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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio went to see a screening of the
Speaker 1: movie Air. This is Ben Affleck and Matt Damon by
Speaker 1: Ola Davis, and it's the story about Sonny Vicaro, who
Speaker 1: was the sneaker guy at Nikeing, and he was responsible
Speaker 1: for signing all these coaches and got them big money. Therefore,
Speaker 1: their programs were going to be wearing Nikes. But in
Speaker 1: they were really struggling. They didn't have any basketball players.
Speaker 1: They had a lot of runners. Nike was known as
Speaker 1: a running shoe. And then Sonny mccarro was hired by
Speaker 1: Phil Knight, and Sonny would go around the country and
Speaker 1: he would see all these high school players. He ran
Speaker 1: the Dapper Dan Basketball tournament in Pittsburgh. But you had
Speaker 1: competition back then, Adidas was tops. Adidas was the number
Speaker 1: one shoe, then convers and then Nike was a distant third.
Speaker 1: Sonny mccaro realized that the hopes of Nike and their
Speaker 1: basketball department rested on the shoulders of Michael Jordan. He
Speaker 1: just said that he was the guy. Now he went
Speaker 1: third in the draft. A came, then Samboe and then
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. But Sonny McCarroll said, no, he's special. And
Speaker 1: he goes back to the national title game when Michael
Speaker 1: hits the game winning shot, and Sonny was sold on
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan because he said, here's a freshman. James Worthy
Speaker 1: is the star of North Carolina. Dean Smith runs a
Speaker 1: play worthies the decoy to let Michael Jordan take the shot.
Speaker 1: Sonny was sold on Michael jordan stardom. And he goes
Speaker 1: to Phil Knight and he says, look, we got this
Speaker 1: amount of money two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and
Speaker 1: they were going to spread it out over three draft picks.
Speaker 1: They looked at John Stockton and mel Turpin, Lancaster Gordon,
Speaker 1: you know some of these other players. Sonny goes, no,
Speaker 1: it's Michael Jordan. Well, Jordan's ready to sign with Adidas,
Speaker 1: and Sonny's like, I'm not gonna let it happen. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna figure this out. And that's what the movie is about.
Speaker 1: It's about Sonny Vicarro trying to encourage Entice Michael Jordan's
Speaker 1: mom played by Viola Davis, to sign with Nike. Mike
Speaker 1: didn't want to go to Portland, Oregon, or you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't want to go to Oregon, Beaverton, Oregon. His
Speaker 1: mom said, no, we're going. He took his other meetings. Converse,
Speaker 1: went to Germany to meet with Adidas and then went
Speaker 1: to Nike, and then they rolled out the red carpet
Speaker 1: for him. They made the Jordan shoe a prototype and
Speaker 1: they put it in front of him, and back then
Speaker 1: you couldn't have it. You had to have your shoe
Speaker 1: be predominantly white. There was red in it. And then
Speaker 1: they decided they were going to roll the dice they
Speaker 1: were putting in red and black. They were giving him
Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls colors, and that's what Jordan saw and he's thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, they said they're making the shoe with Michael
Speaker 1: in mind, instead of we got a shoe, you get
Speaker 1: to wear it. And that was the genius that I
Speaker 1: think set off a light bulb with Michael. Jordan's mom,
Speaker 1: who was instrumental in all of this. She's the one
Speaker 1: that made this. She's the one that made one of
Speaker 1: the greatest business deals in history because she said, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go here, but we want a percentage of
Speaker 1: every single air Jordan Sultan. They were gonna pay her
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, pay my two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars. He wanted a Mercedes and they
Speaker 1: were like, all right, and then Dolores Jordan says, we
Speaker 1: want a percentage of every single shoe that he sells.
Speaker 1: At the time, it was mind blowing for any shoe
Speaker 1: company to even think that. But Jordan had a brand.
Speaker 1: He didn't know he had a brand. Nike helped create
Speaker 1: a brand, and his philosophy, as mom's philosophy, was hey
Speaker 1: I'm going to be selling this when I play, I
Speaker 1: sell this, and and you know he flipped it on
Speaker 1: the the shoe companies, and it's one of the great
Speaker 1: business deals, you know, Mike makes. I think they estimate
Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars a year off his shoes. But
Speaker 1: Matt Damon plays Sonny McCarroll. I think Sonny's gonna Jonas
Speaker 1: on the show tomorrow. I've known him gosh almost forty
Speaker 1: years now. And Ben Affleck plays Phil Knight, the CEO
Speaker 1: of Nike. Viola Davis plays Michael Jordan's mom, and she's great.
Speaker 1: She steals the movie. Although Matt Damon as Sonny McCarroll
Speaker 1: was great. Sonny's one of the heroes, and so is
Speaker 1: Mike's mom. Michael Jordan, whoever is playing Michael Jordan, doesn't
Speaker 1: really factor in. You see him, but I think he's
Speaker 1: only got a couple of lines in there. Chris Tucker,
Speaker 1: who works for Nike great, he was funny. And the
Speaker 1: guy who plays David Falk, I think his name is
Speaker 1: Chris Messina. He's spectacular. Now. I had it in Hounters
Speaker 1: with David Falk, but I never remember David Falk having
Speaker 1: a volcanic personality like that. He could be angry and
Speaker 1: he could go right at you. But in the movie,
Speaker 1: David falk Is portrayed that way as he is cutthroat.
Speaker 1: He has no friends, doesn't care about how any friends.
Speaker 1: It's all about business deals. But they have a screening
Speaker 1: in New York City. So I came to the city
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, his invitation. Only first person I
Speaker 1: see is Key from Key and Peel Keegan Michael Michael Key,
Speaker 1: first guy I see. So I said, what's up? He goes,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Aaron? You know. We exchanged pleasantries
Speaker 1: and then he goes, I think you know this guy.
Speaker 1: I look over it to Adam Schefter, I said, chefte,
Speaker 1: I said, what are you doing? He goes just here
Speaker 1: to see this Dan I'm doing well. Did he have
Speaker 1: a shirt on? He did? Yeah. I saw mclovin he
Speaker 1: was there, and I saw Hannah Storm and Dan Hicks
Speaker 1: were there. I believe a real housewife of New York
Speaker 1: might have been there, according to my daughter, who was
Speaker 1: my plus one. Yeah, I know more about the Jersey Ones.
Speaker 1: I think somebody from Saturday Night Live might have been there,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't sure. But my daughter was my plus one. Yesh,
Speaker 1: eton were a lot of people wearing Jordans. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And I said to my daughter, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna wear Nike. And then she goes, well I'm not either.
Speaker 1: I said okay. And then there was a couple behind
Speaker 1: me and they had their you know, brand spanking new
Speaker 1: Airson and U I said, oh you worrr Jordan. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be a thing. People going to watch this
Speaker 1: movie are going to wear their air Jordans. And then
Speaker 1: she said, well what do you have on? I go
Speaker 1: hookas and she goes hookas. I said yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm walking around the city. It's comfortable. I said, those
Speaker 1: air Jordan's aren't comfortable. The originals as aren't comfortable. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm an old man. I'm walking around. I want to feel,
Speaker 1: you know, comfortable walking around. Plus, I'm not gonna wear
Speaker 1: my shoes out and I don't have any. I have
Speaker 1: a couple of the Originals. I have the red and black,
Speaker 1: and I have the green and white. And then I
Speaker 1: have a couple of like Air Jordan golf shoes. But
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wear those things. I don't. Yeah, pull,
Speaker 1: I looked at the picture you sent us Afflecks got
Speaker 1: a nice pair of Bowld Jordan's. Yes, he does Violda
Speaker 1: Davis as a pair on as well. They did Q
Speaker 1: and A after and so it was Affleck and it
Speaker 1: was Matt Damon, Violda Davis, a couple of other Chris
Speaker 1: Tucker wasn't there, Christmassina Jay Moore has a real, real, real,
Speaker 1: real small cameo that should have gone to me. But hey,
Speaker 1: that's the side fact. It's okay, Yes, Hunt, is there
Speaker 1: a question you wanted to ask? And you're like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get involved, Well, my daughter said, because
Speaker 1: I had to get back to entertain a nation today
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to cheat this audience. And I
Speaker 1: couldn't stay because they had a reception afterwards. Though movie
Speaker 1: is an hour and fifty two minutes, and then they
Speaker 1: had Q and A for about twenty five minutes, and
Speaker 1: then I had to get on the road. Right before
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to go, my daughter goes, are
Speaker 1: you going to ask a question? I go, no, there's
Speaker 1: no question you want to ask. Well, hopefully we have
Speaker 1: Affleck and Damon on the show and I can ask
Speaker 1: them the question then, But people are asking questions and
Speaker 1: I said, let me, let me get out of here.
Speaker 1: So I ducked out and h But it was nice.
Speaker 1: I would strongly strongly recommend the movie. I thought it
Speaker 1: was great. But it, you know, kind of creates that
Speaker 1: tension of a story that you didn't really know. We
Speaker 1: just know Jordan went to Nike. What happened with Jordan
Speaker 1: going to Nike? You know? That's the story about it.
Speaker 1: And it was well done. Music is awesome in it.
Speaker 1: I thought Ben Affleck did a great job putting this
Speaker 1: all together. Yeah, Pa all the time, Michael Jordan got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: time he got some coverage. Yeah, that's exactly what Lebron
Speaker 1: was hoping for. How about a Michael Jordan movie now
Speaker 1: to Yeah, let's let's congrats my angle the greatest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not going to be doing Lebron movies, I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if they'll be a Lebron
Speaker 1: unless Lebron produces. Does Lebron do a ten part series
Speaker 1: on Lebron at some point in fifteen years, Yes see
Speaker 1: he will, but it'll be like a cartoon series for
Speaker 1: kids or something like that. Like I feel like he
Speaker 1: does all that stuff already. Yes, he does an eleven
Speaker 1: part series, Oh five years, Oh you think, I don't
Speaker 1: think so if he gets another title than me. And
Speaker 1: you know the story of Lebron is worthy of a
Speaker 1: movie of him growing up. You know what he's done.
Speaker 1: But this, this changed everything in the world of sports
Speaker 1: being a brand. Jordan changed that. And I thought Muhammad
Speaker 1: Ali would have been a brand, and he might have
Speaker 1: been a brand. I just don't he didn't capitalized the
Speaker 1: way Jordan did. Because he had shoes that everybody wanted.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to play basketball to wear them. They
Speaker 1: became a fashion statement. Now the Adidas the shelt to
Speaker 1: me is the best shoe I've ever had. I think
Speaker 1: it looks awesome. I still think it looks awesome. And
Speaker 1: you know, but what Jordan did, he created and Nike
Speaker 1: says this, They were gonna find Michael Jordan every game
Speaker 1: that he wore the shoes that had red and black
Speaker 1: on it, and Nike says, will pay the fine because
Speaker 1: we're gonna get free advertising and then we'll do a
Speaker 1: commercial about it. And it was really the marketing around
Speaker 1: this was great. Yeah. Pay If you remember Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: that season when he debuted the shoes, he was really
Speaker 1: breaking out. I think that was a second year or
Speaker 1: at the end of his first year. And he went on, Letterman,
Speaker 1: if they put the clip in the movie, and they
Speaker 1: did not. They showed and Jordan's holding up his shoes
Speaker 1: and they're all black and red. Remember the all black
Speaker 1: and red ones. He goes, yeah, And Dave asked me,
Speaker 1: because I heard you couldn't wear him for a while. Well,
Speaker 1: they said I couldn't wear him because there's no black
Speaker 1: in him. And there's long pause, awkward pause, and Dave
Speaker 1: goes kind of like the NBA or no white. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: no white to him. He goes just like the NBA,
Speaker 1: and they have a Letterman kind of played with it.
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Speaker 1: now Cam Newton could be starting NFL quarterback, a respectable
Speaker 1: backup quarterback, or a TV analyst. Yeah, Cam is going
Speaker 1: to be having a Pro day at Auburn today, or
Speaker 1: at least he's the quarterback during the pro day. But
Speaker 1: I think it's a chance for him to audition. What
Speaker 1: are the results heat Fifty percent say a respectable backup,
Speaker 1: forty six percent say a TV analyst. Right now, there's
Speaker 1: only four percent of the audience that thinks he could
Speaker 1: be a starting quarterback. Yeah, this is where if you
Speaker 1: have people around you, you need to have somebody say
Speaker 1: you're not a starting quarterback anymore, and you don't want
Speaker 1: to hear it. But that's the truth with Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: He's not a starting quarterback. He may get a chance.
Speaker 1: I don't want him as a backup. I think I
Speaker 1: think he's he's too big of a personality. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he runs a forty today. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he just passes throws the passes. But I think
Speaker 1: he could be a really good analyst because he looks
Speaker 1: he's very charismatic, you know, photogenic. I could see him
Speaker 1: if he cares about doing something like that. Yeah, see
Speaker 1: he you kind of hit on it before. But if
Speaker 1: he can be on the sideline but not in uniform,
Speaker 1: that he could be a great mentor or I don't know,
Speaker 1: like a good vibes guy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: If you're not worrying about him playing or wanting to
Speaker 1: get his touches or whatever. But just like a vibes guy,
Speaker 1: he could probably be great on the sideline. Imagine him
Speaker 1: helping Anthony richardson dues and don'ts of a quarterback that
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Speaker 1: quarterback rankings going into the draft. Frank Wright, the Carolina
Speaker 1: Panthers head coach, had a press conference and he was
Speaker 1: he was addressing a lot of things, it felt like
Speaker 1: and he didn't need to, but it had to do
Speaker 1: with the height of Bryce Young at Alabama and would
Speaker 1: he consider him with the number one pick. Everything matters.
Speaker 1: All those conversations matter, especially when it's Scott Fitter. You know,
Speaker 1: it's the GM and he's talking about a guy like
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, who, by the way, I had a very
Speaker 1: high grade on. Don't don't. You don't have to read
Speaker 1: anything into that. But I don't mind telling you that
Speaker 1: I had a high grade on Russell Wilson. Okay, but
Speaker 1: don't read anything into it. I'm just saying that because
Speaker 1: all these people are putting this label on me that
Speaker 1: I only work with big quarterbacks. Don't read anything into that.
Speaker 1: When you got the number one pick, the thing is
Speaker 1: is right, you know, we don't have to play games, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like we're trying to fool anybody.
Speaker 1: What we're trying to do is take all the time
Speaker 1: we can on the evaluation. There's a lot of conviction,
Speaker 1: as Scott said, on some of these top quarterbacks. And
Speaker 1: you're right, the old ads don't make a decision before
Speaker 1: you have to. We're gonna take every second every day,
Speaker 1: or every hour every day to make this decision. And
Speaker 1: we still got plenty of time left. Okay, you don't
Speaker 1: have to explain anything, Frank, you have the number one pick.
Speaker 1: You didn't clear up anything other than hey, I had
Speaker 1: a great grade on Russell Wilson. You don't read anything
Speaker 1: into that, okay, because russ is six feet tall and
Speaker 1: Bryce Young is five ten. But we're not going to
Speaker 1: read anything that. Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live co
Speaker 1: host NBC Football Night in America analysts, what's Frank Reich
Speaker 1: saying or not saying? I think he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: still toting the line of like I'm not we're not
Speaker 1: sure what we're going to do here yet, right. That's
Speaker 1: the that's the great thing. I think what Carolina did here, Dan,
Speaker 1: I mean, they were kind of in no band's land
Speaker 1: as far as the number nine pick of the draft. Right,
Speaker 1: you're in danger of weight, we might not get one
Speaker 1: of the top guys, so they make a move here.
Speaker 1: Nobody is fully confident in their draft board as it
Speaker 1: stands right now in the middle of March. Teams just
Speaker 1: ended free agencies. So what they did and the premium
Speaker 1: they paid to get to number one is now to go, Wait,
Speaker 1: we got the pick of the litter, and we can
Speaker 1: evaluate this. And so he's just trying to make sure
Speaker 1: guys like you and me can't glean anything to where
Speaker 1: they're leaning or anything like that right now. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure they don't know exactly what they're gonna do as
Speaker 1: of right now. Okay, you're Carolina's GM. Yeah, you're taking
Speaker 1: who number one overall, I'm taking CJ. Stroud and it's
Speaker 1: not I'm mean, I'm I'm a big CJ. Stroud fan.
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of in a class by himself. Okay,
Speaker 1: walk me through the evaluation, because you said this isn't close. CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud is the best quarterback going into the draft, right CJ. Stroud?
Speaker 1: I mean one, hey, listen the size thing, and then
Speaker 1: you know, compared to my number two quarterback and Bryce Young. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a real issue. It's concerning one for Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: Two sizes a strength, it's a skill. Right. We talk
Speaker 1: about this a lot, right Dan, the ability for the
Speaker 1: bigger quarterbacks to throw with people hanging around them. I
Speaker 1: can't step up and into the step into this throw,
Speaker 1: but I still am big enough, is strong enough to
Speaker 1: throw a twenty yard out route, So I always lean
Speaker 1: towards that. But then when you break down CJ. Stroud,
Speaker 1: like I guess I was a little blown away by
Speaker 1: the fact of one, his decision making is borderline flawless.
Speaker 1: I think it's not as good as I've seen other
Speaker 1: than maybe Joe Burrow. He's the only guy I would
Speaker 1: maybe give the edge too. As far as that department
Speaker 1: and then throwing the football mechanics are flawless. And it's
Speaker 1: not like it's dink and dunk and screens and all
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. Dan, it's one fifteen and twenty
Speaker 1: and twenty five yard throw after another, you know. And
Speaker 1: of course I think the movement is underrated a little bit.
Speaker 1: There's still some untapped potential in this kid. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he's clearly Number one for me, and I would be
Speaker 1: shocked if more people don't see it that way. As
Speaker 1: the NFL evaluators continue to go through the process, we're
Speaker 1: trying to evaluate Ohio State quarterbacks in Alabama quarterbacks because
Speaker 1: other receivers Ohio State has become wide receiver. You yeah,
Speaker 1: and how does that factor in when you're looking at CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud going he's got some of the best wide receivers
Speaker 1: in college for sure. Sure, No, I mean I definitely
Speaker 1: look at that. You know, that was one of the
Speaker 1: things that even like you know, with justin Fields. Back
Speaker 1: to that conversation you weren't sure about, but you know
Speaker 1: also within that the offense is a little different than
Speaker 1: what they ran with justin Fields. You get to see
Speaker 1: so many throws and CJ. Stroud play like a professional
Speaker 1: quarterback with decision making, the concepts down the field, how
Speaker 1: he moves in the pocket that you know, Hey, yeah, Dan,
Speaker 1: there's some guys that are wide open. But you know
Speaker 1: what happens every time they're wide open. It's on the
Speaker 1: money and they keep running and it's a touchdown. So
Speaker 1: he takes advantage of that to its utmost. But as
Speaker 1: you know too, there's plenty of them. There's plenty of
Speaker 1: plays where coverage is tight. Oh my gosh, whoa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the only guy that's open. This is an
Speaker 1: NFL window. He's only opened by four or five inches.
Speaker 1: Boom strike. I mean, it's one really great throw after another.
Speaker 1: And he's pretty aggressive of a decision making, but not
Speaker 1: crazy aggressive. Uh So, yeah, you take all those things
Speaker 1: in an account, but you get to see plenty of
Speaker 1: you know, other stuff that's not easy from CJ. Strout there. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're seeing it, Yeah, are other analysts are other you
Speaker 1: know team's gonna see this, I think. So I like
Speaker 1: this though, Chris I said, well, you got to do
Speaker 1: is put in the Georgia game, right, I think, well, again,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, talking heads, the media, the hype
Speaker 1: around Bryce Young, it is Alabama, he won a Heisman,
Speaker 1: all of that is gonna lend itself. We've been everybody's
Speaker 1: been been told that Bryce Young was the number one
Speaker 1: pick for a long long time, you know. And as
Speaker 1: I said too, you know, I think NFL evaluators are
Speaker 1: just really getting into this where I do think as
Speaker 1: time goes on, I have a hard time thinking that, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna start going oh no, CJ. Stroud is clearly
Speaker 1: number one, you know, And this isn't to me. This
Speaker 1: isn't like a Zach Wilson, Trevor Lawrence. Oh it's so close,
Speaker 1: I'm nipticky or I'm trying to be you know, different
Speaker 1: because I like a strong arm quarterback or anything like that. No,
Speaker 1: this dude checks all the boxes. And then, like you said,
Speaker 1: some of the untapped potential that you see in the
Speaker 1: Georgia game, where you go, oh, the backyard element, the
Speaker 1: ability to run, it's there more than he's given it credit.
Speaker 1: For but that should have been the you know, the
Speaker 1: point that drives at home that he can do it
Speaker 1: just about against anybody. All Right, you brought up Zack Wilson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you liked him more than Trevor Lawrence. I did, right?
Speaker 1: Do you still do you still like him more than
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence? Well, of course not. I mean you know
Speaker 1: how you know, how do you do that? Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: has entered the top five quarterbacks in football conversation. Now again,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is over. That's the other thing too.
Speaker 1: I mean, after year one, I was looking like, hey,
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson was the better quarterback. Christims is right? Year
Speaker 1: two yeah, and negative goes right certainly. And again, Dan,
Speaker 1: I think you know me well enough. I'm if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I'm not going to sit here and try
Speaker 1: to rejustify myself seventy four different times here. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence right now is on a skyrocket to superstartum. Right,
Speaker 1: I see what I get nervous about the one and
Speaker 1: done quarterbacks. Zach Wilson was a one and done quarterback
Speaker 1: where they do one thing, they do it for one year.
Speaker 1: Whereas I got to see a body of work. The
Speaker 1: sample size was larger with Trevor Lawrence and some of
Speaker 1: these other quarterbacks. It's just and you have more available
Speaker 1: that you can critique and analyze. Zach Wilson had one,
Speaker 1: I think, really tough game and that was Coastal Carolina.
Speaker 1: Didn't look good. Yeah, no, I listen, you're right. That's experience,
Speaker 1: and you know what I think is I look at it.
Speaker 1: One I don't love is throwing motions mechanics. There's real
Speaker 1: like flaws that are tangible there that lead to inconsistence.
Speaker 1: He's you know, you take his ten or fifteen best
Speaker 1: throws Dan and you go, oh my gosh, that's as
Speaker 1: good as anybody on the planet. But you know, then
Speaker 1: you could see ten or fifteen throws in that same
Speaker 1: game and go, damn, he's better than that. How does
Speaker 1: he miss that? Or why does you know? Why did
Speaker 1: the ball leave his hand like that? So decision making
Speaker 1: wasn't the best consistency and throwing mechanics. I thought he
Speaker 1: was the worst in the pocket out of all the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are in that top conversation, you know, and
Speaker 1: then you know his ability to to run is really
Speaker 1: probably leased out of all the quarterbacks there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a little more down on him, I guess than
Speaker 1: the rest of the public. I don't get the DTR thing.
Speaker 1: I don't get it, Dan. I turned it on and
Speaker 1: I went, wait, does this guy did he like get
Speaker 1: did he get arrested with did his he's selling drugs
Speaker 1: on the corner at one point, I don't understand. He
Speaker 1: played Alabama, right, and you put Bryce Young at UCLA.
Speaker 1: Then we be talking about Dorian Thompson right now. You
Speaker 1: see you're starting to think, like me here, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's the that's exactly. So I'm sitting there going, wait,
Speaker 1: he's four inches taller than Bryce Young, He's faster than
Speaker 1: Bryce Young, he has a stronger arm than Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: But we're talking about him as a sixth round pick.
Speaker 1: That It just it makes no sense. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: He played in a good system, You get to see decisions.
Speaker 1: He plays the quarterback position the right way. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a little frail, he plays smaller than his six two frame.
Speaker 1: He can have a little bit of a wind up
Speaker 1: in emotion, but damn, those are minor things and somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna get a steal with DTR. I'm really interested to
Speaker 1: see where he ends up falling in this drap when
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, Dan, why didn't you think
Speaker 1: of Jordan Love? Yeah? I liked Jordan Love's potential, right.
Speaker 1: I at first was kind of like, oh, I think
Speaker 1: I might like Jordan Love a little bit better than TWOA.
Speaker 1: But as I started to dive into it a little bit,
Speaker 1: I just started to go, man, you know a little
Speaker 1: too raw has to fix some things decision making wise,
Speaker 1: and even his throwing was a little all over the place.
Speaker 1: But you had Jordan Love ranked above Tuah and I did.
Speaker 1: You had Burrow Herbert Jordan Love to Jacobies. I did,
Speaker 1: and I switched. I think you know, I rarely switch,
Speaker 1: you know that, But like about two weeks before the draft,
Speaker 1: I switched to Ah and Jordan Love, and I just
Speaker 1: when you know what, I'm a little too in love
Speaker 1: with the Jordan Love potential and the reality of the
Speaker 1: situation is there's some things he needs to fix. So
Speaker 1: that's where I kind of readjusted that. But hey, we
Speaker 1: saw a little last year. He's an athlete, he's got
Speaker 1: some size and his arm, you know, he's fixed a
Speaker 1: few of those mechanics and he's he's got a chance
Speaker 1: here to be something, so I'm excited for his opportunity
Speaker 1: this year. Explain to me why there's no market for
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and why it felt like every team sent
Speaker 1: out an email blast at the same time to say,
Speaker 1: we're not interested in Lamar Jackson and I'm not supposed
Speaker 1: to read into collusion that they don't want to. If
Speaker 1: you give him the same contract as to Shaun Watson,
Speaker 1: you've opened the door for the Bengals and the Chargers
Speaker 1: and the Eagles that they may have to eat that
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, it's it's a deep subject, you know. One.
Speaker 1: You know, the teams were releasing those type of statements.
Speaker 1: First off, they were asked by people's members in the
Speaker 1: media because there's old way he's franchised. Let me call
Speaker 1: team that doesn't have quarterback, Hey, do you want Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: So they were compelled to kind of but it came
Speaker 1: out all one. No, it looks weird, I get it,
Speaker 1: but that's what everybody did. If you got to look
Speaker 1: at it. Some certain beat writers connected to the team,
Speaker 1: as soon as they saw the non exclusive franchise tag,
Speaker 1: they called their team and got a quote from it.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think this is this is different
Speaker 1: than Kaepernick or some of the other ones Lamar's loved
Speaker 1: in the NFL. This isn't I don't think this is
Speaker 1: like one where the owners called each other up. Andy're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we don't want Lamar. They know though, Chris, They've already
Speaker 1: had this discussion with Deshaun Watson exactly. They didn't even
Speaker 1: have to have the discussion. That's what I'm saying. Let's
Speaker 1: say you're the Cult, right, I would think about it, seriously, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would. You know, the Cults are one team that
Speaker 1: I look at and if you know, hey, you're looking
Speaker 1: to get a pocket passing quarterback, I don't know, you
Speaker 1: might not be comfortable with one that's left with you
Speaker 1: at number four, Right, Lamar Jackson can do it all.
Speaker 1: I'm sick of everybody kind of saying, oh, it needs
Speaker 1: to be in a certain offense. But we know we
Speaker 1: can run. We got that. He can sit in the
Speaker 1: pocket and throw the ball with the best of them.
Speaker 1: So yes, I would think that, But I think it's
Speaker 1: all the other stuff too that doesn't help him out.
Speaker 1: Being injured the last two years. At the end of
Speaker 1: the year, you know, tons of misspractices over the years
Speaker 1: because if illnesses or whatever else, the style of play,
Speaker 1: which is physical, and then I think also the headache
Speaker 1: and the perception that's out there that Lamar can't get
Speaker 1: a deal done. And if he's happy and we get
Speaker 1: him when we sign him, and then he's not happy
Speaker 1: with the deal two or three years down the road,
Speaker 1: Oh crap, we're right back into the same boat him.
Speaker 1: We can't get him done, we can't get the details
Speaker 1: hashed out. He's not happy. So I think there's things
Speaker 1: like that that are more hurting Lamar rather than the
Speaker 1: player or the person. And that's where it stinks. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have an agent to kind of get his message
Speaker 1: out there. He needs Odell Beckham Junior as his agent
Speaker 1: because nobody gets more talk, whispers, rumors, speculation than O
Speaker 1: b J. Let me ask you who has a bigger
Speaker 1: impact Baker Mayfield to the Bucks or Garoppolo to the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Oh they're both good there, you know, I'll say Garoppolo
Speaker 1: to the Raiders. You know the Raiders. I guess you
Speaker 1: know what I look at there is he knows that system. Well.
Speaker 1: Do I put Derek Carr in there as well? If
Speaker 1: I put Are to the Saints Garoppolo of the Raiders,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's not fair to Baker going to the
Speaker 1: Bucks because there they may not be as good. That's
Speaker 1: that's the that's where I was leaning. It's just the bait.
Speaker 1: You know. The Bucks are I think in a little
Speaker 1: bit of a rebuild phase here, and that's why I
Speaker 1: was going to favor the Garoppolo situation. The familiarity with McDaniels.
Speaker 1: You do have, you know, a pretty good trio and
Speaker 1: receivers as far as Davante Adams, Renfro, Jacobe Myers. You
Speaker 1: got one of the best running backs in football. So
Speaker 1: that's the posible. But Derek Carr, that's one like for real, Dan,
Speaker 1: you're right about that team that dull top five this tennis.
Speaker 1: That old line is still good. And now you couple
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas coming back with Christo Labby and Rashid Shaheed
Speaker 1: and Kamaras still got a little tread on the tiers
Speaker 1: like they could be a player when this is all
Speaker 1: said and done. I like that move by Derek Carr
Speaker 1: in the Saints. All right, I'll leave you with this
Speaker 1: right now. Cam Newton could be a starting core back,
Speaker 1: a respectable backup quarterback, A good TV analyst. M I'd
Speaker 1: probably go a good TV analyst. Okay, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's not a starting quarterback, and I don't think Cam
Speaker 1: Newton has made to be a backup. Not to say
Speaker 1: he can't, but I've always felt, and I've always said this,
Speaker 1: that he's a guy that needs reps and throw in
Speaker 1: and rhythm. He's not your ideal. Let's just pluck him
Speaker 1: off the bench in week ten and he'll get hit
Speaker 1: the ground running. That's not what he is. Plus as
Speaker 1: a backup, as you know, he's a polarizing figure. He's
Speaker 1: a natural leader. Guys gravitate towards him in the locker room.
Speaker 1: He's built like a Greek god. It can be a
Speaker 1: little bit threatening to a starter when Cam Newton's walking
Speaker 1: around as a backup TV million dollars, smile, great personality, charisma.
Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't steal my job. Good to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Thanks as always, man, alright, oh always. Chris
Speaker 1: got his quarterbacks here that he ranks, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: shy away from criticism. I mean that's what I love.
Speaker 1: He makes his analysis, he has his grades and he
Speaker 1: sticks by it. But no, it's it's tough to do.
Speaker 1: But but this is what is always interesting for me.
Speaker 1: With some people, there's clarity. They go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I see this, where other people might go I don't
Speaker 1: see it. And you have this with draft picks, certainly
Speaker 1: at the quarterbacking position, where they'll go, oh my gun,
Speaker 1: it's playing his day now. I didn't like Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: and I didn't like Trey Lance because they didn't there
Speaker 1: wasn't large enough sample size. I want. I want you
Speaker 1: playing at least two years. I want you having highs
Speaker 1: and lows. I want you. I want to see what
Speaker 1: happens when you struggle and if you're not playing a
Speaker 1: great schedule, if you're at North Dakota State or you're
Speaker 1: at BYU. You know, Trevor Lawrence was playing at Clemson
Speaker 1: and there were highs and lows there, and I like
Speaker 1: seeing that. Like Will Levis, I keep everybody keeps telling
Speaker 1: me that he's great. I don't see that he's great now.
Speaker 1: I was told the same thing with Josh Allen and
Speaker 1: his junior year, I go, okay, all right, and then
Speaker 1: his senior year he wasn't. He wasn't great, but he
Speaker 1: lost his receiver. You know, I understood all of that,
Speaker 1: and then that he was raw because he wasn't a
Speaker 1: great don't he wasn't highly recruited out of high school.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many offers he had. But you
Speaker 1: end up at Wyoming, Well, there's a reason why, because
Speaker 1: you were raw. And then he got to Buffalo and
Speaker 1: I go and there are times I don't think he
Speaker 1: can play, and then he developed. But you gotta want it.
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing that's really hard to gauge.
Speaker 1: And that's why I've said before to a friend of
Speaker 1: mine who's a Scout, I said, do you talk to
Speaker 1: the equipment guys? And he said, after the Ryan Leaf situation,
Speaker 1: we made it a point to always talk to trainers,
Speaker 1: clubhouse guys because they didn't normally do that. But he
Speaker 1: said that you've found out more from the people who
Speaker 1: are around them every single day. How do you treat
Speaker 1: the guy who's not a star, he's a guy who
Speaker 1: just works there in the locker room. And he said,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams, a lot of scouts
Speaker 1: who realize talk to the everyday people because they'll give
Speaker 1: you an indication of what that person's really like. Are
Speaker 1: they there early Do they get along with people? Are
Speaker 1: they accommodating? Are they team players? All of these things?
Speaker 1: Are they divas? All right, we'll take a break. Tom
Speaker 1: Izzo from Michigan State coming up top of the hour.
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Speaker 1: more nbusa dot com poll results so far seetn O'Connor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody thinks Cam Newton can be a starting quarterback. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I was going to change it up to better team
Speaker 1: over the next five years. Georgetown or Saint John's Woo
Speaker 1: so ed cool. He left Providence to go to Georgetown.
Speaker 1: How much of a bump did he get in pay?
Speaker 1: Pretty good? Oh, he went double, Uh, not quite double,
Speaker 1: but almost. He went from like three point seven five
Speaker 1: to six. I think that's a pretty good bump. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Rick Pottino similar he went. He went from like according
Speaker 1: to what I'm reading, Yeah, the reports are that he
Speaker 1: went from like something close to a million dollars a
Speaker 1: year up to six years for twenty Okay, who do
Speaker 1: I think. Uh, let's see, I'm gonna I'm gonna bank
Speaker 1: on Patino. You know, he's got to keep you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep the talent in town. And uh, I
Speaker 1: mean Georgetown. That's gonna be a tough, tough slog there
Speaker 1: for red cooling because he had done a really good
Speaker 1: job at Providence, and maybe he had gotten to the
Speaker 1: point where he goes I've gone as far as I
Speaker 1: can go. I can get a bigger pay day, and
Speaker 1: I can go to Georgetown. I would bank on Patino.
Speaker 1: It's rare when he doesn't turn something around. Yes, Pully,
Speaker 1: I got to go back to the couple quarterback questions
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, go back to Cam new Let's say
Speaker 1: Cam Newton gets no interest from the NFL after his
Speaker 1: pro day or his participation in Auburn's pro day. Would
Speaker 1: if you were his agent, when you can ask him
Speaker 1: to or talk to the Rock or the USFL XFL
Speaker 1: and say, hey, man, they're looking for publicity anyway they can.
Speaker 1: He could probably call the XFL USFL and get a
Speaker 1: try out easy. I don't want him to go there
Speaker 1: and not do well, because then you got no sham,
Speaker 1: no shot at the NFL, and he if you go
Speaker 1: there and you don't dominate, and I don't think he
Speaker 1: would dominate. I think Cam Newton's future would be as
Speaker 1: an analyst. I think he'd be a great studio analyst
Speaker 1: if he puts in the time and he really wants
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, more. If you think Cam's eagle
Speaker 1: would just be like I was the MVP of the NFL.
Speaker 1: If you think I would go back to the LA No,
Speaker 1: can't do it. Yeah yeah, Next question Zach Wilson, the
Speaker 1: quarterback two years with the Jets. Was everybody wrong about
Speaker 1: him or was he pushed into it too early? He
Speaker 1: still has a career left type guy, as Chris sim
Speaker 1: stands by what he thought of him. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Chris is wrong. Zach Wilson can't handle adversity. I mean
Speaker 1: he needs to be on a smaller stage, not New York.
Speaker 1: He needs to go and he's going to be a
Speaker 1: backup and maybe you get that chance. You know, we
Speaker 1: saw that with a couple of quarterbacks. Ryan Tannehill was
Speaker 1: able to do that. Like you, you know, you get
Speaker 1: that opportunity again and then maybe you can prove that
Speaker 1: you can play. But he needs to mature. He needs
Speaker 1: to understand what it's like to be the focal point.
Speaker 1: So when somebody says, hey, you take responsibility after a
Speaker 1: game and he's like nope, and then you're like, now
Speaker 1: that's not the answer, not the answer. You just lost
Speaker 1: the locker room. And he did. But he to me
Speaker 1: he always looked like a quarterback in a movie who
Speaker 1: was going to play a quarterback? And he certainly had
Speaker 1: that downtown. You know he was able to do that.
Speaker 1: Cadillac in Arkansas, Good morning man, Good morning Kendal sixty four,
Speaker 1: two thirty five. Yeah, a couple of things right quick.
Speaker 1: I'm done buying gear from you guys, because I bought
Speaker 1: mclovin's red shirts and people say, oh, Lennon fan or
Speaker 1: my Jesus doesn't look like that, so I need a
Speaker 1: new shirt. Okay. Secondly, muscleman is our naked man, so
Speaker 1: because anybody else's we would hate him, but we love him.
Speaker 1: And thirdly, I'm retired school teacher, coach, principal, and you
Speaker 1: guys are just a bunch of bullies. Princie is my princie.
Speaker 1: My boy, you're a bunch of bullies. I'd have to
Speaker 1: give you guys five days at the house to think
Speaker 1: about it. Five days suspension, Is that what you're saying, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: and I have to do the paperwork. Yes, we could
Speaker 1: get five days off from Fritzy. Yay, thank you. Cadillac.
Speaker 1: We need we need him to give us five days off.
Speaker 1: He's gonna send us home for detention. Yes, which means
Speaker 1: that's five days of the Todd Fritz Show. We would
Speaker 1: be getting detention, but Todd would still be here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, bullies.
Speaker 1: We're not bullies. Well, no, we're not. Paully's a bully.
Speaker 1: I might be an enabler. I do root for Todd,
Speaker 1: but then I root for it to go bad sometimes too.
Speaker 1: I don't you know what. I root for content that's
Speaker 1: content rules to day. Yes it does, and i'd look
Speaker 1: I could provide that content by embarrassing myself as I
Speaker 1: have many times. Marvin's not a bully, Satan's not a bully,
Speaker 1: Polly bully me and a nabler. I would say, got
Speaker 1: a busy final hour coming up. Tom is Zough still
Speaker 1: keeps doing it, ma'am, and John Smoltz will stop by.
Speaker 1: More of your phone calls as well. Dan and The
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