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Speaker 1: I Am all in again. Oh that's just you.

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Speaker 2: I Am all in Town meeting with Suzanne French and

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Speaker 2: Tara suit An iHeartRadio podcast. Hey guys, welcome to another

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Speaker 2: episode of I'm All in Town Meeting with myself, Tara,

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Speaker 2: I'm Suzanne and Owned. We are on season one, episode sixteen, Starcross,

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Speaker 2: Lovers and Other Strangers, which aired on March eighth, two

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Speaker 2: thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: This is a big Dean episode.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot going on in this episode.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of background actors in this episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that whole opening scene, there's just all the stuff

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Speaker 3: going on in the background, all like everybody preparing while

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Speaker 3: Miss Patty was talking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also that the camera I was actually like

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Speaker 2: really in awe of the way that opening was up

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Speaker 2: until the the theme song. That was like all one

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Speaker 2: fluide like camera shot like through the whole town.

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Speaker 1: It was really well done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was good.

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Speaker 2: So whoever that director was shout out because it was.

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Speaker 2: And also just with Miss Patty like telling her story

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Speaker 2: over it all, it kind of like told the story

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Speaker 2: of of the episode.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was good. The story that she told,

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Speaker 3: though it contradicts the story that we get there when

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Speaker 3: the Stars Hollow Museum, So who knows what the real

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Speaker 3: story is.

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Speaker 2: Miss Patty can do no wrong. In my eyes, It's okay,

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Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta start by saying I am definitely

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Speaker 2: not team Dean. And it was funny because I have

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Speaker 2: a friend who just started what actually, she just finished

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Speaker 2: season seven, like she just finished the whole series for

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Speaker 2: the first time, and she was posting on her Instagram

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Speaker 2: and she was.

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Speaker 1: Like, I'm team Dean, and I was like, everyone has

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Speaker 1: their opinions.

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Speaker 2: And then I watched this episode right like this episode

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Speaker 2: right after, and I was just like, this is why.

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Speaker 1: I am not a fan of Dean.

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Speaker 2: And it's because when Rory felt a certain way and

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Speaker 2: couldn't say I love you, he got defensive and that

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Speaker 2: bugged me. It bugged me, and you know, I think

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Speaker 2: I can't remember if he said it or she said

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Speaker 2: it of like, you know, my parents and this and that,

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Speaker 2: and like she doesn't come from a perfect family and

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Speaker 2: that word that I love.

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Speaker 1: You is very hard for her.

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Speaker 2: And he didn't accept that and he got mad, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I think Dean has.

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Speaker 1: A lot of good moments, but for.

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Speaker 2: Me, this is why I cannot say I am the

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Speaker 2: biggest Dean fan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I agree, this is this was her

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Speaker 3: first boyfriend, it's her first relationship like that. That's a

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Speaker 3: big step as a sixteen year old. It's a big

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Speaker 3: step to say that to somebody. And and it you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not her fault. It it caught her off guard.

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Speaker 3: She was already off guard because it was like, here's

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Speaker 3: this car I'm making you like it dumps her off

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Speaker 3: for access a little bit, and you know, it just

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Speaker 3: it just surprised her. And and you know, Dean, I'm

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Speaker 3: kind of on the fence. I mean, he's sixteen also

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Speaker 3: and so he didn't have the greatest reaction, but he's

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Speaker 3: also not you know, an adult either, and so I

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Speaker 3: think both of them kind of just reacted differently than

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Speaker 3: an adult would have reacted. But I didn't think that

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Speaker 3: he needed to get mad at her over it. And

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Speaker 3: that was so I agree with you on that. Like

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Speaker 3: it's he's like, you know, it's what did he say

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Speaker 3: something like either you do or you don't, And it's like, well.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, don't get on a yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: And it just I didn't think that was fair to her.

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Speaker 1: No any like jumped.

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Speaker 2: It's like kind of like jumped at her like it

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Speaker 2: was kind of like, so you don't love me, and

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Speaker 2: she's like, that's what I'm saying. I'm just not like

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Speaker 2: loves a good romance movie or show, I gotta say

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Speaker 2: I do appreciate the writing because it's very rare that

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Speaker 2: you see someone stand up for like what they believe

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Speaker 2: like in a lot of I mean I guess also

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Speaker 2: in life, people say it back because you were just like, oh,

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Speaker 2: well they.

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Speaker 1: Said it to me, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And I do appreciate the writing that it really showed

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Speaker 2: them kind of explaining who Rory is and she's putting

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Speaker 2: and I really respect Rory in that. Now, obviously it

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Speaker 2: but which also is messed up. And I will say

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Speaker 2: I kind of laughed. What was the song playing in

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Speaker 2: the in the dumpster wherever the hell they were.

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Speaker 3: Oh, in the in the junk yard. It was a

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Speaker 3: John Lennon.

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Speaker 1: Song, got it.

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Speaker 2: I was like listening to it, I was like, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what song this says?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I looked it up and I forgot the title already,

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Speaker 3: but it was a John Lennon song from nineteen seventy one.

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Speaker 2: In my head, I was like, if my first boyfriend

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Speaker 2: just took me to a random junk yard, I would

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Speaker 2: literally be terrified.

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Speaker 1: I would think I'm getting murdered. I mean, mind you.

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Speaker 2: She trusts Dean, but I was like the way they

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Speaker 2: like banned out and you just see like it's literally.

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Speaker 1: Just trash, and I'm like, yeah, this is where you

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Speaker 1: get murdered, right, and it's dark.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was.

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Speaker 2: But I will say, like his gesture meant well, I

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Speaker 2: don't think like he meant like ill intent and like, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, trying to control her.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I mean I think I get that

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Speaker 3: he was disappointed that she couldn't reciprocate that, but like,

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, he didn't need to get defensive

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Speaker 3: teenagers don't know how to have like a reasonable discussion yet,

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Speaker 3: so you know, they're emotional and hormonal, so maybe that's why.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I will say the very last scene when

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Speaker 2: like really it was really well done, like the way

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Speaker 2: and Laurel I is just sitting in the dark and

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Speaker 2: she first of all her calling Max like the biggest

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Speaker 2: like she's rotating between three guys through this. I mean,

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Speaker 2: she is like, it's Luke, Max, Christopher, right, and it's

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Speaker 2: all within like three episodes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to go back and see when was

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Speaker 3: the last time that we saw Max, and it was

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Speaker 3: actually episode eleven Paris is Burning, So they had the

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Speaker 3: they decided they agreed to take a break from each other.

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Speaker 3: So that was the last time we saw Max.

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Speaker 1: So it's been like roughly a month.

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Speaker 3: Two months, Yeah, probably two if you include Christmas in that,

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Speaker 3: I guess we're supposed to think that because of all

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Speaker 2: But speaking of sing that scene with Chad Michael Murray

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Speaker 2: have felt so uncomfortable, like being Liza or Alexis filming

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Speaker 2: It was just like it was so like, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was funny, And that that actress was.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh she was. She also moved over to Yeah maybe.

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Speaker 3: Maybe she was a brainiac too, but yeah, she was

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Speaker 3: one of the girls that they were painting their nails

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Speaker 1: She was like the first episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, oh funny, but yeah, they probably like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as a guess.

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Speaker 2: Did you notice the boom mic that was very obvious

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Speaker 3: Yes, when she got up to call Emily.

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Speaker 2: It also freaked me out because I thought something was

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Speaker 1: That's how like jarring that one was.

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Speaker 2: But because it like she stands up and then it's

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Speaker 3: Even my husband noticed that when he's like, whoa, did

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Speaker 1: That was the first time.

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Speaker 2: That was the first one I noticed this whole season.

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Speaker 1: But it was like very jarring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and because it dipped like way into the picture.

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Speaker 1: Again, I thought something fell from her ceiling.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna hit her in her head.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did notice. There was a scene when they

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Speaker 3: were in the town square. The there's a blue stroller

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Speaker 3: light blue stroller, and somebody was pushing it with a

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Speaker 1: Oh, the fake baby is started.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the rubber baby, rubber baby. And then that same

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Speaker 3: scene she's making it. I think she was making a joke.

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Speaker 3: Maybe she wasn't, Maybe she was serious. She was talking

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Speaker 3: about putting stars hollow on a septic system or getting

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Speaker 3: and that they called back to that in the revival.

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Speaker 3: There was like that's oh, like it was like a

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Speaker 3: b or C story about Taylor trying to get Luke

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Speaker 3: to sign off on the super installations.

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Speaker 2: So all those years later, Yeah, it took for a while,

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Speaker 2: like fifteen years more.

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Speaker 3: So what do we think about Rachel?

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Speaker 1: She kind of bugs me?

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Speaker 3: You know, I liked her.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, I don't think dislike her. I think

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Speaker 2: there's just something that bugged me of her, just like

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Speaker 2: showing up and she's like, I'm here, you know what.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what bugged me.

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Speaker 3: I did think it was rather presumptuous for her to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, roll out the red carpet, Like what Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I did? I do agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I just I don't know it was I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I just as much as all these guys

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Speaker 1: You gotta get ready to go to Luke's. And she's

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Speaker 2: The cliffhanger wasn't a giveaway enough, But all right, we'll

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Speaker 2: see you next week meeting adjourn. Everybody, and don't forget

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