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Speaker 1: And I took him and I never even told him

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Speaker 1: about that. All my life and grinding all my life,

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Speaker 1: dice to swapp all my life. I've been grinding all

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Speaker 1: my life, all my life, then grinding all my life,

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Speaker 1: in all my life. Hello, welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: Club Sha Shake. I am your whole shod in sharp.

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Speaker 1: I'm also the propriud of Club Sha Shake, and the

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Speaker 1: guy that's stopping by for a drinking conversation today is

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Speaker 1: a music manager, producer, real estate developer, actor, entrepreneur, father, husband,

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Speaker 1: reality TV star men DC's Harry Run. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: talking about the club. How you been this man? Taking

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Speaker 1: it easy? Man, a blessing. Thank you for having me

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Speaker 1: nah man, thankful coming on. You know every time we

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Speaker 1: couple the guys, come on, we have toast. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: do it. I appreciate it time much. Whoof nice and smooth?

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Speaker 1: So bro taking it easy man, one day at a time. Noah,

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Speaker 1: you do more than to take it easy from Harlem.

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Speaker 1: Everybody says they got the best, Bro Harlem say they're

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Speaker 1: the best, Brooklyn say they're the best. Y'aller queens, Uh,

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Speaker 1: what's the best? Brom? I gotta say, hallm right? Because

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Speaker 1: harm got his own culture. We trend setters. I know

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Speaker 1: you heard of dab Yes, so there you go like that.

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Speaker 1: That is our tradition. Dabadan is one of many. He's

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Speaker 1: an icon, but he's one of many styles that come

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Speaker 1: many styles in hallm right. That's what I mean. You know,

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Speaker 1: you guys are known for hustlers, even the flashing, you know,

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Speaker 1: the big cars and you know, you know the big

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Speaker 1: is that is that what Harlem is? When you when

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Speaker 1: So Harlem, you know we grew up looking up to

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Speaker 1: people like Nicky Bonds. Yeah, uh God Fisher, the rich porters,

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Speaker 1: and you know you hear the stories, so you know

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Speaker 1: we we we breede hustlers, rubber burrows. They got other

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Speaker 1: things going on, but it's it's it's really hustlers out

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Speaker 1: of Hallm. But okay, so I'm looking at the guys

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Speaker 1: p Diddy, Tupac, sat Rocket, Cameron Mays, Keith Sweat, Jim Jones, Dames, Dad, Douggie, Press,

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Speaker 1: a Mount Rushmore. You gotta have four people of the

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Speaker 1: guys that I just named, who's on your Mount Rushmore.

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Speaker 1: I will go puff. I will go with Cameron, I

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Speaker 1: will go with Mace, Okay, and I will go with

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Speaker 1: I will go with uh Juwel santannad Man. Look, man,

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Speaker 1: how you leave from Hallm. Well he lived there for

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Speaker 1: a little right, So do we say he from there? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well I ain't see. You know, I never heard him

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Speaker 1: so when I if I heard him red Hollm, then

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Speaker 1: then he would have been number one. So when you

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Speaker 1: of hall the people of Harlem, because we see him

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Speaker 1: his hood. From what I see growing up, he gave

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Speaker 1: but he is he is fire the community. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: you know, just just with style, grace in his presence,

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Speaker 1: not it's not harm. You don't really see that in Hollom.

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Speaker 1: You see that like in Soho. Okay, so you know

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Speaker 1: at you. You raised them a single parent household in Harlem?

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Speaker 1: So when you were growing up, what did man, DC's

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Speaker 1: The people that was the entertainments, we couldn't touch them,

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Speaker 1: to go back to the hood and live a life.

423
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: So how about they're just like rapp us want to

424
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: be rappers, and trappers want to be rappers. So they

425
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: want to they want to reverse because the rappers they're talking,

426
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: some of them, not all of them, talk about a

427
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: lifestyle they didn't never live, right, right, And then the

428
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: real trappers don't want to live that lifestyle, so they say, like,

429
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: you see how easy you make them. I wish let's

430
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: trade places, right. You think it's that easy, Yeah, let's

431
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: trade places. Right. But the entertainment value and the and

432
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: I get it because it's for entertainment and I'm not

433
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not looking like I said, Snowfall is

434
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: probably my favorite show. It's probably mine. It's probably really

435
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: the only show that I watch on television. But there's

436
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: an entertainment value of it. But to get the authenticity

437
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: downpat they had to go and research and do some

438
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,719
Speaker 1: things with some people that says, Okay, this is how

439
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: you do it, this is the lingo that you use,

440
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: and this is what you do right absolutely, because you

441
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: you have to be on ground level to understand, you know,

442
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm of course there's some secrets that you can't tell

443
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: because they still working today, right, And you don't want

444
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: to blow people's spot up, you know, because this is

445
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: how they speed their family. But they had to go

446
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: deep down to ground level and touch the hood and

447
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,959
Speaker 1: get with I heard the stories based off Rick Ross, right,

448
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: I got a chance to meet him too, so that

449
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool because I what was cool is

450
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: I heard his story right, and I see it on TV.

451
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm like, all right, if your job,

452
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: if you could give up any advice, if you could

453
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: see if job Morant was sitting right here, and you

454
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: could give him any piece of advice, or you could

455
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: have a conversation with him, what was some of the

456
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: advice that you would share with him, Like, I would

457
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: tell him, like most of the people were in the

458
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: position here is right now, he got a chance to

459
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 1: set his family up for generations to come, not just him,

460
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: not just the next generation, his kids, kids, kids, right,

461
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: I would tell him, you know, just being a tough

462
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: guy on pay, you know, and having a gun. Sometimes

463
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: I used to tell people, you know, don't carry a

464
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: gun because it might force you somebody might force you

465
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: to shoot him. Because you're not gonna let nobody beat

466
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: you up with a gun on you, right, You're not

467
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: gonna be knocked out on the floor. You got this

468
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: one yet, You got you got that, eat that that

469
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: you know how you get that? Now It's like I

470
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: wish you would. Right, you know, you're a different person.

471
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: I've been that person, right, I'm I was a different

472
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: person when I had a gun on me, and to

473
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: the point where you know, I seen myself getting an

474
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: unnecessary ship that I would avoid it if I didn't

475
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 1: have it, right, So I didn't really like guns normally.

476
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: I mean normally, if you were worth two hundred million dollars,

477
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna try to hustle or you're not gonna

478
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: try to present yourself in that in that lifestyle. But

479
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: and that's why I think that's the thing where people

480
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: look at me, like, job, bro, you got a chance

481
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: to do something you like you said generation, you're talking

482
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: about five generations with account of money that he's he's

483
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: in line to get overs. I've seen the documentary. He

484
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: had his father in his life. Yeah, he had his

485
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: mother in his life. So now when I started to

486
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: see things like this, I'm questioned, like what a at

487
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: you know, not to say they're not in his life, right,

488
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: But I know when when when I started seeing my

489
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: son act up, I'm coming right, I'm what's what the

490
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: what's going on? Right? Like talk to me. But here's

491
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: the difference, and this is what I tell people. It's

492
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: like when the roles flip. When like when I was

493
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: combing up my grandfather and my grandmother said, I pay

494
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: the bills, you listen to me. But what happens when

495
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: the child starts paying the bills? Who listens to who? Now?

496
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: Where you live on the golf course, that's me. That

497
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: nice card that you drive, that's me. Those first class

498
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: seats and those those court side seats, that's me. So

499
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: can you talk to that child the same way and

500
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: he listens if the role because he's now in a

501
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: parent role, he's doing all the things that you normally

502
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: did for him. Right, So with me personally, I wouldn't

503
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: I love my son beyond money. My son can't pay

504
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: me to be submissive to him, to watch him crash

505
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: out right, Okay, So so I can't do nothing with

506
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: the money without him here, I mean, if I need

507
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: him here so we can enjoy it. Right, So I

508
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: don't think that ever happened with me? Right? So you

509
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: were shot twice, stabbed thirteen times right as you're lying there,

510
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 1: what's going on? Is your life like literally flashing before you? Guys, Like, man,

511
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: am I gonna make it? But some one time I

512
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: was One time I got stabbed. I didn't know I

513
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: was actually stabbed because I was too busy my gelman

514
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: and you're fighting and then you're like, oh snap, what's

515
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: what's my shirts sticking to me? And then you know,

516
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: my back sticking And then then it's like then when

517
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: you start seeing blood, then it's like your mind like, oh, okay,

518
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: I'm getting tired now. Right then, maybe if I didn't

519
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: see it then, but it happens, you know, it happens.

520
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: And when when when something like that happens, you just

521
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: gotta thank god you still here. Did you know you

522
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: had gotten shot? Yeah? Oh shot? Oh yeah, I definitely know.

523
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: I was. I called that on myself. I did. I did.

524
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: My brother got shot the day before, and I called myself, Yeah,

525
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: I call myself just doing something stupid and and and

526
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: and in the outcome, I got shot. Behind that I'm

527
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: reading your uh, your your son was a target and

528
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: a kidnapping. Yeah, what happened is what happened was uh,

529
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: I started, you know, doing the right thing? Are you

530
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: still doing the wrong thing? I was doing I was

531
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing, and and and and and a

532
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: close person wasn't wasn't was in prison, and they was

533
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: in prison with one of you know, a mutual friend,

534
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: and he was they was conspired. When I get home,

535
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: I heard he's got all the money on the street.

536
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: When I get home, you know, I want, I want.

537
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: We need to get his son. We need to get

538
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: his son. And in the person he said that too,

539
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: came and told me and and and you know, and

540
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: that was that nothing. You know, we just say we

541
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: stopped that. You took a plea deal, right, so what

542
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: so what what was the centers that they had had

543
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: you not taken a plea deal? So if I went

544
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: to trial and I blew trial, then I probably would

545
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: have got like, uh, maybe twenty years if you blow trial,

546
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: because you know, they stacked the charges out. Yeah, the

547
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: government really don't like you to fight. You fight them back, right,

548
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: they want they want you to. They put them up.

549
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: They know they're gonna get something. One of them gonna stick. Right.

550
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: So so at the end of the day, I took

551
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: the lesser charge for to be like, to be able

552
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: to you know, I could count the time. I'm like,

553
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: all right, what eight years? You do? Five? I could

554
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm so used to starting all over. It's normal to me, right,

555
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: like I never really have money issues, right, because it's

556
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: like it's as soon as I came outside, I just

557
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: figured I figured it out. So I'm like, well, five

558
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: years I could you know, I could come back and

559
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: start my life back over and and at that time,

560
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: I was on TV, so I didn't know if TV

561
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: was going to be there, but I knew that it

562
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: was open up doors for me, right, So I was like,

563
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: let's hurry up and get this over with, so I could,

564
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, get my life back together. So what do

565
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: you think about the situation? Though I don't know. I

566
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: know you, I don't know how much you know how

567
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: much you've read the situation that's going on in Atlanta

568
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: with the RICO on Gunna and why why you sail? Right?

569
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: Could what because like we were talking about earlier, what

570
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: is entertainment and what is reality? So how do how

571
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: does how can you say because I'm talking about you know,

572
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: captain Theirs and doing that, that that's reality, right? See,

573
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: I don't know they case right, And because I know

574
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: that successful black men become targets from the government because

575
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: of their influence in the company that they keep, right,

576
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: So I know that, But far as they case, I

577
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: don't know, and I wish them gods the best, you know,

578
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: I wish that they they they they have an opportunity,

579
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: the same opportunity John Marant have to to change to

580
00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: rewrite history in support their family, UH people and inspired

581
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: hoping the community right. So I hope they make out

582
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: the best. And I hope that everything that the media

583
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: is saying true because I know about the media twisting

584
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: things around to make it sound slacious enough to to

585
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: to to get a conviction. Because when when you when

586
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: you play with the media, the same people that's watching

587
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: the media is the jurist, right, So they're going off

588
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: with these newspaper they're going off for with all the

589
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: bad things, so they're not really taking an account of

590
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: your actions. It is basically who can prove their story? Right?

591
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: You when you cop the plea and it's like you

592
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: didn't get the amount of time that you could have

593
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: got gotten. The people think you read it dime snitched someone. Well,

594
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: I think for the for the people that's not educated

595
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: in the UH with the system. So if you if

596
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: if if you don't, if you don't, if you never

597
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: experienced this lifestyle, right and you're from the outside looking

598
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: in and you just looking at like a glampse of

599
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: the story. You make your own opinion. You're gonna formulate

600
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: your own opinion. But if you if you have a

601
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: loved one there, or you experience it, then you just

602
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: have to get more information. Right. That's just like me

603
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: make an opinion about why it's out. I can't make

604
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: an opinion because I don't know the story. So I

605
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I can't sit here and be like this

606
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: far as out could say they're innocent. You know you're

607
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: under saying and what they're convicted of just having money

608
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: and power. Money and powers is a drug and it

609
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: is dangerous and people don't like to want to see

610
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: you with that. So in my case, you know, people

611
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: I guess for the type of money I was getting,

612
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: they feel like I heard, that's not enough time. Right,

613
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 1: that's not enough time, right, you you was out there

614
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: killing it for too long. That's time. It's a time.

615
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: But a lot of times I kept people out of

616
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: my business. So even even the dealers I was doing,

617
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: you didn't know about them, right, or all you know

618
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: is about the Rolex, the nice cause, this and that,

619
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: But you don't know my dealings. So because they behind

620
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: closed doors, So you know that's it. So why are

621
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: we seeing so many rappers going to PRIs put his rico?

622
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: How are they able to just slap that reco charge on?

623
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: Because the rico and conspiracy is is about affiliation, right

624
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: and as long as as long as we affiliated together,

625
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: Uh just say you you I'm I'm an artist, your

626
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: street guy. You you come to me telling me about

627
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: your problems. If I give you one advice, then that's

628
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: a rico. Yeah, we conspiracy. I can't give you advice.

629
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: We and we ain't even really supposed to be hanging out, right.

630
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: But you gotta understand for for a lot of guys

631
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: that made it have a sense of loyalty for the

632
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: people they come up with, and just because they made it,

633
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: they don't they're not going to band the ones that

634
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: was there for them, you know. And and in every

635
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: sense of of me being through that, that's why I

636
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: moved from New York to Atlanta, because I knew I

637
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: had so many down people for me and I just

638
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: didn't want to be around that no more, you know,

639
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: And and loved ones. I love them like I love

640
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: them like we go out to eat and they're gonna

641
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna pull up, you know what I'm saying. So,

642
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: but they that's theay life. It's not my life no more,

643
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, so I have to separate that. Man. I'm looking.

644
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: Prison wasn't too bad for you, bro, I mean, your

645
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: right what I feel today. So so I went I

646
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: went through. I went through prison not only as a

647
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: kingpin but a reality TV star. Yeah right, So you

648
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: know when I went to the white prison, you know,

649
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: the CEOs hated on me, right or the guy with

650
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: the white teeth and and the gouy on TMZ and

651
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: this and that, and they hate was go get that

652
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: garbage and mister Harris, take that garbage and take it

653
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: to the top of the hill and laughter. They thing

654
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: right now, I'd be like, you know, I'll courage to

655
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: say signing up my breath, and I wouldn't do it right.

656
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: So they call itself discipline me. But when I go

657
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: when I moved to the camp, now, the federal camp

658
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: don't have no gates around people getting furloughs. Furloughs if

659
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: you could go home for twenty eight hours, I mean

660
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: forty eight hours and stuff like that. And it's black people,

661
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: young black people, hip hop people. So they're like, yo,

662
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: looks up, man, Yo, you wanna go to a concert? Here,

663
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna I'm gonna call Remy mar Let you go

664
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: to Remy mall because she's performing in Atlantic City. And pappoos,

665
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: let one of my the CEOs on my unit come

666
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: to the concert. So he go to the concerts, he'll

667
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: come back like, go on your locker, be popas of lobster,

668
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: all types of stuff. Then then then it used to

669
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: be like here, man, here's your phone, so somebody call you,

670
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: and and I'd be like, yo, listen, stop bringing me

671
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: the phone in front of everybody. Right, So you know,

672
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: it was very, very very very relaxed in that sense.

673
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: But at the same time, one of the hardest things

674
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: I had to deal with is, you know, watching my

675
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: kids grow up through prison, right, So you know, nothing

676
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: superseded that right there. I think for me that was

677
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: the hardest part. In every every visit, my kid could

678
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: ask me, Dad, when you're coming home? Right, when you're

679
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: coming home? When you come home? And every time I

680
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: said soon. Soon they got to a point where they

681
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: got tired of here, and soon they want to annoy

682
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: a date. Did you ever did you ever tell don't

683
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: bring it back. I don't want to see I don't

684
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: want him to see me like this. I don't want

685
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: to see him bad. No, I think I never said

686
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: that because I still wanted that connection right, and I

687
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: still wanted to be involved in their life as as

688
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: as much as possible, because I see when when men

689
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: not involved in their children life, sometimes a kid be bitter, right,

690
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, they feel that they have that benement issues.

691
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to re ensure my kids that

692
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: I love them right, and anything I could do from

693
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: them from there was just sound advice or a gift

694
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: or something to ease the pain. I want to make

695
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: sure I do that. And you know, my children mother

696
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: and mother's and my wife, they did a great job

697
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: of keeping that connection. Well, well, it's difficult to see

698
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: your wife on the internet. I mean you in jail

699
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: and you yeah, every damn I'm you know, I'm on

700
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: the toiler in the bathroom looking through a g and

701
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm watching her Dubai. I'm watching her live her life

702
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: and I'm wow, Wow, I need you, I need you home,

703
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: I need you miserable waiting on me to come back.

704
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: So so I'm like, why are you going to all

705
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: these places without me. We're supposed to have this experience together, right, right,

706
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: So I'm the hating and I'm toiling. I was a

707
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: big hater right then. Then I said, you know, forget

708
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: this phone. I'll go to my bed and just push, push,

709
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: push my bed and like when I get out, I'm

710
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: going to all these places. Right listen, come, I'm like,

711
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: even you're coming down, you're gonna watch me go like

712
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm going right, And I fulfill that. I went to Dubai.

713
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: I've been in Africa a few times, and you know

714
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: I've been to I got my passports stamped up. So

715
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: it was one of the promises that I made was

716
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: to see the world because because you know, we Hollom

717
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: was our that was our world, right, we didn't really

718
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: know too much. It was outside of hallm So man

719
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: is a big world out there. So anything anything pop

720
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: up in prison, like you like, man, I gotta watch

721
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: my back. I gotta make oo. I mean, I had

722
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: some some people that I was jealous because they just

723
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: how I was living in there, right, you know, you

724
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: know they felt like I was getting specially treatment. They

725
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, yeah, it wasna feel some type

726
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: of way. But I feel like I feel like, don't

727
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: be a hater, like be apart, like joint. Come on,

728
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: come on, man, get your plate, come come eat with me. Right,

729
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: you ain't got it like it's enough for everybody, and

730
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: I would make it enough for everybody, so you know it,

731
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: but you have some people. I ain't no goopie, that's

732
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: the first thing. But when someone wanted, they don't. They

733
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: might be a fan, but they rather not be a groupie.

734
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: Right then then it looked like a fan. Well you

735
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: know what, That's one thing I can say about you

736
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: that you real because when I reached out to you,

737
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: and that's like, brou can I send you? Can I

738
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: send you something? Like? Oh yeah, bro, I love to

739
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: I want to try it. And then I mean we

740
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: hadn't really at that point in time, we had never met.

741
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: I just said, can I send you this? And that's

742
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: all I said, Can I see you this? I want

743
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: you to try? You're like yeah. And then next thing,

744
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: I know you at the Mayor's ball and you posted it. Right,

745
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, what I said, bro? He said, I

746
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: want to see I want to see you'll succeed. Right,

747
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: And first I'm a fan, right, I think that I

748
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: think you're super dope. I think that you know sometimes

749
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: you gotta not sometimes all the time. You should be

750
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: confident in who you are to be given another man

751
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: his flowers and tell another man you don't you know

752
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: you you you, what you did and which your accompass

753
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: is very inspiring. And if I can be a little

754
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: piece of help or to assist you, to promote you

755
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: to do anything and cost me nothing to shout you

756
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: out and support you, why don't we do that enough?

757
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: Why us? I'm talking about us. This is a conversation

758
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: between you and our black man, the black man. Why

759
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: is it that we can't see that? Why can't well?

760
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: And sometimes I read a quote this says, jealousy sometimes

761
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: isn't about somebody you having something that somebody else wants.

762
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes jealousy is about them not wanting you to have

763
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: it at all. Right, I think we do too much

764
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: for competing with each other, right right? We think that

765
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's not enough for all of us to eat,

766
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: but it is, it is, it's putting money out there.

767
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think, I think a lot

768
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: of people got like trauma and they they how they

769
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: was raised or grew up there they everything is like this.

770
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: They don't know if you know, if you give, God

771
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: gonna bless you, right, right, So they like everything like this,

772
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: They holding on that everything. They want everything for themselves.

773
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: But you know, when you give and you're able to

774
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: change people lives and and put food on people's table

775
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: or create opportunities, that's a different type of love, different

776
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: type of respect. So you know, I don't know, man,

777
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: I encourage every I don't like stinking selfish people around me.

778
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: I tell you, if I figured if I started to

779
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: see them traiting you, I get away from you real quick. Wow.

780
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: So what would what would? What was the prison fool like?

781
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: It was disgusting? It was, it was, it was. It

782
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: was definitely definitely disgusting. But again when I got to

783
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: the to New Jersey Farrington and camp, we had black cooks.

784
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: They put the season in on, right, they put the

785
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: season in on it. So you know, again, you know,

786
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: for someone that that they don't have a family, that

787
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: don't have anything going on, I'm pretty sure it's easy

788
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: for them, right. It's a mental thing, right. And then

789
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: once you once you get into prison and you saw

790
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: I started to see a lot of young black brothers

791
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: in there, that lost so many years in prison for

792
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: the smallest crime you can imagine, and they lost, they

793
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: hold they lost twenty years, right, And I started to

794
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: see that prison is a business, right you know. They

795
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: warehouse people and put people to work to make five

796
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: dollars a month, ten dollars a month, where where now

797
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: they don't even have enough money to call a family.

798
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: They don't have enough money for commissary, don't have it

799
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: costs money they send an email. Right. So you know

800
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: when you think about the the tell the self, the

801
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: phones and and and all of commissary and stuff. They're

802
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: making a lot of money off these people. And every time,

803
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: every time people get out, you notice they do big indictments,

804
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: big indictments because they got to fill these prisons back up.

805
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: They don't want these prisons empty, right, they don't want

806
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: them empty. Yeah. And I got a chance to work,

807
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: uh in Unicorn, and I was working cleaning eighteen T

808
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: products right right, And I'm like that eighteen T is

809
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: profiting off of prison. And you think about all the

810
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: big companies that's profit of for predict, they complain about

811
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: people going overseas, but them slave wages. But we got

812
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: it right here in this country right, and everybody's turning

813
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: a blind eye. Nobody cares until it hit home. Then

814
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: whence they hit home, then then all of a sudden

815
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: they started to care. But you know what, man, what

816
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't understand is that guys will go to prison

817
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: and work for a dollar hour or seventy five cents

818
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: or two thousan an hour, But say, nah, I want

819
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: no job at McDonald's making fifteen thous an hour and

820
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: you be free. Now you make two dollars an hour

821
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: incarcerated and you're not free. They tell you when to go,

822
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: where to go, with time to get up, what time

823
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: to go to bed for two dollars an hour, but

824
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: you don't want to work for fifteen dollars McDonald That's

825
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: that's beneath them. What's that mentality? What's that mice? I

826
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: think that's social pressure, social pressure of God's want and

827
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: be the man right, and they feel like they can

828
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: never they're never gonna succeed getting fifteen dollars an hour.

829
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: When you have the movies that we watch, El Chopoles

830
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: and The King of New York and all that, they're

831
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: ready to take that route. Then to be with a

832
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: mop in a boom for the next five or ten

833
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: years or to something. You know, it's it's uncomfortable right

834
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: for them, and they don't they they for me, there's

835
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: a lot of challenges. They just got to challenge it, right,

836
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: I see. Uh. For the next two times he brought

837
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: diamond cuff links. He said he wanted it to remind

838
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: him of where he's been and that he's never going back.

839
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: What do you think about that symbolism. I don't want

840
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: nothing to remind me. You can keep all that shit. Listen.

841
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: I don't want no cuffs. I don't want no khakis.

842
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: I don't want nothing like you know, it's so crazy

843
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: because I ain't boyd listen, dumb memories is in the past.

844
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: And the only thing that I wish, you know, not

845
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: even I wish I'm inspired to do, is to stop

846
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: people from going there, right right, So and tell young

847
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: brothers that's you know that I looked that could have

848
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: been me, Like, that's not the way to go, you know.

849
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: So I do the mentorship. I go into schools, I

850
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: even go into prison, right and and who who can

851
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: they believe to tell a story but me? Right? You know,

852
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: I lived at at a high level. So if I

853
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: can tell you your outcome. Don't don't go, don't go

854
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: get the outcome right, learn from me, right, you know.

855
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: And and I think that I'm able to reach him,

856
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: and I'm going to continue to reach as many as

857
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: I can. Took courses in prison, and it took every

858
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: I took every program. That's how that's how I got

859
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: through my days. I took every class that I can take, right,

860
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: So I wanted to work on I wanted to take

861
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: that time and do something useful for me. It was

862
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: to learn, and you know, just for me, it was

863
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: like college, right. So I never got a chance to

864
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: I got a GD. I never got a chance to

865
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: finish school. But I got my GD. So that my

866
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: my my time in prison, and it was to learn

867
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: as much as I can learn, not to make this

868
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: dead time, idle time I'm just sitting around learn and

869
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: also reflect on the decisions I made and also figure

870
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: out how to make better decisions. So you know, when

871
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: when you're there, your whole life flashed behind you. Right,

872
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: And you always say that if I did this is different?

873
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: How did this is different? Did you? So? Do you? Did?

874
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: You have a lot of like thinking about because they

875
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: say a prison okay, there's two ways of looking at prison,

876
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: the actual facility in what you're in and your mind

877
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: being incarcerrated. If that, when the mind gets incarcerrated, is

878
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: where people do bad things to themselves and maybe do

879
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: bad things to other people. So did you ever a lot?

880
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: Did you ever allow yourself to like, man, I mean

881
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: five years And you know you say that's not a

882
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: lot of time, but five years of a lot of

883
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: time when you can't go and come as you please.

884
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: But see five, I said five years not a lot

885
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: of time, because if I said I had a fifteen

886
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: year run, right, and I tell you everything that happened

887
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: to me in that fifteen years, five years not a

888
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: lot of time. Oh okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah,

889
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm saying yeah. So so man,

890
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: I remember the pandemic, Man DC, Man, I'll lose my

891
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: mind inside and I could still get my car, drive

892
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: out of pre where I couldn't go in a restaurant

893
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: and not listen, Man, try to sleep on the floor.

894
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: That's hard. That's how the bed feels, right. So for

895
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: the pandemic, I was home in the pandemic, and I

896
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: got a California King right. I was good right there.

897
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: So I got the remote California King, got the kids,

898
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: the dog. I was chilling. When you got out, you

899
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: had a financial well seminar call from prison sale to

900
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: living well. What made you decide to do that? Because

901
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: when I first came out of prison, right, and and

902
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, I never been through prison, so I never experienced,

903
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, the aftermath, the part like things that I

904
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: couldn't do, Like I couldn't get I had money coming out.

905
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't get a car because I can't

906
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: enter a contract. No banks wanted my money because they

907
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: figure he's going money launder, right, So when when you

908
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: when you when you look up the case and you

909
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: see millions of dollars, they said, oh, he's going to

910
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: run millions of dollars to a bank. And you know,

911
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: we we don't we don't want that attention, you know.

912
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: So I had nowhere to put my money. I had

913
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 1: a great accounting that when I was in prison, moved

914
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: my money to Canada. That's the only that was the

915
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: only person that was the only place I could was

916
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: willing to take my money in Canada. And when I

917
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: came home, I started trying to trying to get buy

918
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: a house. The house I live in now was going

919
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: to buy the house, and and I had alert the

920
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: back office, and I slid underneath the radar. But as

921
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: soon as I alert the back office, they kicked my

922
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: money straight on out. So it was like it was

923
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: like only through relationships and network, I was able to

924
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: re establish myself in the support system. Right, So I

925
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: had I had, I had a job, I had valuging

926
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: for me. I had I had that support that that

927
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: made it easy. But I was more concerned how how

928
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: I got in that program. It's the people that don't

929
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: have the support what that looked like for them. And

930
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: and you know, I was losing holpe at one point, right,

931
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: So I can imagine someone with no support how they

932
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: losing hope and then they end up doing what they

933
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: was doing before they got in there, because they they

934
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: they they went through all their remedies and it led

935
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: them back to a square one. And that's my question

936
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: to you, how do we keep man that looked like

937
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: you and I from going And if they do go,

938
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: how do we keep it from going back? I think

939
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: programs more people like myself, like you speaking up even

940
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: though that's not your your world but you're still You're

941
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: still a great example for a man in in in

942
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: in inspiring. So people just being you know, a mentor

943
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: and able to you don't People don't know how impactful

944
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: their voices by just giving it to a kid, even

945
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: grown men, right, because I see grown men ask for advice, right,

946
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, just because someone is older mentally, they're not mature.

947
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: You see men that that's that's still children because they

948
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: never got that chance to grow up. They still stuck.

949
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: Do you run into it? And what I've run into

950
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: sometimes is that sometimes we are too pride for to ask. Absolutely.

951
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: I used to be like that, right, I used to

952
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: I used to be the one that had it all

953
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: figured out, right. I used to be so reserved. I

954
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: mean I never used to even talk to people, right right,

955
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: So you know I never had a personality, right right,

956
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: So I just say what's up, you know, and keep

957
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: it moving whatever. And my wife helped me with that.

958
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: She said, men, you gotta start talking to people because

959
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: you got this beautiful personality in the house with us

960
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: and the kids and people you comfortable with. But you

961
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in his box. You're gonna you're gonna

962
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: miss the opportunity and making some really good friends and

963
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: some really good connections. If you don't talk right because

964
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: these trust issues, you're thinking, you know, the corny ship.

965
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: We think that people really laugh at us and play.

966
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: You know, I just did a mean Cameron just did

967
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: a tap dance, right, So I ain't know how to

968
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: tap dance, but we figured it out and you know,

969
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: people was gonna be laughing at it, but we had

970
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: a good time, and that we wasn't at that time.

971
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: I wasn't worrying about people laughing. I would just wanted

972
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: to focus on us having a good time. So how

973
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: long after you got out did it take you to

974
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: get your money straight? Because I read that you had

975
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: to give up one hundred and seventy thousand that you

976
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: had earned from the reality show to make restitution. It

977
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: wasn't really restitution right, what it was it was if

978
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: you want to get out on bell, well, you could

979
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: do two things right. You're given You can even tell

980
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: us who got some money, or you could give us

981
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: some money. I said I'll give you my money. So

982
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: they wanted you to die or somebody. So those are

983
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: two options. You can even tell us who got money,

984
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: or you could give us some money, and I went

985
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: with the option of, well, you know, if if you

986
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: if if I get out on bel I'll forfeit any

987
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: money that I make right from TV, whatever the case

988
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,479
Speaker 1: may be, I'll forfeit. But then it give me time

989
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: to uh, to just make these adjustments before I know,

990
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm coming back, right And I had a call for

991
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: my lawyer telling me, you know, you don't have to

992
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: come back. I said, no, I'm coming back. You know

993
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm coming back because this is going

994
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: to be a short period of my life that should

995
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: be all behind me and I want it done with.

996
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: So you know, I had a chance to at this time,

997
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: married my wife. I had a chance to have a daughter,

998
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: h just you know, extend my family. I had a

999
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: chance to make U to fortify the relationship with me

1000
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: and my mom's and and and beat it for my

1001
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: brother and mentally just prepared them for what's to come.

1002
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: I know you can't prepare for it, but by having

1003
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: these conversations, in these discussions to let them know, like listen,

1004
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: I love you. Had you told who had who, who

1005
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: had the money, you will have paperwork, right, So if

1006
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: you tell, like okay, Shannon got baked Shannon running this

1007
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: and all that. No, you don't need that. No, from

1008
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: from what I hear, you don't even need that really right, no,

1009
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: to to to start an investigation. You don't need to

1010
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: have anything on. You just need to know your name

1011
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: pretty much. And and that's that's their job. That's not

1012
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: your job. You hear, you hear a lot of women,

1013
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: and I've heard this. I'm ride or die hey up

1014
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: down side, side, back, front back, I'm a rider, die hey.

1015
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: We get this hide roller coaster, your boy, I'm your

1016
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: woman there with you if we died here? Yeah, and

1017
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: the ride a dipper? Real right? She she did that?

1018
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: Not listen she she You know, the easy to think

1019
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: about that is in the beginning, I ain't think she

1020
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: could do it right because I know how how clingy

1021
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: she was. Right, and prior to me having this case,

1022
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up watching my friends go to

1023
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: prison and they used to be stressing over a girl,

1024
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, yo, do your time, stop worrying

1025
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: about it. So I vowed to never be dumb, right,

1026
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: just because I had that chip on my shoulder and

1027
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: I had trusted you. So when I when I was

1028
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: on my way to prison. I was like, listen, just

1029
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: be my friend, right, because I don't want you to

1030
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: have these I don't want to have these expectations and

1031
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: get let down because I've been I've been let down

1032
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: my whole life. Right. I had expectations, and everyone I

1033
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: had expectations let me down and I didn't. I didn't

1034
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: want this relationship ruined. Did you tell her that? I

1035
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: told you that, But did you really mean? I didn't

1036
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: mean it. I didn't mean I mean it. I wanted

1037
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: to see if she take the exit, right, Like, like

1038
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: if he given me a i'ma take it. Sometimes you

1039
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: give someone out and see if they take it. Yeah,

1040
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: and if they take it, that's what they really want

1041
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: to out right. But but but that you give it

1042
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: to them, right, and she didn't take it that. I

1043
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: was happy she didn't take it, But I felt like,

1044
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: as being responsible and being realistic, I had to give

1045
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: her out right. Man, I'm looking at me. You handle

1046
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: over a lot of two out of the eight one

1047
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy thousand cash and then you're like, hey,

1048
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build it. I'm gonna build it right back up, right, Listen,

1049
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: I told you it's starting a lover. It's normal to me,

1050
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, like when you're a hustler, you take losses,

1051
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: you go right back, you get right back, you get

1052
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: right back. It's in you, it ain't on you, you know.

1053
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: So my mentality is just just open these gates. I

1054
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: figured the rest out. I mean, she was on the

1055
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: front line when she's a pro chester in humane conditions.

1056
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: Uh she got pepper sprayed in the process. I mean, ruh,

1057
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: you got a real listen. That was crazy because I

1058
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: asked her like, why are you doing that? Like I

1059
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: because I'm in the inside, and I was worried for her,

1060
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: and she was like, that could have been you and there,

1061
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: that could have been you living in them conditions. Right,

1062
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: So again it hit close to home, right. So you know,

1063
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: with Yanny being an activist, at first I didn't get

1064
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: it because I thought, you know, I'm so used to

1065
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: fighting for people we know, not fighting for people we

1066
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: don't know. But I get it now. I'm just trying

1067
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: to figure this. I've been around you a little while

1068
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: and you're very soft spoken. You don't say a whole lot.

1069
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean you speak when spoken to, but you're not

1070
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: a confrontational individual. And a lot of times to be

1071
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: on reality, it requires you to get out of your

1072
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: get out of character. Well I did one time with

1073
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: the gym. I don't know if you missed that, with

1074
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: the guy and the gym that was taking up her cousin. Yeah,

1075
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: so that was that was one time, and that was

1076
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: a valid reason, you know. But my demeanor is what

1077
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: it is in real life. Yeah with the camera, right,

1078
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't like to argue. I'm not trying to fight nobody,

1079
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: and that's just what it is. Well, how do you

1080
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: make it work? Because a lot of these shows are

1081
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: predicated and they get the better reddings when someone gets

1082
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: out of character, and you simular with the exception of

1083
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: that one time, you stay in character. But I think

1084
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: they got they got enough people for that, right, right,

1085
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: And they got people. That's the thing, you know, that's

1086
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: that's the thing is. You know, they don't know how

1087
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: to control the emotions. You know. I had to control

1088
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: my emotions, you know, I played with my life. So

1089
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: when when these people getting out of character and not

1090
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: controlling emotions, it lives and it dies there me, it

1091
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: goes a whole nother direction. Right. I don't want that, right,

1092
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: so let's not go there. I don't. I do not want.

1093
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't want no smoke because smoke we can't come

1094
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: back from right. I don't want that. You have kids

1095
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: from two I don't want to use the BM word,

1096
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: but you have kids. It's from two different women and

1097
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: one of the your kids mom yany cousin beat up

1098
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: for so? So how how was that? So? So? What

1099
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: what did you say? Like why y'all, why y'all do this? So? So?

1100
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: You know how when you remove the man, the father,

1101
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: everything good? Chaos? Yeah, you know, it's normal order, some

1102
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: more structure. So I know once I left, it's gonna

1103
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: fall apart, right, and I just I was just hoping

1104
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: that it didn't. It didn't go too crazy. But as

1105
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: soon as I get back, everything back to normal, right.

1106
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: You know, we got everybody got a great relationship. Apologies

1107
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: was accepted. You know, we like we we had each

1108
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: other house cookouts, is everything is is back in order.

1109
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: I like the fact that you're very active in your

1110
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: kid's life, all of your kids. And I read what

1111
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: you told one of your one of your kids moms

1112
00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: that you're not going to turn me into a week

1113
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: get dad, right. I'm every day I'm here, I'm being

1114
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: constant communication with my child and there's nothing you can

1115
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: do about it. Even though we're not together. We're together.

1116
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: What because I again, if I, if I couldn't go

1117
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: back in history and change my life, I could take

1118
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: part in his life and make sure that he doesn't

1119
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: he does the right thing. You never want your kids

1120
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: to experience what you experience, right, so you know, and

1121
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: for me, you know, that's my greatest accomplishment. You know,

1122
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: if I never did nothing right, I did that right right.

1123
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: You know, when did you realize obviously yandys stood by you,

1124
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: But when did you realize was it that when you

1125
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: came out and she was still waiting for you, that

1126
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: she through the process right? So she never wait? She

1127
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: she come visit. She was coming to visit, uh every

1128
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: week in the beginning, then be two weeks and then

1129
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: she she would fly back, have an event and didn't

1130
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: even get no sleep and go straight on the highway

1131
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: to come visit me, bring the kids. The kids is sleepy,

1132
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: the weave is almost off, the makeup. And just to

1133
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: sit there from with me for like five six hours,

1134
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: not nor of sleep, but just to make sure that

1135
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: we keep our connection and also I keep the connection

1136
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: with the kids. Wow, you mentioned that you saw you

1137
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: saw her going he was in Dubai and then you

1138
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: ended up you guys got married in Dubai. Yeah, yeah,

1139
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: what was that? What was that moment? Like when she said,

1140
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: let's have a destination wedding. The first thing I said,

1141
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be expensive. Yeah, right, So I'm like, oh

1142
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: my god, destination. You mean we had like about sixty

1143
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: seventy people come. So I'm thinking, like, well, who's paying

1144
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: for all this? Right? Right? Because me, I'm very calculated

1145
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: when it comes to spending my money now, right, so

1146
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: you know I'm not in the streets no more. So

1147
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm very calculated. So I'm thinking, like, you know, with Yandy,

1148
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, she she she don't give me no breaks.

1149
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: The day that I was paying bills at some point

1150
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: from prison, right, I'm not a single mother. You know

1151
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna help me. And then the day I got out,

1152
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: I think she gave me like three or four days off,

1153
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: and then I think the first was coming up and

1154
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: she was like, because yeah, I got the first yep.

1155
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: I got out on the twenty ninth January twenty ninth.

1156
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: By the first of February, probably two or three days.

1157
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: She's like, hey, let's talk about these bills. I'm like, what,

1158
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: you didn't give me a chance, Like I didn't even

1159
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: get the jill food out my system yet, I got

1160
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: I still got jill food in my in my stomach.

1161
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: Let me shoot down, like, come on, like like my

1162
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: my back still hurt from se let me get a

1163
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: little comfortable, like, and also, what's my plan? Right? Right?

1164
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: I gotta have a plan. My plan was in the order, right, so,

1165
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: and I know sometimes it takes money to make money,

1166
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: So let me figure out how I'm gonna flip this

1167
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: before you just take it, all right, And she was like,

1168
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: you'll figure it out. Nobody gives me a break. You listen,

1169
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: you've been figuring out. You ain't gonna never stop figuring out, right.

1170
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: So that's that's her mentality. Your first tattoo for your

1171
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: wife name person only tattoo? What made you decide to

1172
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: get that? Because at that point, right, I never believed

1173
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: in getting tattoos. I don't follow trends. You know, something

1174
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: you put on you, it's going to be with you

1175
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: today you die, right, And I think at that point,

1176
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: I thought, I mean, this woman like relationship is slid, right,

1177
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: even even if we go separate ways. One day when

1178
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: I loved her, I loved her, right, and she means

1179
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: something to me. And so you know, if I if I,

1180
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: if I love enough to marry her, then I love

1181
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: enough to get a tattoo. Right, So that that was

1182
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: the decision. I mean you no, I'm I'm They hurt,

1183
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: They hurt. They hurt the hurt worst getting stabbed. I

1184
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: got stabbed, didn't even feel get I got shot them.

1185
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: Tattoos hurt. Many don't hurt. Man, they don't hurt. To listen, yeah,

1186
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: Tim get stabbed up a few times and shot didn't

1187
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: do the comparison. You mentioned that you left New York

1188
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: and moved to Atlanta. Right, you wanted a fresh start, right,

1189
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: you know what it is. I wanted. I want the

1190
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: opportunity to try to focus on my family. Right. I

1191
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: didn't want no distractions. I want to change my environment

1192
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: and just have that. Right. I want to work in family.

1193
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: I didn't want no hanging out. You know, I can't

1194
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: to Atlanta. I ain't hang out. I still don't hang out.

1195
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: So you know it's is work and family and and

1196
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: and I've been had a place down there since two

1197
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: thousand and three. So I always knew, like you know,

1198
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: we have Harlem is is like the Mecca, but Atlanta

1199
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: is like Black Hollywood. Yeah right, so, and the thing

1200
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: the thing I love about Atlanta is I've never seen

1201
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: so many black entrepreneurs in my life, right, and I

1202
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 1: never you know, I lived in Jersey and we see

1203
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,959
Speaker 1: a lot of white people who need these big homes.

1204
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: But in Atlanta, we see all black people who need

1205
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: these big homes. And now that's something good for the

1206
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: kids to see, you know, and that that that that

1207
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: gives them hope, is inspiring and everything. So I said,

1208
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: that's what I'm going. Glad you made that decision to

1209
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: relocate to Atlanta. Yeah, listen, were thriving right now. Should

1210
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: actually today are closed on two properties they uh single

1211
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: multi million dollar builts that I'm doing right in Buckhead.

1212
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: I own a whole block in Atlanta. So my real

1213
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: estate is is booming because Atlanta so many people moving

1214
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: down and making it crazy and there's not enough inventory, right,

1215
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: So you can sit and watch or you can participate

1216
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: and develop. And so we just I just started developing.

1217
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: You've got real estate restaurant, which you didn't take me

1218
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: to last time. I was home. I don't know why

1219
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: you didn't. I don't want people to bother you with

1220
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: the pictures. So one day, when when it's when it's chill,

1221
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna go over and not making something to hold

1222
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: that door because the women in there, man, they get me,

1223
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: so I can imagine I'm gonna get you. So what's

1224
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 1: the next from NDCs? Uh? Next? I got a first

1225
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: look deal with with Viscom to produce TV show. I

1226
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: started already thinking about what's my life after? Because eventually

1227
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: love and hip hop got to be over? Right, So

1228
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: I started thinking about how far can I go and entertainment?

1229
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: And I see the real money isn't isn't in casting

1230
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: put getting a great cast. You can have any show,

1231
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: but the cast that's make the show successful, right right.

1232
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: So I'm outside and with with people that I see

1233
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: that potentially could be great cast. So that's the direction

1234
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: where I want to go when that door closed. But

1235
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: my main thing is and I just think it's sweet.

1236
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: It's real estate. Ain't that Realatant? Real estate? Really? Ain't

1237
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: nothing realatant real estate? You know? I think people always

1238
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: gonna need somewhere to live, right, and then when that

1239
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: person dies, someone else moving the house, right, So you

1240
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: know the way the market is right now, you just

1241
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: gotta capitalize, right, You just gotta network capitalized, find find

1242
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: your way and believe in yourself and and bed on yourself. Right, Bro,

1243
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by. I mean your story from where

1244
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: you came, from your upbringing, trial, the tribulations that you

1245
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: went through in the middle to where you came. I'm

1246
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: gonna the other side. It's seeming lit with flying colors,

1247
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: but we know there was a lot of hardship in

1248
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: getting to where you are now. And you look at

1249
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: what you've been able to do. You have a very

1250
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: loving family, you have a thriving business, and it's still

1251
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: onward and upwards. So I appreciate your story. Congrats on everything, bro, Yeah,

1252
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I'll see you divor rope all right.

1253
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: All my life and grinding all my life sacrifice, hustle

1254
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: back price, wanna slice? Got the bronder dice to swap

1255
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: all my life? I've been grinding all my life, all

1256
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: my life, the grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle back Prices,

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Speaker 1: want a slice? Got the broner dice to swap all

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Speaker 1: my life? I've been grinding in all my life,