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Speaker 4: Well he filled in for me last week.

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Speaker 2: Popular talk show host in Chicago, Really talented guy, Danny

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Speaker 2: parkins a lot him pop his book later. Although he

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Speaker 2: doesn't need my okay to do that. I thought i'd

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Speaker 2: bring him on. It's you know, it's an interesting time.

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Speaker 2: I sort of have a rule, Danny, you and I

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Speaker 2: both do volume work or on the treadmill. When you

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Speaker 2: do three and four and five hours. I mean local radio.

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Speaker 2: A lot of shifts is yours four hours? Is that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, two to six pm Central, so four hours a day,

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Speaker 4: five days a week. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's the opposite of Tom Ronaldi, who does a remarkably

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Speaker 2: poignant piece once, you know, fifteen times a year. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: I'm so jealous of these people that gotta do these

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Speaker 2: master pieces on the air, and you and I are

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Speaker 2: on the treadmill half the time, just trying not to

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Speaker 2: Twitter after a cocktail or after a tragedy because you're

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Speaker 2: too emotional and it just gets You're gonna say stuff

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Speaker 2: that you're like, I'm gonna bow out. And it was

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Speaker 2: interesting during the assassination attempt of Trump, I just had

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Speaker 2: I don't watch a ton of television outside of sports

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Speaker 4: What was your reaction and how did you react? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So I've got a four and a two year old,

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think my take on opinion on

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Speaker 4: it's like, are you if I say what I feel?

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Speaker 4: And who is really changing their minds anymore? And so

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Speaker 4: what's the upside of sharing it? I have found myself

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Speaker 4: more likely to have a conversation with my wife, with

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Speaker 4: consume all of the content. But I have definitely dialed

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Speaker 4: it back a little bit, at least on the Internet,

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Speaker 4: think the upside is so limited. Yeah, you know, and

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Speaker 4: I it's really interesting. So I generally agree with you

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Speaker 4: that I always I remember during a time when John

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Speaker 4: the daily ratings and they would come down and down

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Speaker 4: and down, and I'm thought, man, there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: platforms to talk about this, probably not on your ESPN show.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of where I come down. Is the

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Speaker 2: And you know, Danny, I've always said this, if I

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Speaker 2: is now. If I just did television, it would be different.

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Speaker 2: is sort of a disadvantage. But be that as it may,

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Speaker 2: I do every platform. I would react differently. If I

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Speaker 2: the volume and did this, I would probably talk more nonsports.

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Speaker 2: Is that I do believe that there's a responsibility. Nobody

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Speaker 2: turns to Sean Hannity for football picks. I do believe

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Speaker 2: I do think young people feel peer pressure. I don't,

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Speaker 2: but young people feel like, well, will I get respect

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Speaker 2: I don't feel that.

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Speaker 4: I don't give a damn.

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Speaker 2: But if you ever felt some pressure among other young,

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Speaker 4: My age. Definitely, And I mean listen, like, there's there's

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Speaker 4: like I got some responsibility to say it. Yeah, you know, like,

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to mention it much on my local

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Speaker 4: going to grandstand. I'm not gonna take calls. I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to do an hour on an assassination attempt. I

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Speaker 4: do local radio. I live in the suburbs of Chicago.

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Speaker 4: I was at the Fourth of July Parade next to

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Speaker 4: inexact science. Man, there's no there's no great answers. But

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Speaker 4: I didn't say anything with the assassination attempt on Twitter

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of how And I do think I

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna wait for Danny on Sunday Night to talk

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Speaker 2: an America fan, and that's that's where I land on

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Speaker 2: this stuff. And it pissed me off at the Secret services,

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Speaker 2: you know, having two buildings one hundred and fifty yards

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Speaker 2: away with all the you know, the rifles. Today, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: what an egregious you know, lack of forecasting by this

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Speaker 2: to myself for a second, Danny if I may I thought,

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Speaker 2: I thought, no, eight, I remember Reagan and Gerald Ford,

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Speaker 2: I've always been surprised and hasn't. To be honest with you, athletes,

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Speaker 2: there's mental illness issues. Guns are everywhere. I am always

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Speaker 2: like when I go to games, I'm like strangely vigilant

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Speaker 4: That kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I think my initial my initial take was I

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Speaker 2: what was yours?

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Speaker 2: Today, you know, I had a scheduled dinner. I hung

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Speaker 4: Wrigley Field from the fire escape, So I'm a North

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00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 4: Sider going to Wrigley It was the stereotype of mom

431
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 4: and dad taking you out of school on Opening Day

432
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 4: to go to the game. I was at the one

433
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 4: game that Michael Jordan played in a major league stadium

434
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 4: when he was on the Birmingham Barons, which was at

435
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 4: Wrigley Field and a Crosstown Classic in an exhibition game.

436
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 4: So like, the blending of basketball and baseball in Chicago

437
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 4: in the mid to late nineties was my main thing.

438
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 4: And while I loved the NFL. My mom is from

439
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: Kansas City and a Chiefs fan. My dad was from

440
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 4: the South side of Milwaukee and a Packer fan. There

441
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 4: wasn't really a Bears influence in my house, and so

442
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 4: when the NFL Sunday ticket came out, my parents were

443
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 4: like the first people to get it because they're like,

444
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 4: we got to watch our teams. They're not on TV here,

445
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 4: this is amazing. So when I was a kid, I thought, well,

446
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 4: the Cubs have Sammy Sosa and the Bulls have Michael Jordan.

447
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a Cowboys fan. But like the early

448
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 4: mid nineties, I was like, my team is just supposed

449
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 4: to be the most interesting with the best player, and

450
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 4: so I just I was a Cowboys fan. It's like

451
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 4: Deon Sanders is the cool guy I've ever seen. And

452
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 4: so while I loved it all, it was I was

453
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 4: drawn more to personalities than teams supercars, and it felt

454
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 4: like if why would you root for a bad team?

455
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 4: I always felt that, like, like, why would you root

456
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 4: for an uninteresting bad team? I'm gonna root for Sammy

457
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: Sosa and Michael Jordan. And it was I mean, it

458
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 4: was a real awesome time to be a kid in

459
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 4: Chicago or the Chicago suburbs. I'm the opposite.

460
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Speaker 2: All my Seattle teams were awful, and so I liked

461
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 2: other teams because mine were unwatchable, yours were great. So

462
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 2: you're like, I like the good teams. Mine were terrible.

463
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: So I liked the good teams. I was like, I

464
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: love the Reggie Jackson Yankees, not the Mariners.

465
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 4: Sure, and that's why I was like, I was like

466
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 4: the Bears. I was like the Eric Kramer, no thank you,

467
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: and like he's a top six quarterback in Bears history.

468
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 4: And I was like ugh, uh yeah. So I like,

469
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 4: I was like, why would you watch bad sports when

470
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: there are good sports? Yeah? And I mean I bonded

471
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 4: a lot with my dad. I'm like going the games,

472
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 4: and you know, he would tell me about seeing Henry

473
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 4: Aaron back in the day and like the or you know,

474
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: Luel Cinder and like in that era. And so then like,

475
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 4: you want to go to a college football game. I

476
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, sure, but it's Chicago. There's no good

477
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 4: college football team. He's like, no, no at all. We're going

478
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 4: to go to South Bend and see Notre Dame in USC.

479
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, so you just want to go

480
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 4: to good games too, So we did. It was just

481
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 4: like our thing. We just we just there's a good

482
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: game in a reasonable radius for us to go to.

483
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 4: Like that was like, oh, this is your Christmas present.

484
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 4: We're going to get tickets and we're going to go

485
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 4: to this awesome game. So that was a big part

486
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: of my childhood.

487
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: So I always kind of roll my eyes, you know,

488
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: I'm I'm kind of I am numb to kind of criticism.

489
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I work hard, I do what

490
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 2: I do. I got a great staff. My staff, we

491
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: just don't really you know, we do content. We don't

492
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: have time to look back. My rule has always been,

493
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: I have opinions. You can have opinions on my opinions.

494
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: I'm not going to have an opinion on your opinion

495
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: of my opinion. Like I got three hours to fill tomorrow.

496
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 2: But I like and I see it infrequently. I think

497
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: sometimes the Internet has scared away a lot of sports hosts.

498
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: Not political hosts, they don't care. But sports hosts are

499
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: either more insecure, are more defensive, you know, Sean Hannity,

500
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: Rachel Maddow, Oberman, they don't.

501
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 4: Care like I.

502
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: But a lot of sports guys are bothered by getting

503
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: picked on by you know, whatever the site is, and

504
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: so nobody wants to be told you have a hot take.

505
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 4: But the truth is, I like sportscasters who are.

506
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna lay it out here, like I don't

507
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: get this, And about two years ago, this was my

508
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: hot take, and I'm gonna ask for your hottest take,

509
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: and my hot take was, Luca is just a much

510
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: better version of Carmelo. Anthony not in great shape and

511
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: after about four years, you're never going to be Steve Prefontaine, Okay,

512
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: I can come.

513
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: To terms with it.

514
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: A prodigy offensively, therefore never really had to be engaged

515
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: defensively to matter. In the end, his teams will be

516
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: lobsided and he'll go through teammates, He'll work with some,

517
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: never ideally with any. But he's a better version of Carmelo.

518
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's a hot take because Melo

519
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: did not complain to the officials as much as Luca.

520
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: Luca is much more like Magic Johnson, like it's just

521
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: a constant chatter. But my take is that he's better

522
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: than Mellow. I'm not and both their first belt Hall

523
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: of Famers. I mean Mello for his lack of postseason

524
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: success as an all time score, He's way up the list, right,

525
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: is that Luca is a better version of Mellow. He's

526
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: never going to be in great shape. He was such

527
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: a prodigy, like being a pianist prodigy at seven, You're

528
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: probably not gonna be great at sports. You're not gonna

529
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: be great at other things because you're just gonna lean

530
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: into your artistry on the piano, right. And I think

531
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: they're so gifted offensively, where Lebron never had a great

532
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: jumper early. He was just he was gifted physically, but

533
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: he wasn't a pretty offensive player.

534
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: He really had to work at it.

535
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: Mellow at twelve could hit an eighteen foot and it

536
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: looked like art.

537
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 4: It was a monet.

538
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: And that that's my hot take, is that Luca, we're

539
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: gonna look back. He's gonna be a top five score.

540
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: He may get a ring. He's never in great shape,

541
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: that really engaged defensively, and he'll he'll go through a

542
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: series of teammates. Somebody gets along with many he doesn't.

543
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: That's my hot take. Where's yours?

544
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 4: It's a good one. It's a good one. Luca a

545
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 4: better passer than Mellow, so I even like more complete

546
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 4: all around this game, Like Mellow up your score, Luca, man,

547
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 4: I mean I have so many that like age poorly

548
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 4: and like immediately like you do this for a lot

549
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: for long enough you do. Like if people like pick

550
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 4: on me or get mad at me for like me

551
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 4: just being wrong, I'm like, okay, then you document twenty

552
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: hours of opinions a week and won't see how you like?

553
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 4: You know what actually like first to sensitized me to

554
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 4: not caring about being wrong. Gambling like I've been. I've

555
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 4: been gambling on sports longer than I've been hosting radio

556
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: shows professionally. I started gambling on sports when I was

557
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 4: recovering from back surgery in high school. I was fifteen

558
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 4: or sixteen years old. It was like, yeah, you're wrong

559
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 4: sometimes on your predictions. I mean, I said it was

560
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 4: there was a zero percent chance, but Tony Laruss was

561
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 4: going to get hired as the manager of the White Sox.

562
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: He was hired. Four days later. I said John Baldwin

563
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: was going to be a Hall of Famer. He was

564
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: an incredible bust. There are so many that are listen.

565
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: I said that I would trade my dog for Deshaun

566
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: Watson for him to be the quarterback of the Bears.

567
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: And five days later there were sixty five accounts of

568
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: sexual misconducts that came out of it. Oh God, I've

569
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: had I've had some real ones that blow up my face.

570
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 4: But it's funny, you know, the one from your from

571
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: the six hours of doing your show that I'm getting

572
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: killed for the most in my group chat with Like

573
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: my friends, Nick has gotten on me. You think Justin

574
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: Herbert's the third best quarterback in the world to start

575
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 4: a franchise with, Like, yeah, I do you know he

576
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: has no playoff wins? Yeah, but there has to be

577
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 4: an eye test. I have to be able to say that, yes,

578
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 4: he has no playoff wins, he has a horrendous blown lead.

579
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 4: He's there have been multiple coaches that have been there.

580
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 4: But I have to be able to trust myself that

581
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 4: no matter what a grade looks like from a scouting service,

582
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: or a yards per attempt or a win loss record,

583
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 4: I have to say that when I watched these games,

584
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 4: when I watch eleven hours of football start to finish

585
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 4: on a Sunday, who's more physically talented than that dude

586
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 4: throwing a football? Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.

587
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: That's it.

588
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 4: That's the list, And my list was Mahomes won, Allan two,

589
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 4: Herbert three, Stroud four. People like, how do you not

590
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 4: have Stroud in front of him? I'm like, well, Stroud

591
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: was amazing, but he's done it one time. He had

592
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: twenty three passing touchdowns, like it was. It was an

593
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 4: incredible year, five interceptions over four thousand yards as a rookie.

594
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: No one thought Nico Collins and Tank Dell were going

595
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 4: to be things. And now he's you know, made him

596
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 4: into great players. But like he did it once, no

597
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: one's thrown for more yards through the first five years

598
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 4: of a career than Justin Herbert. And I know Anthony

599
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 4: Lynn was terrible at clock management, and I know the

600
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: Chargers have been cursed with injuries, and I know he's

601
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: had three different play callers or four different play callers

602
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 4: now since he's been into the league. I'm like, at

603
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 4: some point, I just have to trust my eyes. And

604
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 4: there's no doubt in my mind that Harbaugh and him

605
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: are gonna win big. So I haven't sold a share

606
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: of Justin Herbert stock. Like I if if the Bears

607
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: would have traded the rights to Caleb Williams for Justin Herbert,

608
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: I would be like, I get it, I get it.

609
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: I it'd be hard for you to pound the table

610
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 4: because Caleb is so much cheaper. But I just think

611
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: that that dude's so unbelievably talented that I'm willing to

612
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 4: go down with the ship.

613
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: Now, is there a hot take that you're proud of,

614
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: I'll throw one out. I said, Johnny manziel and Zach

615
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: Wilson can't.

616
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 4: Play a lick. Oh, good for you.

617
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: I was like, Nope, Johnny manziel And, by the way,

618
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: I've met Johnny. There's qualities about Johnny that I think

619
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: are great. I think he's probably a great hang and

620
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: a great friend. If you had to pick NFL quarterbacks

621
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: to go party within a Friday night, he'd be a blast.

622
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: He'd be funny, he's cocky, he's smart, probably tells great stories.

623
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 2: I just I said, I don't care.

624
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: What Nick Saban says. That is not an NFL quarterback.

625
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: He's not disciplined enough, his shoulders, his waist, he's too tiny,

626
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: he's small. People think Baker Mayfield, but I always said

627
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 2: Baker's overdrafted, but he can play. He's a franchise quarterback.

628
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: People think I hated Baker. It's like, no, no, no, he's draftable.

629
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't draft him as a GM. I don't

630
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: like his temperament as a twenty year old I also

631
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: said Zach Wilson, and I think Joe Douglas is a

632
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: good GM. I'm like, guys, go to the three best

633
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 2: teams he played in college he won during a COVID season.

634
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 4: He can't.

635
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 2: This is not an NFL starting quarterback. So pat myself

636
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: in the back. Do you have one you took shit for?

637
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: But in retrospect, You're like, I'm kind of proud of

638
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: that one because I was on an island.

639
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 4: You know, it's so funny. I mean, like, again, there's

640
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 4: a hundred of them, because you know what I mean,

641
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 4: I'm so right about so many things and so wrong

642
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 4: about so many things that I don't even really think

643
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: about it in those terms. But so my wife went

644
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: to Clemson and we were in Mexico and Clemson was

645
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 4: playing Georgia and there was like a twenty inch TV

646
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: on in like the sports bar and the all inclusive

647
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: resort that we were at, and Clemson in their first

648
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: game of the season. They were starting fifth year senior

649
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 4: Cole Stout. Yeah, And I was like, Okay, I don't really.

650
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: We were just like dating at the time. It's like

651
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 4: one of our first trips we took together. So I'm like,

652
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: trying to. I'm watching more college football because of her.

653
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 4: She's super into it, Like, all right, let's check out

654
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 4: this Clemson team, Like, oh, cole stout. This guy stinks.

655
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: Three possessions into the game, they bring in a true

656
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 4: freshman by the name of Deshaun Watson, and this guy

657
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 4: throws a ball sixty yards in the air and it's

658
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: I'm just like, who is that? And she's like, she's like,

659
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: I don't know, but she's a fan, but she doesn't

660
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: know that, like she's not following like recruiting. I'm like,

661
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 4: who is that. She's like, I don't know. I'm like

662
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 4: googling it, like that guy's your quarterback. That guy's gonna

663
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 4: win a Heisman Trophy. That guy's going to the NFL.

664
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: He's gonna be the first pick in the draft. And

665
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: he wasn't. But I ended up watching every game that

666
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 4: he played in college. We went to Arizona to watch

667
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 4: him in the title game against Alabama when he had

668
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 4: four passing touchdowns a rushing touchdown and they lost because

669
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: Nick Saban on sidekicked to kick the ball to keep

670
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 4: the ball out of his hands. So it's not like

671
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: the hottest take in the world. Because he was obviously

672
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 4: a big time recruit. But I pride myself on actually

673
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: watching the games. I'd like, I'm going to watch the games,

674
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: and I try not to be terribly on Twitter during

675
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: the games. I try not to see everyone else's opinion

676
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 4: on things while I'm watching the I try to watch

677
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 4: the game, have an opinion, and then see if I'm

678
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: in the majority of the minority or I'm alone on

679
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: an island. And so I felt like with him. So

680
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: the Bears had the third pick in the draft. They

681
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 4: traded up, and I was like, I don't understand this.

682
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't get the Mahomes thing. I

683
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: don't get the Trubisky thing. Mahomes is from the Big twelve.

684
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 4: They've never put a good quarterback into the NFL. It's

685
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 4: the air raid. There's no way that'll work. Mitch Trubisky,

686
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: he's in the ACC with Deshaun Watson. He's started for

687
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 4: one year. And you're telling me that a guy who

688
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 4: played Bama in back to back title games one to one,

689
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 4: lost one and the first four thousand and one thousand

690
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: yard guy in college football history. You're telling me that's

691
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: not the number one pick in the draft. And so

692
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 4: I was just banging the drum for the Bears to

693
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: take to Sean Watson and obviously he goes third. He

694
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: would have been much better than Trubisky. The personal off

695
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 4: the field stuff. Who could have known that aged very poorly.

696
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: But when he had that five thousand yard forty eight

697
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: hundred yard season with Bill O'Brien at twenty three years old,

698
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 4: I was like, I told you. I was like, I

699
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: told you this better than Mitch Trubisky. I'm like, I

700
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 4: should be the GM of the Bears. So like, and honestly,

701
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: isn't that an obvious point?

702
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: Like?

703
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 4: What do these guys get paid for to do twenty

704
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 4: hours a week of work? To say that a one

705
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 4: year starter at North Carolina? How does that happen?

706
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 2: Listen, I'll give you an example, and I so Greg

707
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: Cosel I was in great Yeah. And so Greg and

708
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: I connect every off season before the draft and he'll say, Hey,

709
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: I want you to watch three or four guy you

710
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: know before the season this year in college football. He'll

711
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: give me a list of guys to watch. He gave

712
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: me Josh Allen. He said, watch this kid, he's really rising.

713
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: So I watched him against Iowa Oregon, and he was

714
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: horrible in both. But he had a howitzer, he had

715
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: an arm that was he looked like a pony out

716
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: of a barn that nobody had ever taken the time,

717
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: and he was just he was just romping wildly all

718
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: over the field. And I'm like, he made a throw

719
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: into the corner of the end zone and I was

720
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: just like, that's not that's above the NFL. That that

721
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: arm strength is serious. So he told me a few

722
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: years ago. He goes, I was on vacation. He goes,

723
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: watch Mitch Trubisky, tell me what you think. So I

724
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: watched him. It was against Florida State, and I called

725
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: him and I said, yeah, that's not it.

726
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 4: Ball dies at twenty yards.

727
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: I don't that's not that's not Nope, that's a backup athletic,

728
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: but a backup And he and he gave me his report.

729
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: He sent me his report. He called him a front

730
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: leg thrower, and he goes, you and I see this

731
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: exactly the same. So uh and and a lot of

732
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: times Gregil tests me, and you know, Breg knows what

733
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: he's really doing. And I also lean on a lot

734
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: of my GM buddies and executives I'll be like some

735
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: of my strongest opinions.

736
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: You know.

737
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: One of the reasons I love Sam Darnold so much.

738
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: I liked him, I knew him, but like two of

739
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: my GM friends were like, he's pretty good, he's got

740
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: he's got a quirky release, or he's got a slow release.

741
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: He should and he.

742
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: Could never speed that slow release up. He just never

743
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: never could. But yeah, no, I I think it's pretty weird.

744
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 4: Like so the Jets.

745
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: Joe Douglas, I think is an excellent GM, but he

746
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: missed in a left tackle on a quarterback. I'm sorry.

747
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: You can't miss on those two positions, right, So exactly. Yeah,

748
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: I I always think if I was a general manager,

749
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: the one thing I would avoid, and I think Ryan

750
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: Poles in Chicago's done a great job. I hated Velis

751
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: Jones out of Tennessee because at USC, I knew assistant

752
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: coaches and they said he can't track the ball. He's

753
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: gotta be a punt returner. He can't track the ball

754
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 2: as a receiver. He just he doesn't have the feel

755
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: for it. He was a speed guy out of college

756
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: in Alabama, so I hated that pick. But you know,

757
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: he's redeemed himself. He's made pick after pick after pick.

758
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: It's been very good. But I always think if I

759
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: was a GM, if I didn't do this, my favorite

760
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: job would be a GM in the NFL. I do

761
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: mock drafts on paper. My staff makes fun of me

762
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: is that I would not dabble in free agency much.

763
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: I just I would be pretty contrariant on that. I'd

764
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: be a little bit like Chris Ballard. I would wait

765
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: it out and then by day five I'd get the

766
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: fourth to sixth best pass rusher. I would because I

767
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: think it's fool's gold. It's like buying a used car.

768
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: If a team's letting somebody go, they know the odomitor,

769
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: there's an issue with the car. It's like if a

770
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: house is for sale, first thing I always ask is

771
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 2: how long did they live there?

772
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: Because if it's a.

773
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: Weird neighbor and it's had two owners in five years,

774
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: it's probably a neighbor issue. Like you have a crazy

775
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: person right like that you know, fires off a shotgun randomly.

776
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: So I think that's the one job in sports that

777
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 2: if I didn't do this, that would be my favorite job.

778
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: But I will tell you and Bill Polling and I

779
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: had these conversations on and off the air when I

780
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: was at ESPN Quarterback is You know Bill was known

781
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: for first and second round hits. He said, boy, you start,

782
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: you start drafting quarterbacks. It's a lot of heart, it's

783
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: a lot of toughness, it's a lot of cognitive discipline.

784
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: He said, there's a lot of stuff here. You can't

785
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: measure it anywhere. And he you know, he told me,

786
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: he said, you're gonna miss you go, you just have to.

787
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: He goes, We got you know, we had Peyton Manning.

788
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: We didn't have to worry about it forever. He said,

789
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: But I know smart guys that have missed on quarterbacks.

790
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 4: Oh man, it's it's so interesting, like they haven't figured

791
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: out how to and they tried with the S two test,

792
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 4: but then it looks like CJ. Stroud just broke the

793
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 4: S two test. They haven't figured out how to really

794
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: measure if a quarterback is gonna panic or like his

795
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 4: brain is gonna speed up or slow down once the

796
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 4: ball was snapped right. They can they can evaluate the film,

797
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 4: they can do it on a chalkboard, they can do

798
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: the mock interview. But there's a huge difference between college,

799
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 4: the play call comes in, you just do it, and

800
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 4: you've got to verbalize the play call in the huddle.

801
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 4: You've got to verbalize a second play call in the huddle.

802
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 4: You've got to have a check with me. You've got

803
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: defenses that are as best athletes in the world doing

804
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 4: all sorts of confusing things, and then a guy comes unblocked.

805
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: What the hell are you going to do? Do you

806
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: calmly hit your check down or do you panic and

807
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 4: run backwards out of bounce like Mitch Trubisky would do.

808
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: And it's like, I had a guy who scouted him.

809
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 4: He was like, now it's true. I was like, how

810
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 4: did you guys spend five hours with mahomes in five

811
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 4: hours with Trubisky and feel like this guy was smarter

812
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 4: than that guy. And he's like, he haste is on

813
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 4: the board test. He hasted it. It's that he couldn't

814
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: do it when the bullets were flying. So it's a

815
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 4: hard job and if you have the quarterback, it makes

816
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 4: everything easier. And I know what I would be susceptible to.

817
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: I would be susceptible to ridiculous athletic feet of strength

818
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 4: that has nothing really to do with football, but it's

819
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 4: just cool, like the three hundred pound guy who jumps

820
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 4: out of a pool. I'm like, what, Joe Milton, have

821
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 4: you seen the videos of that quarterback from Tennessee. I

822
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 4: think he went to the Patriots. Yes, yes, he was

823
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 4: in the Orange Bowl and in practice he took an

824
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: orange and threw it one hundred and five yards. I'm like,

825
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: he should be the number one pick of the draft. Like,

826
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 4: apparently you can't read a defense for anything. I'm like,

827
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: I'm I don't care. I would want him on the

828
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 4: team and I would just be like, throw it to

829
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: Randy Moss deep Like so I would I know I

830
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 4: would need someone who would be a little bit and

831
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 4: I would draft every week guy like I would every

832
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 4: guy who failed a podcast and fell ten spots in

833
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 4: the draft. I'd be like, there's a market inefficiency. I'm

834
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: drafting you. Yeah, so I know I would have my

835
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 4: blind spots as a GM. I character like it. It

836
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 4: obviously matters, But sometimes I think these guys forget that

837
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 4: they're building a football team and you don't need fifty

838
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 4: three choir boys. I'm like, like, why is Jalen Carter

839
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 4: not a lion? Like I don't really understand that like,

840
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 4: that was like the that was the most obvious pick

841
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: in the world. They needed someone to put inside for

842
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 4: Aiden Hutchinson. Outside, You've got Dan Campbell as a coach

843
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 4: like you had your I don't like that was the

844
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: most They're like, ah, he doesn't fit the culture. I'm like,

845
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 4: then why do we have coaches like what?

846
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: Like?

847
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 4: And then he goes to Philadelphia and it's of course

848
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 4: perfect and so like I would draft the questionable character guy.

849
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 4: I would draft the freak of nature, like ninety nine

850
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 4: percentile athlete. But I'd also like to think that I

851
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 4: wouldn't draft Mitch Trubisky over Deshaun Watson. I'd like to

852
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 4: think that I got better.

853
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: You know. It's what's interesting about the character thing is

854
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: I actually, and I've said this more than once, the

855
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: overwhelming majority of pro athletes, at least the domestic ones

856
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: that we watch in college or or you know, if

857
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: somebody comes from overseas, I don't know much about their history,

858
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: but I think ninety eight percent of our athletes are

859
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: such good kids. You know, I'm sick. Yeah, Like, do

860
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: you know how lucky we are that our star quarterbacks

861
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: are Herbert Mahomes Lamar Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow. It's like

862
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: you could have a you know, just a schmuck. I

863
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: mean nothing against Jay Cutler, but he was not very likeable.

864
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: I knew people that were friends with him and they're like,

865
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: not a great guy. You could have that, right Like

866
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: you look at the NFL, go look at the NBA.

867
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: John Morant went sideways and Zion has a weight health issue. Overwhelmingly,

868
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: they're all like Chet Hungern and Wemby and SGA and

869
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: it's like, there's good kids right like and now they're

870
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 2: worth one hundred million and twenty four and they're still

871
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: good kids.

872
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 4: The Bears drafted Caleb Williams and Roman doonesday we went

873
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 4: to to Detroit really just for like the feat are

874
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 4: of the Mine and to paint the picture for the audience.

875
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 4: It was it was a fun trip for the show.

876
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 4: And the day after the Bears were cool and they

877
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 4: both called in and it was six minutes back to back.

878
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 4: They literally were in the same car and they Caleb

879
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 4: handed the phone to Ropes. We did six minutes with

880
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: both of them and they were both it was I know,

881
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: you know Caleb a bit. I don't know if you

882
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 4: know Roman yeah, but in six minutes, I'm like Jesus Christ,

883
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 4: Like it's so impressive, how mature they are, how grounded

884
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 4: they are, how prepped they are, how like ninety nine

885
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 4: percentile athlete, but also like somehow ninety nine percent of

886
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 4: like polite, humble. Yeah, it's completely insane. Like the new

887
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 4: athlete Caleb Williams has a foundation. Everybody talks about how

888
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 4: he made ten million dollars from nil money, Like okay, fine,

889
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 4: like in the course of his life, the ten million

890
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 4: he his dad made money, like in the course of

891
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 4: his life, Like ten million dollars is going to actually

892
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 4: be fairly insignificant. The guy has a charitable foundation as

893
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 4: a drafted rookie that when has that ever happened? But

894
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 4: that's the thing that you do after you have two

895
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 4: contracts and you're in your thirties and you're thinking about

896
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 4: a legacy after your career. So these guys are just

897
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 4: so much more evolved and advanced and prepped in all

898
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 4: of it that that Yeah, it's it's a lot of

899
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 4: hand ringing by people that are jealous and uncomfortable that

900
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 4: they got cut from the high school team, or that

901
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 4: they live paycheck to paycheck or whatever. These kids are

902
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 4: largely amazing. They really are.

903
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: So when you filled in for me, you discovered how

904
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: good the staff is. And I tell the staff all

905
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: the time. I said, you know, we're lucky. Our management

906
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 2: trusts us. We do our job, and then we're home.

907
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: You know, we're on the road at one in the afternoon,

908
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: one fifteen, which in LA I like my staff to

909
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: get in early, but leverally, I don't want you sitting

910
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: around in the building and stewing. Get out of here

911
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: the minute you can get out of here, go take

912
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 2: a nap, go home, pick up your kids from school.

913
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 2: So I'm a big believer, and let's play the long

914
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: game the show. You know, football season is like six

915
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: and a half months and almost no days off. It

916
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: just wears people out. It's like being an accountant and

917
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: it's six months of April. Like, just guys, get out

918
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: of the building and the all. There are some quirks

919
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: to doing the show, and I thought it was in

920
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: interesting reading what you said about it, because I I

921
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: don't think about it now, but it is incredibly cavernous

922
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: and you're doing the show next to a show that ends,

923
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh good, hell, I should have warned

924
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: him about that. So take me because Chicago's heard it.

925
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: Take the I've done it for years, so I don't

926
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: think about it, but I get it when I read

927
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: it for you, and you're like, oh god, I should

928
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: have told Danny, like, come prepared for the first seven minutes.

929
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and it's funny. You're you're I mean,

930
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: listen like Alex and Kyle and Eric, right, Eric is

931
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 4: your researcher. Yeah, oh my god, Yeah, oh my god.

932
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 4: I was like, so, I mean, so the whole thing

933
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 4: is incredible, right, Like I so they told me a

934
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 4: lot like I had. I had a pre call before

935
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 4: I flew out there with your two top producers, Alex

936
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 4: and Kyle. I had a pre call with UH management

937
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 4: and some of the management from LA. So like they

938
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 4: gave me like a pretty good idea. The meeting starts

939
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 4: at six. The Carl pickie up at five forty five.

940
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 4: You know, what do you want for breakfast? It can

941
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 4: be in your dressing room between seven thirty and eight.

942
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 4: Don't wear your clothes, but bring your clothes because they'll

943
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 4: steam them and iron your shirt. Like they walked me

944
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 4: through basically everything that was gonna happen, but you can,

945
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 4: you're still not prepared for it until you get into

946
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 4: the moment. And so like I walk into that conference

947
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 4: room and like, where do I sit right the head

948
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 4: of the table, Okay, and there's nine people around this table.

949
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 4: I have two excellent producers Shane Riarden and Chris Tannehill

950
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 4: and my co host Matt Spiegel. And like I used

951
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 4: to run my own board in Syracuse like it was

952
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 4: a one man man. And then in Kansas City, like

953
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 4: you had one producer who also did the updates, who

954
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 4: also booked the guests, like you know what I mean. So,

955
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 4: like I've had a theory a long time in this

956
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 4: industry that actually, like the higher that you rise up,

957
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 4: there's obvious more pressure, there's more attention, but in some

958
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: ways it's easier because you have more support. I was

959
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 4: telling him about a thought about like rock party when

960
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 4: just one of deebo Iyuk Kittle, McCaffrey or Trent Williams

961
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 4: is not there, and I'm like, I know the numbers

962
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 4: go down, but it's pretty drastic for him. And like

963
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 4: I said that, and then I was onto like a

964
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 4: Cooper flag thing that I was pitching in the meeting,

965
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 4: and Eric just like stood up, walked over to the printer,

966
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 4: walked over to my side and like put a piece

967
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 4: of paper down on the on the table neck for me,

968
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 4: and he had the numbers in like eight minutes. It

969
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 4: would take me one hundred and eight minutes to get

970
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 4: one of them. It was incredible. And so your staff

971
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 4: is excellent. But then, yes, it's finally time. I'm nervous.

972
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 4: This is the biggest show I've ever fronted by far.

973
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 4: It's three hours of national TV. And I said this

974
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 4: not to your face, so I may as well say

975
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 4: it to your face. Like I do think that you

976
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: have the hardest job in Sports opinion, because every other

977
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 4: big show in sports opinion has someone out there with you,

978
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 4: and I know that you have Jmac, But like it's

979
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 4: first Take is a debate show, there has to be

980
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 4: someone to debate. Get Up is a panel show. Undisputed

981
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 4: is a debate show. First things First is a chemistry show.

982
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 4: PTI is a chemistry show. You're a monologue in take show.

983
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: And so three hours of sol I mean, good Morning America.

984
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 4: They got a panel. So three hours of solo TV

985
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,479
Speaker 4: and radio is no joke. And so you know, I

986
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 4: am not too proud to say that I was nervous.

987
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 4: I've done four hours of solo. I've done five hours

988
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: of solo. I've done twenty four hour broadcast. It's not

989
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 4: the length of the time. It's just that it's different.

990
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 4: And that studio is bleeping huge, and I have net.

991
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 4: It's huge. It is barn. It's a barn. It's a barn.

992
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 4: Radio studios are intimate by design, because you're funny when

993
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 4: you're comfortable, and you're intimate and you can make eye

994
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 4: contact with your producer and the whole thing. And so

995
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 4: it's a huge room. And so that was disorienting. But

996
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 4: then also I've never met Skip Bayless or Keishawn Johnson

997
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 4: or Rachel Nichols, and so I'm a fan. I'm aware

998
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 4: of who these people are. And so I am sitting

999
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 4: in your studio or in your chair, with the herd

1000
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 4: fairly powerful brand on, like one hundred lcdtvs all around me,

1001
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 4: and I'm getting ready to do this monologue into a camera.

1002
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 4: By the way, like in radio, you talk to your

1003
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 4: people on first things. First, they're like, the one note

1004
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 4: they gave me was don't look at the camera. You

1005
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 4: talk to wilds, you talk to Brussard, you talk to Nick.

1006
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 4: You don't talk to the camera on your show. You're here,

1007
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 4: don't your monologue and do a camera and so it's

1008
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 4: all like a little different in disorienting. And then I'm

1009
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 4: like they're like, you know, there's no break between the

1010
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 4: end of their show and your show. So I'm like,

1011
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 4: oh my god, Like I'm opening with Dak Prescott. Skip

1012
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 4: Bayless is gonna hear my Dak Prescott take you know

1013
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 4: what I mean. I'm like, I don't really care if

1014
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 4: he agrees with me or disagrees with me, but like

1015
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 4: I'd like to think I'd like him to think that

1016
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 4: I'm doing a good job.

1017
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: Uh, you know.

1018
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 4: So it's just like it's just you're just aware of it.

1019
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 4: And Skip goes like tomorrow on Undisputed DN like and

1020
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 4: then it's like right into the herd, like there is

1021
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 4: no break. It is so quick. And so I haven't

1022
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 4: gone back and put myself through the ordeal of watching

1023
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 4: the full three hours. I've watched the clips. I've watched

1024
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 4: some of it, but I was much more comfortable from

1025
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 4: the start the second day than the first day. Yeah,

1026
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 4: because it's just and I wasn't on radio, you know,

1027
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 4: I was just on TV, so I guess you're radio producers.

1028
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 4: You normally can see them. There's a radio booth there,

1029
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 4: so I mean it was just Ashley Brewer, who was lovely,

1030
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 4: but she had never done herdline before. She hadn't been

1031
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 4: on TV in a year. So we're like, man, they're

1032
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 4: really gonna let us take this plane off the aircraft

1033
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 4: carrier here, like like you're and I kept asking your

1034
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 4: staff and I you could cut me off or whatever

1035
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 4: if I'm rambling, but like I kept asking your staff

1036
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 4: like what's the out time? Like how long do I

1037
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 4: how long should I take this? And they're like, don't

1038
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 4: worry about it, like just we'll tell you you need

1039
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 4: to rap if you need to wrap, because frankly, I've

1040
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 4: done some local television. Like they're so good at like

1041
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 4: when I trained, you know, you do two takes in

1042
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 4: an a block or something. They're so good at the

1043
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 4: graphic changing immediately and the b roll changing immediately, and

1044
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 4: like the video kind of following my voice as I

1045
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 4: was transitioning from one thing to the next, Like I

1046
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 4: was like, wells, like what do I need to que

1047
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 4: you guys, like you know in radio, if I want

1048
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 4: to like fire a SoundBite. I obviously have eye contact

1049
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 4: with my sound guy, but it's like you like set

1050
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 4: up a clip in this it's video. They're just they're

1051
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 4: just following you with your voice, and so like I

1052
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 4: have trust in your people now that I didn't have

1053
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 4: on like the minute one of take one. And so

1054
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 4: it's just it's a very impressive operation that you've built.

1055
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 4: And they made a very unnatural situation, even for someone

1056
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 4: who has I have my ten thousand hours of radio time.

1057
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 4: I do not have my ten thousand hours of TV time.

1058
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 4: But uh, they made something that is just like unavoidedly unnatural.

1059
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 4: They made me really really comfortable. They were great dark

1060
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 4: to do it again because I'd love to do it

1061
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 4: again because day three, I would imagine, would be even

1062
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 4: better than day two. So that's why that's that's my

1063
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Speaker 4: to get to do it again.

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Speaker 2: It's the opposite of baseball, where the picture, you know,

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Speaker 2: they take the picture out so you don't fase the.

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Speaker 4: For the third time. We're different. You're best at bat

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Speaker 4: is your you know absolutely? Oh and and I mean,

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Speaker 4: oh god, so like you know, I didn't get a

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Speaker 4: ton of sleep. There's jet lag, and like again I'm

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Speaker 4: nervous and there's nothing going on. Con I'm waiting for

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Speaker 4: the car in the lobby of the hotel and I'm

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Speaker 4: just scrolling Twitter and Connor or posted twelve teams that

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Speaker 4: can win the Super Bowl, and I was.

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Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, let's go Connor eating that NFL beast baby

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Speaker 1: in July. Let's go, let's go anyway to talk some football.

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Speaker 4: It was, Yeah, it was. It's fun, man, it's a

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Speaker 4: it's a it's a really fun thing that you have

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Speaker 4: built for yourself. It really is. Well, you're I'm a

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Speaker 4: huge fan. You're gonna get a lot more swings at it.

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Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I have on more than one

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Speaker 2: occasion told our staff, you know, gambling digital filling in

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Speaker 2: for me. In fact, it was interesting, they had said

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Speaker 2: to me, and we'll wrap it up here. They had said, hey,

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Speaker 2: how about you put Danny Parkins when Jason McIntyre's off,

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Speaker 2: you put him on herdline. And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: Danny's a host. He's not going to be subservient to me.

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Speaker 2: I don't want him to feel like he can't. I said,

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Speaker 2: you put Danny in my chair, let him go. I

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Speaker 2: don't care if he makes mistakes. He'll be great. But

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Speaker 2: I said, and that's not a knock at the people

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Speaker 2: who do it, but I said, Danny's a host. It's

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Speaker 2: like what Michael Jordan and Charlotte did he tell like

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Speaker 2: Kemball Walker, he said, take the shots, it's your team,

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Speaker 2: go right like he recently. Yeah, yeah, so you know

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Speaker 2: that was the thing. It's like, put him in the

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Speaker 2: big boy chair, let him rip. And that's why I say,

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Speaker 2: when I'm gone, Jason McIntyre, like, put him in the

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Speaker 2: big boy chair, let him rip. This is not a

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Speaker 2: perfect business as a treadmill. Let the young guys go.

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Speaker 2: It's the only way to get better. And you're both

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Speaker 2: super talented. All right, buddy, it's great talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy Bears camp because I'm gonna tell you something. You

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Speaker 2: got about fifteen different angles and we'll bring you on

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Speaker 2: the show. By the way, during the year. I love that.

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Speaker 2: But I think you have first or second most interesting

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Speaker 2: team in the league. So that and you don't say

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Speaker 2: that about the Chicago Bears once in fifty years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bears most interesting team in football probably hasn't been

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Speaker 4: the case since the eighty five Bears. That's it, which

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Speaker 4: is one of the most interesting teams ever in any sport,

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Speaker 4: So if this team could even approach that in terms

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Speaker 4: of interesting, Hug and A the HBO producers agree with you.

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Speaker 4: We got contents coming up in August. Baby, we got

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Speaker 4: Hard Knocks, Hard Knocks recaps Tuesdays in August. I cannot wait.

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Speaker 4: All right, Buddy good talking to him. Thanks com the volume.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast,

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