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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: Edo State?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoo? And them and Tye welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the solid verbal, boys and girls. My name is

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Speaker 1: ty Hilon Brandt, that fine gentleman back in his home

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Speaker 1: studio in blustery Chicago, Illinois, the one of the only

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Speaker 1: still the incomparable Dan Rubincy. Sorry, welcome home. How goes it?

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Speaker 2: It's good, ty thank you for welcoming me home. I

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Speaker 2: had a good time in California, back in the Midwest.

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Speaker 2: And look, last night, I'm thinking to myself, what are

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Speaker 2: Because we can go in any number of directions. Right,

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Speaker 2: we have portal stuff concluding, but not fully because of Arizona, Washington,

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Speaker 2: Alabama's now San Jose State and your guy ken Nea

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Speaker 2: Modalolo not running the option over there for the Spartans.

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Speaker 1: You saw that. Gonna open it up, baby, open it up,

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Speaker 2: So we've got new coaches, We've got like the final

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Speaker 2: You know, at the time of recording, Jim Harbought sort

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Speaker 1: We go with this week's show? And I was like,

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Speaker 1: You know, you ever been one of those A conveyor

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Speaker 2: I don't love robots. I don't love AI, I don't

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Speaker 2: We got to talk pieces moving around, shuffling around the

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Speaker 1: How about that. I appreciate that preamble, and I hope

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Speaker 2: I don't think any position is as important as quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a very frozen take. What have been

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Speaker 1: I think the Dylan Gabriel one to me is that's

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Speaker 1: And for me, that guy is Dylan Gabriel. At at Oregon.

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Speaker 1: Will Howard's definitely more fascinating. Another one, if we're talking

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Speaker 1: had guys who could run. Ian Book could run if

433
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Speaker 1: you had to his reads, if his one read broke down,

434
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Speaker 1: he'd run. Drew Pine could run. He could get hurt,

435
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: but he could also run to a you know, a

436
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: formidable degree to at least keep things going, but they

437
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 1: haven't had a guy like Riley Leonard, that caliber athlete

438
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Speaker 1: at quarterback. And I think now with hiring rehiring Mike Denbrock,

439
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,959
Speaker 1: pulling him away from LSU, it's clear that they're going

440
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: to go more in that direction. And this is you know,

441
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Speaker 1: the last stint with Notre Dame maybe didn't work out,

442
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 1: but this time around, given his work with jayde Daniels,

443
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: I think he's grown as a play caller and I

444
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Speaker 1: would expect that the system that they put in place

445
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: is going to be one that recognized as a quarterback

446
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: with a lot of athleticism and Riley Leonard.

447
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the question with Ryley Leonard is is

448
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: Mike Denbrock able to adjust his offense to not having

449
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors Brian Thomas type, big time, big bodied receivers

450
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,479
Speaker 2: destroying dudes all over the place. I don't know what

451
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: Notre Dame's receiving corps looks like. I know they lost

452
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Speaker 2: a few young guys, right, they lost.

453
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Speaker 1: A ton of the portal. They brought guys in via

454
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Speaker 1: the portal as well.

455
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Speaker 2: Collins was one of them.

456
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Speaker 1: I know that it brought him up from Clemson. Yeah,

457
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Speaker 1: I mean they they have gone out and they have

458
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: brought guys in with real receiving experience to try and

459
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Speaker 1: plug that gap. It's it's a big gap on this off.

460
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: They know it. They knew it, and they I think

461
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Speaker 1: went out and tried to address it as best they could.

462
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm still pretty high on Jade great House.

463
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Speaker 1: Maybe he has a new lease on things. I mean,

464
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Speaker 1: got some work. He wasn't an apparition like some of

465
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Speaker 1: his teammates were in the receiving corps. Jade Greathhouse, I

466
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Speaker 1: think he showed a lot of a lot of promise

467
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Speaker 1: that so, adding to some of the other names that

468
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: are already there, I think I think they'll be okay.

469
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Speaker 1: But it's a fair point, like what does it look

470
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Speaker 1: like if you don't have pro caliber receivers out wide?

471
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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like the Riley Leonard thing. I like that he's

473
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Speaker 2: a gamer. I like that he's athletic. I like that

474
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Speaker 2: he has big conference experience. Say which will about the ACC,

475
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: but he has big conference experience, and I think emotionally

476
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Speaker 2: he will be I think, you know, Sam Hartman was

477
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: a great poll last year, but I think emotionally Riley

478
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: Leonard will be great for Notre Dame. I don't know

479
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Speaker 2: what that ends up looking like in the win loss column,

480
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Speaker 2: but I think he is going to become some kind

481
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Speaker 2: of folk hero for better or worse, or maybe it's

482
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: game to game something like that. I just I don't

483
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 2: think it's a huge risk. I think you kind of

484
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: understand what you're getting in Riley Leonard, and I think

485
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: it's going to be more on offensive line receiver. They'll

486
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 2: be fine at running back they always seem to be.

487
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: And Mike Denbrock saying, Okay, this is my understanding of

488
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Speaker 2: what we have. This is what our offense can be.

489
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to try to make it LSU's offense

490
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 2: or make it Cincinnati's offense or whatever. This is how

491
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: I envision things based on what we have, not based

492
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Speaker 2: on what we don't.

493
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Speaker 1: And I think they're going to be in a good place.

494
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Speaker 1: I really do. The other thing that works to his

495
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: advantage is the schedules. Beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. Next season.

496
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Speaker 1: There are four games on here, and again this is

497
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Speaker 1: not a preview episode. There are four games on this

498
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Speaker 1: thing that jump out to you. They open up Week

499
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Speaker 1: one on the road at A and M, which is

500
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: a huge spot opening weekend. However, who knows what state

501
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Speaker 1: A and M is going to be in. That's a

502
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Speaker 1: brand new circumstance given all the turmoil they've had down there,

503
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Speaker 1: a new coach, a lot of transfers. We can talk

504
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Speaker 1: about that a little bit later on. They've got Louisville

505
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Speaker 1: at home. Okay, Louisville should be decent again, but Louivill's

506
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: got some turnover. Florida State's got a ton of turnover.

507
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Speaker 1: That game isn't until November and USC. They're on the

508
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Speaker 1: road to close out the season at USC, but again

509
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: a fair amount of turnover. Certainly new quarterback situation at

510
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Speaker 1: You see, who knows what state that team's going to

511
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Speaker 1: be in the rest of these games. I'm not looking

512
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: at a whole lot of the other games on the

513
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Speaker 1: schedule and say to myself, this is a team that's

514
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: going to knock them out of the playoff? Aren't There

515
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: aren't more than there shouldn't be more than three losses

516
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Speaker 1: on this thing. Worst case scenario, So as long as

517
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Speaker 1: Riley Leonard doesn't get hurt, as long as they're able

518
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Speaker 1: to find a way to kind of tame any inaccuracy

519
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: that might exist, in his passing game. Notre Dame's in

520
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: a really good spot and we'll see what den Brock

521
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: can do with them. I agree. The receiving corps was

522
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Speaker 1: a question coming into this season, still a question in

523
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. However, the opportunity is there right given

524
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Speaker 1: the offense that I know den Brock wants to run

525
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Speaker 1: and what it feels like. Notre Dame has wanted to

526
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Speaker 1: run but just hasn't really done a great job of

527
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Speaker 1: it the last few seasons. Who to you that I

528
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: have not mentioned, Yeah, speaks to the word opportunity.

529
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Speaker 2: Oh cam Ward to me, I mean, I'll go back

530
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Speaker 2: to cam Ward just because you look at some of

531
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Speaker 2: the recent quarterbacks that Rio Christobal. But be it at Oregon,

532
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: be it at Miami.

533
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of.

534
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: Big body, big throwers, whether it's TVD, whether it's Justin

535
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: Herbert even like the Tyler shuck Anthony Brown end of

536
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: his Oregon time, like they weren't improvisers in the same

537
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: way that I think cam Ward is buying time making

538
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: plays with his feet, you know, taking shots downfield. Like

539
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: I think on any given play there are three to

540
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: five incredible things that could happen in three to five

541
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Speaker 2: disastrous things that could happen happen within the cam Ward experience.

542
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Speaker 2: The floor has been pretty low at quarterback recently for Miami.

543
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Speaker 2: Be it because of injury, be it because of youth

544
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Speaker 2: and inexperience. Cam Ward brings experience, maturity. I don't think

545
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Speaker 2: he's going to be phased. He's played in big games

546
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Speaker 2: in big stadiums. We saw him in the Apple Cup

547
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Speaker 2: last year. We saw him in Adson Stadium last year

548
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Speaker 2: have probably the best game of his year against the

549
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Speaker 2: best defense he faced. So if Miami is still wild

550
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: on offense, if they're still not at all dependable, I

551
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be fully on cam Ward

552
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: because I think his experience, his maturity, Like if the

553
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: system is good. I know they lose Colby Young, one

554
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: of their big playmakers at receiver, transfers to I believe Georgia,

555
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: so that hurts. But they've recruited well enough. The offensive

556
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: line has gotten to a mostly very strong place, which

557
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: is not anything he's I think been used to at

558
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: Washington State. They've had like individual guys, but as a unit,

559
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: I think Miami's going to do it. They should do

560
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: a good job protecting him, and so I think their

561
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: ceiling becomes interesting. I think he became a little bit

562
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: overrated when we were talking about portal quarterbacks and the

563
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: money being rumored to be being thrown around for cam

564
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: Ward and he's measuring the NFL against you know, Florida

565
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: State or Miami or maybe Ohio State Interest or org

566
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Speaker 2: in any of these schools.

567
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Speaker 1: Like that cam Ward is good, But I don't know.

568
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: There was a little bit of break pumping for me

569
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: with cam Ward, and I think he decided to come

570
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: back because maybe his NFL grade didn't come back as

571
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: impressive as he would have hoped. But what I think

572
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: he adds to Miami makes I mean, he's generally must watch,

573
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: but I think they become super intriguing with a quarterback talent,

574
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: like the best of cam Ward can be the best

575
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Speaker 2: of him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you've watched a lot of Marrio Crysto

577
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: Ball football. Sure is there a concern that he will

578
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: take the best aspects of cam Ward and bury them

579
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Speaker 1: and make them worse or make them less part of

580
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: his game, because I feel like that's a conversation we've

581
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: had before with Crystal Ball and I'm not saying this

582
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: to dunk on him. You know, I think he's I

583
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: think he's buying larged in a pretty good job on

584
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: the recruiting trail. He now as obviously has to take

585
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: that and turn it into wins and losses. They don't

586
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: want to go seven and five next season. But does

587
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: that concern you?

588
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: Sure it should concern anybody that cares for Miami football.

589
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: I'm not a Miami fan, but yeah, that you saw that,

590
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: You've seen his past. Now, I don't think that Miami

591
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: and Mario Cristibal necessarily.

592
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: Like ruined TVD.

593
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: I think he's always had some of the tendencies that

594
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: have had a bigger spotlight since he played for Manny Diaz.

595
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: Just that he's sort of going to go downfield and

596
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. He's going to try to improvise.

597
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: But as he got hurt, his ability to make those

598
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: throws suffered. But he's still sort of believed in himself

599
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: physically and tried to make those throws. And you know,

600
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: we saw like game sealing interceptions, we saw those kinds

601
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: of things. I still think that's I don't think that's

602
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 2: on Mario Christabal per se. You know, it's development, it's communication,

603
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: it's knowing when to throw it away, that kind of thing.

604
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's consistently not been the most quarterback friendly

605
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: Mario Cristaball team has not been the most quarterback friendly

606
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: team to play for. But I think cam Ward offers

607
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: something that I mean, you can go back to like

608
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: the year that Derek King spent at Miami, something that

609
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: becomes more intriguing, that you can move the ball with

610
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Speaker 2: a quarterback in more ways than Miami's been able to

611
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: do recently. So I think, again, at his best, because

612
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: he will throw a clunker three into the season, at

613
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: his best, cam Ward offers something exciting for Miami and

614
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Speaker 2: so that to me will have me watching more Miami

615
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: than usual.

616
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, at the end of the regular season,

617
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: we use I'll just use the sp plus here just

618
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: as a general measurement. Miami was one hundredth in offensive

619
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Speaker 1: sp plus at the end of Chrystal Ball's first season. Yep,

620
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: dealing with injuries, made a bunch of changes in the

621
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Speaker 1: off season. Was dealing with injuries. The line, as he said,

622
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: was very very good this season, up sixty eight spots

623
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Speaker 1: in the sp plus thirty second overall offense. There are

624
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Speaker 1: things that they can sort out there. You know, I

625
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: mentioned some of them earlier, but it'll be interesting to

626
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: see what kind of pop cam Ward brings to bear.

627
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: Any other names here that you think are are interesting

628
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: from an opportunity standpoint, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned to Kwanfinn. I want to talk about him next.

630
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Speaker 1: I actually want to talk about TVD next because I

631
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: kind of have a different take on both those guys.

632
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: But again we're talking in terms of opportunity guys that

633
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: you look at and you say, understand why they went

634
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: there to some extent. But if this works out, this

635
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: has a real chance to take this offense too, to

636
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: a whole other level. I think of the Kwan Finn,

637
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: I think of TVD almost in the same camp. And

638
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: that's probably not fair to quand Finn, because it has

639
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: been nothing but awesome in his time in Toledo, legitimately

640
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: fun to watch going to Baylor. I have next to

641
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: no idea what to expect from him at Baylor running

642
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: a Jake's Baviatol system. And I like to Quand Finn,

643
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: but I am pretty much out of optimism when it

644
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: comes to David Randa's ability to bring in a quarterback

645
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: to Home Grow a quarterback and turn that guy into

646
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: a playmaker. Yeah. I feel like we've gotten flashes with

647
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Blake Shapin, sure, but in terms of like a consistent

648
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: thing that you can build around and project forward into

649
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: the coming season, to me, this is a boomer bust

650
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: type of setup. He's a wildcard to kwand Finn. And

651
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: it's not because it's not because to Kwanfinn isn't good.

652
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: It's because the system that he's heading into you could

653
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: like almost totally see a scenario in which, like, yeah,

654
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: it kind of doesn't work out. Now they're starting somebody

655
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: else in October.

656
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, wild card is an upgrade for Baylor, So I'm

657
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: fine with it. True from where they were with what

658
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: Sawyer Robertson and Blake Shapin this year, wildcard.

659
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: Means there's a chance.

660
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a chance, there's a spark. Jake Spavotol brought

661
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: that offensive spark to Cal last year, which desperately needed it.

662
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: And I'm not super high on the short, medium and

663
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: long term future of Bail football. But in terms of

664
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: entertainment factor, I think Baylor's offense becomes a lot more

665
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: entertaining with Dakwan Finn doesn't mean they're winning the Big Twelve,

666
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they're even going to a bowl game. They'll

667
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: probably become closer to going to a bowl game if

668
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: they don't. But they needed something, They absolutely needed something,

669
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: and I like that they went aggressive. I like that

670
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: they're taking a swing with a Matt quarterback, which doesn't

671
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: necessarily and I think Indiana's doing the same thing with

672
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: Curtis Rourke. But I like that they're taking a swing

673
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: because otherwise Dave Verene is just getting fired after the

674
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: year or that's during the year. So you gotta do something,

675
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: and they're trying, and so I can appreciate that because

676
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 2: Dakwan Finn can move, can make plays, and is experienced

677
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: and old enough that he's earned this kind of opportunity.

678
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like to Kwanfinn a lot as a player.

679
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm more skeptical of the situation, which brings

680
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: me to TVD Okay, So we've been beating around the

681
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: bush here a little bit with him and has been

682
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: Miami the entirety of his college career. He transferred to

683
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: Wisconsin now to play a quarterback for Luke Fickle. If

684
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about wild Cards, guys who are boom or bust.

685
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: I think TVD is the easy answer, okay, And I

686
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: say that because we've already seen both versions of him, right.

687
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: We saw the promise of TVD early on in his career,

688
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: and then we've seen the injury riddled and consistent interception

689
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: throwing version of TVD the last two seasons. And I

690
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: don't know what to expect this coming season at Wisconsin.

691
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: I think we've been conditioned now to expect the worst

692
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: and expect the interceptions. I forget what the final talent like.

693
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: I know he had twelve interceptions on the year, but

694
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: for a while there he went like four or five

695
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: games throwing a pick in every game. It wasn't the

696
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: good kind of streak that you want to talk about.

697
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: Definitely not. But I wonder if he is in a

698
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: different setup, change of scenery that makes him have a

699
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: bit of a renaissance.

700
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: First of all, who's he throwing to at Wisconsin? Like,

701
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 2: Wisconsin hasn't been crazy aggressive with receivers, which is the

702
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: one position where there are just numbers in the portal,

703
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: and Phil Longo can point to his recent development of

704
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: receivers big offenses quarterbacks throwing the ball downfield running the

705
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: ball to set up big play action to receivers using

706
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: RPO stuff. Will Poling was good last year, but like

707
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: in an offense that didn't throw the ball downfield that much.

708
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: I think it was a lot of underneath stuff to him.

709
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: And so if tvd's strength is his confidence in going downfield,

710
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: who's going down field for Wisconsin against a more difficult

711
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: schedule in the Big Ten. I don't have the schedule

712
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: in front of me. Maybe you can pull it up,

713
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: But like in terms of where Wisconsin is, if the

714
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: identity isn't with that same sort of power rushing, which

715
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: you know Braylen Allen was still very good life last

716
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: year when healthy, when they were focused on that element

717
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: of the offense, but it wasn't where it's been. Quarterback

718
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: was a nightmare at times last year for Wisconsin. And

719
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: just completing a pass on third and seven. So where

720
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: is this offense coming from? Where is the system? Where

721
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: are the receivers who are going to make Michigan dbs

722
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: or Oregon dbs who are winning these fifty to fifty battles,

723
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: or like, where is the fearlessness from from a personnel standpoint,

724
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: from this Wisconsin offense coming from that to me is

725
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: like I don't think he's set up for success in Madison.

726
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: Happy to be wrong, but it doesn't seem like a

727
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: great opportunity to me.

728
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some there are some decent defenses

729
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: on this schedule. Okay, next season, I mean, tell you

730
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: one about Alabama Week three, But Alabama is still going

731
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: to be a top ten at worst caliber football team.

732
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: You think so with Kaitlin de Borr, either think so.

733
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: Maybe by the time all was said and done. Maybe

734
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: not to start out, ah, Okay, lost a lot of talent,

735
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: but there's still a lot of talent on that roster.

736
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: Week three home against Bama after a buye they're at USC.

737
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: Got to get better at some point. USC's defense is

738
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: going to get better too.

739
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: Has to Purdue at Rutgers, at Northwestern home against Penn

740
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: State at Iowa, another bye week, then close out the

741
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: season final three games home against Oregon, at Nebraska home

742
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: against Minnesota. For Paul Bunyan's acts, that is not a

743
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: schedule I look at and I say that's that that's

744
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: a cakewalk. There are a lot of tough defenses in there.

745
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be five tough defenses to end the season.

746
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: And I think Luke Fickle has an increased amount of pressure,

747
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: even though he was able to pull out some weird,

748
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: losable games near the end of the year for Wisconsin,

749
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 2: there I think there's added pressure. I think there's rightfully

750
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: an expectation of Wisconsin, like you should be competing to

751
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: win ten games a year at Madison, right this This

752
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: shouldn't be. This is a program in which most, if

753
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: not everybody wins, and so there's a reason for that.

754
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: Wisconsin has developed a really strong winning football culture over

755
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: the years, and even if it if it faded and

756
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: recruiting faded under Paul Christ, this is a place that

757
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: that sort of creates winning football. And so I think

758
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: the expectations are going to continue to grow and there's

759
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: going to be increased frustration if they don't. With Luke Fickle,

760
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 2: because this is this is the time in which we live,

761
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: and Wisconsin certainly doesn't want to be left behind as

762
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: the Big ten becomes more crowded. And so I'm not

763
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: super high on TVD at this point in his career.

764
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: When you have to like go back three years to

765
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: point to the good, it's tough for me. But I

766
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: also root for a team that you kind of had

767
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: to go back a few years if ever, to see

768
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: where bon Nicks is going to be promising at Oregon.

769
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: But true, I don't think it's apples to apples, and

770
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 2: you add in like the recent injury history with TVD.

771
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: I don't know.

772
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: I hope for his sake, he is sort of reborn

773
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: in Madison and you know, the you know, Bucky Badger

774
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: roaming the sideline, and the cheese Kurds and the you know,

775
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: the raucous crowd in Camp Randall is something that is

776
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: going to be new to him because he really hasn't

777
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: played in front of a raucous home crowd. I had

778
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: to take the shot, tie, I had to. I had to.

779
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: I come this long with this much Miami talk. It's fair.

780
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: And he's mentioned that he more appreciated, he appreciates playing

781
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: on the road because the raucous crowd didn't exist in

782
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: Coral Gables. So maybe that is something that really gets

783
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: him juiced and he's just a gamer and it works

784
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 2: out for him. But curious to see how it works

785
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: out with how Wisconsin's currently constructed.

786
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: That's all. Do you have another boom or bust candidate? Yeah?

787
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: I mean, like Aiden Childs is super fascinating to me.

788
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: I think his ceiling is pretty great, but I think

789
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: it's just going to take time at Michigan State. I

790
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: think because of the line, because of where the receiver

791
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: position is. But quarterbacks tend to succeed under Jonathan Smith.

792
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: You go back to his time at Washington, you go

793
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: to his time where no name guys succeeded at Oregon State,

794
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: let alone like DJU taking a nice, solid, stable step

795
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: forward this year. I just think Jonathan smith offenses are

796
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: where quarterbacks thrive. That he makes it understandable that the

797
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: way the offenses shift and move around it creates easier

798
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: throws than most systems open up. And so Aiden Chiles

799
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: I think is eventually going to boom. I think it'll

800
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 2: probably be in twenty twenty five, as Michigan State seems

801
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: to be a place that will continue to be aggressive

802
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: in the portal, and he should be able to recruit

803
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: reasonably well and got some guys in from Oregon State.

804
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: I just think year ones, it's a big ask right now.

805
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: So maybe there's like a random Week seven boom for

806
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: Aiden Chiles, and I think his ceiling and potential is

807
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: going to be obvious, but I'm going to sort of

808
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: delay the boom for me.

809
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think Jonathan Smith has proven nothing

810
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 1: if not the fact that he can have a stabilizing

811
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: effect on approach. Yeah, and if you're a Michigan State fan,

812
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: you'll sign up for that in a heartbeat, because, i mean,

813
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: former coach left under obviously controversial circumstances. It's been a

814
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: minute since it felt like that program was on stable footing,

815
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: and so you'll you'll take that, even if it takes

816
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: a little bit to get there.

817
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 2: Has it been a decade since they've had an offense

818
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: that's been interesting and fun, Dude, since like twenty fourteen,

819
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: It's been a long time since it playoff run.

820
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean, unless you want to go back a couple

821
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: of years to when they knocked off Michigan, right, if

822
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: you want to talk Peyton Thorn.

823
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: But those offenses weren't consistently anything. They were at least entertaining.

824
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: But to say that they were consistently anything, I mean

825
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: they hit it with Kenneth Walker.

826
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kenny Walker was sort of the end all be

827
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: all and that was what powered that offense. But to

828
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: say that it was consistent across the board that season

829
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: would be would be a mischaracterization.

830
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: At best, one hundred and thirty first this year in

831
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: points per drive, seventy second in twenty twenty two with

832
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker forty one, and more and more. He just

833
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: seems even that that twenty twenty Michigan win year they

834
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: finished one hundred and twentieth offensive points per drive twenty

835
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 2: fourteen was a high, and it's been downhill since twenty

836
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: fourteen top forty and twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. I'm just

837
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: reading numbers at this point. It's super entertaining type people

838
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: love this stuff eighty two and it's just sort of

839
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: been downhill from there at the end of the D'Antonio

840
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: time into Mel Tucker and now Jonathan Smith.

841
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

842
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: I think it's a Jimmy's and Joe's issue in this moment,

843
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: and I think it'll get resolved in the next like

844
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: eighteen months.

845
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: So why don't we do this because honestly, this conversation

846
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: ran a lot longer, yeah, than I think we both expected.

847
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: We intended to get into coaches and their approach to

848
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: the portal. We also wanted to talk about some bigger

849
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: picture portal stuff that I know drives a conversation. Why

850
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: don't we talk a little bit more about quarterback rooms

851
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: and quarterback battles that are of interest to us, and

852
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: maybe on the next episode we could bump and talk

853
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: more about the coaching and some of the bigger picture

854
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: portal things. So I don't really want to cut this

855
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: part short, and I also don't want to have an

856
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: hour and thirty minute conversation for people to digest. Here

857
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: we've got this where we talk to Steve Angeli. Is

858
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: this the part of the show. I'm not talking Steve

859
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: Angeli as part of that.

860
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: You don't find that fascinating, No, mister Sunball himself.

861
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: No, no, you think he's beating Riley Leonard. Absolutely, he

862
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: looked really good in the sun Ball. It's January twenty second.

863
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: You hear it, heard it here first? Ty. No, I'm

864
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: not into Angelly. I'm not ready Jelly's job to lose. No, no, no, no,

865
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: I'm not going quarterback rooms. Okay. Yeah, So all of

866
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: this quarterback movement makes the quarterback room discussion very interesting

867
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: in some in some cases maybe not as much at

868
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Regardless of your opinion of.

869
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: Lloyd Carr's grandson.

870
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna mix it up this year, don't think so. Okay,

871
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: don't think so. But as you look around college football,

872
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: new coaches, new transfers, which are the situations that you

873
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: look at a quarterback room and you're like, huh, it's interesting.

874
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: That's something I didn't expect that I'd be saying at

875
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: this point in January.

876
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: How about arch Manning sitting for two years as the

877
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: number one overall recruit. That was like, there's been rumors

878
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: about him moving around the sport, maybe Alabama interest, but

879
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: certainly different with Nick Saban retiring, that's an interesting room,

880
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: even though I don't think there's competition for the starting job.

881
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 2: But we saw Malik Murphy sort of see the writing

882
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: on the wall once Quen you Weres announced he was

883
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: coming back and he made his move before the playoff.

884
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 2: That room is fascinating. USC's room is fascinating USC one.

885
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, I mean, is

886
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: USC gonna roll with Jade and Mayava? Are they gonna

887
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 2: roll with Miller Moss?

888
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: I think so.

889
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: I mean they could potentially wait for something to happen

890
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: after the spring window or the after spring practice and

891
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: somebody loses a job and USC pounces, But then you're

892
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: getting somebody that didn't have like spring installation in the system.

893
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, if you're arch manning, you probably

894
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: just if you're not leaving now, leaving after spring and

895
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: not having spring practice and just sort of being rushed

896
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: into a starting job, I don't think that's a terribly

897
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: wise decision. I suppose we'll see Michigan post. JJ McCarthy

898
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: is really interesting to me. Ohio state of Will Howard

899
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: doesn't work out is super interesting to me because he's

900
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: not a sure thing. As you pointed out that he's

901
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: a big body, but you know, took a step back

902
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: this year in terms of rooms specifically, like here's quarterback battles.

903
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: Tell me Alabama, sure, Austin Mack. Jalen Milroe Alabama is

904
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 2: really interesting to me because Jalen Milroe, I think, started

905
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 2: off on rocky footing but finished in a really intriguing way,

906
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: and at least in the universe we were previously in

907
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: building forward into twin four, It's like, Okay, they cracked

908
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: the code on Jalen Milroe.

909
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: They know how to use them. They used his legs

910
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: to their advantage. They used that combination of the power

911
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: rushing with the vertical passing. It's a great effect. They

912
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: beat Georgia, you know, in part because of it. Obviously

913
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: didn't win the national championship. But I think all things considered,

914
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: a pretty good season for Jalen Milroe. It ended up

915
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: that way. He came a long way. He does require

916
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: a specific system, though, and I think that specific system

917
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: to really be effective. That system is not the kaland

918
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: de Bar system, right. The Klend de Bor system is

919
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: like a pro stylely version of the air raid and

920
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: that's kind of what it is. And I just don't

921
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: think that's his game. And so whether it's a guy

922
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: that they bring in, whether it's an Austin Mack who

923
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: transferred down from Washington May Maybe is it Will Rogers.

924
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: Will Rogers who is, as you said earlier back in

925
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: the portal, now looking for where he might go next.

926
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: I know he was visiting in Tusco. So maybe he's

927
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: somebody who could end up committing to Alabama. That quarterback

928
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: room is really interesting. It would really be a story

929
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: in these parts. If Jalen Molroe is not the starting

930
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: quarterback at Alabama this coming season, maybe if he's looking

931
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: for a different team because of a new system, because

932
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: of other guys coming in. That's the one I think

933
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: to me that I'm most interested in. The USC thing

934
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: is puzzling, and I'm surprised they haven't gotten somebody, No

935
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: disrespect to Jade Mayava Miller Moss, I'm surprised they haven't

936
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: gotten a bigger name to run that system. Because Lincoln

937
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: Riley's got that track record. That's more of the puzzling

938
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: to me. This is more of the fascinating at Alabama

939
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: because I just I don't think there's a good fit

940
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: with that offense for Jalen Molroe. Just doesn't seem like

941
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: it's what Calen Deboorr wants to do or what he's

942
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: comfortable doing.

943
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 2: I'm curiously if Alex Orgy can throw for Michigan, I mean,

944
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: it'll be what Alex Orgy against. Jaden Davis, the true

945
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: freshman came in with. I think he's from the Charlotte area,

946
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: came in with a lot of acclaim and who's coaching

947
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: that team, what that system looks like. If Jim Harbaugh

948
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: is moving on, if and when, like that's fascinating to me.

949
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: Defending Champs uh the quarterback room at Nebraska is a

950
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: day one. Dylan Ryola got to be it's gotta be man,

951
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 2: gotta be Okay, I assume so too. But like that's

952
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: a lot. That's a lot with the expectations there, with

953
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: the expectations nationally being you know, that top type, that

954
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: top flight type quarterback at a five star played a

955
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: bunch of different high schools, just like we'll see if

956
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 2: Nebraska offers the stability that he's hoping for, that'll be

957
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: wild to watch. I there is.

958
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: So much wide open in this sport this year. I

959
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: mean that, And that's the thing I think that maybe

960
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: we could use to talk about, you know, topics on

961
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: our next episode. But because of the coaching movement mm hmm,

962
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: because of all the transfers, player movement, because of the

963
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: system expanding, because of Sabin retiring, Let's be real, that

964
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: plays a factor as well. Because of all of these

965
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: changing dynamics, it truly feels more wide open in twenty

966
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: four than then I can remember in like a decade.

967
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it really feels like it is just out

968
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: there and that is going to drive some teams crazy.

969
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: That is going to drive some fan bases crazy. But

970
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: I think it's going to make for whatever you think

971
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: of the playoff, whatever you think of the new world

972
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: order with conference realignment and all that, all of these

973
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: factors together are going to combine for I think I

974
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: hope a season that feels really wide open and that'll

975
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: be entertaining if nothing more.

976
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 2: Has the conversation around Nick Saban, you did not even

977
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: come close to alluding to this, But the way you

978
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: talked about like there being a power vacuum leading to chaos,

979
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: I picked up on some very low frequencies. Saddam Hussein Vibes.

980
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: I picked up on some like the way he was

981
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: able to keep that that was not your intention, No,

982
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: And I don't want to go to a place where

983
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: we're discussing SEC football like there are Middle East factions involved, right,

984
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: But that I think was that was the low frequency

985
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: that I picked up with your illusion, not necessarily your intention.

986
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: No, No, but that's what I picked up on.

987
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: No, you're absolutely right, you're like the potential for continued chaos.

988
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: And look, I think, and we can talk about this

989
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: on part two of this episode, that like the currency

990
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 2: isn't going to be who has the best ten million

991
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: dollar coach. The currency isn't going to be who is

992
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: stringing together top five recruiting classes. The currency is going

993
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: to be stability, right, Stability that attracts others to leave

994
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: chaos and enter into stability and stability. When players see

995
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: what they have currently and then look at the rest

996
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: of the sport and say to themselves, grass definitely doesn't

997
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: seem greener over there. It's kind of different over here.

998
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: Whatever that place is, if that's Georgia, if that's Stanford,

999
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: whatever the place that Like that seems more than ever

1000
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: that like, I've got a job, I'm developing, my coach

1001
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: is being upfront with me. I'm getting playing time that

1002
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: I was promised or that I feel like I've earned

1003
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: by completing the various you know, benchmarks that the coach

1004
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,479
Speaker 2: is laid out for me. Like that feels like it's

1005
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: the new If teams are rich in returning players, that

1006
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: feels like it's going to make an enormous difference in

1007
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: the sport moving forward.

1008
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that is a good place to

1009
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: leave it, because we've got a lot to talk about

1010
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: on that front, whether it's Mike Elko losing twenty three

1011
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: name brand guys and bringing in twenty two, or to

1012
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: kind of fill in the gaps, whether it's what Ryan

1013
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: Day and Ohio State are doing, whether it's what your

1014
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: boy Dan Lanning is doing at Oregon, or other guys

1015
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: Dion Sander we haven't even mentioned Coach Prime. We could

1016
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: talk about him in the next episode. Or also a

1017
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: guy like Jeff Brahm who has been super aggressive at

1018
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: Louisville in the portal, even Kurt Signetti, who you mentioned

1019
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, there are a lot of different

1020
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: ways that we can play that conversation. But next episode

1021
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: we'll talk about how some coaches have approached the portal

1022
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: and which we think are doing a winning job, which

1023
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: we think are doing more of a puzzling job, a

1024
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: panicked right, and who's not panicking they're showing up to

1025
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: the grocery store with the ice storm approaching, Like I

1026
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: don't even like weprind what's all they have? Yeah? All right, well,

1027
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: look solverbogmail dot com is always the email address you

1028
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: can hit us up in social media as well. Yes,

1029
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: it's a long off season, but you know, we got

1030
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: to peel back the onion on the portal whenever we can.

1031
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: And that's not to say it's done yet it might

1032
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: not be done for a while, depending on what goes

1033
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: down with Harball. You know, that kicks off a new

1034
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: thirty day window at time of recording. We're recording this

1035
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: on Monday afternoon. It at least sounds like there are

1036
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: more meetings playing between Harbaugh and the Chargers. That is

1037
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: something we're going to have to pay pretty close attention

1038
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: to over the next few weeks. It is expected by

1039
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: many in our world that he will take that, but

1040
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: it is certainly not a given. And we know Michigan

1041
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 1: wants him back to start a repeat bid going into

1042
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, So stay tuned on that front. Move

1043
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: into the quarterback side of the portal on this episode,

1044
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: next episode. More to come on, coaches, and I think

1045
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: more to come on, just like bigger picture stuff honestly

1046
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: as well, like there is still a raging debate out

1047
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: on social media all across the college football media space

1048
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: with respect to the portal, and I saw an article

1049
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: published earlier today that called it a shit show, you know,

1050
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: especially when layered in with nil. There's just a lot

1051
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: to unpack and figure out, and I'm just I'm curious

1052
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: to get your take on how we can make this

1053
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: thing better. If we can make this thing better, A.

1054
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: Lot of Alabama fans with some very new principal thoughts

1055
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: aut not like this, guys, not like this isn't we

1056
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: don't want it like this?

1057
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: Guys.

1058
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 2: Funny hell lot of that happening. Can Can I finish

1059
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: with one other thing?

1060
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: Tie? Please? Please do?

1061
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: Okay, here's my announcement. We're done talking college football. If

1062
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: you came here for the college football we gave you

1063
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: what fifty six and a half minutes or so, that's

1064
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 2: pretty good fifty five minutes. I don't know what this

1065
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: is going to clock in at after you edit out

1066
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: the Saddam Hussein comment. Are you going to edit that out? Tie, No,

1067
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna lik Okay. I almost wish you would. So

1068
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: people are going to just hear that part and be like,

1069
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: what were they talking about with Saddam Hussein? And maybe

1070
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 2: that just goes out into when we released this show

1071
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: on vinyl only. We're done talking college football. So if

1072
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: you came here, thank you for your download, Thank you

1073
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 2: for your support. Perhaps the greatest recruiting job of all

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00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: in this early off season here, it is good I

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00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 2: recruited you to the dark arts of pizza making.

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Speaker 1: You did. You've now made four pizzas. I made four. Well, no,

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00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: I made three pizzas and I ruined one of them

1078
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: because you tossed. You ruined. You didn't even know. I

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00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: mean we we ate the parts of it that were

1080
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: salvage a book or edible. Yeah, I mean it you

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00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: could eat it. You could eat it rall if you wanted,

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00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: I guess. And I forgot to stop the stone from

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00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: spinning before I launched it. Yeah, and that it's like

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00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: it's hard enough on a stationary stone, but once you

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00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: get onto one that's moving. Was no bueno. And so

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00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: what is the end result of that pie look like?

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00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean I could show you what the pizza stone

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00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: looks like. It looks like a blackened mess. But it

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00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: tasted it, okay, I mean we ate, we ate the

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00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: scraps from it. It didn't have any shape, but it

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00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: tasted all right. Yeah, you so Dan came here? We

1092
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: did when did we do that? First week of January?

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00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: You came to town. We recorded at Lehigh and Yako's

1094
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: and all the cool spots around here, and you you

1095
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: pretty much put like the hard cell like you were

1096
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 1: almost literally Jim harbaughs sleeping at Quinn Ordine's house. That's true.

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00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: Recruiting not meat in Michigan me to the dark arts

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00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: of pizza making. And I have since bought all the

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00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: necessary equipment. You have given me more than enough in

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00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: instruction with respect to starting in recipes and all that.

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00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: And I did do it this weekend. And so I've

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00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: made three successfully one that was ruined that Let's be clear.

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Speaker 2: You made your own dough, made your own sauce, you

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00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 2: raided your own cheese, You let everything forermnt. You did all,

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00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: you did all the needed steps. You made by far

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Speaker 2: the best first pizzas I've ever seen. Well, thank you,

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00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 2: way better than mine looked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I had, I mean I had a good

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00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: pizza coach here, let's be real sure, and yeah, no

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00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: it it it turned out better than I expected.

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00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: You're like a coaches son, TI. You're like, well, he's

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00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: he's been doing this in the backyard for a while.

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00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: I've I've never been I'm not that smart, but I

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00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: can follow instructions forre you well, and so I followed

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00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: your instructions and I'm I'm I'm impressed by how it

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00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: by how it turned out. I have questions we need

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00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: to talk about off off the fine. But I compared

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00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 1: it earlier to golfing. It's a little bit like golfing.

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00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: When you get the birdie, you can shoot like plus

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00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: one thousand. It's the birdie that keeps you coming back

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00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: for more.

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00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have that one perfect bite and you're like, oooh,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going Honestly, this has a golf quality to it.

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00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: It's I can't recommend it enough. It's relatively inexpensive, especially

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Speaker 2: compared to what golf will end up costing you. And

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00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: you make things with your hands. You make edible, if

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00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: not delicious, end products. So yeah, I've been recruiting you

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Speaker 2: basically since freshman year. Right, it's been three years, and

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00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: you finally broke down on signing day. I recruited your

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00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: family and they helped sway you, and here we are.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be great. You're gonna be a killer pizza maker.

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00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: And I know it. This is this is going to

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00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: be something else now that I'm going to obsess over.

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00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 2: But you have access to quality ingredients. I'm already looking

1135
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: at local mills for you in Pennsylvania. Yeah. No, you're

1136
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: gonna be great. You're you're going to be the most

1137
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: popular guy in your block. You're going to be hosting

1138
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: parties more than than ever. You've got a good backyard,

1139
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: you got a nice little patio set up for hosting.

1140
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 2: So people are going to be watching you and like, yeah,

1141
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: if you're good under pressure, which you claim to be,

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00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: it's no problem.

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00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah I wasn't good, sons and uncles, I'm not as

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00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: not as good when the stone is still spinning, No,

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00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: but when the stone is stationary, I see, I seem

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00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: to have the launch pretty much down. Pat you'll be great.

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00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you. I'm so proud. And this is tip

1148
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: of the iceberg, tie, tip of the spear, whatever it is.

1149
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: You're just getting started. This, this unlocks something new in

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00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: our relationship.

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00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but you're doing with Kate too, right, Solid

1152
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: wife Kate's going to be involved. Solidwife Kate has gotten involved.

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00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: See I don't.

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00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: I don't have that kind of collaboration here.

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00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been a collaborative effort over here. Good

1156
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: for you. I'm all right sited. Look that's it for

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00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: today's show. Because the conversation I felt like it was

1158
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: a good conversation because it ran a little bit long.

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00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: We'll bump the rest of it to the Thursday episodes,

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00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: so make sure you come back for more. Hit subscribe it, follow,

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00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: leave a rating review. All that good stuff helps other

1162
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: people find them for baller hood. If you're really into

1163
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: what we do, if you really want to help support

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00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: what Dan and I do, you get access to bonus episodes,

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00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: ad free episodes, the Discord, all what we've got planned

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00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: here in the off season. Go to verballers dot com.

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Speaker 1: V E R B A L L E r s

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Speaker 1: dot com. Uh fun, shat Dan. We talk pizza. So

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Speaker 1: on that note, Uh yeah, stay solid. Peace,