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Speaker 2: Paul Sinclair, I know what you mean when you talk
Speaker 2: about the stigma that comes attached with the ideas of
Speaker 2: where wolves. People will say, ah, that's just something that
Speaker 2: Hollywood made up, when in fact, where wolves wear, cats,
Speaker 2: shape shifters, things of that sort that those have been
Speaker 2: reported throughout human civilization, throughout human history pretty much everywhere.
Speaker 2: I mean, the oldest petroglyph in the world shows a
Speaker 2: shape shifter, and as you document in your film Wolf Lands,
Speaker 2: the idea of shape shifters in that particular area East
Speaker 2: Yorkshire has been around as long as people have been there, right,
Speaker 2: It's very concentrated there.
Speaker 3: It really is. You know, when you start feeling back
Speaker 3: the layers, George, and you realize that this do we
Speaker 3: call it a phenomena. It's real. It's very real, and
Speaker 3: it's been here all of the time, and it's come
Speaker 3: through the generations and come through over hundreds of years.
Speaker 3: It seems to resurface. Unlike I touched on earlier, is
Speaker 3: that just because you've got someone in the area a
Speaker 3: little bit more interested stroke dedicated. I don't know, if
Speaker 3: you go back and over one hundred and twenty years
Speaker 3: in a tiny village in North Yorkshire. And there's not
Speaker 3: a lot separate separating eastern North you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm only probably twelve miles from the border of North Yorkshire,
Speaker 3: not even that. But there was a writer and researcher
Speaker 3: called Howard Breally and I found it in an old
Speaker 3: archive whilst looking through old documents in the Bridlington Library.
Speaker 3: And Howard Breally wrote about what he called the bar Guest,
Speaker 3: a huge fur covered hound with huge glowing red eyes
Speaker 3: that frequented, that haunted the forests and mus of North Yorkshire.
Speaker 3: And what's interesting he lived in East Eyton and I
Speaker 3: touched on the forest of Ness apologies, I touched on
Speaker 3: the forest of Broxa earlier. And in between Broxa and
Speaker 3: East Ayton you've got Hackness, which is the heart of
Speaker 3: the Forge Valley. And when you when you go into
Speaker 3: Hackneys it's literally four miles from East Stayton. So this
Speaker 3: man one hundred and twenty years ago is talking about this,
Speaker 3: he's obviously got some knowledge of it, and those probably
Speaker 3: ancient texts and those there's I don't know, maybe oral
Speaker 3: stories that have gone to the grave with people way
Speaker 3: back then, but he had knowledge of it back then,
Speaker 3: the bar guest of East Dayton. And it's literally four
Speaker 3: miles from the entrance to the Forge Valley, which is Hacknes. Incidentally,
Speaker 3: Hackneys used to be called hat Chanos, which means with
Speaker 3: the whiskers. Quite where that fits into everything, George, I
Speaker 3: don't know, but it's an interesting name.
Speaker 2: Well, the Hamniby, this little settlement, Humnaby, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: It's translated into Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's hund meaning hound, hund. So you'll find a lot
Speaker 3: of people in eastern North Yorkshire. They've they've got their
Speaker 3: own dialects, so they'll say a hund and but it
Speaker 3: actually means a hound or a dog, so you've got
Speaker 3: hunded man, so you've got hound man. So when you
Speaker 3: put them together, b hundman Bey is a village. Incidentally,
Speaker 3: it's two miles from Flixton, which is the place where
Speaker 3: we talk about the Flixton werewolf. And there's nothing in
Speaker 3: between Hunmanby and Flixton. There's just barren land. There's woodland
Speaker 3: and open land. The wolves which in ancient text means
Speaker 3: the wilds. So you've got hundman Mey hundman By George,
Speaker 3: which literally means farmstead of the hound Man. Yet I've
Speaker 3: not created this to fit it in nicely into the
Speaker 3: documentary Wolfland. These ingredients are already there for me. And
Speaker 3: it's so fast because in between Flixton and huntmanby Armstead
Speaker 3: of the hound Man, you've got a hill that you
Speaker 3: branch off from Flixton and go this hill, and it's
Speaker 3: called Whitegate Hill. The amount of reports that I've got
Speaker 3: from Whitegate Hill is uncanny of a upright by peedal
Speaker 3: creature that's jumped into the road in front of two
Speaker 3: ladies driving home. They haven't gone on film. I've got
Speaker 3: their story and we do hope to get them in
Speaker 3: the next documentary. Obviously the driving they've not been drinking.
Speaker 3: It's took them by surprise. It They're going down white
Speaker 3: Gate Hill towards Flixton and this thing jumps into the
Speaker 3: road and they saw it for a split second. I
Speaker 3: don't think these things are by chance, George. You've got
Speaker 3: all that open countryside, you've got all that woodland, Yet
Speaker 3: suddenly something jumps in front of somebody's car and then
Speaker 3: springs off. She said everything looked or they said apologies
Speaker 3: there they said everything looked wrong about this, yet it
Speaker 3: moves so fast. He was very lean as well. I'm
Speaker 3: told there's another story, and I've called this the twig Man,
Speaker 3: and it came from October twenty se October twenty sixth,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. And once again we've got a guy
Speaker 3: who was driving from a nearby village called Muston. And
Speaker 3: once again we're only three miles from Flixton, two miles
Speaker 3: from Hummumby. Muston used to be called Moonstone. There was
Speaker 3: a large stone there many many years ago. But he's
Speaker 3: driving there in the night, I think. He said. The
Speaker 3: time was just before nine pm, about fifty miles an hour,
Speaker 3: and he said, in his peripheral vision he caught a
Speaker 3: glimpse of something stood at the side of the road,
Speaker 3: and as he approached it, its immediately set off running
Speaker 3: and was teething up with the car, which is not
Speaker 3: possible at fifty miles an hour. Fifth fifty to sixty,
Speaker 3: I think, is what he said. He said, he's fiddling
Speaker 3: with the full beam, and he put the full beam
Speaker 3: on his car and toret a glimpse of this thing,
Speaker 3: which he thought when he saw it in his peripheral
Speaker 3: it was he thought it was covered in twigs. He
Speaker 3: thought it was just a huge upright bipeople whatever. He
Speaker 3: doesn't know how to describe it covered in twigs. Now
Speaker 3: he believes it was mattered air. He said it kept
Speaker 3: up with his car for about ten seconds. He said,
Speaker 3: I'm still messing with the lights and shot by what
Speaker 3: I've seen, and he just diverted and just ran away
Speaker 3: into the onto what's called flixton star car. That once
Speaker 3: again the ancient lake bed where the people from the
Speaker 3: Mesolithic times, I said to a practiced shaman in stick
Speaker 3: magic and sacrifice. So all the ingredients are there, and
Speaker 3: everything seems to be linked. And you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: bending these stories George to fit a narrative. The it's
Speaker 3: just a it's perfect. It's like he's just fitted together.
Speaker 3: It's just I've found it fascinating.
Speaker 2: There's one of the stories that you come back to
Speaker 2: through the film. You go camping with these guys who
Speaker 2: had had an experience. You go back to the location
Speaker 2: this down in this ravine. It's almost pretty claustrophobic. They
Speaker 2: were down there, there's no way they could really get
Speaker 2: out in a hurry. But what did they see down
Speaker 2: there that just scared the Bejesus out of them.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, these are the guys that planned their wild camp.
Speaker 3: They do it two or three times a year. There
Speaker 3: was three of them, only two would go on film.
Speaker 3: And they contacted me, George. I mean, obviously I would
Speaker 3: not know these stories unless people had and I'll get
Speaker 3: into that. But momentarily, when Steve first contacted me, and
Speaker 3: he'll not mind me saying this, he broke down in tears.
Speaker 3: Nobody to speak to apart from Jim, who had witnessed
Speaker 3: it with him, and as he says in wolf Lands,
Speaker 3: he'd not even told his wife. And they drove from
Speaker 3: a place called Roderm, which would be about one hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty miles away, And they drove to a place
Speaker 3: and parked up at a place called Reesti Bank, which
Speaker 3: in essence, the word Reesti means rancid and disgusting play.
Speaker 3: There's nothing smelly about it. White's called that, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And then from there they went on foot into the
Speaker 3: forest of brocks A and descended into a ravine. It's
Speaker 3: a seven to eight hundred foot ravine. We've spent time
Speaker 3: down in there, as you said, And when they went
Speaker 3: in that night. They went in quite late, and they
Speaker 3: didn't know the correct route, so in some places they
Speaker 3: had to go down on the bottoms because it was
Speaker 3: so steep. There's actually another path where it's very steep,
Speaker 3: but you can still make access without doing that. Now,
Speaker 3: Witness number three, as we'll call him, hasn't gone on film.
Speaker 3: This is the interesting part for me, the more paranormal
Speaker 3: aspect to it, when they got down there and started
Speaker 3: setting up camp, because these guys weren't interested in unexplained phenomena.
Speaker 3: All they wanted to do. They were again the River
Speaker 3: dare Went, which runs in the bottom of this ravine.
Speaker 3: All they wanted to do was just relax and having
Speaker 3: an incredible weekend. There's three guys together just in the wilds,
Speaker 3: and Witness number three said, I don't like it. We've
Speaker 3: got to go. There's something watching now, Steve said. He said,
Speaker 3: it were getting dark. We'd already struggled to get down there,
Speaker 3: and there were no way we were getting up in
Speaker 3: the night. And he's getting more and more nervous, so
Speaker 3: to the point where they think he's gonna go on
Speaker 3: his own, he said. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: he's the witness number three said, look over there, and
Speaker 3: in the darkness, the huge pair of amber eyes lit up.
Speaker 3: These eyes just glowing in the darkness. As Jim said,
Speaker 3: he said, no torch on them. The firelight wasn't illuminating them.
Speaker 3: And I went back on my own, you know. Well,
Speaker 3: I went back with a friend and we measured it.
Speaker 3: It was forty two feet away. I took a surveyor's tape,
Speaker 3: and because I had already camped in the area with
Speaker 3: these guys, I knew exactly where it appeared and where
Speaker 3: they were sat. And in the end, Jim and Steve
Speaker 3: were so concerned that their friend were going to go
Speaker 3: running off into the darkness that Jim stood up and
Speaker 3: walked towards this whatever it was. He said. It was
Speaker 3: about three off the ground, But he said, but the
Speaker 3: eyes were huge, as big as his fists, and human
Speaker 3: shaped and an amber, he said. And I couldn't think
Speaker 3: of an animal to assign these eyes to. Those were
Speaker 3: his exact words, he said. So I stood up, made
Speaker 3: a few hissing and showing sounds, and it disappeared. So
Speaker 3: I turned back round to the guys, to my friends,
Speaker 3: and suddenly their jaws they dropped, he said, and I
Speaker 3: realized something was wrong, he said, So when I turned back,
Speaker 3: he said, I just couldn't believe what I was looking at.
Speaker 3: He says, from being three foot off the ground, these
Speaker 3: eyes were now seven foot in the air, and I
Speaker 3: could see the outline of this. What they said was
Speaker 3: aware wolf, as crazy as that might sound for people.
Speaker 3: And you know, George, it's not just that. Steve said,
Speaker 3: if you'd have asked me to draw that aware wolf
Speaker 3: sketch it, I wouldn't have drawn that. He said. It
Speaker 3: was ridiculous. He said, everything about it looked ridiculous. He said.
Speaker 3: You could see these monstrous shoulders, he said, and I
Speaker 3: very so often it would turn to the right and
Speaker 3: they could see this muzzle that looked exaggerated so long,
Speaker 3: and Steve admits, and you know, I don't mind using
Speaker 3: the names, because these guys have been happy enough to
Speaker 3: go on film, and what they've said, what I'm saying
Speaker 3: now is nothing that they've not said on film. He said.
Speaker 3: He watched us all night, he said. In the end,
Speaker 3: he said, I wanted it to be over, and I
Speaker 3: wasn't bothered how it ended. It was so frightening, he said,
Speaker 3: I couldn't even look at it, yet I could still
Speaker 3: see the glowing eyes in my peripheral and he said
Speaker 3: it was absolutely terrifying. And daylight started to seep through,
Speaker 3: and it had gone, but had it gone because their
Speaker 3: friends said, it's still here. He's still here. And as
Speaker 3: they're packing the things up and walking out of the
Speaker 3: forest as hastily as they can, he's still telling them
Speaker 3: it's there. And then they got to a certain point
Speaker 3: in the forest, he says, we're all right now he's gone.
Speaker 3: And there's another element to that, George, that I didn't
Speaker 3: add during the night, when it was watching them, when
Speaker 3: they're all huddled together and frightened, Witness number three said,
Speaker 3: he doesn't want you here. It wants you to go.
Speaker 3: So that implies to me and Jimmy and Steve hadn't
Speaker 3: picked up on it and all that. And I know
Speaker 3: we'll never know, because I don't think they've spoken to
Speaker 3: him about It's troubled him so much that this thing
Speaker 3: somehow was communicating with him. He says, he doesn't want
Speaker 3: you to be. He wants you to go. Jim he says,
Speaker 3: he said in Yorkshire dialect, and the which means and
Speaker 3: you and the Steve it wants you to go. It
Speaker 3: doesn't want you here. So how did he perceive that?
Speaker 3: How did he know that that creature, whatever it was,
Speaker 3: was watching him. There's definitely some element that takes these
Speaker 3: things over and above your standard flesh and blood, bone
Speaker 3: and skin animal for me, And I know not everybody's
Speaker 3: going to agree, but that's the way I look at it. George.
Speaker 2: I'm going to play a little clip, one clip that
Speaker 2: you provided to us from the film. It's it's one
Speaker 2: of the witnesses. You can tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: filling some details on the other side of it, but
Speaker 2: we're going to play that now, Michael.
Speaker 4: So, as I'm settling down, I hear a noise over
Speaker 4: to the left. It's a good distance to where, twenty
Speaker 4: thirty meters away. I've heard this noise in the brush.
Speaker 4: It sounds like an animal, but it sounded like a
Speaker 4: relatively big something decent size.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then I've become aware that the atmosphere has changed sort of.
Speaker 4: I can't hear the waves anymore. I can't really hear
Speaker 4: any any wind, insect noises pretty much gone.
Speaker 3: It's just still.
Speaker 4: It's like someone's pressed pause. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: I get an anxiety that's sort of started to come
Speaker 4: over me. I'm looking over to direction where the noise
Speaker 4: has come from originally, and I can hear something in
Speaker 4: that area, but it's coming towards me. It's I can
Speaker 4: hear a bubbom of sort of footsteps, but I couldn't
Speaker 4: pick any footsteps out, real heavy footsteps, really heavy. But
Speaker 4: it was the atmosphere that came with it. It was
Speaker 4: like it was like a train was charging at me,
Speaker 4: or a group of race orses. Something was coming towards me.
Speaker 3: Need to stress here. You don't come up in these
Speaker 3: areas and experience anything like this usually, no, never before.
Speaker 4: I've sat here all night long, not heard anything, not
Speaker 4: being bothered, not being nervous about anything. It's darker here,
Speaker 4: but that doesn't worry me at all. It's strange that
Speaker 4: something would bother me. But it was almost like the
Speaker 4: anxiety in me just switched on from where. I can't
Speaker 4: tell you proper fear. I was terrified. I was absolutely terrified.
Speaker 2: Well, you've heard that description from multiple witnesses that you
Speaker 2: interview for this film, as somehow these creatures tap into
Speaker 2: the brain into the flight or fight response, and the
Speaker 2: fear is exaggerated and immediate.
Speaker 3: Right, that's correct, As he says, he went from zero
Speaker 3: to ten. It's kind of in an instant. And anybody
Speaker 3: who watches the film and sees this guy, gazz that's
Speaker 3: his first name, will we'll realize that it's quite a
Speaker 3: formidable looking guy, a really nice man as well, to
Speaker 3: be honest with you. But he'd gone up to a
Speaker 3: place called Scolby Mills, which is on the edge of
Speaker 3: the North Sea, and he'd gone to tryumph film and
Speaker 3: get photographs of the Northern Lights. And it's a remote place,
Speaker 3: quite remote on this cliff top. And this is one
Speaker 3: of the instances where he didn't actually see anything, but
Speaker 3: this this terror impressed itself upon him. And as he says,
Speaker 3: he first of all, he could hear movement in the
Speaker 3: brush a distance away, and he's sort of focused on that,
Speaker 3: and then he can hear heavy footsteps, bipedal footsteps coming
Speaker 3: towards him. What the if would have played a little
Speaker 3: bit more of that, George would he would have said
Speaker 3: that when the fear hit him, this wave of fear,
Speaker 3: and he said, it was almost as though someone had
Speaker 3: pressed pause. I loved his analogy, he said, because the
Speaker 3: sound of the sea, the sound of the seabirds, and
Speaker 3: anybody who was looking near the coast who was listening
Speaker 3: to this will know that the seabirds don't switch off
Speaker 3: in the night, that they've got better eyes than owls,
Speaker 3: to be honest, George, They're absolutely amazing, flying everywhere. And
Speaker 3: he said, but everything stopped like someone had pressed pause,
Speaker 3: and he could feel this pressure in the air and
Speaker 3: this thing coming towards him. And he said, I dropped
Speaker 3: into the fetal position, and I expected to get whacked,
Speaker 3: was his exact words. He expected to get something was
Speaker 3: gonna hit him. As soon as he felt like it
Speaker 3: was upon him, everything just snapped back to normal, and
Speaker 3: the experience it was as if it had never happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy is a big, tough looking guy, and
Speaker 2: he says, I felt like I was a five year
Speaker 2: old kid. I was absolutely terrified.
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