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Speaker 1: your friends. Um, there's plenty to go around. Yeah, all

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Speaker 1: kinds of good stuff, plenty to go around. And so Matt,

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Speaker 1: the big news today out of this we heard a

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Speaker 1: bunch of guys basically the linebackers, edge rushers, defensive defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: Uh speaking today, seven guys. The one guy we didn't

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Speaker 1: get to hear speak was Jalen Carter. Right, It's not

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Speaker 1: like he was close and speak. And then within about

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Speaker 1: he was being charged with a couple of misdemeanor crimes.

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Speaker 1: Crimes nonetheless in Georgia. And we're talking not here about

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Speaker 1: a guy who is possibly a first round talent. No,

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Speaker 1: he's like he's the top of the draft. Like I

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Speaker 1: think he's the best player in the draft. Yeah, bet.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm just wondering, you know how this changes

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Speaker 1: that perception of Jalen Carter. Well, I think the optics

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Speaker 1: of it happening here as opposed a couple of days

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of time before the first pick

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Speaker 1: of the first round, So Chicago, Arizona, whomever else will

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Speaker 1: have a lot of time to investigate this. It's fresh

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Speaker 1: on everyone's mind. There'll plenty time to talk to him. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: bit of homework and I don't know if this is

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Speaker 1: quotes from anonymous scouts or whatever they're saying. I don't

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Speaker 1: know any character concerns with them. Sometimes they had the

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Speaker 1: Campbell's the one I like for where I think you

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Speaker 1: on his interview and he was talking, he actually says

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Speaker 1: something pretty funny because he said, I think linebackers need

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Speaker 1: just I like, you know, his personality was was you know,

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Speaker 1: he was engaging and that kind of stuff. But six one,

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Speaker 1: but I think length is unbelievably important at these linebacker spots.

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Speaker 1: You know, like you look at Fred Warner, I mean

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Speaker 1: So maybe that's what I'm doing. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

424
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Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a lot of stuff that happens

425
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Speaker 1: out here, and there's a lot of information being thrown

426
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Speaker 1: at us. We still don't have heights and weights. Yeah,

427
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Speaker 1: and these first guys here that you know, when be

428
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Speaker 1: getting I would assume by tomorrow morning we'll start to

429
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Speaker 1: that's I would think, So become available and what's tonight again,

430
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Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know the schedule. Well, with

431
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Speaker 1: all this, I would assume since the linebackers, defensive ends,

432
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Speaker 1: and edge rushers were all, I assume they're the work

433
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Speaker 1: first workouts tonight. Yes, I think so. I think they

434
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Speaker 1: do everything tonight, right, So, yeah, so they usually do

435
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Speaker 1: them in order like that. That's a long day for them.

436
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Speaker 1: Time the interview started at eight o'clock in the morning,

437
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: they probably those guys were long before that because you

438
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 1: had to go you had to go get medical checks, meetings, breakfast,

439
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I mean, I doubt they were like, hey,

440
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 1: go take a nap at noon, you know. I mean,

441
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: that's just they just monopolize every minute of your life

442
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 1: while you're here. Now, you might sneak a nap in

443
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 1: while you're waiting for an MRI or right, so that's

444
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: not much. And you've had a tough couple of days

445
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: and you flew here and you might even have jet lag,

446
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: like you know what time zone you came from and

447
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff too. And we saw this

448
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: a lot last year, Like I'm pretty sure all the

449
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: running backs just said we're not doing the three cone

450
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 1: because it was like at ten thirty at night, right,

451
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: it was the last event and they were like having

452
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Speaker 1: up since six. I don't have it in me. He

453
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: this is your fault, sorry by you know, and I

454
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 1: think they're trying to avoid that. I just don't know

455
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: how you do it. You know, all this late stuff

456
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: because they went on TV of course. Yeah, you know.

457
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: Uh so the three Cones stuff. Um, I think a

458
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: lot gets put into the forty time. Yeah. To me,

459
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: I think the three Cones stuff is more important definitely

460
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 1: for edge rusher's tight ends. It's kind of more important

461
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 1: for everybody. It's more football, Yeah, I mean change directions.

462
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: How al do you change directions? You're able to dip

463
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: your shoulders, you know, keep your balance. It's a sports car.

464
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: He was a sports car cany corner. Yeah, absolutely, that

465
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Speaker 1: kind of shuttles as well. Here comes here. We got

466
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Speaker 1: Greg co cell coming in here from NFL Films, an

467
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: NFL Live and all kinds of good stuffies. Our favorite

468
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: guest of the year absolutely, so we are always happy

469
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Speaker 1: to have to have Greg Joy this year. Greg's Very's

470
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Speaker 1: a popular guy. Popular guy or like West has been

471
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Speaker 1: hunting them down for an hour. Greg's like the king

472
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: of the King of the combine. But now you're right.

473
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Speaker 1: I mean those change of direction drills to me are

474
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Speaker 1: probably more important than the forty So like if you

475
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Speaker 1: if you have a so so forty times, but you

476
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: have a really good three cone time. Yeah, I'm okay, fine,

477
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,719
Speaker 1: that's fine. And the thing though one ever looks at

478
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: too is ten yard and twenty yards splits too. I mean,

479
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: how often you're running forty yards in a straight line? Yeah,

480
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's and it's the thing with the forty

481
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: two is there's so much technique involved. I mean track starts.

482
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Speaker 1: When do I get my shoulders up to come out?

483
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: You know, things like that. I mean, running tracks not easy.

484
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: It's not just go be fast. There's technique involved. If

485
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Speaker 1: that were the case, then everybody, you know, there'll be

486
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that I've seen fast guys you

487
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: know that they can do those kind of things, but

488
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: they don't test quite as well because again they're not

489
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Speaker 1: trained in the coming out of the blocks. Right, It's

490
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Speaker 1: a huge waste of time as a football player to

491
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Speaker 1: go learn track stuff. Yeah, okay, Greg's ready for there

492
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Speaker 1: we go. H So our guest now is Greg co

493
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Speaker 1: self from NFL Films. Greg, how are you doing well?

494
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: My change of direction isn't quite as good as it

495
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: used to be. Yeah. Other than that, I'm doing okay,

496
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: and my forties probably a little slower, little blow. Yeah.

497
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Speaker 1: So how many years at NFL films now? I just

498
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Speaker 1: finished my forty third season. That's awesome. Congratulations coming to

499
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Speaker 1: the combine. I think since nineteen ninety eight. Wow, very cool.

500
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Speaker 1: So you've seen seen a lot of stuff. You're seeing

501
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stuff here. Have you seen anything

502
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: like what happened with Jalen Carter this morning? I mean,

503
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Speaker 1: you see, I can't you know, I can't remember you know, specifics,

504
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: but I mean, obviously, uh, I did speak to a

505
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Speaker 1: scout who would know he's very connected with the SEC,

506
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: who did tell me that in his mind, that's not

507
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: a surprise that Carter is a guy that they've struggled

508
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: with all the year and they've just been at Georgia.

509
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: They just try to get him to the games every week,

510
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: that there's issues with him on a regular basis. I

511
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Speaker 1: don't know what those issues are. I'm just citing something

512
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: I was told by someone who would know. See, so

513
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: that was an issue last year they cropped up with

514
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Speaker 1: George Pickens. There was this oh well there were some

515
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: problems at Georgia, and then he comes to the Steelers

516
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: last year there were they didn't have any problems with him.

517
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Speaker 1: So I don't is it a Georgia thing. I don't know.

518
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Speaker 1: We don't know that. Although I could tell you that

519
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Speaker 1: I thought George Pickens was the best receiving prospect in

520
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Speaker 1: the draft last year. I remember this time last year,

521
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: you thought Pickens was the best receiver and Pickett was

522
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Speaker 1: the best quarterback. So I didn't think that, Yeah, where

523
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Speaker 1: he had on Pickett. Now, I thought Pickett had a

524
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Speaker 1: really solid rookie season. Um. I thought he improved clearly. Um,

525
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Speaker 1: there's some things he definitely has to work on. We

526
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Speaker 1: can discuss us if you like. But I thought, you know,

527
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Speaker 1: this is not an X and O point, But I

528
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Speaker 1: think the one thing you clearly see with Pickett is

529
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Speaker 1: he sees it. It's not too fast, he's just he's

530
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Speaker 1: out there playing in a sense the same way he

531
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Speaker 1: played in college. You know, there's he's not frenetic, he's

532
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Speaker 1: not chaotic. He sees it. He knows where to go

533
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Speaker 1: with the football. I think that one of the areas

534
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: he needs to clearly work on is he does have

535
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: a tendency at times to leave the pocket too early. Yeah,

536
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: and I think that that ideally that comes with more experience.

537
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: He did that at pit on occasion, not as much

538
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: as he did it with the Steelers this past year,

539
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: but he does have that tendency that needs to be

540
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Speaker 1: cleaned up because what happens is you leave throws on

541
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Speaker 1: the field and you don't want to do that. Statistically,

542
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: advanced stats or whatever, the two areas that most rookie

543
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Speaker 1: struggle and including him, and his numbers were quite bad

544
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Speaker 1: to be honest, is ten to twenty yards? You know

545
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: that intermediate range and red zone? Right? Is there any

546
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 1: reservations that, hey, he's never gonna get it? I mean,

547
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: those are the hardest rows to me. And I also

548
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: don't think their offense presents a lot of ten to

549
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Speaker 1: twenty yard throws. Yeah, it's good point, and I think

550
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Speaker 1: you can you know, I know, Matt Kenna, you guys

551
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: are Pittsburgh. I know you know. I'm I don't rip coaches.

552
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: I know Matt Cannada came under a lot of fire,

553
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: but for Steelers fans, and I know he's back because

554
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Speaker 1: you know Mike Tomlin obviously, as does the higher Steeler

555
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: organization believe in continuity. They don't make change for change's sake.

556
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: So we'll see, you know what happens this year. Now

557
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: that Matt Canada has a year with Kenny Pickett and

558
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: they can figure out strengths limitations best way moving forward,

559
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: So you need to give that another year. But I

560
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: don't think their offense this past year necessarily presented a

561
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: lot of those the kinds of throws, yeah, and not

562
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: a lot of inbreaking routes. No, nor it was interesting.

563
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: And that two years ago with Ben Roethlisberger, the offense

564
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: was almost exclusively within ten yards, right, and then this year, right,

565
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Speaker 1: it was not. And so I don't know that we've

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Speaker 1: actually seen what Matt Canada's offense is supposed to be yet, right,

567
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Speaker 1: And that's why it's it's it's hard to answer that.

568
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: And and I think you need this offseason and this

569
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: year to get a really better feel for that, because

570
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: they'll tell you. Now, look, you can watch a quarterback

571
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: in college all day long. This is what I do.

572
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: I sit and watch tape. Okay, some I get to

573
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Speaker 1: know a little bit something most own, so I can't

574
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Speaker 1: speak to the personal part. But you watch tape and

575
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: even when you feel really comfortable with a player, until

576
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: you're with him every day, coaching him, seeing him, and

577
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: then performing games, you know when it really matters, there's

578
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: there's no one certainty, you know, I guarantee when the

579
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Speaker 1: Steelers drafted pick it, they felt really good. Okay, because

580
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: Picket is that kind of guy. You know, it means

581
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: something to him. He's smart, he you know, he does

582
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: the right thing. He's I wouldn't call me a high

583
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: high level traits guy, but he certainly has enough traits. Um.

584
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Speaker 1: But until you're with someone every day, see what they

585
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Speaker 1: do well, see what they're most comfortable with, see how

586
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: it plays out versus different defenses, different pressures, you don't

587
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: really know. So now they have a much better sense

588
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: of that because he's played so now right now you

589
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: get an off season, another off season, um, you know,

590
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: so now we'll see this year how Matt Canada and

591
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: the offensive staff really feel. Here's what can he does well,

592
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: here's what we want to sort of stay away from.

593
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: You can build around him as opposed to building around

594
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Speaker 1: what you thought you were gonna do with mister Bisky, right,

595
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: because don't forget Rubisky. Right, there was this daughter right, yeah,

596
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: so you know, so you know, that's why despite I'm

597
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: sure a lot of Steelers fans thinking that Matt Canada

598
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: has to go, and I'm just going by what I read,

599
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, and what you see on social media, is

600
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, they probably feel okay, now Matt can start

601
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: with Kenny Pickett from day one makes sense and you

602
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: know we'll go from there. So it's funny though, because

603
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: they'd to week nine by and the first half of

604
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: the year was wasn't pretty young quarterbacks, very young offense,

605
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: very difficult schedule. We'll get beat bad by Buffalo and

606
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: Philly and really top teams, and Claypool gets traded. And

607
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: then they start doing a lot more twelve personnel and

608
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: dedicating to the run. So I feel like they the

609
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: second half of the season, they poured some concrete for

610
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: the foundation. You know, the windows aren't pretty yet and

611
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: need some pain yet. But you know, let me ask

612
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: you this question, how do you feel? Because I'm not

613
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: certain about this. I've taken some grief about up but

614
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: everything you say is based on my film study. Sure

615
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: you again doesn't make me right all the time, but

616
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's how I, you know, make my

617
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: my evaluations. Right, Um, do you think that nag Harris

618
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: can can be the foundation and starting point of their offense?

619
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Speaker 1: Do you think he's a good enough back to be

620
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: that a high volume runner who can keep you on track,

621
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Speaker 1: keep you sustaining, you know, put together a play action

622
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: pass game, you know, do you know in in in

623
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Speaker 1: some way be almost like and And this might have

624
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: a negative connotation, but this is kind of where you're going.

625
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Speaker 1: If you're gonna do this, be like the Titans were

626
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: right as as you were saying, right and make life.

627
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: He's you're on your quarterback. Right, Theoretically, he's not Derrick Henry.

628
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Speaker 1: I mean that's right, right, I mean, Henry's a special player.

629
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Speaker 1: He's probably in the whole of fame, um volume toughness.

630
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: I think he has a lot of untapped potential in

631
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: the passing game, right that you see in practice, but

632
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: you haven't seen in games as much. Protection. But the

633
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: biggest problem to me in the offense, aside from the

634
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: picket zones that he struggles in, is they're just not

635
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: explosive enough overall, right, and you're not going to get

636
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: that from him, you know, Like he's not gonna hender

637
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: your break off eighty Harris is not that kind of bad. Yeah,

638
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean I think he has the other stuff, but

639
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to help the big play problem.

640
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: I think he's more mid career Zeke Elliott where he's

641
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: gonna grind and gright. He's a grinder. He's a grinder

642
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: and a sustainer. And you know, ultimately, is that where

643
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: you want to start? I mean, look, obviously, when I

644
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: say start your offense, he's going to get the ball,

645
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, But the question is are you looking to

646
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: give him the ball? And these are just numbers, but

647
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: they're reflective of tactics, you know, are you looking to

648
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: give him the ball two hundred seventy two eighty times

649
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: or more like two hundred times? You know, there's a

650
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: big difference there, Yeah, you know, because he's not really

651
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: a high yards per carry back, right, No, I don't

652
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: think Bell when they had Levy on Bell a little more,

653
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: but he, I mean, Love didn't break off a bunch

654
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: of big runs though either Um there were more tens

655
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 1: and twenties. Yeah, he's never gonna break the seventies, right,

656
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: either one of them, you know, Right, so they're similar.

657
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just curious. I mean, I don't know

658
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: the answer. I'm leaning toward no, but you know, it

659
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: remains to be seen. You know. I think they've got

660
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: a pretty good receiving corps that I'm really you know,

661
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: I think they could have a pretty explosive pass game.

662
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm really curious to see with this offseason,

663
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: what they choose to do, you know, in terms of

664
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: building the offense. Because Pickens, to me, is complete. I

665
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: think Pickens can be a great receiver. You know, Deante Johnson,

666
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, because they signed him, right, yeah, he's locked up.

667
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: He's locked up. I mean, I think he's he's pretty

668
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: good receiver. I know, I guess he didn't score a touchdown.

669
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: Fantasy people are mad at him, you know. So, and

670
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: then the number three receiver would be who at this

671
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: point Austin and Anthony Miller friar Mouth maybe a name

672
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: to be added is a nice tight end. I mean,

673
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: I really liked Calvin Austin coming out of Memphis. I'm curious.

674
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: I guess that's what kind of a lost season for him.

675
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: But I mean I think he's he did like early

676
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: in camp, he flashed and you're like, oh, this could

677
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: be something. He's an explosive and then that foot injury

678
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: cropped up and he just he just never got over

679
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: and then he was on ir right for the year. Yeah,

680
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: I think he's an explosive kid. Yeah, to your your

681
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: point aside, though, running back whoever the ball carrier is

682
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: a side. I think they showed us in the second

683
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: half of the season. Again, let's pour the concrete. Let's

684
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: have something to to at least lean on. The defense

685
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: was on the field so much before that. They're eating,

686
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: they're winning the time possession battle, and I would imagine

687
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: the pendulum swings more and more Kenny, more and more Kenny,

688
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, as he learns, and I think he's capable.

689
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: Oh I agree, Yeah. I mean, you know, I had

690
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: this conversation with a coach who's been in the league

691
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: thirty years, and you know he does quarterbacks every year,

692
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, for his team, and you know, you could

693
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: make the argument he's not as gifted. But stylistically, Pickett

694
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: is like Joe Burr, Right, He's not that high ceiling. Right,

695
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: He's not. He's not. I mean, obviously burrow Is is

696
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: the highest level of that kind of quarterback. But you

697
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: know that's the way pick it plays style with which

698
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: he plays. Um. I actually had a great conversation with

699
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: someone who uh um, who's not coaching now but coaching

700
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: the league for years and years. An offensive guy, and

701
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: he thought that, for instance, C. J. Stroud and Kenny

702
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: Pickett were very very similar, you know. So, I mean

703
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: my next question is, how would you compare Picket to

704
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: this class? Yeah, pick it is. Pick It is a

705
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: is a pretty good traits quarterback. He just doesn't have

706
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, what people would consider a big arm. You know,

707
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: he's not a power thrower. He's not an explosive thrower.

708
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: He's not a twitchy thrower. No. No, I mean he's

709
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: very accurate, great pass. But that's exactly right. That would

710
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: be the one knock on on Burrow when he came out.

711
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: He wasn't really a power thrower. Um. You know. So

712
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: you know the question is pick it That kind of

713
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: quarterback needs to be a really subtle, nuanced, discipline kind

714
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: of player, and I think Picket can be that guy.

715
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: You know, It's a good guy to pattern yourself after. Yeah, yeah,

716
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: don't don't watch Josh Allen, table watch Josh Allen. You know,

717
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: although although Pickett has pretty good mobility better than I thought.

718
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: He's a lot twitchier, Yeah, quicker and straight out faster

719
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: than I remember. He really is. He really eludes rushers

720
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: extremely and he's pretty good sized kid. Yeah yeah, yeah,

721
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: So Matt mentioned this a little better. Reference this a

722
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: little bit. Their offensive line. What did you see from

723
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: their offensive line last year? Uh? And is that something?

724
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: Is that an area that you think that they still

725
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: need to add to in terms of started, I would

726
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: say probably, yeah. I think that's an area they probably

727
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: would look to improve for multiple reasons. Number one, if

728
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: they do want to run the ball, if they want

729
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: to lay that continue to lay that foundation. I think

730
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: you need to improve your online you know, I think

731
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: it needs to be better. Um. And also just for

732
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: past protection, because you want to work with pickets so

733
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: that he doesn't feel that he has to flee the pocket. Yeah,

734
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: you know you want him to feel, hey, this is

735
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: a really firm wall in front of me. I can

736
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: drop back, I can hit my back foot. If that

737
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: first read doesn't show right away, I don't. I don't

738
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: have to leave, you know, because he left a lot

739
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: when he didn't have to. You know, you want him

740
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: to feel really confident that hey, I can stay there,

741
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: I don't have to leave. But they averaged over the

742
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: second half of that season, as Matt said, one hundred

743
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: and forty seven rushing yards per game. Yeah, over the

744
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: second half of the season. Could you see I mean,

745
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: do you do you see them looking at that going, well,

746
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: if we we run these guys back, we're gonna be

747
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna be okay. There. They certainly could say that. Yeah,

748
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: death is an issue. Yeah, they were. They were very

749
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: healthy this past year. I mean, look, the one thing

750
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm not doing, and I'll be totally honest, is I'm

751
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: not charting each offensive line, you know. I mean I

752
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: don't know how they grade, you know, more left tackle.

753
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how they grade you know, certain players.

754
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: You know that I don't know. I mean when I

755
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: watch tape, do I notice that the positive of the negative? Yeah?

756
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: But I'm not sitting there on each play watching all

757
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: five offensive linemen, So I can't speak to that. Um,

758
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: you know. To me, it's more of a philosophy of

759
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: how do they want to play? Right? Right? What's your thumbnail?

760
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: On the defense? They have three stars you know when

761
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: Wat's right? Heyward menca right, how are you with you know?

762
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: Matching their zones and they don't blitz as much as

763
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: they used to, the play a little more. Man. They

764
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: need major upgrades at linebacker. I thought that's the weakest.

765
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: Are the second one. The reality is is, you know

766
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: here they had Bush who was a top ten pick,

767
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: and they signed Miles Jack and they're going backer who

768
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: played the most steps is Robert Spillane. So you know

769
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: they need upgrades at linebacker. About that last segment, but

770
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: Bush has clearly not been the guy. I mean, you know,

771
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: is he a free agent? Yeah? I don't think it

772
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: helped me back right, And it's Jack a free agent. No,

773
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: he's signed for They could get out of his deal

774
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: if they wants up as well, so they're gonna look different.

775
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: They need linebackers, whether you know they signed guys or

776
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: draft guys, they need major upgrade at the linebacker position. Um,

777
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: how do you you know? What's your view of the

778
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: corner position? I think that you know suttons of free

779
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: agents a free agent and that's big. Yeah, I think

780
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: that'll be definitely addressed in the draft. I don't know

781
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: how much. I don't know how much corners we've watched

782
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: this year, but they have the seventeenth pick corners yet,

783
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: but it looked like a really deep corner class. And

784
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: they have some premium picks. I bet they drafted outside

785
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: one of those top three picks, and it's up. They

786
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: have three picks in it's top forty nine. It's going

787
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: to be a corner. The two guys I keep seeing,

788
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't read. I don't read what

789
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: people think of guys. I just see the mocks, you know,

790
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: because I don't like to read anything until I look

791
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: at it myself, right, you know, But I've seen Gonzalez, Famara,

792
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: gun And and Witherspoon from Illinois. They probably won't be there,

793
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: you know. I guess someone like Kyley Ringo, who I've

794
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: done some work on, he could well be there. I

795
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: think it's everyone likes Joey Porter's kid. Of course him

796
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: yet either, um So I think, you know, it depends

797
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: on on um. You know, how you want to play.

798
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: You know, if you want to play a lot of man,

799
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: do you want to play more zone? Um? I actually

800
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: thought the kid did really well on the slot he.

801
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: I thought he was kind of a stabilizing force in

802
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: the secondary guy. I thought he played pretty well. Yeah,

803
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting build. They went more three safety

804
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: sets in the second half. Let say, yeah, KZ back

805
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: as well? Yea yea yeah? Is that something? Are you

806
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: seeing them more on the league has been big? Ye? Well,

807
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about three safeties when they're in in like

808
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: their sub you know, as a base almost base. Yeah. Yeah,

809
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: a lot of teams are doing that in the league.

810
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: They played big nickel Um and I mentioned the linebacker problem.

811
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: A guy with the tight ends that are athletic, you

812
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: get into safety instead of a linebacker. Yeah. Are you

813
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: seeing this trend on defense as much too? That? Hey,

814
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: we all loved Mike Hilton when he was here, But

815
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: the little slots seem to be getting phased out a

816
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: little bit. You're not seeing as many Welkers, You're not

817
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: as as you see Kittle, you see Kelsey, Angram, guys

818
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: like that. You know, Steelers tried Claypool in the slot.

819
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: I'd see more big slot receivers, which then means maybe

820
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: more well Brian Branches in this slot. You know Brian

821
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: Branch I've done. He's a really good prospect. That's his favorite,

822
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: really good prospect. I like him a lot. Yeah, you

823
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: know what, the way I'd answer that is, I think

824
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: you're seeing teams that are more multiple with their receiver location.

825
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: In other words, with very few exceptions, you're not seeing

826
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: a team say well, this guy's only our slot guy.

827
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: So what's happening is you're seeing receivers cover is just

828
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: outside receivers playing more in the slot now because teams

829
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: are being more multiple with their receiver locations. Okay, so

830
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: I remember the Bengals, just a green up in the slot.

831
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: We're starting to see now. So with very few exceptions,

832
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: you're you're not seeing, you know, a team just line

833
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: up one guy in the slot, you know, So you're

834
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: seeing much more of that. So you need more multiple

835
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: chess pieces on defense, right of course, just the way

836
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: the game's going. Sure, yeah, absolutely, well we will let

837
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Speaker 1: you go. We've taken up enough for your time. Our

838
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: guests has been great. Co sell from NFL Films appreciate

839
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: talking to you as we always do. Greg, you do

840
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: great stuff, and I know all of our listeners out

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Speaker 1: live coverage of the twenty twenty three NFL Combine on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm Dale Lally. He is

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and that was fun talking to Greg Coach there.

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Speaker 1: Always got my highlights of the week. Yeah, you get

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Speaker 1: giddy giddy Christmas alright. This week we're giving Steelers Nation

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Speaker 1: it out. Lots of other good videos on there as well.

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Speaker 1: Lots of stuff to see, and uh, I don't know

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Speaker 1: why if you're a Steelers fan you wouldn't be subscribing

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Speaker 1: to that YouTube channel, no question about it. A lot

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Speaker 1: of content out there audio stuff too this week. So Matt,

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Speaker 1: we were talking to Greg about where Kenny Pickett would

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Speaker 1: rank in this year's class when we've talked about it, right,

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Speaker 1: and I think I think he might have the number one.

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Speaker 1: I think he has them number one. And we had

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Speaker 1: a off the air conversation about the quarterbacks a little

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Speaker 1: bit too, and just a paraphrase, it was even say

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Speaker 1: he disliked the top four. There was just a lot

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Speaker 1: of questions said he wouldn't trade on any of Kenny Pickett, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean what we know about Picket right now. If

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Speaker 1: the Bears said we'll give you the first overall pick

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Speaker 1: for Picket, I think I'd say no, Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean I wouldn't catch any of

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Speaker 1: those quarterbacks. We've put a year into him. That's better

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Speaker 1: of it. With the NFL tape. Yeah, that's how full

879
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: of course, you know. I just think that there's a

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Speaker 1: lot there to like, and I know people get caught

881
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Speaker 1: up too much, caught up in the numbers. Well, he

882
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: only had seven touchdown passes and he had nine interceptions. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well let's go back and look at the interceptions, you know,

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00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: in the interceptions zone. Bother me I mean, he went

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00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: a very very long stretch where he did not throw

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Speaker 1: an interception, and it wasn't because he was dirting it

887
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: and super conservative. Again, they was making good decision fifty

888
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: four percent conversion rate on third downs in the second

889
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Speaker 1: half of the season. And I don't care who you're playing,

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Speaker 1: and you convert fifty four percent of your third downs

891
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: in the NFL, yeah, I get you play. You play

892
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. You know I'm playing. You're not Alabama playing,

893
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, Southern Utah. No. And people might even say, well,

894
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Speaker 1: the schedule is easier than the second half of the season.

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Speaker 1: It was, of course it was, but not only were

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Speaker 1: they fifty four for the year if you look or

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Speaker 1: for the second half of the year, but for the season.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's gonna fight me that the best

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Speaker 1: six teams in the league are the Bills, the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals, the Cowboys, the Eagles, and the Niners. They're

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Speaker 1: the only teams ahead of him for the year in

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Speaker 1: fourth and third down conversions. And we saw how ugly

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Speaker 1: it was to begin the season, and my first downs

904
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Speaker 1: were hard to come by. The six best teams in

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Speaker 1: the league are the only ones ahead you and third

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Speaker 1: d see, and that's to me, you know, when I

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Speaker 1: look at the offense, Okay, yeah, they were missing the

908
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Speaker 1: splash plays over the course of the season. They have

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Speaker 1: a lot of that, but they consistently moved the football

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Speaker 1: when Kenny Pickott became the quarterback, and some of it

911
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Speaker 1: was staying ahead of the chains. But there were some

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Speaker 1: other things that were very pick at centric where I'm

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Speaker 1: a picking on Ben but being able to pick up

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Speaker 1: two yards on third and two just as a plunge

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Speaker 1: or play breaks down and he scrambles for seven yards, slides,

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Speaker 1: gets out of bounds, whatever. But he converted a lot

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Speaker 1: of third and longs too, I mean with his arm,

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Speaker 1: you know, buying time or executing the play as it

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Speaker 1: was drawn up, hits fire mouth for nine yards on

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Speaker 1: third and eight. You know that happened routinely. But interesting

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Speaker 1: to note that Greg Cosell had both Kenny Pickett and

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Speaker 1: George as his number one guys at the wide receiver

923
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Speaker 1: and quarterback position. I didn't think that until he sat down, right,

924
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Speaker 1: because I have it in writing. I have the draft

925
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Speaker 1: guide stuff and his reports that he wrote out and

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Speaker 1: need to pick its number one and pickings the number one.

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Speaker 1: That's not a bad draft. Hall, No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: And that's I think you know, if you look at

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Speaker 1: the last two drafts and then what you're going to

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Speaker 1: add in this draft. I think you've said this before,

931
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Speaker 1: tons of STAPs. Yeah, you've got a bunch of snaps

932
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Speaker 1: already stockpiled with those young guys. Now you're going to

933
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Speaker 1: add to that nucleus with three more premium picks this year. Sure,

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Speaker 1: that's what makes this such an exciting draft. They're all

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Speaker 1: going to grow together. And yet you know, again, they're

936
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Speaker 1: only potentially losing three out of the mix. I mean,

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Speaker 1: your number two tight end is replaceable or you bring

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Speaker 1: back you know whatever I mean. But that doesn't rock

939
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Speaker 1: the boat anyway. You know, where defense, you could lose

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Speaker 1: five starters, you could lose four starters, and you might

941
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Speaker 1: bring them back, you might not. Where the offense, the

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Speaker 1: eleven guys that played the most, we're going to play them.

943
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Speaker 1: We're gonna be there. They're gonna get the Yeah, the

944
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: same same, you know, the snap distribution ideally is the

945
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: same or similar as you can gather. And I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you mentioned how giddy I get. I had ten more questions,

947
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Speaker 1: of course, and one of them was, I know you

948
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Speaker 1: liked pickings, Greg, but do you think he needs to

949
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Speaker 1: become a better separator? Well he kind of answered that

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Speaker 1: on his own. He goes, Pickens is complete. Yeah, he's there.

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Speaker 1: You know. I'm like, I thought he had a little

952
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: more work to do as a route runner, but I

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Speaker 1: you know better. So here's the thing. So you sent

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Speaker 1: me this and this was from five thirty eight. He

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00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: sent this to me, I believe last week that and

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Speaker 1: they had Deonte Johnson as their number one receiver in

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Speaker 1: terms of getting open separatory number one, and I think

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00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: he was third last year. They've done this for two years.

959
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: It's a new new thing that they do. And they

960
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: used next gen stats for this. So these aren't This

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00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: isn't them just watching us and oh he's really good

962
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: at this. No, this is them using the computer analytics. Right.

963
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: This is stuff like that Cynthia worked on a lot too.

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00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: Is I have two yards of separation that counts is open?

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00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: You know? However they decided and you know, my shoulder

966
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: pad to your shoulder pad. I mean, this is this

967
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: isn't The players all have a little trackers in their

968
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: uniforms right days. Yeah, all of them so this isn't

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00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: again I'm I picking on Pro Bowl focused, but it's

970
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: not like someone's in they're going, oh, this is a

971
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,959
Speaker 1: good play check, this is you beat this parameter. So

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00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: you get to you know, the nod. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 1: the best. He was the best. Number one they had

974
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Speaker 1: Pickens number one in terms of making contested catches. Yeah,

975
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: best at the catch point they think, is how they

976
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: described it. So he had more work to do as

977
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: a separator. Johnson had more work to do with the

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00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: catch point. But they were the best. I mean positions league,

979
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: you know Tyreek and Jefferson and Chase and I mean

980
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: the league is loaded with receivers right now. F I

981
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: removed they if you just do tight ends, he was

982
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: like tenth overall two and trending the right way. Yeah,

983
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: you know, so the pieces are there. Pieces are there,

984
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: And I forgot Gregor really like Calvin Austin too. I

985
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: remember him really raving about him. Liked him as an

986
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: outside guy, ability to get off press things people don't

987
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: think about from a little receiver. Yeah. So I'm very

988
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: intrigued about what this offense could be in twenty twenty three.

989
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm not or how to go about doing it. I'd

990
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: love that one more pass catcher, you know, either a

991
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: big slot or a tight end. I keep going back

992
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: to the tight end classes because I love the class

993
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: so much. Okay, so the last two preseasons training camps,

994
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: we've seen them kind of use Anthony McFarland. Oh yeah, yeah,

995
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: a little bit in the slot. Yeah, we've seen him

996
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: on the field at the same time as Nagi Harris.

997
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: Are you are you ready to revisit that this year.

998
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting because he's I'm guilty of this. He's been

999
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: a little out of sight, out of mind. When I

1000
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: think about that third back spot and Snell's a free agent,

1001
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't think about him as much as the one

1002
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: game he played last year when when Nazi hear nos

1003
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: Jalm Warren was hurt, right, and so he they used him.

1004
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: They used him like he just he wasn't just active

1005
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: on game day and they said, okay, you're in uniform,

1006
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: but we're not gonna use you. They used him. I

1007
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: think he had two catches for eleven yards and like

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00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: six carries for what you know, some yards, and what

1009
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: I noticed in the preseason. Harder to tell at camp

1010
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: for running back because they're not tackling to the ground

1011
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: as much less dancing understanding at the NFL level, If

1012
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: it's blocked for three and I get four, that's fine.

1013
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: I don't have to hit a forty years look for

1014
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: the home running Friday, right, And the other thing at

1015
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: camp that was very noticeable. They really any of the

1016
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: Steeler linebackers, he's whipping them on wheel routes down down

1017
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Speaker 1: the field, you know, twenty five yards down the field.

1018
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: You know when I say explosives that they don't have

1019
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: to be eighty yarders. I mean if he does one

1020
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Speaker 1: of he gets one big play a game or one

1021
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: big play every two games, right, that alleviates some of

1022
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: that issue. I don't know. I assume special teams didn't

1023
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: help his cause on that was Benny Snell was such

1024
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: a better pre special team player than he was and

1025
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Speaker 1: you know, Jaylem Warren is kind of developing into that role,

1026
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: but he wasn't there yet. He was a rookie. But

1027
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you Snell's inactive, then you're stealing one

1028
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: of Danny smith starter, right, right. I mean he was

1029
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: at the top of the team and snaps paid on

1030
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Speaker 1: special teams. So that's the way the world works. You know,

1031
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Speaker 1: but McFarland's gonna have to overcome that too because they're

1032
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: gonna be other core special teamers. So you know the

1033
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Speaker 1: question then you have with McFarlands, and maybe to a

1034
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Speaker 1: certain degree Calvin Austin, can one of them be the

1035
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Speaker 1: kick return guy as I was thinking, or maybe they

1036
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Speaker 1: one's punt, one's kickoff, you know, or whatever that would

1037
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Speaker 1: help their cause for sure, And you mentioned it too.

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00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean you saw they just reached to both of

1039
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Speaker 1: them on jet sweeps and handing the ball when they're

1040
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: already moving and things like that would work for both

1041
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: those guys. Well, yeah, I mean they've they've both got

1042
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Speaker 1: beep beep speed. Absolutely interesting that we'll see what some

1043
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: of the explosive remedies are already in house. Yeah, right,

1044
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: so we'll see Steeler fans. The Steelers media platforms are

1045
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Speaker 1: loaded with great Steelers Combine content all week long. Visit

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1047
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Speaker 1: Combine workout highlights on current Steelers for you to check out.

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Speaker 1: That's this week on the Steelers media platforms. He is

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lalley. You're listening to the Drive.

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