Speaker 1: This is gonna sound horrible, but I put my mom
Speaker 1: up for clattering what I was getting a bunch of keys.
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, you guys, show me where
Speaker 1: your mom lived back and she know she had no idea, right,
Speaker 1: And I took him and I never even told him
Speaker 1: about that. All my life and grinding all my life,
Speaker 1: sack fights, hustle back price. One slice got the broner
Speaker 1: dice to swapp all my life. I've been grinding all
Speaker 1: my life, all my life, then grinding all my life,
Speaker 1: sack of fights, hustle back price. One slice got the
Speaker 1: bron dice to swap all my life. I've been grinding
Speaker 1: in all my life. Hello, welcome to another edition of
Speaker 1: Club Sha Shake. I am your whole shod in sharp.
Speaker 1: I'm also the propriud of Club Sha Shake, and the
Speaker 1: guy that's stopping by for a drinking conversation today is
Speaker 1: a music manager, producer, real estate developer, actor, entrepreneur, father, husband,
Speaker 1: reality TV star men DC's Harry Run. Thank you for
Speaker 1: talking about the club. How you been this man? Taking
Speaker 1: it easy? Man, a blessing. Thank you for having me
Speaker 1: nah man, thankful coming on. You know every time we
Speaker 1: couple the guys, come on, we have toast. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: do it. I appreciate it time much. Whoof nice and smooth?
Speaker 1: So bro taking it easy man, one day at a time. Noah,
Speaker 1: you do more than to take it easy from Harlem.
Speaker 1: Everybody says they got the best, Bro Harlem say they're
Speaker 1: the best, Brooklyn say they're the best. Y'aller queens, Uh,
Speaker 1: what's the best? Brom? I gotta say, hallm right? Because
Speaker 1: harm got his own culture. We trend setters. I know
Speaker 1: you heard of dab Yes, so there you go like that.
Speaker 1: That is our tradition. Dabadan is one of many. He's
Speaker 1: an icon, but he's one of many styles that come
Speaker 1: out of Harlem. And you know he's an innovator and
Speaker 1: he pushed the culture forward. But it's so many, so
Speaker 1: many styles in hallm right. That's what I mean. You know,
Speaker 1: you guys are known for hustlers, even the flashing, you know,
Speaker 1: the big cars and you know, you know the big
Speaker 1: halfs back in the fifties and sixty. The third makes
Speaker 1: is that is that what Harlem is? When you when
Speaker 1: people think of Harlem, is that what they think of
Speaker 1: So Harlem, you know we grew up looking up to
Speaker 1: people like Nicky Bonds. Yeah, uh God Fisher, the rich porters,
Speaker 1: and you know you hear the stories, so you know
Speaker 1: we we we breede hustlers, rubber burrows. They got other
Speaker 1: things going on, but it's it's it's really hustlers out
Speaker 1: of Hallm. But okay, so I'm looking at the guys
Speaker 1: p Diddy, Tupac, sat Rocket, Cameron Mays, Keith Sweat, Jim Jones, Dames, Dad, Douggie, Press,
Speaker 1: Eddy Riley, Julia Santana. If I okay, you gotta have
Speaker 1: a Mount Rushmore. You gotta have four people of the
Speaker 1: guys that I just named, who's on your Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1: I will go puff. I will go with Cameron, I
Speaker 1: will go with Mace, Okay, and I will go with
Speaker 1: I will go with uh Juwel santannad Man. Look, man,
Speaker 1: how you leave from Hallm. Well he lived there for
Speaker 1: a little right, So do we say he from there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well I ain't see. You know, I never heard him
Speaker 1: red Hollm, right, So if I hear West Coast, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so when I if I heard him red Hollm, then
Speaker 1: then he would have been number one. So when you
Speaker 1: when everybody obviously did it, that's how I put him
Speaker 1: number one. Yeah, yeah, So did you know did he No? No,
Speaker 1: I never, I don't. I don't know him. So what
Speaker 1: what if? What if did he done for the borough
Speaker 1: of hall the people of Harlem, because we see him
Speaker 1: out so much, and like you said, he's always ripping
Speaker 1: his hood. From what I see growing up, he gave
Speaker 1: a lot of people jobs. You know, he saved Mace.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that have worked for
Speaker 1: him that I've seen in the neighborhood. Did not see him,
Speaker 1: but see him with puff and I always know how
Speaker 1: to know give people five because I grew up with him. Right,
Speaker 1: but he is he is fire the community. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, just just with style, grace in his presence,
Speaker 1: you know, just seeing him make it out of Haller
Speaker 1: and make us feel gave us hope, make us feel
Speaker 1: like we can make it. But you know, but when
Speaker 1: I look at it, you look at the record executive,
Speaker 1: you got him and you got Dame Dash. How familiar
Speaker 1: are you with d No, I meant Dame Dash and
Speaker 1: you know I messed up because I definitely meant to
Speaker 1: put him on my list. Okay, because he's a hustler, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: he definitely. Yeah. He constantly reminds you that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he he might be number one, really right. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I see number one because he really, really,
Speaker 1: really for the streets. He's really for harm. He goes
Speaker 1: back in the community and you know, help people from
Speaker 1: coming home from jail, prison, getting him getting a life
Speaker 1: back together, filming movies, putting them in the movies. I
Speaker 1: see a huge impact with Dame Dash then I do
Speaker 1: with you know, with that list. A lot of people
Speaker 1: on that list you mentioned at Rocky's on the list,
Speaker 1: obviously being from Harlem, but not his big exclaimed the
Speaker 1: thing he wife Rihanna. I mean, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't nobody top that one. That's a lot of
Speaker 1: right there. So we I mean, you see he was
Speaker 1: on the cover with I mean, obviously they're about to
Speaker 1: bring Welcome to the Second Child. He's on the cover
Speaker 1: of Vogue, I mean, and it's just hard I mean
Speaker 1: because they're talking about the way he was dressed and
Speaker 1: how you know, you see a lot of guys dressing
Speaker 1: now you see them in they were skirts, So what
Speaker 1: I mean kill, I guess it's a killed or whatever
Speaker 1: they wear, So I think a sap and for a
Speaker 1: sap rocket. They've all got like a village style. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not harm. You don't really see that in Hollom.
Speaker 1: You see that like in Soho. Okay, so you know
Speaker 1: they they they're different, you know. So they embraced it.
Speaker 1: I accept it, you know, but they but they Hollom
Speaker 1: on their back. So I'm moving for them. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at you. You raised them a single parent household in Harlem?
Speaker 1: What was that life like for you? Did you? And
Speaker 1: we don't get into, you know, some of the some
Speaker 1: of the things that you got into, so use raised
Speaker 1: single parent household? Would you have been different if both
Speaker 1: parents were in the same Yeah? Absolutely, you know what.
Speaker 1: I say that all the time. I'll just be I
Speaker 1: always ask myself that what how would I have turned
Speaker 1: out if I had a father figure and my mom there? Right,
Speaker 1: but let alone a male figure as as an example,
Speaker 1: even yeah, a positive example, even if he's not a
Speaker 1: father figure, just an example of what a man the
Speaker 1: right thing to do. So I never had that. You know,
Speaker 1: I grew up in the eighties and the projects, and
Speaker 1: and you know that when I grew up, you know,
Speaker 1: crack was really really taking over Holom drugs was taking
Speaker 1: over Holom, so a lot of my friends, including myself.
Speaker 1: You know, our parents felt victim, right, so we we
Speaker 1: we kind of had to figure it out, right, you know.
Speaker 1: And and back then, you know, Grandma had chuck kids
Speaker 1: and had so many grandkids. She couldn't do every she
Speaker 1: couldn't do be there for everyone. So you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: to just find their own way. And I was one
Speaker 1: of the kids that had to find my own way.
Speaker 1: So when you were growing up, what did man, DC's
Speaker 1: what did you want to become? What did you want
Speaker 1: to be in life? When you got older, you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're eleven, twelve, thirteen, and you're like, man, what I
Speaker 1: want to be a professional athlete. I want to be there.
Speaker 1: So I want to be at the doctor. Know i't
Speaker 1: I ain't get a chance to really to think that far, right,
Speaker 1: because when I when I was six, I remember my aunt,
Speaker 1: you know, one of my aunt boyfriends whatever U introduced
Speaker 1: me to drugs And you're like, wow, six year old, yeah,
Speaker 1: a six year old where you know, you put them
Speaker 1: on a block and you say here, surety, hold this pack,
Speaker 1: and every time they run out they get the pack.
Speaker 1: You I don't know what I'm doing right, But later
Speaker 1: on I come to find out what I was doing
Speaker 1: so and that became normal to me, right, and then
Speaker 1: it just progressed and it got it got more involved
Speaker 1: and more involved to hey, listen, this is how eating
Speaker 1: this hot feet my family. Normally, a male, a dominant
Speaker 1: figure in your life, grooms you to become. My brother
Speaker 1: was grooming me because I saw him. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a professional athlete. Or a father grooms a son
Speaker 1: to become a doctor or a lawyer, or mother grooms
Speaker 1: her son to be you know, we see Lebron how
Speaker 1: he's grooming brine to be followed his footsteps. You had
Speaker 1: an uncle that was grooming you. You got hustles grooming
Speaker 1: kids to be hustlers, right right, I mean they're not
Speaker 1: grooming for nothing else. So they telling you don't go
Speaker 1: to school, that shit don't pay. That's whack, right, right.
Speaker 1: So then you have your mom telling you go to school,
Speaker 1: go to school, go to school. But then when your
Speaker 1: mom full victim in the street, your protector's gone, right,
Speaker 1: so it's no one over you to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: go to school. So you know that's that's where it becomes.
Speaker 1: So do you feel like you always do you feel
Speaker 1: like you were always searching for that male, for that
Speaker 1: role model, not necessarily a father, but a but a figure,
Speaker 1: someone that was positive that you could look up into.
Speaker 1: It says, Okay, that's what I want to be, like
Speaker 1: I think. I think for me, I stopped looking a
Speaker 1: long time ago for in a person that I looked
Speaker 1: to be that role model. I look for myself to
Speaker 1: be that to my kids, Right, so I make sure
Speaker 1: they never be me when I was that kid looking
Speaker 1: for that role model. I'm their role model, right, I'm
Speaker 1: involved in their life. Did you play sports growing up?
Speaker 1: I never got a chance, right, I never got a
Speaker 1: chance to play sports. I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: I was being I was too much worned about things
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be learned about. Right, So, how does how
Speaker 1: do we get someone like a kid that's coming up
Speaker 1: in your situation living in a similar situation? How do
Speaker 1: we get them? And says, you know what, I understand,
Speaker 1: this is the environment that I'm in. But there is
Speaker 1: a better way out. How do we find people? How
Speaker 1: do we pair them with mentors and role models to
Speaker 1: get them out of that thought process that this is
Speaker 1: the only way out. See now, I think what's helping
Speaker 1: the kids now is the Internet, okay, because they see
Speaker 1: success in different forms. Right when I was growing up,
Speaker 1: we only seen success in either you made it to
Speaker 1: the NBA, you played basketball, or you as a hustler.
Speaker 1: The people that was the entertainments, we couldn't touch them,
Speaker 1: right we you know, but the hustlers we can touch.
Speaker 1: We saw them, We saw them, We up in personal
Speaker 1: with them. Right there was like a hood superstars. So
Speaker 1: now with the with the internet being the way it is, kids,
Speaker 1: you know, we're seeing successful kids on YouTube. We TikTok comedians,
Speaker 1: people are making theirselfs and building theirselves so that that's
Speaker 1: inspiring a lot of kids to do something different. And
Speaker 1: I read a post the other day and said TikTokers
Speaker 1: make more than drug dealers. Wow, you know, and that
Speaker 1: that was powerful right there, because I had to think
Speaker 1: about it. And I know, you know, my son dropped
Speaker 1: a YouTube video and here and make five to ten grain, right,
Speaker 1: so just by just showing his everyday life, right so
Speaker 1: I can and he don't even go hard, So I
Speaker 1: can imagine the kids that's invested in going hard, you know,
Speaker 1: they just doing something that's definitely let dangerous. Right, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you're sleeping bed at night. I take that. So you
Speaker 1: ended up catching a beard five year beard? What what
Speaker 1: do you what? What? What do you do to stretch for?
Speaker 1: I had, I had a conspiracy to move uh uh
Speaker 1: kilos from New York to Rochester. And what happened in
Speaker 1: that case is usually when you're in the fast somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody get locked up in whatever state they are, and
Speaker 1: they get presented a deal. Listen, tell us who got money.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you did business with them. You
Speaker 1: just gotta tell us, point us in the direction with
Speaker 1: the money at and we enlighten your sentence. And I
Speaker 1: was pointed at. You know, I had. I had a
Speaker 1: long run and sometimes when you know you're wrong, you
Speaker 1: don't have to fight, even though that's not my situation.
Speaker 1: But I got away with this right here. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to take the plea and and take that on
Speaker 1: the chin and get back to my life. So you
Speaker 1: you would you would choppo before choppol, No, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say that. I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't like that,
Speaker 1: not like but I was moving some weight for some
Speaker 1: well since a kid. But but I wasn't I wasn't chop,
Speaker 1: but I got some I got some crazy stories about
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. I remember one time I was dealing
Speaker 1: with a connect and at this sound this is gonna
Speaker 1: sound horrible, but I put my mom up for collateral. What. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was getting a bunch of I was, I was
Speaker 1: getting a bunch of keys. And it was like, well,
Speaker 1: you guys, show me where your mom lived at, because
Speaker 1: if you you run off on this, you can't afford
Speaker 1: you to run off right. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: ain't had no tinches in running off right. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I'll show you and I and I took him,
Speaker 1: and she know, she had no idea, right, and I
Speaker 1: took him. So if that normal, I think. I think
Speaker 1: at that point I had good in my heart to
Speaker 1: do good business right, So I didn't look. I didn't
Speaker 1: think that I put my mom. I really put my
Speaker 1: mom right, and you know, and I never even told
Speaker 1: nobody that, right, So that was that was when I
Speaker 1: look back at the decisions I made now, I was like, godly,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm still here with that. One of
Speaker 1: the worst decisions that you did, that you put your
Speaker 1: mom up. That's one of them. That's one of them.
Speaker 1: That's one of them. You are, man, So did it
Speaker 1: ever dawn on you? Like, man, what if I get caught?
Speaker 1: What if I get killed? If so? What happened when
Speaker 1: that thought process happened? Right, I didn't have any kids.
Speaker 1: I ain't have I ain't have nothing to live for, right, right,
Speaker 1: I only had me. I had me my whole life.
Speaker 1: That that changed the moment I had my son because
Speaker 1: I said, well, if something happened to me, who has him? Right,
Speaker 1: He's going to be a lost child. Right, So if
Speaker 1: I if I want to change that narrative, then I
Speaker 1: got to start figuring out something different because I want
Speaker 1: to beat there for him, you know, and that's important
Speaker 1: to me. That's a more important money, that's more important
Speaker 1: than then that's that's number one in my life. And
Speaker 1: he changed that thought process and the crazy stuff I
Speaker 1: used to do. I started scaling back, scaling back, scaling back,
Speaker 1: and it was it was a time where I would
Speaker 1: be like, I want to do this some more, right,
Speaker 1: but I gotta find something to do. And the moment
Speaker 1: I started thinking of hustles, other hustles. First thing came
Speaker 1: on my mind is real estate, you know, because that's
Speaker 1: where most hustles go right, because it's were taken nothing
Speaker 1: and turn into something right, and you know, so that's
Speaker 1: that's what I was heading. So when you were when
Speaker 1: you were hustling, did you put the money that you
Speaker 1: were making into a legitimate business because a lot of
Speaker 1: times that's what they try to do. They try to
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta clean the money up. You gotta
Speaker 1: have something to show when you're getting all this income from.
Speaker 1: We tried, right, but you gotta understand, we didn't. We
Speaker 1: didn't really know. I didn't really know the structure. You know,
Speaker 1: nobody teaches finance structure. We you know, it's so late
Speaker 1: in the game. We learned about LLC's and and trust
Speaker 1: or even though how to hide the money. Most of
Speaker 1: the money was like shoot people house, yeah, shoe boxes
Speaker 1: and then you know them people start tapping you. So
Speaker 1: you go to home depot, buy a bunch of safes
Speaker 1: and just put them in people how that you have
Speaker 1: no connections with and hoping that you know, if they
Speaker 1: come nobody go over there. Right, oh man? So what
Speaker 1: was what was the most money that you made in
Speaker 1: a deal? In a deal profit see profit in one day?
Speaker 1: I think probably like a hundred grand profit one day
Speaker 1: and he was like, okay, just east money. It was
Speaker 1: it was it was looking forward to the next day. So, right,
Speaker 1: so you make it and you don't get a chance
Speaker 1: to celebrate, you're just happy you didn't get caught. So
Speaker 1: you just you just worrying about, Okay, what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna do tomorrow. So when you make let's
Speaker 1: just say you made you made a hundred grand profit.
Speaker 1: Did you think, man, I'm gonna go buy this. Let
Speaker 1: me let me go celebrate that. I mean, did you
Speaker 1: buy anything with it? Did you get a chance to
Speaker 1: enjoy any of it? Yeah? I got a chance something.
Speaker 1: I brought a lot of cars, I took care on
Speaker 1: people's we party, we traveled. We uh we we live
Speaker 1: life as to what we thought was living life right right,
Speaker 1: you know, I look back in it now it ain't
Speaker 1: shit right, But back then, coming from the projects, most
Speaker 1: most people in the projects don't get a chance that
Speaker 1: they never been on. It's some people I took on
Speaker 1: the plane for the first time, grown in right. So
Speaker 1: to be able to take fifteen people on the plane
Speaker 1: and say let's go to Miami for the weekend and
Speaker 1: put them all in rooms and have fun and do things.
Speaker 1: It was like little kids with money. So you know
Speaker 1: that we call that at that time living life. Right,
Speaker 1: did you ever did did you ever look over your shoulder?
Speaker 1: When did you find yourself constantly peek get out the window? Yeah? Listen,
Speaker 1: I had home invasions. I had a tempt kidnaps. I
Speaker 1: had I had been through like so much that that
Speaker 1: I was paranoid. Right. I had correction officers dress up
Speaker 1: like cops and and act like they was. They were
Speaker 1: serving the warrant. Meanwhile they they I seen them stuffing
Speaker 1: bags and taking the money out the bags and stuff,
Speaker 1: and then they boutiful vest and I remember my brother
Speaker 1: said they ain't cops, say robbin us. So you know,
Speaker 1: in in that instance, you know, just trust trust issues.
Speaker 1: I didn't trust no one, right, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: know like I have friends, you know, uh, watching friends
Speaker 1: kill friends, watching girls set guys up. You know it
Speaker 1: was it was a movie, a real movie. So how
Speaker 1: you trust issues? Now? You still have trust issues? So
Speaker 1: I still have them, but they're not as worse as
Speaker 1: it used to be because I'm not in that lifestyle,
Speaker 1: no know. So it's like, if you want to stick
Speaker 1: me up, go to the bank and you know, just
Speaker 1: get them a letter and see how far that gets you.
Speaker 1: But the trust issues I have now is just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm still, you know, doing okay for myself. So when
Speaker 1: you're doing okay, everybody's you experience anybody saying they love you,
Speaker 1: want to be around, call your phone, when help, when this,
Speaker 1: want that? And if you got a good heart, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm help someone, right, you know, but sometimes
Speaker 1: it's not always good. You gotta be careful who you help. Right.
Speaker 1: Do you ever worry about your pass anybody from your
Speaker 1: past running down on you? Do you think about that
Speaker 1: or are you so far removed from that? I'm so
Speaker 1: far removed from that. But I feel, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: you know, I did right by people. If I did wrong,
Speaker 1: it's because you caused me to do wrong. Right force
Speaker 1: my hand. You know, you fucked up and you did
Speaker 1: some ship right and you got to eat that right.
Speaker 1: But but I never I'm like, I'm not a Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ain't the troublemaker. I like to get money, have fun.
Speaker 1: At that time, you know, you know I was with
Speaker 1: the with the hip hop you know, at that time
Speaker 1: they said money cars closing holes. All the nigga knows
Speaker 1: that was our model, right, So the beefing and all that, Now,
Speaker 1: I had some people for that, if you want that,
Speaker 1: But I try to stay away from that because I
Speaker 1: always knew that once you start mixing the murders in
Speaker 1: the pheas ain't gonna let you get. But so much money,
Speaker 1: they they gotta come right, They're not gonna They're not
Speaker 1: gonna do that. So what what is it about that lifestyle,
Speaker 1: that culture that seems to be embraced so much by
Speaker 1: us that with ever since the movie scar Yeah, hip hop,
Speaker 1: But I'm saying ever since like you mentioned Nicky Barns
Speaker 1: and you you mentioned U Frank Lucas, Yeah, Frank Lucas
Speaker 1: and within eighty three with Scarface, k everybody had to
Speaker 1: post that. Everybody watching that movie and you get chopped on,
Speaker 1: and you get, you get Noriega, and you get you know.
Speaker 1: I think I think people are intrigued by the people
Speaker 1: the underdog, right, the people that come from nothing, from poverties,
Speaker 1: from just the worst circumstances as as you can think of.
Speaker 1: And once you see them, uh take nothing and turn
Speaker 1: into something and get that level of successful, they become
Speaker 1: a hero. Right, right. So it's just like people go
Speaker 1: to Africa, still gold and diamonds. You know, you're still
Speaker 1: a little they call you a thief, you're still a
Speaker 1: lot they call your king. Right, So it's the same,
Speaker 1: it's the same concept. We just we're just not talking
Speaker 1: diamonds and gold, right you know. Okay, I look at
Speaker 1: Jay and Jay had a very similar and you've been
Speaker 1: you know, jay Z very well and he started in
Speaker 1: that lifestyle and look what he became. Did did you
Speaker 1: think that, like, you know what, put that behind me
Speaker 1: and you can become what you're becoming. Absolutely, I've seen
Speaker 1: the direction with hip hop was taking us here, and
Speaker 1: I've seen an outlet for all the guys that was
Speaker 1: transitioning from the streets, finding talent in the in the hood,
Speaker 1: and pushing the talent in the music business. So once
Speaker 1: I'm able to identify that, now this is a model,
Speaker 1: I see, I'm going that same way because you sleep better,
Speaker 1: get to take care of your family, and you live
Speaker 1: a better lifestyle without you know, looking over your shoulder,
Speaker 1: and you know you don't have to do that no more.
Speaker 1: So I'm inspired. Right, what do you think about shows
Speaker 1: like BMF and Snowfall? And power. See, I got mixed
Speaker 1: feelings about that, right, because my son he loves snowfall.
Speaker 1: He you know, he's he's an actor now, right, he
Speaker 1: go to all my kids go to acting school. And
Speaker 1: he just got he you know, he just got signed
Speaker 1: his big contract with his agent, with a top agent,
Speaker 1: so you know, he he he want to play that role,
Speaker 1: right and not? And and I look at that role,
Speaker 1: and I look at that show, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I've been through all I've been through so much of
Speaker 1: that ship, right that it's not It's sad right that
Speaker 1: that a young kid have to go through that, right,
Speaker 1: because that shouldn't be our life, right and and and
Speaker 1: and you know, you get these suburb kids that that
Speaker 1: you know, they're excited by that lifestyle, and I say,
Speaker 1: you don't want that, right, That's not something you want,
Speaker 1: right you when you when you look at it, it's
Speaker 1: like suburbs. I mean a lot of times the hood
Speaker 1: want to be in the suburb of the suburb want
Speaker 1: to go back to the hood and live a life.
Speaker 1: So how about they're just like rapp us want to
Speaker 1: be rappers, and trappers want to be rappers. So they
Speaker 1: want to they want to reverse because the rappers they're talking,
Speaker 1: some of them, not all of them, talk about a
Speaker 1: lifestyle they didn't never live, right, right, And then the
Speaker 1: real trappers don't want to live that lifestyle, so they say, like,
Speaker 1: you see how easy you make them. I wish let's
Speaker 1: trade places, right. You think it's that easy, Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: trade places. Right. But the entertainment value and the and
Speaker 1: I get it because it's for entertainment and I'm not
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not looking like I said, Snowfall is
Speaker 1: probably my favorite show. It's probably mine. It's probably really
Speaker 1: the only show that I watch on television. But there's
Speaker 1: an entertainment value of it. But to get the authenticity
Speaker 1: downpat they had to go and research and do some
Speaker 1: things with some people that says, Okay, this is how
Speaker 1: you do it, this is the lingo that you use,
Speaker 1: and this is what you do right absolutely, because you
Speaker 1: you have to be on ground level to understand, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm of course there's some secrets that you can't tell
Speaker 1: because they still working today, right, And you don't want
Speaker 1: to blow people's spot up, you know, because this is
Speaker 1: how they speed their family. But they had to go
Speaker 1: deep down to ground level and touch the hood and
Speaker 1: get with I heard the stories based off Rick Ross, right,
Speaker 1: I got a chance to meet him too, so that
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool because I what was cool is
Speaker 1: I heard his story right, and I see it on TV.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm like, all right, if your job,
Speaker 1: if you could give up any advice, if you could
Speaker 1: see if job Morant was sitting right here, and you
Speaker 1: could give him any piece of advice, or you could
Speaker 1: have a conversation with him, what was some of the
Speaker 1: advice that you would share with him, Like, I would
Speaker 1: tell him, like most of the people were in the
Speaker 1: position here is right now, he got a chance to
Speaker 1: set his family up for generations to come, not just him,
Speaker 1: not just the next generation, his kids, kids, kids, right,
Speaker 1: I would tell him, you know, just being a tough
Speaker 1: guy on pay, you know, and having a gun. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I used to tell people, you know, don't carry a
Speaker 1: gun because it might force you somebody might force you
Speaker 1: to shoot him. Because you're not gonna let nobody beat
Speaker 1: you up with a gun on you, right, You're not
Speaker 1: gonna be knocked out on the floor. You got this
Speaker 1: one yet, You got you got that, eat that that
Speaker 1: you know how you get that? Now It's like I
Speaker 1: wish you would. Right, you know, you're a different person.
Speaker 1: I've been that person, right, I'm I was a different
Speaker 1: person when I had a gun on me, and to
Speaker 1: the point where you know, I seen myself getting an
Speaker 1: unnecessary ship that I would avoid it if I didn't
Speaker 1: have it, right, So I didn't really like guns normally.
Speaker 1: I mean normally, if you were worth two hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna try to hustle or you're not gonna
Speaker 1: try to present yourself in that in that lifestyle. But
Speaker 1: and that's why I think that's the thing where people
Speaker 1: look at me, like, job, bro, you got a chance
Speaker 1: to do something you like you said generation, you're talking
Speaker 1: about five generations with account of money that he's he's
Speaker 1: in line to get overs. I've seen the documentary. He
Speaker 1: had his father in his life. Yeah, he had his
Speaker 1: mother in his life. So now when I started to
Speaker 1: see things like this, I'm questioned, like what a at
Speaker 1: you know, not to say they're not in his life, right,
Speaker 1: But I know when when when I started seeing my
Speaker 1: son act up, I'm coming right, I'm what's what the
Speaker 1: what's going on? Right? Like talk to me. But here's
Speaker 1: the difference, and this is what I tell people. It's
Speaker 1: like when the roles flip. When like when I was
Speaker 1: combing up my grandfather and my grandmother said, I pay
Speaker 1: the bills, you listen to me. But what happens when
Speaker 1: the child starts paying the bills? Who listens to who? Now?
Speaker 1: Where you live on the golf course, that's me. That
Speaker 1: nice card that you drive, that's me. Those first class
Speaker 1: seats and those those court side seats, that's me. So
Speaker 1: can you talk to that child the same way and
Speaker 1: he listens if the role because he's now in a
Speaker 1: parent role, he's doing all the things that you normally
Speaker 1: did for him. Right, So with me personally, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: I love my son beyond money. My son can't pay
Speaker 1: me to be submissive to him, to watch him crash
Speaker 1: out right, Okay, So so I can't do nothing with
Speaker 1: the money without him here, I mean, if I need
Speaker 1: him here so we can enjoy it. Right, So I
Speaker 1: don't think that ever happened with me? Right? So you
Speaker 1: were shot twice, stabbed thirteen times right as you're lying there,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Is your life like literally flashing before you? Guys, Like, man,
Speaker 1: am I gonna make it? But some one time I
Speaker 1: was One time I got stabbed. I didn't know I
Speaker 1: was actually stabbed because I was too busy my gelman
Speaker 1: and you're fighting and then you're like, oh snap, what's
Speaker 1: what's my shirts sticking to me? And then you know,
Speaker 1: my back sticking And then then it's like then when
Speaker 1: you start seeing blood, then it's like your mind like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm getting tired now. Right then, maybe if I didn't
Speaker 1: see it then, but it happens, you know, it happens.
Speaker 1: And when when when something like that happens, you just
Speaker 1: gotta thank god you still here. Did you know you
Speaker 1: had gotten shot? Yeah? Oh shot? Oh yeah, I definitely know.
Speaker 1: I was. I called that on myself. I did. I did.
Speaker 1: My brother got shot the day before, and I called myself, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I call myself just doing something stupid and and and
Speaker 1: and in the outcome, I got shot. Behind that I'm
Speaker 1: reading your uh, your your son was a target and
Speaker 1: a kidnapping. Yeah, what happened is what happened was uh,
Speaker 1: I started, you know, doing the right thing? Are you
Speaker 1: still doing the wrong thing? I was doing I was
Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing, and and and and and a
Speaker 1: close person wasn't wasn't was in prison, and they was
Speaker 1: in prison with one of you know, a mutual friend,
Speaker 1: and he was they was conspired. When I get home,
Speaker 1: I heard he's got all the money on the street.
Speaker 1: When I get home, you know, I want, I want.
Speaker 1: We need to get his son. We need to get
Speaker 1: his son. And in the person he said that too,
Speaker 1: came and told me and and and you know, and
Speaker 1: that was that nothing. You know, we just say we
Speaker 1: stopped that. You took a plea deal, right, so what
Speaker 1: so what what was the centers that they had had
Speaker 1: you not taken a plea deal? So if I went
Speaker 1: to trial and I blew trial, then I probably would
Speaker 1: have got like, uh, maybe twenty years if you blow trial,
Speaker 1: because you know, they stacked the charges out. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: government really don't like you to fight. You fight them back, right,
Speaker 1: they want they want you to. They put them up.
Speaker 1: They know they're gonna get something. One of them gonna stick. Right.
Speaker 1: So so at the end of the day, I took
Speaker 1: the lesser charge for to be like, to be able
Speaker 1: to you know, I could count the time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, what eight years? You do? Five? I could
Speaker 1: I'm so used to starting all over. It's normal to me, right,
Speaker 1: like I never really have money issues, right, because it's
Speaker 1: like it's as soon as I came outside, I just
Speaker 1: figured I figured it out. So I'm like, well, five
Speaker 1: years I could you know, I could come back and
Speaker 1: start my life back over and and at that time,
Speaker 1: I was on TV, so I didn't know if TV
Speaker 1: was going to be there, but I knew that it
Speaker 1: was open up doors for me, right, So I was like,
Speaker 1: let's hurry up and get this over with, so I could,
Speaker 1: you know, get my life back together. So what do
Speaker 1: you think about the situation? Though I don't know. I
Speaker 1: know you, I don't know how much you know how
Speaker 1: much you've read the situation that's going on in Atlanta
Speaker 1: with the RICO on Gunna and why why you sail? Right?
Speaker 1: Could what because like we were talking about earlier, what
Speaker 1: is entertainment and what is reality? So how do how
Speaker 1: does how can you say because I'm talking about you know,
Speaker 1: captain Theirs and doing that, that that's reality, right? See,
Speaker 1: I don't know they case right, And because I know
Speaker 1: that successful black men become targets from the government because
Speaker 1: of their influence in the company that they keep, right,
Speaker 1: So I know that, But far as they case, I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I wish them gods the best, you know,
Speaker 1: I wish that they they they they have an opportunity,
Speaker 1: the same opportunity John Marant have to to change to
Speaker 1: rewrite history in support their family, UH people and inspired
Speaker 1: hoping the community right. So I hope they make out
Speaker 1: the best. And I hope that everything that the media
Speaker 1: is saying true because I know about the media twisting
Speaker 1: things around to make it sound slacious enough to to
Speaker 1: to to get a conviction. Because when when you when
Speaker 1: you play with the media, the same people that's watching
Speaker 1: the media is the jurist, right, So they're going off
Speaker 1: with these newspaper they're going off for with all the
Speaker 1: bad things, so they're not really taking an account of
Speaker 1: your actions. It is basically who can prove their story? Right?
Speaker 1: You when you cop the plea and it's like you
Speaker 1: didn't get the amount of time that you could have
Speaker 1: got gotten. The people think you read it dime snitched someone. Well,
Speaker 1: I think for the for the people that's not educated
Speaker 1: in the UH with the system. So if you if
Speaker 1: if if you don't, if you don't, if you never
Speaker 1: experienced this lifestyle, right and you're from the outside looking
Speaker 1: in and you just looking at like a glampse of
Speaker 1: the story. You make your own opinion. You're gonna formulate
Speaker 1: your own opinion. But if you if you have a
Speaker 1: loved one there, or you experience it, then you just
Speaker 1: have to get more information. Right. That's just like me
Speaker 1: make an opinion about why it's out. I can't make
Speaker 1: an opinion because I don't know the story. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I can't sit here and be like this
Speaker 1: far as out could say they're innocent. You know you're
Speaker 1: under saying and what they're convicted of just having money
Speaker 1: and power. Money and powers is a drug and it
Speaker 1: is dangerous and people don't like to want to see
Speaker 1: you with that. So in my case, you know, people
Speaker 1: I guess for the type of money I was getting,
Speaker 1: they feel like I heard, that's not enough time. Right,
Speaker 1: that's not enough time, right, you you was out there
Speaker 1: killing it for too long. That's time. It's a time.
Speaker 1: But a lot of times I kept people out of
Speaker 1: my business. So even even the dealers I was doing,
Speaker 1: you didn't know about them, right, or all you know
Speaker 1: is about the Rolex, the nice cause, this and that,
Speaker 1: But you don't know my dealings. So because they behind
Speaker 1: closed doors, So you know that's it. So why are
Speaker 1: we seeing so many rappers going to PRIs put his rico?
Speaker 1: How are they able to just slap that reco charge on?
Speaker 1: Because the rico and conspiracy is is about affiliation, right
Speaker 1: and as long as as long as we affiliated together,
Speaker 1: Uh just say you you I'm I'm an artist, your
Speaker 1: street guy. You you come to me telling me about
Speaker 1: your problems. If I give you one advice, then that's
Speaker 1: a rico. Yeah, we conspiracy. I can't give you advice.
Speaker 1: We and we ain't even really supposed to be hanging out, right.
Speaker 1: But you gotta understand for for a lot of guys
Speaker 1: that made it have a sense of loyalty for the
Speaker 1: people they come up with, and just because they made it,
Speaker 1: they don't they're not going to band the ones that
Speaker 1: was there for them, you know. And and in every
Speaker 1: sense of of me being through that, that's why I
Speaker 1: moved from New York to Atlanta, because I knew I
Speaker 1: had so many down people for me and I just
Speaker 1: didn't want to be around that no more, you know,
Speaker 1: And and loved ones. I love them like I love
Speaker 1: them like we go out to eat and they're gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna pull up, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: but they that's theay life. It's not my life no more,
Speaker 1: you know, so I have to separate that. Man. I'm looking.
Speaker 1: Prison wasn't too bad for you, bro, I mean, your
Speaker 1: right what I feel today. So so I went I
Speaker 1: went through. I went through prison not only as a
Speaker 1: kingpin but a reality TV star. Yeah right, So you
Speaker 1: know when I went to the white prison, you know,
Speaker 1: the CEOs hated on me, right or the guy with
Speaker 1: the white teeth and and the gouy on TMZ and
Speaker 1: this and that, and they hate was go get that
Speaker 1: garbage and mister Harris, take that garbage and take it
Speaker 1: to the top of the hill and laughter. They thing
Speaker 1: right now, I'd be like, you know, I'll courage to
Speaker 1: say signing up my breath, and I wouldn't do it right.
Speaker 1: So they call itself discipline me. But when I go
Speaker 1: when I moved to the camp, now, the federal camp
Speaker 1: don't have no gates around people getting furloughs. Furloughs if
Speaker 1: you could go home for twenty eight hours, I mean
Speaker 1: forty eight hours and stuff like that. And it's black people,
Speaker 1: young black people, hip hop people. So they're like, yo,
Speaker 1: looks up, man, Yo, you wanna go to a concert? Here,
Speaker 1: We're gonna I'm gonna call Remy mar Let you go
Speaker 1: to Remy mall because she's performing in Atlantic City. And pappoos,
Speaker 1: let one of my the CEOs on my unit come
Speaker 1: to the concert. So he go to the concerts, he'll
Speaker 1: come back like, go on your locker, be popas of lobster,
Speaker 1: all types of stuff. Then then then it used to
Speaker 1: be like here, man, here's your phone, so somebody call you,
Speaker 1: and and I'd be like, yo, listen, stop bringing me
Speaker 1: the phone in front of everybody. Right, So you know,
Speaker 1: it was very, very very very relaxed in that sense.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, one of the hardest things
Speaker 1: I had to deal with is, you know, watching my
Speaker 1: kids grow up through prison, right, So you know, nothing
Speaker 1: superseded that right there. I think for me that was
Speaker 1: the hardest part. In every every visit, my kid could
Speaker 1: ask me, Dad, when you're coming home? Right, when you're
Speaker 1: coming home? When you come home? And every time I
Speaker 1: said soon. Soon they got to a point where they
Speaker 1: got tired of here, and soon they want to annoy
Speaker 1: a date. Did you ever did you ever tell don't
Speaker 1: bring it back. I don't want to see I don't
Speaker 1: want him to see me like this. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see him bad. No, I think I never said
Speaker 1: that because I still wanted that connection right, and I
Speaker 1: still wanted to be involved in their life as as
Speaker 1: as much as possible, because I see when when men
Speaker 1: not involved in their children life, sometimes a kid be bitter, right,
Speaker 1: you know, they feel that they have that benement issues.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to re ensure my kids that
Speaker 1: I love them right, and anything I could do from
Speaker 1: them from there was just sound advice or a gift
Speaker 1: or something to ease the pain. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure I do that. And you know, my children mother
Speaker 1: and mother's and my wife, they did a great job
Speaker 1: of keeping that connection. Well, well, it's difficult to see
Speaker 1: your wife on the internet. I mean you in jail
Speaker 1: and you yeah, every damn I'm you know, I'm on
Speaker 1: the toiler in the bathroom looking through a g and
Speaker 1: I'm watching her Dubai. I'm watching her live her life
Speaker 1: and I'm wow, Wow, I need you, I need you home,
Speaker 1: I need you miserable waiting on me to come back.
Speaker 1: So so I'm like, why are you going to all
Speaker 1: these places without me. We're supposed to have this experience together, right, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm the hating and I'm toiling. I was a
Speaker 1: big hater right then. Then I said, you know, forget
Speaker 1: this phone. I'll go to my bed and just push, push,
Speaker 1: push my bed and like when I get out, I'm
Speaker 1: going to all these places. Right listen, come, I'm like,
Speaker 1: even you're coming down, you're gonna watch me go like
Speaker 1: I'm going right, And I fulfill that. I went to Dubai.
Speaker 1: I've been in Africa a few times, and you know
Speaker 1: I've been to I got my passports stamped up. So
Speaker 1: it was one of the promises that I made was
Speaker 1: to see the world because because you know, we Hollom
Speaker 1: was our that was our world, right, we didn't really
Speaker 1: know too much. It was outside of hallm So man
Speaker 1: is a big world out there. So anything anything pop
Speaker 1: up in prison, like you like, man, I gotta watch
Speaker 1: my back. I gotta make oo. I mean, I had
Speaker 1: some some people that I was jealous because they just
Speaker 1: how I was living in there, right, you know, you
Speaker 1: know they felt like I was getting specially treatment. They
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, yeah, it wasna feel some type
Speaker 1: of way. But I feel like I feel like, don't
Speaker 1: be a hater, like be apart, like joint. Come on,
Speaker 1: come on, man, get your plate, come come eat with me. Right,
Speaker 1: you ain't got it like it's enough for everybody, and
Speaker 1: I would make it enough for everybody, so you know it,
Speaker 1: but you have some people. I ain't no goopie, that's
Speaker 1: the first thing. But when someone wanted, they don't. They
Speaker 1: might be a fan, but they rather not be a groupie.
Speaker 1: Right then then it looked like a fan. Well you
Speaker 1: know what, That's one thing I can say about you
Speaker 1: that you real because when I reached out to you,
Speaker 1: and that's like, brou can I send you? Can I
Speaker 1: send you something? Like? Oh yeah, bro, I love to
Speaker 1: I want to try it. And then I mean we
Speaker 1: hadn't really at that point in time, we had never met.
Speaker 1: I just said, can I send you this? And that's
Speaker 1: all I said, Can I see you this? I want
Speaker 1: you to try? You're like yeah. And then next thing,
Speaker 1: I know you at the Mayor's ball and you posted it. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, what I said, bro? He said, I
Speaker 1: want to see I want to see you'll succeed. Right,
Speaker 1: And first I'm a fan, right, I think that I
Speaker 1: think you're super dope. I think that you know sometimes
Speaker 1: you gotta not sometimes all the time. You should be
Speaker 1: confident in who you are to be given another man
Speaker 1: his flowers and tell another man you don't you know
Speaker 1: you you you, what you did and which your accompass
Speaker 1: is very inspiring. And if I can be a little
Speaker 1: piece of help or to assist you, to promote you
Speaker 1: to do anything and cost me nothing to shout you
Speaker 1: out and support you, why don't we do that enough?
Speaker 1: Why us? I'm talking about us. This is a conversation
Speaker 1: between you and our black man, the black man. Why
Speaker 1: is it that we can't see that? Why can't well?
Speaker 1: And sometimes I read a quote this says, jealousy sometimes
Speaker 1: isn't about somebody you having something that somebody else wants.
Speaker 1: Sometimes jealousy is about them not wanting you to have
Speaker 1: it at all. Right, I think we do too much
Speaker 1: for competing with each other, right right? We think that
Speaker 1: you know, it's not enough for all of us to eat,
Speaker 1: but it is, it is, it's putting money out there.
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people got like trauma and they they how they
Speaker 1: was raised or grew up there they everything is like this.
Speaker 1: They don't know if you know, if you give, God
Speaker 1: gonna bless you, right, right, So they like everything like this,
Speaker 1: They holding on that everything. They want everything for themselves.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you give and you're able to
Speaker 1: change people lives and and put food on people's table
Speaker 1: or create opportunities, that's a different type of love, different
Speaker 1: type of respect. So you know, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I encourage every I don't like stinking selfish people around me.
Speaker 1: I tell you, if I figured if I started to
Speaker 1: see them traiting you, I get away from you real quick. Wow.
Speaker 1: So what would what would? What was the prison fool like?
Speaker 1: It was disgusting? It was, it was, it was. It
Speaker 1: was definitely definitely disgusting. But again when I got to
Speaker 1: the to New Jersey Farrington and camp, we had black cooks.
Speaker 1: They put the season in on, right, they put the
Speaker 1: season in on it. So you know, again, you know,
Speaker 1: for someone that that they don't have a family, that
Speaker 1: don't have anything going on, I'm pretty sure it's easy
Speaker 1: for them, right. It's a mental thing, right. And then
Speaker 1: once you once you get into prison and you saw
Speaker 1: I started to see a lot of young black brothers
Speaker 1: in there, that lost so many years in prison for
Speaker 1: the smallest crime you can imagine, and they lost, they
Speaker 1: hold they lost twenty years, right, And I started to
Speaker 1: see that prison is a business, right you know. They
Speaker 1: warehouse people and put people to work to make five
Speaker 1: dollars a month, ten dollars a month, where where now
Speaker 1: they don't even have enough money to call a family.
Speaker 1: They don't have enough money for commissary, don't have it
Speaker 1: costs money they send an email. Right. So you know
Speaker 1: when you think about the the tell the self, the
Speaker 1: phones and and and all of commissary and stuff. They're
Speaker 1: making a lot of money off these people. And every time,
Speaker 1: every time people get out, you notice they do big indictments,
Speaker 1: big indictments because they got to fill these prisons back up.
Speaker 1: They don't want these prisons empty, right, they don't want
Speaker 1: them empty. Yeah. And I got a chance to work,
Speaker 1: uh in Unicorn, and I was working cleaning eighteen T
Speaker 1: products right right, And I'm like that eighteen T is
Speaker 1: profiting off of prison. And you think about all the
Speaker 1: big companies that's profit of for predict, they complain about
Speaker 1: people going overseas, but them slave wages. But we got
Speaker 1: it right here in this country right, and everybody's turning
Speaker 1: a blind eye. Nobody cares until it hit home. Then
Speaker 1: whence they hit home, then then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they started to care. But you know what, man, what
Speaker 1: I don't understand is that guys will go to prison
Speaker 1: and work for a dollar hour or seventy five cents
Speaker 1: or two thousan an hour, But say, nah, I want
Speaker 1: no job at McDonald's making fifteen thous an hour and
Speaker 1: you be free. Now you make two dollars an hour
Speaker 1: incarcerated and you're not free. They tell you when to go,
Speaker 1: where to go, with time to get up, what time
Speaker 1: to go to bed for two dollars an hour, but
Speaker 1: you don't want to work for fifteen dollars McDonald That's
Speaker 1: that's beneath them. What's that mentality? What's that mice? I
Speaker 1: think that's social pressure, social pressure of God's want and
Speaker 1: be the man right, and they feel like they can
Speaker 1: never they're never gonna succeed getting fifteen dollars an hour.
Speaker 1: When you have the movies that we watch, El Chopoles
Speaker 1: and The King of New York and all that, they're
Speaker 1: ready to take that route. Then to be with a
Speaker 1: mop in a boom for the next five or ten
Speaker 1: years or to something. You know, it's it's uncomfortable right
Speaker 1: for them, and they don't they they for me, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of challenges. They just got to challenge it, right,
Speaker 1: I see. Uh. For the next two times he brought
Speaker 1: diamond cuff links. He said he wanted it to remind
Speaker 1: him of where he's been and that he's never going back.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that symbolism. I don't want
Speaker 1: nothing to remind me. You can keep all that shit. Listen.
Speaker 1: I don't want no cuffs. I don't want no khakis.
Speaker 1: I don't want nothing like you know, it's so crazy
Speaker 1: because I ain't boyd listen, dumb memories is in the past.
Speaker 1: And the only thing that I wish, you know, not
Speaker 1: even I wish I'm inspired to do, is to stop
Speaker 1: people from going there, right right, So and tell young
Speaker 1: brothers that's you know that I looked that could have
Speaker 1: been me, Like, that's not the way to go, you know.
Speaker 1: So I do the mentorship. I go into schools, I
Speaker 1: even go into prison, right and and who who can
Speaker 1: they believe to tell a story but me? Right? You know,
Speaker 1: I lived at at a high level. So if I
Speaker 1: can tell you your outcome. Don't don't go, don't go
Speaker 1: get the outcome right, learn from me, right, you know.
Speaker 1: And and I think that I'm able to reach him,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to continue to reach as many as
Speaker 1: I can. Took courses in prison, and it took every
Speaker 1: I took every program. That's how that's how I got
Speaker 1: through my days. I took every class that I can take, right,
Speaker 1: So I wanted to work on I wanted to take
Speaker 1: that time and do something useful for me. It was
Speaker 1: to learn, and you know, just for me, it was
Speaker 1: like college, right. So I never got a chance to
Speaker 1: I got a GD. I never got a chance to
Speaker 1: finish school. But I got my GD. So that my
Speaker 1: my my time in prison, and it was to learn
Speaker 1: as much as I can learn, not to make this
Speaker 1: dead time, idle time I'm just sitting around learn and
Speaker 1: also reflect on the decisions I made and also figure
Speaker 1: out how to make better decisions. So you know, when
Speaker 1: when you're there, your whole life flashed behind you. Right,
Speaker 1: And you always say that if I did this is different?
Speaker 1: How did this is different? Did you? So? Do you? Did?
Speaker 1: You have a lot of like thinking about because they
Speaker 1: say a prison okay, there's two ways of looking at prison,
Speaker 1: the actual facility in what you're in and your mind
Speaker 1: being incarcerrated. If that, when the mind gets incarcerrated, is
Speaker 1: where people do bad things to themselves and maybe do
Speaker 1: bad things to other people. So did you ever a lot?
Speaker 1: Did you ever allow yourself to like, man, I mean
Speaker 1: five years And you know you say that's not a
Speaker 1: lot of time, but five years of a lot of
Speaker 1: time when you can't go and come as you please.
Speaker 1: But see five, I said five years not a lot
Speaker 1: of time, because if I said I had a fifteen
Speaker 1: year run, right, and I tell you everything that happened
Speaker 1: to me in that fifteen years, five years not a
Speaker 1: lot of time. Oh okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm saying yeah. So so man,
Speaker 1: I remember the pandemic, Man DC, Man, I'll lose my
Speaker 1: mind inside and I could still get my car, drive
Speaker 1: out of pre where I couldn't go in a restaurant
Speaker 1: and not listen, Man, try to sleep on the floor.
Speaker 1: That's hard. That's how the bed feels, right. So for
Speaker 1: the pandemic, I was home in the pandemic, and I
Speaker 1: got a California King right. I was good right there.
Speaker 1: So I got the remote California King, got the kids,
Speaker 1: the dog. I was chilling. When you got out, you
Speaker 1: had a financial well seminar call from prison sale to
Speaker 1: living well. What made you decide to do that? Because
Speaker 1: when I first came out of prison, right, and and
Speaker 1: you know, I never been through prison, so I never experienced,
Speaker 1: you know, the aftermath, the part like things that I
Speaker 1: couldn't do, Like I couldn't get I had money coming out.
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't get a car because I can't
Speaker 1: enter a contract. No banks wanted my money because they
Speaker 1: figure he's going money launder, right, So when when you
Speaker 1: when you when you look up the case and you
Speaker 1: see millions of dollars, they said, oh, he's going to
Speaker 1: run millions of dollars to a bank. And you know,
Speaker 1: we we don't we don't want that attention, you know.
Speaker 1: So I had nowhere to put my money. I had
Speaker 1: a great accounting that when I was in prison, moved
Speaker 1: my money to Canada. That's the only that was the
Speaker 1: only person that was the only place I could was
Speaker 1: willing to take my money in Canada. And when I
Speaker 1: came home, I started trying to trying to get buy
Speaker 1: a house. The house I live in now was going
Speaker 1: to buy the house, and and I had alert the
Speaker 1: back office, and I slid underneath the radar. But as
Speaker 1: soon as I alert the back office, they kicked my
Speaker 1: money straight on out. So it was like it was
Speaker 1: like only through relationships and network, I was able to
Speaker 1: re establish myself in the support system. Right, So I
Speaker 1: had I had, I had a job, I had valuging
Speaker 1: for me. I had I had that support that that
Speaker 1: made it easy. But I was more concerned how how
Speaker 1: I got in that program. It's the people that don't
Speaker 1: have the support what that looked like for them. And
Speaker 1: and you know, I was losing holpe at one point, right,
Speaker 1: So I can imagine someone with no support how they
Speaker 1: losing hope and then they end up doing what they
Speaker 1: was doing before they got in there, because they they
Speaker 1: they they went through all their remedies and it led
Speaker 1: them back to a square one. And that's my question
Speaker 1: to you, how do we keep man that looked like
Speaker 1: you and I from going And if they do go,
Speaker 1: how do we keep it from going back? I think
Speaker 1: programs more people like myself, like you speaking up even
Speaker 1: though that's not your your world but you're still You're
Speaker 1: still a great example for a man in in in
Speaker 1: in inspiring. So people just being you know, a mentor
Speaker 1: and able to you don't People don't know how impactful
Speaker 1: their voices by just giving it to a kid, even
Speaker 1: grown men, right, because I see grown men ask for advice, right,
Speaker 1: you know, just because someone is older mentally, they're not mature.
Speaker 1: You see men that that's that's still children because they
Speaker 1: never got that chance to grow up. They still stuck.
Speaker 1: Do you run into it? And what I've run into
Speaker 1: sometimes is that sometimes we are too pride for to ask. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I used to be like that, right, I used to
Speaker 1: I used to be the one that had it all
Speaker 1: figured out, right. I used to be so reserved. I
Speaker 1: mean I never used to even talk to people, right right,
Speaker 1: So you know I never had a personality, right right,
Speaker 1: So I just say what's up, you know, and keep
Speaker 1: it moving whatever. And my wife helped me with that.
Speaker 1: She said, men, you gotta start talking to people because
Speaker 1: you got this beautiful personality in the house with us
Speaker 1: and the kids and people you comfortable with. But you
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in his box. You're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: miss the opportunity and making some really good friends and
Speaker 1: some really good connections. If you don't talk right because
Speaker 1: these trust issues, you're thinking, you know, the corny ship.
Speaker 1: We think that people really laugh at us and play.
Speaker 1: You know, I just did a mean Cameron just did
Speaker 1: a tap dance, right, So I ain't know how to
Speaker 1: tap dance, but we figured it out and you know,
Speaker 1: people was gonna be laughing at it, but we had
Speaker 1: a good time, and that we wasn't at that time.
Speaker 1: I wasn't worrying about people laughing. I would just wanted
Speaker 1: to focus on us having a good time. So how
Speaker 1: long after you got out did it take you to
Speaker 1: get your money straight? Because I read that you had
Speaker 1: to give up one hundred and seventy thousand that you
Speaker 1: had earned from the reality show to make restitution. It
Speaker 1: wasn't really restitution right, what it was it was if
Speaker 1: you want to get out on bell, well, you could
Speaker 1: do two things right. You're given You can even tell
Speaker 1: us who got some money, or you could give us
Speaker 1: some money. I said I'll give you my money. So
Speaker 1: they wanted you to die or somebody. So those are
Speaker 1: two options. You can even tell us who got money,
Speaker 1: or you could give us some money, and I went
Speaker 1: with the option of, well, you know, if if you
Speaker 1: if if I get out on bel I'll forfeit any
Speaker 1: money that I make right from TV, whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be, I'll forfeit. But then it give me time
Speaker 1: to uh, to just make these adjustments before I know,
Speaker 1: I'm coming back, right And I had a call for
Speaker 1: my lawyer telling me, you know, you don't have to
Speaker 1: come back. I said, no, I'm coming back. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm coming back because this is going
Speaker 1: to be a short period of my life that should
Speaker 1: be all behind me and I want it done with.
Speaker 1: So you know, I had a chance to at this time,
Speaker 1: married my wife. I had a chance to have a daughter,
Speaker 1: h just you know, extend my family. I had a
Speaker 1: chance to make U to fortify the relationship with me
Speaker 1: and my mom's and and and beat it for my
Speaker 1: brother and mentally just prepared them for what's to come.
Speaker 1: I know you can't prepare for it, but by having
Speaker 1: these conversations, in these discussions to let them know, like listen,
Speaker 1: I love you. Had you told who had who, who
Speaker 1: had the money, you will have paperwork, right, So if
Speaker 1: you tell, like okay, Shannon got baked Shannon running this
Speaker 1: and all that. No, you don't need that. No, from
Speaker 1: from what I hear, you don't even need that really right, no,
Speaker 1: to to to start an investigation. You don't need to
Speaker 1: have anything on. You just need to know your name
Speaker 1: pretty much. And and that's that's their job. That's not
Speaker 1: your job. You hear, you hear a lot of women,
Speaker 1: and I've heard this. I'm ride or die hey up
Speaker 1: down side, side, back, front back, I'm a rider, die hey.
Speaker 1: We get this hide roller coaster, your boy, I'm your
Speaker 1: woman there with you if we died here? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the ride a dipper? Real right? She she did that?
Speaker 1: Not listen she she You know, the easy to think
Speaker 1: about that is in the beginning, I ain't think she
Speaker 1: could do it right because I know how how clingy
Speaker 1: she was. Right, and prior to me having this case,
Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up watching my friends go to
Speaker 1: prison and they used to be stressing over a girl,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, yo, do your time, stop worrying
Speaker 1: about it. So I vowed to never be dumb, right,
Speaker 1: just because I had that chip on my shoulder and
Speaker 1: I had trusted you. So when I when I was
Speaker 1: on my way to prison. I was like, listen, just
Speaker 1: be my friend, right, because I don't want you to
Speaker 1: have these I don't want to have these expectations and
Speaker 1: get let down because I've been I've been let down
Speaker 1: my whole life. Right. I had expectations, and everyone I
Speaker 1: had expectations let me down and I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: want this relationship ruined. Did you tell her that? I
Speaker 1: told you that, But did you really mean? I didn't
Speaker 1: mean it. I didn't mean I mean it. I wanted
Speaker 1: to see if she take the exit, right, Like, like
Speaker 1: if he given me a i'ma take it. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: give someone out and see if they take it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if they take it, that's what they really want
Speaker 1: to out right. But but but that you give it
Speaker 1: to them, right, and she didn't take it that. I
Speaker 1: was happy she didn't take it, But I felt like,
Speaker 1: as being responsible and being realistic, I had to give
Speaker 1: her out right. Man, I'm looking at me. You handle
Speaker 1: over a lot of two out of the eight one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy thousand cash and then you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build it. I'm gonna build it right back up, right, Listen,
Speaker 1: I told you it's starting a lover. It's normal to me,
Speaker 1: you know, like when you're a hustler, you take losses,
Speaker 1: you go right back, you get right back, you get
Speaker 1: right back. It's in you, it ain't on you, you know.
Speaker 1: So my mentality is just just open these gates. I
Speaker 1: figured the rest out. I mean, she was on the
Speaker 1: front line when she's a pro chester in humane conditions.
Speaker 1: Uh she got pepper sprayed in the process. I mean, ruh,
Speaker 1: you got a real listen. That was crazy because I
Speaker 1: asked her like, why are you doing that? Like I
Speaker 1: because I'm in the inside, and I was worried for her,
Speaker 1: and she was like, that could have been you and there,
Speaker 1: that could have been you living in them conditions. Right,
Speaker 1: So again it hit close to home, right. So you know,
Speaker 1: with Yanny being an activist, at first I didn't get
Speaker 1: it because I thought, you know, I'm so used to
Speaker 1: fighting for people we know, not fighting for people we
Speaker 1: don't know. But I get it now. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to figure this. I've been around you a little while
Speaker 1: and you're very soft spoken. You don't say a whole lot.
Speaker 1: I mean you speak when spoken to, but you're not
Speaker 1: a confrontational individual. And a lot of times to be
Speaker 1: on reality, it requires you to get out of your
Speaker 1: get out of character. Well I did one time with
Speaker 1: the gym. I don't know if you missed that, with
Speaker 1: the guy and the gym that was taking up her cousin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was that was one time, and that was
Speaker 1: a valid reason, you know. But my demeanor is what
Speaker 1: it is in real life. Yeah with the camera, right,
Speaker 1: I don't like to argue. I'm not trying to fight nobody,
Speaker 1: and that's just what it is. Well, how do you
Speaker 1: make it work? Because a lot of these shows are
Speaker 1: predicated and they get the better reddings when someone gets
Speaker 1: out of character, and you simular with the exception of
Speaker 1: that one time, you stay in character. But I think
Speaker 1: they got they got enough people for that, right, right,
Speaker 1: And they got people. That's the thing, you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's the thing is. You know, they don't know how
Speaker 1: to control the emotions. You know. I had to control
Speaker 1: my emotions, you know, I played with my life. So
Speaker 1: when when these people getting out of character and not
Speaker 1: controlling emotions, it lives and it dies there me, it
Speaker 1: goes a whole nother direction. Right. I don't want that, right,
Speaker 1: so let's not go there. I don't. I do not want.
Speaker 1: I don't want no smoke because smoke we can't come
Speaker 1: back from right. I don't want that. You have kids
Speaker 1: from two I don't want to use the BM word,
Speaker 1: but you have kids. It's from two different women and
Speaker 1: one of the your kids mom yany cousin beat up
Speaker 1: for so? So how how was that? So? So? What
Speaker 1: what did you say? Like why y'all, why y'all do this? So? So?
Speaker 1: You know how when you remove the man, the father,
Speaker 1: everything good? Chaos? Yeah, you know, it's normal order, some
Speaker 1: more structure. So I know once I left, it's gonna
Speaker 1: fall apart, right, and I just I was just hoping
Speaker 1: that it didn't. It didn't go too crazy. But as
Speaker 1: soon as I get back, everything back to normal, right.
Speaker 1: You know, we got everybody got a great relationship. Apologies
Speaker 1: was accepted. You know, we like we we had each
Speaker 1: other house cookouts, is everything is is back in order.
Speaker 1: I like the fact that you're very active in your
Speaker 1: kid's life, all of your kids. And I read what
Speaker 1: you told one of your one of your kids moms
Speaker 1: that you're not going to turn me into a week
Speaker 1: get dad, right. I'm every day I'm here, I'm being
Speaker 1: constant communication with my child and there's nothing you can
Speaker 1: do about it. Even though we're not together. We're together.
Speaker 1: What because I again, if I, if I couldn't go
Speaker 1: back in history and change my life, I could take
Speaker 1: part in his life and make sure that he doesn't
Speaker 1: he does the right thing. You never want your kids
Speaker 1: to experience what you experience, right, so you know, and
Speaker 1: for me, you know, that's my greatest accomplishment. You know,
Speaker 1: if I never did nothing right, I did that right right.
Speaker 1: You know, when did you realize obviously yandys stood by you,
Speaker 1: But when did you realize was it that when you
Speaker 1: came out and she was still waiting for you, that
Speaker 1: she through the process right? So she never wait? She
Speaker 1: she come visit. She was coming to visit, uh every
Speaker 1: week in the beginning, then be two weeks and then
Speaker 1: she she would fly back, have an event and didn't
Speaker 1: even get no sleep and go straight on the highway
Speaker 1: to come visit me, bring the kids. The kids is sleepy,
Speaker 1: the weave is almost off, the makeup. And just to
Speaker 1: sit there from with me for like five six hours,
Speaker 1: not nor of sleep, but just to make sure that
Speaker 1: we keep our connection and also I keep the connection
Speaker 1: with the kids. Wow, you mentioned that you saw you
Speaker 1: saw her going he was in Dubai and then you
Speaker 1: ended up you guys got married in Dubai. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what was that? What was that moment? Like when she said,
Speaker 1: let's have a destination wedding. The first thing I said,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be expensive. Yeah, right, So I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, destination. You mean we had like about sixty
Speaker 1: seventy people come. So I'm thinking, like, well, who's paying
Speaker 1: for all this? Right? Right? Because me, I'm very calculated
Speaker 1: when it comes to spending my money now, right, so
Speaker 1: you know I'm not in the streets no more. So
Speaker 1: I'm very calculated. So I'm thinking, like, you know, with Yandy,
Speaker 1: you know, she she she don't give me no breaks.
Speaker 1: The day that I was paying bills at some point
Speaker 1: from prison, right, I'm not a single mother. You know
Speaker 1: you're gonna help me. And then the day I got out,
Speaker 1: I think she gave me like three or four days off,
Speaker 1: and then I think the first was coming up and
Speaker 1: she was like, because yeah, I got the first yep.
Speaker 1: I got out on the twenty ninth January twenty ninth.
Speaker 1: By the first of February, probably two or three days.
Speaker 1: She's like, hey, let's talk about these bills. I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: you didn't give me a chance, Like I didn't even
Speaker 1: get the jill food out my system yet, I got
Speaker 1: I still got jill food in my in my stomach.
Speaker 1: Let me shoot down, like, come on, like like my
Speaker 1: my back still hurt from se let me get a
Speaker 1: little comfortable, like, and also, what's my plan? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: I gotta have a plan. My plan was in the order, right, so,
Speaker 1: and I know sometimes it takes money to make money,
Speaker 1: So let me figure out how I'm gonna flip this
Speaker 1: before you just take it, all right, And she was like,
Speaker 1: you'll figure it out. Nobody gives me a break. You listen,
Speaker 1: you've been figuring out. You ain't gonna never stop figuring out, right.
Speaker 1: So that's that's her mentality. Your first tattoo for your
Speaker 1: wife name person only tattoo? What made you decide to
Speaker 1: get that? Because at that point, right, I never believed
Speaker 1: in getting tattoos. I don't follow trends. You know, something
Speaker 1: you put on you, it's going to be with you
Speaker 1: today you die, right, And I think at that point,
Speaker 1: I thought, I mean, this woman like relationship is slid, right,
Speaker 1: even even if we go separate ways. One day when
Speaker 1: I loved her, I loved her, right, and she means
Speaker 1: something to me. And so you know, if I if I,
Speaker 1: if I love enough to marry her, then I love
Speaker 1: enough to get a tattoo. Right, So that that was
Speaker 1: the decision. I mean you no, I'm I'm They hurt,
Speaker 1: They hurt. They hurt the hurt worst getting stabbed. I
Speaker 1: got stabbed, didn't even feel get I got shot them.
Speaker 1: Tattoos hurt. Many don't hurt. Man, they don't hurt. To listen, yeah,
Speaker 1: Tim get stabbed up a few times and shot didn't
Speaker 1: do the comparison. You mentioned that you left New York
Speaker 1: and moved to Atlanta. Right, you wanted a fresh start, right,
Speaker 1: you know what it is. I wanted. I want the
Speaker 1: opportunity to try to focus on my family. Right. I
Speaker 1: didn't want no distractions. I want to change my environment
Speaker 1: and just have that. Right. I want to work in family.
Speaker 1: I didn't want no hanging out. You know, I can't
Speaker 1: to Atlanta. I ain't hang out. I still don't hang out.
Speaker 1: So you know it's is work and family and and
Speaker 1: and I've been had a place down there since two
Speaker 1: thousand and three. So I always knew, like you know,
Speaker 1: we have Harlem is is like the Mecca, but Atlanta
Speaker 1: is like Black Hollywood. Yeah right, so, and the thing
Speaker 1: the thing I love about Atlanta is I've never seen
Speaker 1: so many black entrepreneurs in my life, right, and I
Speaker 1: never you know, I lived in Jersey and we see
Speaker 1: a lot of white people who need these big homes.
Speaker 1: But in Atlanta, we see all black people who need
Speaker 1: these big homes. And now that's something good for the
Speaker 1: kids to see, you know, and that that that that
Speaker 1: gives them hope, is inspiring and everything. So I said,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm going. Glad you made that decision to
Speaker 1: relocate to Atlanta. Yeah, listen, were thriving right now. Should
Speaker 1: actually today are closed on two properties they uh single
Speaker 1: multi million dollar builts that I'm doing right in Buckhead.
Speaker 1: I own a whole block in Atlanta. So my real
Speaker 1: estate is is booming because Atlanta so many people moving
Speaker 1: down and making it crazy and there's not enough inventory, right,
Speaker 1: So you can sit and watch or you can participate
Speaker 1: and develop. And so we just I just started developing.
Speaker 1: You've got real estate restaurant, which you didn't take me
Speaker 1: to last time. I was home. I don't know why
Speaker 1: you didn't. I don't want people to bother you with
Speaker 1: the pictures. So one day, when when it's when it's chill,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go over and not making something to hold
Speaker 1: that door because the women in there, man, they get me,
Speaker 1: so I can imagine I'm gonna get you. So what's
Speaker 1: the next from NDCs? Uh? Next? I got a first
Speaker 1: look deal with with Viscom to produce TV show. I
Speaker 1: started already thinking about what's my life after? Because eventually
Speaker 1: love and hip hop got to be over? Right, So
Speaker 1: I started thinking about how far can I go and entertainment?
Speaker 1: And I see the real money isn't isn't in casting
Speaker 1: put getting a great cast. You can have any show,
Speaker 1: but the cast that's make the show successful, right right.
Speaker 1: So I'm outside and with with people that I see
Speaker 1: that potentially could be great cast. So that's the direction
Speaker 1: where I want to go when that door closed. But
Speaker 1: my main thing is and I just think it's sweet.
Speaker 1: It's real estate. Ain't that Realatant? Real estate? Really? Ain't
Speaker 1: nothing realatant real estate? You know? I think people always
Speaker 1: gonna need somewhere to live, right, and then when that
Speaker 1: person dies, someone else moving the house, right, So you
Speaker 1: know the way the market is right now, you just
Speaker 1: gotta capitalize, right, You just gotta network capitalized, find find
Speaker 1: your way and believe in yourself and and bed on yourself. Right, Bro,
Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by. I mean your story from where
Speaker 1: you came, from your upbringing, trial, the tribulations that you
Speaker 1: went through in the middle to where you came. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna the other side. It's seeming lit with flying colors,
Speaker 1: but we know there was a lot of hardship in
Speaker 1: getting to where you are now. And you look at
Speaker 1: what you've been able to do. You have a very
Speaker 1: loving family, you have a thriving business, and it's still
Speaker 1: onward and upwards. So I appreciate your story. Congrats on everything, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I'll see you divor rope all right.
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