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Speaker 6: to recap what was a pretty memorable UFC fight night

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Speaker 6: and return to ABC. Ken Blow, I know my yellow

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Speaker 6: jacket was too big, kid, I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 7: Lett, can we get John Annick a fitted can we

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Speaker 7: can we just measure the guy and get them a

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Speaker 7: fitted ABC coat?

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Speaker 1: Please?

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Speaker 7: Come on?

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Speaker 6: All right, Ken Flow, one of hundreds of people who

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Speaker 6: took issue with the fit of my jacket. And hey, candidly,

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Speaker 6: when I'm on the back in the dressing room, I'm like,

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Speaker 6: oh man.

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Speaker 7: This thing's fucking huge. What are you gonna do?

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Speaker 6: But I kind of knew the day before, but I

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Speaker 6: had a T shirt on and then, you know, I

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Speaker 6: don't know, maybe it would have helped if I didn't

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Speaker 6: run that morning, right, But basically, eighteen months ago, I

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Speaker 6: went to our chief ESPNMMA executive Glenn Jacobs. I think

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Speaker 6: I sent him an image that a fan had created

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Speaker 6: of me and Daniel Cormier and the gold Jackets after

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Speaker 6: they were retrotted out for Monday Night football, and I said,

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Speaker 6: you know, I'm trying to get mixed martial Arts and

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Speaker 6: the UFC to get recognized like those sports. So to me,

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Speaker 6: if anyone saw my reaction when I was presented with

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Speaker 6: this jacket, this is a huge win for mixed martial

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Speaker 6: arts to be able to be acknowledged in that way

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Speaker 6: to let us, you know, honor those that have come

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Speaker 6: before us in the broadcasting world, ABC wide, world of sports,

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Speaker 6: Jimm CKay and everybody else, you know, Frank Gifford, Monday

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Speaker 6: Night football folks. But I did think that when it

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Speaker 6: was presented to us that maybe there was going to

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Speaker 6: be a tailor or something like that, you know, But

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Speaker 6: it is what it is. I'm worth the whole goddamn time,

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Speaker 6: and I really want to thank Glenn and everybody, Elizabeth

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Speaker 6: on the ESPNMMA staff and everybody that made that possible.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, you know, I got half the

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Speaker 6: fan base coming at me. Didn't necessarily mean I I'm

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Speaker 6: just kidding.

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Speaker 7: Was that What was that was that DC's like backup coat?

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Speaker 7: Was that?

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Speaker 8: What it was?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 7: They made two for DC? And like, oh yeah, John,

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Speaker 7: here here's one thing I.

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Speaker 6: Know, dude, And handily, when I look at the images,

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Speaker 6: I'm like, holy that is big. I can get it

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Speaker 6: right now and put it on. But I wanted to

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Speaker 7: No, that's fatass, dude, that's awesome. I just want you

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Speaker 7: to get a nice fitted coat, like your pristine suits

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Speaker 7: that you typically Well.

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Speaker 6: I'm literally taking that ABC blazer to my guy Mark

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Speaker 6: Russell here in West Poker. It's on Florida. He's going

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Speaker 6: to cut it up, you know, with one of those

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Speaker 6: uh you know, modern era fits. It's amazing, like a

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Speaker 6: modern suit, the way it comes on you, the way

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Speaker 6: some of these guys, the really elite tailors. It doesn't

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Speaker 6: come on your back, It like comes down on top

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Speaker 6: of your fucking shoulders.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 6: I feel like sometimes I look like a goop with

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Speaker 6: the pants like halfway up my shin. But Kemplough was

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Speaker 6: ahead of his time doing that in like two thousand

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Speaker 6: and seven. So yep, kid walking into fashion forward. Kenny

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Speaker 6: is very fat forward, folks. By the way, this is

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Speaker 6: not how I intended to leave the show. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 6: UFC Fight Night Ortega versus Rodriguez. What a memorable live event,

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Speaker 6: brand new arena there in Elmont, New York, and everything

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Speaker 6: was going swimmingly until this shoulder injury, But I think

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Speaker 6: there's a lot more to it than maybe meets the eye.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, you're Rodriguez over Brian t CITY or Tega

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Speaker 6: TKO due to a shoulder injury at four to eleven

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Speaker 6: and everything else.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, listen, I thought it was really heating up to

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Speaker 7: be a great fight. Both men, as expected, were moving forward,

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Speaker 7: were aggressive, We're staying busy. We're showing their heart and

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Speaker 7: their determination and their skill right from the outset. So

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Speaker 7: I was super excited about the fight as it was

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Speaker 7: funky situation. It was actually a pretty beautiful takedown by

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Speaker 7: Brian Ortega that was initiated up against the cage Yaier.

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Speaker 7: Rodriguez had one of those arms wrapped up in a

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Speaker 7: very tight overhook. As he was trying to defend the takedown,

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Speaker 7: Ortega got on top and as Ortega was almost trying

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Speaker 7: He had one knee across so didn't have one leg

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Speaker 7: He was framing and pushing away on Ortega as Ortega

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Speaker 7: that Yayer had the arm wrapped, you could see that

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Speaker 7: his arm was kind of twisted similar to an americana

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Speaker 7: and not the elbow. Can affect the elbow a little bit,

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Speaker 7: but primarily the pressure is on the shoulder. As Ortega

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Speaker 7: a weak shoulder already, his shoulder dislocated. Now I think

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Speaker 7: it should be a submission for y for ya year

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Speaker 7: Why Well, yes, Ortega's shoulder was probably compromised, but I

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Speaker 7: don't think that dislocation would have happened without that attempt

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Speaker 7: at the armlock from Yayir Rodriguez. Now, typically that is

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Speaker 7: not a submission that is often finished, right, just like

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Speaker 7: one that is not finished. But it was finished. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 7: I had a shoulder separation that I dealt with for

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Speaker 7: probably a year and a half two years, uh, and

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Speaker 7: little things would cause it to come out of place.

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Speaker 7: I didn't have any medical insurance at the time and

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Speaker 7: just had to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 7: I know he's had surgeries on that shoulder. But again,

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Speaker 7: it didn't happen because Ortega threw a punch and his

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Speaker 7: shoulder came out of place. Like what happened with Korean Zombie.

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Speaker 7: It was a direct result of what Yayir was doing

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Speaker 7: to Brian Ortega. So that's why I I would argue

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Speaker 7: that it was a submission when for Yayre, as as weird.

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Speaker 6: As it was, you articulated it beautifully. And I'm going

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Speaker 6: to read the text message that you sent me, and

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Speaker 6: I do wonder, by the way, if the roles were reversed,

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Speaker 6: and if these guys weren't great friends, if Brian Ortega

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Speaker 6: you know, this was an arm entanglement.

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Speaker 7: And but Kenny texted me that that was a subdude.

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Speaker 6: Arm entanglement caused the dislocation in my humble opinion wasn't

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Speaker 6: an easy one to notice, but definitely seemed to cause

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Speaker 6: which of course is neither here nor there. But Yaier

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Speaker 6: didn't say anything really about this postfight. I don't believe,

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Speaker 6: I fucking may the grip was tight on my arm

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Speaker 6: and it dislocated.

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Speaker 7: That was it.

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Speaker 6: No armlock, know nothing. It was dislocated. Freak accident, and

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Speaker 6: it just sucks. First time it's ever happened in my career.

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Speaker 6: Just taken aback by it. I do think there's more

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Speaker 6: to it than that, you know, I feel horribly obviously

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Speaker 6: for Brian Ortega. There was a torn labrihm in that

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Speaker 6: right shoulder. But to your point, you know, this is

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Speaker 6: all part of the game, right durability. You know, Sean

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Speaker 6: O'Malley will be criticized for his lack of durability at times.

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Speaker 6: You know, people certainly don't want to criticize Brian Ortega,

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Speaker 6: who has already had multiple shoulder surgeries and might need

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Speaker 6: another one. What are your thoughts on what Brian has

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Speaker 6: they'll proceed given this sort of weird result.

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Speaker 7: It's tough because there's a lot of motions going on

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Speaker 7: when you're in something like that, and the fight was

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Speaker 7: going his way there as he initiated the takedown, and

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Speaker 7: then the fight was over immediately after that. That's got

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Speaker 7: to be a hard pill to swallow after putting it

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Speaker 7: in so much work for a camp like Ortega has

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Speaker 7: and dealing with those shoulder injuries. But I think the

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Speaker 7: key phrase, if I were to take it out out

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Speaker 7: of that would be the grip was tight on my arm. Right.

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Speaker 7: The grip was tight on my arm indicates that he

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Speaker 7: couldn't remove the arm on his free will, right, Yayir

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Speaker 7: was ing that arm up, so to me, that indicates that,

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Speaker 7: you know, he didn't think it was an armlock, but

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Speaker 7: it was. It was wrapped tight around his shoulder. He

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Speaker 7: went to rip it out and he I guess injured himself.

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Speaker 7: But again, with any submission, there has to be two

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Speaker 7: He's a savage, he really is. I'm surprised. I'm surprised

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Speaker 9: Now, let me tell you something. I had an absolutely

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Speaker 9: Everybody loves the buff, right, John, he was a big.

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Speaker 6: Pass some of the best it's food I have had

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Speaker 6: You got to meet Cody Merrow for the first time. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's crazy, right, Like we know each other and talking

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Speaker 6: obviously on a weekly basis. It wasn't that many hours ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Turn around, he's doing sit ups, he's curing. I don't

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Speaker 9: It was like eleven o'clock at night, a guy who

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Speaker 7: I thought John and Bruce were going to have a

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Speaker 8: I signed.

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Speaker 5: Then n DA, so let's move on.

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Speaker 6: Okay, but he did have a starring session. You can

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Speaker 9: But I tell you, Kenny, they rolled out the red

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 6: I walked into this restaurant and you'd think he's the Godfather.

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Speaker 9: And yes, I'll tell you but shout out, shouting, shout

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Speaker 1: The food was outstanding. I don't I don't even eat

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Speaker 9: Man, it was crazy, but I couldn't stop eating, that's

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Speaker 7: It was It was really good.

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Speaker 6: Uh and so was this UFC fight and that a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a mistake, I guess. But here's the deal.

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Speaker 9: Fighting on the contender, right, So it was like the

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Speaker 9: And you have to show them that you have to

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Speaker 9: what I look like an idiot? Yeah, like all of

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Speaker 1: And that's it. That's the way it rolls.

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Speaker 6: Dennis Bazuka July twenty six that the UFC Apex.

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Speaker 1: Followed Yes, Dennis Bazuka next week from Tuesday and followed

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Speaker 6: So we got before the fight for you on Sunday,

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Speaker 9: Oh, I'm not even touching that draw for the hotel.

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Speaker 1: I'm not touching. We have Al Joe's house too, Al

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, so let us dive in a little bit.

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Speaker 6: It sounds like a bigger deal for you and your

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Speaker 6: is she. It seems like you guys infested. You know,

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Speaker 1: You gotta keep gotta keep it real, John, you know.

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Speaker 6: All right, Well, let us get into this because we

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Speaker 6: I'd like to see both of them get a championship opportunity,

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Speaker 6: But I think it's kind of weird to do an interim.

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Speaker 6: But what were your thoughts on the main event? Because

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Speaker 1: Uh oh, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, what was it? He was pulling out

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a tricky thing in terms of, you know,

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Speaker 9: Well, listen, I wouldn't have an issue with it no

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but then yeah, it's just easier said than done.

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Speaker 1: I I watched it when I got home. Yeah, wow,

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Speaker 9: The incredible part was the way he his lights kind

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Speaker 9: It wasn't like he showed up until maybe the end.

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Speaker 6: You know, Cody all fucking night and he bet on

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Speaker 7: mean I talked to Cody about the same thing. Listen.

435
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Speaker 7: I think he was hurt, he was rock but again,

436
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Speaker 7: the result kind of indicates that they just top the fight, right,

437
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,199
Speaker 7: I mean Schnelle was able to come back. He he

438
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 7: did recover well enough. Sumo instantly didn't put him out

439
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Speaker 7: enough to where I would say, Okay, get the heck

440
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Speaker 7: in there. Ref. He he allowed him to survive, you

441
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 7: know that that ref You know, I've seen some issues

442
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Speaker 7: with him in the past. I didn't have a problem,

443
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Speaker 7: uh with this call in this I thought Schnell showed

444
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 7: an insane amount of heart coming back like he did,

445
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 7: and he exposed Summa Darja. You know that. That was

446
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,199
Speaker 7: one of the things we talked about last week. And

447
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 7: Summer Dargen is a tremendous striker, has a lot of

448
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Speaker 7: power for that weight class, but boy is he basic

449
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Speaker 7: on the ground. And Schnell just completely exposed him there.

450
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Speaker 7: But what a fight do? That was nuts?

451
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Speaker 9: Yeah, And I'll tell you, Joe to me, the visual

452
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 9: of like when he got elbowed, that visual was brutal,

453
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Speaker 9: but it was a split second and then he was

454
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Speaker 9: back like it was.

455
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Speaker 1: That was the weird point. It was like two extremes.

456
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Speaker 9: The visual of him buckling was huge, but then he

457
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 9: got back just as quick, so you couldn't really you

458
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Speaker 9: could stop it if you wanted to say, I don't

459
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Speaker 9: like the way he's buckling after those shots, but he

460
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Speaker 9: definitely as far as recovering and doing what they tell you,

461
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 9: what the ruffle tell you, if you keep moving, if

462
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 9: you listen to my commands, I'm not going to stop

463
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Speaker 9: the fight.

464
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Speaker 1: He one check that box off, right.

465
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Speaker 6: So this like shades of Darren Elkins Mersad Bechtich for me,

466
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 6: just the rally of all rallies for Schnell And if

467
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 6: you know the backstory, Yeah, losing his mom before his

468
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 6: previous fight that did produce a bonus, but produced a

469
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 6: two minute loss right in a huge spot for him.

470
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 6: They turned him around quickly, and if this one doesn't

471
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Speaker 6: go his way and he doesn't come back, you know,

472
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Speaker 6: maybe it's a performance bonus for sum Mu Darjie and

473
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Speaker 6: he's got a baby boy on the way. I mean,

474
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Speaker 6: this is a total career changer. And you know, to

475
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Speaker 6: see a guy be be that desperate, I think it

476
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 6: speaks to training hard and being conditioned. And I just

477
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 6: don't know that if you're not in the shape of

478
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Speaker 6: your life you can survive shots from one of the

479
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Speaker 6: more powerful guys in the division.

480
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Speaker 9: And no, really, John, you're dead on He had to

481
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Speaker 9: be in fantastic shape, because even worse when they interviewed

482
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Speaker 9: to me, he admittedly.

483
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Speaker 1: Said I remember nothing. Yeah, so he's on autopilot.

484
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Speaker 9: And that only a dad only comes from really being

485
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Speaker 9: in superb shape. And he's been in those positions before

486
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Speaker 9: where his body's dealt with it. I guess because the

487
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 9: way he came back was was instantly to me, it

488
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 9: was like kind of crazy. Just when you want to

489
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Speaker 9: say maybe they should he's back in the you know

490
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Speaker 9: what I mean?

491
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Speaker 1: It was exactly that was.

492
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Speaker 9: That was the crazy part. So, yeah, what I'm glad

493
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Speaker 9: I went back and watched it. Hats off to mac

494
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 9: mc schnell. That was absolutely phenomenal.

495
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Speaker 6: Really good kid and really happy to see him shine

496
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 6: in a huge moment and h it just needed it

497
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 6: in the worst way. Uh and Sue's got some recovering

498
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 6: to do, but uh yeah, and the general safety wood

499
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 6: Cody just mentioning in the chat, just murdering it in

500
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Speaker 6: the corner as usual, And Dana White did say that, uh,

501
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 6: there's an extra check in the mail for Matt Schnell

502
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 6: who was hoping to get one hundred thousand dollars in bus. Yeah,

503
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 6: probably get something close to that all right, I want

504
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 6: to get to Shane Burgos and Charles Air. Jordain a

505
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 6: majority decision for Hurricane Shane. Remarkable how much this guy's

506
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 6: competed in New York, right eleven UFC fights seven in

507
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 6: New York. He had a huge fan base, and I

508
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 6: think some of that in part, you know. I asked

509
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 6: him in the fighter meeting, like, bro, how come they

510
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 6: let you fight at home all the time? He's like,

511
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 6: maybe I sell tickets, you know, and it's like, yeah, dude,

512
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 6: like loudest ovation of the night. I mean, this dude

513
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 6: got a pop eight times too. And then twenty eight,

514
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 6: twenty eight, kemp plow will start with you on Burgos

515
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 6: and charl Air Jordaane in a fight that had a

516
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 6: little bit of everything.

517
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I sure did. It was a real exciting fight.

518
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 7: I thought that Jordaane had a lot of opportunities to

519
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 7: go out there not only tap out, but you know,

520
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 7: just give up, and he did not, and he was

521
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 7: in some really tough spots, and Burgos I thought that,

522
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Speaker 7: I don't know, it seemed like he had a very

523
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 7: specific game plan to try to take that fight to

524
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 7: the mat, and clearly was was the better grappler in

525
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 7: that fight, but I don't think he was trusting his striking.

526
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 7: Either that or he has regressed as a striker. I

527
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 7: don't I don't know what was going on there, but

528
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 7: and I hope it has nothing to do with that

529
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 7: brutal knockout that he suffered from a few fights ago.

530
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 7: But either way, I thought he was a little inefficient.

531
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Speaker 7: He was wasting a lot of energy on the back,

532
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 7: which I think tired him out. Not to mention those

533
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 7: body shots that he was eating from Jordaane, you know

534
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 7: that doesn't help either. But what a fight, man. I

535
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 7: know that Burgos was a little disappointed, but I think

536
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 7: the disappointment probably lies a little bit more in his

537
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 7: approach and in his inefficiency. But still, anytime you get

538
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 7: a win like that over a dude who's as dangerous

539
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 7: as Jordaane, I think that that's a that's a big one,

540
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 7: And I think Jordaane is going to continue uh to

541
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 7: be a fan favorite. He is a guy who's always

542
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 7: looking for the kill, a lot of offense, a lot

543
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 7: of craziness, but a lot of offense as well, and

544
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 7: a lot of heart. So you know, I think his

545
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 7: future is going to be secured. I think he's gonna

546
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 7: be He's going to continue to get better. Uh and

547
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 7: I think fans are just gonna get behind that kid

548
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 7: more and more right long ago, Yeah, no, I listen.

549
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 9: I love Burgos, I love his style, but anytime a

550
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 9: guy like that gets outstruck like one hundred and twenty

551
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 9: to twenty, that that's not a good look for what

552
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 9: he That's what he does.

553
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: Man, that guy's a savage. You know, he's got a

554
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: great chin.

555
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Speaker 9: But I thought, look, Jordaane came out frantic, looked like

556
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 9: he was fighting, scared, like it just didn't look good.

557
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 9: And by the end of the in the middle of

558
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 9: the second round, he turns it around. I think he

559
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 9: starts to come back. Then Burgos took it back in

560
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 9: the second again, but then Jordane huge third round, huge,

561
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 9: huge third round. So that's one of those things they

562
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 9: got to really look at for the score because obviously,

563
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 9: damage wise, Jordaane won that fight.

564
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Speaker 1: There's no question about.

565
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 9: It, right, And it's almost like wrestling when it's even

566
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 9: there's an advantage. Maybe I don't even know what I'm

567
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 9: talking about, but don't they do something where the guy

568
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 9: you give the guy to win based on something else

569
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 9: like that seemed like that type of fight to me,

570
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 9: where all right, we have it like this, but that

571
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 9: third round almost like the way Pride used to score it.

572
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: Obviously Pride rules, that's an easy fight to score.

573
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Speaker 9: Joe Daine wins that fight easy, I would think, right, Kenny,

574
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 9: if it's Pride, But the way they score in Pride.

575
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Speaker 7: I think so yeah. I mean they had one ten

576
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 7: minute round the first time. But yeah, yeah, you're saying.

577
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: Who's finishing strong guy?

578
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 9: I mean, I just was, uh was a crazy look

579
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 9: to see and I and I love Shane Burgos, I

580
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 9: mean I really do, but I thought the other guy

581
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 9: edged that fight out.

582
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, but what rep had it a ten eight for

583
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 7: for Jordaane and that yea.

584
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 6: So we're we're going to get into all the judging

585
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 6: stuff and tsn M M A reporter and content editor

586
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 6: Aaron Bronstetter is going to join us here in about

587
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 6: ten minutes and assuredly we're going to have more with

588
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 6: uh with him on this whole scoring situation, But largely

589
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 6: I'm aligned with Ray and I would apologize to Shane

590
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 6: and Ryan Burgos listening, because I think Ryan Burgo said

591
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 6: something on Instagram. H and Ryan by the way, the

592
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 6: younger brother of Shane, who's going to be an absolute

593
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 6: animal first time in this fight, total savage. But he

594
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 6: sort of felt like Charles after the fact, didn't think

595
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 6: himself Jordayne that he had won. I kind of thought

596
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 6: Jordayne won the fight.

597
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 7: Now.

598
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 6: Mike Bell, I think is one of the better judges

599
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 6: in mixed martial arts. He had round one ten to

600
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Speaker 6: nine for Jordaane. I thought that round was close. Largely

601
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Speaker 6: I did give it to Jordaane. I didn't think the

602
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 6: late takedown in control was enough for Shane Burgos, if

603
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 6: I'm remembering that round correctly. Round two he had ten

604
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 6: eight for Shane Burgos. And to me, every time a

605
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 6: judge scores a ten eight in some part, I credit

606
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 6: them for actually taking their testicles out and putting them

607
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 6: on the fucking table, right, because it does take balls

608
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 6: to score rounds consistently ten eight, right, and because those

609
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 6: are going to be scrutinized or they're going to be

610
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 6: looked at.

611
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: Right.

612
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 6: I talked to Mike Bell after the fact, right, I

613
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 6: feel like you had to go ten eight for Jordaane

614
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 6: in round three, totally dominant round, and Mike Bell said

615
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 6: after the fact to me, and I hope he's okay

616
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 6: with me admitting this, that he probably should have gone

617
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 6: ten eight on that third round. But I do think

618
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Speaker 6: it's hard, Kenny, when you're in that judge's seat, you've

619
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 6: scored one round ten eight, you know, to pull out

620
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 6: your balls again and go ten eight the other way

621
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Speaker 6: in round three. The only way we're going to affect

622
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 6: change and really get away from a tiny, tiny gap

623
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Speaker 6: in a ten nine round and a pronounced gap in

624
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 6: a ten nine round is being liberal with ten eights

625
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 6: and in this fight can flow.

626
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 7: I don't know if you.

627
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 6: Thought Burgos is effective grappling in round two was enough

628
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 6: for a ten eight, I saw two ten eight rounds

629
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 6: based upon my interpretation in this fight.

630
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 7: It's quite possible.

631
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 6: I'm not sure I was thinking that, if I'm being

632
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 6: honest in real time, not that I'm I wasn't in

633
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 6: real time either, Yeah, but yeah, exactly in round two.

634
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 6: I don't know if I had it a ten eight

635
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 6: for Burgos. I thought I thought Burgos.

636
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 7: One round one as well, so and then and then

637
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 7: I thought ten eight. If there was a ten eight

638
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 7: that was going to be thrown out it would be

639
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 7: for Jordain in round three. Now, a judge shouldn't give

640
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 7: a shit about perception, right of what the fans are

641
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 7: going to think, or the fact that a ten eight

642
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 7: round is rare, uh, voters or commissioners. It either right,

643
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 7: It either is or it isn't. So if he sees

644
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 7: a ten eight in round two and he sees a

645
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 7: ten eight and round three the other way, then it

646
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 7: is what it is that you don't do that because

647
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 7: oh this is a rare thing. I'm not gonna do

648
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 7: this like if that shouldn't have any influence in his decision.

649
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 7: So I agree with you there. I'd have to go

650
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 7: back and really watch that. But I think you make

651
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 7: a valid point there, John, And I think it's an

652
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 7: interesting uh study for a lot of you know fans, uh,

653
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 7: you know, analysts and and and judges alike to really

654
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 7: study that flight because that that's one of the few

655
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 7: that could potentially warrant it right.

656
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

657
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 9: First of if that's off to Bell for even being honest,

658
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 9: I mean I get that.

659
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that's going to get him. I

660
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: don't care if he's right or wrong, you know what

661
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: I mean?

662
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 9: The fact that he even was willing to talk and say,

663
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 9: I'm already a fan, you know, but uh, if you

664
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 9: gave round two a ten eight, then round three one

665
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 9: h ten eight eight. I think that's the reason for

666
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 9: giving the ten ah, is that the guy has a

667
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 9: chance to come back and do that. You know, he

668
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 9: probably thinks I got a ten eight, you know, like

669
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 9: his corner guite him that could have been a ten

670
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 9: eight round, makes him go out and really want to

671
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 9: do a ten eight round himself. So you got to

672
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 9: reward the guy for that, bottom line, right, and back

673
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 9: to the other thing. One of the things I love

674
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 9: about Shane Burgos is and I knew he would say

675
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 9: this too, he was unhappy with his performance. He did

676
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 9: think he won, which is fine, but he's a fucking

677
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 9: He's one of those blue collar guys. He's not bullshit

678
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 9: and he's not fucking screaming like it. That's what I

679
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 9: love about him. But I knew he was going to

680
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 9: say he was unhappy with that performance.

681
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: Because we all see the way he fights.

682
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 9: We know the way he fights, and he's not happy

683
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 9: about that third round. That's what he does to people,

684
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 9: you know what I mean. So tricky fight that's a fight.

685
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 9: You should go back and you know, for the next

686
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 9: judging seminar you do that.

687
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: That's interesting.

688
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 9: But the problem, though, John, is that it's subjective and

689
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 9: that these guys, there's certain guys you just can't even

690
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 9: argue with. Is they always have an answer for everything,

691
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 9: and they'll have an answer for that.

692
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 1: You know.

693
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 9: So if that was a ten eight, then al Joe's

694
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 9: round against John was one hundred percent.

695
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 7: Course, you see, that's the problem, like the problem.

696
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 6: But I do think that we will we'll get back

697
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 6: to a point if we're not there already, where that

698
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 6: round will absolutely, unequivocally be a ten eight. I mean yeah,

699
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 6: I mean I came to light in that seminar. We

700
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 6: watched that round and the conclusion of the room was

701
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 6: that that was a tenant.

702
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: There's no question about question about it, right.

703
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 9: You know. Here's the problem, though, John's right, So you

704
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 9: have people saying it's not a ten eight. But then

705
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 9: I think and correct. I'm not really sure, but I

706
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 9: think it was the following week or two whatever it was,

707
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 9: patchy mixed, I believe was the fight he had a

708
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 9: guy's back and Macauthy goes, that's definitely a ten eight,

709
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 9: So you can't tell me this. It's not like some

710
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 9: sort of favorite that it's the same shit. Aljro did

711
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 9: more damage.

712
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: You know, you can't have it. You can't have it

713
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: both ways.

714
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 6: So, Kenny, the reason that I am not thinking about

715
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 6: this in real time is just it's a crazy fight

716
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 6: and sometimes in a relatively close fight, you'll hear us

717
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 6: talk about the judging, and other times we just won't.

718
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 6: So that was part of the reason why I wasn't

719
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 6: thinking about it in real time. The other thing, too,

720
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 6: is when you have an effective grappling round like we

721
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 6: had in round two, and again the three d's that

722
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 6: everybody's looking for, dominance, duration and damage. We can't quantify

723
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 6: damage in grappling the way we can in striking. But

724
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 6: as far as I'm concerned, what I've learned from people

725
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 6: like you, When Burgos has a body triangle for four

726
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 6: minutes and the other dude can do nothing about it,

727
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 6: you know, we can't quantify the damage and what that

728
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 6: could do to Jordayne moving forward. Yeah, he fought a

729
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 6: great third round, but I feel like, yes, it's easier

730
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 6: to see the ten eight for Jordaane in round three

731
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 6: than the ten eight for Burgos in round two. But

732
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 6: if that's not a round two for if that's not

733
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 6: a ten A for shame, I mean, like what else

734
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 6: you got to do as a grappler then to get

735
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 6: a ten ax?

736
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I.

737
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 7: Would say I would say a lot of it is

738
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 7: indicative of like if you hit me with a shot

739
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 7: and I stumble and it looks like I'm stepping in

740
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 7: potholes like Matt Schnell when he got hit with those elbows,

741
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 7: you could see that that's tremendous amount of damage. Right,

742
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 7: you can see the effect on my body. If let's

743
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 7: say I get up from a body triangle after being

744
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 7: in it for four minutes and I'm stumbling around and

745
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 7: I'm exhausted, my hands are dropping, my mouth is open.

746
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 7: That's taking an effect on my body because I had

747
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 7: to carry you as a backpack, you know, and deal

748
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 7: with a body triangle that was restricting my ribs and

749
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 7: my breathing, and that's that could have been like maybe

750
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 7: pushed it to that next level. But in round three

751
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 7: when you look and again this is where you kind

752
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 7: of have to wait to see did it Did it

753
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 7: have an effect on the fight? In round three, Jordan

754
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 7: looked like he was perfectly fine.

755
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: He was.

756
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 7: He threw it seemed like he threw a thousand strikes

757
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 7: in that round, you know, So did that have enough

758
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 7: damage on his body? I don't know? And what are

759
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 7: we talking about damage? Are we talking about damage to

760
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 7: the joint because an elbow? Are we talking about a

761
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 7: submission lock that popped the knee? Are we talking about

762
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 7: striking from the mount? Are we talking about striking from

763
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 7: the back mount? Are we just talking about control? Because

764
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 7: I don't know, and I'm a jiu jitsu guy. But

765
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 7: if I sit there and I control you and I

766
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 7: don't do anything to you, is that damage necessarily?

767
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 4: No?

768
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 7: It's dominance, absolutely dominance. But is it damage? Probably not?

769
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

770
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 9: You know, And I think John, the thing that I

771
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 9: think I misinterpreted what I said a couple of weeks ago,

772
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 9: is like, have the fighter is tell you what damage

773
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 9: is or what they think damage is. Nobody's looking to

774
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 9: change the rules, that wasn't it. The rules are in place.

775
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 9: But if you don't know you know what something feels like,

776
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 9: how do you know how much damage it is? That's

777
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 9: all I was getting at with that, you know what

778
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 9: I mean? So this week I was supposed to do.

779
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 9: I was supposed to do something for the UBS Arena

780
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 9: where they brought down journalists that were unfamiliar with the

781
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 9: sport and just introduce him to MMA. But one of

782
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 9: the things I was gonna do was have one of

783
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 9: my guys put a guy you know in that that

784
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 9: that uh, you know, the body lock, uh to figure

785
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 9: for whatever.

786
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, So just so they

787
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: feel it, you know what I mean? Like that.

788
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 7: It's exhausting, it really is.

789
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 9: And if you can't get out of something, it's like,

790
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 9: you know, if you can't get out of the mount.

791
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 9: Eventually they got to stop the fight, like just showing

792
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 9: no promise to improve your position. What are they gonna

793
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 9: do whether the you know, wherever those punches are going,

794
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 9: it's only a matter of time until they start coming through.

795
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 9: But you can't win the fight like that, you know

796
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 9: what I mean. It's the same thing with that body triangle.

797
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 9: There's like Kenny says, there's it's it's it's not just

798
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 9: what it looks like.

799
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: It's not.

800
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 9: Damage isn't always uh, you know, getting punched in the

801
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 9: face or seeing the food, you know what I mean.

802
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: Damage, Maybe the.

803
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 9: Guy's fucking goldbladder, was squished into his liver and he

804
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 9: can't breathe anymore.

805
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: That's damage, you know what I mean.

806
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 6: We're not submission attempts. I mean Burgos was credited, I believe,

807
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 6: with like three submission attempts, and at one point in

808
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 6: that fight, Jordaane had to work pretty hard.

809
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 7: All right.

810
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 6: I want to save some of that for Aaron brown

811
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 6: Setter because he is actually going to be attending some

812
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 6: sort of commission meeting in Niagara Falls in about a

813
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 6: week's time that, regrettably, I cannot attend because I'm going

814
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 6: to be a Fenway pack with my children.

815
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 7: Beat anything else.

816
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 6: Very long ago before I let you go, I know

817
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 6: Jack and Richard Shore spent some time at your Jim.

818
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 6: Ricky Simone is one of my favorite fighters in the world.

819
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 6: I think he's one of the best bandam weights in

820
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 6: the world, and to beat Jack Show like that is

821
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 6: pretty impressive. I don't know if you saw that prelim,

822
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 6: but I feel like Ricky Simone's the real deal and

823
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 6: deserves a little shine.

824
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 9: I did see that fight, and again, those guys you know,

825
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 9: stop by to Jim and they did a couple of workouts.

826
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 9: The kid looked great. They just really sold to the earth.

827
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 9: Nice people. You know, you're coming all the way over

828
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 9: from Wales, you know, like again, like what I told them,

829
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 9: and to tell everybody's like when I'm traveling with the

830
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 9: guys and we.

831
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: Get treated like gold at a gym, I love to

832
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: give back.

833
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 9: I mean literally, they could have the key to the

834
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 9: gym and come in whenever they want, just to make

835
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 9: them comfortable. It's a different continent, you know, you're flying

836
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 9: across the world. It's it's absolutely crazy. So unfortunately it

837
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 9: didn't go his way, but they they had great guys.

838
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 9: I hope they had a great time, you know, great

839
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 9: experience in New York.

840
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: And that's it.

841
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 9: And shout out to Laura Murphy also used a gym

842
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 9: and she's got just a great team behind it.

843
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: Just nice people and it's part of the sport.

844
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 9: I love me and just meeting new people and chilling

845
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 9: out and hanging out at this point anyway, you know,

846
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 9: going out tea with my friends Kenny, you know, sorely Kenny,

847
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 9: I sway to God's the little things. I really, I

848
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 9: really mean, I have a fantastic time list. I'm always

849
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 9: in the gym and you know, doing something like that

850
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 9: but this that was very relaxing.

851
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: It was great catching up with it on.

852
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 6: I have a lot of intel on Ray. He had

853
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 6: a gray goose with cranberry juice. He left most of

854
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 6: his entree on the plate, but we had a couple

855
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 6: of pizzas and several appetites. Oh Man, again indulging. But

856
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 6: Longo is a save room for dessert guy, because he

857
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 6: had quite a bit of dessert and now he's gonna

858
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 6: black out rid of him like that. I mean, that

859
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 6: is something else. But you save some room for dessert.

860
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 5: Now.

861
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 6: I can't hear you, Ray, so this might be a

862
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 6: good time for us to tell you to to just

863
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 6: pound sand. We love you. Can you hear us? All right,

864
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 6: we can't hear you. We love you. But I think

865
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 6: Cody's gonna kind of like, come on hear it a

866
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 6: little bit.

867
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: Ray.

868
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Ray Longo. The Ray Longo Minute every week

869
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 6: here on the Anakna Florian Podcast. All right, we are

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Speaker 6: going to go right back to the three box, the

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Speaker 6: three wide receiver set. As we welcome in TSN Mixed

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Speaker 6: Martial Arts Reporter Extraordinary, Aaron Bronstead or A b It's

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Speaker 6: good to see your face on a Sunday afternoon. What's good,

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Speaker 6: my man?

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Speaker 8: What's up? Fellas?

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Speaker 10: You know you mentioned the Greg Goose and Cranberry juice

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Speaker 10: and he immediately blacked out.

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Speaker 6: I know, yeah, they see you always have the quicker

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Speaker 6: with than me. There's no way I would go to

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Speaker 6: head with you on remember the show the podcast would

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Speaker 6: allow Muhammad and my twin brother on this channel. I

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Speaker 6: know you've been on it, and I think you're like

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Speaker 6: the MVP and like the one year plus of that.

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Speaker 6: I would never go head to head with you.

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Speaker 7: I'll go ahead to.

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Speaker 8: Get your brother on the phone, get the long phone

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Speaker 8: and tell them to remember the Bronze thet or bring

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Speaker 8: me back.

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Speaker 6: I remember the bro I have a sneaking suspicion that

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Speaker 6: you might have your own segment called that in the

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Speaker 6: not too distant future. But you might get a call

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Speaker 6: on Thursday. So I'm sure your wife and your children

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Speaker 6: are going to be, uh, you know, a little compromised

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Speaker 6: on Thursday. All right, So much to get into, by

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Speaker 6: the way, in terms of this seminar, what is it exactly?

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Speaker 6: It's not a seminar, I guess it's a meeting. What

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Speaker 6: is it exactly? When is it and what do you

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Speaker 6: have for us on that before we move on.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 10: So the Association of Boxing Commissions, which oversees many of

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Speaker 10: the state commissions in the United States, and I believe

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Speaker 10: they also put together a makeshift commissions overseas when certain

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Speaker 10: countries don't have them. They host an annual conference and

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Speaker 10: it just so happens to be two hours away from

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Speaker 10: me and Igara Falls, New York, so I'm gonna make

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Speaker 10: the drive down there, and they have refereeing courses, judging courses.

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Speaker 10: I'm only able to stay for two of the days,

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Speaker 10: So Saturday they have the refereeing courses on course, I'm

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Speaker 10: gonna have to miss a bunch of UFC London as

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Speaker 10: a result, and then Sunday is the judging course. So

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna stay for those two days, and then after

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Speaker 10: that there's all kinds of different there's a conversation about

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Speaker 10: open scoring that I believe Dean Thomas is involved in.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, closing ceremonies.

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Speaker 10: I believe there's all kinds of different events over the

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Speaker 10: course of four or five days that the Commission's host

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Speaker 10: thankfully again very close to me. So I'm happy to

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Speaker 10: be able to go down and take a course on

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Speaker 10: refereeing and judging. I think it's going to be very

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Speaker 10: valuable for my career professional development.

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Speaker 6: I just flew back to Florida this morning with Dean

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Speaker 6: Thomas and we talked about that very thing. We talked

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Speaker 6: a lot about open scoring. I expressed some of my concerns,

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Speaker 6: but he's pretty bullish on it. Well, that'll be interesting

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Speaker 6: and I think it'll be eye opening and you can

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Speaker 6: always watch London on the backside. So I want to start,

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Speaker 6: if I could, with the main event between Brian Ortega

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Speaker 6: and yay you' Rodriguez. Obviously anti climactic and Kenny, I

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Speaker 6: don't need you to go through the whole spiel, but

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Speaker 6: Kenny sort of felt like this should have been a

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Speaker 6: submission win for Yayir Rodriguez, and uh, you know, I

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Speaker 6: encourage the fan base to go back and watch the

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Speaker 6: first eight minutes or so of this podcast. But ab

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Speaker 6: before you chime in, Ken Flow, can you give me

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Speaker 6: twenty seconds as to why you feel the way you do.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. My my argument is the fact that you know

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Speaker 7: that probably, yes, Ortega's shoulder was probably compromised, but again,

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Speaker 7: I don't think that would have happened if that shoulder

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Speaker 7: wasn't being torqued in that manner Yair was framing on

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Speaker 7: the head. He was framing on the body with his

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Speaker 7: knee as well, which was torquing the shoulder or of

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Speaker 7: Ortega as he was trying to pull his arm out

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Speaker 7: of there. Why was he trying to pull his arm

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Speaker 7: out of there because it was uncomfortable and torquing his shoulder,

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Speaker 7: and you know that's that's what you know led to

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Speaker 7: the injury of the shoulder. So yeah, I again, a

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Speaker 7: weird injury, absolutely, a weird submission. Absolutely it was a

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Speaker 7: direct direct result of the year attempting something of a

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Speaker 7: hold on Ortega.

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Speaker 6: Yes, right, and Aaron, he also said that in real time,

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Speaker 6: you know, not the easiest thing to pick up. But

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Speaker 6: you know, he has certainly opened up minds, and everybody

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Speaker 6: who has heard him say that, from Dean Thomas to

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Speaker 6: Ray Longo, kind of starts to subscribe to that line

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Speaker 6: of thinking. So I don't know how much noise there

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Speaker 6: was about that last night while I was calling the flights,

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Speaker 6: but just wanted to get your two cents on that.

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Speaker 10: Well, I'm gonna hot take Kenny back on this one,

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Speaker 10: because I actually think you can make a better case,

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Speaker 10: and people are gonna crush me for this, so I'm

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Speaker 10: putting my neck out here for Kenny to grab and

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Speaker 10: for anybody else to grab. But I think there's a

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Speaker 10: better case that Laimos versus Waterson should have been a

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Speaker 10: TKO win for Amanda Lamos.

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Speaker 8: Now hear me out. Kevin McDonald did not see the tap.

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Speaker 10: Amanda Lamos celebrates, Waterson acknowledges that you know she tapped,

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Speaker 10: Referee calls it off. Referee doesn't see the tap. That

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Speaker 10: is basically a TKO loss because the referee it is

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Speaker 10: not actually acknowledging the submission.

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Speaker 8: At the time. So that should have been that TKO loss.

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Speaker 6: But listen, and that one might be more semantics. But

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Speaker 6: I will say I saw Michelle Watterston comeez after the

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Speaker 6: fact and Kevin McDonald told her to keep fighting at

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Speaker 6: one point in time, and she wasn't.

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Speaker 10: She said no, it makes it a TKO loss. That

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Speaker 10: makes it a t You can't submit verbally when there's

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Speaker 10: nothing going on, that's a tk O loss. But again

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Speaker 10: again that's semantics. Series the gambles that the gambles that

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Speaker 10: been on Lamos by TKO are mad right now because

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Speaker 10: they would have liked to cast that one, but the

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Speaker 10: ones that bet on her by submission are angry.

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Speaker 7: Kenny, what do you think about that? I was gonna say, technically,

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Speaker 7: that's what it should be, actually, right if the referee

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Speaker 7: didn't see it at the time. Now, I mean, are

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Speaker 7: we using replay to get that because there was technically

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Speaker 7: a tap but the referee didn't see it. So I

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Speaker 7: don't know. I think that's an interesting argument. So I

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Speaker 7: don't really have a problem with that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I didn't put it on Twitter because

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Speaker 8: people would have crushed me.

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Speaker 10: I would have been taking all kinds of hit, all

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Speaker 10: kinds of social media shrapnel for that one.

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Speaker 8: But that was my two cents at the time.

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Speaker 6: And what do you have for us on the main

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Speaker 6: event as far as the end of the fight? And

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Speaker 6: I guess ultimately how the UFC should proceed.

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Speaker 8: Now, well, this is the thing everybody's saying, who should

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Speaker 8: be next for Volkanovski? What are we gonna do in

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Speaker 8: the featherweight division?

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Speaker 10: And hey, I'm guilty of this too, but we need

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Speaker 10: to just take a step back here.

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Speaker 8: There's so much that can.

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Speaker 10: Happen between now and the time that Volkanovski is going

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Speaker 10: to compete you know, Volkanowski's unable to train basically until October,

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Speaker 10: so the chances of him fighting this year are pretty nil.

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Speaker 10: Like it's it's very unlikely unless they're gonna throw something

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Speaker 10: together really quickly. I don't think we're gonna see Bolkovski

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Speaker 10: again in twenty twenty two and then twenty twenty three

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Speaker 10: year olls around we've already had in October. Announced this

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Speaker 10: past weekend, Charles Olivera taking on Islam Makashev. Dana White

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Speaker 10: has said, if Volkanovski wants to move up the lightweight,

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Speaker 10: I'm all ears.

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Speaker 8: So why are we rushing here?

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Speaker 10: Like, I mean, Josh Emma can make the case. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: you're Rodrigez can make the case. You've got two guys

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Speaker 10: that are undefeated in the rankings and Mostar ev Loev

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Speaker 10: and Bryce Mitchell. Then there's just a lot of players

1019
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Speaker 10: right now. And not to mention the dark Corse here

1020
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Speaker 10: is kind of hen hudo. I mean, why not let'

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Speaker 10: say Henry's a hudo. Try to make a case to

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Speaker 10: win in a third way class. So I don't really

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Speaker 10: know what you do. If you're gonna make an introim,

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Speaker 10: you could do yeah, year Emmett, you could do so

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Speaker 10: Hudo versus Emmett. From what I understand, yeah, Year and

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Speaker 10: so Hudo are pretty close. So I don't know if

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Speaker 10: they'd want to sign the papers for that one. So

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Speaker 10: Hudo probably has more options than to just sign that one.

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Speaker 10: But I just think that we need to kind of

1030
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Speaker 10: wake the dust to settle a little bit before we

1031
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Speaker 10: jump to a conclusion about who should be number one. Now,

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Speaker 10: if you're gonna ask me who I think has earned

1033
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Speaker 10: the shot, I think Josh Emmett unpopular opinion. But if

1034
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Speaker 10: people are gonna be like, well, you gotta give your

1035
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Speaker 10: ear on Rigis credit, you gotta give credit.

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Speaker 8: It's a win.

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Speaker 10: He he adjusted the arm of Brian Ortega in a

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Speaker 10: way that injured him.

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Speaker 8: But at the same time, Josh Emmett beat Calvin Cator.

1040
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Speaker 8: You know, people can say it.

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Speaker 10: Was a close fight, but there was no decisive win

1042
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Speaker 10: for Calvin Cator in that one.

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Speaker 8: Like that was the robbery. That was maybe a mix

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Speaker 8: of opinions.

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Speaker 7: Right right, I guess.

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Speaker 6: I believe at times though, that the durability thing swings

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Speaker 6: both ways. When people want to say, hey man, you

1048
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Speaker 6: should pay for your perceived lack of durability or you know,

1049
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Speaker 6: I mean, people certainly love banging on Sean O'Malley when

1050
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Speaker 6: you know his leg falls apart in the octagon. You know,

1051
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Speaker 6: I feel bad for all parties involved, and we'll see

1052
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Speaker 6: what they do. But I guess the short answer to

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Speaker 6: your question, and you're not blind to this, is that

1054
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Speaker 6: ultimately you're looking for twenty four title fights a year

1055
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Speaker 6: in a perfect world, if you're looking for two on

1056
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Speaker 6: twelve pay per views or so right, and it's not

1057
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Speaker 6: out of the realm of possibility that you'd like to

1058
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Speaker 6: headline a UFC fight night strategically maybe once a year

1059
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Speaker 6: with a title fight. So I think that's part of

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Speaker 6: the issue too, Aaron, is you need title fights, and

1061
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Speaker 6: you have injured champions in a lot of divisions, so

1062
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Speaker 6: to have an interim featherweight championship on the line in

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Speaker 6: December might make promotional sense as all.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And I also think that if the UFC's planning

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Speaker 10: on going back to Mexico, that's the time you do it.

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Speaker 10: You headline with Yahiro Rigaz for an interim title. I

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Speaker 10: think that that from a promotional standpoint, would be a very,

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Speaker 10: very wise move to bring the promotion back to Mexico

1069
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Speaker 10: since the pandemic you know, hasn't been back, of course

1070
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Speaker 10: since what a twenty nineteen or twenty twenty, right, I

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Speaker 10: think that's the move.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 6: We got to get into the Shane Burgos and Charles

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Speaker 6: Jordaine's scoring. I don't know how soon you populated in

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Speaker 6: here today, but I did talk to Mike Bell after

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Speaker 6: the fact, and I find him to be a great

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Speaker 6: man and an elite judge. And he was the one

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Speaker 6: who had a ten eight for Shane Burgos in round two,

1079
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Speaker 6: but then he didn't come back with a ten eight

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Speaker 6: for Charles Jordain in round three, which I suggested he

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Speaker 6: should have done. I don't know how suggestive I was

1082
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Speaker 6: on the air, but when I saw him in the

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00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 6: hotel lobby, I softly said that and he sort of

1084
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 6: acknowledged that he probably should have done the back to

1085
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 6: back ten eights. What are your thoughts on all that?

1086
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 10: Right, Well, here's a question for you, and I'm the

1087
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 10: Canadian here, so believe me. I love Charles Jorden. He's

1088
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 10: one of my favorite guys that talked to in the sport. Brilliant,

1089
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 10: brilliant kid. But who was closer to finishing the fight. Oh,

1090
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 10: I thought two with a neck crank or Jordaane with

1091
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 10: the volume in round three.

1092
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 7: And ultimately Burgos four bikes.

1093
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 8: In the second.

1094
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 10: But he's he's cranking on that neck of Charles Jordan

1095
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 10: to a point where the ref's checking on him, the

1096
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 10: ref saying are you still in this?

1097
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 8: Right?

1098
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: Like?

1099
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 10: The judges see that, and they have to make they

1100
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 10: have to make a decision right there and then about

1101
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 10: how compromised Charles Jordan is in that moment. These people

1102
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 10: will say, oh, well, look at how well he performed

1103
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 10: in the third. Obviously he wasn't that compromised. The judges

1104
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 10: submitted a scorecard. The score card's gone, it's gone. You

1105
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 10: can't get it back again, asked, hey, can I get

1106
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 10: that score card back? I thought he was more complimised

1107
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 10: than he is, none of that, So I get the

1108
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 10: ten eight scorecard.

1109
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 8: Listen.

1110
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 10: Would I have also scored ten eight for Jordan in

1111
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 10: the third round if I scored ten eight in the.

1112
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 8: Second for Burgos?

1113
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 10: Maybe, But at the same time I didn't score any

1114
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 10: of those round ten eight. I thought that I personally

1115
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 10: agreed to the two other judges that gave it a

1116
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 10: twenty nine to twenty eight for Burgos, even though again

1117
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 10: you can make a case for jordan in the first

1118
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 10: it was a close, close round if you're looking at

1119
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 10: striking and damage. The second half of that round was

1120
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 10: Jordane's round. The first half of that round was Burgos's

1121
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 10: round because he had that another a deep submission attempt.

1122
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: Right.

1123
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 10: So, I think people are kind of making much ado

1124
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 10: about nothing here. To be perfectly honest, I don't think

1125
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 10: a ten eight scorecard is outside the realm of possibility

1126
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 10: in either the second or third round.

1127
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 6: I'm curious to talk to you in a few weeks

1128
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 6: after this judging seminar to see because you're going to

1129
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 6: be one of the more knowledgeable, informed people to ever

1130
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 6: walk into that setting, right, And I'm curious the extent

1131
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 6: to which your mind will be opened and if you

1132
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 6: will after that feel like you would actually be be

1133
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 6: more generous or liberal with your ten eights after that course. So,

1134
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 6: but I guess that's not a conversation for today. What

1135
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 6: are you thinking about when you're watching Matt Schanell and

1136
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 6: Sue Mudharji do all that live?

1137
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: Oh?

1138
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 10: I thought it was over a guy, thought Sumjersey had

1139
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 10: beaten him. I'm saying why and just stepping in here.

1140
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 10: I mean, the guy was out on his feet, lucky

1141
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 10: for him to go down. If he would have gone down,

1142
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 10: that fights over. But he managed to stay on his feet.

1143
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 10: But he was completely on he was on skates. Like yeah,

1144
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 10: that's just pure and muscle memory that allows him to

1145
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 10: get a win like that, right, But I mean that's

1146
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 10: the round the year I think by far right now,

1147
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 10: Like I mean, the runner.

1148
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 8: Up would probably be Gaechi ole of Era.

1149
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 10: But that was just such an unbelievable round of mixed

1150
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 10: martial arts and such a great display of the human

1151
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 10: spirit that na Chanelle was able to come back and

1152
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 10: get a win under those circumstances.

1153
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 8: Just absolutely unbelievable.

1154
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 6: All Right, I want to talk to you guys briefly

1155
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 6: if I could, about the main card opener. Kemp Flow

1156
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 6: will start with you. It was the UFC flyweight debut

1157
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 6: for Meshit Tate and you know, I guess a humbling

1158
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 6: moment for her in some respects. She was so confident

1159
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 6: during our fighter meeting and throughout fight week and sort

1160
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 6: of saying, you know, I've been an elite athlete my

1161
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 6: whole life. Lauren Murphy didn't really become an athlete till

1162
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 6: she was twenty four, like I can't lose this fight.

1163
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 6: I'm not losing this fight, And largely she was dominated

1164
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 6: by Lauren Kemp. Flow will start with you. A healthy

1165
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 6: Lauren Murphy was a real problem. I think the Elevation

1166
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 6: fight team changes have really paid dividends. This is as

1167
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 6: good a performance as I've seen from Murphy in years.

1168
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 6: Your thoughts on all that you're muted, my man, love

1169
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 6: you though, nice bear though.

1170
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 7: Sorry about that. This was a tough one. You know,

1171
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 7: Misha looked like she came in tremendous shapes. It seemed

1172
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 7: like she was saying the right thing. She was very confident.

1173
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 7: I thought she was going to be the better fighter

1174
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 7: out there. But you know, again, a focus of mind

1175
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 7: as a martial artist was trying to be was trying

1176
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 7: to be as technical as possible, But the reality is

1177
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 7: that doesn't always guarantee results. Even if you are the

1178
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 7: better fighter or more experienced fighter, that doesn't mean anything

1179
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 7: on fight night. And to me, the difference was really

1180
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 7: the mental attitude of the two fighters. Misha to me,

1181
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 7: and I tweeted this, Misha looked like she was sparring

1182
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 7: and Lauren Murphy looked like she was fighting, and again,

1183
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 7: I don't know if it was Mesha just kind of,

1184
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 7: you know, just kind of throwing shots out there, and

1185
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 7: every once in a while there would be a nice

1186
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 7: shot that she landed. But to me, I don't know

1187
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 7: if she wanted to be there. And again, she's not

1188
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 7: necessarily known for her striking, right, but I don't know.

1189
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 7: Her wrestling seemed off. She wasn't committing to any of

1190
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 7: the techniques out there, and I don't know if there

1191
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 7: was an injury involved or just mentally she didn't want

1192
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 7: to be there. She doesn't have it anymore. But to me,

1193
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 7: it was a more determined Laura Murphy who was moving forward,

1194
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 7: who wanted to go out there and impress, and she

1195
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 7: seemed hungrier and she came. She came there to win.

1196
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 7: And Cody Merrow was all over that one. He was

1197
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 7: really high on Lauren coming into this one and told

1198
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 7: everybody that he was gonna win. I was a little

1199
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 7: doubtful of it, but Lauren Murphy proved myself and a

1200
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 7: lot of people wrong. And it was great to see

1201
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 7: because Lauren Uh is just a sweetheart. She she's a

1202
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 7: great person. Uh and got you know, one of the

1203
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 7: biggest wins of her career for sure.

1204
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 6: Cody probably sent three dozen texts over However, many weeks

1205
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 6: after the fight got delayed that Lauren Murphy was going

1206
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 6: to win this fight by decision and everything the house.

1207
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 6: So great job on that, Cody, A B. I guess

1208
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 6: I would like your thoughts. I agree with everything that

1209
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 6: Ken Flow said. I mean in terms of meate in defeat,

1210
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 6: Lauren Murphy in victory, and ultimately mechitate in this new

1211
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 6: weight class movement.

1212
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 10: For well, I like Cody thought it was a total

1213
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 10: dogger pass situation based on the odds. Like, I don't

1214
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 10: know how you can make Misha Tate a minus two

1215
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 10: twenty favorite over one of the best flyweights outside of

1216
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 10: Valentina Sheepshanko that we've seen. Really, because Lauren Murphy has

1217
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 10: been running through opponent after opponent in this division. She

1218
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 10: has proven herself. I won twenty five And I mean, Kenny,

1219
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 10: you've cut the extra ten pounds when you were moving

1220
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 10: down from fifty five to forty five, and how I

1221
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 10: don't know how that affected you on the night of

1222
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 10: the fight.

1223
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 8: How much harder that was for if you were.

1224
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 10: More sluggish It's horrible, That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking

1225
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 10: it was horrible for Misha Tate because that's not something

1226
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 10: that she's accustomed to. She's already thirty five years old,

1227
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 10: she's had two kids. I mean, to put your body

1228
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 10: through that, you know, if you're a female fighter that's

1229
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 10: done had to go through all of that in their

1230
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 10: life in terms of the bodily changes, like, that's a

1231
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 10: lot to handle. And then to face somebody as good

1232
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 10: as Lauren Murphy, like, that's a very very difficult task.

1233
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 10: So I think instead of saying Misha was off, we

1234
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 10: can just say that Lauren Murphy was Lauren Murphy.

1235
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 8: She is who we thought she was. She's good.

1236
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 10: I mean, she fought for the title recently. She says

1237
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 10: that she wasn't feeling well going into that fight. You

1238
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 10: know what things happened before a fight, It can happen

1239
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 10: to anybody.

1240
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 8: But she was on yesterday.

1241
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 10: She was on, And I mean, I think that Misha

1242
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 10: Tate needs to go back, probably back to thirty five

1243
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 10: and see what she can do. But at the same time,

1244
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 10: since Misia Tate's come back, she's won one fight against

1245
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 10: Mary Renaul, who said it was a retirement fight. She

1246
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 10: was in her mid forties. How many women in general

1247
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 10: fight in their mid forties. I mean, maybe we were

1248
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 10: giving Misha Tate too much credit going into this fight

1249
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 10: as is.

1250
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely think she had a different energy about

1251
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 6: her in the Renault fight. Perhaps it was a smaller octagon,

1252
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 6: perhaps it was the opposition. A lot of things at play,

1253
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 6: all right. Aaron Bronsteadter on social media at Aaron Bronsteadter

1254
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 6: TSN MMA reporter, Reporter to the Stars. Before I let

1255
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 6: you go a couple weeks away, you're going to be

1256
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 6: in Dallas.

1257
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 8: I'm going to be in Dallas. I'm looking forward to it.

1258
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 8: I love it there. Great beer, great food, great city.

1259
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 6: I mean, am I allowed to ask you if you

1260
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 6: have a lean on Amanda Nunez and Julian Apennya. I

1261
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 6: know sometimes you do offer up your plays to the masses.

1262
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 10: Well, I'm going to be doing some research on that

1263
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 10: this week because I'm putting together a piece for Sports

1264
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 10: Center on champions that defend the title after when there's

1265
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 10: an immediate rematch, and I think the stats will overwhelmingly

1266
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 10: point to the person that is the champion. The story

1267
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 10: of the defending champion overwhelmingly retains the title. We saw

1268
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 10: in two situations with Frank Edgar, once when he was

1269
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 10: a champ and once when he was trying to get

1270
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 10: the title back from Benson Henderson. I think it's going

1271
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 10: to be a really interesting fight. I'm very eager to

1272
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 10: see what Nonaz looks like moving away from American Top

1273
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 10: Team to her own gym. I think Nunez on any

1274
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 10: given day can beat anybody, can knock anybody out. I

1275
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 10: just think that if you're getting underdog value on Julian

1276
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 10: opinion based on what we saw in the first fight,

1277
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 10: that's probably the way that I would go.

1278
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, my brother, Aaron Bronstead or appreciate the

1279
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 6: time as always. Great to see you on the show,

1280
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 6: and we'll have you back in a few weeks if

1281
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 6: you'd be so inclined after the Niagara Falls stuff but

1282
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 6: great stuff as usual, my man, and best to you

1283
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 6: and the family. And uh, we'll see in Dallas, if

1284
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 6: not sooner.

1285
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 8: Brother, anytime. I dude, enjoy some stake dips in the

1286
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 8: hub for me.

1287
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 6: Thank you, brother. There he is Aaron an that are

1288
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 6: with us here on the Anak and Florian podcast. We

1289
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 6: still have a few items to get to on this

1290
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 6: UFC Fight Night card on ABC. And so, uh, you know,

1291
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 6: I think I'm going to bring into the conversation because

1292
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 6: I know he's here on a Sunday on the screws

1293
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 6: of one pm Eastern.

1294
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 7: He got his hair.

1295
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 4: Excuse me? Sorry, sorry guy, Sorry sorry, sorry, sorry about that.

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Speaker 4: I'm ill prepared. Hey, what's going Let me center myself

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Speaker 4: up here.

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Speaker 6: Money hopefully hopefully for the video. Folks, you'll become progressively

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Speaker 6: less blurry as this continues. But okay, and maybe does

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Speaker 6: he look glorry to you? He's getting a little.

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Speaker 7: Better, but he was definitely blurry. So you got a

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Speaker 7: hall of you got it? Got a hair Yeah, yeah,

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00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 7: it looks great. How often do you get your hair cut?

1304
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 4: Whenever my wife says it's time to get a cut.

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00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I have a good head of hair. And

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00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 4: it's so funny because I work with guys who are

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00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 4: very bald and they're jealous of my hair, and I

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00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 4: just I don't really care about it. I let her

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00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 4: do her thing. She came up and he said it's

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00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 4: time to get a haircut. Okay, it's time to get

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00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 4: a haircut. Let's fucking do it. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: Move it up a week or two and get it

1314
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 6: done every three weeks. Last night, last night we were

1315
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 6: at Longo Widman MMA. Cody and I were with Ray

1316
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 6: and Bruce Buffer, and Ray unsolicitedly suggested that you look

1317
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 6: pretty good hitting the heavy bag.

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00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was. I've been boxing since I was eighteen.

1319
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 4: And then I couldn't afford an MMA gym because there's

1320
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 4: not a ton of Cincinnati. And then finally I made

1321
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 4: a deal with my mom, let's go have it, and

1322
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 4: then the Rich Franklin Jim's. Like I had a nineteen

1323
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 4: eighty ninetiece on maximum, I'm not making it to Rich

1324
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 4: Franklin's gym forty five away. So I went to the

1325
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 4: just where I met Chris Curtis. I went to the

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00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 4: gym a little north of Cincinnati of me, and yeah,

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00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 4: me and my mom split it.

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00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: You know.

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00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 4: She she was very afraid of it and everything like that.

1330
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I I have some hands, not

1331
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 4: too bad with the hands. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: By the way, the Floridan Martial Arts Center in Brookline, Massachusetts,

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00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 6: relative to where it is in the world, is so

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00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 6: reasonably priced. I just have to say, like, you.

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Speaker 7: Can't get anything.

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00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 6: It's less expensive to get a month of jiu jitsu

1337
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 6: with the Florid Martial Arts Center than to get like

1338
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 6: a salad.

1339
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: Uh, it's crazy.

1340
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 4: There's one down the street from me that's like two

1341
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 4: hundred bucks a month, and I go, okay, can I

1342
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 4: get a key to the place because my hours are

1343
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 4: like kind of like no, no, you can only come

1344
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 4: in the classes. I'm like, you fuck got it? Two

1345
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 4: hundred bucks a month and they're not producing anything.

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00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 6: Come on, oh thanks, I'm not going to tell you

1347
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 6: what long agost gym is permit.

1348
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Speaker 4: I would, I would, I would put it. I was

1349
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 4: listen that guy's bread three champions if I was in,

1350
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 4: and I'd pay up to one thousand bucks a month. Yeah,

1351
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck. Let's get let's be a champion.

1352
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: All right.

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00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 6: So, like to just touch on a few performances, is

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01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 6: here with you and with ken Flow before we move

1355
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 6: on to the picks for UFC Fight Night Blades versus Espinal.

1356
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 6: What a busy July five events July second through thirtieth

1357
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 6: two pay per views for the Combat Sports Leader. So

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01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 6: the leech Lee Jinglyong, I mean, Ken Flow will start

1359
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 6: with you on this man, Like I think it's like

1360
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 6: his eleventh UFC win eight of them by knockout a

1361
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 6: lot of big scalps. On the resume of Lee Jinglyong,

1362
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 6: we tried to set up the historical backdrop in terms

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Speaker 6: of how much this win meant and the history between

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Speaker 6: these two guys. Dude, the leech Man, what a great

1365
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 6: response to the Hamza Chimai have lost last October. What

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01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 6: were your thoughts on that one.

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01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 7: You can't let that guy stick around, Like, if you

1368
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 7: have him on the ground, you got to put him

1369
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 7: away because you know he's going to come back and

1370
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 7: he's going to try to take your head off. I

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01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 7: was really impressed with the way that he was making

1372
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 7: those adjustments, just getting more and more confident, and you

1373
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 7: can see Muslim just start to lose a lot of

1374
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 7: that confidence. And it was one of those fights where

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01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 7: you could just tell that there was a huge momentum

1376
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 7: shift and it was only a matter of time. And

1377
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 7: it was only a matter of time, and Leeging Leung

1378
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 7: did what Leeging Leung does and he went out there

1379
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 7: and got a beautiful finish. So yeah, I mean, he's

1380
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 7: a beast, and I believe I picked the wrong fight

1381
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 7: on that one. Bright. You got anything on the Leech?

1382
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 7: My man?

1383
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was my dog lock of the week. I

1384
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 4: kinda I was reading this card really well. I had

1385
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 4: a banner night. I thought the first round was gonna

1386
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 4: be kind of feeling out Leach maybe fall behind a

1387
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 4: little bit, and then Leech just to start kind of

1388
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 4: picking it up. You know, I didn't have him win

1389
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 4: him by knockout. I had to win him by the

1390
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 4: decision twenty nine to twenty eight. But then when he

1391
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 4: caught him with that big shot, I'm like, oh, it's

1392
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 4: over because the Leech is nasty in there. That dude's

1393
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: he hurt you, He's coming after you and U Yeah,

1394
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 4: nice dog money on him, man, I couldn't couldn't passed

1395
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 4: that up. It was a great performance by him.

1396
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 6: And we'll get to some of your other big winners.

1397
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 6: I know you had Mat Chanel by submission, Ricky Simone

1398
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 6: by submission, I believe at fourteen to one. Yeah, you're

1399
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 6: a self aware, kind humble guy. But when you have

1400
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 6: a weekend like you hit the climb ball parlay, we

1401
01:01:59,240 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 6: need to celebrate it.

1402
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 4: Right. If I lose shit all over me, I'll take it.

1403
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 4: I deserve it. But if I win. Let me clode

1404
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1405
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 7: Let this.

1406
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 6: I'm going to take thirty seconds to acknowledge my strength

1407
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 6: and conditioning coaches Rio and JC Santana at the Institute

1408
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 6: of Human Performance. Ken Flow knows these guys. He knows

1409
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 6: how JC has sort of set a foundation for functional

1410
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 6: mixed martial arts strength and conditioning. And when you look

1411
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 6: at what they've done with Gilbert Burns, you know, and

1412
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 6: you look at what they've done with Leeging Lyong, there

1413
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 6: are a lot of fighters flooding through those doors and

1414
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 6: they push the sled with a lot more weight on

1415
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 6: it than I do. But I just wanted to acknowledge

1416
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 6: my friends because that's a huge, huge win for them

1417
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 6: after their first training camp with the leech. All right,

1418
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 6: let us get to Ricky Simote if we could VP.

1419
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 6: I mean, this guy increasingly has got to be becoming

1420
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 6: like your favorite fighter's favorite fighter.

1421
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: Uh.

1422
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 6: He watchable as any fighter in the sport. He has

1423
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 6: been since day one. And if there were some who

1424
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 6: suggested he wasn't like top five material at VANDAM weight,

1425
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 6: couldn't have done more with the Jack Shore showcase as

1426
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 6: he takes his oh uh, Ricky Simone at fourteen to

1427
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 6: one by armed triangle in round two.

1428
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 4: Your thoughts, Yeah, so that was the last bet I made.

1429
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 4: I was so back and forth. My official pick on

1430
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 4: this podcast was Jack Shore. I picked him on my podcast.

1431
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 4: A lot of my buddies had Simone and I just

1432
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 4: I'm sitting at in the end. I was like, how

1433
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 4: is Simone gonna win this? And he's got big power.

1434
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 4: I said, I could see a club and stuff. Let

1435
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 4: me see what the sub is because Ricky Simone, arm

1436
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 4: triangle chokes, brilliant, guillotine's really good. That's what he caught Morab.

1437
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 4: And even though did he really catch Morab? We can

1438
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 4: get on that road. But he's got good submissions. And

1439
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, fourteen to one, Yeah, I can fucking put

1440
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 4: something on that. I'll put a little, I'll put a

1441
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 4: quarter on that. Let's go and uh yeah, so it hit.

1442
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it. I loved the uh when he

1443
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 4: dropped him and got on top of me, He's raining

1444
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 4: those blows down. I'm like, dude, just I'm yelling at

1445
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 4: Jack Short, just turn around, take let him take your back.

1446
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 4: You don't want to get it anymore.

1447
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 7: Let him take your back.

1448
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 4: And then uh and then he's that like kind of

1449
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 4: weird arm triangle where he even jump to the side,

1450
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 4: kind of did it mounted was just pruves how fucking

1451
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 4: strong he is. He commented in the post fight, like

1452
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 4: that's what we've been kind of working on a different

1453
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 4: kind of the way I set my hands up. We

1454
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 4: don't need to jump to the side. And clearly it's

1455
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 4: death because Jack sure's lights on the ground and I

1456
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 4: know he's hurt, but he topped, you know, I mean

1457
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 4: because there's nowhere to go.

1458
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 7: Kenny.

1459
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 6: You know, I'm a broken record on submission offense. And

1460
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 6: a lot of these guys who do have a signature choke,

1461
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 6: like Ricky Simone suggests that he does in his post

1462
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 6: fight interview there with Daniel Cormier, but Brazilian jiu jitsu

1463
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 6: black belt under Fabia Scherner, And you know, there are

1464
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 6: a lot of guys who who can't do the whole

1465
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 6: club and subthing. And I don't plan my calls, but VP,

1466
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 6: I might have to steal that for a future club

1467
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 6: and sub victory. The shirt can flow like the ability

1468
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 6: of Ricky Simone, you know, to immediately get the submission.

1469
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's a lot of what you would do.

1470
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 6: You know, I really believe with Clay guid to a

1471
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 6: club and sub win. Like you know, the guys who

1472
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 6: can put you away with a choke like that when

1473
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 6: they have you injured are a real problem.

1474
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 7: If you're a ground guy, you need that to submission,

1475
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 7: you know, from top or from bottom that you know

1476
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 7: if you get them in that position, it's over because

1477
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 7: again you don't want to face that guy like Alee

1478
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 7: Jingleung where you allow that person back into that fight.

1479
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 7: You need those type of you know, one and done

1480
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 7: type submissions in your arsenal. And clearly Ricky Simone had

1481
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 7: has that. It was a beautiful, beautiful execution of that

1482
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 7: choke which is often misinterpreted and not executed properly. He

1483
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 7: did a wonderful job, man, And he's a problem. He's

1484
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 7: like a much upgraded version of a Clay Guida because

1485
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 7: he's gonna be in your face all the time. He

1486
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 7: gets a little wild, but man, he could strike. He's

1487
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 7: got power and he's super technical on the ground as

1488
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 7: well and dangerous there. So that's a tough fight for anyone.

1489
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 7: He's he's on a big time role. Man. I'm not

1490
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 7: gonna fade that dude anymore.

1491
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't wait to see who they choose to

1492
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 6: match him up with. Our congratulations to Punahle Soriano, Bill Algo,

1493
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 6: Dustin Jacoby, Dustin Stoltz, Emily Dacote, a lot of performances

1494
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 6: that we don't have the opportunity to touch on today.

1495
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 6: We pay Brian Petrie by the minute. So to that end,

1496
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 6: let us get to the main event challenge. Peetree wins

1497
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 6: the week by three hundred and forty dollars, so it

1498
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 6: looks like total in the positive for BP eight hundred

1499
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 6: and forty nine dollars and eighty one cents. Ken flow

1500
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 6: over five hundred and nine dollars as well, so not

1501
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 6: too shabby. We have six total total. We got totals.

1502
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 7: You know I've passed that.

1503
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 6: I've passed that responsibility onto UH, our executive producer. So

1504
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 6: Coach throws that at the side.

1505
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 4: There now repigs making you guys money, can't complain, can't

1506
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 4: comp We're not.

1507
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 6: Paying the pigs elections today, which means thirteen for you

1508
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 6: boys over the last two weeks, and we appreciate the

1509
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 6: leg work on that. Let us begin with vulcan uz Demir,

1510
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 6: who is a minus one fifty favorite on Draftking sports

1511
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 6: Book against Paul bar Juke Kaig, who is plus three

1512
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 6: plus one thirty. I should say uz Demir went the

1513
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 6: distance in a loss to magabt Ancleav last October and

1514
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 6: Abu Dabi his last win split against Alexander Rockitic that

1515
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 6: was back in twenty nineteen. Still appears like the motivation

1516
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 6: is there for vulcanoos to me or Bry. On the

1517
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 6: other side, Paul Craig on a serious role five ozho

1518
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 6: in one spanning his last six hasn't lost in more

1519
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 6: than three years. Your thoughts on this one at light heavyweight?

1520
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 4: Such a good matchmaking because both these guys lose by

1521
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 4: the other way, you know, the other way the person fights.

1522
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 4: Vulcan typically gets submitted and Paul Craig gets overrun by

1523
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 4: like big power punchers. That's usually what happens.

1524
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 11: So it's perfect, But how are you gonna fall fade

1525
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 11: pul Krieg? The guy is just I mean, you know

1526
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 11: what he's gonna do and he still gets it. Volcanosanho's

1527
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 11: been submitted a few times. Paul Craig, I know he's

1528
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 11: got the triangle, but he's also got other smissions in

1529
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 11: his arsenal as well. He's good everywhere. Obviously off his

1530
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 11: back is special, but you know, he can stick a

1531
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 11: little bit.

1532
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 4: He's tough, he's big for the di Vision, and I

1533
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 4: think Volcanos might be struggling with a little bit of

1534
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 4: confidence right now. He got to jump early. They fed

1535
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 4: him the DC pretty early, and and uh, you know,

1536
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 4: and he's still trying to balance that out. Like I

1537
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 4: got a titles show, I got knock around by one

1538
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 4: of the greatest of all time, and then they've been

1539
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 4: feeding them some really hungry guys. And he debuted the

1540
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 4: year debut against him, and we've seen what year he's

1541
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 4: been able to do. But I can't. I can't, Fat

1542
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 4: Paul Craig, I won't do it. Uh you know, plus

1543
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 4: one thirty, you know for and then you're gonna handle

1544
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 4: the submission prop as well, which I bet he's not

1545
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 4: even well, it might be a plus money, but I

1546
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 4: mean that's where everyone's gonna be running. But yeah, give

1547
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 4: me put Craig.

1548
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 7: For sure, Ken Flow.

1549
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 6: You ever see the Saturday Night Live skit with Mike Myers.

1550
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 6: I've said this on the air before. Sometimes it falls

1551
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 6: on deaf ears, but welcome to all things Scottish. If

1552
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 6: it's not Scottish, it's cup man. These Scotts hate when

1553
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 6: you call him Paul Craig or even Craig. I guess

1554
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 6: Craig is it's Craig. That's Craig. You like to me?

1555
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 7: I do I do like Craig. I think I think,

1556
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 7: you know, submission wise, Uh, he's an anomaly in the

1557
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 7: two hundred and five pound division. There's very few guys

1558
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 7: that are that dangerous with their submission game. And again,

1559
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 7: just like Brian SAIDs like, you know what he's gonna do,

1560
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 7: it's you still you get caught in a triangle or

1561
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 7: an arm bar. So I think that you know, he's

1562
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 7: gonna have to drag Uzdimir down to the ground, or

1563
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 7: maybe Uzuimir foolishly tries to look for a takedown here.

1564
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 7: He's gonna have to win this on the feet. I

1565
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 7: don't see this one going to the judges. I've either

1566
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 7: seen Krieg getting knocked out or Uzdemir, you know, getting

1567
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:35,959
Speaker 7: getting submitted. But yeah, I can't go against the Scott

1568
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 7: here either. I think he's got a good shot of

1569
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 7: making it a big scrap, making it nasty. Uzdemir, you know,

1570
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 7: falls into the ground and gets submitted with something. So

1571
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 7: let's go for the Scott.

1572
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 6: Looks like Petrie, by the way, is up four hundred

1573
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 6: and fifty two dollars on the year, but these you're

1574
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 6: both over six grand on the year, which sure as

1575
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 6: fuck can't be right.

1576
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 7: Maybe it is. I know you guys have been on fire,

1577
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 7: but Jesus Christ.

1578
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 4: We've been picking pretty good stuff. Ken Flower, Yeah, we're

1579
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:04,799
Speaker 4: picking good stuff.

1580
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,919
Speaker 6: You guys are money, all right. Molly McCann minus three sixty.

1581
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 6: She's been a pretty big favorite at times in her career.

1582
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 6: Minus five hundred against Deanna Belbiza. Hannah Goldie is the

1583
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 6: opponent here plus two ninety five. McCann's won a couple

1584
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 6: in a row. About as easy to root for as

1585
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 6: it gets. I love our fighter meetings with her. She's

1586
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 6: so thoughtful. Hannah Goldie coming off a win over Emily

1587
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 6: witt Meyer last September. She ends a ten month layoff here.

1588
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 6: She will do so on the road against Molly McCann.

1589
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 6: Brian Petrie, you're going chocky with McCann, or you see

1590
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 6: any value on Hannah Goldie.

1591
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 4: I mean there's definitely some value on Goldie. I think

1592
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 4: you know her Continer series performance was good. She hasn't

1593
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 4: really shown in the UFC, although she's coming off a

1594
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 4: night's armber over with Emily Whitmeyer. She's bricked up. I mean,

1595
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 4: the girl's got the lady's got some muscles on her.

1596
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 4: But Molly McCann she's so infectious. Have I ever you know,

1597
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 4: I want her as a teammate. She's out there hooton

1598
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,839
Speaker 4: and holler when when her A teammates are fighting. She's awesome.

1599
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 4: She got a deal with Barstool Sports because her personality

1600
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 4: so infectious, and she's coming on one of the best

1601
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 4: knockouts you know in women's history, that spinning backfist or

1602
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 4: elbow to Louisa Carolina, which was unbelievable. Molly's just a bulldozer.

1603
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 4: I mean, meetball McCann is. She'll go in there and

1604
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 4: she's tough. She's tough to put away, you know, take

1605
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 4: down the fence and has been kind of plaguing her

1606
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 4: at least early in her career. I feel like now

1607
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 4: she's adding takedowns to her own game, which is kind

1608
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 4: of rounding everything out. But she's a scrapper and a banger.

1609
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 4: She'll talk to you in there, she'll throw down with you.

1610
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 4: The price is really high. I think I'm gonna get

1611
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 4: a better price if I look for Molly by finish,

1612
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 4: which could happen even though Hannah Goldi hasnt been finishing

1613
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 4: UFC and she's very durable. Molly's Molly's tough. Give me

1614
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 4: meatball here. The numbers high, though, but give me meatball.

1615
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 6: Maybe, ken Fler, McCann, Goldie, Who do you like?

1616
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's value on Goldie for sure at

1617
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 7: these odds. But I think Molly McCann is gonna be

1618
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 7: a little bit too much. She's she's a hurricane man.

1619
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 7: She comes at you, She's gonna throw everything at you.

1620
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 7: I think Hannah's lack of experience at that level, at

1621
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 7: that level of experience, it's going to be I don't know.

1622
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be too much for her

1623
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 7: to deal with that level of chaos. So I like

1624
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 7: Milon McCann here as well.

1625
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 6: Less than ten pro fights for Hannah Goldie coming in

1626
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 6: all right. Next up Nikita Krilov minus one ninety against

1627
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 6: Alexander Gustafson, who was plus one sixty. Krilov a near

1628
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 6: two to one favorite here despite having lost three of

1629
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 6: his last four, but of course, for Gus, last win

1630
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 6: came against Glover to share a more than five years

1631
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 6: ago twenty seventeen. He hasn't fought since a submission loss

1632
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 6: against Fabrici over Doom, and I was in his heavyweight

1633
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 6: debut essentially two years ago BP to the day. Your

1634
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 6: thoughts on Gustupson here against Krilov.

1635
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 4: Matgine, I like Alison Augustason. I mean, it's weird that

1636
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 4: he went away. I mean, I get it, he was

1637
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 4: getting some wars. He thought he maybe he was burnt out.

1638
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 4: And again I've always said, if you're not in it,

1639
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 4: step away. And you know, I'm surprised to find out

1640
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 4: he's only thirty five years old. And I'm really surprised

1641
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 4: if I find nikiit kral It's only thirty. That guy

1642
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 4: feels like he's been around since ninety two, which is crazy.

1643
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 4: And I want to take a shot on Gustis in here,

1644
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 4: but I just can't. I think the Curador Kraloff. I

1645
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 4: think being active in MMA and being in there and

1646
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 4: the timing and just the speed of everything and the

1647
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 4: physicality of the sport really helps people. Even though he's

1648
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 4: on a losing streak here. Gusson's coming from a great,

1649
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 4: great training camp, the All Stars over there in Sweden,

1650
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 4: and I just don't know if his mentals there. I mean,

1651
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 4: the Fabriciya redoomed fight was was very just. It wasn't Gustison,

1652
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 4: it wasn't what we've seen before. You know, the Glover

1653
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 4: to Terrify, which you mentioned was five years ago. Amazing performance.

1654
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 4: I mean, he was so light on his feet, and

1655
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 4: he's his uppercut, his long range uppercut so good. I

1656
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 4: just the Kida Karloff. His biggest weakness is when you

1657
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 4: take him to the ground, submit him. I don't think

1658
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 4: Gustisson has that in his bag. I think I think

1659
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 4: it's could be a stand up fight. I think it's

1660
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 4: gonna be close. I just think Gustison just gonna be

1661
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 4: a little off here. I think he might rally late

1662
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 4: in the third round, but it might be a little

1663
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 4: too little too late. I like Nikida Karloff by decision.

1664
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, Kerlov's good ken flow. I don't know if he's

1665
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 6: minus won ninety good against Alexander Gustiffson. But I also

1666
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 6: find it hard to get too predictive on Gustafson, especially

1667
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 6: not being there and not knowing what exactly his training

1668
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 6: has held. You see any value the on gussips and

1669
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 6: plus one sixty?

1670
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely, listen. I think he's a more technical fighter.

1671
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 7: I think he's a more dangerous fighter in a lot

1672
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 7: of ways than Nikida Kreeloff. But you know, similar to

1673
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 7: you know, the Misha Tate and Lauren Murphy fight, it's

1674
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 7: hard to know what Alexander Gustison is going to show

1675
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 7: up why because he's showed up for certain fights where

1676
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 7: mentally he didn't seem like he was in it. Or uh,

1677
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 7: we can also talk about, you know, his long history

1678
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,719
Speaker 7: of back injuries which I've dealt with, which could really

1679
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 7: steph for your ability to have a good training camp

1680
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 7: or to go in there, you know, with all of

1681
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 7: your capability. So uh, I think Alexander Gustison, just his

1682
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 7: heightened striking alone will give a lot of people trouble

1683
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 7: and he could go out there and look fantastic and

1684
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 7: get maybe get a t KO or knockout against kreel Off.

1685
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 7: But I think Kreeloff is still hungry. I think he's

1686
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 7: still pretty durable, Like he's he's he's mentally tough. He's

1687
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 7: gonna be there he's gonna be in your face. So

1688
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 7: a little bit too too much doubt in my mind

1689
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 7: for Gustafson to go that way, so I'll stick with

1690
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 7: kreole off here, all right.

1691
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 6: Next up we will have Kenny Florian kick us off here,

1692
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 6: Patty the Batty Pimblet monus two fifty five taking on

1693
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,919
Speaker 6: the monkey God Jordan Levitt, who is plus two fifteen.

1694
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 6: All you guys know the UFC history for Patty Pimblet

1695
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 6: a couple of UFC fights, two first round finishes, two

1696
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 6: performance bonuses, and I've got to know him a little bit.

1697
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 6: I'm a big fan. He's the real article. He's a

1698
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 6: really good human being, and I think he's got a

1699
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,799
Speaker 6: fascinating matchup here against a pretty dangerous fighter in Jordan Levitt.

1700
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 6: Kenny Patty Piblet Jordan Levitt, Which way you're going?

1701
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 7: These have to be two of the most unique guys

1702
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 7: in the UFC facing each other like that. There's no

1703
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 7: one like Jordan and there's no one like Patty, and

1704
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 7: here they are facing each other, which is kind of cool,

1705
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 7: you know, unique styles. Patty tends to get a little

1706
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 7: overly aggressive for my liking. You know, he will literally

1707
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 7: lead with his chin out there, which is very dangerous,

1708
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 7: especially in that very stacked division. So that's troublesome for me.

1709
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 7: I'm still trying to figure out how good he is

1710
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 7: on the ground. I think his position for sure, if

1711
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 7: he gets to your back, he is a finisher man.

1712
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 7: It seemed like that's a really strong position for him,

1713
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 7: and I love that. Uh, if he gets Jordan in

1714
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 7: that position, I think probably over for Jordan. But you know,

1715
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 7: Jordan is, he's a scrambler man. He's a tricky guy

1716
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 7: to deal with. He throws a lot of unorthodox strikes

1717
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 7: on the feet, he throws a lot of unusual submissions

1718
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 7: and attacks and defenses on the ground which can throw

1719
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 7: off even the most experienced guys at times. And yeah,

1720
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 7: just has a very unique approach in general. This is

1721
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 7: a tough one for me, But I'm gonna go with

1722
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 7: Jordan here. I think that he's gonna have an interesting

1723
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 7: approach that kind of throws Patty off a little bit.

1724
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 7: I think for the UFCS, you know, for the UFC brass,

1725
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 7: I think they would love to see Patty win. It

1726
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 7: would be it would be great to see him get

1727
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,759
Speaker 7: that momentum going forward, because I do think he's got,

1728
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 7: you know, some star potential there. Uh, But I think Jordan.

1729
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 7: I think Jordan gets it done here.

1730
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 6: Jordan Levitt three and one in the UFC, Brian ten

1731
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 6: and one overall. Patty Pimblet has never been submitted, never

1732
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 6: been finished in mixed martial arts. How do you see

1733
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 6: this one play out?

1734
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 8: Man?

1735
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 4: I love Kenny one opposite there, that's the nuts on

1736
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,759
Speaker 4: your table. Fucking let's go bet right there. I rarely

1737
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 4: disagree with the flaw. I'm gonna disagree with him. I

1738
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 4: was a fan of Pimlet the Casward days. I heard

1739
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 4: a lot about him, went back and watch all of

1740
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 4: his stuff.

1741
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 7: He has struggled with.

1742
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 4: You know, Kenny talk about good as jiu jitsu is,

1743
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 4: there's obviously questions about it. He has definitely struggled when

1744
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 4: he's on the box. He's not a guy that excels

1745
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 4: off his back that well. He can get up very well,

1746
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 4: but he's not very threatening. You nan Armanini took him

1747
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 4: down and just stuffed him. But he's very good on

1748
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 4: top and his and I don't think his techniques great.

1749
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 4: I think his strength is great. I think he kind

1750
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 4: of muscles certain positions. Little times. I think That's why

1751
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 4: real niked choke is kind of his go to. Jordan

1752
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 4: Levitt kind of flows a little bit better on the

1753
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 4: I heard great things about him in Vegas, but I

1754
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 4: think this fight's gonna come up to the stand up.

1755
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 4: I think Levitt might look for some takedowns. I think

1756
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 4: Patty Pimlet's kicks are really good. I think his hands

1757
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 4: are wild, his chins in the air. I know he says,

1758
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 4: you know, skows Is never get knocked out, but if

1759
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 4: you keep fucking throwing your chin out there, buddy, you're

1760
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 4: gonna you're gonna get caught one time. I love Patty Pimlin.

1761
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 4: I'm a big Patty fan here. I actually thought his

1762
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 4: number be way higher after having the week and Saturday

1763
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 4: I had. I'm happy paying two fifty five for this.

1764
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 4: I like pimblet here, like by Tko. I think it's

1765
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 4: gonna be like maybe second round, you know, maybe he'll

1766
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 4: catch him with something, maybe a kick, and then finish

1767
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 4: on the ground. For sure. I like Patty here to

1768
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 4: get it done all.

1769
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 6: Right, nicely handicapped on both sides. Now to the co

1770
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 6: main event. Chris Curtis minus one thirty, Jack her Manson

1771
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 6: plus one ten the Action Man's stepping in here for

1772
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 6: Darren Till, who will be in his corner. Curtis opened

1773
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 6: plus one forty. As Brian knows all too well, he

1774
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 6: is now favored almost anywhere you're placing your bets or

1775
01:18:55,360 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 6: extracting your lines. Her Manson a lot of championship level experience.

1776
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 6: He's headlined four times in the UFC, and that includes

1777
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 6: a split decision lost in his last fight to Sean

1778
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 6: Strickland February twenty twenty two at the UFC Apex. We

1779
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 6: got the thirty footer for your guy, the action Man

1780
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 6: this weekend. Talk to me DP what he got.

1781
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 4: So no, everyone knows who I'm picking. I'm going with

1782
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 4: the King of Combat. That was his original nickname, the

1783
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 4: King of Combat. I'm going Chris Curtis here. I usually

1784
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 4: don't like getting to the x's and o's. I say

1785
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 4: that for Kenny because who the fuck wants to hear

1786
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 4: me talk about you know, technique and everything. But this

1787
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 4: fight's very interesting because Jack Heremanson is very similar to

1788
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 4: rold for Rivera, but he puts everything together. Vera landed

1789
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 4: a lot of shots on Chris because Chriss hits her back.

1790
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:41,759
Speaker 4: He's waiting for the takedown. Rivera can only go Veraic

1791
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 4: can only go striking or takedowns. He's never he can.

1792
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 4: He can't mix him yet, He's not good enough. Jack

1793
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 4: Romanson can mix him really well. The problem is, though,

1794
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 4: is I've seen him get boxed up before by Marvin

1795
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 4: Tory Sean Strickland his last two fights. He's very good

1796
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 4: on the ground, he's very heavy on top. I don't

1797
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 4: really think he's going to be that big of a

1798
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 4: submission threat if he gets it to the ground. I

1799
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 4: don't think this is like the floor's lava situation, like

1800
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 4: against Vieira, like Chris had. Chris was like, I'm not

1801
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 4: giving up a takedown in this guy. Fuck No, he's

1802
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 4: toughed twenty takedown, so it is crazy. I think her

1803
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 4: Manson's gonna kind of maybe push the pace a little bit,

1804
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 4: try to get in the clinch. And I can tell

1805
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 4: you from experience, Chris is very strong in the clint.

1806
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 4: He's a naturally one seventy year that's where he spend

1807
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 4: both his most of his credit one seventy. But he's

1808
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 4: a stout kid, not very tall, but he's a thick

1809
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 4: kid for one eighty five. His head position in the

1810
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 4: clinch is great. I think he's gonna touch up her

1811
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 4: Manson's body here after her Manson isn't gonna shoot twenty times.

1812
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 4: I think after he shoots a few times, the jokers

1813
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 4: gonna be like, you know what, fuck it, let's go.

1814
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 4: Because he does have some decent boxing himself. I think

1815
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 4: that's gonna be the downfall. I like Chris here late TKL,

1816
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 4: maybe round late, round two, late round three. Another good

1817
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 4: performance by the action man. I'm so excited he's a

1818
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 4: comin event. He's on the fucking poster, which I gotta get.

1819
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 4: I'm excited for the guy and I was texting him

1820
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 4: and his or excuse me, I was messaging, and his

1821
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 4: confidence is to the roof for this fight, So I

1822
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 4: got I gotta take the guy for his work.

1823
01:20:57,960 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 7: Give me action.

1824
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 6: Man, all right, opportunity knock in for the action man

1825
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 6: canflow this weekend across the pond.

1826
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 7: Who do you have in the comain event? You know

1827
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 7: Hermanson's tough man. I think he will most likely. He

1828
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 7: has different takedowns than Vieira, but I think he's more

1829
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 7: effective with his takedowns than Vieira. And I agree with

1830
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 7: Brian that he does put it together better than Viea

1831
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 7: for sure, you know, certainly doesn't have the submission game

1832
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 7: of Via. Why am I bringing up Via because I

1833
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 7: think it was a great fight to prepare him for

1834
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 7: someone like Hermanson, and Chris, you know, tends to be

1835
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 7: feeding off of this momentum. I think he can crack obviously,

1836
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 7: and her Manson sometimes gets watching his work a little bit,

1837
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 7: stays in front of him. You don't want to do

1838
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 7: that against someone like Chris Curtis. That kind of power,

1839
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 7: and I think Chris Curtis is going to unleash a

1840
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 7: little bit more. I think he wasn't throwing a whole

1841
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 7: lot of volume because he was respecting Via so much

1842
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 7: on the ground, and I think he's gonna be a

1843
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 7: little bit more free to throw hands. I like Chris

1844
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 7: Curtis here as well.

1845
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 6: That brings up to the main event at heavy Tom

1846
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 6: aspinall minus one thirty five. Curtis Blades the plus one

1847
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 6: fifteen underdog, so Aspinall five and zero in the UFC.

1848
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 6: I love Curtis Blades. I hope he fights for the

1849
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,879
Speaker 6: title one day. I've spent much more time with Curtis

1850
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 6: than Tom Aspinall, whom I met recently. But I guess,

1851
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 6: since I don't have to make a pick and I'm

1852
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 6: not calling the fights, I would submit to you, guys,

1853
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 6: I don't know how you fade Tom Aspinall in current

1854
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 6: For I understand this is a tough matchup, some might

1855
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 6: argue as tough as any in the division. For Aspinall,

1856
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 6: I guess, Kenny, I just think you can find better

1857
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,759
Speaker 6: options on the board than betting against Tom Aspinall. Given

1858
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 6: his momentum and given all of his skills, he's a

1859
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 6: slight favorite here against the credential Curtis Blades Ken Flow,

1860
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 6: charged with leading off the main event, you go on

1861
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 6: Aspinall or Blades my men.

1862
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, listen, I'm curious to see what Aspinall looks like

1863
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 7: if he's on his back for an extended period of time.

1864
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 7: And I'm curious to see what he looks like. You know,

1865
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 7: if this goes into the fourth and fifth rounds and

1866
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 7: he's had to deal with some like a Curtis Blade's

1867
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 7: on top of him, will we see that? I'm not sure.

1868
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 7: I think Aspinall is a special kind of athlete in

1869
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 7: that division, and I think that, uh, he's a big

1870
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 7: time threat on the feet as well. I would like

1871
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 7: to see him pace himself a little bit more. Sometimes

1872
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 7: I see Aspenall have a pace that I don't think

1873
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 7: he can sustain for twenty five minutes. That's a concern

1874
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 7: for me heading into this fight. Curtis Blades does have

1875
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 7: a lot of experience, and I think the way he

1876
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 7: wins this fight. Yes, anything can happen on the feet

1877
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 7: with heavyweights, but I think the way he wins this

1878
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,679
Speaker 7: fight is by taking Aspinall Aspinall down and grinding out

1879
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 7: the wind, tiring him out, and then maybe later on

1880
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 7: looking for a TKO. But I think Aspinall is a

1881
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 7: good enough athlete and he's a little too dangerous both

1882
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 7: on the ground and on the feet to let that happen.

1883
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 7: He's got a ton of momentum behind him as well,

1884
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 7: and I like Aspinall and I wouldn't be surprised to

1885
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 7: see Aspinall get the win by tkor or.

1886
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 1: Just right knockout.

1887
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,799
Speaker 7: Brian Petrick is yours.

1888
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of Kenny h Kenny hit on a

1889
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 4: lot of points that I was gonna make you know.

1890
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 4: The pace is a big thing. He kind of rushed

1891
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 4: against Wolkoff a little bit, and and it just seemed

1892
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 4: like he got a little wild and I want to

1893
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 4: see a little more measured pace because you get a

1894
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 4: little wild on that you're gonna get, you're gonna get

1895
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 4: put on your back. And you know, Asphalt came from

1896
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,879
Speaker 4: his jiu jitsu background. We've never really seen much besides

1897
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 4: the Onlawsky fight where he took his back and smit

1898
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 4: him in that second round. So there's a lot of

1899
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 4: questions and obviously the five round card deal. He looks

1900
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 4: to be in phenomenal shape. He's leaned out since his

1901
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 4: earlier days. He looks to be in great shape. But

1902
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 4: this is such a confidence fight that to accept this fight.

1903
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 4: I don't know who his managers are. He could have

1904
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 4: probably got a different fight at heavyweight. They called for

1905
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 4: Curtis Blaze, or like, we've got Curtis Blades in London,

1906
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 4: they could have. His manager can be like, well, can

1907
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 4: we look for someone else because this is a tough

1908
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 4: matchup and you know we're trying to build a start here.

1909
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 4: Tom Asmal goes fuck it, yeah, let's go. That's a

1910
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 4: confidence fight right there, going you know what, I can

1911
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 4: beat anybody. I'm gonna have to fight this guy anyway.

1912
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 4: He's only lost the two men in the whole world.

1913
01:24:58,479 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to fight him anyway. Why not do

1914
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 4: on my home turf where I have a little bit

1915
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 4: of you know, some guys could really you know, shine

1916
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 4: up in those points. And I like Aspiral here. I

1917
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 4: think he's gonna be a lot more patient on his feet.

1918
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 4: And Curtis Blaze is a big boy. I saw him

1919
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 4: fight in Columbus when he walked out and I went, WHOA.

1920
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 4: This guy is enormous aspinall six four he's a big

1921
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Speaker 4: kid too. There's a lot of questions that need to

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Speaker 4: be answered, and I'm excited for this. This is a

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Speaker 4: heavyway fight. I'm really pumped for and this guy announced

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Speaker 4: I'm through the move through the moon with this. I

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Speaker 4: think if Asthma wins, and he wins in devastating fashion,

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Speaker 4: I think literally maybe he could leak fraud. I mean really,

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Speaker 4: depending on what John Jones is, he could leak for

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Speaker 4: on somebody. And I know Nigani's output. We got a

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Speaker 4: star here, boys, so we got to start an action kid.

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Speaker 4: And you know Europe and England they always support their guys.

1931
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Speaker 4: But I like Asmall Lake TK. I think Blades is

1932
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Speaker 4: gonna slow down, especially if he looks for some takedowns.

1933
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Speaker 4: I like, like Kenny said, he either clean, knockout or

1934
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Speaker 4: or or drop and then finished on the ground fast meal.

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Speaker 6: And I certainly did not intend to wear Curtis Blade's

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Speaker 6: team T shirt, oh neven, notice that week I did

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Speaker 6: that for Lauren Murphy actually, but uh yeah, well, we'll

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Speaker 6: see how it plays out in the main event. You know,

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Speaker 6: I have talked to Cody Donovan and Curtis has so

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Speaker 6: much confidence in his hands, and you talk about the

1941
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Speaker 6: size and I wrote down, like, dude, his hands are huge.

1942
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Speaker 6: I mean a lot of these guys don't. Like Leon Edwards,

1943
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 6: I've said on the show is a massive man. Hands

1944
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Speaker 6: aren't very bit you know, which could be telling, especially

1945
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 6: when you grapplinning Curtis Blade is a beast great main

1946
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Speaker 6: event and I'm excited to watch it before the sun

1947
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Speaker 6: goes down here on the East Coast. If you want

1948
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Speaker 6: more from Brian Petrie, he's been absolutely crushing it at

1949
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Speaker 6: Brian Petrie, M m A. Appreciate the time, kid best

1950
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Speaker 6: alone on the board and uh, we'll talk to you

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Speaker 6: next week, my man.

1952
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Speaker 7: Real quick.

1953
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Speaker 4: I was on remember the show with Jason and like, man,

1954
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 4: that guy's good looking, and uh, I didn't get to

1955
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Speaker 4: play the game. I just talked about Long Island and

1956
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 4: they suggested Aaron brown Setter as an opponent for me.

1957
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 4: I got a trivia mine. That dude's sharpest shit. Let's go, Ab,

1958
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Speaker 4: I'm calling you out, brother, Ab, I'm calling you out.

1959
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Speaker 4: Let's go.

1960
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Speaker 7: Let's do it. Oh that's happening, that's happening.

1961
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Speaker 4: I want him, I want him, I respect him, I

1962
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 4: like him a lot follow on Twitter, been a fan

1963
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 4: for him for a while. But you know what, you

1964
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Speaker 4: start coming in that trivia.

1965
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Speaker 7: World with me.

1966
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 4: But we're gonna go out, and I love it, wish.

1967
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 7: I love it.

1968
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 6: We're signing that contract. It's gonna be pet You're more

1969
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 6: a show staple increasingly he is. But you get the

1970
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 6: red corner. Three D Bronstetter on Remember the show, and

1971
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 6: you know Joe Silva liked when people would do his

1972
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 6: job for him. So you just did the job for

1973
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 6: Bala Muhammad and Jay.

1974
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Speaker 7: Let's do it. Let's do it all right, boys.

1975
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Speaker 6: Next week it's just maybe it'll be this Thursday. Brian

1976
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 6: Petrie and Aaron Bronstetter, Remember the show. All right, our

1977
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 6: final order of business, d Merrow seconds, I got Lauren

1978
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Speaker 6: Murphy dog.

1979
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Speaker 7: If your audio.

1980
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 6: Cody has one hundred dollars bills draped over a pair

1981
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 6: of sunglasses and his Harrison New Jersey digs today.

1982
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 7: What's up, kid? Is that smoke in the air?

1983
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 5: No, it's just my lighting.

1984
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

1985
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Speaker 5: There we got that's better.

1986
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Speaker 7: No, But there was at uc Long Island.

1987
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 5: I don't know if you noticed, but there was like

1988
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,759
Speaker 5: a haze over the octagon the entire time, like someone

1989
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 5: was vaping up the storm in that.

1990
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 6: I turned to Paul Felder at one point I said,

1991
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,560
Speaker 6: it smells like East Coast cannabis.

1992
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 5: Just say it, just saying yeah.

1993
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 7: So Cody was in the building last night.

1994
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Speaker 6: I would like to thank Joanne Silva and Amber Bone

1995
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 6: from the UFC for giving him a seat that said

1996
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 6: bench on it. He was like with the fighters in

1997
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 6: the Islanders. Bench they took carry uh huh.

1998
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

1999
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Speaker 5: It was great.

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Speaker 1: It was great.

2001
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Speaker 5: Different vantage point than I'm used to, so it was

2002
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 5: kind of spoiled.

2003
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 6: Right, What do you have for us? Before we let

2004
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 6: Ken Flow get on with his his day.

2005
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, what would he rather be doing than

2006
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 5: spending time with us. I mean, I'll bleed out this

2007
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 5: time as much as I want.

2008
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Speaker 6: John he was the last night I would have been

2009
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 6: crying laughing with some of those situations. Somebody going at

2010
01:28:58,840 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 6: the buff pretty good, all right.

2011
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 5: UFC Long Island Attendants was sixteen nine and seventy nine

2012
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 5: and having been at UFC two seventy six a couple

2013
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 5: of weeks ago, I thought the Long Island crowd was better.

2014
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 5: So Long Island really brought it. I thought it was

2015
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 5: a great event. Hopefully they can, you know, come back

2016
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 5: to New York a couple more times next year.

2017
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 7: I thought it was great.

2018
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were loud for sure. And how about you

2019
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 6: going to two of the last three live events.

2020
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, a soft soft flex you know, me and

2021
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 5: Matt Ravolo sitting there watching the fights.

2022
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Speaker 6: But the spoiled part is the steam actually yeah that

2023
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 6: was now the bulldozer for there too.

2024
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 5: Or the cheese roller. The cheese roller was there. But anyway,

2025
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 5: so the vantage point that I had just also, I know,

2026
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 5: we bang on the drum all the time. I think

2027
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 5: the problem with judging is we need to need to

2028
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 5: introduce more judging into like let's start having like ten

2029
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 5: times the amount of judges so we could figure out

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01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 5: who's good and bad because from that vantage point, I

2031
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 5: don't know how you can get the fights wrong. Like

2032
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 5: it's it's such a different experience kind of be in that.

2033
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys know better than I would being

2034
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,759
Speaker 5: at the desk, but it's it's a completely different environment

2035
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 5: than when you're watching at home or in the crowd

2036
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Speaker 5: further away.

2037
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

2038
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Speaker 6: I would just submit to you that at least under

2039
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 6: the under a lot of these commissions. As Kenny knows,

2040
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 6: it just takes a lot of training and a lot

2041
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:19,480
Speaker 6: of amateur rounds. Spillbal Dachi is finally a judge in California.

2042
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 6: Long time number any of the scrap pack. Yeah it's great,

2043
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,759
Speaker 6: but ten years of judging. So I see your point, Cody,

2044
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 6: and maybe we need to sort of lessen some of

2045
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 6: those restrictions. Bill's probably like, don't do it now. It

2046
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 6: took me ten years to get certified. What else do

2047
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 6: you have code?

2048
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing. I'm going to try and become

2049
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 5: a ref just to get my mug on camera, Like

2050
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 5: that's really all I want. I don't people will.

2051
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 7: Talk about me. You want to be a judge because

2052
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 7: the Oh, you want to be a rep.

2053
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 5: So I'll do ball. I'll show up at the post

2054
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 5: fight press conference at the least. I don't care what

2055
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 5: the commission said. I'll show up. But Fight of the

2056
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 5: night Schnell versus Sumudhargy was fantastic performance of the Knights,

2057
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 5: Lamos Jingleang Punahelee, Ricky, Simon, Bill Lgo, Dustin Jacoby. I

2058
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:00,639
Speaker 5: wanted to say that as far as female mixed martial

2059
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 5: arts is concerned, I mean, the highest level that I've

2060
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 5: ever seen were in all three fights on UFC Long Island. So,

2061
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 5: like I said, just the tree I thought. I thought

2062
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 5: Murphy Tait was a very very high level of martial arts.

2063
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 5: So that was a fantastic fight.

2064
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2065
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 6: No, I thought Emily du Cody looked very good in

2066
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 6: her UFC debut as well, and Penne showed a lot

2067
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 6: of toughness with that leg, so yeah, I don't disagree.

2068
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, and a quick so spinning it forward. UFC London

2069
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 5: aka UFC prohibited favorites fourteen of the fights. Seven of

2070
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 5: them are wider than a minus two fifty, which I

2071
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 5: mean kind of the case when you have these London fights,

2072
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 5: you know you want to promote your guys and you

2073
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 5: want to get him some good fights, but pretty crazy,

2074
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 5: but I'm riding the high streak and the Lauren Murphy sweepstakes. Here.

2075
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 5: Taunton picks Paul Kraig by sub plus two thirty third

2076
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 5: active sub attempts in light heavyweight division, seventh active subs

2077
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:53,719
Speaker 5: per minute. He's two to zero in London. Both finishes

2078
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 5: by trying, so that both finishes by triangle in London.

2079
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 5: If your booky, you'll give it to you. The triangle

2080
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 5: for Paul Creek is to.

2081
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 6: Pick all right, Cody Merrow with us for the merrowseconds.

2082
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 6: I'm curious how he would handicap a matchup between Bronstetdter

2083
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Speaker 6: Anakin Florian podcast exclusive as we look back at Ken

2093
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Speaker 6: Flow's win over Alvin Robinson at UFC seventy three. We

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Speaker 6: will have a new one coming up in the next

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Speaker 5: Bronze Setter's minus two hundred.

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Speaker 8: San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 12: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 12: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging cases.

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Speaker 12: In his court, Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 12: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 4: I did it because I was foolish.

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