WEBVTT - How DNA Computers Work

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Hello everyone, and welcome to tech stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Chris Poulette and I am an editor

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<v Speaker 1>at how stuff works dot com. Sitting across from me,

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<v Speaker 1>as he typically does on these days, is senior writer

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. He there. Yeah, so we were we were

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<v Speaker 1>going to share some twisted logic with you today. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to talk about dioxy ribonucleic acid computers. DONA

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<v Speaker 1>is the DONA No, no no, the DONA NA d n

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<v Speaker 1>A computers And what is a DNA computer? What would

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<v Speaker 1>it be? Because we're really in the very early stages

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<v Speaker 1>of using DNA for the reasons of uh purposes of

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<v Speaker 1>a computer. But what would a DNA computer be? Why

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<v Speaker 1>would we even use DNA? And what the heck is

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<v Speaker 1>this DNA stuff? Anyway, Well, you know, I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>USB port in the back of my head. So yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He also woke up one day and he was in

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<v Speaker 1>a giant battery and he had to get down. Turns

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<v Speaker 1>out Chris is the one, and definitely we got but this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we got agents Smith showing up every other

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<v Speaker 1>day at the office and we're like, he's not here,

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<v Speaker 1>today's teleworking and us just irritating. But anyways, in the

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<v Speaker 1>matrix DNA, so DNA is is is important stuff. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a molecule that contains information that you know, collectively,

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<v Speaker 1>this information makes makes organisms what they are. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and so biologically DNA is used to store information

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<v Speaker 1>and that is really the key there, you know, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, if DNA stores information for organisms, could

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<v Speaker 1>we use DNA to store information for other purposes? But

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<v Speaker 1>to to really explain this, DNA, it's this, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>that double helix molecule. You're probcing, Uh, you know, illustrations

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<v Speaker 1>of it. You may have built a model of it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are in school, you may be studying this

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<v Speaker 1>so much that the terms I'm going to use you're thinking, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>he's really glossing over this. But it's because this is

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<v Speaker 1>tech stuff, not stuff to blow your mind. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to go too deep into the cellular biology

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of DNA. Yes, And if you're looking for your

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<v Speaker 1>mind being blown, I'm sorry you've come to the wrong place.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, DNA has a has a lot of instructions

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Yes, As it turns out, it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>tiny molecule with UH, with a very large capacity for

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<v Speaker 1>for carrying information. Yeah, if you were to actually stretch

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<v Speaker 1>out a DNA molecule and lay it lengthwise, it would

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<v Speaker 1>end up taking much more space than it typically does

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<v Speaker 1>because it has this twisted three dimensional uh uh structure.

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<v Speaker 1>Hence my earlier dumb joke. Right, So this twisted structure

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<v Speaker 1>actually allows this this very dense UH storage medium to

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<v Speaker 1>exist in a relatively small volume of space. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>you've twisted it. And you know, it's the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>about UH conserving surface area and all that great stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that all my biologist friends go on and on and

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<v Speaker 1>on about and then I end up wandering away. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But DNA has UH among many other attributes. There are

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<v Speaker 1>pairs of bases that that pair up in DNA, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is you know, the the structure of those The

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<v Speaker 1>sequence of those determines what information is stored in that

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<v Speaker 1>strand of DNA. Okay, So those four bases you have

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<v Speaker 1>at Anne, Citazine, Guani, and thyming and usually we just

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<v Speaker 1>call those A, C, G and T. And the way

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<v Speaker 1>that those are sequenced, like I said, within a strand

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<v Speaker 1>of DNA determines the type of information that that DNA holds.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and uh, it's it's it's that that forms the

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<v Speaker 1>basis of the idea of using a DNA computer because

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<v Speaker 1>in our of course, in our our classic computer model,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got computers thinking quote unquote thinking in binary right,

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<v Speaker 1>zeros and ones and so uh. With using DNA. UH,

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<v Speaker 1>the approach right now is to associate certain of those

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<v Speaker 1>bases with zeros and the others with ones, and the

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<v Speaker 1>idea being that way you could sequence a DNA down

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<v Speaker 1>the length of a strand of DNA with these zeros

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<v Speaker 1>and ones. You encode a strand of DNA that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you would decode it. You would read back

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<v Speaker 1>those those base pairings and that would determine whether each

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<v Speaker 1>pair was a zero or a one, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>would decode that into binary language, and thus you would

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<v Speaker 1>get back to whatever information you originally stored onto the DNA. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>This is it makes it sound pretty simple, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is high tech science stuff right now. Now. Granted, it's

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<v Speaker 1>high tech science stuff that we have made huge advances

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<v Speaker 1>in over the last two decades. Really, so things that

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<v Speaker 1>were seen as practically impossible two decades ago are things

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<v Speaker 1>that we do almost not quite routinely, but with a

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<v Speaker 1>greater ease than we could have expected. Yeah, but over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of of the last few decades. Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing that when people see the double helix,

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<v Speaker 1>it's familiar. Um, you know, it's it's it's it's high

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<v Speaker 1>tech science. But it's in our public consciousness too, it's

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<v Speaker 1>in our DNA. There you go the fact that that

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<v Speaker 1>that's a a uh slang term, you know, for something.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say it's, it's basically you're saying it's deeply

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<v Speaker 1>ingrained in your personality or whatever you're saying that about. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's certainly something that that we're all

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with now, but only a few decades ago, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was completely foreign to us. Yeah. So yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do a quick, quick rundown of the history of

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<v Speaker 1>our knowledge about DNA, because clearly DNA has existed for

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<v Speaker 1>millions of years, but we've only really been aware of

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<v Speaker 1>it since about well, we knew something about it back

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen sixty. Yes, when Freedrich Meischer, who was thank

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<v Speaker 1>you was he was a biologist from Switzerland and he

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<v Speaker 1>was looking at something pretty darn gross. He was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at bandages that had pus on them, and he isolated

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<v Speaker 1>DNA from the pus on the bandages, and he thought

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<v Speaker 1>that perhaps the this stuff that these nucleic acids, which

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<v Speaker 1>is DNA, is a nucleic acid. He thought that perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff might contain information in it that would determine

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<v Speaker 1>why stuff is the way it is so genetic information.

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<v Speaker 1>He thought that that probably did contain that information, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was no way for him to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>confirm it. He could not point to anything and say, see,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm right, So that had to wait for future scientists

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<v Speaker 1>to uh, to really dive into it, not not the

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<v Speaker 1>pus that big gross, but to really dive into the

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<v Speaker 1>information and study it and and figure out more details.

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<v Speaker 1>So Intree, some scientists at Rockefeller University, including Oswald Avery,

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<v Speaker 1>showed that DNA taken from a bacterium could make a

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<v Speaker 1>non infectious type of bacteria become infectious bacteria. So the

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<v Speaker 1>thought was that there must be some information from this

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<v Speaker 1>nucleic acid taken from one type of bacteria that could

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<v Speaker 1>transfer properties to a different bacteria that otherwise would not

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<v Speaker 1>have that infectious property. But what does it? Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what everyone was saying. Well, there's some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of information holding material here. We don't really understand the

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism by which it stores information, nor how does it

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<v Speaker 1>impart that information or or replicated. We didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Uh. And then in nineteen fifty two,

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<v Speaker 1>Alfred Hershey and Martha Chase showed that to make new

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<v Speaker 1>viruses bacteria fage virus injected DNA into the host cell,

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<v Speaker 1>which was important because previously it was thought that perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>it was through protein exchange, but instead of protein exchange,

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<v Speaker 1>it was DNA exchange. So that showed, yes, there's something

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<v Speaker 1>in this. This d N A is what is important.

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<v Speaker 1>And then came along Watson and Crick, Yes, James D.

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<v Speaker 1>Watson and Francis Crick. Yeah. They it was clear that, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that people were already onto something. Hershey and Chase had

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<v Speaker 1>something there. And it was only a year later when

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<v Speaker 1>Watson and Crick, uh you know, made their announcement they

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<v Speaker 1>had discovered the structure of DNA, right, and so this

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<v Speaker 1>is when we started to really learn what how DNA

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<v Speaker 1>you know, forums and what shape it takes and why

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<v Speaker 1>that's important. And um so once all of that was taken,

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<v Speaker 1>once we learned all that, we began to see that

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<v Speaker 1>these base pairings I was talking about, we learned that

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<v Speaker 1>they pair in very specific ways. You know, I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>there are the four different bases. There's A, the A, C, G, T. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>half of those A and G are called purines. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>C and T are uh perimidines. I'm glad you took

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<v Speaker 1>that part. Yeah me too, Uh, you know, way back

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<v Speaker 1>when I was actually really good at biology. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a few decades ago. So anyway of perings

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<v Speaker 1>and peri peri pyrimidines. Look, I can't even do it now,

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<v Speaker 1>periings of paramidines. Still glad you took that bond together, right, So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't get too purines bonding together, and don't get

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<v Speaker 1>two pyramidines bonding together. And to be even more specific,

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<v Speaker 1>A and T will bond together, and C and G

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<v Speaker 1>will bond together. All right, So that that means that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can't you're not going to get a

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<v Speaker 1>strand of DNA where A and C or A and

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<v Speaker 1>G are paired together. It does not happen. They structurally,

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't happen. So uh that also dictates the rationale

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<v Speaker 1>behind using uh these pairings as zeros and ones because

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<v Speaker 1>you can either have UH. You can either have the

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<v Speaker 1>A T pairing or the C G pairing, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>that that lets you say, okay, well that's binary. It's

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<v Speaker 1>either you you just designate that one means one, pairing

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<v Speaker 1>means zero, the other pairing means one. Um, if it

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<v Speaker 1>weren't that case, if we could have multiple pairing, multiple uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like like if A could pair with G instead of

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<v Speaker 1>just A and T, then you would say, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>now we've got system that goes beyond binary, which in theory,

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<v Speaker 1>if you completely change the way computers work, would mean

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<v Speaker 1>that you could dramatically increase parallel processing because you could

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<v Speaker 1>designate things. It would almost be like the cubits of

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<v Speaker 1>a quantum computer, where you know, the basic explanation is

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<v Speaker 1>a cubit represents both a zero and a one and

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<v Speaker 1>all values in between in superposition of one another, and

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<v Speaker 1>that if you have enough cubits you can perform a

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<v Speaker 1>massive parallel processing problem all at the same time because

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<v Speaker 1>those that that one group of cubits is behaving as

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<v Speaker 1>if it's uh, you know a huge number of traditional bits.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's important to remember too that no matter

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<v Speaker 1>how many bases DNA has they all belong to us.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew it. I knew it. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to do an all your base I

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<v Speaker 1>belonged to us. If someone set us up the bomb

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<v Speaker 1>so well, it could be Actually, if you if you

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to if those pairs become corrupted, they will

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<v Speaker 1>not work and uh and a cell can die. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting a lot of this information to from our

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<v Speaker 1>our excellent article on how stuff works dot com about

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<v Speaker 1>how DNA works. It gets into a whole lot more detailed, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to learn more about and and it's

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<v Speaker 1>very accessible. It's a very accessible article. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>curious about you know, you've always heard about d N

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<v Speaker 1>A and you've heard about DNA testing, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>about chromosomes and genes, but you're not really you know,

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<v Speaker 1>beyond that, you're kind of confused. I highly recommend you

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<v Speaker 1>read how DNA works at how stuff works dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>We also have an article on how DNA computers work,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty interesting because it's talking about an earlier

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<v Speaker 1>era of DNA computers, but recent developments have really brought

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<v Speaker 1>it brought to lights some interesting uh, new technologies and

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<v Speaker 1>new use cases for d N a and we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into those in a second. It's it's funny that you

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<v Speaker 1>say that, because I'm sure that people this is futuristic

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<v Speaker 1>enough where people are saying, what are you talking about

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<v Speaker 1>new developments? We haven't heard of a d N A

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<v Speaker 1>computer before? But yeah, that's that's not really surprising. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the kind of thing, like like quantum computing, where

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<v Speaker 1>they've been working on it for some time, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not at a point where they can really you know,

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<v Speaker 1>put something on a shelf and go look at this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>where people really take notice of it. In general, this

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<v Speaker 1>is all stuff that's taking place in universities and research facilities,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's you know, most of these machines that are

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<v Speaker 1>being made now or or these implementations of using DNA

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<v Speaker 1>for information digital information are really in the prototype stage.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're getting the technology that allows us to create

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<v Speaker 1>these machines is becoming more and more sophisticated and less expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course is key. It's huge any new Gordon

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<v Speaker 1>Moore explained that back in and when he did his

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<v Speaker 1>his paper about cramming more components onto an integrated circuit.

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<v Speaker 1>His point was not just that technology was advancing to

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<v Speaker 1>a point where we could shrink stuff down and fit

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<v Speaker 1>twice as many components onto a square inch of silicon

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<v Speaker 1>as we could a year ago. It was also that

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<v Speaker 1>the manufacturing process was becoming efficient enough and cheap enough

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<v Speaker 1>where that made sense. So same sort of thing here. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so we've we've determined that DNA contains information.

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<v Speaker 1>It because of its very structure, it can contain a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of information in a small volume. Uh. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't until about nine four, and I remember it

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<v Speaker 1>was the it was the fifties, the early fifties when

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<v Speaker 1>we started to really understand what DNA was and how

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<v Speaker 1>how it formed and how and its structured and everything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. In ninety four, a man named Leonard Edelman

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<v Speaker 1>came up with this idea. He sort of, uh introduced

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of using DNA to solve math problems. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was essentially this idea of coding DNA as if

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<v Speaker 1>it were a strip of binary code. And so he

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<v Speaker 1>took this idea and he sort of ran with it.

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<v Speaker 1>He began to formulate an idea about how to how

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<v Speaker 1>to create an experiment that could show that this would work.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because it's talking about a DNA computer.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you read about the experiment, it sounds more

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<v Speaker 1>like someone in a chemistry lab mixing various chemical compositions

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<v Speaker 1>together and then coming up with a solution at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of it. And that's it turns out that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a computational solution, not just a chemical solution. I

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<v Speaker 1>see what you did there, little word play there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little a little incredible. So he yeah, he um,

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<v Speaker 1>dissolved my objections. So wait, let me read. I'll read

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<v Speaker 1>the steps from our article on DNA computers, because I

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<v Speaker 1>want to explain how this early early early implementation of

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<v Speaker 1>a DNA computer, how it how it played out, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of amazing. All right. Here are the steps.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one strands of DNA represent the seven cities. Now

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<v Speaker 1>when it says seven cities in here, what he was

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<v Speaker 1>doing was he was trying to solve something called the

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<v Speaker 1>traveling salesman problem, also the directed Hamilton's path problem. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea being that you're supposed to find the shortest route

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<v Speaker 1>between a group of cities, and and it could be

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<v Speaker 1>any number really of cities, but you have to only

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<v Speaker 1>go through each city one time. Um, and it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>more complex. This is this is why this is such

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<v Speaker 1>a fascinating problem. Uh As Jonathan pointed out to me

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<v Speaker 1>right before, he reminded me that this is something that

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<v Speaker 1>quantum computing is fascinated with because this is such a

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you call it, thorny, a thorny problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was that problem that they were were that

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to work on, and he chose, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>seven in cities, he said that as his benchmark I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do. And see, this is this is an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting problem for h in computers because think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got seven cities. You can only travel through each

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<v Speaker 1>city once. You have to find the most efficient pathway

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<v Speaker 1>to go. Well, the way a computer would do this,

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, is to start going through every single possible

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<v Speaker 1>um permutation of that trip, going from city to city,

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<v Speaker 1>and determining which of those is the most efficient by

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<v Speaker 1>the end of it by comparing them all, which can

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<v Speaker 1>take ages and as as of course, as you add

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<v Speaker 1>more cities, as you add complexity to the problem, it

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<v Speaker 1>creates an exponentially more difficult problem for the computer to solve.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't think it's that unlike trying to

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<v Speaker 1>crack a password. In the in the you know, other

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<v Speaker 1>references we've made to these again, parallel processing. That's another

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<v Speaker 1>reason why quantum computers are very scary for anyone who's

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<v Speaker 1>in cryptography who wants to create good encryption, because they're

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<v Speaker 1>about using parallel processing to attack, you know, do a

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<v Speaker 1>brute force attack on a password. You can really reduce

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of time it would take you to crack

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<v Speaker 1>a password, like a password that would probably take you

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of years in classic computer time might only take

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<v Speaker 1>an hour in using a quantum computer because it's using

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<v Speaker 1>that parallel approach. So just remember, quantum computing is the

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<v Speaker 1>cure for the common code. Man, what is it with

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<v Speaker 1>you today? Chris is in a mood folks anyway, Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>so like getting back to getting back to this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>this this set of steps, all right. So Aedelman creates

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<v Speaker 1>strands of DNA that represent the seven cities. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it's these A, T, and CG pairings and then um,

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<v Speaker 1>these various sequences represent each city and possible flight path.

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<v Speaker 1>He then took the molecules that these strands of DNA

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<v Speaker 1>A and mixed them in a test tube, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of the strands of DNA stuck together in a chain

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<v Speaker 1>of those strands represented a potential answer to that question,

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<v Speaker 1>which of these you know, which route is the most efficient.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a few seconds, all of the possible combinations of

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<v Speaker 1>DNA strands were created in the test tube, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Edelman eliminated the wrong molecules through chemical reactions, which left

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<v Speaker 1>behind only the flight paths that connect all seven cities.

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<v Speaker 1>So here he was doing chemistry and looking at molecules

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<v Speaker 1>by uh it was and it was biological chemistry because

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<v Speaker 1>he was using organic DNA um and and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with the answer that way, which is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to me. I mean, it looks that sounds so

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<v Speaker 1>different from the way we think of computing today, where

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<v Speaker 1>you're using microprocessors and you know, a user interface looking

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<v Speaker 1>at screen. This guy is using test tubes and molecules

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<v Speaker 1>um and he was actually thinking at the time that

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<v Speaker 1>this would be DNA computing is going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>future because it packs so much information in such a

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<v Speaker 1>small form factor and it's plentiful because there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of life out there, and organic life relies on DNA heavily.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some that rely on RNA, but we're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to go into that. But Anyway, a great amount of

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<v Speaker 1>organic life out there has lots and lots of DNA,

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<v Speaker 1>so that we've got plenty of materials to work from. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>What's interesting is that since that time where his first

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<v Speaker 1>experiments were showing the viability of a DNA computer, our

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<v Speaker 1>ability to sequence synthetic DNA has improved to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where organic DNA is not really what we care about anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>We can synthesize DNA in the lab and just make

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<v Speaker 1>it ourselves so we don't have to um harvest it.

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<v Speaker 1>As Chris was saying in the pre show, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a totally different world if you realize

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<v Speaker 1>that your computer was running out a memory, so you

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<v Speaker 1>chucked another hamster into your machine so that you could

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<v Speaker 1>finish whatever it was you were doing. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>particularly gory idea. Well we didn't, but yeah, I left

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<v Speaker 1>out the part about the grinding noises, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>for flying out the back you yeah, yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was my contribution. Um yeah. They University of Rochester.

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<v Speaker 1>There were some researchers that found ways to use DNA

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<v Speaker 1>to create logic gates. Again in the n it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like um so uh, and that's we've touched on on

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<v Speaker 1>several occasions, but that those logic gates are basically key

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<v Speaker 1>to classic computing. Yeah, this is what, uh, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what allows the computer to dictate how information

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<v Speaker 1>moves through it so that it has any meaning. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The logic gates essentially dictate whether the zero or one

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<v Speaker 1>that goes into the gate comes out at zero or

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<v Speaker 1>one on the other side or something. Usually it's a pair.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's a zero and a one on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the gate, is that going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>one or zero? And it all depends on the type

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<v Speaker 1>of gate it is. UM And of course you you

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<v Speaker 1>can link a bunch of gates together to create all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of different outcomes depending upon what the input is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all very important from classical computing. So getting

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<v Speaker 1>to that step of being able to build logic gates

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<v Speaker 1>out of DNA it was pivotal if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to eventually build a true DNA computer. And

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<v Speaker 1>again this is you know, you compare the components of

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<v Speaker 1>a DNA computer to those of a an inorganic computer. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have, as a Jonathan pointed out, and Gordon

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<v Speaker 1>Moore's uh famous prediction that the transistors would double in

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<v Speaker 1>number per square inch of elicon. Back in the original prediction, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>you know every you know over a certain period of time,

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<v Speaker 1>which again has changed, you know, year, year and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>two years. The thing is, Um, we're talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>flat piece of silicon. And we've also talked about how

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<v Speaker 1>hard drives. The classical hard drive, UM, you know has

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<v Speaker 1>so much information on it. It's in a it's in

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<v Speaker 1>a flat plane. We've talked about electronic memory and how

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<v Speaker 1>you know this information is is getting stored, but we've

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<v Speaker 1>basically been talking two dimensional and and a long time

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<v Speaker 1>ago we talked about processors and how at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>due to the limitations of physics, like it's at some

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<v Speaker 1>point electrons will begin to tunnel through layers of the

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<v Speaker 1>material used to create transistors, basically making them ineffective. So

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<v Speaker 1>at some point, theoretically the traditional transistor chip is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be so full that you cannot fill it anymore

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<v Speaker 1>without having syria. It's electrical problems. So they were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about going into three D processors. Well, d n a

0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:09.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of goes around that problem or is a natural

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<v Speaker 1>if you will solution. Hey, for once, that wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>pun intended UM, because DNA is volumetric. It isn't It

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<v Speaker 1>can fit because of its its natural characteristics. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be in a two dimensional flat shape. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to stretch out the helix and stick it

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<v Speaker 1>on a piece of silicon or whatever to make it work. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and that gives uh, that gives computing so much more

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<v Speaker 1>advantage to move to a DNA based existence, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The the challenge is building eloquently. The challenge is building

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<v Speaker 1>the equipment that allows you to sequence and decode that information,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know that's where that's where the bottleneck is

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<v Speaker 1>right now, is that the It's not simple. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to get there. Yeah. But once we get to

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<v Speaker 1>a point where we're able to construct the DNA and

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<v Speaker 1>lay it out in such a way we were able

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<v Speaker 1>to pack in all that information, and then we have

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<v Speaker 1>the companion devices that can decode that and make it

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful to a computer again, then you're talking about some

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<v Speaker 1>huge leaps in storage capacity. One gram of d N

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<v Speaker 1>a can store up to four hundred and fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>billion gigabytes of data, which is about a hundred billion

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<v Speaker 1>DVDs worth of information. Yea, yea. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the article that sort of uh turned me

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<v Speaker 1>onto this idea was something that my friends Kim and

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<v Speaker 1>Tim pointed out to me in the in the Guardian,

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<v Speaker 1>which really wasn't that long ago August two thousand twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>They started talking about how books had been encoded in

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<v Speaker 1>DNA um and that that got me to thinking and

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<v Speaker 1>to suggesting this to Jonathan is a potential topic because

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's fascinating that d N a, something so small,

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<v Speaker 1>can hold that much information. And it's funny because the

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<v Speaker 1>story goes it talks about how Professor George Church lead

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<v Speaker 1>this project and he belongs to UM. He well, he

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<v Speaker 1>teaches it. He teaches at Havid. But not just Harvard,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Harvard Medical School. This is this is one of

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>those weird things, uh that this this overlaps science, computer

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:39.240
<v Speaker 1>science and h medicine. Yeah, and medicine. Yeah, so you've

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<v Speaker 1>got I'm sorry, physical science and medical science. Let's say

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 1>that right. That that's that's fine. That's a computer science

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 1>and and medical science. It's it's multidisciplinary obviously, just like

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>nanobiology or nanotechnology is a multidisciplinary approach. So is this

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:03.360
<v Speaker 1>DNA computer or DNA storage idea. So what what Professor

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<v Speaker 1>Church did was they decided to take a book that

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<v Speaker 1>was about five point to seven megabits of digital space

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>once you converted into digital information, and to encode that

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<v Speaker 1>as DNA. And um. They didn't do it just once.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided to duplicate it a few times, seven seventy

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<v Speaker 1>billion times, seventy billion copies of this book, which, according

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<v Speaker 1>to an article in Extreme Tech, prompted them to joke

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<v Speaker 1>that it made it the best selling book of all time, yes,

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and that it was. The seventy billion copies totaled about

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<v Speaker 1>forty four peda bytes of data. Um, so that is

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<v Speaker 1>slightly larger than the n A S I have attached

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<v Speaker 1>at my network at home. Yeah. Yeah, forty four pedo bites.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an incredible amount of information. It's also quite a

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>bit smaller my NA s. Yeah. So so when you

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 1>think about it, the the promise of DNA is that

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<v Speaker 1>with a relatively small amount of DNA you could store

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<v Speaker 1>the sum total of all human knowledge in a very

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>tiny compartment, relatively speaking, a tiny compartment. And um, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're able to use that same sort of uh of

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<v Speaker 1>capacity in a processing way as opposed to just storage

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<v Speaker 1>storage is great. I mean, that's fantastic, The the the Uh,

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>this project was really showing how using DNA is great

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>for archival purposes if you want to store information for

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>longevity sake. And another point about that is that I

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>love this, Yeah, is that here's here's an issue that

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>we have with storing information. The way we access information

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 1>changes over time, and some of the they're they're multiple

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 1>problems here. Sometimes the way we store information, uh, we

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>store it on a medium that can decompose, which means

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that as time passes, the likelihood that that data is

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>intact decreases. So let's say like a book. Okay, books

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 1>are susceptible to lots of different environmental factors that can

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 1>make them impossible to read. Right, So as time goes by,

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>a book's ability to preserve that information decreases, particularly depending

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 1>upon its environment. Yeah. And and one of the things

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>that's funny to me about this is and I'll keep

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>this short, but it's it's funny to me that in

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>a way, uh, the increase in technology um has only

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>increased the rate of data right as some people call it,

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Because you think about something like the Rosetta stone and

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>how long ago that was chiseled but it's still there

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>because hey, you know it's stone. If now, if you

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>left it out in the elements, eventually the the writing

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 1>on it will wear away due to the effects of erosion.

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>But um, that's longer lived than say paper, which could

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>be eaten by weevils, or could be affected by mold

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 1>or mildew or or even water or fire. Um. You

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:31.239
<v Speaker 1>know there there are many things acid in the paper. Um.

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 1>But but that would be longer lived than say, um,

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>a magnetic storage medium, which might may only live a

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>few decades because you've got with magnetic storage, Eventually that

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>magnetic properties starts to kind of and I have that

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>cop yeah, and I've had CDs and DVDs that I've

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 1>burned and a few years ago that are starting to

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>show signs of deterioration. And I'm thinking all this futuristic stuff,

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of funny. This uff that's chiseled in stone

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>is still there. Well. And on top of all that,

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>besides the fact that you've got these media, these media

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>that will that can degrade over time. Um, magnetic definitely

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>is more susceptible that I would say, than optical storage.

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>But but both can can degree and both are susceptible

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>to damage. I mean, just about everything is. But but

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the other problem is that we move away from those

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>older forms of media and eventually we get to a

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 1>point where nothing we have can read what we used

0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>to use, or if you do have something that can

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>read it, it's a legacy system. So like keeping old

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 1>computers around simply to read those documents, right, Like, like

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>anything that's on an old five and a quarter inch

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 1>diskette from the early days of the personal computer, you know,

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and I still have something. I would wager that most

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>people do not have easy access to such a disk drive. Um,

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, especially if you're just kind of an average

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>user and you've gone out and you're like, oh, I

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:05.719
<v Speaker 1>want a new laptop. You go again. If you buy

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>a new laptop today, you might not even have an

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 1>optical drive, which means that there you could come across

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>records of information that you have no way of accessing

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 1>because you do not have the tech capable of accessing it. Well.

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 1>D n A is a basic building block of organic life,

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>and so the idea is that because it's something so basic,

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>we will always have the ability and assuming that you know,

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 1>we don't have some sort of post apocalyptic event, while

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>an apocalyptic event that then leads to post apocalyptic events. Um,

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 1>then we should be able to have equipment that can

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 1>read this same information. Hey, do you have the instructions

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 1>on how to read DNA? Yeah, I say it on

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>that magnetic now here in Atlanta were used to post

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 1>apocalyptic events because we've got zombies. Yes, you may have

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>seen if you've watched the documentary The Walking Dead TV.

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 1>So um, yeah. The the idea was that this will

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>d n A does not degrade over time. Well, it

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 1>takes a much longer time than something like a paper book, right,

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 1>So since you're not worried about degrading. I mean when

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I say it doesn't degrade over time, we're talking generations here,

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.800
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of thousands of years. So yes, I wouldn't know.

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I haven't. Eventually it will degrade, but for the foreseeable

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>future it won't. Uh. It takes up far less space.

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.359
<v Speaker 1>We don't have to worry so much about not being

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>able to access the information anymore because against the basic

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 1>building block, we will presumably be still be interested in

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>DNA in the future. Uh. In fact, it become increasingly

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 1>interested as we learn more about how to uh to

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 1>tweet DNA to do things like fight off illnesses and

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and other scientific applications of that knowledge. So that was

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of the whole point was that it's great for

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>archival and that reason it's gonna it's it's it's a

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:06.239
<v Speaker 1>it's a more permanent solution in multiple ways. And UH,

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>that's really where the focus is on the recent articles

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>that we've been reading, although there's still obviously quite a

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 1>bit of development on the research and about building a

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 1>true DNA computer that would uh have an incredibly small

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 1>form factor. I mean, you're talking about uh DNA being

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the size of a couple of atoms, and this is

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>some small stuff. I mean, we could theoretically have a

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>DNA computer capable of performing huge calculations and storing an

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 1>enormous amount of data in a tiny, tiny form factor.

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>It would be amazing if we could look into the future,

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't know, twenty fifty years something like that,

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>where perhaps we have reached the point where this technology

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>is viable and and reproducible and economic, where we could

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>see it in applications that actually the average consumer could access.

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't just be the realm of the scientific community

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>or the research community. It would also be within our

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>grasp because then can you imagine you can have a

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 1>smartphone that could literally contain all the data that we

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 1>have ever generated, ever since the dawn of man on

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 1>your phone. I was waiting for you to go all

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the data. No, that was it, just all of all

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 1>the data, um well, all the data we have access to.

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Um there there. It's astounding to think of something uh

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>so common that has been with us for so long

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 1>being an answer and a fairly easy answer to a

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:47.839
<v Speaker 1>lot of these problems. I mean, like I said, it's

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>not easy to get there. But the idea is like

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 1>really just DNA. As it turns out, you know, they've

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 1>they've been using synthetic DNA to to run these experiments,

0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and there are some drawbacks. One of where is it

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 1>can't be rewritten. That is true. So once you write

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.759
<v Speaker 1>that data, it's that's another reason why people are talking

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:11.480
<v Speaker 1>about for archival purposes. Once you write the data, that's it. Now. Granted,

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.759
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about a construct that's so small that you

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>could keep doing that indefinitely and not have to worry

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 1>about taking up too much space. But right now, right,

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>but but you know you can't you can't always think

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:31.280
<v Speaker 1>that way, because someday that will catch up to you apparented.

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>That might be when we're actually saying, hey, hey, we

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:35.880
<v Speaker 1>finally got a plan on how to get off this

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 1>rock because the sun's gonna swallow us up in another

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>million years. That that would never happen. By the way,

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>don't don't write into me and explain to me why

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that would be ridiculous. I understand. I was just using

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 1>that as a an example. Well, and and the other

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:55.880
<v Speaker 1>thing is, um, you know, And yes, I realized that

0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>this is you know that you could destroy DNA, but

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 1>um thinking about that, the sensitive information can't be erased,

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:09.759
<v Speaker 1>then you would need to keep up with your Let's

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 1>say you had a DNA drive like you have a

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>flash drive to carry back and forth with you, uh,

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and it gets lost and it had I don't know,

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>important sensitive documents related to national security or um, you know,

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 1>the secret um uh copy of your unpublished book, and

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody else runs across it and makes billions of dollars

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>off of it because they found it. You can't you

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.360
<v Speaker 1>can't remotely wipe that information. I don't know how you

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 1>would do that without without physically destroying the material. So

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 1>it's that's sort of a uh, a minor drawback really,

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>but it's something it's it's something very different from the

0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 1>media that we typically talk about so clearly in that case,

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>you would be talking about, all right, well, now we've

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>got this incredible archival ability. Now we have to figure

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 1>out a way of securing it. Well, don't see that. Well,

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.439
<v Speaker 1>and this brings me to my brilliant science fiction idea,

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:08.439
<v Speaker 1>which I I said in the pre show. I said,

0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>if if someone steals this, I will find you. See.

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>That was my That was my like shout out to

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>your no, no, I'm sharing it because if someone out

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 1>there makes this, I want to cut. So here's the

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 1>sci fi idea. Guys. You have a character who is

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 1>just an ordinary guy or girl, you know, someone who

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>is going through life and they've got the same sort

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 1>of challenges and problems and joys and despairs as all

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the rest of us. But then suddenly they noticed that

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.319
<v Speaker 1>they're being watched and people are closing in on them,

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 1>and they don't know why because they're just a normal person,

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and so they're trying to get away, and it turns

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:50.400
<v Speaker 1>out they find out that they themselves are a synthetic

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 1>life form. They were built in a lab from the

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 1>ground up, and in fact, their DNA contains this incredibly

0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 1>important information. In coded into this person's very being is

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>a secret message of such import that various forces are

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.959
<v Speaker 1>closing in on them, determined to get hold of this person,

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>lop off a finger and figure out what the heck

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 1>is going on, And so the character has to go

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:18.399
<v Speaker 1>through this incredible series of adventures in order to figure out.

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a journey of self discovery as well

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 1>as protection. And there's a whole like hero arc and

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 1>the credits are great and Bruce Willis stars and I

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 1>want to cut I've got data under my skin, are

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>in it and through it. So, guys, yeah that was

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure someone's gonna write in and say, yeah, that

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 1>was a great story when so and so wrote years ago.

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I want to read it. Yeah, yeah, I I have

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 1>no illusions that someone has not already come up with

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 1>that idea. But if they haven't, and then you guys

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 1>think that's a great idea and you want to go

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:54.920
<v Speaker 1>out and make it. Remember, I want to credit and

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 1>some money or at least a sandwich. Come on, writer's

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 1>gotta eat all right, assassinating stuff though it's it's the

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing that I would never have thought to do.

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean I'm blown away by that. Yeah,

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a pretty fascinating subject. And like we said,

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.839
<v Speaker 1>there's that we have some great articles on how stuff

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 1>wor actually can go and check those out and read

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>up on DNA and DNA computers and you know, like

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I said, there are the articles on the Guardian as

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 1>well as other places that are talking about this storage

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 1>medium and it blows my mind. I'm really really excited

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 1>to hear more about this and to see it develop

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.440
<v Speaker 1>over time, because in another decade or so, the technology

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 1>may be there where this is not such a a

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>huge task and we could see like the entire Library

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 1>of Congress stored in a computer that fits in a

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:50.359
<v Speaker 1>drop of water. Yeah, it's pretty amazing, it is, alright, guys, Well,

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:52.920
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0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:55.520
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0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:59.480
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0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:01.680
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0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:04.839
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0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:12.440
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