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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Alli. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. It is a Friday. That means, well, yes,

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Speaker 1: a couple of.

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Speaker 2: Days away here at the game.

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Speaker 1: I'll leave for l A tomorrow morning and then well

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Speaker 1: then I'll try to escape from l A. I'll be

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Speaker 1: like Snake Pliskin.

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Speaker 2: Do you want you Snake Pliskin movies? I have not,

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Speaker 2: but they're good.

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Speaker 1: Huh yeah, okay, classic classic Snake Pliskins.

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Speaker 2: Like he's the man that's I've heard. I heard You're

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Speaker 2: gonna go out of your way to hopefully be back

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Speaker 2: by Monday drive time.

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Speaker 1: I will be back by Monday's drive. Yeah, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a long day, long night Sunday night into Monday

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Speaker 1: Monday is gonna be awful.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's Unruta.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe we'll have a Steeler win to talk about.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that as the show goes on here.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I just looking at some things here

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Speaker 1: about this game. Okay, here's a stat for you, Matt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, we know we've talked all about coming.

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Speaker 2: Off the bys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah a good right, Okay, Mike Tomlin is forty four

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Speaker 1: and forty outright in his coaching career as an underdog.

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Speaker 2: Wow. I mean some of those are probably twelve points,

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Speaker 2: times are tough.

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Speaker 1: He's the only head coach in the Super Bowl era

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Speaker 1: to have a winning record as an underdog among coaches

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Speaker 1: who have been an underdog in more than fifty games.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, that's unbelievable. I mean, fifty is a huge number, right,

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Speaker 2: But you're taking if you coach, you're not gonna do.

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Speaker 2: If you coach.

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Speaker 1: Fifty games, you're probably a pretty good coach.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: If you've been an underdog fifty times.

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Speaker 2: That means that, you know, yeah, you've lasted You've last Belichick, right, right.

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Speaker 1: That's Mike Holmgren, that's Cower, that's you know, all these guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Last eight years. If you're an underdog fifty times over

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Speaker 2: eight year, maybe not maybe not that many, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: double digits probably probably ten. Yeah, that would be five.

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Speaker 1: You were an underdog five times per year.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. I'm shocked by that, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: I'd be more curious even like what if it's five

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Speaker 2: I bet there's still very very few.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, forty four and forty Now that that doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: like a great record, but that's outright as an underdogs.

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Speaker 2: When your quarterbacks hurt. Yeah, you know, everyone has those

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Speaker 2: couple of games a year where you got five guys

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Speaker 2: you know, and you win more of those games than

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Speaker 2: you lose, and against good teams.

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Speaker 1: Against yeah, against teams that were favored against. Yeah, outright,

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Speaker 1: probably this is you know, this isn't The Lions I

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Speaker 1: think are fourteen and two in their last sixteen games

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Speaker 1: against the spreads, which is kind of crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy. I mean, it's much shocked that

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Speaker 2: they're really good. I'm shocked that are fourteen and two.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean they were probably underdogs in a lot

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, people because they were short, right, they were.

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Speaker 1: Bad last you know, going into last year. So but

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Speaker 1: he might not to handle these kind of situations.

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Speaker 1: Three point underdogs heading the Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: And I'm a little shocked there a dog. I mean

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Watt back at practice today. Uh good, he is ready

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Speaker 2: Will they act assuming he's ready to go, will they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, looking at the Rams injury report yet, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Nose tackle Kobe Turner was back as a full participant.

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Speaker 1: Offensive lineman Joe Noutbaugh note Boom was limited. Kevin Dotson again,

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Speaker 1: I got another fool and again we talked about this

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Speaker 1: To McVeigh for doing that. There are some coaches who

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, it's a good point. I mean a lot

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Speaker 2: of people were just what's going on? Will be Yeah,

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Speaker 1: No, the guy got arrested and was in jail overnight

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Speaker 2: Right, and he has every right to be out at

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Speaker 2: two in the morning, three in the morning if you will. Sure,

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Speaker 2: but it's still not the best look, you know, with the.

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Speaker 1: Driving around with a gun in a bag of weed, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, right right. So there you have it. So

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Speaker 2: all in all, two pretty healthy teams. Yeah, pretty the

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Speaker 2: most part. Yeah, there's not a lot of big dogs out.

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Speaker 2: It'd be nice to get Friar moved back. And his

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Speaker 2: durability is starting to worry me a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'm not getting really concerned about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just spent a lot of time over a

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Speaker 1: It's tight ends.

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Speaker 2: That's what happens to them.

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Speaker 1: I mean that we'd said same thing about George Kittle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is what happens to tight ends that

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Speaker 2: I mean he gets beat up, no, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Everything that you do is a tight end. You're either

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You don't think he'll be extended, No, I don't

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Speaker 2: think so. Jacksonville is certainly in play.

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing is going to be seeing what happens

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Speaker 1: coming down the road with Cam Hayward. He's obviously eligible

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Speaker 2: They could start his clock.

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Speaker 1: They could start It wouldn't surprise me if they start

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Speaker 2: That'd be tremendous. I mean, that'd be a great boost.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully they don't have a lot of injuries in this

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Speaker 2: I mean, needless to say Cam is missed and would

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Speaker 1: I think with Friarmuth out, you know, everybody's you look

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Speaker 1: and they've already given up three touchdowns to opposing tight ends.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's focusing on, Well, they got to ge Darnell Washington involved, huh,

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Speaker 2: Hayward's the mismatch, I mean, the route runner, the after

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people are to me, you're looking at Darnell Washington

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Speaker 1: in the wrong light. Darnell Washington is a bigger, stronger

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Speaker 2: Man, cheaper, younger, and all those things too.

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Speaker 1: But he's not a great pass catcher. He wasn't a

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Speaker 1: He's not quick out of the gates.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, he's once he gets dried and

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Speaker 2: he gets moving pretty good, and he's a big body

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Speaker 1: Could he be a red zone target, certainly?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, have we seen that yet? No, but we

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Speaker 1: That yet because they haven't gotten in the red zone

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think he only has two targets

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Speaker 2: But still, he's never going to be a sixty seventy.

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Speaker 1: No, No, he wasn't that in college.

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Speaker 1: Could he again, Could he be the guy that they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he can be more than just

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Speaker 2: I mean I think there's more there.

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Speaker 1: But I think, you know, maybe you start bringing out

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Speaker 1: the little slip screens and things that The one catch

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Speaker 1: that he does have this season was a roll out

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Speaker 2: That's fine. He'll do a lot of that stuff, I think, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's part of it. Yeah, but I don't think he's

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Speaker 2: a lot of sharp breaking routes things like that too.

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Speaker 1: This should be a game where they get into the

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Speaker 1: red zone.

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 1: The Rams have nineteen red zone trips themselves. They've allowed

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Speaker 1: nineteen red zone trips. Everybody thinks about high Yeah, everybody

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Speaker 1: assumes that, well, this is a high powered, you know,

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Speaker 1: Rams offense. The defense not so much.

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Speaker 2: No, And they're they're very bend, but don't break. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and they break, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: buye do they employ more Nickel. But to your point,

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Speaker 2: I don't think you do in this game because I

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Speaker 1: You know what you're doing when you do that, as well,

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Speaker 2: So I wouldn't expect that to change. And the other

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Speaker 1: I just look at it as like they're not going

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Speaker 2: Williams is good in protection. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I agree with that. And it was funny.

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Speaker 2: We had a conversation with Meryll Hodge last night and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was blown away by that. He didn't know

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Speaker 1: I would I would do some blitzing in this game,

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Speaker 2: And say, if I'm not dedicating Minca to Higbee, I

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff with them.

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Speaker 1: I might let make a cover Cup a little bit.

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Speaker 2: He can hang with him athletically. Yeah, I mean Cup's

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Speaker 2: more like Kelsey than he is Tyreek Hill. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: I'm like, because of the color of the skin and

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Speaker 2: Tom's like, yeah, I just made that mistake before you

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Speaker 2: Block defensive ends with him. I mean he's a big body.

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Speaker 1: Guy, and the Cup is basically the same guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really thick strong. Yeah, they have those guys cracked

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that'll be interesting to see, you know that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're gonna get to a break.

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio, and Matt just looking here at the

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Speaker 1: DVOA stats updated through through week six heading into Week seven.

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Speaker 1: These are on FTN Fantasy. These of course done by

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Speaker 1: Aaron Shatz.

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Speaker 2: And folks, these aren't like cumulative like most sacks. I mean,

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Speaker 2: so if you've missed a game, it's not like you're

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Speaker 2: getting short. Doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yah, yeah, yeah, although you do miss out on

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Speaker 1: the game to miss.

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Speaker 2: An opportunity to improve or yeah right right right.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just looking here at the DAVE, which is

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Speaker 1: the adjusted.

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Speaker 2: That's after four weeks. I think that comes in. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that comes out.

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Speaker 1: So looking at the offense here for the rams, they come.

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Speaker 2: In at tenth, they're nine. I'm pretty good number nine.

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Speaker 1: Again that that takes opponents into consideration, things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers are sixteenth offense offensively. People might fans might

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Speaker 1: look at that and say that's unbelievable. I can't possibly be.

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Speaker 2: The case because any counting stat isn't good. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we all know those things. I assume it.

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Speaker 1: Takes into account who you've played.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and as say, I know this through an EPA lens,

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Speaker 2: which is more or less the same thing. These are

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Speaker 2: advanced things of really smart football people. Far in a

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Speaker 2: way the hardest slate of defenses thus far, and away people.

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Speaker 1: People are selling like the Houston Texans deep like here

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Speaker 1: that So I'm just going to look at the defenses

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Speaker 1: rankings here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and who the Steelers are faced? Really good?

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Speaker 1: So they faced they played the Browns who were number one?

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Speaker 2: Are they a distant one?

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Speaker 3: Umm?

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Speaker 2: Not really? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Buffalo is second.

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Speaker 2: Okay. This also takes int account who they've played. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna say, because the Browns would not ad a

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Speaker 2: brutal slate of games.

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Speaker 1: San Francisco is third.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they played one in three, one and three.

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Speaker 1: Uh, and then you get the Cowboys Alliance the Saints.

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Speaker 1: Then you have at seven the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: That adds up too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's three. Houston's defense. Well, they're a little

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Speaker 1: farther down on the adjusted than I thought. They're twenty fifth.

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Speaker 2: I expected them to be better than that there.

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Speaker 1: I think they're better than that in the regulars. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they haven't given up a ton of yards.

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Speaker 2: The Raiders aren't horrible either.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders are twenty fourth and adjusted.

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Speaker 2: Like I looked, I think a lot of people look

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Speaker 2: at them like they're thirtieth.

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Speaker 1: They're ahead of They're actually ahead of Houston. If you

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Speaker 1: look at this Rams defense, it's twenty sixth is an adjustice.

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Speaker 2: I could see that. I mean, very few sacks, a

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Speaker 2: lot of yardage.

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Speaker 1: Allow a bunch of turnovers right right, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean it's pretty vanilla.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this will be the easiest defense, at least

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Speaker 1: adjusted defense.

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Speaker 2: That the Steelers have faced this year.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers defense, on the other is ninth and adjusted defense.

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Speaker 1: And people might look at that, well, I can't be

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Speaker 1: the case. They're whatever in yardage that they've allowed.

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Speaker 2: Big plays go a long way.

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Speaker 1: Big plays go a long way. And also how did

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Speaker 1: the game flow go? You know, were you ahead and

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Speaker 1: if you just throw throw throw or were we you know,

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Speaker 1: for example, the game against the Raiders, Steelers are up

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Speaker 1: twenty three to seven going into the fourth quarter. The

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Speaker 1: Raiders dominated offensively the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Because all they did was throw the football.

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Speaker 1: At every play, so they had a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: yards and it's empty yardage. Even win the game.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, it depends and if you're going to let them,

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Speaker 2: if the clock was your enemy more than points at

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Speaker 2: that point, you know, I mean you want to keep

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Speaker 2: them bound.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to take you want to take fourteen

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Speaker 1: plays to go down to score a touch out in

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Speaker 1: eight minutes off the clock when we've got a three

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Speaker 1: score lead, have at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So the Rams are like, would we say

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Speaker 2: twenty six in D nine to oh yeah, who's higher overall?

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Speaker 2: Steelers or Rams?

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Speaker 1: The Rams are higher overall?

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Speaker 2: Are they think they'd be close with those two? Just

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Speaker 2: with those rankings?

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Speaker 1: Well, let me see if I can get the over

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Speaker 1: a total DAVE total. I'm gotta look at it that way.

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Speaker 1: The total day of ranking, the Rams come in at, Well,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers are higher the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers are fourteenth, okay, fourteenth best team in the

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Speaker 2: league according to this. According to this just not crazy.

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Speaker 1: The Rams are sixteenth and a big, a big reason

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Speaker 1: why the Rams are thirtieth. They're twenty sixth defensively, they're

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Speaker 1: thirtieth on special times.

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Speaker 2: I wonder how teams are. I think it's an issue

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Speaker 2: for them. They've missed their share of kicks.

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Speaker 1: They've missed kicks they give up. It's fourteen and a

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Speaker 1: half yards per punt returns.

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Speaker 2: One of the returns was bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kick returns, nobody really doesn't. That doesn't matter, right,

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Speaker 1: But this is what happens when you have so many

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Speaker 1: young guys playing for depth, guys, your depth is all

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Speaker 1: young players. They don't killer, they don't have a Miles

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Speaker 1: Killer break yeah, no, no.

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Speaker 2: Lifer special team or they can't afford them.

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Speaker 1: They can't afford it, right, So you're you're gonna suffer

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Speaker 1: in those situations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't even know. They couldn't even resign

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Speaker 2: Mac Gay, you know what I mean. Like, they love

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Speaker 2: their kicker, the kicker, and they had to let him walk,

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Speaker 2: so I don't even I forget this dude's name, but

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Speaker 2: he's he's not Dicker the kicker, right, he's cheap guy,

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Speaker 2: the kicker. Yeah. So yeah.

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Speaker 1: So right between the Steelers and Rams are the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm sure they're moving up. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: were really low before.

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Speaker 3: But fourteenth fran overall they number one, yes, number one,

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Speaker 3: like the top five and bottom five.

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Speaker 1: One is San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: I think they should be two is Buffalo? Get it?

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Speaker 2: I mean they beat Miami.

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Speaker 1: They're their fourth and offense, second in defense, and fourteenth

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Speaker 1: on special teams, so pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Over Yeah, I mean that's one of the team are definitely.

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Speaker 1: San Francisco's two, three and nineteen Wow. Uh, you got

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Speaker 1: Kansas City at three.

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Speaker 2: Their defense is pretty high. I bet they're tenth on defense. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: one just thinks about the offense for them.

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Speaker 1: Third on offense because they don't turn the ball over.

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Speaker 2: That's huge. Yeah, they do not make the mistakes. Detroit

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Speaker 2: is four. I know DVOA is very strong, which I

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Speaker 2: agree with on big plays and big plays allowed. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's why I see their deeds strong too. And then four,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, four was Detroit. That adds up.

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Speaker 1: Five is the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: Okay, those two teams play each other this week. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: then you get Miami all the way down at six.

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Speaker 2: Is there a defense like twenty second? Three?

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Speaker 1: They're number one in offense or twenty first in defense,

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Speaker 1: thirty first on special teams?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew they have special teams issues. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: they're very lopsided.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles are seven, the Cowboys are eight, the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: are nine, the Browns are Tenkay.

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Speaker 2: That seems like a quality top ten. I can. I

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Speaker 2: think after you get to like seven or eight, it

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Speaker 2: gets a little foggy, you know, when we do power

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Speaker 2: ranks and things like that. Yeah, Jags, I guess we're

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Speaker 2: trending the right direction. I didn't think they were super

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Speaker 2: impressive last night neither, but they won. Yeah, they go

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Speaker 2: out to a big lead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just looking out just outside that. The Chargers are eleven,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks twelve, the Saints thirteen. Then you get the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals, the Rams. You get the Packers at seventeen,

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Speaker 1: the Jets at eighteen. Jets are number one on special

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Speaker 1: teams and number eight on defense, thirtieth on offense. The

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Speaker 1: Vikings are nineteen, the Buccaneers are twenty, Washington is twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Atlanta twenty two. The Cults are twenty three, the Raiders

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Speaker 1: twenty four. That's because their twentieth on offense, twenty fourth

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Speaker 1: on defense, fifteen. They're just kind of not great at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like what.

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Speaker 1: We talked about before the Steelers played them. Get the

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Speaker 1: Titans at twenty five, the Patriots at twenty six. Somehow,

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Speaker 1: the Texans are all the way down at twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: They're rising twenty sixth on offense, twenty fifth on defense,

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Speaker 1: fifth on special teams.

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Speaker 2: But they don't turn the ball over. No, and that

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Speaker 2: doesn't past the SNA Snift test either. They've been Stroud's

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Speaker 2: been good. Yeah, their offense was great against Steelers. Their

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Speaker 2: defense has been pretty good several games this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't remember any stinkers.

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Speaker 1: Again, maybe that's some of the some of the scheduling

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Speaker 1: stuff comes into play. Sure they play because you played

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Speaker 1: the Colts and you played the you know, some of

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Speaker 1: these bad teams.

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Speaker 2: I bet the VOA is higher than Dave for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean the Broncos are twenty eighth,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals twenty ninth, the Bears are thirtieth, the Giants

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Speaker 1: are thirty first, and then you have the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 2: At thirty two.

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Speaker 1: This is you know, when we talked about the Steelers'

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Speaker 1: schedule this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who's still remaining?

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Speaker 1: That's they play the Cardinals. Yeah, they still have a

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Speaker 1: game with the Patriots, who are twenty what twenty six?

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Speaker 1: You get the Titans in a couple of weeks. They're

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth, and you're you're not going to have their

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Speaker 1: quarterback back.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't think.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a Thursday night game, so there's no

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Speaker 1: way he's getting back for that. Yeah, you still play

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Speaker 1: the Colts, who are twenty third.

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Speaker 2: The division is not super high. Yeah, and Baltimore was

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Speaker 2: like six or seven, you.

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Speaker 1: Still play the Packers who are below you on this

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Speaker 1: I mean, there there are games there that you know this.

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Speaker 1: That's why this game this week, Yeah, this game this

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Speaker 1: week is one of these swing games that you look

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Speaker 1: at and over the course of the season, if you

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Speaker 1: can win this one and take care of business in

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Speaker 1: those games against some of the really lesser teams, you.

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Speaker 2: Can get the ten wins pretty quick. Yeah you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, no, no, I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: I think this game, the Seattle game, obviously, the division

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Speaker 1: games are extremely important in that now. Of course, the

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Speaker 1: game against the Jaguars at home.

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Speaker 2: Jag game, Colt game, yeah, Tennessee game. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: would think you're favorite against the Colts and Jags. I

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Speaker 2: think it would be right now.

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis is out there, so you don't know. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: at least you know the Titans. You play the Titans

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Speaker 1: at home, you play the Patriots at home. Jags is here, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Arizona is here, and they're bad.

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Speaker 2: You know, take care of some of these games.

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Speaker 1: You've already got three in the bank, and then win

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Speaker 1: a couple, win some of these swing games, and you'll

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Speaker 1: be all right.

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Speaker 2: Can you do me a quick favor in sort it

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Speaker 2: by offense by offense, because I'm shocked the Steelers are sixteen.

657
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Speaker 2: I would also be shocked if they're thirty two, considering

658
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Speaker 2: that the you know, you had, the level of opponent

659
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Speaker 2: is so high when you.

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Speaker 1: Look at like when you look at it, they moved

661
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Speaker 1: the ball against Cleveland as well as, if not better

662
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Speaker 1: than everybody else.

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Speaker 2: True, I mean, I'm sure that has a lot to

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Speaker 2: do to then. Now you said that, I mean the

665
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Speaker 2: fact that they had successful drives against the number one

666
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Speaker 2: d Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Browns are allowing two hundred yards of

668
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: offense per game. Yeah, that's what they're allowing.

669
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Speaker 2: The yards for play is extraordinary and all that kind

670
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: of stuff. I'm just wondering who, like the bottom five

671
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: offenses are.

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Speaker 1: You're looking at Carolina, because folks, I'm not excusing what

673
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: the Steelers have done on offense.

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00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: It's been bad. But the fact that there's a lot

675
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Speaker 2: of them that are below the Steelers, I think speaks

676
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Speaker 2: to where the league is right now.

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Speaker 1: He goat Carolina, the Giants.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the Jets, that Bears, the Patriots, the Cardinals, we mentioned, Houston, Washington, Indianapolis, the.

679
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Speaker 1: Titans, the Buccaneers, the Browns, the Raiders, Falcons.

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Speaker 2: There's not many of those. Same would swap the Steelers.

681
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: Offense Broncos and then you get to the Steelers.

682
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: Wow, so they're not good teams. Yeah.

683
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Speaker 1: I'm listening to a fantasy show today on the way

684
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Speaker 1: in and they're talking about Sam Howe for example. So

685
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Speaker 1: Sam Howse played one high level defense.

686
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Speaker 2: This year, they at the Giants. This week he.

687
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: Played Buffalo and he got destroyed in that game. And

688
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Speaker 1: you said, well, Sam Howse, he's playable. He's he's been

689
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: great at a quarterback in fantasy, in fantasy.

690
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 2: And fantasy in the real worlds he runs too, but

691
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: nobody cares about sacks.

692
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: He hasn't played anybody. And they find they finally did

693
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Speaker 1: get because they were talking about quarterback in a short

694
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: week with six teams off, who would you you know,

695
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: which which teams would you look to get a quarterback from?

696
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, what about Kenny Pickett. Well, he's

697
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: only really only had one good game.

698
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: What came when he when he.

699
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: Wasn't playing one of these high level defenses. So it

700
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: was okay to excuse Sam Howe in the one game

701
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: he's played against a high level defense, it wasn't okay

702
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Speaker 1: to say, well, Kenny Picketts played for you know, four

703
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: tough defenses.

704
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and therefore you know they're the one Yeah.

705
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Speaker 1: The one game when he didn't play one of these

706
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: top defenses was against he was the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: He was fine. Yeah, Yeah, I'm sure how has more

708
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: Fantasy points this year than pick Yeah, he's like top

709
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: five to do with it, yeah yeah, yeah exactly, And

710
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Speaker 2: plus he's running more.

711
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Speaker 1: But do you think he's going to sustain that once

712
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Speaker 1: he starts playing the Eagles and the Cowboys.

713
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Speaker 2: No, I don't think he's gonna last two more weeks.

714
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: He broke it in half, right, Yeah, and a lot

715
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: of them were on him. But opponents matter, especially when

716
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: it's a short you like, it's not ten games, it's

717
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: not fifteen games, you know where it balances out more.

718
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Speaker 1: So, I expect I expect Kenny Pickkett to have a

719
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Speaker 1: much better game this week.

720
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Speaker 2: I do too. I'll be critical if he doesn't, right, yeah, And.

721
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Speaker 1: If he doesn't do it, if it's if it doesn't

722
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: look as if it doesn't look like it did against

723
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Speaker 1: the Raiders. And I'm not saying they played a great

724
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: offensive game against Raiders, but it looked like a much

725
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: better offense.

726
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it needs to be every

727
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: drives a touchdown like the preseason, no, but I mean

728
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Speaker 2: I'd like it to look like the Raider game, the

729
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: second half of the Ravens game, the second half of

730
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: last year. I mean, like, move the ball.

731
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Speaker 1: Move the ball, move the ball, consistently, open revers and

732
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: oftentimes it turns into game script when you go into

733
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Speaker 1: these games knowing that, okay, this is you know, coaches,

734
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: the coaches have a pretty good idea of what the

735
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: opposing team has. So I don't know that the Steeler coaches.

736
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Speaker 1: We went into the game against the Browns in Week

737
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: two and said, I wasn't sure about the Browns defense

738
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: reading into that game based off based off what they

739
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Speaker 1: had done in Week one. Yeah right, I mean yeah,

740
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Speaker 1: I'm sure were the coaching staff looked at that and said, well,

741
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: this defense actually looks pretty good when you watch the

742
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: tape and that kind.

743
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: Of stuff they're flying around.

744
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so they probably had a much better So

745
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a you know, we're gonna play

746
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: this pretty close to the vest. We don't want we

747
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: think we can turn to Sean Watson over we don't

748
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: want to make.

749
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: That mistake at that point. Yeah, it still is and we.

750
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: Don't want to make those mistakes. So let's not try

751
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: anything risky in this game.

752
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: Like I would think this game is very different. I

753
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: would think this would know exactly what Stafford is. Yeah,

754
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: I mean if you don't, then shame on you. I

755
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: mean he's been doing this in a RAMS uniform.

756
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: To that point, you kind of knew what Garoppolo was.

757
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't know when.

758
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: You played detections. Really, what can I remember? I asked, Uh,

759
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, I if at that point the three game

760
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: sample size, I asked Tara Austin, is a three game

761
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: sample size enough to know enough about a quarterback?

762
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: He said, no, absolutely, not coaching staff for that match

763
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: for that matter. Yeah, I mean he's coaching against Slowak

764
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator right, who was working a Pro Football

765
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: Focus a year ago. I forget where he came from.

766
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: I know he's had some time there, but he doesn't

767
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: have an extensive coaching background to know his tendencies.

768
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that matters.

769
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, and they don't see McVeigh often. But

770
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: you know what McVeigh is all about. I mean, there's

771
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: plenty of tape, and you know what Stafford is all about.

772
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: And frankly, you should know what this defense is all about.

773
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: Not because Tomlin and Morris or buddies.

774
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: That help, but he's got a track record, He's got

775
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: a track he's been a defensive coordinator before.

776
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: Yes, but I also think their personnel is so odd

777
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: on defense that Okay, maybe one of these dudes nobody

778
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: knows anything about, is better than we think, but probably not.

779
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Donald's great, We know that.

780
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: I mean, they know what a Wetherspoon struggles with as

781
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: a cornerback. Ye know, they know what Kevin Dotson struggles

782
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: with is a defensive lineman. You expect them to test those.

783
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: Those defensive linemen that I've never heard of that lineup next

784
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: to Donald probably aren't the next Chris Jones. Probably probably not.

785
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. So I mean I expect them

786
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: to play this one a little more. And you know that,

787
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: you know the Rams can score a little.

788
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: Bit, They're going to score, right, yeah, I mean I

789
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: didn't know the Raiders were going to put up big

790
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: numbers or the Browns or what you know. You don't

791
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: don't know that going in. Yeah, but you're not going

792
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 2: to keep the Rams under fourteen points.

793
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: So you know you're gonna look at this and say, okay,

794
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: we got to at least score not using Bob's terms

795
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: for you know, through four touchdowns, but you better at

796
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 1: least score twenty four.

797
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: Get to twenty twenty four will be good, right right right?

798
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 2: I like no chance if they get twenty four.

799
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that's how you play this game.

800
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: In a game against the Ravens, you look at it

801
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: and go, well, you know, we have a track record

802
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: here against these teams. We know what these games are like.

803
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: So maybe the first team the twenty wins it, you know,

804
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: and then maybe you don't even get there.

805
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: And that's what that's always wonder these Ravens games, is

806
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: it is self fulfilling profit. Absolutely. Both coaches are like

807
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: I know that, guys are that. So they both just

808
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 2: get conservative and tough.

809
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: And because they've been in these things long enough to

810
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: know that the team that makes the big mistake usually loses.

811
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: You know, they fear losing more than the other way around. Yeah,

812
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, Now I'm with you, and I will

813
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: say we'll talk about this more of the prediction time.

814
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: I think think the Steelers will create big plays on defense, yeah,

815
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: I mean maybe not a ten of them.

816
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: Stafford will throw the ball to the other team.

817
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's not risk averse, and he realizes I

818
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: kind of have to be superman.

819
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 1: For us to win, especially without the running backs.

820
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. I mean he will take chances, and mcveigh's

821
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: takes a lot of chances with five man protections and

822
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: things like that. Yeah, I mean that's what they do.

823
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: So they realize, hey, some bad things will probably happen,

824
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: and Matthew, will you overcome it? We hope, otherwise we

825
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: can't win.

826
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's going to be the interesting part of

827
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: this game. And the Steelers aren't nearly as bad as

828
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: what you might think.

829
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: And I'm if that was thirty two. We tell you

830
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: they're thirty two.

831
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the stats don't lie. The stats are

832
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: on TV. I didn't come up with.

833
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: This, No, we've been quoting DVOA since the Drive existed. Yeah,

834
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: I think it's one of my favorite stats out there.

835
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite metrics.

836
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not our metrics, it's comes from I mean,

837
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: this is a twenty plus years of doing this.

838
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean they're on the football side. The

839
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: Godfather football metrics is what they call him or whatever.

840
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so andway we're gonna get to another break. He

841
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening

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00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,200
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852
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: Watt. Not bad. Not bad that I want to bet.

853
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: On top of that, he's also part of today's trivia question.

854
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Edmund Nelson or TJ. Watt, who has the

855
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: most sacks in a Steelers game against against Wat's only

856
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: played them once, so it's kind of yeah, it's kind

857
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: of it.

858
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 2: I don't know how many times i'd been played him,

859
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: but he was actually pretty good pass rusher too in

860
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: his day. Bad. Yeah, yeah, I didn't even know what

861
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: the question was. If you're going to put those two

862
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: out there, everyone in the world's gonna fall for a while.

863
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: I'm going for you have to think it.

864
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: You have to use a little logic on that one.

865
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly one performance. But he's done quite well. I'm

866
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: sure he's gonna do quite well this week. I'll give

867
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: you a lot any worried about his injury stuff, Right, he's.

868
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: Back, No, he's fine. Yeah, he's fine.

869
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a little heads up on tomorrow's question.

871
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: That's why you listen to the show.

872
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

873
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: For Saturday, it's Penn State or Ohio State. They play

874
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: each other this weekend. Which school has produced more Steelers

875
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: draft picks last week?

876
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: I didn't put two and two together that Oregon was

877
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: playing Washington.

878
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: It's the game of the week.

879
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: Yuh huh. And now I get it, Like if you

880
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: were said last week Penn State, Ohioso. Yeah, they're both

881
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: around here, then I get it. Pitt Penn State, whatever.

882
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: But I see what they're up to. You see what

883
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 2: that is. That was a question who who has produced

884
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 2: more Steeler draft picks. There was a lebo stretch there

885
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: of Ohio State ors you know, Penn State, I mean

886
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: going back the Franco and there's a familiarity there too,

887
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: mister Porter. I don't know. I don't know the answer

888
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: to that, do you yeah? Do you yeah? Is it

889
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: one decidedly more than the other? They both have to

890
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: be pretty.

891
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: Heavy if you if you're going all time.

892
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about it that way. Okay, there's one that's

893
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: clearly more than the other. It's neck and neck. Yeah, gotcha.

894
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: Anyways, so, uh, Matt, looking at this week's research.

895
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: Notes a lot of good stuff in there.

896
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: If you look at Stafford's completion percentage this year, it's

897
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: sixty one point two, which is twenty eighth among them quarterbacks.

898
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: He's very low. It gets even worse when he's pressured

899
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: very much. So you're looking at it, it's like just

900
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: barely over fifty percent.

901
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: So I always like to tell people this, like, I'm

902
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: sure there's some listeners, and I don't blame you for

903
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: thinking this way, Like, isn't every quarterbacks worse when you're pressured.

904
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: We're comparing clean all the clean quarterbacks and all the

905
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: pressured quarterbacks.

906
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: So he's so when not pressured, he's at sixty six

907
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: point nine percent, which is pretty good.

908
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: I know, the rank it's high. I mean it's like

909
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 2: six or seventh.

910
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: When he is pressured as fifty one point eight percent.

911
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: Which is like twenty eighth. Yeah, amongst all the pressured quarterbacks, right,

912
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: not you know it's apples to apple, Yes, yes, yes,

913
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: it's very much like Lamar was the same way he

914
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: was he was.

915
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: You know, Lamar was completing over seventy, like seventy five

916
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: percent of his passes when he wasn't pressured. When he

917
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: was pressured, it was like he was actually the bottle.

918
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: He was like thirty nine.

919
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 2: Percent or something.

920
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: Again, do you pull some of that out against Stafford?

921
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. He's also very good at recognizing things.

922
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: We've been around the block. Again. I like the reference

923
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: on Fridays our maryl conversation Thursday night, because after we

924
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: talked about you know, the running back not being there Williams,

925
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: He's like, wow, that's Meryl's words basically were Stafford can

926
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: handle it, but boy, that's a lot on his plate

927
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: to avoid the pressures, to fire the pressure.

928
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: You know, this is not young Matt Stafford. Like when

929
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: he was younger, he was mobile enough to avoid some things.

930
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: Like he started two games in his career against the

931
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: Steelers as a Lion, three hundred and ninety two point

932
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: five yards passing in those two games. Now he only

933
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: had two touchdowns and one interception, and he lost them both,

934
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: and he completed fifty point five percent of his passes.

935
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: He's just chucking.

936
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: He's just chucking like crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's what I

937
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: want him to do in this game.

938
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to if he's not the wild steal

939
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: out he used to be, but it's still is DNA.

940
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: He throws the ball that much against the Steelers in

941
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: this game, he's going to throw more than one interception,

942
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: and he's hit a lot, and he's going to get

943
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: hit a ton a lot.

944
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: I mean, he does move well in the pocket, you

945
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: know the Brady old man stuff, you know the boxing ring,

946
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: small little steps, and he's great at that stuff. But

947
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 2: he's not mobile mobile.

948
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: I trust this pass rush a lot.

949
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: I think it's the biggest advantage they have.

950
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: I think it might be, especially once they get Hayward back.

951
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: But even even now, I can't think of too many

952
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: other teams in the league that have this, those two,

953
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: those two fastball screaming off the edge.

954
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Ogunjobi's and Benton's and they aren't bad.

955
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: You want a good job of pushing the middle and

956
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: don't give the quarterback some more where to step up to.

957
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: And we've talked about this before, like they haven't had

958
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: the Hilton Vince Williams blitzers in a couple of years,

959
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: where I think they do now. I think one Alexander

960
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: and Roberts are both very adept at it. Houlkme's fine,

961
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: Minca or whoever. Slot guys are okay as well, certainly Mica,

962
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: but he only does it maybe once a game.

963
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Stafford doesn't thrown an interception in back to back weeks.

964
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: He is not going three straight games without an interception

965
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty one.

966
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's never a low interception.

967
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna put the ball in Harm's way.

968
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: That's who who he is. I mean, he he's got

969
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: he's got a little Brett Farv in him.

970
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, which I like, I meane of my

971
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: favorite things about him. But yeah, there's games where it

972
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: goes hey wire and plus the McVeigh Rowtree. They're not

973
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: go routes and outs. I mean they're inbreakers over the

974
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: middle of it's in danger land. Yeah, I mean that's

975
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 2: how they're designed, and that's why they went to golf.

976
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: Didn't always pull the trigger on those things, you know.

977
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: Does makea Fitzpatrick's now gone six games without forcing a

978
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: turnover going back to last season. It's the second longest

979
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: streak of his career he joined the.

980
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 2: Steelers and things like that.

981
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: In this game too, I think he might be due.

982
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think that he's often on the inside

983
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: shoulder of Cup in some way, shape or form, you

984
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like if Cup's on the right,

985
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 2: Minca is on the right shading that way or whatever,

986
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: at least aware of the inbreakers.

987
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Cup and we've seen I don't think. I

988
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: don't know if there's anybody who works harder from a

989
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: defensive standpoint at catching the football, Oh yeah, I would.

990
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: I would put him up against anybody in the league

991
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: in terms of the work that he puts in.

992
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: Sure did a camp when we watched that. I mean

993
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: it would be on the air.

994
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: That he catches the ball and it's thrown his way,

995
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: is not an accident.

996
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean all the tip stuff isn't an accident either.

997
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 2: I mean the anticipation and being around ball. The ball skills,

998
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: to your point are a plus. I mean he doesn't

999
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: drop many.

1000
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't, and uh, I just think he's due.

1001
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: It seems that way. Yeah, seems that way. And if

1002
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: he is leaning Cup's way, unlike other Steeler opponents, they

1003
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 2: won't avoid Manca.

1004
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: The ball is going to go to Cup like, this

1005
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: isn't going to be like where you know there Basically

1006
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: when when Minca was on Mark Andrews, the Ravens didn't

1007
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: just somewhere else.

1008
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1009
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: And it didn't beat I mean people said, well the state,

1010
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: you know, the Ravens dropped all these passes. Yeah, because

1011
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: there are guys is you know, do you want to

1012
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: be throwing the ball to a Sean bateman? Do you

1013
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: want to be throwing the ball to Nelson Aguilar a

1014
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: bunch of times?

1015
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: And I forget what probably not it was one of

1016
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 2: those two in that that game too, where Watt was

1017
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: crashing on them as a.

1018
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: Coverage play that was against Flowers.

1019
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: Flowers, Yeah, I was thinking that was.

1020
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: He dropped into the zone and and he got fine

1021
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: for that, by the way, fine for that. Yeah, can

1022
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: you believe that that's unnecessary roughness from the league. That

1023
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: was not even you're breaking the playoff the balls in

1024
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: the air. You shoved the guy to the ground so

1025
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: we can't catch it. He a fine for that.

1026
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: That's nuts to me. I didn't know that. Wow. Yeah,

1027
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: come on man, it's football. Yeah, that's a good football play. Yeah,

1028
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: you should have been commended for it. That was really

1029
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: well done. I'm sure it's position coaches and defense coordinators

1030
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: that do it every time play football.

1031
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, the balls and the ball hit the receiver's hands,

1032
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: he's not live, like you're not going to sit to all. Okay,

1033
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: let me but let me back away and see if

1034
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: you can catch that ball off that.

1035
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that bothers me. I didn't know that at all.

1036
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: Never even dawned on me.

1037
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: I didn't me either until I saw the fines come

1038
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: out and there's like unnecessary roughness on Flowers and then

1039
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, that was that play?

1040
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: It?

1041
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: It was that play?

1042
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 2: Wow?

1043
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: Like that, like, what are we doing in football? That's

1044
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: if that's now illegal.

1045
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: I never pay attention when the fines come out. I

1046
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: think I won't because I'll just get mad. You just kidding. Yeah, man, Yeah,

1047
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: across the league, it's terrible.

1048
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: But that's the league that we're playing in now, which

1049
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: makes it even more so. You know, you wonder how

1050
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: school ring is down when those kind of rules are out.

1051
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: One of the things that helps the offense.

1052
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think those guys when they made the

1053
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: rule change in twenty and during that twenty ten season

1054
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: and before the twenty ten season everything after that, the

1055
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: offense rising rising because they had taken hitting over the

1056
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: middle out of the game.

1057
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, safeties have a tough They have.

1058
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: To play it so much different than they did back

1059
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: in the day.

1060
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my gosh. We well, I think it was

1061
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: yesterday or two days ago. We're talking about like Bradshaw's

1062
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: stats and seventies stuff. I mean, those guys are getting

1063
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: their head stakes though, Jack Tatum stuff going on. It close.

1064
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: You can't do any of that real transition period used to.

1065
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: Legally mug people going down the field. Yeah, you just

1066
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: tackle the receiver and the balls in the air and

1067
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: catch it.

1068
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: I mean some of the stuff that happened to Linn Swan.

1069
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: Oh, people would be in prison right now.

1070
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so Yeah, it'd be like get him out

1071
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: of the league.

1072
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, Stafford will put the ball in harm's

1073
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: way and.

1074
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, over the middle and into danger, and he's not afraid.

1075
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: I expect the Steelers to get him at least once,

1076
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: maybe twice in this game, and well, my mind, he

1077
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: would be on making Fitzpatrick.

1078
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: He's due. How many turnovers plus sacks do you anticipate? Five?

1079
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: That's a good number.

1080
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say five because I think they

1081
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: at least get three sacks in.

1082
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: A splash defensive play, either fumble recoveries or go with

1083
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: five ish y.

1084
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: I like their chances if they If they get to

1085
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: that number, they probably win the game.

1086
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Speaker 2: Probably. I mean history shows when they get splash on defense,

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Speaker 2: that's when they're a hard team to play against. When

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Speaker 2: they don't, that's when they've gotten to beat back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's the way they're built to.

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Speaker 2: Play, you know. And I like their chance of getting

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Speaker 2: splash in this game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, But we're going to get to another break.

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Speaker 1: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lallie. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, it's time for the Fantasy Football Focus.

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Speaker 1: We got to pick our DFS lineup. O.

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Speaker 2: There we go, there we go. Let's still a little

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Speaker 2: sleeper tight end and we do investigate.

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Speaker 1: Let's check it out. We'll be back with more right

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Speaker 1: after this