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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,

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Speaker 1: there's Chuck. Jerry's here too, across the country. Even, what

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Speaker 1: a time to be alive, What a time to be

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Speaker 1: alive listening to Stuff you Should Know? Uh? Yes, and

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Speaker 1: should we can? We start off with a little shout

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Speaker 1: out to our colleagues. Yes, for sure, our buddies that

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Speaker 1: They wrote a book like we did. And we are

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Speaker 1: very proud of these guys are colleagues. We've known our

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Speaker 1: they cover? They cover conspiracies, but not like trust me.

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Speaker 1: It's not like this big pro conspiracy thing. No. No,

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Speaker 1: they do a lot of um ripping the lid off

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Speaker 1: thank you. Well. What they do is they apply critical

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Speaker 1: um and they have a great podcast, and now they

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Speaker 1: have a great book and it's um an eponymous book.

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Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to know is the name

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Speaker 1: of the book and the podcast, and I think it

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Speaker 1: just published, Chuck. So that means that you can get

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Speaker 1: it everywhere. I mean everywhere. You can get it at

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Speaker 1: like Eagle Eye Books in Atlanta, you can get it

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Speaker 1: at UM, the Corner Shop, Amazon dot com. Uh, you

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Speaker 1: want you to know in hardcover because it just came

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Speaker 1: when you pick up this book, you should probably be

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Speaker 1: wearing other myths because it is that new. That's right.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to get my own copy. If you're

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Speaker 1: into history, for into reading about proven conspiracies and uh

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Speaker 1: sure you can't wait go check it out. Um, so

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Speaker 1: we're talking today about fake cities, right, yeah, like rock Ridge,

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Speaker 1: This is so cool. I need to talk to my

427
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: buddy Rad, the cartographer out in Montana and see if

428
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: he puts any uh trap streets or copyright traps in

429
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: his work, because they were initially called trap streets. And

430
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: this is when a map maker a cartographers drawing a map,

431
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: and they even knew early on. They're like, hey, listen,

432
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: anyone can just go out and print copies of these

433
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: and then sell them. I did all the hard work,

434
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: and now they're just going to sell these maps as

435
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: their own. So they started putting trap streets, like made

436
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: up streets in there. It's sort of like the brown

437
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: Eminem's and the Van Halen writer. So they would know

438
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: if they saw a map with their trap street that

439
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: there was copyright infringement. Man, what a great analogy you

440
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: just made the brown Eminem's. Yeah, that's the person I

441
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: thought of. So, um, they're the This one particular story

442
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: centers on aglow or a glow. No one on the

443
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: planet has any idea exactly how to pronounce it. New York,

444
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: Upstate New York and the cat Skills and uh, there

445
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: was a firm that was basically two guys from what

446
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: I could tell uh in the twenties who were making

447
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: maps and they created that town, which is a an

448
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: amalgam um an amalgam okay of their of letters from

449
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: their name. So aglow Um New York is just it's

450
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: one of those paper cities that didn't exist, and it

451
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: was meant as a copyright trap, like you were saying.

452
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: But the reason that Anglo New York is probably the

453
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: most famous paper city is because it managed to fall

454
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: um backwards into reality. It went from a fake town

455
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: on a map to a real town in upstate New

456
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: York in a weird roundabout way. Yeah, but we should

457
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: say town very much in quotation marks, because there was

458
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: not a lot going on there. There are a couple

459
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: of ways the story went down, and the one I

460
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: saw that seems most reliable is kind of the second one.

461
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: But apparently there was a fishing lodge that was built

462
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: after this map was drawn with a fake town name

463
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 1: on it, the paper town, and they saw that it

464
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: was near this place, so they just named it after it.

465
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: They said, all right, that's the closest town. So this

466
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: is now the Aglow Lodge farms fishing lodge. And the

467
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: New York Times ended up reporting on it and said

468
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: that some of the first guests there, one of them

469
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: was a map publishing firm and official from a publishing firm,

470
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: and said the owner said you should put this place

471
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: on the map. Even though that was like a New

472
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: York Times contemporaneous piece, I don't know if that's super accurate.

473
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: I think the other ones is a little more accurate.

474
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: Not only is that questionable. It's it's very confusing to

475
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: like was the map was the map publishing executive one

476
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: of the guys who created Aglow, New York? As the

477
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: trap is it is it did things really come that

478
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: full circle? Was it somebody from Rand McNally who would

479
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: later use it to their advantage. I've got a lot

480
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: of questions about was it a minotaur? But the second

481
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: version um is, really it's not that much different. There's uh,

482
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: somebody who decided to open a general store on the

483
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: spot where that was marked Aglow. And the other thing

484
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: about this too is the fact that this town became

485
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: real in a certain way means that there was the

486
00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: monumentally coincidental fact that they happened to have the type

487
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: of map that have been created by that firm that

488
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: made up Aglow. Because remember, no other map is going

489
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: to have that town. It's a copyright town that just

490
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: one firm's maps would show. So they happened to have

491
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: that firm's maps two when they decided to figure out

492
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: where their general store was or their fishing latch was,

493
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: and so they named this general store the Anglo General Store.

494
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: But the weird thing about it is where Rand McNally

495
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: comes in in this story. Yeah, and I will just

496
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: in defense of that, I will say it was an

497
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: s O gas station map. So I think those things

498
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: were kind of everywhere. Uh that was my interpretation. Yeah,

499
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: but I'm just pointing out it wasn't some like weird

500
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: obscure map. It was a it was a pretty heavily

501
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: it was a map in the rotation, you know. So

502
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: they built this general store, Rand McNally comes along. They

503
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: publish a map, uh, you know, seemingly using the other

504
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: map because Aglow was on there, and they got sued

505
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: but they said no, no, no, no, no, you can't

506
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: sue us, like this is a town now that I'm

507
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: standing in front of the ago. They had a press

508
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: conference in front of the Anglo General Store. They didn't

509
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: they didn't really, but they probably should have and said,

510
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, this is a real place. And you know,

511
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: they ended up winning that case because of that, and

512
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: at various times over the years, Aglow is sometimes on maps.

513
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's on Google Maps, sometimes it's not. I think

514
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: the fishing lodge is there, but it doesn't go by

515
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: that anymore. No, but it's there still. I mean, there

516
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: is a fishing lodge there, but there is no the

517
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: building of the general stores there, but I don't think

518
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: it's a general store anymore. Right, I've seen both. I've

519
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: seen that you can find the general store still. Yeah,

520
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: I've seen that the fishing lodge and the general store there,

521
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: which is kind of like putting both both UM stories together,

522
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: and I guess they don't have to be mutually exclusive.

523
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: I also saw mentioned that at its peak, UM a

524
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 1: little mini town sprang up around either the general or

525
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: or lodge or both, that there was a gas station,

526
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: two houses. Um there, there was something happened. It came

527
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: up out of the map, the map became reality. It's

528
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: such a great story. And there's an author named Tom Green.

529
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: He's a y a author. I've not heard heard of

530
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: him and read his stuff, but he he wrote a

531
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: book called Paper Towns that were Aglow figures into it.

532
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: So apparently UM teens will show up once in a

533
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: while and be like, I'm an aglow so by this stuff.

534
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. Book by the stuff

535
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: you should know book by Paper Towns. Yeah, I didn't

536
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: even think about it. That's another book. It's another book

537
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: by Rand McNally Atlas. If you've only if here's my advice.

538
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: If you're a a person of a certain age who

539
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: was literally never used a real map in your life

540
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: and only interacted with digital interfaces by by an Atlas.

541
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: By wrote Atlas, it's kind of fun. It's good to

542
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: have around in case, you know, in case that it

543
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: all goes down the tubes and we're all feral wandering

544
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: around the country. I was road tripping with Emily recently

545
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: and kind of reminiscing about, Yeah, I remember when you

546
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: sat the pull over on the side of the road

547
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: and get out the map and say, well, I think

548
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: you can take this to this to this to get

549
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, it was fun. It was a good

550
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: sense of adventure that has now been ruined by technology.

551
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: But also I've said before and I'll say it again,

552
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: I think that, um it made people smarter in some ways,

553
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: um than than today. Yeah. Again, I think we talked

554
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: about like balancing your checkbook or something like that. You

555
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: had to do that. Oh no, it was keeping bowling

556
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: scores by hands, right. It's it's the same kind of thing,

557
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: like having to stop and figure out where you are

558
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: and where you're going and then how to get there

559
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: on a map. So much different than like take a

560
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: left in a hundred and eighty feet um, and I'm

561
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: not like, I'm not mad about that. I use ways

562
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: every time I drive that I don't know where I'm going. Yeah,

563
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: but there's there's a qualitative difference in what your brain

564
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: is doing when you're using ways and when you are

565
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: looking at a paper map and figuring out yourself. Yeah,

566
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: like I like knowing where the best breakfast burrito is

567
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: in the next down I'm going to and the old

568
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: rand mc now I didn't show you that. Should we

569
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: take a break? Yeah, let's let's take a break. Okay,

570
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: a question, breakfast burrito. We'll finish up after this. Stuff.

571
00:32:38,960 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: You should know, stuff you should know, so UMO. One

572
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: of the other reasons that people make fake towns is

573
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: not to just um act as decoys, but instead to

574
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: use for testing, often weapons testing. Probably the most famous

575
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: fake town that has been used to test weapons is

576
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: in Nevada. The Nevada is in Nevada, Nevada, Nevada, Nevada.

577
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: You're right, the Nevada Test Site, UM, which in the

578
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: fifties until the mid sixties I believe, was where we

579
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: set off I think seven hundred plus nuclear bombs and

580
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: we would often build little towns and be like, k boom,

581
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: did you see what happened to that town? And yeah,

582
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm only a few miles from it, because that's what

583
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: happened with I've've seen it called survival town. Probably the

584
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: most famous one is the one where they actually shot

585
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of footage the Apple To test site, uh

586
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: in ninety five, where they gathered six thousand people to

587
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: watch from six miles away. I believe the army was

588
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: about two to three miles away. And they built, you know,

589
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: they built a bunch of stuff. They built some houses,

590
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: built some buildings. They had a away station, some trailer parks,

591
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: some cars, apparently a propane tank station. So they built

592
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of infrastructure. And this is the one,

593
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen, the very famous footage. And part

594
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: of the reason they did this was to be able

595
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: to show Americans like and scare them, say, here's what

596
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: will happen to you of the you know, those mannequins

597
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: dissolving into fiery blast right before your eyes. And by

598
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: the way, you call your senator and tell them you

599
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: want American defense spending doubled. Basically, very well known footage,

600
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: but um one of these houses that it's called the

601
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: bell And Building was manufactured by a company Bellon Manufacturing,

602
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: who did steel panels. Uh. It was only six feet

603
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: away and it survived very famously. The blast And was

604
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: a legit, you know, tourist attraction for a long time.

605
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: It may still be. Is it still there, Yeah, still is.

606
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: There's a couple of houses that are still there that survived.

607
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: One was a two story colonial or two stories something, um, yeah,

608
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: colonial with a brick fireplace and chimney on the outside,

609
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of it survived. The other one was

610
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: an all all straight up brick house, um, which I

611
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: believe was the inspiration for the Commodore song. Brick house,

612
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: that's right. And the one of straw did not make it. No,

613
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: But if you looked inside those houses, they had like

614
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: mannequins dressed up, some of them dressed to the nines frankly. Um.

615
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: They had like frozen food, canned food in some cases

616
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: fresh food. They had stuff, infrigerators, they had like they

617
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,959
Speaker 1: had oh yeah, that's right. That was the third one, right, yeah,

618
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: fourth one? Okay? Um? Oh yeah, no yeah, what was

619
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: the third one? Thet I don't know what's happening in

620
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: my aging mind. Um, but the if you looked to

621
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: see like the before and after, I have to say

622
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: the mannequins fared pretty well. They got bounced around, they

623
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: definitely weren't standing up anymore afterward, but they weren't like

624
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: vapor either. Right. It's just great the test work. Our

625
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: buddy Van Nostrin said he went to that site really

626
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: one of the more amazing places he's been. Yeah, I'll

627
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: have to check that out. Japan did something kind of

628
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: similar with Project Ichiban and that this was post Hiroshima

629
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: and Nagasaki when they're like, hey, we want to see

630
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: like what radiation does to people and what radiation sickness

631
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: might do. So they built a village that could actually

632
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: be moved around. It was built on wooden skids, so

633
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: you could move this village around two different uh, you know,

634
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: and subject it to different levels of radiation to see

635
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: what would happen. I think that was actually American built

636
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: umulated to Japanese village. Yeah, because they're like, WHOA a

637
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: lot of people died of radiation sickness. We weren't expecting it.

638
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: I guess so because it was built on the Yucca

639
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: Flat and that in Japan. It's a outside of Nagao,

640
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: I know, big big with by me. So um. There

641
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: are other cities that are built for testing not nearly

642
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: as much destructive stuff as like a nuclear bomb. And

643
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: there's one of the University of Michigan in ann Arbor,

644
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: Um called m City, and it's basically like uh fake

645
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: drive around town, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, No,

646
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knows what I'm saying. Let me

647
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: just rephrase that. It's like it's the it's like a um,

648
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: it's like a town, a fake town that's really um

649
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: car centric. It's like Los Angeles but in Anna Arbor, right,

650
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: but fully like it's it's only fake in the sense

651
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: is that there are fake buildings that no one lives there,

652
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: like they really because what they're doing is there. Uh

653
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: it's all in partnership with I believe, initially Forward, but

654
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't know who all is involved now to test

655
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: driverless car, so they the streets have to be really

656
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: real and the stoplights, like it has to really function

657
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: as a real city if you want to really test

658
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: driverless cars out. Yeah. I saw they even have like

659
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, crash test dummies as pedestrians and stuff to

660
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: make sure the things stop when they're supposed to. It's

661
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And there's an app where if you are

662
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: testing at m city, you will have access to an

663
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: app that lets you like control different conditions around the

664
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: fake town Truman Show. Yeah, I guess so, but you

665
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: can use it on your phone. I don't know if

666
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: they can really make it rain, although I bet you

667
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: they can. I'll bet they can at the very least

668
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: make the streets wet. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's

669
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: a road condition. I mean, that's legit right. So that

670
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: reminds me of something I went to when I grew

671
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: up um in Toledo called Safety City. Oh, I think

672
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: I've heard about this. It's so amazing. You you take

673
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: your big will um and you go to Safety City,

674
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: which is a small miniature fake town with like intersections

675
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: and a railroad crossing and traffic lights, and you learn

676
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: like what all the stuff means, like what do you

677
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: do at a yield time? And you get to ride

678
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: around on your big wheel like you're in a car

679
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: driving around town. It was one of the better experiences

680
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: of my young life until you that's amazing. Uh, there's

681
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: another one that seems really creepy uh in every way,

682
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: but it's hasn't come to fruition and it really isn't creepy.

683
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: I think it's just the fact that it's called the

684
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: Center Capital T Capital C and it's this billion dollar

685
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: future fake city. Uh. That's they've been planning missing out

686
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: since twelve. Uh. It's Pegasus Global Holdings. That's also creepy sounding,

687
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: although it's probably completely innocuous. Uh. And the Center for

688
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: Innovation again Capital TC and I and Testing and Evaluation.

689
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: So it's the Center for Innovation, Testing and Evaluation, sorry,

690
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: C I, T E. UH. And what they're doing it

691
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: seems like, or what they want to do eventually. It

692
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: seems like there's all kinds of testing that could go on,

693
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: but a lot of it has to do with energy

694
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: savings and you know, transporting energy, um, getting water from

695
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: one place to another more safely. Uh. It just seems

696
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: like transportation. It seems sort of like a catch all

697
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: of anything that you would want to use the city

698
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: for without having to block off real streets and pay

699
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: real money and suffer repercussions from real damage and stuff

700
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: like that. But it does seem to have a real

701
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: focus on sustainability, like like the some of the projects

702
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: also include UM like you could test UM low and

703
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: low loss transmission lines remember and like I can't remember

704
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: what episode that Like that is a huge problem with

705
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: creating a renewable grid. Is there so much energy loss

706
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: over time? Like you could test that. You could also

707
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: test driverless cars um And have you seen the die

708
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: grammar the renderings of this city. Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

709
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: It is. There's like a whole highway that comes into

710
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: town just like a regular city. There's a rural area,

711
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: there's suburbs, there's like a downtown area. It looks like

712
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be really great. And I could whoever

713
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: thought of building that. I think it's one of those

714
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: if you build that, they will come kind of things.

715
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: But it sounds like they're having trouble convincing people about

716
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: the second part, right, I bet it will happen at

717
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: some point, I hope. So, yeah, And it's not creepy

718
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: at all. It just at all of like all the

719
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: capital letters really free to me. Right, No, But that

720
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: on top of the idea that if you went to

721
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: this place, it would be like a Twilight Zone episode

722
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: where there's no one there. You've got like a city

723
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: and no one's in it. That's just so creepy. That's

724
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why this is so this whole

725
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: episode is me and gross. There's just some creep factor

726
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: that's lurking right under the surface. Yeah, it's it's the

727
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: same creep factor from like an abandoned city almost. There's

728
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: just something creepy about infrastructure with no one there. Yeah,

729
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: So I just want to give a shout out one

730
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: more um for one more thing on Florida. We were

731
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: talking about APIs Florida and reminded me that down in

732
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: Dade County there's something called the Arrow Jet Facility and

733
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: it was a rocket testing site, a missile testing site,

734
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: and there is a missile in an underground silo still there.

735
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: It's obviously not armed or anything, but there's some really

736
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: cool Urban Explorer pictures of this this missile, usually from

737
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: the top down, but somebody went figured out how to

738
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: get down to the bottom. So they're like standing at

739
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: at the base of this missile. It's towering over them,

740
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: but it's it's in this weird overgrown area outside of Miami.

741
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: It's really cool looking. To check it out on the Internet.

742
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: It's like the bomb and Savannah in the ocean. They

743
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: saw it, found that right, No, no, but they know

744
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: where this is. Oh yeah sure. Uh so the last

745
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of fake city has been used a bunch

746
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: of times by the military and by UM as we'll

747
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: see later. Uh the modern police forces a k a.

748
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: The mini military UM. But you know training centers every

749
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: everyone from the FBI to the c i A to

750
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: the army has training centers all over the country where

751
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: they have fake towns built tactical villages. Um. You know,

752
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: if you ever seen like Jodie Foster walking through the CIA,

753
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: or was the FBI, she was FBI FBI training where

754
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: you know the bad guys pop around the corner of

755
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: a fake house like this is more along those lines. Basically, Yeah,

756
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: that was actually either said at or meant to be

757
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: um Hogan's alley at Quantico UM. And yes, she didn't

758
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: look behind the door. Remember I didn't look behind the door,

759
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: so um. Yeah. There's also Fort Polkan, Louisiana used to

760
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: have a like a Vietnamese village for training before shipping

761
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: out to Vietnam and the sixties UM for Irwin in Barstow,

762
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: where the drugs kick in. They had um Afghani Village

763
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: basically UM built for the U S military to train

764
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: at UM. And then you mentioned the mini military today's

765
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: police forces. UM. In the sixties, the US built two

766
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: different fake towns on military bases. I didn't see which, UM,

767
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: but in the United States there were two what were

768
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: called Riotsvilles, and that was like an informal term forum

769
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: and it was a place where local police officers or

770
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: law enforcement could travel to these bases and be trained

771
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: in violently suppressing protests. UM. In like a fake town

772
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: that that simulated a real world situation. Yeah, this is

773
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: one I think we should do a full episode on

774
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: for sure. There's a new documentary out called Riotsville, USA

775
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: that popped up I believe in just September of this year.

776
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: Was this year, I think, so it's pretty recent and

777
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: this actually may have been where I got the idea.

778
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: I might have seen an article about this. But it's

779
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: really interesting because then we can get into the Kerner Commission,

780
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: which was basically this you know, in depth study of

781
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: history and data where they concluded that hey, um, social

782
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: welfare funding is is necessary in this country. UM. And

783
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't just as simple as like, hey, there's racism,

784
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: so we need social welfare funding. It's hey, the way

785
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: this country went and when everything happened with industrialization and

786
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: where people live and where African Americans were coming out

787
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: of Jim Crow like, it all aligned in this terrible

788
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: perfect storm and imperfect storm where uh, we need to

789
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: help take care of people a little bit more. And

790
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: this was all reversed, and I believe it was a

791
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: Johnson administration said Oh, actually, what we're gonna do is

792
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna take We're gonna divert all the money we

793
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: can towards making the United States military or i'm sorry,

794
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: police forces more like paramilitary forces and train them in

795
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, standing down these riots where people are asking

796
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: for you know, basic human needs, right right, And as

797
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: Ed points out, the fact that these two riots bills

798
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: were built basically shows like no, it's essentially the official

799
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: policy of the United States to like suppress protests brutally

800
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: often rather than actually addressed like the actual issues that

801
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: are causing unrest in the first place. So yeah, I

802
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: think that we should, um, we should do an episode

803
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: on that too. That's a great idea. Yeah, I want

804
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: to watch that doc because I think there's just a

805
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: lot more to it than an addendum here at the

806
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: end of this one, for sure. And if only Riotsville,

807
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: USA the documentary have been a book instead, that would

808
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: have been the ultimate button anonymous episode, you know, it

809
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: would have. I do want to mention a movie though,

810
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: Joel Schumacher made a movie called tiger Land, which was

811
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: the name of the training place in in Yeah, in Polk,

812
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: Louisiana where it's sort of simulated an Asian jungle environment.

813
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: Was Colin Farrell in tiger Land rated are coming to

814
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: a theater ten years ago? Yeah? Or more? Um, well,

815
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: you got anything else? I got nothing else. Well, since

816
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: Chuck evoked the name of Colin Farrell, that obviously means

817
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: it's time for a listener mail. All right, I'm gonna

818
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: call this a little more detail on our vinyl stereo exclamation,

819
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: explanation and exclamation I make dear mrs stuff. You said

820
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: in your episode on vinyl that stereo records are created

821
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: by cutting the left right audio on the left right

822
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: side of the record. Proove it's even more black magic

823
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: ey than that. An old technology g WHI shellac records.

824
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: The mono information was engraved from side to side with stereo.

825
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: The mono information is engraved in the same way, and

826
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: the side information is engraved up and down. Uh. This

827
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: is then, I know, I mean that's still I mean,

828
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: I can't even understand this. Uh. This is then turned

829
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: into the left right audio using a process called midside decoding,

830
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: which is basically duplicating the mid information phase, inverting it,

831
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: and then adding it together with the mid and other

832
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: side information. If that blew your mind as much as

833
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: it did me when I got it explained, check out

834
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: this article and this is uh. Uh just google sound

835
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: processing mid side stereo and that will probably answer right. Ah.

836
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: And that is from Marcus, who is also, by the way,

837
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: not satisfied with our description of compressed digital audio. Sorry Marcus,

838
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: but that is really interesting email. And it was one

839
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: of those things like every once in a while we'll

840
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: hear something from somebody and you just it almost like

841
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: hurts in your guts that you didn't know that thing,

842
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: or you didn't know it to that degree, you know

843
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you almost want to go back

844
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: and correct it somehow. Yeah, And we also should mention

845
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: we got a few emails from other audio file uh

846
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: people who also said, hey, you guys kind of glossed

847
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: over the digital audio compression because there's a bunch of

848
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: codex and ways of doing things. And uh, we also

849
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: got a not very nice email where someone was like,

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Speaker 1: you guys are playing your stuff wrong. Why bother? I

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Speaker 1: didn't notice that one. But I mean, it's not like

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Speaker 1: a how digital compression works episode. It was about final

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Speaker 1: give us a break, everybody. Those were the people I

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Speaker 1: beginning of the episode, and they didn't listen to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that this, I'll send you the email. Then that nice

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Speaker 1: guy he basically said, Josh, you Moneys will give away

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Speaker 1: your records to someone who can play him right, Okay. Cool,

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Speaker 1: And for the aspect of my record playing, so we're

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Speaker 1: doing it wrong, but hey, we're living our best life

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Speaker 1: and having a good time. Think as as my wife

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Speaker 1: would say, Oh never mind, I'm not gonna say that. Okay.

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Speaker 1: And that was from Marcus, right, that was from Marcus.

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Speaker 1: Marcus was fairly kind about it. Cool. Thanks a lot, Marcus.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for all the extra info. I mean, that's definitely

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Speaker 1: on listener mails. Adding info that we just didn't know

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Speaker 1: about in a nice way. Um, and if you want

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Speaker 1: to be like Marcus and send us some extra info

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Speaker 1: we didn't know about in a nice way, you can

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