving around town. It was one of the better experiences
Speaker 1: of my young life until you that's amazing. Uh, there's
Speaker 1: another one that seems really creepy uh in every way,
Speaker 1: but it's hasn't come to fruition and it really isn't creepy.
Speaker 1: I think it's just the fact that it's called the
Speaker 1: Center Capital T Capital C and it's this billion dollar
Speaker 1: future fake city. Uh. That's they've been planning missing out
Speaker 1: since twelve. Uh. It's Pegasus Global Holdings. That's also creepy sounding,
Speaker 1: although it's probably completely innocuous. Uh. And the Center for
Speaker 1: Innovation again Capital TC and I and Testing and Evaluation.
Speaker 1: So it's the Center for Innovation, Testing and Evaluation, sorry,
Speaker 1: C I, T E. UH. And what they're doing it
Speaker 1: seems like, or what they want to do eventually. It
Speaker 1: seems like there's all kinds of testing that could go on,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it has to do with energy
Speaker 1: savings and you know, transporting energy, um, getting water from
Speaker 1: one place to another more safely. Uh. It just seems
Speaker 1: like transportation. It seems sort of like a catch all
Speaker 1: of anything that you would want to use the city
Speaker 1: for without having to block off real streets and pay
Speaker 1: real money and suffer repercussions from real damage and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But it does seem to have a real
Speaker 1: focus on sustainability, like like the some of the projects
Speaker 1: also include UM like you could test UM low and
Speaker 1: low loss transmission lines remember and like I can't remember
Speaker 1: what episode that Like that is a huge problem with
Speaker 1: creating a renewable grid. Is there so much energy loss
Speaker 1: over time? Like you could test that. You could also
Speaker 1: test driverless cars um And have you seen the die
Speaker 1: grammar the renderings of this city. Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: It is. There's like a whole highway that comes into
Speaker 1: town just like a regular city. There's a rural area,
Speaker 1: there's suburbs, there's like a downtown area. It looks like
Speaker 1: it's going to be really great. And I could whoever
Speaker 1: thought of building that. I think it's one of those
Speaker 1: if you build that, they will come kind of things.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like they're having trouble convincing people about
Speaker 1: the second part, right, I bet it will happen at
Speaker 1: some point, I hope. So, yeah, And it's not creepy
Speaker 1: at all. It just at all of like all the
Speaker 1: capital letters really free to me. Right, No, But that
Speaker 1: on top of the idea that if you went to
Speaker 1: this place, it would be like a Twilight Zone episode
Speaker 1: where there's no one there. You've got like a city
Speaker 1: and no one's in it. That's just so creepy. That's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why this is so this whole
Speaker 1: episode is me and gross. There's just some creep factor
Speaker 1: that's lurking right under the surface. Yeah, it's it's the
Speaker 1: same creep factor from like an abandoned city almost. There's
Speaker 1: just something creepy about infrastructure with no one there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I just want to give a shout out one
Speaker 1: more um for one more thing on Florida. We were
Speaker 1: talking about APIs Florida and reminded me that down in
Speaker 1: Dade County there's something called the Arrow Jet Facility and
Speaker 1: it was a rocket testing site, a missile testing site,
Speaker 1: and there is a missile in an underground silo still there.
Speaker 1: It's obviously not armed or anything, but there's some really
Speaker 1: cool Urban Explorer pictures of this this missile, usually from
Speaker 1: the top down, but somebody went figured out how to
Speaker 1: get down to the bottom. So they're like standing at
Speaker 1: at the base of this missile. It's towering over them,
Speaker 1: but it's it's in this weird overgrown area outside of Miami.
Speaker 1: It's really cool looking. To check it out on the Internet.
Speaker 1: It's like the bomb and Savannah in the ocean. They
Speaker 1: saw it, found that right, No, no, but they know
Speaker 1: where this is. Oh yeah sure. Uh so the last
Speaker 1: it's kind of fake city has been used a bunch
Speaker 1: of times by the military and by UM as we'll
Speaker 1: see later. Uh the modern police forces a k a.
Speaker 1: The mini military UM. But you know training centers every
Speaker 1: everyone from the FBI to the c i A to
Speaker 1: the army has training centers all over the country where
Speaker 1: they have fake towns built tactical villages. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: if you ever seen like Jodie Foster walking through the CIA,
Speaker 1: or was the FBI, she was FBI FBI training where
Speaker 1: you know the bad guys pop around the corner of
Speaker 1: a fake house like this is more along those lines. Basically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was actually either said at or meant to be
Speaker 1: um Hogan's alley at Quantico UM. And yes, she didn't
Speaker 1: look behind the door. Remember I didn't look behind the door,
Speaker 1: so um. Yeah. There's also Fort Polkan, Louisiana used to
Speaker 1: have a like a Vietnamese village for training before shipping
Speaker 1: out to Vietnam and the sixties UM for Irwin in Barstow,
Speaker 1: where the drugs kick in. They had um Afghani Village
Speaker 1: basically UM built for the U S military to train
Speaker 1: at UM. And then you mentioned the mini military today's
Speaker 1: police forces. UM. In the sixties, the US built two
Speaker 1: different fake towns on military bases. I didn't see which, UM,
Speaker 1: but in the United States there were two what were
Speaker 1: called Riotsvilles, and that was like an informal term forum
Speaker 1: and it was a place where local police officers or
Speaker 1: law enforcement could travel to these bases and be trained
Speaker 1: in violently suppressing protests. UM. In like a fake town
Speaker 1: that that simulated a real world situation. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: one I think we should do a full episode on
Speaker 1: for sure. There's a new documentary out called Riotsville, USA
Speaker 1: that popped up I believe in just September of this year.
Speaker 1: Was this year, I think, so it's pretty recent and
Speaker 1: this actually may have been where I got the idea.
Speaker 1: I might have seen an article about this. But it's
Speaker 1: really interesting because then we can get into the Kerner Commission,
Speaker 1: which was basically this you know, in depth study of
Speaker 1: history and data where they concluded that hey, um, social
Speaker 1: welfare funding is is necessary in this country. UM. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't just as simple as like, hey, there's racism,
Speaker 1: so we need social welfare funding. It's hey, the way
Speaker 1: this country went and when everything happened with industrialization and
Speaker 1: where people live and where African Americans were coming out
Speaker 1: of Jim Crow like, it all aligned in this terrible
Speaker 1: perfect storm and imperfect storm where uh, we need to
Speaker 1: help take care of people a little bit more. And
Speaker 1: this was all reversed, and I believe it was a
Speaker 1: Johnson administration said Oh, actually, what we're gonna do is
Speaker 1: we're gonna take We're gonna divert all the money we
Speaker 1: can towards making the United States military or i'm sorry,
Speaker 1: police forces more like paramilitary forces and train them in
Speaker 1: you know, standing down these riots where people are asking
Speaker 1: for you know, basic human needs, right right, And as
Speaker 1: Ed points out, the fact that these two riots bills
Speaker 1: were built basically shows like no, it's essentially the official
Speaker 1: policy of the United States to like suppress protests brutally
Speaker 1: often rather than actually addressed like the actual issues that
Speaker 1: are causing unrest in the first place. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that we should, um, we should do an episode
Speaker 1: on that too. That's a great idea. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to watch that doc because I think there's just a
Speaker 1: lot more to it than an addendum here at the
Speaker 1: end of this one, for sure. And if only Riotsville,
Speaker 1: USA the documentary have been a book instead, that would
Speaker 1: have been the ultimate button anonymous episode, you know, it
Speaker 1: would have. I do want to mention a movie though,
Speaker 1: Joel Schumacher made a movie called tiger Land, which was
Speaker 1: the name of the training place in in Yeah, in Polk,
Speaker 1: Louisiana where it's sort of simulated an Asian jungle environment.
Speaker 1: Was Colin Farrell in tiger Land rated are coming to
Speaker 1: a theater ten years ago? Yeah? Or more? Um, well,
Speaker 1: you got anything else? I got nothing else. Well, since
Speaker 1: Chuck evoked the name of Colin Farrell, that obviously means
Speaker 1: it's time for a listener mail. All right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call this a little more detail on our vinyl stereo exclamation,
Speaker 1: explanation and exclamation I make dear mrs stuff. You said
Speaker 1: in your episode on vinyl that stereo records are created
Speaker 1: by cutting the left right audio on the left right
Speaker 1: side of the record. Proove it's even more black magic
Speaker 1: ey than that. An old technology g WHI shellac records.
Speaker 1: The mono information was engraved from side to side with stereo.
Speaker 1: The mono information is engraved in the same way, and
Speaker 1: the side information is engraved up and down. Uh. This
Speaker 1: is then, I know, I mean that's still I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't even understand this. Uh. This is then turned
Speaker 1: into the left right audio using a process called midside decoding,
Speaker 1: which is basically duplicating the mid information phase, inverting it,
Speaker 1: and then adding it together with the mid and other
Speaker 1: side information. If that blew your mind as much as
Speaker 1: it did me when I got it explained, check out
Speaker 1: this article and this is uh. Uh just google sound
Speaker 1: processing mid side stereo and that will probably answer right. Ah.
Speaker 1: And that is from Marcus, who is also, by the way,
Speaker 1: not satisfied with our description of compressed digital audio. Sorry Marcus,
Speaker 1: but that is really interesting email. And it was one
Speaker 1: of those things like every once in a while we'll
Speaker 1: hear something from somebody and you just it almost like
Speaker 1: hurts in your guts that you didn't know that thing,
Speaker 1: or you didn't know it to that degree, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you almost want to go back
Speaker 1: and correct it somehow. Yeah, And we also should mention
Speaker 1: we got a few emails from other audio file uh
Speaker 1: people who also said, hey, you guys kind of glossed
Speaker 1: over the digital audio compression because there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: codex and ways of doing things. And uh, we also
Speaker 1: got a not very nice email where someone was like,
Speaker 1: you guys are playing your stuff wrong. Why bother? I
Speaker 1: didn't notice that one. But I mean, it's not like
Speaker 1: a how digital compression works episode. It was about final
Speaker 1: give us a break, everybody. Those were the people I
Speaker 1: was talking about when I made the disclaimer at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode, and they didn't listen to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that this, I'll send you the email. Then that nice
Speaker 1: guy he basically said, Josh, you Moneys will give away
Speaker 1: your records to someone who can play him right, Okay. Cool,
Speaker 1: And for the aspect of my record playing, so we're
Speaker 1: doing it wrong, but hey, we're living our best life
Speaker 1: and having a good time. Think as as my wife
Speaker 1: would say, Oh never mind, I'm not gonna say that. Okay.
Speaker 1: And that was from Marcus, right, that was from Marcus.
Speaker 1: Marcus was fairly kind about it. Cool. Thanks a lot, Marcus.
Speaker 1: Thanks for all the extra info. I mean, that's definitely
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