1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social 2 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: Distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: joined as always by the one and only West Hodkowitz. 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: We're coming to you from our humble abodes as we 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: have for the last several weeks. And West, we're now 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: a week a full week essentially after the draft, and 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: you and I have been getting to work here a 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: little bit on the phones. We're trying to track down, 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: you know, college coaches other past connections to the Packers 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: draft picks. We've got some stories that are coming up 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: on Packers dot com with regards to that. And the 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: first one is today, it's already on the website as 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, and it's Boston College running back A. J. Dillon. 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: I happened to track down his running backs coach from 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: Boston College who's now at Colorado State. His name is 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: Brian White, and for Wisconsin Badger fans you would certainly 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: recognize White. He is the running best coach and former 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for the Wisconsin Badgers during the Ron Dane era. 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: And uh, he wasn't necessarily going to make any comparisons 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: between Ron Dane and a J. Dillon, But pretty interesting 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: that that the Packers second round pick is was coached 22 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: by the same guy who coached a Heisman Trophy winner. Yeah, 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: and and this is the guy that again you're not 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: making comparisons too, but when you look at the way 25 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: he's built, the way he runs his vertical, his forty uh, 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: there's so many things that Ron Dane did well that 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: I think you see with a J. Dillon. Now, Dylan 28 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: gonna look to go on above and beyond that here 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: at the next level. But it was really enlightening as 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: I read this story. Mike listening to White kind of 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: recounts some of his favorite tales what stood out to 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: him during his career, and he did mention something that 33 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: I've been talking about quite a bit over the last week, 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: and that's you look at this young man two or 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: forty seven pounds, six ft all you might have an 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: image in your mind of what that looks like, and 37 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: then you see a J. Dillon and it blows it 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: out of the freaking water. I mean, this guy he 39 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: even I think he used the word tree trunks. You know, 40 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: when you look at his legs and the way that 41 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: he's built in his lower half, an impressive physical specimen 42 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: who at Boston College had a really incredible run and 43 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: now obviously getting the chance to come to Green Bay, 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: Wisconsin and hopefully build upon that now is a second 45 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: round draft choice. Yeah, it was really interesting talking to 46 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: White because I asked him not knowing a whole lot 47 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: about Dylan's background. Before he got to Boston College, he 48 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: was the top rated player in the state of Massachusetts, 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: and Brian White was involved in recruiting him, and it 50 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: was interesting just getting his perspective on how he got 51 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: to know A. J. Dillon. And I asked him just 52 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: about his size, like, well, when he was coming out 53 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: of high school, like what, you know, how big was 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: He's like, well, he was actually about two forty two 55 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: or two forty five, Like he was really that size. 56 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: And he told kind of a funny story that during 57 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: the recruiting process, they were giving, uh, the Dylan family 58 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: a tour of Fenway Park in Boston, obviously a great 59 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: sports landmark in in that city. And at the time, 60 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: Dylan's younger sister was about five years old, and she 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: was getting kind of, you know, tired and cranky, you know, 62 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: like kindergarteners might do, and whatnot, and um so, Dylan 63 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: picked her up. She fell asleep in his arms, and 64 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: he carried her around Fenway Park for forty five minutes 65 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: during during the entire tour. So um so, yeah, I 66 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: guess you need to be a tun and forty pound 67 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: muscularly strong high school kid to carry a kindergartener around 68 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: a major league ballpark for nearly an hour. I just 69 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: I gotta kick out of that story anyway. I encourage 70 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: everybody to, uh check it out. It's it's it's fun 71 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: to listen to the memories of some of these coaches 72 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: who have been involved with these players in their past. Yeah, 73 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: it was funny. That was probably one of my favorite 74 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: parts of the story too, because you just imagine what 75 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: that's like for ninety minutes or whatever it is. I 76 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: don't care what kind of drills you're doing in the 77 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: weight room to get yourself ready for that. That that 78 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: taxes the muscles. And obviously it was a comfortable enough 79 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: ride that the young lady was able to fall asleep. 80 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: But uh yeah. The other thing too about Dylan in 81 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: terms of what I took away from the story, the 82 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: way that he approaches the game, the way he works 83 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: at it and also how he goes about you know, 84 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: not just not just putting on film what he's done, 85 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: but where he wants to grow. I think it's something 86 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: that stands out still. A young guy, guy that did 87 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: leave Boston college year early now getting a chance to 88 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 1: you know, potentially, you know, really have a huge impact 89 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: now with this Green Bay backfield, it is built for 90 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: him to to make an impact sooner rather than later. Yeah. Well, 91 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: as I said, over the next week or two, West 92 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: and I are going to be posting some stories, follow 93 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: up stories on these draft picks, catching up with some 94 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: of their past connections. A. J. Dillon is on the 95 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: site today, so be sure to check that out. Um. 96 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: What's the other thing I thought we'd get to here 97 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: before the week is out is to take a look 98 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: at the Packers NFC North foes and what they did 99 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: in the draft, because there's a lot of differences in 100 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: terms of the draft capital. These teams had their targets, 101 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: what they went after, how they went about it. Um, 102 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: I guess we'll just start with the Minnesota Vikings. Fifteen 103 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: draft picks. West the largest seven round draft class in 104 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: the short history of the seven round draft, and they 105 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: actually could have had even more, but they made some 106 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: trades and got some extra picks for next year. I 107 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: think they're actually heading into the one draft with a 108 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: dozen picks already. So uh. But Minnesota, they lost a 109 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: lot of guys for they traded their number one wide receiver, 110 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: they lost guys in free agency, other guys for salary 111 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: cap reasons. This was a huge rebuild, retool type of 112 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: draft for the Minnesota Vikings. They have a big, big 113 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: rookie class they do. And I just want to tell 114 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: this quick story. I know there's reveries with Packer fans, 115 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: Vikings fans, NFC North. We are very friendly though with 116 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: our with our colleagues on other NFL team websites. Yeah, 117 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: I had a good laugh with Kim and Polito who 118 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: used to work with us over at the Packers now 119 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: she's over at the Vikings. Also Lindsay Young, who's one 120 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: of the reporters and writers over at the Vikings. Kind 121 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: of in Eric Smith as well, just given them a 122 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: little bit of flak last Saturday night on enjoy that 123 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: last third day in all of those draft picks that 124 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: they ended up with, because as you and I well know, Mike, 125 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: if the Packers would have had fifteen, we would have 126 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 1: probably parceled them out a little bit or pushed them together. 127 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: So we didn't write fifteen stories. But there's still fifteen 128 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: draft picks, and that's fifteen human beings that you have 129 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: to account for in your coverage. A lot of information 130 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: to process, for sure. I remember two thousand thirteen when 131 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: the Packers drafted whatever that was twelve guys. That class 132 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: was a nightmare and I ended up, I am, out 133 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: of all the drafts I've covered, that is the least 134 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: proud I've ever been of any coverage I've ever done. 135 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: I mean, for cripe sakes, I think I ended up 136 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: saying like Micah Hyde was a character concern or something. 137 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: It's just the most ridiculous things that I think I 138 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: could have ever written in my life. But regardless, that's 139 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: what happens when you have thirteen picks. That's a little 140 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: insight into what media is like. But looking at the 141 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: on field aspect of this, the Vikings defense just went 142 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: through a massive overhaul, specifically on the defensive side of 143 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: the ball. So to get Jeff Gladney at number thirty one, 144 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: the cornerback on the TCU, I mean, these are the 145 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: type of moves they need to make, and certainly when 146 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: you trade a guy of the talent of Stefon Diggs, 147 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: I know there were a lot of Packer fans that 148 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: were upset that they took Justin Jefferson. Listen, folks, the 149 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: Vikings don't get Justin Jefferson if they don't subtract Stefon 150 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: Diggs as just arithmetic of the NFL exactly, they essentially 151 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: swapped the number one receivers they sent, sent their guy 152 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: to Buffalo, and then they drafted a number one receiver 153 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: with that pick that they got from Buffalo. Yeah, and 154 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: that's just the way that you know, the cookie crumbles 155 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: sometimes in this league. And then you know, as we're 156 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: Cleveland was a guy I was really high on. I 157 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: think Troy dies a good prospect for them in the 158 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: fourth round once you got to the sixth round. I 159 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: don't Nate Stanley, I know is from I believe man Nominie, Yes, Manomonie, Wisconsin. Yeah. 160 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: I got a chance to talk with him a little bit. 161 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: I know his family is incredibly excited about that. But 162 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: beyond that, I don't know anything about the rest of 163 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: these guys, but that the first two rounds, specifically I 164 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of talent there that's gonna be 165 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: able to help the Vikings. Yeah, I mean it was 166 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: pretty it was pretty simple to as much as we 167 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: thought the Packers draft was somewhat unpredictable, it was pretty 168 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: simple to figure out Minnesota's strategy here. You know, they 169 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: drafted Justin Jefferson after they you know, traded Stefon Diggs. 170 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: They've always been for the last several years, they've been 171 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: trying to retool that offensive line. So they spend a 172 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: high pick on a on an offensive tackle in Ezra 173 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: Cleveland from Boise State, and then losing three of their 174 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: top four cornerbacks in free agency Trey Wayne, Zavier Rhodes, 175 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: Mackenzie Alexander all gone. So two of Minnesota's top four 176 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: picks in this draftwork cornerbacks. They got gladni from TC. 177 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: You they got Danceler from Mississippi State, So Minnesota has 178 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: some guys there they could potentially be stepping in to 179 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: play right away as rookies and moving on. Then the 180 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions, the top of their draft is very similar 181 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: in that respect because you look at you look at 182 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: taking Jeff okuda Um at number three overall, the top cornerback, 183 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: top defensive back in this draft out of Ohio State. 184 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: Then they also get DeAndre Swift, the running back from 185 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: Georgia and Julian Okwara and edge rusher from Notre Dame. 186 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: He's now the guy that looks like they'll be pairing 187 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: with Trey Flowers as far as the two guys they 188 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: will have on opposite edges to get after the quarterback. 189 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: Those are three guys for the Detroit Lions who could 190 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: be stepping in right away to play on Day one 191 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, and Jonah Jackson to the guard from 192 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: Ohio State, another other guy that could potentially be thrown 193 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: in there. They've been want to play offensive lineman as 194 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: rookies quite often here the last few years. So it's 195 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: another guy. Uh Aqua A great story obviously, Romeo is 196 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: already on the team. Chance for brothers to reunite their 197 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: you love that. Obviously, We'll have to see how it 198 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: plays out for them. Defensively, they had a lot of 199 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: work to do. Both of those brothers they went. They 200 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: both went to Notre Dame too right they were. They 201 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: were both for the fighting Irish. But Romeo was what 202 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: a sixth round pick I don't think he was definitely right. 203 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: He was later in the draft for sure. Yeah, yeah, 204 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: but but yeah then I mean going with the cornerback 205 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: from Ohiouse State. I saw a stat out there, Mike, 206 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: did you notice that too? I think they said he 207 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: was the highest taken, our highest drafted cornerback. Was that 208 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: like twenty five years or something like that too? Yeah, 209 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: the third overall? Um, yeah, that was That's that's going 210 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: back to like the Dion Sanders age. Maybe, And if 211 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: you're talking to five years ago, if we weren't unscripted, 212 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: I would have done more research and look it up. 213 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: But but that something, folks, I'm sure in the future here, 214 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: as we write about him more and more, we'll have that. 215 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift was one of my favorites in this draft. 216 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: He did not end up going as far as the 217 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: first running back selected, like I think some people thought, 218 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: including myself. But still listen, Mike, they've been doing this 219 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: for years. It's been a carousel. They're trying to find 220 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: somebody at that running back position that they can count on. 221 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,359 Speaker 1: It looked like at points carry On Johnson was that individual. 222 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: He got hurt, really wasn't able to get that momentum 223 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: back last season. So DeAndre Swift he's the next guy. 224 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at how many resources that the 225 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: Lions have invested in the first and second round with 226 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: the running backs over the last fifteen twenty years. It 227 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: has been extraordinary in this path through. I mean, I 228 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: guess in some regards say still replaced Barry Sanders. I 229 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: don't know the last time that they've had a running back, 230 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe uh yeah, I'm trying to think the 231 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: last time they've had a running back just back to 232 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: back back, you know, consistent year after year. You know, 233 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: this is the guy. They've been battling that for a 234 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: number of years, and they hope that, you know, maybe 235 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: finally this carousel ends on the Georgia running back. Yeah, 236 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: they keep trying to they keep trying to find that 237 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: feature back, and they keep trying different guys. Sometimes it's 238 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: sometimes it's been injuries. Sometimes it's been more of that 239 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: that flash in the pan type of thing that then 240 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't work out for the long term. So um 241 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: Detroit keeps, uh keeps trying to find that a steady, 242 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: consistent running game to put behind Matthew Stafford. I thought 243 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: it was interesting because there was so much talk about 244 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: the Lions possibly trading back from the number three overall 245 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: spot that they were they were going to try to, 246 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, get a king's ransom, so to speak, for 247 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: that pick when everybody knew Joe Burrow was going number one, 248 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: Chase Young was going number two, so then you have 249 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: your pick of everybody else, anybody else starting at number three. 250 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: But it sounds like they just they were going to 251 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: give the number three pick away just to get some 252 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: extra picks. It sounds like they just never really got 253 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: an offer that was very interesting to them. Yeah, what 254 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: probably hurt the Lions here is to uh in the 255 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: hip injury. You think if he's healthy, there would have 256 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: been a team that would have potentially moved up there. 257 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: Heck it might have even been the Dolphins for all 258 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: we know. Yeah. Absolutely, But the thing is is with 259 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: all those question marks and with not having the typical 260 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: metal medical checks. There were some medical checks they were 261 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: able to do, but not having your your full resources, 262 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: that's a big investment teams have to make to be 263 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: able to move up that spot. So they stick with 264 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: where they are. What an interesting day this is though, 265 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: with Akuda coming in now there and then gladly with 266 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: the Vikings. For so many years, it was all about 267 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, Xavier Rhodes and you know and Darius Slay 268 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: and those were the guys every year, Mike, when the 269 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: Packers would play the Lions and the Vikings. We do 270 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: our little scouting reports, we do our little previews on unscripted. 271 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: We're always talking about them. We're talking about the matchup 272 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: with Jordy Nelson and Davante Adams and occasionally Randall Cobb. 273 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: It's a new day and seeing how both of those defenses, 274 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: the Lions coming from a place where they need to 275 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: improve and the Vikings looking to maintain, that's gonna be 276 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: a big question mark for both of those squads going 277 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: into Yeah. Well, the team in the NFC North that 278 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: had the least draft cap a heading any of the 279 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: heading into this was the Chicago Bears. They were short 280 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: on picks. They were still essentially paying for Khalil Mack 281 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: because of the trade of the first round pick that 282 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: was included in the mac deal with Oakland, and then 283 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: they were also down a um a pick i believe 284 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: from the third round round for the for the David 285 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: Montgomery pick from last year when they when they got 286 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: him to add to their backfield. We know, the big 287 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: story in Chicago from now until whenever the season starts 288 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: is what's going to happen at quarterback. They brought in 289 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: Nick Foles. It's gonna be Nick Foles against Mitchell Travisky 290 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: and all that. But boy, if there's one thing that 291 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: head coach Matt Naggi is trying to figure out with 292 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: his offense, it's he wants tight ends. He wants to 293 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: build a lot of his offense there. They signed Jimmy 294 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: Graham as a free as a free agent after the 295 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: Packers released him, and then their first draft pick in 296 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: the second round, they used on Cole Commet, who was 297 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: pretty much considered the top tight end in this draft 298 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: out of Notre Dame. And I think I saw that 299 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: the Bears have something like nine or ten tight ends 300 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: on their roster right now, so they're they're trying to 301 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: sort that out. But other than quarterback, their two biggest 302 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: offseason moves are trying to rebuild that tight end position. Yeah, 303 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: and let's be honest here, Mike about something. The way 304 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: that the Chicago Bears have worked. You go back a 305 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: couple of years ago when when Mitchell Robinski. Everybody was 306 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: so high on him and they thought that the ceiling 307 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: was there. They thought they saw the glimpses in two 308 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen. A lot of it had to do 309 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: with Trey Burton in the production that they got from 310 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: the tight end position in the middle of the field. 311 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: They did not have that outlet last year for one 312 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: reason or another. Adam Sheheen has not really worked out 313 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: for them. The big tight end that they got from 314 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: Ashland that they spent a second round draft pick on 315 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: a few years ago, that's Uncourt. He's been a bus 316 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: to this point. So you have the big injury there 317 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: with Burton that took away a massive weapon. You don't 318 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: know what his prognosis is going to be. They obviously 319 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: released him and we'll see where he falls now. I 320 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: think he's working through that hip injury, still trying to 321 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: get cleared from that. So they go and get Jimmy Graham. 322 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: Fine first step tight end. Whatever Packer fans think, there 323 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: aren't a whole lot of them out there in terms 324 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: of dynamic playmakers at that position. Cole commit, as you said, unanimously, 325 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: the top tight end of this draft. If we need 326 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: any further evidence of that look at how far Adam 327 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: Troutman ended up falling. This is the guy. Commit was 328 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: the guy, great size for the position, six ft six 329 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: two and sixty pounds, a two sport college athlete, and 330 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: from all intents and purposes, where while there is a 331 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: transition to be had there for tight ends moving into 332 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: the National Football League, his transition should be relatively seamless. 333 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: It appears. I mean, he has an NFL bill to 334 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: begin with. He's a solid pass catcher, he can make 335 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: plays on fifty fifty balls, and he's a good enough 336 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: in terms of the blocking that I think they're gonna 337 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: have something to work with their in terms of fundamentals. 338 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: But this is it, Mike. This is the year that 339 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: I think that, like the Bears, if they're going to 340 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: do anything, if they're going to be the team that 341 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: everybody thought they were going to be a year ago, 342 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: they need to of it this season. Yes, they'll be 343 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: getting some more draft capital coming up here in the 344 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: next few seasons, but let's be honest, my what happened 345 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: last year shouldn't have happened. They were expected to be 346 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: a powerhouse, not only in the NFC North, but in 347 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: the entire conference, and it didn't happen. There's questions at cornerback, 348 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: there's questions that receiver, there's questions at tight end, and 349 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: obviously the Mitchell Troubinsky question. So many things that they 350 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: have to answer between now at the beginning of the 351 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: regular season. Yeah, and they seem to be also, you know, 352 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: searching the availability right now to add some speed onto 353 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: the field and with it. Just within the last few days, 354 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: they've signed Trevor Davis, the former wide receiver for the Packers, 355 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: and they've signed the the veteran Ted Bean Jr. So 356 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, they no longer have Taylor Gabriel, they let 357 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: him go. You know, they're they're they're trying. They're trying 358 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: to piece it together and and get Matt Naggy the 359 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: the offense, the style, the types of players that he wants, 360 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: but they still haven't quite figured it out at quarterback yet. 361 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: This whole, this whole fulls Trubisky thing is going to 362 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: be the story of the off season in Chicago. I 363 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: don't know what it's gonna look like. I really don't. 364 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: I don't know what their offense is gonna look like. 365 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what their season is gonna look like. 366 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: You could ask me every year, you know, how do 367 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: I think the division is gonna play out? Not that 368 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm some kind of soothsayer, far from it, but usually 369 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: you have a relative idea of how these things are 370 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: going to play out, what the division is gonna look 371 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: like in December, the Bears could be anywhere. Honestly, I'm 372 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: not sure because you know, the Vic Fangio defense, it 373 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: still was pretty darn good under Chuck Pagano last year, 374 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: but you know, you subtracted Prince and Mukamara others. There's 375 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: so many things that are going to change their ha ha. 376 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: Clinton dis moved on again, so we'll see. And that 377 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: was I was gonna say to Just like the Packers 378 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: other NFC North foes, the Bears took a top pick 379 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: at cornerback because they had an additional second round pick. 380 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: They took Jalen Johnson, the cornerback out of Utah. As 381 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: you said, Prince and Mukamara is gone, so they needed 382 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: a replacement there. The defensive backfields across the NFC north 383 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: West gonna look really really different in compared to even 384 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: just last year or the year before. As you said 385 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes ago, it's a New Day in 386 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: that regard in this division for the Packers and what 387 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is going to be looking at across the 388 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Yeah. And if you wanted to know 389 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: what people still think of Aaron Rodgers the amount of 390 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: assets and capital that has been put into the cornerback 391 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: position by the other three NFC North teams, it's uh, 392 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: it's still a big, big, big emphasis. Yeah, no doubt 393 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: about it. Well, with that, we will call it a 394 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to 395 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: follow all of our coverage of the team and all 396 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: of these draft pick follow up stories I was talking about. 397 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: Those will beyond packers dot Com in the coming days 398 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: and weeks. Enjoy your weekend everybody. For west I Mike, 399 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: take care and we will see you next time.