1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine. 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 2: Hey, Bestie's Happy Labor Day. 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 3: We're celebrating the unsung women of the labor movement with 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 3: Jenny Kaplan. She's the CEO and co founder of Wonder 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 3: Media Network and the host of the Womanica History podcast. 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 3: It's Monday, September tewod. I'm Simone Boyce. 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 4: I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright side from 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 4: Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 4: share women's stories, laugh, learn and brighten your day. On 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 4: my Mind Monday is brought to you by Missus Meyers. 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 4: Clean Day, inspired by the goodness of the garden see money. 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Happy Labor Day. 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: Thank you, Same to you, Danielle, Thank you. 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 4: It is the unofficial end of summer and the kickoff 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 4: to fall, and it is on my Mind Monday, which 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 4: is our opportunity to start the week with some fresh perspective. Simone, 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 4: you always pick the best articles. What is on your 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 4: mind today? Me? 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: Something good? 20 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, no pressure at all. 21 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 3: Okay, I've got one that I would say is a 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 3: companion piece to the episode that you did about viewing 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 3: optimism as a muscle. 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 4: Right. 25 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: So I came across this article in the New York times, 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 3: and it's headlined how to strengthen your happiness muscle. 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: We all need to strengthen our hat. 28 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: That's like, isn't that the goal of everyone's life is 29 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 4: to just be happy? 30 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,919 Speaker 2: Yeah? I want big happiness gains. That's what I'm about. 31 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: So this article says, our drive to seek happiness is 32 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 3: a muscle that we can develop, and we do that 33 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: by strengthening what's called our reward sensitivity. So reward sensitivity 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: is something that we can dial up by simply training 35 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: ourselves to pay attention to and savor positive emotions. So 36 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 3: where's your reward sensitivity, Danielle? Like, on a scale of 37 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: one to ten, where do you think you're at? 38 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 4: I actually have to tell you, I think mine is 39 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 4: pretty low. I don't often reward myself. I don't feel 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 4: like I deserve it, which is crazy to say out loud, 41 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 4: that doesn't that's like so awkward. But I'm like a 42 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: power through, push through type of person, and I don't 43 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 4: often think of rewarding myself. 44 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: Well, you're in luck because I've got some tips for 45 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: you today. Please. 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, do you reward yourself? 47 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 3: I feel like my reward sensitivity is too high. I'm 48 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 3: all about the rewards. I'm all about the little treats. 49 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 3: I need to dial it down. 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you do like a like a millennial treat. 51 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: I love a millennial treat. I'm all about the treat life. 52 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: I just want life to be one big treat. 53 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: Yea. 54 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: But anyways, I think this article might be helpful for 55 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: you or anyone who feels like they're in the same position. 56 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 3: So this writer, Jenny Tates. She is a practicing psychologist, 57 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 3: and she put together a few research back strategies which 58 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: we love to help us do this. 59 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. She said, one way to boost. 60 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: Your reward sensitivity is by practicing a simple exercise every day, 61 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: like plan one activity per day that will make you 62 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: happy or bring this sense of a complishment. 63 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,279 Speaker 2: And it can be something small. 64 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 3: Like getting your favorite fancy beverage I'm a beverage queen. 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 3: I love that, or even just facetiming a friend. I 66 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: love the idea of building this into your calendar every day. 67 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: What do you think? 68 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: I love this. 69 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 4: I actually think it's possibly the only way to make 70 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 4: it happen. I one time was like, I really want 71 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 4: to just call my parents more because it's not happening 72 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 4: in my life, and I had to calendar it and 73 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 4: then it worked, and it's like, not such a hard lift, 74 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 4: you know. 75 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: That's so smart. 76 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, my parents live down the street and I still 77 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: don't talk to them enough. 78 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: So I need to take a page of of your book. 79 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 4: Every time you say that, I'm like, Okay, your life 80 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 4: is everybody loves Raymond. 81 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: It is. My life is literally everybody loves Raymond. My parents. 82 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: I left my leaf flower out on our front porch 83 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: last night so they could come pick it up. Like 84 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: this is this is our suburban dream that really was 85 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: over here. 86 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: Everybody loves Simone and Michael. 87 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: I sure hope. So okay. 88 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: Another tip from this article you can forecast future wins. 89 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: This is so smart. 90 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: So if you're looking at your calendar for the coming 91 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: weeks and you're just overwhelmed with all your obligations, everything 92 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: that you have to do, this article says, pick an 93 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 3: event that's coming up, and then imagine the best possible 94 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 3: outcome for that event instead of the worst possible outcome. 95 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: So let's say you're meeting a friend for a workout 96 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: class you don't really want to go your energy's low. 97 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: Instead of dreading it, think to yourself, Wow, this could 98 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 3: be the best most energizing class ever. 99 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 100 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 3: You're like you're visualizing a positive outcome for yourself. 101 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: I love this. 102 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 4: I think our brains are wired sometimes to think about 103 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 4: what could go wrong instead of what can go right. 104 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, last one for you. You're gonna love this one. 105 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: Expand your joy vocabulary. So instead of describing our positive 106 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: emotions with predictable over words like fine or good or great, 107 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: using more precise words like serene, exhilarated, inspired, delighted can 108 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: validate and intensify those positive emotions. 109 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: I personally, I love the word delighted. 110 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: It it sparks delight when you hear it, when you 111 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: say it. You know how I feel about the word 112 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 3: radiant too. 113 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 4: I was actually gonna mention that because you taught us this, 114 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 4: that if you say radiant you smile. Delight makes you 115 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 4: smile too, Yes, Yes, Surprise and delight Yeah. 116 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: I feel like the delight. 117 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 4: One is maybe the only one I can realistically implement. 118 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: But I'm hereful true, you can do the others. You 119 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: can do it, Danielle. I believe in you. 120 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: It's just so hard to calendar things well. 121 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: I had a delightful time sharing this thought starter with 122 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: you today. 123 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 4: I was delighted to learn and listen. Thank you so much. Well, 124 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 4: another thing that delights both of us is talking about 125 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 4: the significance of women's stories. And today is Labor Day, right, 126 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 4: and there are so many women's stories that are part 127 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 4: of the labor movement that we're not familiar with. So 128 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 4: earlier this summer, for the fourth of July, we talked 129 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 4: to author Matty Kahn about some unsung women in United 130 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 4: States history. 131 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so many of our besties loved hearing about those 132 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 3: stories and those women. So we're excited to keep the 133 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 3: conversation going today. And here to help us tell their 134 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: stories is Jenny Kaplan. She's the host of the Wollmanica 135 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: History podcast and the CEO and co founder of Wonder 136 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: Media Network. She's going to be joining us right after 137 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 3: the break, so stay with us. Thanks to our partners 138 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: at missus Myers. You can learn a lot about a 139 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: person by their dish soap. Missus Meyers's collection of household 140 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: products are inspired by the garden and pack up punch 141 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: against dirt and grime. Visit missus meyers dot com. 142 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: Jenny Well Welcome to the bright Side. 143 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you so much for having me on. 144 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, It's our pleasure. 145 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: You know, our first impressions of the workforce often come 146 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: from what we see modeled inside our own home. And 147 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: your mom, Kathy Manning, seems like an incredible role model. 148 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: She's actually a US congresswoman representing Greensboro, North Carolina. How 149 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: did she shape your idea of ambition growing up? 150 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 5: Wow, what a lovely question to start off on. 151 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 6: I think that growing up, I just always had the 152 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 6: idea that I could do whatever I really wanted to 153 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 6: in terms of there being no barrier in terms of 154 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 6: what I could do based on gender or anything else really, 155 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 6: which is obviously a very privileged position. But also it 156 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 6: really came from the idea that I saw what my 157 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 6: parents were doing and the kinds of things and chances 158 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 6: that they took, and so I learned from them. I 159 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 6: also got to see what it looked like to balance 160 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 6: and family, which is quite a challenge as I now 161 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 6: know I have a child myself, and got to see 162 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 6: also what it looks like to go through different phases 163 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 6: of having a career. My mom was an attorney when 164 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 6: I was growing up, had a really giant volunteer role 165 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 6: in national organizations as I got older. And then it 166 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 6: wasn't until I was in the workforce that my mom 167 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 6: decided to run for Congress. So I got to see 168 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 6: a lot of different sort of periods of growth for 169 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 6: her and see what that could look like for me too. 170 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 4: So when most people here Labor Day, I think, at 171 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 4: least growing up, we think of it as just a 172 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: holiday or day off of school or work, But there's 173 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 4: really so much more behind why we observe it. And 174 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 4: you've produced an entire series on women who transformed the 175 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 4: labor movement, both in the US and around the world. 176 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: What did you discover about the work that these women do? 177 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 6: Totally well, actually, it was just one month of We 178 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 6: have a daily show called Womanica, and it's a five 179 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 6: ish minute day daily podcast where every episode is the 180 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 6: story of a different woman from history who you may 181 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 6: not know about but should. Every month is themed, and 182 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 6: this may our theme was workers. So we talked all 183 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 6: about different women, as you said, who shaped the way 184 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 6: that we do business today, whether they were union leaders 185 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 6: or advocates for sex workers, or the accidental fashion Iconomelia Bloomer, 186 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 6: who made pants really popular for women. 187 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 5: There's so many. 188 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 6: Different ways that women have had huge impacts on the 189 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 6: way that we do work. You know, we spend the 190 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 6: vast majority of our time at work, and so it's 191 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 6: important to think about and acknowledge the progress that's been 192 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 6: made over the past one hundred plus years and also 193 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 6: the significant progress that still needs to come in terms 194 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 6: of making the workplace more equitable. 195 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 4: I was listening to Julia Louis Dreyfus's podcast Wiser than Me, 196 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 4: the episode with Gloria Steynam a few days ago, and 197 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 4: Gloria said history tends to be written by the winners. 198 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 4: Important to have a critical lens through which we view it. 199 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: And it seems so obvious, but I really loved how 200 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 4: she put it, and I think the winners in labor 201 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 4: have really been men. And I'm curious to know what 202 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 4: you discovered about the misconceptions surrounding women's labor and how 203 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 4: history was recorded during that era. 204 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 5: A great question. 205 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 6: All history is certainly framed that way, and I do 206 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 6: want to acknowledge that there has been significant progress. If 207 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 6: I think to my own family and the opportunities that 208 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 6: were available for my grandmother, not just what she was 209 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 6: allowed to do, but the kinds of jobs that she 210 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 6: thought were possible for herself. It basically was like two 211 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 6: things she could do versus then my mom had way 212 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 6: more opportunities, and I have even more. So I do 213 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 6: think it's important to acknowledge that there has been progress, 214 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 6: and that has been because of people who've worked really 215 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 6: hard to make that happen, like many of the women 216 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 6: that we highlighted, so I think often the misconceptions that 217 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 6: we saw over and over again we see in lots 218 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 6: of different areas are just undervaluing what people are capable 219 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 6: of from groups that are discriminated against. So be those 220 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 6: women and especially women of color, people of color. More broadly, like, 221 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 6: there are many of the stories of people who changed 222 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 6: the world and changed the way that we work really 223 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 6: started from you know, no one thought we could do this, 224 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 6: No one thought I could be I could make a difference. 225 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 6: People didn't think I was capable of working in this 226 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 6: kind of field or doing this kind of thing. I 227 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 6: think the other thing that I learned that certainly is 228 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 6: not revolutionary to say, but there is so much power 229 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 6: in group activism. So a lot of the changes and 230 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 6: a lot of the protections that we have today stem 231 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 6: from organized labor, from unions, from you know, really grassroots 232 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 6: movements that made big changes happen over the course of 233 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 6: a long time and very difficult work. So it's important 234 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 6: not to I think, I think put too much credit 235 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 6: on others if they're telling you that, you know, you 236 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 6: can't do something, because it's the people who move beyond 237 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 6: that who end up making these giant changes and help 238 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 6: push all of us forward. 239 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: One of those women who helped push all of us 240 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: forward is Francis Perkins, and she was a significant figure 241 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 3: inside the FDR administration. How should we remember her? 242 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 5: So what a lady? 243 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 6: Francis Perkins was the first woman appointed to the US cabinet. 244 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 6: She served as FDR Secretary of Labor for twelve years, 245 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 6: and I think most notably, to try to summarize, because 246 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 6: she did a lot of things. 247 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 5: We really did. 248 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 6: She became Yeah it's really wild, but she was just 249 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 6: really determined to help solidify worker rights and try to 250 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 6: make make life a little better for everyone who has work. 251 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 6: And she was the driving force behind a lot of 252 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 6: what we all know as sort of new Deal policies. So, 253 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 6: you know, she had all sorts of different positions and 254 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 6: then When FDR asked Frances Perkins to be his labor secretary, 255 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 6: she said he would have to commit to a variety 256 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 6: of social insurance policies, including unemployment relief, a public works program, 257 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 6: minimum wage laws, you know what became social security, and 258 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 6: abolishing child labor. So she really was a driver behind 259 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 6: all of these things that we now think of as 260 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 6: hardcore New Deal policies and sort of the backbone of 261 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 6: our social safety net. 262 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 4: What do you think was her biggest achievement. I think 263 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 4: it's hard to. 264 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 6: Overstate the importance of systems that she put into place 265 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 6: as part of the New Deal. I mean it's really 266 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 6: hard to imagine now getting that sort of number and 267 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 6: that variety of giant social programs past, yeah, that have 268 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 6: changed the way that we work, have really allowed the 269 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 6: country to ensure that a lot more people are not 270 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 6: in incredibly impoverished positions and have the ability to get 271 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 6: help when they need it. So, I mean, even just 272 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 6: child labor laws, it's a pretty big deal. Any single 273 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 6: one of those things would have been huge, But the 274 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 6: fact that she helped to make the first minimum wage law, 275 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 6: the first overtime law, you know, these are all really 276 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 6: giant things and I think Yeah. She also had interesting foresight. 277 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 6: During World War Two. She really saw how valuable it 278 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 6: would be for women not to be drafted and instead 279 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 6: to take over the wartime roles that were left empty 280 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 6: as evidence that women really should be in the workforce 281 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 6: more broadly, or should be able to be in the 282 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 6: workforce more broadly. 283 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 4: She was pretty unbelievable, and it doesn't come without criticism. 284 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: I've read about how her gender really gotten the way 285 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 4: of a lot of things during her fight, but she 286 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 4: never let it stop her. One of the things I 287 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 4: love about her is that she's from my hometown, Chicago. 288 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 4: She held a variety of teaching positions at a rival 289 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 4: high school of mine. She taught chemistry at Lake Forest Academy. 290 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: She was a white collar worker fighting for labor workers' rights, 291 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 4: which is sort of an interesting juxtaposition. Do we know 292 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 4: how she became interested in this work initially? 293 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, So after she graduated from college, she became really 294 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 6: interested in work helping the porn unemployed, and she started 295 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 6: lobbying for workers' rights. And then she witnessed the Triangle 296 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 6: shirtwaist fire and sort of doubled down on her interest 297 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 6: to really try to make a difference. 298 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: Wow. Moving on to our next activist, Florence Saint John, 299 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: there really is no discussion of equal pay the kinds 300 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: of conversations that we have today without mentioning Florence and 301 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: her contribution to this issue in the nineteen thirties. 302 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: Would you tell us her story? 303 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 5: I would love to. 304 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 6: It's interesting, I think, particularly because Florence's story is so significant, 305 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 6: and yet it was also largely forgotten for quite a 306 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 6: long time. So Florence Saint John was a worker at 307 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 6: General Motors at the Old's Motorwork factory in. 308 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 5: Lansing, Michigan. 309 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 6: She was one of three hundred workers at the factory, 310 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 6: one of thirty women. And the women at that point 311 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 6: in time when she started working there, they were doing 312 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 6: all the same work as the men. 313 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 5: They thought they were being treated the same way. 314 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 6: And then one day Florence and some other workers were 315 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 6: playing paycheck poker. They were betting paper checks in the game, 316 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 6: and Florence noticed that men who were on the same 317 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 6: shifts as the women, many of whom were actually less 318 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 6: senior than the women they were playing with, were making 319 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 6: more money because she could see their paychecks as they 320 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 6: were betting them. So she tried to take action via 321 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 6: the union. The managers at GM wouldn't budget. Some of 322 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 6: them actually said they'd rather not have women on the 323 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 6: floor at all. Eventually, GM created a specific women's division 324 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 6: and changed the kind of work that they were given, 325 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 6: gave them more sort of remedial time asks, separating it 326 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 6: out specifically so that they could justify paying the women less, 327 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 6: even though women ended up doing labor intensive work anyway. Then, 328 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 6: a decade into working at GM, Florence called on a 329 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 6: couple of well known trial attorneys. Together they gathered twenty 330 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 6: eight claims from women and filed a lawsuit against GM. 331 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 6: That was really the first time women banded together legally 332 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 6: to demand lost wages in this kind of way. The 333 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 6: lawsuit dragged on. It actually took three years before the 334 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 6: Michigan Supreme Court even ruled that Florence had standing for 335 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 6: The lawsuit continued to drag on, and eventually, after a 336 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 6: long slog, GM was forced to present payroll records and 337 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 6: the judge ruled in favor of the women, and so 338 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 6: GM was ordered to pay a little more than fifty 339 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 6: five thousand dollars to Florence and the twenty eight women, 340 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 6: which today would be something like three quarters of a 341 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 6: million dollars. So yeah, it was a really big deal. 342 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 6: Inspired lots of other wage discrimination lawsuits and all. So 343 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 6: for the subsequent two decades, twenty one states passed wage 344 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 6: equity bills. In nineteen sixty three, the US passed the 345 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 6: Equal Pay Act. It was just a really, really significant 346 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 6: win for workers. 347 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 4: We have to take a quick break, but we'll be 348 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 4: right back with more from Jenny Kaplan. Stick with us, 349 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 4: and we're back with Jenny Kaplan. 350 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: All right, Next, we're going to talk about Addie Wyatt. 351 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 3: I think it's really important to note, since we're in 352 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 3: an audio medium, that this is. 353 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: A black woman. 354 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 3: She was a labor activist focused on how gender and 355 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 3: race shaped the idea of what jobs people are qualified for. 356 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: And it sounds like she got herself into some good trouble. 357 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 3: Would you share what happened? 358 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 4: Yes? 359 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 6: So, Addie why it's an amazing story. She just got 360 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 6: involved in so many different ways in pushing civil rights, 361 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 6: labor rights, women's all the rights, women's rights forward. She 362 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 6: was just such an credible advocate. She was born in 363 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 6: Mississippi in nineteen twenty four. When she was six, her 364 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 6: family moved to Chicago, she sort of by accident became 365 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 6: a factory floor worker and sort of snuck into a 366 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 6: typing test instead that was only available to white women. 367 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 6: And then when she showed up for work, they just 368 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 6: automatically led her to the factory floor, and she became 369 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 6: a factory floor worker and actually made more money. 370 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 5: Doing that than she would have as a typist. 371 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 6: She joined the United Packing House Workers of America pretty 372 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 6: quickly and got to see how unions would help protect 373 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 6: her rights. So, for example, pretty quickly after joining the 374 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 6: factory tried to hire a white woman in her place, 375 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 6: and the union used its seniority clause to help keep 376 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 6: Baddie's job. When she became pregnant with her second child, 377 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 6: Addie was eligible for up to a year of parental 378 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 6: leave because of union negotiations. She just really saw the 379 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 6: value personally of what non discrimination could do, and then 380 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 6: she just kept rising up the ranks of union leadership 381 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 6: and became the first black woman elected vice president of 382 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 6: her local chapter of the UPWA. She kept rising up 383 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 6: the ranks. She and her husband became pals with doctor 384 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 6: Martin Luther King Junior, and really helped join and push 385 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 6: forward the civil rights movement. More broadly, she became an 386 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 6: ordained minister, She founded a church in Chicago, and eventually, 387 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 6: in nineteen sixty two, she was appointed to JFK's Commission 388 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 6: on the Status of Women, serving on as Labor Legislation Committee. 389 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 5: She just did all sorts of stuff. 390 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 6: She co founded the National Organization for Women, she co 391 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 6: founded the Coalition of Black Trade Unionists, and she co 392 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 6: founded the Coalition of Labor Union Women. 393 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 5: So she was very busy this lady. 394 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 4: You mentioned that she was a contemporary of doctor Martin 395 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 4: Luther King junior. Did she marry her civil rights with 396 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: her labor activism? 397 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 6: With really all of the activists here, I think it's 398 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 6: important to note it's hard to separate out these issues. 399 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 6: It's not like you can just fight for workers' rights 400 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 6: without understanding the way that workers' rights intersect with gender 401 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 6: rights and race and class and all of the different 402 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 6: kinds of discriminations that exist intersect with what happens in 403 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 6: the workplace, because again, it's where we spend most of 404 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 6: our time. So she certainly used She was an activist 405 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 6: on all of these different fronts and all of the 406 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 6: intersectionality that comes with being a real person in the world. 407 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 3: Finally, the last figure that we'd like to highlight is 408 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: Pat Shrouder and she was actually born in nineteen forty 409 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 3: and just passed away last year. 410 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 2: What's her legacy? 411 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 6: Pat Schroeder was a representative in the US House of 412 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 6: Representatives for twenty four years and she had just an 413 00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,239 Speaker 6: absolutely enormous legacy in terms of the work that she 414 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 6: did focused on women's and workers' issues while she was 415 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 6: in Congress, So she had an interesting history, and she. 416 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 5: Had her pilot's license. 417 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 6: She went to the University of Minnesota because it's ROTC 418 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 6: program included aircraft. She then went to Harvard Law School 419 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 6: and became a lawyer. She was one of only fifteen 420 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 6: women in a class of more than five hundred people, 421 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 6: and then married a classmate, moved to Denver and worked 422 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 6: for the National Labor Relations Board and also as a 423 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 6: volunteer legal counsel for Planned Parenthood. She then sort of 424 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 6: had a interlude where she left to raise her family. 425 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 6: When her husband was on part of a committee of 426 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 6: Democrats looking for a candidate to challenge the incumbent congress person. 427 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 6: He came home and was basically like guess whose name 428 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 6: came up? And it was hers, so she ran for 429 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 6: Congress and was elected. I think interestingly, a lot of 430 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 6: the headline read Denver housewife runs for Congress, sort of 431 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 6: not mentioning the fact that she was a Harvard educated 432 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 6: lawyer and had significant experience in the workplace too. But 433 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 6: she won the primary, the general, and was in Congress 434 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 6: for again twenty four years. When she joined, she was 435 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 6: just one of fourteen women in the House. She described 436 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 6: it as a guy gulag, which I think is colorful 437 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 6: and fun. And she had to deal with all kinds 438 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 6: of discrimination. As early as during her swearing in, the 439 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 6: Speaker of the House tried to swear in her husband 440 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 6: instead of her wow at the actual swearing in ceremony, 441 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 6: but she made such Despite having to face such challenges, 442 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 6: she got a lot done. She co founded and co 443 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 6: chaired the Congressional Caucus for Women's Issues. She played a 444 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 6: key role in getting the Pregnancy Discrimination Act passed, which 445 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 6: still today prevents employers from dismissing women because they're pregnant 446 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 6: or denying them maternity benefits. She was vital to the 447 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 6: Economic Equity Act, the Child Abuse Prevention Act, the Violence 448 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 6: Against Women Act. She opened military jobs up to women 449 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 6: also helped to advocate for and pass the Family and 450 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 6: Medical Leave Act. She I think really represents how there 451 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 6: are different ways of making a huge difference for people 452 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 6: in the workplace, whether you are a union activist or 453 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 6: someone who gets started on the factory floor. 454 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 5: You know, a teacher, or. 455 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 6: A congress person or however, there are lots of different 456 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 6: ways to have an impact, But what happens at work 457 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 6: affects all of us, and so I think Pat's story 458 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 6: is really amazing in terms of she she got to 459 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 6: Congress in a way that beat the odds and then 460 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 6: managed to be really, really productive while she was there, 461 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 6: which is a hard thing to do, difficult to imagine 462 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 6: quite that much happening at this exact moment in Congress. 463 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 4: I think a lot of times people who push for 464 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 4: change are in able to actually see the way they 465 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 4: have changed people's lives because legislation takes a long time. 466 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 4: She was in Congress for more than twenty years. Do 467 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 4: you feel like she was able to see the benefits 468 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 4: that people receive from all of her hard work and 469 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 4: her labor and her initiatives. 470 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 6: Even just in the number of her colleagues who were 471 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 6: women who changed over time, the first show we ever 472 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 6: produced at Wondermedia Network. The company that I founded was 473 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 6: called Women Belong in the House with the capital H 474 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 6: and we. I spoke with many women who've been in 475 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 6: Congress in different eras for different lengths of time, and 476 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 6: I think that it has changed in a really significant 477 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 6: way over time, just in terms of what issues are 478 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 6: brought up on the floor, the number of people who 479 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 6: understand what we're talking about here when different congress people 480 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 6: bring up issues that are particularly relevant for women, for 481 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 6: people of color, because previously there just was the kind 482 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 6: of representation that was necessary to bring those issues to 483 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 6: a point where there was a large amount of consensus 484 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 6: versus feeling like you're the only person in the room. 485 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 6: So I think that she certainly would have seen that change. 486 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 6: And if you think about from nineteen seventy three to now, 487 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 6: that's a lot of progress has been made in terms 488 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 6: of protections, particularly for women in the workforce. 489 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,479 Speaker 3: Whenever we do these retrospectives, I think it's really easy 490 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: to feel disconnected from women like this because women dressed differently, 491 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: they carried themselves differently in society. There were so many 492 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: elements of life that were not accessible to them, and 493 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 3: yet they all believed in this truth that still rings 494 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 3: true today, which is that racism and sexism are actually 495 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 3: economic issues. What's your understanding of how that paradigm still 496 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: shows up in society today. 497 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 6: I think that it's often people try to separate out 498 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 6: the economy from sort of like kitchen table issues or 499 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 6: other social issues, when in fact it's all tied together. 500 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 6: The economy is really just money and how money flows 501 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 6: in our society, and the discrimination against women, against people 502 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 6: of color, against all sorts of different kinds of people 503 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 6: shows up in subtle and not so subtle ways, in 504 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 6: terms of people being left out of job candidate pools, 505 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 6: receiving less compensation for the same work, not getting the 506 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 6: kinds of benefits that other You know, it's all the 507 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 6: same stuff that we've heard about lots and lots of times. 508 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 6: It isn't separate. You can't separate out the economy from 509 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 6: our actual everyday purchasing habits and how we get treated 510 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 6: at work, how we get paid at work, the kinds 511 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 6: of initiatives. And I think it sometimes is difficult to 512 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 6: see because the way that we talk about economic policies 513 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 6: can be pretty just. The language that's used can be 514 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 6: more technical sounding than I think it needs to be, 515 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 6: and that is I think isolating, when in fact, these 516 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 6: are issues that affect all of us and how we 517 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 6: can afford to live our lives. 518 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: Jenny, thank you so much for joining us on the 519 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 2: bright side. 520 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. 521 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: Thanks Jenny. 522 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: Jenny Kaplan is the CEO and co founder of the 523 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 3: Wonder Media Network and the host of Womanica, a podcast 524 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 3: that tells the stories of women you don't know but should. 525 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: We hope you're having a great long weekend, besties. We 526 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 3: hope you are choosing yourself, whether that looks like relaxation 527 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 3: or spending time with the people that you love. Danielle, 528 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 3: what are you up to today? 529 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 4: I am not laboring for the first time in a 530 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 4: long time. I am going to hang out after this. 531 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 4: I might go watch a TV show, hang out with 532 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 4: my friends. 533 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to unlabor. How about you. 534 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: We are observing the holiday. Very cute, very cute. I 535 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: am in Santa Monica. Actually, we spontaneously just decided to 536 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 3: do a little staycation and get an airbnb, and we 537 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: don't live anywhere near the beach, so it's so nice 538 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 3: to just come here and be near the water because 539 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 3: it's so therapeutic. So I'm going to be chillin' by 540 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 3: the beach, by the pool and just soaking up this 541 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 3: CALLI Sun for as long as we can. 542 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: That sounds so relaxing. 543 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 4: I love that for you and your family, and to 544 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 4: everybody out there listening, keep enjoying your last days of summer. 545 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: And that's it for today's show. 546 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 4: Tomorrow, we're talking women in Leadership with CNBC's senior Media 547 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 4: and Tech correspondent Julia Borston. She's telling us how women 548 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 4: can leverage the qualities that we already have to succeed 549 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 4: in the workplace. 550 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: And thank you to our partners at Airbnb. 551 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 4: Listen and follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app, 552 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 4: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 553 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: I'm Simone Boys. 554 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: You can find me at Simone Boice on Instagram and TikTok. 555 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 4: I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok. 556 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: That's ro Bay. We'll see you tomorrow. 557 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 4: Keep looking on the bright side.