WEBVTT - Mendeecees Harris 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.840 This is gonna sound horrible, but I put my mom 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:05.880 up for clattering what I was getting a bunch of keys. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.400 And he was like, well, you guys, show me where 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:10.039 your mom lived back and she know she had no idea, right, 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:12.600 And I took him and I never even told him 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.680 about that. All my life and grinding all my life, 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.600 sack fights, hustle back price. One slice got the broner 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.239 dice to swapp all my life. I've been grinding all 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.279 my life, all my life, then grinding all my life, 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:30.880 sack of fights, hustle back price. One slice got the 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.640 bron dice to swap all my life. I've been grinding 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:38.199 in all my life. Hello, welcome to another edition of 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.320 Club Sha Shake. I am your whole shod in sharp. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.320 I'm also the propriud of Club Sha Shake, and the 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.159 guy that's stopping by for a drinking conversation today is 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:49.440 a music manager, producer, real estate developer, actor, entrepreneur, father, husband, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.920 reality TV star men DC's Harry Run. Thank you for 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.000 talking about the club. How you been this man? Taking 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.120 it easy? Man, a blessing. Thank you for having me 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.280 nah man, thankful coming on. You know every time we 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.760 couple the guys, come on, we have toast. Yeah, let's 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:09.040 do it. I appreciate it time much. Whoof nice and smooth? 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.720 So bro taking it easy man, one day at a time. Noah, 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:17.360 you do more than to take it easy from Harlem. 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.960 Everybody says they got the best, Bro Harlem say they're 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:24.560 the best, Brooklyn say they're the best. Y'aller queens, Uh, 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.680 what's the best? Brom? I gotta say, hallm right? Because 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.640 harm got his own culture. We trend setters. I know 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.920 you heard of dab Yes, so there you go like that. 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.920 That is our tradition. Dabadan is one of many. He's 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:40.560 an icon, but he's one of many styles that come 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:44.200 out of Harlem. And you know he's an innovator and 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.680 he pushed the culture forward. But it's so many, so 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.280 many styles in hallm right. That's what I mean. You know, 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.120 you guys are known for hustlers, even the flashing, you know, 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.600 the big cars and you know, you know the big 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.200 halfs back in the fifties and sixty. The third makes 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.640 is that is that what Harlem is? When you when 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:04.440 people think of Harlem, is that what they think of 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.400 So Harlem, you know we grew up looking up to 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:15.320 people like Nicky Bonds. Yeah, uh God Fisher, the rich porters, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.240 and you know you hear the stories, so you know 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.520 we we we breede hustlers, rubber burrows. They got other 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.240 things going on, but it's it's it's really hustlers out 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.240 of Hallm. But okay, so I'm looking at the guys 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:32.520 p Diddy, Tupac, sat Rocket, Cameron Mays, Keith Sweat, Jim Jones, Dames, Dad, Douggie, Press, 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.720 Eddy Riley, Julia Santana. If I okay, you gotta have 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.880 a Mount Rushmore. You gotta have four people of the 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.560 guys that I just named, who's on your Mount Rushmore. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.840 I will go puff. I will go with Cameron, I 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.600 will go with Mace, Okay, and I will go with 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:56.960 I will go with uh Juwel santannad Man. Look, man, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:02.120 how you leave from Hallm. Well he lived there for 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.959 a little right, So do we say he from there? Yeah? 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:11.200 Well I ain't see. You know, I never heard him 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.079 red Hollm, right, So if I hear West Coast, Yeah, 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.040 so when I if I heard him red Hollm, then 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.639 then he would have been number one. So when you 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.800 when everybody obviously did it, that's how I put him 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:27.959 number one. Yeah, yeah, So did you know did he No? No, 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.440 I never, I don't. I don't know him. So what 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.880 what if? What if did he done for the borough 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.640 of hall the people of Harlem, because we see him 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.720 out so much, and like you said, he's always ripping 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:44.160 his hood. From what I see growing up, he gave 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.880 a lot of people jobs. You know, he saved Mace. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.520 I know a lot of people that have worked for 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.640 him that I've seen in the neighborhood. Did not see him, 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.800 but see him with puff and I always know how 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.520 to know give people five because I grew up with him. Right, 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.960 but he is he is fire the community. Yeah, absolutely, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.160 you know, just just with style, grace in his presence, 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.680 you know, just seeing him make it out of Haller 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.040 and make us feel gave us hope, make us feel 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.520 like we can make it. But you know, but when 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.440 I look at it, you look at the record executive, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.560 you got him and you got Dame Dash. How familiar 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.880 are you with d No, I meant Dame Dash and 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.720 you know I messed up because I definitely meant to 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.480 put him on my list. Okay, because he's a hustler, right, Oh, 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.200 he definitely. Yeah. He constantly reminds you that, yeah, yeah, 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.880 he he might be number one, really right. And the 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.280 reason why I see number one because he really, really, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.720 really for the streets. He's really for harm. He goes 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.400 back in the community and you know, help people from 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.760 coming home from jail, prison, getting him getting a life 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.400 back together, filming movies, putting them in the movies. I 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.280 see a huge impact with Dame Dash then I do 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.840 with you know, with that list. A lot of people 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.880 on that list you mentioned at Rocky's on the list, 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.480 obviously being from Harlem, but not his big exclaimed the 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.000 thing he wife Rihanna. I mean, I mean, I mean, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.800 I can't nobody top that one. That's a lot of 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:13.520 right there. So we I mean, you see he was 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.000 on the cover with I mean, obviously they're about to 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.920 bring Welcome to the Second Child. He's on the cover 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.400 of Vogue, I mean, and it's just hard I mean 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:24.880 because they're talking about the way he was dressed and 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.560 how you know, you see a lot of guys dressing 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.840 now you see them in they were skirts, So what 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.360 I mean kill, I guess it's a killed or whatever 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.480 they wear, So I think a sap and for a 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.480 sap rocket. They've all got like a village style. It's 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.960 not it's not harm. You don't really see that in Hollom. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.480 You see that like in Soho. Okay, so you know 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:49.000 they they they're different, you know. So they embraced it. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.760 I accept it, you know, but they but they Hollom 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.640 on their back. So I'm moving for them. I'm looking 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:59.200 at you. You raised them a single parent household in Harlem? 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:01.920 What was that life like for you? Did you? And 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.000 we don't get into, you know, some of the some 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.080 of the things that you got into, so use raised 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.200 single parent household? Would you have been different if both 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.480 parents were in the same Yeah? Absolutely, you know what. 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.800 I say that all the time. I'll just be I 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.200 always ask myself that what how would I have turned 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:22.560 out if I had a father figure and my mom there? Right, 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:27.920 but let alone a male figure as as an example, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.080 even yeah, a positive example, even if he's not a 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:36.800 father figure, just an example of what a man the 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.360 right thing to do. So I never had that. You know, 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.240 I grew up in the eighties and the projects, and 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.680 and you know that when I grew up, you know, 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.680 crack was really really taking over Holom drugs was taking 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.360 over Holom, so a lot of my friends, including myself. 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.200 You know, our parents felt victim, right, so we we 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.320 we kind of had to figure it out, right, you know. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.360 And and back then, you know, Grandma had chuck kids 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.960 and had so many grandkids. She couldn't do every she 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.080 couldn't do be there for everyone. So you know, sometimes 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:06.680 to just find their own way. And I was one 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:08.120 of the kids that had to find my own way. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.800 So when you were growing up, what did man, DC's 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.760 what did you want to become? What did you want 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.680 to be in life? When you got older, you're like, okay, 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.560 you're eleven, twelve, thirteen, and you're like, man, what I 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.080 want to be a professional athlete. I want to be there. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:22.640 So I want to be at the doctor. Know i't 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:26.000 I ain't get a chance to really to think that far, right, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:30.400 because when I when I was six, I remember my aunt, 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.960 you know, one of my aunt boyfriends whatever U introduced 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.880 me to drugs And you're like, wow, six year old, yeah, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.040 a six year old where you know, you put them 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.080 on a block and you say here, surety, hold this pack, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.480 and every time they run out they get the pack. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.360 You I don't know what I'm doing right, But later 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.680 on I come to find out what I was doing 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.280 so and that became normal to me, right, and then 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.679 it just progressed and it got it got more involved 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.520 and more involved to hey, listen, this is how eating 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.920 this hot feet my family. Normally, a male, a dominant 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.880 figure in your life, grooms you to become. My brother 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.520 was grooming me because I saw him. I wanted to 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.920 be a professional athlete. Or a father grooms a son 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.840 to become a doctor or a lawyer, or mother grooms 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:15.920 her son to be you know, we see Lebron how 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.240 he's grooming brine to be followed his footsteps. You had 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.040 an uncle that was grooming you. You got hustles grooming 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.680 kids to be hustlers, right right, I mean they're not 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.880 grooming for nothing else. So they telling you don't go 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.800 to school, that shit don't pay. That's whack, right, right. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.400 So then you have your mom telling you go to school, 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.319 go to school, go to school. But then when your 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.760 mom full victim in the street, your protector's gone, right, 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.120 so it's no one over you to be like, you know, 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:45.079 go to school. So you know that's that's where it becomes. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.560 So do you feel like you always do you feel 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.839 like you were always searching for that male, for that 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:55.200 role model, not necessarily a father, but a but a figure, 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.200 someone that was positive that you could look up into. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:58.719 It says, Okay, that's what I want to be, like 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.000 I think. I think for me, I stopped looking a 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.880 long time ago for in a person that I looked 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.719 to be that role model. I look for myself to 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.360 be that to my kids, Right, so I make sure 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.520 they never be me when I was that kid looking 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.440 for that role model. I'm their role model, right, I'm 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.920 involved in their life. Did you play sports growing up? 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.160 I never got a chance, right, I never got a 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.640 chance to play sports. I think for the most part, 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.600 I was being I was too much worned about things 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:31.080 that shouldn't be learned about. Right, So, how does how 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.560 do we get someone like a kid that's coming up 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.439 in your situation living in a similar situation? How do 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.880 we get them? And says, you know what, I understand, 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.120 this is the environment that I'm in. But there is 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.000 a better way out. How do we find people? How 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.880 do we pair them with mentors and role models to 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.160 get them out of that thought process that this is 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.480 the only way out. See now, I think what's helping 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.000 the kids now is the Internet, okay, because they see 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.960 success in different forms. Right when I was growing up, 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.400 we only seen success in either you made it to 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.120 the NBA, you played basketball, or you as a hustler. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.400 The people that was the entertainments, we couldn't touch them, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.160 right we you know, but the hustlers we can touch. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.760 We saw them, We saw them, We up in personal 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.120 with them. Right there was like a hood superstars. So 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.840 now with the with the internet being the way it is, kids, 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:27.559 you know, we're seeing successful kids on YouTube. We TikTok comedians, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.680 people are making theirselfs and building theirselves so that that's 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.719 inspiring a lot of kids to do something different. And 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.080 I read a post the other day and said TikTokers 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.760 make more than drug dealers. Wow, you know, and that 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.880 that was powerful right there, because I had to think 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.240 about it. And I know, you know, my son dropped 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.760 a YouTube video and here and make five to ten grain, right, 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.079 so just by just showing his everyday life, right so 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.719 I can and he don't even go hard, So I 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.400 can imagine the kids that's invested in going hard, you know, 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.439 they just doing something that's definitely let dangerous. Right, Oh yeah, 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.319 you're sleeping bed at night. I take that. So you 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:08.280 ended up catching a beard five year beard? What what 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.240 do you what? What? What do you do to stretch for? 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.960 I had, I had a conspiracy to move uh uh 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:20.120 kilos from New York to Rochester. And what happened in 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.800 that case is usually when you're in the fast somebody, 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:26.160 somebody get locked up in whatever state they are, and 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.880 they get presented a deal. Listen, tell us who got money. 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.160 I don't care if you did business with them. You 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.240 just gotta tell us, point us in the direction with 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.640 the money at and we enlighten your sentence. And I 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.120 was pointed at. You know, I had. I had a 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.199 long run and sometimes when you know you're wrong, you 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.600 don't have to fight, even though that's not my situation. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.880 But I got away with this right here. So I'm 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.679 going to take the plea and and take that on 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.319 the chin and get back to my life. So you 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.640 you would you would choppo before choppol, No, I wouldn't 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.679 say that. I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't like that, 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.240 not like but I was moving some weight for some 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.800 well since a kid. But but I wasn't I wasn't chop, 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.120 but I got some I got some crazy stories about 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.800 you know. Uh. I remember one time I was dealing 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.360 with a connect and at this sound this is gonna 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:21.880 sound horrible, but I put my mom up for collateral. What. Yeah, 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:23.480 I was getting a bunch of I was, I was 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.199 getting a bunch of keys. And it was like, well, 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.079 you guys, show me where your mom lived at, because 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.319 if you you run off on this, you can't afford 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.599 you to run off right. And I was like, I 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.760 ain't had no tinches in running off right. So I 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.400 was like, I'll show you and I and I took him, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.480 and she know, she had no idea, right, and I 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:46.280 took him. So if that normal, I think. I think 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.319 at that point I had good in my heart to 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.840 do good business right, So I didn't look. I didn't 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.959 think that I put my mom. I really put my 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.520 mom right, and you know, and I never even told 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.079 nobody that, right, So that was that was when I 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.280 look back at the decisions I made now, I was like, godly, 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.199 I can't believe I'm still here with that. One of 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:07.840 the worst decisions that you did, that you put your 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.959 mom up. That's one of them. That's one of them. 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.679 That's one of them. You are, man, So did it 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.160 ever dawn on you? Like, man, what if I get caught? 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.720 What if I get killed? If so? What happened when 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.480 that thought process happened? Right, I didn't have any kids. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.320 I ain't have I ain't have nothing to live for, right, right, 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.800 I only had me. I had me my whole life. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.240 That that changed the moment I had my son because 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.920 I said, well, if something happened to me, who has him? Right, 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.720 He's going to be a lost child. Right, So if 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.480 I if I want to change that narrative, then I 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.439 got to start figuring out something different because I want 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.000 to beat there for him, you know, and that's important 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.480 to me. That's a more important money, that's more important 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.800 than then that's that's number one in my life. And 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.520 he changed that thought process and the crazy stuff I 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.640 used to do. I started scaling back, scaling back, scaling back, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.560 and it was it was a time where I would 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.280 be like, I want to do this some more, right, 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.400 but I gotta find something to do. And the moment 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.440 I started thinking of hustles, other hustles. First thing came 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.680 on my mind is real estate, you know, because that's 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.800 where most hustles go right, because it's were taken nothing 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.800 and turn into something right, and you know, so that's 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:21.680 that's what I was heading. So when you were when 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.600 you were hustling, did you put the money that you 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.680 were making into a legitimate business because a lot of 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.160 times that's what they try to do. They try to 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:30.640 you know, you gotta clean the money up. You gotta 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.080 have something to show when you're getting all this income from. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.720 We tried, right, but you gotta understand, we didn't. We 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.160 didn't really know. I didn't really know the structure. You know, 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:44.200 nobody teaches finance structure. We you know, it's so late 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.320 in the game. We learned about LLC's and and trust 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.440 or even though how to hide the money. Most of 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:54.040 the money was like shoot people house, yeah, shoe boxes 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.840 and then you know them people start tapping you. So 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.720 you go to home depot, buy a bunch of safes 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.280 and just put them in people how that you have 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.040 no connections with and hoping that you know, if they 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.560 come nobody go over there. Right, oh man? So what 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.480 was what was the most money that you made in 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:14.960 a deal? In a deal profit see profit in one day? 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.800 I think probably like a hundred grand profit one day 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.680 and he was like, okay, just east money. It was 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:28.480 it was it was looking forward to the next day. So, right, 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.360 so you make it and you don't get a chance 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.480 to celebrate, you're just happy you didn't get caught. So 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.680 you just you just worrying about, Okay, what I'm gonna do, 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.280 What I'm gonna do tomorrow. So when you make let's 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.080 just say you made you made a hundred grand profit. 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:42.960 Did you think, man, I'm gonna go buy this. Let 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:44.760 me let me go celebrate that. I mean, did you 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.800 buy anything with it? Did you get a chance to 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:48.960 enjoy any of it? Yeah? I got a chance something. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.200 I brought a lot of cars, I took care on 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.920 people's we party, we traveled. We uh we we live 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.440 life as to what we thought was living life right right, 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.000 you know, I look back in it now it ain't 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:07.000 shit right, But back then, coming from the projects, most 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:08.840 most people in the projects don't get a chance that 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.120 they never been on. It's some people I took on 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.480 the plane for the first time, grown in right. So 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.560 to be able to take fifteen people on the plane 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.280 and say let's go to Miami for the weekend and 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.240 put them all in rooms and have fun and do things. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.200 It was like little kids with money. So you know 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.520 that we call that at that time living life. Right, 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.400 did you ever did did you ever look over your shoulder? 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.520 When did you find yourself constantly peek get out the window? Yeah? Listen, 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:40.720 I had home invasions. I had a tempt kidnaps. I 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.920 had I had been through like so much that that 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:49.680 I was paranoid. Right. I had correction officers dress up 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:54.040 like cops and and act like they was. They were 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:58.000 serving the warrant. Meanwhile they they I seen them stuffing 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.680 bags and taking the money out the bags and stuff, 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.160 and then they boutiful vest and I remember my brother 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.200 said they ain't cops, say robbin us. So you know, 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:12.600 in in that instance, you know, just trust trust issues. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.680 I didn't trust no one, right, you know, I didn't 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.720 know like I have friends, you know, uh, watching friends 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:24.080 kill friends, watching girls set guys up. You know it 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.119 was it was a movie, a real movie. So how 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.000 you trust issues? Now? You still have trust issues? So 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.560 I still have them, but they're not as worse as 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.720 it used to be because I'm not in that lifestyle, 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.640 no know. So it's like, if you want to stick 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.320 me up, go to the bank and you know, just 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.359 get them a letter and see how far that gets you. 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.680 But the trust issues I have now is just you know, 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.760 I'm still, you know, doing okay for myself. So when 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:56.119 you're doing okay, everybody's you experience anybody saying they love you, 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.000 want to be around, call your phone, when help, when this, 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.000 want that? And if you got a good heart, you know, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.080 I'm like, I'm help someone, right, you know, but sometimes 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.760 it's not always good. You gotta be careful who you help. Right. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.639 Do you ever worry about your pass anybody from your 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:13.520 past running down on you? Do you think about that 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.240 or are you so far removed from that? I'm so 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.240 far removed from that. But I feel, in my opinion, 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.240 you know, I did right by people. If I did wrong, 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.640 it's because you caused me to do wrong. Right force 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.720 my hand. You know, you fucked up and you did 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.080 some ship right and you got to eat that right. 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.240 But but I never I'm like, I'm not a Yeah, 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.080 I ain't the troublemaker. I like to get money, have fun. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.760 At that time, you know, you know I was with 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:44.920 the with the hip hop you know, at that time 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.880 they said money cars closing holes. All the nigga knows 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.520 that was our model, right, So the beefing and all that, Now, 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.159 I had some people for that, if you want that, 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.920 But I try to stay away from that because I 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.680 always knew that once you start mixing the murders in 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.080 the pheas ain't gonna let you get. But so much money, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.879 they they gotta come right, They're not gonna They're not 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:09.520 gonna do that. So what what is it about that lifestyle, 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.439 that culture that seems to be embraced so much by 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.840 us that with ever since the movie scar Yeah, hip hop, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.760 But I'm saying ever since like you mentioned Nicky Barns 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.520 and you you mentioned U Frank Lucas, Yeah, Frank Lucas 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.440 and within eighty three with Scarface, k everybody had to 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.680 post that. Everybody watching that movie and you get chopped on, 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.639 and you get, you get Noriega, and you get you know. 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:37.080 I think I think people are intrigued by the people 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.639 the underdog, right, the people that come from nothing, from poverties, 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.600 from just the worst circumstances as as you can think of. 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.800 And once you see them, uh take nothing and turn 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.159 into something and get that level of successful, they become 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:56.200 a hero. Right, right. So it's just like people go 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.640 to Africa, still gold and diamonds. You know, you're still 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.680 a little they call you a thief, you're still a 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.320 lot they call your king. Right, So it's the same, 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.680 it's the same concept. We just we're just not talking 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.720 diamonds and gold, right you know. Okay, I look at 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.840 Jay and Jay had a very similar and you've been 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:15.879 you know, jay Z very well and he started in 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.480 that lifestyle and look what he became. Did did you 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.480 think that, like, you know what, put that behind me 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:26.160 and you can become what you're becoming. Absolutely, I've seen 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.920 the direction with hip hop was taking us here, and 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.440 I've seen an outlet for all the guys that was 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:35.960 transitioning from the streets, finding talent in the in the hood, 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.040 and pushing the talent in the music business. So once 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.960 I'm able to identify that, now this is a model, 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.280 I see, I'm going that same way because you sleep better, 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:47.880 get to take care of your family, and you live 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.040 a better lifestyle without you know, looking over your shoulder, 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:53.280 and you know you don't have to do that no more. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.919 So I'm inspired. Right, what do you think about shows 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:01.840 like BMF and Snowfall? And power. See, I got mixed 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.840 feelings about that, right, because my son he loves snowfall. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.560 He you know, he's he's an actor now, right, he 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:10.639 go to all my kids go to acting school. And 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.879 he just got he you know, he just got signed 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.160 his big contract with his agent, with a top agent, 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.240 so you know, he he he want to play that role, 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:23.000 right and not? And and I look at that role, 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:24.840 and I look at that show, and I'd be like, 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:27.119 I've been through all I've been through so much of 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:31.639 that ship, right that it's not It's sad right that 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.040 that a young kid have to go through that, right, 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.720 because that shouldn't be our life, right and and and 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.639 and you know, you get these suburb kids that that 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.320 you know, they're excited by that lifestyle, and I say, 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:46.720 you don't want that, right, That's not something you want, 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.840 right you when you when you look at it, it's 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:53.520 like suburbs. I mean a lot of times the hood 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.200 want to be in the suburb of the suburb want 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:56.920 to go back to the hood and live a life. 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.639 So how about they're just like rapp us want to 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:03.000 be rappers, and trappers want to be rappers. So they 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:07.720 want to they want to reverse because the rappers they're talking, 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:09.639 some of them, not all of them, talk about a 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.680 lifestyle they didn't never live, right, right, And then the 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.159 real trappers don't want to live that lifestyle, so they say, like, 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:18.320 you see how easy you make them. I wish let's 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.480 trade places, right. You think it's that easy, Yeah, let's 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.639 trade places. Right. But the entertainment value and the and 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.119 I get it because it's for entertainment and I'm not 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:29.159 you know, I'm not looking like I said, Snowfall is 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.440 probably my favorite show. It's probably mine. It's probably really 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:35.600 the only show that I watch on television. But there's 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:39.280 an entertainment value of it. But to get the authenticity 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.680 downpat they had to go and research and do some 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:44.719 things with some people that says, Okay, this is how 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:46.399 you do it, this is the lingo that you use, 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:49.399 and this is what you do right absolutely, because you 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:52.560 you have to be on ground level to understand, you know, 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.760 I'm of course there's some secrets that you can't tell 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:59.000 because they still working today, right, And you don't want 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.440 to blow people's spot up, you know, because this is 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.080 how they speed their family. But they had to go 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.520 deep down to ground level and touch the hood and 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.959 get with I heard the stories based off Rick Ross, right, 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:13.040 I got a chance to meet him too, so that 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:16.480 that was pretty cool because I what was cool is 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:18.680 I heard his story right, and I see it on TV. 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.560 So you know, I'm like, all right, if your job, 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:24.440 if you could give up any advice, if you could 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.000 see if job Morant was sitting right here, and you 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:29.200 could give him any piece of advice, or you could 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.440 have a conversation with him, what was some of the 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.720 advice that you would share with him, Like, I would 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:36.520 tell him, like most of the people were in the 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:39.240 position here is right now, he got a chance to 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:42.959 set his family up for generations to come, not just him, 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.040 not just the next generation, his kids, kids, kids, right, 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.840 I would tell him, you know, just being a tough 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:54.200 guy on pay, you know, and having a gun. Sometimes 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:56.840 I used to tell people, you know, don't carry a 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:59.960 gun because it might force you somebody might force you 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:01.840 to shoot him. Because you're not gonna let nobody beat 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:03.399 you up with a gun on you, right, You're not 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:05.720 gonna be knocked out on the floor. You got this 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.000 one yet, You got you got that, eat that that 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:10.600 you know how you get that? Now It's like I 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.320 wish you would. Right, you know, you're a different person. 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.320 I've been that person, right, I'm I was a different 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.320 person when I had a gun on me, and to 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:21.560 the point where you know, I seen myself getting an 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.040 unnecessary ship that I would avoid it if I didn't 0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:28.719 have it, right, So I didn't really like guns normally. 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:33.639 I mean normally, if you were worth two hundred million dollars, 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.560 you ain't gonna try to hustle or you're not gonna 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:40.560 try to present yourself in that in that lifestyle. But 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:42.480 and that's why I think that's the thing where people 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.440 look at me, like, job, bro, you got a chance 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.720 to do something you like you said generation, you're talking 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.160 about five generations with account of money that he's he's 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:53.000 in line to get overs. I've seen the documentary. He 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:54.879 had his father in his life. Yeah, he had his 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:57.320 mother in his life. So now when I started to 0:24:57.359 --> 0:25:00.199 see things like this, I'm questioned, like what a at 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.639 you know, not to say they're not in his life, right, 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:06.600 But I know when when when I started seeing my 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:10.080 son act up, I'm coming right, I'm what's what the 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:12.800 what's going on? Right? Like talk to me. But here's 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:16.160 the difference, and this is what I tell people. It's 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:20.080 like when the roles flip. When like when I was 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:22.200 combing up my grandfather and my grandmother said, I pay 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:24.560 the bills, you listen to me. But what happens when 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.680 the child starts paying the bills? Who listens to who? Now? 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.399 Where you live on the golf course, that's me. That 0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:35.560 nice card that you drive, that's me. Those first class 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.480 seats and those those court side seats, that's me. So 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.639 can you talk to that child the same way and 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:44.399 he listens if the role because he's now in a 0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.040 parent role, he's doing all the things that you normally 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.640 did for him. Right, So with me personally, I wouldn't 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.680 I love my son beyond money. My son can't pay 0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:56.840 me to be submissive to him, to watch him crash 0:25:56.880 --> 0:26:00.840 out right, Okay, So so I can't do nothing with 0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.320 the money without him here, I mean, if I need 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:05.920 him here so we can enjoy it. Right, So I 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:09.480 don't think that ever happened with me? Right? So you 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:14.320 were shot twice, stabbed thirteen times right as you're lying there, 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.959 what's going on? Is your life like literally flashing before you? Guys, Like, man, 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:20.840 am I gonna make it? But some one time I 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.080 was One time I got stabbed. I didn't know I 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:26.280 was actually stabbed because I was too busy my gelman 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:29.760 and you're fighting and then you're like, oh snap, what's 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.359 what's my shirts sticking to me? And then you know, 0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.439 my back sticking And then then it's like then when 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.960 you start seeing blood, then it's like your mind like, oh, okay, 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:40.879 I'm getting tired now. Right then, maybe if I didn't 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:45.440 see it then, but it happens, you know, it happens. 0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:50.159 And when when when something like that happens, you just 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.600 gotta thank god you still here. Did you know you 0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.240 had gotten shot? Yeah? Oh shot? Oh yeah, I definitely know. 0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.919 I was. I called that on myself. I did. I did. 0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:04.560 My brother got shot the day before, and I called myself, Yeah, 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:07.560 I call myself just doing something stupid and and and 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:11.200 and in the outcome, I got shot. Behind that I'm 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.920 reading your uh, your your son was a target and 0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:19.440 a kidnapping. Yeah, what happened is what happened was uh, 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.800 I started, you know, doing the right thing? Are you 0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.359 still doing the wrong thing? I was doing I was 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:29.280 doing the wrong thing, and and and and and a 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:33.560 close person wasn't wasn't was in prison, and they was 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:35.960 in prison with one of you know, a mutual friend, 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.280 and he was they was conspired. When I get home, 0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:39.920 I heard he's got all the money on the street. 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:41.760 When I get home, you know, I want, I want. 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:43.440 We need to get his son. We need to get 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.560 his son. And in the person he said that too, 0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.960 came and told me and and and you know, and 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:54.320 that was that nothing. You know, we just say we 0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:59.080 stopped that. You took a plea deal, right, so what 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:01.760 so what what was the centers that they had had 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:03.800 you not taken a plea deal? So if I went 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.880 to trial and I blew trial, then I probably would 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.120 have got like, uh, maybe twenty years if you blow trial, 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.080 because you know, they stacked the charges out. Yeah, the 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.719 government really don't like you to fight. You fight them back, right, 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:17.280 they want they want you to. They put them up. 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.760 They know they're gonna get something. One of them gonna stick. Right. 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.360 So so at the end of the day, I took 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:26.360 the lesser charge for to be like, to be able 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:28.520 to you know, I could count the time. I'm like, 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:31.440 all right, what eight years? You do? Five? I could 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:35.160 I'm so used to starting all over. It's normal to me, right, 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:40.040 like I never really have money issues, right, because it's 0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:42.560 like it's as soon as I came outside, I just 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.360 figured I figured it out. So I'm like, well, five 0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:47.480 years I could you know, I could come back and 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.360 start my life back over and and at that time, 0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:54.160 I was on TV, so I didn't know if TV 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.040 was going to be there, but I knew that it 0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.560 was open up doors for me, right, So I was like, 0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:00.560 let's hurry up and get this over with, so I could, 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:02.680 you know, get my life back together. So what do 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:04.440 you think about the situation? Though I don't know. I 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:06.040 know you, I don't know how much you know how 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.880 much you've read the situation that's going on in Atlanta 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:13.080 with the RICO on Gunna and why why you sail? Right? 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.120 Could what because like we were talking about earlier, what 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:21.479 is entertainment and what is reality? So how do how 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:23.640 does how can you say because I'm talking about you know, 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:27.840 captain Theirs and doing that, that that's reality, right? See, 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.360 I don't know they case right, And because I know 0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:35.360 that successful black men become targets from the government because 0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:39.160 of their influence in the company that they keep, right, 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:44.520 So I know that, But far as they case, I 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:48.640 don't know, and I wish them gods the best, you know, 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.880 I wish that they they they they have an opportunity, 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.200 the same opportunity John Marant have to to change to 0:29:55.320 --> 0:30:01.880 rewrite history in support their family, UH people and inspired 0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:05.200 hoping the community right. So I hope they make out 0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:08.240 the best. And I hope that everything that the media 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:12.200 is saying true because I know about the media twisting 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.680 things around to make it sound slacious enough to to 0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.120 to to get a conviction. Because when when you when 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.200 you play with the media, the same people that's watching 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.680 the media is the jurist, right, So they're going off 0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.600 with these newspaper they're going off for with all the 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.360 bad things, so they're not really taking an account of 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.680 your actions. It is basically who can prove their story? Right? 0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:42.080 You when you cop the plea and it's like you 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:43.800 didn't get the amount of time that you could have 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.640 got gotten. The people think you read it dime snitched someone. Well, 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.360 I think for the for the people that's not educated 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.120 in the UH with the system. So if you if 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:56.040 if if you don't, if you don't, if you never 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.920 experienced this lifestyle, right and you're from the outside looking 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.880 in and you just looking at like a glampse of 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:05.240 the story. You make your own opinion. You're gonna formulate 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:07.320 your own opinion. But if you if you have a 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:11.520 loved one there, or you experience it, then you just 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.520 have to get more information. Right. That's just like me 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:16.920 make an opinion about why it's out. I can't make 0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.560 an opinion because I don't know the story. So I 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.840 don't know. I can't sit here and be like this 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:26.280 far as out could say they're innocent. You know you're 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.800 under saying and what they're convicted of just having money 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:33.040 and power. Money and powers is a drug and it 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.479 is dangerous and people don't like to want to see 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:41.400 you with that. So in my case, you know, people 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:43.800 I guess for the type of money I was getting, 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.280 they feel like I heard, that's not enough time. Right, 0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:49.719 that's not enough time, right, you you was out there 0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.440 killing it for too long. That's time. It's a time. 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.800 But a lot of times I kept people out of 0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:59.320 my business. So even even the dealers I was doing, 0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:01.760 you didn't know about them, right, or all you know 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.840 is about the Rolex, the nice cause, this and that, 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.240 But you don't know my dealings. So because they behind 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:12.760 closed doors, So you know that's it. So why are 0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:15.000 we seeing so many rappers going to PRIs put his rico? 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:17.240 How are they able to just slap that reco charge on? 0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:22.040 Because the rico and conspiracy is is about affiliation, right 0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:25.800 and as long as as long as we affiliated together, 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:29.960 Uh just say you you I'm I'm an artist, your 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.040 street guy. You you come to me telling me about 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:37.040 your problems. If I give you one advice, then that's 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:40.840 a rico. Yeah, we conspiracy. I can't give you advice. 0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:44.320 We and we ain't even really supposed to be hanging out, right. 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:48.440 But you gotta understand for for a lot of guys 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:51.000 that made it have a sense of loyalty for the 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:54.040 people they come up with, and just because they made it, 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:56.320 they don't they're not going to band the ones that 0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:59.360 was there for them, you know. And and in every 0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.840 sense of of me being through that, that's why I 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.760 moved from New York to Atlanta, because I knew I 0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:07.720 had so many down people for me and I just 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:09.920 didn't want to be around that no more, you know, 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.440 And and loved ones. I love them like I love 0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.800 them like we go out to eat and they're gonna 0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:16.600 they're gonna pull up, you know what I'm saying. So, 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.479 but they that's theay life. It's not my life no more, 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:24.000 you know, so I have to separate that. Man. I'm looking. 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:27.400 Prison wasn't too bad for you, bro, I mean, your 0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:32.560 right what I feel today. So so I went I 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.160 went through. I went through prison not only as a 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:39.120 kingpin but a reality TV star. Yeah right, So you 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.560 know when I went to the white prison, you know, 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.840 the CEOs hated on me, right or the guy with 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:47.960 the white teeth and and the gouy on TMZ and 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.640 this and that, and they hate was go get that 0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.600 garbage and mister Harris, take that garbage and take it 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.200 to the top of the hill and laughter. They thing 0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.720 right now, I'd be like, you know, I'll courage to 0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.880 say signing up my breath, and I wouldn't do it right. 0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.240 So they call itself discipline me. But when I go 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.160 when I moved to the camp, now, the federal camp 0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:12.359 don't have no gates around people getting furloughs. Furloughs if 0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:15.040 you could go home for twenty eight hours, I mean 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.680 forty eight hours and stuff like that. And it's black people, 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:23.319 young black people, hip hop people. So they're like, yo, 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.000 looks up, man, Yo, you wanna go to a concert? Here, 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.480 We're gonna I'm gonna call Remy mar Let you go 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:33.360 to Remy mall because she's performing in Atlantic City. And pappoos, 0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:35.799 let one of my the CEOs on my unit come 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.200 to the concert. So he go to the concerts, he'll 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:42.800 come back like, go on your locker, be popas of lobster, 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.920 all types of stuff. Then then then it used to 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.680 be like here, man, here's your phone, so somebody call you, 0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:50.960 and and I'd be like, yo, listen, stop bringing me 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.600 the phone in front of everybody. Right, So you know, 0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:59.400 it was very, very very very relaxed in that sense. 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.239 But at the same time, one of the hardest things 0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.239 I had to deal with is, you know, watching my 0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:07.240 kids grow up through prison, right, So you know, nothing 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.400 superseded that right there. I think for me that was 0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.879 the hardest part. In every every visit, my kid could 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.440 ask me, Dad, when you're coming home? Right, when you're 0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:18.279 coming home? When you come home? And every time I 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:21.160 said soon. Soon they got to a point where they 0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:23.160 got tired of here, and soon they want to annoy 0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:27.239 a date. Did you ever did you ever tell don't 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:28.640 bring it back. I don't want to see I don't 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:29.960 want him to see me like this. I don't want 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:33.080 to see him bad. No, I think I never said 0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:36.840 that because I still wanted that connection right, and I 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:39.600 still wanted to be involved in their life as as 0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:43.000 as much as possible, because I see when when men 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:47.040 not involved in their children life, sometimes a kid be bitter, right, 0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:49.480 you know, they feel that they have that benement issues. 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:52.120 And I just wanted to re ensure my kids that 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.719 I love them right, and anything I could do from 0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:58.640 them from there was just sound advice or a gift 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.400 or something to ease the pain. I want to make 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.640 sure I do that. And you know, my children mother 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.480 and mother's and my wife, they did a great job 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:11.520 of keeping that connection. Well, well, it's difficult to see 0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:13.720 your wife on the internet. I mean you in jail 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.080 and you yeah, every damn I'm you know, I'm on 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.960 the toiler in the bathroom looking through a g and 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.480 I'm watching her Dubai. I'm watching her live her life 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.480 and I'm wow, Wow, I need you, I need you home, 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:28.439 I need you miserable waiting on me to come back. 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:30.880 So so I'm like, why are you going to all 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.759 these places without me. We're supposed to have this experience together, right, right, 0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:38.480 So I'm the hating and I'm toiling. I was a 0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:41.200 big hater right then. Then I said, you know, forget 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.480 this phone. I'll go to my bed and just push, push, 0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:45.080 push my bed and like when I get out, I'm 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:47.960 going to all these places. Right listen, come, I'm like, 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.440 even you're coming down, you're gonna watch me go like 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:55.040 I'm going right, And I fulfill that. I went to Dubai. 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.200 I've been in Africa a few times, and you know 0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.440 I've been to I got my passports stamped up. So 0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:04.840 it was one of the promises that I made was 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.000 to see the world because because you know, we Hollom 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.319 was our that was our world, right, we didn't really 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:13.839 know too much. It was outside of hallm So man 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:17.680 is a big world out there. So anything anything pop 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.480 up in prison, like you like, man, I gotta watch 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:22.879 my back. I gotta make oo. I mean, I had 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:26.239 some some people that I was jealous because they just 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:29.600 how I was living in there, right, you know, you 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.799 know they felt like I was getting specially treatment. They 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:38.960 feel like, you know, yeah, it wasna feel some type 0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.319 of way. But I feel like I feel like, don't 0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:43.600 be a hater, like be apart, like joint. Come on, 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.480 come on, man, get your plate, come come eat with me. Right, 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:48.680 you ain't got it like it's enough for everybody, and 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.680 I would make it enough for everybody, so you know it, 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:56.160 but you have some people. I ain't no goopie, that's 0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.880 the first thing. But when someone wanted, they don't. They 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:02.080 might be a fan, but they rather not be a groupie. 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.719 Right then then it looked like a fan. Well you 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:06.360 know what, That's one thing I can say about you 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.480 that you real because when I reached out to you, 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:11.160 and that's like, brou can I send you? Can I 0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.000 send you something? Like? Oh yeah, bro, I love to 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.440 I want to try it. And then I mean we 0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:17.640 hadn't really at that point in time, we had never met. 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:20.960 I just said, can I send you this? And that's 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:22.279 all I said, Can I see you this? I want 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:24.640 you to try? You're like yeah. And then next thing, 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.000 I know you at the Mayor's ball and you posted it. Right, 0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:30.920 I'm like, dude, what I said, bro? He said, I 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:32.880 want to see I want to see you'll succeed. Right, 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:36.200 And first I'm a fan, right, I think that I 0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:39.520 think you're super dope. I think that you know sometimes 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:42.080 you gotta not sometimes all the time. You should be 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.160 confident in who you are to be given another man 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.680 his flowers and tell another man you don't you know 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.560 you you you, what you did and which your accompass 0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:54.200 is very inspiring. And if I can be a little 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:59.080 piece of help or to assist you, to promote you 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.759 to do anything and cost me nothing to shout you 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:03.799 out and support you, why don't we do that enough? 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.840 Why us? I'm talking about us. This is a conversation 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.200 between you and our black man, the black man. Why 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.359 is it that we can't see that? Why can't well? 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.400 And sometimes I read a quote this says, jealousy sometimes 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.680 isn't about somebody you having something that somebody else wants. 0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.440 Sometimes jealousy is about them not wanting you to have 0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.839 it at all. Right, I think we do too much 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.680 for competing with each other, right right? We think that 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:30.520 you know, it's not enough for all of us to eat, 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.239 but it is, it is, it's putting money out there. 0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:35.120 I think, I think, I think, I think a lot 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:38.200 of people got like trauma and they they how they 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.600 was raised or grew up there they everything is like this. 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.839 They don't know if you know, if you give, God 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.719 gonna bless you, right, right, So they like everything like this, 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:50.360 They holding on that everything. They want everything for themselves. 0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.600 But you know, when you give and you're able to 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.280 change people lives and and put food on people's table 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:01.360 or create opportunities, that's a different type of love, different 0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:05.440 type of respect. So you know, I don't know, man, 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.759 I encourage every I don't like stinking selfish people around me. 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:10.880 I tell you, if I figured if I started to 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.799 see them traiting you, I get away from you real quick. Wow. 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:16.800 So what would what would? What was the prison fool like? 0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:20.640 It was disgusting? It was, it was, it was. It 0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:24.279 was definitely definitely disgusting. But again when I got to 0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:29.440 the to New Jersey Farrington and camp, we had black cooks. 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:32.960 They put the season in on, right, they put the 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:36.719 season in on it. So you know, again, you know, 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:43.160 for someone that that they don't have a family, that 0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:46.040 don't have anything going on, I'm pretty sure it's easy 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:49.440 for them, right. It's a mental thing, right. And then 0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:51.560 once you once you get into prison and you saw 0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:54.920 I started to see a lot of young black brothers 0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:57.960 in there, that lost so many years in prison for 0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:02.359 the smallest crime you can imagine, and they lost, they 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.880 hold they lost twenty years, right, And I started to 0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:10.000 see that prison is a business, right you know. They 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:14.160 warehouse people and put people to work to make five 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:17.600 dollars a month, ten dollars a month, where where now 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.160 they don't even have enough money to call a family. 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.800 They don't have enough money for commissary, don't have it 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:25.719 costs money they send an email. Right. So you know 0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:30.800 when you think about the the tell the self, the 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:36.160 phones and and and all of commissary and stuff. They're 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.520 making a lot of money off these people. And every time, 0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:41.800 every time people get out, you notice they do big indictments, 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:44.360 big indictments because they got to fill these prisons back up. 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:46.879 They don't want these prisons empty, right, they don't want 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:49.640 them empty. Yeah. And I got a chance to work, 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:53.960 uh in Unicorn, and I was working cleaning eighteen T 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:57.160 products right right, And I'm like that eighteen T is 0:41:57.200 --> 0:41:59.600 profiting off of prison. And you think about all the 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:03.360 big companies that's profit of for predict, they complain about 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.239 people going overseas, but them slave wages. But we got 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.759 it right here in this country right, and everybody's turning 0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:12.799 a blind eye. Nobody cares until it hit home. Then 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.200 whence they hit home, then then all of a sudden 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.040 they started to care. But you know what, man, what 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:20.840 I don't understand is that guys will go to prison 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:24.919 and work for a dollar hour or seventy five cents 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.319 or two thousan an hour, But say, nah, I want 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:29.920 no job at McDonald's making fifteen thous an hour and 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:32.680 you be free. Now you make two dollars an hour 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:35.640 incarcerated and you're not free. They tell you when to go, 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:37.520 where to go, with time to get up, what time 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:39.520 to go to bed for two dollars an hour, but 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:41.799 you don't want to work for fifteen dollars McDonald That's 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:45.960 that's beneath them. What's that mentality? What's that mice? I 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:50.160 think that's social pressure, social pressure of God's want and 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.440 be the man right, and they feel like they can 0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:56.480 never they're never gonna succeed getting fifteen dollars an hour. 0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:00.800 When you have the movies that we watch, El Chopoles 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:03.160 and The King of New York and all that, they're 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:05.759 ready to take that route. Then to be with a 0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:07.560 mop in a boom for the next five or ten 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:11.040 years or to something. You know, it's it's uncomfortable right 0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:15.120 for them, and they don't they they for me, there's 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.560 a lot of challenges. They just got to challenge it, right, 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.640 I see. Uh. For the next two times he brought 0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:24.240 diamond cuff links. He said he wanted it to remind 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.839 him of where he's been and that he's never going back. 0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:29.759 What do you think about that symbolism. I don't want 0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:34.840 nothing to remind me. You can keep all that shit. Listen. 0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:37.960 I don't want no cuffs. I don't want no khakis. 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:41.560 I don't want nothing like you know, it's so crazy 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:50.080 because I ain't boyd listen, dumb memories is in the past. 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:52.400 And the only thing that I wish, you know, not 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.320 even I wish I'm inspired to do, is to stop 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:58.799 people from going there, right right, So and tell young 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.040 brothers that's you know that I looked that could have 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.920 been me, Like, that's not the way to go, you know. 0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:07.360 So I do the mentorship. I go into schools, I 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:10.480 even go into prison, right and and who who can 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.640 they believe to tell a story but me? Right? You know, 0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:16.560 I lived at at a high level. So if I 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:20.080 can tell you your outcome. Don't don't go, don't go 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:23.239 get the outcome right, learn from me, right, you know. 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:27.000 And and I think that I'm able to reach him, 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.680 and I'm going to continue to reach as many as 0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:35.000 I can. Took courses in prison, and it took every 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:37.359 I took every program. That's how that's how I got 0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:41.120 through my days. I took every class that I can take, right, 0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:42.920 So I wanted to work on I wanted to take 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:46.120 that time and do something useful for me. It was 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.920 to learn, and you know, just for me, it was 0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:53.640 like college, right. So I never got a chance to 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:55.560 I got a GD. I never got a chance to 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:58.480 finish school. But I got my GD. So that my 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:02.279 my my time in prison, and it was to learn 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:04.880 as much as I can learn, not to make this 0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:10.480 dead time, idle time I'm just sitting around learn and 0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:14.640 also reflect on the decisions I made and also figure 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:16.719 out how to make better decisions. So you know, when 0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:19.880 when you're there, your whole life flashed behind you. Right, 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:21.880 And you always say that if I did this is different? 0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:25.200 How did this is different? Did you? So? Do you? Did? 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:28.920 You have a lot of like thinking about because they 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.480 say a prison okay, there's two ways of looking at prison, 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.000 the actual facility in what you're in and your mind 0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:39.080 being incarcerrated. If that, when the mind gets incarcerrated, is 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.120 where people do bad things to themselves and maybe do 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:44.040 bad things to other people. So did you ever a lot? 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:46.440 Did you ever allow yourself to like, man, I mean 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:48.040 five years And you know you say that's not a 0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:49.800 lot of time, but five years of a lot of 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:51.520 time when you can't go and come as you please. 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:53.719 But see five, I said five years not a lot 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.320 of time, because if I said I had a fifteen 0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:58.880 year run, right, and I tell you everything that happened 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.080 to me in that fifteen years, five years not a 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.279 lot of time. Oh okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.640 you know what I'm saying. I'm saying yeah. So so man, 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:08.920 I remember the pandemic, Man DC, Man, I'll lose my 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.480 mind inside and I could still get my car, drive 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:13.200 out of pre where I couldn't go in a restaurant 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.279 and not listen, Man, try to sleep on the floor. 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.719 That's hard. That's how the bed feels, right. So for 0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:21.320 the pandemic, I was home in the pandemic, and I 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:24.839 got a California King right. I was good right there. 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:29.239 So I got the remote California King, got the kids, 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:32.200 the dog. I was chilling. When you got out, you 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:34.960 had a financial well seminar call from prison sale to 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:40.840 living well. What made you decide to do that? Because 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:43.640 when I first came out of prison, right, and and 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:46.640 you know, I never been through prison, so I never experienced, 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:51.440 you know, the aftermath, the part like things that I 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:54.560 couldn't do, Like I couldn't get I had money coming out. 0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:57.000 You know, I couldn't get a car because I can't 0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:01.160 enter a contract. No banks wanted my money because they 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:05.200 figure he's going money launder, right, So when when you 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:07.600 when you when you look up the case and you 0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:10.080 see millions of dollars, they said, oh, he's going to 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:13.640 run millions of dollars to a bank. And you know, 0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.920 we we don't we don't want that attention, you know. 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.640 So I had nowhere to put my money. I had 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.959 a great accounting that when I was in prison, moved 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.600 my money to Canada. That's the only that was the 0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:27.759 only person that was the only place I could was 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:30.719 willing to take my money in Canada. And when I 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:35.799 came home, I started trying to trying to get buy 0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:37.400 a house. The house I live in now was going 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:40.960 to buy the house, and and I had alert the 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.960 back office, and I slid underneath the radar. But as 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:45.640 soon as I alert the back office, they kicked my 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:49.239 money straight on out. So it was like it was 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:54.200 like only through relationships and network, I was able to 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:57.880 re establish myself in the support system. Right, So I 0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:00.560 had I had, I had a job, I had valuging 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.480 for me. I had I had that support that that 0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:07.000 made it easy. But I was more concerned how how 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:08.919 I got in that program. It's the people that don't 0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.200 have the support what that looked like for them. And 0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:16.839 and you know, I was losing holpe at one point, right, 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:21.839 So I can imagine someone with no support how they 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:24.960 losing hope and then they end up doing what they 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:27.279 was doing before they got in there, because they they 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:31.839 they they went through all their remedies and it led 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.120 them back to a square one. And that's my question 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:37.680 to you, how do we keep man that looked like 0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.920 you and I from going And if they do go, 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:44.279 how do we keep it from going back? I think 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:48.600 programs more people like myself, like you speaking up even 0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.319 though that's not your your world but you're still You're 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:55.480 still a great example for a man in in in 0:48:55.840 --> 0:49:00.640 in inspiring. So people just being you know, a mentor 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:04.520 and able to you don't People don't know how impactful 0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:07.520 their voices by just giving it to a kid, even 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:11.120 grown men, right, because I see grown men ask for advice, right, 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:15.200 you know, just because someone is older mentally, they're not mature. 0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.680 You see men that that's that's still children because they 0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:21.280 never got that chance to grow up. They still stuck. 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:23.799 Do you run into it? And what I've run into 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:28.759 sometimes is that sometimes we are too pride for to ask. Absolutely. 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:31.440 I used to be like that, right, I used to 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:33.319 I used to be the one that had it all 0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:37.239 figured out, right. I used to be so reserved. I 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:39.920 mean I never used to even talk to people, right right, 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:44.239 So you know I never had a personality, right right, 0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:46.920 So I just say what's up, you know, and keep 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.960 it moving whatever. And my wife helped me with that. 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.080 She said, men, you gotta start talking to people because 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:55.440 you got this beautiful personality in the house with us 0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:58.480 and the kids and people you comfortable with. But you 0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:01.680 you're gonna be in his box. You're gonna you're gonna 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:04.360 miss the opportunity and making some really good friends and 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:07.600 some really good connections. If you don't talk right because 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.439 these trust issues, you're thinking, you know, the corny ship. 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:13.560 We think that people really laugh at us and play. 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.359 You know, I just did a mean Cameron just did 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:19.440 a tap dance, right, So I ain't know how to 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:21.960 tap dance, but we figured it out and you know, 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:24.080 people was gonna be laughing at it, but we had 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.600 a good time, and that we wasn't at that time. 0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:28.839 I wasn't worrying about people laughing. I would just wanted 0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:30.719 to focus on us having a good time. So how 0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:32.200 long after you got out did it take you to 0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:34.239 get your money straight? Because I read that you had 0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:35.800 to give up one hundred and seventy thousand that you 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:39.600 had earned from the reality show to make restitution. It 0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:44.000 wasn't really restitution right, what it was it was if 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:45.640 you want to get out on bell, well, you could 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:50.120 do two things right. You're given You can even tell 0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.560 us who got some money, or you could give us 0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:56.800 some money. I said I'll give you my money. So 0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:59.359 they wanted you to die or somebody. So those are 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:02.600 two options. You can even tell us who got money, 0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:04.640 or you could give us some money, and I went 0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:08.239 with the option of, well, you know, if if you 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:10.919 if if I get out on bel I'll forfeit any 0:51:10.960 --> 0:51:14.000 money that I make right from TV, whatever the case 0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:16.479 may be, I'll forfeit. But then it give me time 0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:20.800 to uh, to just make these adjustments before I know, 0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:24.160 I'm coming back, right And I had a call for 0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:26.360 my lawyer telling me, you know, you don't have to 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:28.560 come back. I said, no, I'm coming back. You know 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:31.440 what I'm saying. I'm coming back because this is going 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:33.640 to be a short period of my life that should 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:36.640 be all behind me and I want it done with. 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:41.399 So you know, I had a chance to at this time, 0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.239 married my wife. I had a chance to have a daughter, 0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:48.080 h just you know, extend my family. I had a 0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:52.440 chance to make U to fortify the relationship with me 0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:55.279 and my mom's and and and beat it for my 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:59.040 brother and mentally just prepared them for what's to come. 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:02.480 I know you can't prepare for it, but by having 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:05.640 these conversations, in these discussions to let them know, like listen, 0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:08.520 I love you. Had you told who had who, who 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:12.359 had the money, you will have paperwork, right, So if 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:16.759 you tell, like okay, Shannon got baked Shannon running this 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:20.080 and all that. No, you don't need that. No, from 0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:23.800 from what I hear, you don't even need that really right, no, 0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:27.400 to to to start an investigation. You don't need to 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.879 have anything on. You just need to know your name 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:35.000 pretty much. And and that's that's their job. That's not 0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:38.000 your job. You hear, you hear a lot of women, 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:41.879 and I've heard this. I'm ride or die hey up 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:46.560 down side, side, back, front back, I'm a rider, die hey. 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:49.319 We get this hide roller coaster, your boy, I'm your 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.960 woman there with you if we died here? Yeah, and 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:57.000 the ride a dipper? Real right? She she did that? 0:52:57.280 --> 0:53:00.440 Not listen she she You know, the easy to think 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:03.640 about that is in the beginning, I ain't think she 0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:08.440 could do it right because I know how how clingy 0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:13.239 she was. Right, and prior to me having this case, 0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:16.360 I mean, I grew up watching my friends go to 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:18.879 prison and they used to be stressing over a girl, 0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:21.280 and I'd be like, yo, do your time, stop worrying 0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.719 about it. So I vowed to never be dumb, right, 0:53:24.640 --> 0:53:27.239 just because I had that chip on my shoulder and 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:29.800 I had trusted you. So when I when I was 0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:32.520 on my way to prison. I was like, listen, just 0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:35.000 be my friend, right, because I don't want you to 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:38.080 have these I don't want to have these expectations and 0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:40.680 get let down because I've been I've been let down 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:44.080 my whole life. Right. I had expectations, and everyone I 0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:46.880 had expectations let me down and I didn't. I didn't 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:50.000 want this relationship ruined. Did you tell her that? I 0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:52.399 told you that, But did you really mean? I didn't 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:56.160 mean it. I didn't mean I mean it. I wanted 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:58.400 to see if she take the exit, right, Like, like 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:01.560 if he given me a i'ma take it. Sometimes you 0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:03.439 give someone out and see if they take it. Yeah, 0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:05.279 and if they take it, that's what they really want 0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:08.120 to out right. But but but that you give it 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:09.880 to them, right, and she didn't take it that. I 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:12.400 was happy she didn't take it, But I felt like, 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:16.239 as being responsible and being realistic, I had to give 0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:18.760 her out right. Man, I'm looking at me. You handle 0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:20.920 over a lot of two out of the eight one 0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:24.160 hundred and seventy thousand cash and then you're like, hey, 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:28.280 I'm gonna build it. I'm gonna build it right back up, right, Listen, 0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:32.360 I told you it's starting a lover. It's normal to me, 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:36.760 you know, like when you're a hustler, you take losses, 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:38.680 you go right back, you get right back, you get 0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:41.600 right back. It's in you, it ain't on you, you know. 0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:47.400 So my mentality is just just open these gates. I 0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:49.400 figured the rest out. I mean, she was on the 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:52.680 front line when she's a pro chester in humane conditions. 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:58.200 Uh she got pepper sprayed in the process. I mean, ruh, 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.400 you got a real listen. That was crazy because I 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:03.759 asked her like, why are you doing that? Like I 0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:06.200 because I'm in the inside, and I was worried for her, 0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:08.279 and she was like, that could have been you and there, 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:11.080 that could have been you living in them conditions. Right, 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:14.920 So again it hit close to home, right. So you know, 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:19.160 with Yanny being an activist, at first I didn't get 0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:21.440 it because I thought, you know, I'm so used to 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:24.080 fighting for people we know, not fighting for people we 0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:27.919 don't know. But I get it now. I'm just trying 0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:30.359 to figure this. I've been around you a little while 0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:33.919 and you're very soft spoken. You don't say a whole lot. 0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:36.560 I mean you speak when spoken to, but you're not 0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:39.600 a confrontational individual. And a lot of times to be 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:43.839 on reality, it requires you to get out of your 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:46.239 get out of character. Well I did one time with 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:48.080 the gym. I don't know if you missed that, with 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:50.879 the guy and the gym that was taking up her cousin. Yeah, 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:52.560 so that was that was one time, and that was 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:57.239 a valid reason, you know. But my demeanor is what 0:55:57.360 --> 0:56:00.279 it is in real life. Yeah with the camera, right, 0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:04.000 I don't like to argue. I'm not trying to fight nobody, 0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:08.080 and that's just what it is. Well, how do you 0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:10.120 make it work? Because a lot of these shows are 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:13.239 predicated and they get the better reddings when someone gets 0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:15.680 out of character, and you simular with the exception of 0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:18.440 that one time, you stay in character. But I think 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:21.480 they got they got enough people for that, right, right, 0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:25.680 And they got people. That's the thing, you know, that's 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:28.080 that's the thing is. You know, they don't know how 0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:31.560 to control the emotions. You know. I had to control 0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:35.719 my emotions, you know, I played with my life. So 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:39.400 when when these people getting out of character and not 0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:44.120 controlling emotions, it lives and it dies there me, it 0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:47.239 goes a whole nother direction. Right. I don't want that, right, 0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:50.160 so let's not go there. I don't. I do not want. 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:53.560 I don't want no smoke because smoke we can't come 0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:57.360 back from right. I don't want that. You have kids 0:56:57.400 --> 0:56:59.319 from two I don't want to use the BM word, 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:01.560 but you have kids. It's from two different women and 0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:06.680 one of the your kids mom yany cousin beat up 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:09.279 for so? So how how was that? So? So? What 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:13.360 what did you say? Like why y'all, why y'all do this? So? So? 0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:19.160 You know how when you remove the man, the father, 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:24.680 everything good? Chaos? Yeah, you know, it's normal order, some 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:29.120 more structure. So I know once I left, it's gonna 0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:32.240 fall apart, right, and I just I was just hoping 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:34.640 that it didn't. It didn't go too crazy. But as 0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:36.880 soon as I get back, everything back to normal, right. 0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:41.200 You know, we got everybody got a great relationship. Apologies 0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:43.960 was accepted. You know, we like we we had each 0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:47.480 other house cookouts, is everything is is back in order. 0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:52.360 I like the fact that you're very active in your 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:55.560 kid's life, all of your kids. And I read what 0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:58.520 you told one of your one of your kids moms 0:57:58.560 --> 0:57:59.920 that you're not going to turn me into a week 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:04.240 get dad, right. I'm every day I'm here, I'm being 0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:07.760 constant communication with my child and there's nothing you can 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:12.360 do about it. Even though we're not together. We're together. 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:20.600 What because I again, if I, if I couldn't go 0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:23.480 back in history and change my life, I could take 0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:27.120 part in his life and make sure that he doesn't 0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:29.120 he does the right thing. You never want your kids 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:32.120 to experience what you experience, right, so you know, and 0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:37.880 for me, you know, that's my greatest accomplishment. You know, 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:40.320 if I never did nothing right, I did that right right. 0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:44.800 You know, when did you realize obviously yandys stood by you, 0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:47.080 But when did you realize was it that when you 0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:49.240 came out and she was still waiting for you, that 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:54.200 she through the process right? So she never wait? She 0:58:54.480 --> 0:58:58.120 she come visit. She was coming to visit, uh every 0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:01.160 week in the beginning, then be two weeks and then 0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:05.480 she she would fly back, have an event and didn't 0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:07.480 even get no sleep and go straight on the highway 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:10.360 to come visit me, bring the kids. The kids is sleepy, 0:59:10.880 --> 0:59:14.800 the weave is almost off, the makeup. And just to 0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:18.480 sit there from with me for like five six hours, 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:21.440 not nor of sleep, but just to make sure that 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:24.280 we keep our connection and also I keep the connection 0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:27.200 with the kids. Wow, you mentioned that you saw you 0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:31.000 saw her going he was in Dubai and then you 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:34.200 ended up you guys got married in Dubai. Yeah, yeah, 0:59:35.480 --> 0:59:39.480 what was that? What was that moment? Like when she said, 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:42.400 let's have a destination wedding. The first thing I said, 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:45.160 It's gonna be expensive. Yeah, right, So I'm like, oh 0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:50.560 my god, destination. You mean we had like about sixty 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:54.680 seventy people come. So I'm thinking, like, well, who's paying 0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:59.240 for all this? Right? Right? Because me, I'm very calculated 0:59:59.280 --> 1:00:02.120 when it comes to spending my money now, right, so 1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:04.760 you know I'm not in the streets no more. So 1:00:04.920 --> 1:00:07.920 I'm very calculated. So I'm thinking, like, you know, with Yandy, 1:00:08.440 --> 1:00:11.000 you know, she she she don't give me no breaks. 1:00:11.480 --> 1:00:14.720 The day that I was paying bills at some point 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:18.400 from prison, right, I'm not a single mother. You know 1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:21.400 you're gonna help me. And then the day I got out, 1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:25.080 I think she gave me like three or four days off, 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:26.920 and then I think the first was coming up and 1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:29.400 she was like, because yeah, I got the first yep. 1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:33.480 I got out on the twenty ninth January twenty ninth. 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:37.480 By the first of February, probably two or three days. 1:00:37.800 --> 1:00:41.480 She's like, hey, let's talk about these bills. I'm like, what, 1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:44.080 you didn't give me a chance, Like I didn't even 1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:47.360 get the jill food out my system yet, I got 1:00:47.360 --> 1:00:49.840 I still got jill food in my in my stomach. 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:54.000 Let me shoot down, like, come on, like like my 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:56.800 my back still hurt from se let me get a 1:00:56.800 --> 1:01:02.760 little comfortable, like, and also, what's my plan? Right? Right? 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:07.040 I gotta have a plan. My plan was in the order, right, so, 1:01:07.800 --> 1:01:10.880 and I know sometimes it takes money to make money, 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:13.720 So let me figure out how I'm gonna flip this 1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:17.000 before you just take it, all right, And she was like, 1:01:17.360 --> 1:01:21.160 you'll figure it out. Nobody gives me a break. You listen, 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:24.400 you've been figuring out. You ain't gonna never stop figuring out, right. 1:01:24.600 --> 1:01:29.920 So that's that's her mentality. Your first tattoo for your 1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:34.240 wife name person only tattoo? What made you decide to 1:01:34.280 --> 1:01:38.440 get that? Because at that point, right, I never believed 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:43.760 in getting tattoos. I don't follow trends. You know, something 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:45.520 you put on you, it's going to be with you 1:01:45.640 --> 1:01:49.000 today you die, right, And I think at that point, 1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:53.400 I thought, I mean, this woman like relationship is slid, right, 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:57.680 even even if we go separate ways. One day when 1:01:57.720 --> 1:02:00.280 I loved her, I loved her, right, and she means 1:02:00.360 --> 1:02:04.560 something to me. And so you know, if I if I, 1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:07.320 if I love enough to marry her, then I love 1:02:07.480 --> 1:02:09.880 enough to get a tattoo. Right, So that that was 1:02:09.920 --> 1:02:13.280 the decision. I mean you no, I'm I'm They hurt, 1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:17.760 They hurt. They hurt the hurt worst getting stabbed. I 1:02:17.800 --> 1:02:20.000 got stabbed, didn't even feel get I got shot them. 1:02:20.120 --> 1:02:26.640 Tattoos hurt. Many don't hurt. Man, they don't hurt. To listen, yeah, 1:02:26.720 --> 1:02:29.760 Tim get stabbed up a few times and shot didn't 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:32.880 do the comparison. You mentioned that you left New York 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:36.520 and moved to Atlanta. Right, you wanted a fresh start, right, 1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:38.800 you know what it is. I wanted. I want the 1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:44.440 opportunity to try to focus on my family. Right. I 1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:47.760 didn't want no distractions. I want to change my environment 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:52.600 and just have that. Right. I want to work in family. 1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:56.120 I didn't want no hanging out. You know, I can't 1:02:56.160 --> 1:02:58.120 to Atlanta. I ain't hang out. I still don't hang out. 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:01.800 So you know it's is work and family and and 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:05.160 and I've been had a place down there since two 1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:08.320 thousand and three. So I always knew, like you know, 1:03:08.400 --> 1:03:12.600 we have Harlem is is like the Mecca, but Atlanta 1:03:12.720 --> 1:03:16.360 is like Black Hollywood. Yeah right, so, and the thing 1:03:16.520 --> 1:03:19.080 the thing I love about Atlanta is I've never seen 1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:21.880 so many black entrepreneurs in my life, right, and I 1:03:22.000 --> 1:03:24.919 never you know, I lived in Jersey and we see 1:03:25.000 --> 1:03:26.959 a lot of white people who need these big homes. 1:03:27.040 --> 1:03:29.160 But in Atlanta, we see all black people who need 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:31.080 these big homes. And now that's something good for the 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:34.200 kids to see, you know, and that that that that 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:36.800 gives them hope, is inspiring and everything. So I said, 1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:39.200 that's what I'm going. Glad you made that decision to 1:03:39.320 --> 1:03:45.560 relocate to Atlanta. Yeah, listen, were thriving right now. Should 1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:51.240 actually today are closed on two properties they uh single 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:55.800 multi million dollar builts that I'm doing right in Buckhead. 1:03:56.880 --> 1:03:59.400 I own a whole block in Atlanta. So my real 1:03:59.520 --> 1:04:03.400 estate is is booming because Atlanta so many people moving 1:04:03.400 --> 1:04:07.320 down and making it crazy and there's not enough inventory, right, 1:04:07.400 --> 1:04:10.080 So you can sit and watch or you can participate 1:04:10.520 --> 1:04:13.400 and develop. And so we just I just started developing. 1:04:14.520 --> 1:04:18.600 You've got real estate restaurant, which you didn't take me 1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:20.320 to last time. I was home. I don't know why 1:04:20.360 --> 1:04:22.240 you didn't. I don't want people to bother you with 1:04:22.280 --> 1:04:27.320 the pictures. So one day, when when it's when it's chill, 1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:29.760 we're gonna go over and not making something to hold 1:04:29.760 --> 1:04:33.920 that door because the women in there, man, they get me, 1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:39.560 so I can imagine I'm gonna get you. So what's 1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:43.439 the next from NDCs? Uh? Next? I got a first 1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:47.520 look deal with with Viscom to produce TV show. I 1:04:47.640 --> 1:04:51.640 started already thinking about what's my life after? Because eventually 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:54.200 love and hip hop got to be over? Right, So 1:04:54.440 --> 1:04:57.760 I started thinking about how far can I go and entertainment? 1:04:58.400 --> 1:05:03.720 And I see the real money isn't isn't in casting 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:06.880 put getting a great cast. You can have any show, 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:10.280 but the cast that's make the show successful, right right. 1:05:10.840 --> 1:05:15.080 So I'm outside and with with people that I see 1:05:15.160 --> 1:05:19.320 that potentially could be great cast. So that's the direction 1:05:19.400 --> 1:05:22.240 where I want to go when that door closed. But 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:24.800 my main thing is and I just think it's sweet. 1:05:24.880 --> 1:05:27.760 It's real estate. Ain't that Realatant? Real estate? Really? Ain't 1:05:27.800 --> 1:05:31.680 nothing realatant real estate? You know? I think people always 1:05:31.720 --> 1:05:34.280 gonna need somewhere to live, right, and then when that 1:05:34.360 --> 1:05:37.480 person dies, someone else moving the house, right, So you 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:41.200 know the way the market is right now, you just 1:05:41.280 --> 1:05:45.680 gotta capitalize, right, You just gotta network capitalized, find find 1:05:45.760 --> 1:05:51.240 your way and believe in yourself and and bed on yourself. Right, Bro, 1:05:51.400 --> 1:05:54.480 thanks for stopping by. I mean your story from where 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:57.920 you came, from your upbringing, trial, the tribulations that you 1:05:58.000 --> 1:06:00.240 went through in the middle to where you came. I'm 1:06:00.240 --> 1:06:03.000 gonna the other side. It's seeming lit with flying colors, 1:06:03.080 --> 1:06:04.880 but we know there was a lot of hardship in 1:06:04.960 --> 1:06:07.120 getting to where you are now. And you look at 1:06:07.160 --> 1:06:09.040 what you've been able to do. You have a very 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:13.120 loving family, you have a thriving business, and it's still 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:17.280 onward and upwards. So I appreciate your story. Congrats on everything, bro, Yeah, 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:19.040 I appreciate it. I'll see you divor rope all right. 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:24.320 All my life and grinding all my life sacrifice, hustle 1:06:24.400 --> 1:06:28.160 back price, wanna slice? Got the bronder dice to swap 1:06:28.400 --> 1:06:31.200 all my life? I've been grinding all my life, all 1:06:31.240 --> 1:06:35.800 my life, the grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle back Prices, 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:39.200 want a slice? Got the broner dice to swap all 1:06:39.280 --> 1:06:41.040 my life? I've been grinding in all my life,