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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 2: Eat of steak?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Woo woom? And Dan and tie b Week five?

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, my good friend in Chicago, Illinois, how goes today?

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Speaker 2: It's great? Ty, it's great. Week five is great because

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Speaker 2: we are on the precipice of October, which means football

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Speaker 2: weather in some parts of the country, which is nice.

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Speaker 2: And for me, Week five is nice because this is

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Speaker 2: when teams typically have to stop running from competition. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so it is nice because there are conferences that play,

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Speaker 2: you know, three or four guppies or not guppies, but

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Speaker 2: less challenging. I saw Lane Kiffin said like, let's be clear,

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Speaker 2: Wake Forest isn't exactly preparing us for the SEC and

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, Lane, not wrong, He's not,

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Speaker 2: but he said it out loud, honest, and so yeah,

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Speaker 2: Ole Miss has Kentucky by believe this week right? Yep,

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Speaker 2: Indiana has Maryland right, And not that UCLA is a

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Speaker 2: terrible team, but it's just different. And so it is

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Speaker 2: nice that we'll get some more interesting road trips. We'll

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Speaker 2: get some feistier matchups. I like to say, I'm collecting

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Speaker 2: like like candy, data data candy right as I'm candy, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: filling up my Dano lantern as we get into October

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Speaker 2: with data, ty, that's all I crave, right, They're like,

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Speaker 2: I have my Danalytics, you know, my my spreadsheet with

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Speaker 2: not anywhere near enough data right now to feel good

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Speaker 2: about where we stand. So this is a it's a

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Speaker 2: hearty week to fill up the Dana lantern, which I love.

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Speaker 1: The Dana lantern. I'm going to commit that one to memory.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome back to the show. I'm Tye hes Dan.

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Speaker 1: This is our week five preview episode of The Solid Verbal.

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Speaker 1: run the board, which I will talk about in a

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Speaker 1: little bit as well. Do we have a nickname for

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Speaker 2: I did, and I do. Yeah. The nickname this week

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Speaker 2: Perdue has been real bad or likely, USC being what

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Speaker 2: be very rough this year, but there's still like a

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Speaker 2: I think UF is favored by a couple of touchdowns

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Speaker 2: they're sort of like this, like what have you done

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Speaker 2: Spoon Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, really, let's.

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Speaker 2: Let's earn this respect before it's just being given these numbers.

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Speaker 1: the people here dan real stalt of the Earth types

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Speaker 2: I almost exclusively look to see what's going on out west?

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Speaker 2: Are you we talking about Sluka Doncic on two fronts?

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Speaker 2: Bob Sluca, the dad of Matthew Sluca, said that they

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Speaker 2: What this is going to do eventually is it's going

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Speaker 2: it's that the communication is buttoned up. That coaches aren't

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Speaker 2: he's like, I don't want to get hurt before that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Sharon Moore might have sent an uber I checked.

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Speaker 1: It's a twenty nine hour ride to get to ann Arbor.

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Speaker 1: He could make it for.

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Speaker 2: For the Minnesotium. I don't think that's how it works time.

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Speaker 1: Let's start at high nuon on ESPN. Oklahoma State at

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Speaker 2: am giving the points here and I think Kansas State

432
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Speaker 2: is going to win this game by a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I don't trust. Yeah, I don't

434
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Speaker 1: trust Oklahoma State right now. And we've seen a trend

435
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Speaker 1: to merge where they can't run or stay, can't run

436
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: or stop the run or stop it. Yeah, and that's

437
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: a problem on Saturday because that's Case State's preferred offense.

438
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

439
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,959
Speaker 1: Right after we saw that version of Avery Johnson against BYU.

440
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 1: I have to imagine if you tell Chris Climb and him, man,

441
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Speaker 1: you want to run it fifty times to win this game,

442
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: he would sign on that line in a second. Yeah,

443
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: And that's what's stuck in my crow when I was

444
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: trying to figure this out, because I could play it

445
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: both ways, I really can. I just think Case State

446
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 1: is going to run it and run it and run it,

447
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: and they're going to win this game like twenty seven

448
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 1: to twenty one. I'm going to give the points as well,

449
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: I am. I'm going to give the points. I did

450
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of recoil a little bit because Mike Gundhy has

451
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 1: had the success I know, and he is that kind

452
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: of guy in some of these matchups where you see

453
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: it's gone in their direction a number of times and

454
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: it tends to repeat itself with Gundy, he tends to

455
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: beat the same teams over and over again. And so

456
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Speaker 1: to that end, yes, I definitely did a double take,

457
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Speaker 1: but I think I'm with you. I'm going to give

458
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Speaker 1: the points. I also wanted to add this since I've

459
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: been on a big EPA kick lately. Expected points added.

460
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: Oklahoma States rushing attack more to the point of them

461
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Speaker 1: struggling to run the football.

462
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Speaker 2: I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago.

463
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Speaker 1: Yeah, led by Ali Gordon, who had a monster season

464
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Speaker 1: last year, currently eighty eighth in the nation with an

465
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: EPA of negative point zero one per rush. So what

466
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Speaker 1: does that mean?

467
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Speaker 2: Again, They're losing points every time they try to run.

468
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Speaker 1: I don't mean the dumb this down for a very

469
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Speaker 1: smart audience, but that's what it means. It means that

470
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Speaker 1: the rush is preventing them from scoring more points. If

471
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Speaker 1: that part of the offense is truly broken here, that's ballgame.

472
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Speaker 1: For the post, that's ballgame. The whole thing depends on

473
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Speaker 1: that working this year, and they are. They're solid elsewhere,

474
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: They've got playmakers.

475
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Speaker 2: And it's not me saying I hate the team, right,

476
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: but that was kind of like the central guiding force

477
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Speaker 2: of this team, and if they don't have it, that's

478
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Speaker 2: going to be an issue moving forward. The counterpoint is,

479
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Speaker 2: if I'm going to extend grace to Kansas State, I

480
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: should also extend it to Oklahoma State. Right that maybe

481
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: last week was their worst week of the season, Right

482
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Speaker 2: that we shouldn't judge Oklahoma State based on what will

483
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: probably be the best defense they'll face. All year long.

484
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: They didn't score. They did give the end zone until

485
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, right, but bench Donland Bowman.

486
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Speaker 1: This running thing has been a trend.

487
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Speaker 2: Though it's not new.

488
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Speaker 1: It's not right if it were a one game, one

489
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Speaker 1: game only type of thing. I hear you, and they

490
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: were at home. This has been a trend and that's

491
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Speaker 1: worrying to me. So I'm twenty seven to twenty one

492
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Speaker 1: case State. I did kind of go back. I think

493
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Speaker 1: K State wins. I'm not super confident about that point spread,

494
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: although now that it's come down, I feel a little

495
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: bit better about it.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, as do I. Yeah, that was at home against

497
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: a backup quarterback, by the way. Yeah, so three.

498
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Speaker 1: Point thirty on Peacock Joy m Louisville at Notre Dame.

499
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame a five and a half point favorite. When

500
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Speaker 1: I jotted this one down earlier in the week, it

501
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: was Notre Dame minus four and a half, and at

502
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: one point it went to minus six and a half.

503
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Speaker 1: And my question that I jotted down in all caps

504
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: here on my Google doc was who are these people? Ty?

505
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: I tried to explain this to you. I tried to

506
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: explain this to you.

507
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: Who is going heavy on Notre Dame. If you have

508
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: watched Notre Dame at all this year at all? Who

509
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: is going heavy on Notre Dame. Are you watching the

510
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: games or are you just watching the spreadsheet? Because I've watched

511
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: the games and I think you're nuts if you go

512
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: heavy on Notre Dame in this matchup.

513
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this year, Notre Dame's passing attack makes like the

514
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: Ian book passing attack look like the old Raiders, like

515
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: Ken Stabler launching it down the field.

516
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Speaker 1: Who are these people?

517
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Speaker 2: Let me talk about Louisville. Yeah, please, Okay, we haven't

518
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: talked much about Louisville. They played Georgia Tech beat them comfortably.

519
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Speaker 1: Ish, we haven't talked about Louisville because the last time

520
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: we talked about Louisville we looked at who they played

521
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: and we said, ah, we can't really talk about Louisville yet.

522
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 1: But now they played Tech. It's a nice win. They

523
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: won that game by twelve. This offense, I think has

524
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: been solid across the board. Defensively, some issues with the pass,

525
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: but still pretty good. You gotta feel good if you're

526
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: very good against the run. Yeah, very good against the run.

527
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: This is a solid team. Again, I think Jeff Browm's

528
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: done a good job. It's early. Things can obviously still break,

529
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: people can get hurt, but by and large, seems like

530
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: a pretty solid team. There is an enormous edge here

531
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Speaker 1: for Louisville, and that is their defensive line against Notre

532
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Speaker 1: Dames front. And I don't know how Notre Dames to

533
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: handle it, because if I'm Jeff Bram, I'm gonna put

534
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: seven guys in the box, eight guys in the box, sure,

535
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: and I'm going to dare Riley Leonard to beat me

536
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: through the air, because truly, at the start of their

537
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: last game against Miami Ohio, it looked like he had

538
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: the passing yips. It really did. It was that bad.

539
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: I would force him to throw the ball thirty five

540
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: times at beat me, And that could honestly be their

541
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: best offensive game plan too, to try and force a

542
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: mistake or force field position or something of that nature,

543
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: because the Notre Dame defense is really good. And that's

544
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: the part that really sticks in your craw if you're

545
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: a Notre Dame fan, Because the defense is outstanding, it's

546
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: like a brick wall the offense that cannot get its

547
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: act together. So for me, I'm Jeff brom which I'm not.

548
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: I am putting everybody close to the line of scriviage.

549
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: I am trying to stop that ground assault, and I'm

550
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: going to try and make Riley Leonard beat me through

551
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: the air, something that he has certainly not proven that

552
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: he can do while wearing that Notre Dame uniform.

553
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: A couple questions. Is Notre Dame's defense the best unit

554
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: on the field to you?

555
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: Probably?

556
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: I mean Louisville on either side has the opportunity to

557
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: be that by the end of the year, but just

558
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: in terms of what we've seen in Notre Dames defense

559
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: is better. Okay, so we're talking about the best unit

560
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: on the field playing at home as not dramatic favorites.

561
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: Correct.

562
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: What is it right now? The number five and a half?

563
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: Five and a half, so it's down. That's almost enough

564
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: to make me think that Notre Dame is the move here,

565
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: that they're being undervalued. What do you think is the

566
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: reason why Riley Leonard is not throwing down the field?

567
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: Is it fear over the offensive line not giving him time?

568
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 2: Is it receiver separation, is it play calling? Is it

569
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: his own is it injury where he doesn't feel like

570
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: he can put his body into a pass that goes

571
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: more than fifteen yards or something. What is the reasoning

572
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: when you watch this game, when you watch this team.

573
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: I have two theories that have been bouncing around in

574
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Speaker 1: my head.

575
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

576
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: The first is just that he's not that good. Okay,

577
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: that he looked good at Duke because Mike Elco was

578
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: a hell of a coach. But he's not that good. Okay,

579
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: and he was healthier, and he was healthier, but that

580
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: was my concern when they got him. Is that true.

581
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, but that was my

582
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: first thought. Second thought, more from a scheme standpoint, this

583
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: is a guy who made it onto the national scene

584
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: by being a big time improviser. He's not a guy

585
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: that you put in the pocket. He's not a guy

586
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: even that you build like a defined system around. He

587
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: is truly drawing up in the dirt and let Roberlee

588
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: Leonard go do what he's gonna do. Yeah, And so

589
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: there's a case to be made that what Notre Dame

590
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: has tried thus far has kind of kept him more

591
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: in a box than his skill set would want him

592
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: to be. It's hard to say, you know, the line

593
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: certainly does not help because the line has been a

594
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: revolving door and they're hurt up there and you up there,

595
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: so that obviously adds insult to injury. But my hunch

596
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: is that at some combination of the scheme that they're

597
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: trying to fit this guy into. With just the starting point,

598
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: I think he's talented. He's obviously a hell of an athlete.

599
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: He can run like a deer. But in terms of

600
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: being a passer, that's where we're starting to see some

601
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: of these issues. And you know, it's not going to

602
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: come out so much against a team like a Miami Ohio,

603
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: but it will come out against a team like Wuiville,

604
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: which I think has a good defense, has a good

605
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: defensive front. They're going to get pressure on him. I'm

606
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: just curious to see how they handle it. I think

607
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: Notre Dame will be able to run to some extent

608
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: because Jeremiah love Is I've said this to you before,

609
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: he's like a stronger Reggie Bush. I mean, he's really,

610
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Speaker 1: really good. He's going to play in the league at

611
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Speaker 1: some point. But I still think there's going to be

612
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Speaker 1: this circumstance where Louisville can stack the box, can force

613
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard into a mistake, and if he doesn't improve

614
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: drastically over what we've seen the last couple weeks of

615
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: the season, it's going to be trouble. I've got Louisville

616
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Speaker 1: winning this game out right, by the way. Yeah, I've

617
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: got him twenty three seventeen over Notre Dame, because, as

618
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Speaker 1: I said before, I don't think Notre Dame Stadium is

619
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Speaker 1: the toughest place to play in the world, regardless of

620
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Speaker 1: what some Notre Dame fans think. And I think Louisville's

621
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: pretty good team.

622
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: What times kickoff? Three thirty eastern?

623
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: You said three thirty eastern on Peacock.

624
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Louisville here, but I don't think they're winning.

625
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: I have Louisville. I'm going to take the points. I

626
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: think they lose this game by three or four points.

627
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: And I still think there is value in taking a

628
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: very good defense at home. I still think there's value.

629
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Speaker 2: And you look at the the teams Tyler Shuck has

630
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: and hasn't beaten. He hasn't beaten good defenses, he hasn't

631
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: won big games, and you know, for the sake of

632
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: something new in the sport, I hope he does that'd

633
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: be great, that'd be cool evolution for him. He's injury prone,

634
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: and I don't know. There's something about this Notre Dame team.

635
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: I'll say once again, I think their opponent snops. I

636
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: think they play down to and play up to the situation.

637
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: And so Louisville certainly has the rank. Yes, Louisville, it is.

638
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: One of four ranked matchups in Week five.

639
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: I think they have all of Notre Dame's attention. I

640
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: think Notre Dame wins this game twenty one to seventeen.

641
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so we agree that we're both going points.

642
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking the points, but I think Notre Dame

643
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: ultimately is going to score in more creative ways. You know,

644
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard can still throw a four yard air pass

645
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: that gets taken to the house for fifty six.

646
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if you had have seen the first

647
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: couple drives of that game last week that pont knobs,

648
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Speaker 1: you can't even assume that he can do that. It

649
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: was that bad.

650
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Speaker 2: Louisville's not in the MAC. They'll be all right, fair enough.

651
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Speaker 1: Fair enough, seven to thirty. NBC Illinois at Penn State

652
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: another right matchup. Penn State now favored by nineteen points.

653
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Speaker 1: Dan Man nineteen points. I am grateful as a Penn

654
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: State alum by the way that whatever jiu jitsu they

655
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: pulled to get this as a night game is helpful

656
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: because that crowd at seven point thirty is going to

657
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: be sauced up, housed. They are going to be loud,

658
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: They're going to be proud, They're going to be wearing white.

659
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 1: It's an unofficial white out, which don't get me started

660
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: on the official versus the unofficial thing, but right, everybody's

661
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: going to be rocking in Beaver Stadium. How do you

662
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: feel about this game? I have some strong thoughts.

663
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Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about this game. One as I

664
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Speaker 2: just want to see it like Illinois is like one

665
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Speaker 2: of your winning is a skill type teams this year

666
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Speaker 2: that they have been finding ways, whether it was laid

667
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: against Kansas late against Nebraska in overtime. The interesting thing

668
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: to me about Illinois in this matchup specifically is they

669
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Speaker 2: are one of the slowest teams in the country. Yes,

670
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: their pace is very slow, and so they don't go

671
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Speaker 2: three and out. They can extend drives and they might

672
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: be built in such a way with a couple of

673
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: pretty good if not really good receivers in Zakaria, Franklin

674
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: and Pat Bryant that maybe they're not built dissimilarly to

675
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: like what Bowling Green was able to do. Now there's

676
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: only one Harold fan in junior Tye. This is what

677
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: we talk about all the time. There's only one top

678
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Speaker 2: of the Harold Power rankings. Yes, he's not being paid

679
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: enough by Bowling Green, that's my guess. I think Illinois

680
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: is able to score a little bit in this game

681
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Speaker 2: at a slower pace that makes this number kind of untenable.

682
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: And I think they're going to get some stops. I

683
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to get enough stops. I have

684
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Speaker 2: This is thirty one to twenty Penn State that I

685
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 2: think Penn State will be able to move the ball

686
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: in the ground some. I think there will be opportunities

687
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: through the air. This might be another frustrating like who

688
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: is the receiver, who is the safety valve whatever for

689
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: Penn State. But I just think there's too much here

690
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Speaker 2: for Penn State. So I have thirty one twenty.

691
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Speaker 1: I think Illinois is a two and two team masquerading

692
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Speaker 1: as a four and zero team. Okay, I think they

693
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: could have maybe should have lost to Kansas.

694
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Speaker 2: This is an LRO moment for them.

695
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: LRO. Yeah, they should have lost to Nebraska. Now, I'm

696
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: not trying to be negative Nancy here, No, but as

697
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Speaker 1: we say, you just said it, winning is a skill,

698
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: so they've done it. I like them generally speaking. I

699
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: like Luke Altmeyer. He's been terrific. He's ten touchdowns, no interceptions.

700
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: Say he had the pick issues last year, and so

701
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: far he's been great. He's been great.

702
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: And you mentioned a Car Franklin and Pat Bryaner. There's

703
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: a lot to like on this team. I think is

704
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: a solid seven or eight win team by the time

705
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: all is said and done. Great Illinois is not winning

706
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Speaker 1: this game though. They're not winning this game because Penn

707
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: State's going to kick their teeth in on the ground

708
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: and they're going to force Luke Altmeyer to throw two,

709
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: maybe three interceptions. I'll set the over under at two

710
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: and a half. Okay, Illinois needs Luke Altmeyer to keep

711
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: doing what he's been doing, which has remain perfect, and

712
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: Penn State's not going to let that happen. I think

713
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: this is right around the right number. Would you say

714
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: thirty one to twenty thirty one? Twenty thirty to thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Penn State Illinois covers barely.

716
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Speaker 2: Covers, but you think it's the pace thing and maybe

717
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: people pop plays. Like when I say pop plays, I

718
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: mean like pop it downfield for a big game kind

719
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: of thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm going I need to see if I

721
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: get some odds in a defensive touchdown. This feels like

722
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: one of those games, okay, where you have a defensive

723
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: or a special team's touchdown something like that. But thirty

724
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: to thirteen a game that feels slow, feels kind of

725
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: boring and doesn't feel quite as lopsided as the final

726
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: score might indicate.

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00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: Okay, extra day to prep for Illinois coming off of

728
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: the Nebraska win. By the way, Illinoi's defense did a

729
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: very good job against Nebraska on the ground. Penn State's

730
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: a different team, but that was a nice test. I

731
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: think pennscate.

732
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: Kick their teeth in on the ground.

733
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: Love it.

734
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: That's why they're gonna win.

735
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 2: I love when I say I love it. I love

736
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: your confidence. It's great.

737
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Speaker 1: Kick their teeth in. Okay, last, but certainly not least

738
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Speaker 1: in our big games segment. Oh baby, oh baby, oh baby,

739
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: oh baby, old Baby's the big guy.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

741
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: Seven point thirty ABC Georgia minus two on the road

742
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: in tuscal loose to square off against Alabama. This might

743
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: be the biggest game of the season, sure, full stop.

744
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean this game has so much meaning attached to it,

745
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: not just within the SEC, but within the national playoff conversation,

746
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: and gosh, you could slice this a million differ ways.

747
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: There is obvious intrigue here. Bama won this game last year.

748
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: You remember in the SEC title twenty seven to twenty

749
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 1: four is a good game. That's what punched their ticket

750
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: into the playoff.

751
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: Kirby is what one in four against Bama.

752
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: Something like that. Yeah, Yeah, different circumstances this year, though,

753
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: of course it's going to be Kalin de bores first

754
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: crack at Georgia. He gets them at home in Tuscalousa,

755
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: which is nice. There's also a real contrast in how

756
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: these teams play defense that I want to call out. Okay,

757
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: when everyone watching these games, to remember this exact stat

758
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: because I think this is quite telling. Alabama is one

759
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty fourth in the country, dead last in

760
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: blitzes per drop back. They've blitzed three percent of the

761
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: time an opponent drops back, which is almost comically low

762
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: three percent of the time.

763
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Georgia.

764
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: Is on the complete opposite end of that spectrum. They're

765
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: blitzing close to forty percent of the time when a

766
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: team drops. Now, that could easily change this game, right.

767
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: Teams break their tendencies all the time when they play

768
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: up against a different opponent. Nothing new in that regard,

769
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: but it's I think unlikely that it's going to drastically

770
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: change and suddenly Bam is doing it forty percent of

771
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: the time. Right, So if those tendencies hold, I've been

772
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: trying to think through what does that mean. I think

773
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Speaker 1: it means that Jalen Milrow is going to be under

774
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: pressure because Georgia is also first in pressure rate, so

775
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: they're very good at generating pressure on opposing quarterbacks. I

776
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: think that disrupts what Alabama wants to do, which is

777
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: stretch the field. Probably means a lot of quick stuff

778
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: to the outside, maybe some jet sweeps and touch passes

779
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: and stuff that moves the pocket or Jalen Milroe round

780
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: stuff that can manufacture shots down the field, because again

781
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: I think that is what they want to do. That's

782
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: how they want to attack Georgia. What they do with

783
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: those shots is ultimately what I think is the difference

784
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: in this game. But I'm curious to see how they

785
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: handle that Georgia pressure and if in fact they are

786
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: trying to do quick stuff that gets them to the outside. Meanwhile,

787
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: on the flip side of that exact same discussion, I

788
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: hate the idea of not pressuring Carson Beck. I hate

789
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: the idea of giving him time to pick you apart.

790
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: Dam is going to have to blitz more than three

791
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: percent of the dropbacks if they want to have a

792
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: chance in this game. Yeah, because Carson Beck is just

793
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: way too good. He will take advantage of that. And

794
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: this is where I trust Georgia more. I trust that

795
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: Carson Beck is not going to make the big mistake.

796
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: I trust that they're going to be able to actually

797
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: set up the run with the pass, which is kind

798
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: of opposite of what we normally say. I think that's

799
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: the methodology here. If you're Kirby smart, I've got this

800
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: as twenty seven to twenty one Georgia with a big

801
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: win on the road back up to number one in

802
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: the polls next week. We all go on with our lives.

803
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: But I thought a lot about that stat In particular,

804
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Speaker 1: I'm on Georgia here by six.

805
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder about Bama up front as well, not

806
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: the blitzing or lack thereof. I wonder what the run

807
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: defense looks like against Trevor Etn and Nate Fray. Georgia's

808
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: offensive line, I think, by and large has been very

809
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: good this year. Yeah, I'm not going to say that

810
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 2: was their worst day a couple of weeks ago against

811
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: Kentucky Georgia's but certainly made me think about where the

812
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: explosivity comes from in the passing game for Georgia a

813
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: little bit, whether it's dominic love it like they don't

814
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: have and we talked about this in August, right, they

815
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: don't have rock powers, they don't have lad McConkey. And

816
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: for whatever those guys did, it was also the threat

817
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: of those guys that opened up elsewhere. And so that's

818
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: a broader question. But on the road, I'd like to

819
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: have that silencer. If I'm Georgia, I'd like to have

820
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: that guy on third and A where he's like, let's

821
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: do something fun with him, and it's not After watching

822
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: that Kentucky game, it's not obvious who that person is

823
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: in this moment. That's what gives me pause about Georgia

824
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: because how deep they are on defense with what the

825
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: secondary has look like like they will find somebody to

826
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 2: do a good, if not great job against Ryan Williams,

827
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: who will probably have a long consequential catch, But that

828
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: has been there, like that has been Alabama's biggest weapon

829
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: this year, is the threat of Ryan Williams doing something great.

830
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: Jeremy Bernard has been pretty good, but it doesn't seem

831
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: like Alabama is as deep at those skill guys who

832
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: could do something great at any given time as they've

833
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: been in the past. And it's early in the season.

834
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: Those guys developed, you know, as Kaylin de Boorr, the

835
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: offensive staff get a sense for what Jalen Molroe can

836
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: do and you know where his rapport is. So I

837
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: guess it's a question on both sides of the ball,

838
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: is like who are those playmakers right now? I still

839
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: believe the Georgia defense to be the best and deepest

840
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: element of this game, and I think that travels. I

841
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: think what they did against Clemson makes them a lot

842
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 2: more tested than what Alabama has proven against Brayden Locke

843
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: all due respect, but you know they played mostly a

844
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: backup quarterback against Wisconsin. And kind of struggled with USF

845
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: until making very late adjustments along the offensive line, and

846
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: they've still been beat up on that offensive line. And

847
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: Okaden Proctor's back, I'm dealing with shoulder stuff. I don't know.

848
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: To me, it's just there's too much unknown in this

849
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: moment about Alabama to feel good about them going against

850
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: a defense that should be as strong and like you

851
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 2: look at like some of the numbers with Georgia's defense,

852
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: and it's just like a backup defensive tackle, a backup linebacker.

853
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: These guys are just getting home all the time. No,

854
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: I'm going Georgia here. You already say twenty seven to

855
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: twenty one. Yeah, I have twenty four to twenty here.

856
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: No, I think it'll be a good game. I mean,

857
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: I think it's just great. It's a great matchup.

858
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: I can't wait.

859
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's gonna be awesome. And we will

860
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: obviously come back on the airwaves and talk about that

861
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: when we do our midnight recap show out on the

862
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, which you can join live and take part in.

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Speaker 1: Give us a call as you're watching this, as you're

864
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Speaker 1: watching all the games. At eight five to five verbal three,

865
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Speaker 1: our guy Shay's back. He was out of town, out

866
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Speaker 1: of the county.

867
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Speaker 2: Where do you go?

868
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: Japan parts unknown, parts unknown, Kyoto, parts unknown. We're going

869
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: to look at that. But Shay's back now, so you're

870
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Speaker 1: actually going to get a better version of the reverbs.

871
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: See an assassin of some kind secret?

872
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: I think as possible. I don't ask questions.

873
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: You know, he went to a country that you have

874
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Speaker 2: to say the former, right, that's right, that's right? What

875
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: was what used to be known as?

876
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: We have plausible deniability. He's not an employee, he's just

877
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Speaker 1: a contractor.

878
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: That's true.

879
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: So we just take the reverbs. He gives them to

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Speaker 1: us with a smile, and we kind of carry about

881
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: our business. But fair enough, you're going to get a

882
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Speaker 1: better version of those reverbs now since he is back

883
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: in town working his magic eight five five verbal three

884
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: is how he can give us a call throughout the

885
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Speaker 1: course of the day. We posted like a million times

886
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: in social media if you forget to give us a call,

887
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: we want as all your calls when here, we have

888
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: to say. So we agree on that one on that front, right.

889
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 2: I think. So this is night game in Tuscaloosa. I

890
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be great. I think there are more

891
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 2: ways for Georgia to score in this moment.

892
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: Let's build some quads. If you're ready, I am. I

893
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: think about the heart, the commitment, and the energy you're

894
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: willing to put into it. Do not do the quad

895
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: father workout. No, that's the voice of Tom Platt's again disclaimer.

896
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm told if you try it, you will cripple yourself,

897
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: So don't do that. I've got a couple of games

898
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: here that I pulled out in the early block. I

899
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: will say, if you are interested, my window of opportunity,

900
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: which is often imitated but never quite duplicated. Ah, yes,

901
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: you know who you are. I've got this as sort

902
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: of my flex time. This is when you can go

903
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: out and be amongst the people. Go see Cats. I

904
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: don't know if my old ass is still in the movies,

905
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: but go and see it. It got great reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.

906
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: Is it time of year where you do the apple

907
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: picking and the pumpkin thing they hate.

908
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: I've already had an apple pie this year, so it

909
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 2: seems that way from an orchard.

910
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how early they start that at your

911
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: local orchard, but if you're out, if you're looking to

912
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: kind of take in some of that crisp fall error.

913
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: Early would be the time to do it, because here

914
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: are the games that I think we're working with. We've

915
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: got twelve pm on ABC, Kentucky at All Missile Miss

916
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: favor by about seventeen and a half. Ooh, We've got

917
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: Minnesota at Michigan, Michigan favored by nine. We've got Baylor

918
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Speaker 1: at BYU or excuse me, BYU at Baylor, Baylor favored

919
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: by three at home. And then I pulled out Maryland

920
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: at Indiana Indiana favored by six and a half points.

921
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: So are some other games that I considered. NIU at

922
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Speaker 1: NC State is interesting, USF at Tulane is interesting. Navy

923
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: at UAB to me is very interesting, certainly because I'd

924
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Speaker 1: expect that line to be a little bit higher. But

925
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Speaker 1: I think those are the primary four that will be

926
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Speaker 1: in my quad box stand.

927
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: James Madison might drop one hundred on ball State. It

928
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: con be worth watching.

929
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's my question about that Kentucky Old Miss game. Okay,

930
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 1: do you think there is any kind of speed bump

931
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: for Ole Miss now that they're going to play real

932
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: defense for the first time this year?

933
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely.

934
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: As to Ferman in Middle Tennessee and Wake and George.

935
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 2: So this this is different, is different play in Kentucky.

936
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Speaker 2: I'm taking the points here. Kentucky and Mark Stoops have

937
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: long played, for the most part, Lane and ole Miss tightly. Yeah,

938
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: and so I think ole Miss wins this game. I

939
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: think they have more ways to win. I am not

940
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Speaker 2: the vander grifter that you are with regard to the

941
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Speaker 2: Kentucky offense.

942
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Speaker 1: I don't think I am at this point. How could

943
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Speaker 1: I be.

944
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: He was a little better against Ohio. He made plays

945
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: against Ohio. It was Ohio. It's a little bit different

946
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 2: than Ole Miss, but especially early on, I think Kentucky

947
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: can slow this game down enough that I'm going to say,

948
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, thirty to seventeen.

949
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: I got thirty three fourteen, Okay, barely a cover for Kentucky.

950
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: But I'm with hekay.

951
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: I'm taking those points.

952
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: The little Brown jug game Minnesota Michigan, I gotta be honest.

953
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: Also losing faith in Minnesota. Ty youu MA is more

954
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: like ty you blah. I just made that up. I'm

955
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: sure you'll love it. I am convinced there is a PJ.

956
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: Fleck problem here, and I don't think they'll fire him, no,

957
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: but they may need to orchestrate some sort of Scott

958
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: sadderfield maneuver to get him out on his own accord,

959
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: Like FI, identify another cushy landing spot to get him

960
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: to go and do that instead and bring somebody else in.

961
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: Because I don't know if this is I don't know

962
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: if this is a dude kind of take this thing forward.

963
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: I gotta believe that Sharon Moore looked at the game

964
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: tape from a week ago against Iowa when Minnesota played

965
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: Iowa for the Floyd Rosedale game, and licked his chops.

966
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: You know, like, how many times do you think he's

967
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: actually gonna throw the football in this game? Oh?

968
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean if it were up to him now many? Yeah.

969
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: I'll set the over under at eleven and a half.

970
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: I like the points here really from Minnesota. Yeah, Okay,

971
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: So it's a huge letdown moment for Michigan, right, Okay,

972
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: it's a huge letdown moment, and it's a letdown moment

973
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: coupled with the perception that their opponent this week is

974
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: vulnerable because of what Caleb Johnson did. I think Minnesota's

975
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: defense is pretty good. I think it's an opportune moment

976
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: for a low scoring, ugly loss for Minnesota.

977
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: Oh Man.

978
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: Now, Darius Taylor couldn't get going against Iowa, But like,

979
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what he Mark's got going a little

980
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: bit against this Michigan defense. I think Darius Taylor can

981
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: do a little bit more against Michigan than when what

982
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: he's able to do last week. I don't love Max

983
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: Brosmer in the way that you did in mid August,

984
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: but I don't know there is something about this specific spot,

985
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: in a letdown spot. Who's Michigan have next week? It's

986
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: not full look ahead. I think they're at Washington, Okay,

987
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: I think it's their first road game, sure, But Minnesota

988
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: right here, I think can ugly this up enough to

989
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: keep it close and lose, like fifteen to ten, sixteen, eleven, fourteen, nine,

990
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 2: twenty to twelve, something like that.

991
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: Maybe a nineteen point job again went on, I've got

992
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: twenty three thirteen Michigan wins barely covers.

993
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't see this falls under my

994
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: silver spoon element to this Saturday this year. What is

995
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: Michigan specifically done to earn this kind of number this year? Only?

996
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, not a terrible amount. They pulled out

997
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: a tough game against a tough team last week that

998
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: perhaps they shouldn't have been able to do. That's it.

999
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: Uh, Baylor's my lock of the week this week block

1000
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: of the week, big home win for BYU a week ago,

1001
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: huge road loss for Baylor.

1002
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 2: I like this pick a lot.

1003
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: Interesting match up here to your point that you made

1004
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: earlier that I think we've made probably about a thousand

1005
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: times now for the first couple weeks of the year.

1006
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: But interesting match between one of the fastest tempo teams

1007
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: in Baylor one of the slowest teams in BYU. I

1008
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 1: think Baylor wins. I don't think this is a runaway train,

1009
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: probably not even easy cover. But I think Baylor is

1010
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: a better team, and I think Baylor is going to

1011
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: win this one, like twenty four to nineteen, somewhere in

1012
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: that neighborhood.

1013
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way in which BYU beat Kansas State last week,

1014
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: I don't think it's exactly a sustainable model. No, and

1015
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: so for as good as Jake Retzlov was, Yeah, I

1016
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: think a really strong early defense, which is what Baylor

1017
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: has shown against not incredible competition each week, but decent

1018
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: at home against BYU. I think it's an opportune spot

1019
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 2: to go to go Baylor here.

1020
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you rapid fire here real quick,

1021
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: and then we could get to the afternoon and the

1022
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: night slates. Yeah, I'm on NIU plus the points against

1023
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: NC State. What's the point six and a half right now?

1024
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: NC State has not shown me anything, So I'll take

1025
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: NU and the points I think they I'm gonna take

1026
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: NC State. I think it's an overreaction. Continue Tulane. I've

1027
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: got over USF too, Laye minus five. I think Tulane

1028
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: should be able to throw it all day if they

1029
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: want to against USF, and that's the difference. Yeah, and

1030
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: then I've got Navy minus the number. It's three and

1031
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: a half on the road at UAB. I would expect

1032
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: this line to be a lot higher, especially because UAB

1033
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: refuses to play any defense, especially on the ground. True,

1034
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: so Navy should be able to score. I suppose it's

1035
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: an issue of whether they can stop UAB, which in

1036
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: its own right has a decent enough offense. I'm just

1037
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: not buying it. I'm on Navy there, and I might

1038
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: end up throwing a few shekels on this one. I'll

1039
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: post it out on my Twitter at some point on

1040
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: Saturday morning. What I'm going with, but looking at this

1041
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: game pretty intently as maybe a go for me with Navy.

1042
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: Okay, you gotta read. The only thing I would say

1043
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: is you're saying that USF can be thrown upon, thrown

1044
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: on by Tulane. USF has played Miami in Alabama, I've

1045
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: played like two of the seven best quarterbacks in America already,

1046
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: And so I think in the opposite way that other teams,

1047
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: like numbers have to be taken with a grain of sault,

1048
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: Like the grain is too big with USF. Okay, like

1049
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: the data is too important here. So I think it's

1050
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: gonna be a little bit easier for them. But yes,

1051
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: I understand where you're coming from.

1052
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: All Right, here we go. Let's go to the afternoon

1053
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: quad slid.

1054
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: Dan.

1055
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: My question to you is how bad you really want

1056
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: place three for ABC? I've got Oklahoma minus two and

1057
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: a half at Auburn. Yeah, I've got three thirty CBS

1058
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: Wisconsin at USC I've got three thirty on Fox Colorado

1059
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: at UCF, and three thirty on ESPN. I've got Arkansas

1060
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: at Texas A and M I kind of have as

1061
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: a separate I guess it's not quad a mini quad altogether. Okay,

1062
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: you need to have liberty versus app state on one

1063
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: of your screens. You need to have Fresno at UNLV.

1064
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: I agree on one of your screens as well. I've

1065
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: gone I'm going six wide here with my quad box,

1066
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: which is definitely some sort of penalty, but six games

1067
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: at the same time that I think are very very interesting.

1068
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: Okay. Auburn lock of the week?

1069
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: Really?

1070
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: Yes?

1071
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: Whoa Okay?

1072
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, baby block of the week, A two and a

1073
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 2: half three point dog at home with a decent enough

1074
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: defense going up against a backup quarterback in Michael Hawkins.

1075
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: True freshman.

1076
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: Michael True freshman playing Jordan her has not been able

1077
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: to Oklahoma, has not been able to get that offense

1078
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 2: going basically against anybody.

1079
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: Now pinched Jackson Arnold. So Michael Hawkins is the new

1080
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: guy in true freshman who was a three star Jackson Arnold,

1081
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: formerly the five star all off season. It was Jackson

1082
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: Arnold did We're going to build the whole plane out

1083
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: of Jackson Arnold and now he's on it.

1084
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So normally you could say turnovers are random, it's

1085
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: not as random with Auburn after the Cow game and

1086
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: the Arkansas game. There is something impressive about Auburn when

1087
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: they're not turning the ball over, and for that, I'm

1088
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: gonna say, maybe this is just a respite of a week. Now.

1089
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 2: This is a good Oklahoma defense, if not very good

1090
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 2: Oklahoma defense. You can only do so much, though, if

1091
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: your offense can't control the ball, or score points or

1092
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: give yourself a rest. So I do like Auburn here.

1093
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: They're not gonna score a ton twenty to thirteen. I

1094
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: think they're gonna get it done at home and move

1095
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: the ball.

1096
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be a rock fight, an

1097
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: absolute rock fight, and I'm with you. I'm gonna take

1098
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: the home team with the points. I don't know if

1099
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: they went out right, but yeah, getting two and a

1100
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: half at home, I'll take it. Yeah, I'll take it.

1101
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: I think the USC game, I've got USC something like

1102
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: thirty four seventeen, barely covering against Wisconsin.

1103
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: Okay, what did I write down for this one? I

1104
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: have Wisconsin plus the points. I don't know. I think

1105
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: they're gonna make it ugly enough. I don't love this

1106
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: Wisconsin team, but again, it's an extraordinary letdowns spot for USC.

1107
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: Right, agree, agree with that.

1108
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: Again, you have to find something to like about a

1109
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: team if you're gonna feel enthusiastic about it. It's just

1110
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 2: too many points. It's too many points. I think USC

1111
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 2: wins by thirteen.

1112
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: I've got another lock by the way block of the week.

1113
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: Not to cut you off there, but I almost can't

1114
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: bottle up my excitement to bet Colorado plus sixteen against UCF. Yeah, so, look,

1115
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: a nice win for Colorado last week there at three

1116
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: and one. We know exactly who Colorado is. Yeah, they're

1117
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: gonna throw. They're gonna throw. That's what kind of throw? Again,

1118
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: we are four weeks into the season. Do you know

1119
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: there is no player on Colorado that is more than

1120
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: eighty seven yards rushing. I believe that nobody has gotten

1121
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: over one hundred yards. Yet this is just not This

1122
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: is a thrower. They don't care about running. I don't

1123
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: understand this point spread for the life of me. I

1124
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: think UCFS a better overall team. I like UCF a lot.

1125
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: I think UCF is gonna win this game, but this

1126
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: is absolutely gonna be a shootout, and shadro Sanders is

1127
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: absolutely gonna throw for like four point fifty on this defense. Yeah,

1128
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: I take points in a shootout. That is my sort

1129
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: of go to rule. Anything more than a touchdown, I

1130
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: am taking those points. In this case, it's sixteen the

1131
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: over under something like sixty two, so Vegas expects a

1132
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: lot of points. I do not trust the UCF defense

1133
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: to hold down Colorado. So UCF wins at home, a

1134
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: nice win for them, but Colorado is gonna cover this

1135
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: point spread. Second lock of the week for me.

1136
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: So interestingly enough, Colorado has one of the most regressed offenses.

1137
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: The defense has improved this year and their offense has

1138
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: gotten worse. They're like, I think eighty ninth in points

1139
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 2: per drive against FBS teams before garbage time this year.

1140
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think it's too many points. I

1141
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: don't trust this defense against the pass, just like you

1142
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: and I thought, like Colorado coming back and winning that game,

1143
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: If we're gonna say winning is a skill like that

1144
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: was a skillful win, you mean that weird hail mary?

1145
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: Hey that Like, I don't know what Baylor was doing

1146
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: on that play that they couldn't construct a defense against

1147
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: a hail mary. I think they rushed five, maybe they

1148
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: rushed a ton. It wasn't Shador rolled out. It wasn't great.

1149
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: What was that stat that you read to me before

1150
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: we hit record about the Colorado defense. They've actually gotten

1151
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: better this year.

1152
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: The Colorado defense, I believe, is in the fifties in

1153
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: terms of points per drive allowed. According to the Dannalytics

1154
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: trademark copyright, Colorado has the fifteenth most improved defense early early,

1155
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: very small sample rate, but encouraging the number fifteen most

1156
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,959
Speaker 2: improved defense. They're giving up one plus point fewer per drive,

1157
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: so you know, over the course of a game that's meaningful.

1158
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 2: You know, they got stops in the second half against

1159
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: Nebraska and Colorado State. I think they held under ten points.

1160
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: So the defense has gotten better. Their offensive line is

1161
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: still an absolute wreck mess.

1162
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: Real quick, you're picking Arkansas versus Texas A and M.

1163
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: This is the neutral sider that they play at Jerry World,

1164
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: Connor Wegman a game time decision per Mike Elco. Marcel

1165
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: Reid played last week. Looked pretty good.

1166
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 2: No, I mixed on him. Continue.

1167
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm on A and M something like thirty

1168
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: one twenty four. I could be swayed though, because I

1169
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: definitely have an Arkansas affinity.

1170
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 2: This year. I'm going to Arkansas here. I just I

1171
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: like where they are as a program, and I think

1172
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: A and M in year one is still trying to

1173
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: figure out where they are. Game is always weird. I'm

1174
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: gonna take those.

1175
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: Points the two G five games that we wanted to

1176
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: call out. So this is the Liberty versus app State game.

1177
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: Liberty favored by three and a half. We forgot to

1178
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: mention Liberty in the last episode because their game against

1179
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: DCU was still ongoing after we hit stop. But they

1180
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: came back. They were down, I forget what the score

1181
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: was with they were down fairly early against DCU. They

1182
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: came back. They won that one thirty five to twenty four.

1183
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: Going away. I thought that was an impressive come from

1184
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: behind victory. These two teams have not played in ten years,

1185
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: and despite the fact that this one looked very consequential

1186
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: before the season, app State has really been exposed in

1187
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: a significant way. So basically, if you've got a decent offense,

1188
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: you're going to score on app State because the defense

1189
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: has been really, really bad. I'm you know, I would

1190
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: be inclined to go app State because they're at home,

1191
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: but not with what we've seen out of them the

1192
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. I'm just going to default to

1193
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: Liberty here because I know they can score. I think

1194
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: they've got, you know, enough momentum here at this point

1195
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: that we know what they're about, and there's no reason

1196
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: to think app State is going to provide a whole

1197
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: lot of resistance.

1198
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: The defense is left on Liberty's schedule, and I'm with you,

1199
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: I think they're going to win this game by about

1200
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: of a touchdown according to sp Plus very early on

1201
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: one await one twenty four one, nineteen one, twenty one,

1202
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: thirty two one twenty three ninety five and Sam Houston's

1203
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: seventy third best defensive s peoples left on the schedule.

1204
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: Wow, So should be undefat against that?

1205
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: By the way, just a quick little sidebar here. When

1206
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: you talk about should be undefeated, have you seen Duke's

1207
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: schedule and where Duke is in terms of how much

1208
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: they'll be favored the rest of the way out, Like

1209
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: there is a decent chance we're talking about nine and

1210
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: three Duke, and they might be favored in all of

1211
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: the rest of their games other than the Miami game. Yeah,

1212
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: by the way, this week, it's gl like their defense

1213
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: has been good offense has been whatever they could acc

1214
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: Iowa their way to a crazy bowl.

1215
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: Game this week. They are about a two and a

1216
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: half three point favorite at home against North Carolina for

1217
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: their rivalry game.

1218
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: It's a great time to be getting Carolina coach just

1219
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: threatened to quit and had to be convinced that he

1220
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: didn't that he shouldn't be.

1221
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: Then. The other one is three thirty. It's the Fresno game,

1222
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: Fresno at UNLV UNLV. That line came down for obvious reasons.

1223
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: Now since Sluka as society is going to opt out

1224
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: the rest of the year, UNLV favored by one. I

1225
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: believe UNLV's quarterback is a transfer from the Campbell Fighting

1226
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: Campbell's Campbell Campbell's joj Malik Williams. I suppose there's a

1227
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: chance they go unbeaten this year to spite Matt Sluka.

1228
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: Sure don't know if that's likely, though, I'm going Fresno here.

1229
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: I gotta go Fresno. I can't pick UNLV with all

1230
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: this turmoil flying around.

1231
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: You'd think Fresno would be able to run on UNLV

1232
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: and control the game, especially if UNLV is unable to

1233
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: get their offense as much as you know, Brendan Marion

1234
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: and that go go offense has been fun, especially on

1235
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: the ground. I think Fresno should be able to control

1236
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: it on the ground, given circumstance.

1237
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: Let's go to the night cap. Welcome to the pain zones.

1238
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 2: Where we live, m.

1239
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: Ohio.

1240
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: That was in your vows, right, Yeah, welcome to the

1241
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: pain zone. It's where we live.

1242
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: Ohio State at Michigan State, Ohio State favored by twenty

1243
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: four points. We've got Iowa State favored by fourteen. On

1244
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: the road at Houston South Alabama woo. On the road

1245
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: at LSULS you favored by twenty two okay, And in.

1246
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: The legal pad if you're watching on versus continue.

1247
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: And we've got Cincinnati at Texas Tech Texas Tech favored

1248
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: by two and a half point Stan. Those are my

1249
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: four games. Obviously, the show piece of the night cap

1250
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: is going to be that Alabama game. Yeah, give me

1251
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: a pick or two or three for these.

1252
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: I am going with an Alabama to cover against LSU.

1253
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: We go in Goo Lopez and Fluff bothwell.

1254
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're feeling fluffy here. On the solid verbal,

1255
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be able to run the ball

1256
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: enough on LSU unfortunately now LS without Harold Perkins for

1257
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: the duration of the season, which is a pretty significant shame.

1258
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 2: Feel bad for him. Hope he heals up perfectly. I

1259
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: think South Alabama's gonna run enough, and so I'm gonna

1260
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 2: say I don't know. Thirty three twenty LSU does not cover.

1261
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 2: South Alabama's able to cover. And this is a bit

1262
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: of a not a letdown look ahead, it's an open

1263
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: face look ahead. I think LSU is on by before

1264
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: they play Old. I like the points with Michigan State.

1265
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 2: How about that?

1266
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: See I've got this at like thirty eight three in

1267
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: favor of Ohio State. Oh, come on, I do, I do?

1268
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't Marshall and Akron and whoever

1269
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 2: like Western Michigan I think is the third one. No

1270
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 2: Ohio State is played. I think Michigan State's defense is

1271
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 2: good enough to limit enough possessions and give they're not

1272
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 2: giving Ohio State an actual test. What did I write

1273
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: down here? Thirty five thirteen they cover.

1274
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: I've got Iowa State at Houston and I've got Cincinnati

1275
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: at Texas Tech. I got a lot of road teams,

1276
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: which I don't feel great about.

1277
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: I love Iowa State, huge. This might be this might

1278
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: prove to be a great year to just bet against Houston.

1279
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: You want to lock it up, you're gonna go. Let's

1280
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: do a double lock for both of us this week.

1281
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: Yes, luck of the week.

1282
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it.

1283
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: You know which game I thought about a little bit?

1284
01:03:58,520 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 2: Stanford Clemson?

1285
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: You did? Yeah.

1286
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 2: Clemson season has been weird, like they've taken advantage of

1287
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: the teams that they probably should have a really NC State.

1288
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it wasn't impressive. It was crazy impressive

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Speaker 2: the way they beat NC State and an app State

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Speaker 2: team who I think we've downgraded a little bit based

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Speaker 2: on what our expectations were ahead of the year. Stanford

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Speaker 2: I think is decent, not great, But that was a

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Speaker 2: nice win against Syracuse last week. By the way, did

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Speaker 2: you see the story that came out of this out

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Speaker 2: of the Stanford Clemson game. There was a possibility that

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Speaker 2: Stanford was going to send their laundry to Clemson to

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Speaker 2: be done after the Syracuse game because they were worried

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Speaker 2: about weight on a plane on a shorter runway in Syracuse.

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Speaker 2: That they were going to send their laundry to Clemson,

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Speaker 2: and the Stanford equipment manager called up the Clemson equipment

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Speaker 2: manager and was like, here's our situation. We don't want

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Speaker 2: to have to drive a second truck back and forth

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Speaker 2: between western New York and northern California and then back

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Speaker 2: to South Carolina, and we don't know about our weight

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Speaker 2: issues with the plane and a short runway. Turns out

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Speaker 2: the Spartanburg Greenville Airport has a great runway for getting

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Speaker 2: into town, and so the Stanford equipment manager called the

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Speaker 2: Clemson equipment manager and Dabble mentioned this and is like

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Speaker 2: Monday presser, and Stanford guy was like, is this possible?

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Speaker 2: Could you'd like if we need help with our laundry,

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Speaker 2: could you hook it up? And the Clemson equipment manager

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Speaker 2: was like, yeah, of course, bro equipment manager, stick together,

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Speaker 2: we got you. And it was like the most heartwarming

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Speaker 2: equipment related story in college football history that Clemson was

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Speaker 2: potentially going to do Stanford's road uniform laundry. I think

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Speaker 2: Stanford got it figured out and they will no longer

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Speaker 2: need laundry assistance. But if the story was left with

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Speaker 2: something like we're on call in case there is something

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Speaker 2: last minute laundry service is needed, and I thought that

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Speaker 2: was great, beautiful Okay, I'm gonna give the points with Clemson.

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Speaker 1: Given the points. Yes, yes, all right, let's get to

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Speaker 1: the super duper late nightcap here. You have to achieve failure.

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01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: You have to take it that far. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: go that far.

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Speaker 2: It's too scary. You know something, I got news for you.

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Speaker 1: That's where winning is.

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Speaker 2: That's where winning is. Dan that that wasn't my vows

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Speaker 2: TI that specific quote. Continue.

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Speaker 1: You gotta push through. You gotta make it to these

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Speaker 1: late kicks. We've got Wazoo at Boise Bois favored by

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Speaker 1: seven and a half FS one at ten pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: We've got Arizona at Utah Utah favorite by eleven and

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Speaker 1: a half, ten to fifteen. And then your Oregon Ducks

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Speaker 1: eleven PM on the Fox Network. Yeah, favored by twenty

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01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: five and a half on the road at UCLA. You're

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01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: gonna stay awake for this game?

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01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: Well, I think we're gonna be awake anyway, because we're

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01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: doing our live stream at midnight.

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01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: Easter or you gonna finish watch this game.

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01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 2: So if this game kicks off at ten local, I

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01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: usually go to sleep around one thirty or so Central,

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01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: So okay, it'll probably be you know, it'll make sense

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01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 2: for me to watch if we were doing the late stream,

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01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: absolutely not. I would just watch this. I'd get up

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01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: at six am the next morning and buzz through it

1346
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 2: on YouTube TV. Not a sponsor could be. Thank god,

1347
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 2: college football has decided that we should bury the best,

1348
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: you know, West Coast running quarterback, the best West Coast

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01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 2: running back, if not the best running back in the sport,

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01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 2: the best pass defense on the West Coast footprint, the

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01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: best receiver potentially in the sport, maybe the best team

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01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 2: on the West Coast. Sure, and UCLA all in the

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01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 2: middle of the night for nobody on you know, the

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Speaker 2: eastern half of the country to see. Good job, guys,

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01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: this is great. I have in order. I'm gonna go

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01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 2: Boise covering against Wazoo. I think Wazoo is a good team.

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01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have difficulty with this rushing attack,

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01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: and Boise is, you know, quietly improving over the course

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Speaker 2: of the season. I have Utah over Arizona. Now. I

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01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 2: don't know what the Cam Rising situation is at the

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Speaker 2: time of recording, but I'm not a fan of where

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Speaker 2: Arizona is as a program. Although Arizona is coming off

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Speaker 2: of bye. Correct, Arizona is coming off of by Yes, yes,

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01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: so I kind of like them, but I think you

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01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: eventually sits on them. That's a lot of points though,

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01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: That is a lot of points. I think I like

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01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 2: Oregon here, and I wouldn't if Oregon were not coming

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01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 2: off of a bye, but the way that they handled

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01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 2: Oregon State, you still like coming off of an LSU game,

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01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 2: coming off of I just middle of the night. I

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01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: think Oregon is gonna very cleanly win this one.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the points in Wazoo Boise State. I think

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01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: this is a classic Pac twelve after Dark game. Now

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01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: it's back baby.

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01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: That's true.

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01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: Wazoo plus the points. I'm on Utah minus whatever. I'm

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01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 1: on work really whatever.

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 2: You're just fully out on Arizona. Yeah, so, I think

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01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: there's Arizona value. It's a new coach. They might take time,

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01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 2: but I don't know. Utah is the wrong team with value.

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01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm not out on Arizona as a program, but I'm

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01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: out on this game.

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01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 2: Could it be a letdown spot for Utah?

1384
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't see it. I'm on Utah.

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01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I had more faith in Arizona running

1386
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 2: the ball in this moment, then I might feel better

1387
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 2: about the Cats end of defense as well.

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01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: Dan. If you are in the market for live college

1389
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: football games and podcasts in pristine audio form, oh, here's

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: a reminder, go and download the Varsity Network app. It

1391
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: is free to download in the Apple App Store, Google

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: Play Store, search for your school, Wila. You get whatever

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01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: content you want. We're on there. If you want to

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01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 1: listen to a podcast on there, you can listen to

1395
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: us or a bunch of others that are on there

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01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: as well. Check it out Varsity Network app. I've got it,

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01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: You've got it. We use it every Saturday. It has

1398
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: been a life saver for us as we try to

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01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 1: do what we do here on the show. I agree, Dan,

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01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: We're going to have a monsoon situation this week as well.

1401
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: Oh, is this tropical stormy hurricane E Where is it?

1402
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,839
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be moving right towards South Bend, Indiana,

1403
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 1: so maybe not tropical the tropics. We will talk about

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01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 1: that when we get to the Saturday show. We'll see

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01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: what kind of an impact it has here.

1406
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: Okay, too soon to say you did miss one game

1407
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 2: ahead of the Patriot League. I should say, Oh, Georgia

1408
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 2: Groan Georgia State, Georgia Southern. Yeah, okay, it is big,

1409
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: stanky and groaning drum and five. Who do you have

1410
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 2: there in the Georgia Groen game. I'm gonna go Georgia State.

1411
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to Georgia State as well.

1412
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: Give me Georgia State, give me the Panthers.

1413
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 2: Will you drop that big stanky Georgia groaning drummond? Five?

1414
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: Please? Baby, baby, baby baby. Okay, here we go, Dan,

1415
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm ready. Holy Cross at Syracuse twelve pm ESPN plus

1416
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: you go and Cross Staders in a huge upset over

1417
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: the for Animal.

1418
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: Yes, he letdown spot for Q.

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01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to see Yeah. Twelve o'clock ESPN plus,

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01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: buck Nell at Lehigh Dan going, Nelly buck New going Nellies. Yeah, absolutely,

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01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: and I gotta go leek High twelve thirty. Multi Sport

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01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: Field is hosting Columbia. Columbia has been practicing. Columbia has

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01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: been built for this all season long. Colombia has been

1424
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: piping in that noise. I'm going Columbia here. Patriot League

1425
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 1: lock of the week. Okay, fordom at Monmouth on Flow

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01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: Sports at one o'clock, Dan.

1427
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me the mouth these Fordham has been.

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01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: Going handies and going handmies and finally, last but certainly

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01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: not least, one PM ESPN. Plus we've got Colgate at

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01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: Penn m I'm going Pen.

1431
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go Pen as well. After my experience

1432
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 2: at Angelo's, I feel very good about Philadelphia.

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01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: Right in solid verbo agbo dot com. Let us know

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01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: what we got right, what we got wrong. Of course,

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Speaker 1: to grow the forballer hood. Yes, over the next couple days,

1439
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Speaker 1: we've got our big ten Breakfast episode, the new one,

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Speaker 1: which is going to drop Friday morning at nine am

1441
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: out on the YouTube channel. You can of course stop

1442
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Speaker 1: back and listen to the week five recap stream, which

1443
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: we do midnight Eastern on Saturday night. If not, it

1444
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: will hit your podcast feeds bright and early on Sunday morning.

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01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: And of course make sure you go on out to

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Speaker 1: playerunthboard dot com and get in on the Pickham game.

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01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: It's a great week of games. Play for a one

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01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: hundred dollars Nike gift card play against the Verballerhood. All

1449
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: you can do is pick twelve things, ten games against

1450
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: the spread, two player props, and that's it. The winner

1451
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: gets the gift card. Am I eligible not for the prizes.

1452
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 1: We buy the prizes, so no, let's least you want

1453
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: to take it. But otherwise we both play in this

1454
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: and it is your opportunity not just to play against

1455
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: Dan and I and all the people that help us

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01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 1: with our show, but all the people that support the

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Speaker 1: show as well.

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 2: Liver Bolerhood ah the best.

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Speaker 1: I think that's all we have, so look longer show.

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01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: But obviously we had a lot more to discuss here

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01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: with some of the news at the top. Silver Spoon Saturday, Dan.

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01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 2: That's correct. What have you done to earn?

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01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 1: Silver spoon Saturday is upon us? Hope it treats you well.

1464
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: Come on back here on Saturday night or on Sunday morning,

1465
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: recap these games with us. For that guy over there,

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01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: Tie Dan Ruemisteine.

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01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 2: I'm tying, I'm Dan.

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01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 1: For that guy over there, Dan, I am Tie. As always,

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Speaker 1: stay solid, Peace,