1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio, Are 2 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: with a Hard, are a vast and Ahoy, fellow Ridiculous Historians, 3 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Today, we're diving into piracy. I 4 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: guess diving is an accidental pun. There. Hi, my name 5 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: is Bent, my name is no Do. We're pirates known 6 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: for their diving skills. Well, they were maritime, you know, 7 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: I would I would think they would go to a 8 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: great length to stay as dry as possible. They were 9 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: known for their non consensual diving skills when they had 10 00:00:53,280 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: to walk the plank. I'm sorry bad. I felt bad 11 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: about that, and now it's very true. I feel I 12 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: think we all feel bad about that, but we feel 13 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: great about our super producer. Give it up for Casey Pegram. Now, 14 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: none of us here in the studio, and hopefully none 15 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: of you have been involved in acts of I R 16 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: L piracy. Let's be honest. It is twenty nineteen and 17 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: in these our modern days, many people are digitally pirating things. Yeah, 18 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: I was about to say, I think we've all probably 19 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: downloaded a torrent or two in our day. We're not 20 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: advocating that here, but you may remember that very pointed 21 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: trailer where I told you about how piracy does hurt people. 22 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: You wouldn't download a car, which you wouldn't download a car. 23 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: That's where you wouldn't steal a car. That's right. Um, 24 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: so we're not talking about that kind of piracy. We're 25 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: talking about a much much more brazen form of piracy. 26 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: And I want to start the show off by talking 27 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: about the fact that in this age of political correctness 28 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: and you know, people getting canceled, why aren't people talking 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: more about how pirates probably aren't the best role model 30 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: for little kids. You know, you still can buy pirate 31 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: hats and you know, pirate swords and little eye patches 32 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: with the jolly Roger on his sports team. Sports Team. 33 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: It's a lego set, you know, it's a it's a 34 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: series of lego sets. It's a series sets. It's a 35 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: kid's cartoon. Remember the Pirates of Dark Water, remember yeah, 36 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: oh deep cut. I loved it. I loved it. I 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: like to do. They were sort of like future pirates. 38 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: They were steams apocalyptic sci fi pirates. You know, Uh, 39 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: it's it's funny, Casey. You were mentioning that off the 40 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: air as well. You specifically said, aren't pirates due to 41 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 1: get canceled, which I thought was a great point. Man. 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: It just seems like they get up to a lot 43 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: of stuff that's not so great, you know, the lowest 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: of hijinks. So nowadays we romanticize pirates. However, this was 45 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: not always the case, and we should point out now 46 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: that there are active pirates existing around the world right 47 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: some based in Smalley, some based off different coasts, and 48 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: these folks are not romanticized. But we have in our 49 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: collective brains we have this idealized, romanticized concept of a pirate, 50 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: a swash buckler, you know what I mean, A lovable rogue. 51 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: This romanticization begins in three It's weird because we can 52 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: pinpoint the exact moment where it began. It began arguably 53 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: with Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson. So Treasure Island 54 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: comes out, and you guys remember Treasure Island, right, of course, 55 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: swashbuckling adventures on the high seas, I believe long John 56 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: John Silver, you know, all of the kind of like 57 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: tropes of pirate nous were sort of solidified in that 58 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: one book, and then it was taken and run with 59 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: and everything from the Pirates of Dark Water to the 60 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: Disney Treasure Island to Everything Caribbean. Who knew that would work. 61 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: It's a film franchise based on a ride, and I'll 62 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: admit the ride is pretty dope, but it you know, 63 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: when you're a kid, But it's it's problematic. It is definitely, 64 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: as you guys said, romanticizing things. But yeah, Treasure Islands 65 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: has this tremendous influence on how we think of pirates today. 66 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: It includes all those things that we consider cliches or 67 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: mandatory parts of a pirate story, Treasure maps that have 68 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: an X on the spot, one legged sailors who have 69 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: a trusty parrot, you know what I mean, all the hits, 70 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: all the all that slow cool jazz. But if we 71 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: look at real pirates, we see a lot of dissonance 72 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: between what they actually were and what Hollywood would have 73 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: us believe when we engage with things like talk like 74 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: a Pirate Day or watching Pirates of the Caribbean nineteen 75 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: or whatever, whichever, when they're on how far are they 76 00:04:55,080 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: into that? How many? How many? Johnny Depp got canceled briefly? Uh, 77 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: and I think he's okay. Now, I can't remember because 78 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: I think it maybe turned out that his estranged wife 79 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: was actually being abusive towards him. I saw that pop 80 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: up in the press and then it kind of went away. 81 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: So that's yet to be determined. I know he's not 82 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: in the next one, but they're doing it without him. 83 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: They're doing it without him. Are they just gonna get 84 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: Keith Stewart to do it? I'm not you mean Keith 85 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: Richards that's the one. Yeah, one of the Keiths, one 86 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: of the keith I'm not discriminatory when it comes to Keith. 87 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: That's good a guy, Dame Keith and there. Give him 88 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: some dreadlocks. Put him in the film. Yeah, just kind 89 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: of prop him up with the bottle of rum. Is 90 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: Keith Stewart a famous proser or? That's just I think 91 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: that's the guy who went to my high school. It's possible, 92 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: kind of a Keith Richard's vie. I don't know any 93 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: famous Stewarts except for John Stewart, Rod Stewart. Okay, well 94 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: you got me there. He did not go to high school. 95 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: But but yeah, yeah, it's amazing this kind of this 96 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: kind of vision, this pop culture phenomenon exists. But we 97 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: can we can set the stage for today's show by 98 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: looking at a pirate fact versus pirate fiction. For things, First, 99 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: the life of a pirate was grim. They were ruthless. 100 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: This was a time of homicide. This was a time 101 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: of murder. If you think of Captain Jack Sparrow realized 102 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: in real life he could have never become the captain 103 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: of a pirate ship. He would have been killed by 104 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: his crew. Was it for wearing eyeshad him? I think 105 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: it was less less the the coal liner and more 106 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: the profound commitment to running away, because pirates didn't run away. 107 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: If anything, they ran towards things, right, That's what they 108 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: That's what they had to do. You know, they had 109 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: to They had to capture these ships. We know that 110 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: the most famous pirates were probably not the most successful 111 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: as well. We also see this whole Barry treasure thing. 112 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: You know, it probably happened several times, but it was 113 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: not common. It was not normal. These guys. Pirates didn't 114 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: live super long. They weren't like long term thinking, you 115 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like one of the guys 116 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: selling drugs and the wire is not wondering about what 117 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna do when he's eighty, because he doesn't think 118 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: he'll make it. There only here's the thing, man, Some 119 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: pirates did kind of live the equivalent of a Twilight 120 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: Years retiring to Florida kind of situation. Didn't that they did? 121 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: They did nail on the head. This is something that 122 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: the three of us recently found out about because we're 123 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: all right, we we understand that Hollywood doesn't depict a 124 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: lot of the truths about pirates, like the whole walking 125 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: the plank thing are and I made ee those are 126 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: those are kind of Hollywood creations. But some pirates did 127 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: make it. Some pirates did, as you say, no have 128 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: a retirement plan. There is a small island off the 129 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: coast of Madagascar that we call Nosy Barraja today. Weird, 130 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: it's weird. It's a weird one. Uh. In the past 131 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: it was known as the Saint Mariy Casey, could could 132 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: you help us out with that? Yeah, you'll sat Mari 133 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: That sounds about right, Casey, and Ben on the case 134 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: whoa And I think I appreciate that, Ben, but you 135 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: nailed it in the first place. We just got a 136 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: little bit of confirmation from our resident what do you 137 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: call him? A francophone casey Pegram casey Pegram, the man 138 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: the myth the legend. And speaking of men, myths and legends, 139 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: there was in the Indian Ocean again, just off the 140 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: coast of Madagascar, a real life pirate paradise. Yeah when 141 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: about in the neighborhood of a thousand pirates weren't out pirrating, 142 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: they can't. This was kind of their summer home, you know, 143 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: they're off season paradise. There was a map from seventeen 144 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: thirty three that was discovered um of this area and 145 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: it was simply headed with the Island of Pirates. It 146 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: is near the East Indies trade route, very very centrally 147 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: located to where these folks would have been pillaging and 148 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: pirating and looting and raping their way across the high 149 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: seas um. It was very convenient and it was the 150 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: perfect place too. It was it was like a real 151 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: life treasure island in fury anyway, right because it was 152 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: perfect tucked away location where they could hide all of 153 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: their ill gotten booty. I like saying booty right right. Yeah. 154 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: Since pirate named Adam bald Ridge started making that his 155 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: base in sixte this became a home away from home, 156 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: or in some cases a legit first home for a 157 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: lot of pirates and it went on until seventeen nineteen 158 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: with a pirate named John pro. There were multiple reasons 159 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: for this tiny island to be attractive to pirates. They 160 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: first off enjoyed proximity to multiple trading routes. You know 161 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: what I mean this, Uh ships would be turning from 162 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: the East Indies with precious goods, uh fine fine clothing, 163 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: spices and so on. And then it had a bunch 164 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: of bays and inlets that were protected geographically from storms. 165 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: It was situated in quiet, easy water. It had tons 166 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: of fruit. You could just live off the land if 167 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: you had to. And so a bunch of or make 168 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: their own rum or make their own rum. Oh that's 169 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: probably more important than the fruit. That was a big 170 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: That was a biggie, I think, yeah, I think you're right. 171 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: And they lived in these little huts, right, They were 172 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: like little wooden huts, and each one was marked with 173 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: an emblem or one of you know, the pirate the 174 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: ubiquitous pirate flags, which presumably would have been different designs 175 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: for the different crews that were under serving under these 176 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: different captains. And also wouldn't you think, man, that some 177 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: of these factions wouldn't necessarily would be like vying for 178 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: the same stuff. Like there wasn't necessarily like an overall 179 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: brotherhood of pirates. To my understanding, it was sort of 180 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: like every man, every crew for themselves kind of situation. 181 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: And yet they managed to coexist on this island. That's true. 182 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: Quite a few of them managed to coexist, So maybe 183 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: they had kind of a truce situation. But we're talking 184 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: legendary real pirates. William Kidd, Robert Culifford, Henry Avery, Abraham, 185 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: Samuel Thomas too, and so on. The island had a 186 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,119 Speaker 1: main town called em Booty Potatra, which is a mouthful. 187 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: And they also had family here, you know, they met, 188 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: they met women who were native to the area, and 189 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: they had children, and they evolved this sort of um, 190 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: non criminal lifestyle. But they took a bunch of stuff 191 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: with them. So the island today remains allegedly home to 192 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: massive amounts of missing loot or as your prefernal booty 193 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: booty booty hard t So uh, we're talking gold, We're 194 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: talking coins, works of art, religious artifacts, precious stones, and 195 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: legend has it that the treasure of William Kidd is 196 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,239 Speaker 1: still buried somewhere in this pirate island in the bay 197 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: near the main town, and people have been hunting around 198 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: this area for buried treasure for decades and decades and 199 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: decades and decades. But one thing that really fascinated us 200 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: was the culture that sprang up on this island, particularly 201 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: that there is an actual pirate cemetery. That's nuts. There's 202 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: actually there there, you know, like the whole nine there tombstones, 203 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: they're weird messages and codes and skulls and there's actually 204 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: there's skulls inscribed on the tombstones and that whole Jolly 205 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: Roger imagery. Yes, so it's not a huge one. It's 206 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: on a hill um shaded by palm trees and it 207 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: overlooks the ocean and uh, it's pretty small. Only about 208 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: thirty real life I r L. Pirates are buried there, 209 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: and they were buried there because they were residents of 210 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: this island. This was their home away from their home 211 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: on the high Seas, I guess. And you can still 212 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: go visit this site today. Yeah, yeah, you can go 213 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: towur it the same way that you could see another 214 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: local attraction. It's only about it's three or four dollars 215 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:36,119 Speaker 1: to go us. There's a small pathway behind this long 216 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: way wall which is south of the capital, and signs 217 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: from there will lead you to the cemetery. There's a 218 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: small hut where you can pay your entrance fee and 219 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: you can learn more about the pirates that are buried 220 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: in the in the area, and then you can walk 221 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: over to uh St Pierre. The problem is that over 222 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: the years, surprise, surprise, uh not, a lot of people 223 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: have put time into taking care of the gravestones and 224 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: the grave site. So a lot of a lot of 225 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: graves and crips were damaged because because of a very 226 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: understandable crime. I have to say, guys, if I grew 227 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: up in this area, or if I were interested in 228 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: in being around pirates and finding their treasure, I would 229 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: totally mess with their graves because I would figure they 230 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: would be buried with their stuff, because again I have 231 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: like a goonies level understanding of real pirates. Yeah, yeah, 232 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: you have to be fair. That's probably one of the 233 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: more historically accurate pirate films. It's out there right right right, good. 234 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: Mine was Peppy long Stocking or PEPPI Longstocking. She was 235 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: she a pirate, She wasn't a she was on a 236 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: pirate ship. There was a pirate I believe. I believe 237 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: she served under some sort of pirate and she had 238 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: a monkey, right I think so, you know, I mainly 239 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: remember her hair h but it's it's true, though, this 240 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: is one of the misconceptions that's leading to um pretty 241 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: serious damage to this real life pirate cemetery. Pirates didn't again, 242 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: they didn't really bury treasure. It could happen, but it 243 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: was not commonplace. Instead, just imagine if you listening and 244 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: Casey and Noel and I are are all together and 245 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: we're we're pirates, were sailing the high seas, and we 246 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: rob a ship and we get our booty with the 247 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: hard tea, then we're gonna keep it on this ship 248 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: and then later we'll divide it up amongst ourselves. Again, 249 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: this idea buried treasure comes from Treasure Island, and the 250 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: X marks the spot. The whole nine largely fictive. The 251 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: only person we know for sure to bury anything was 252 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: Captain Kidd, and the entire reason he buried his treasure 253 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: was to keep it away from the governor of New York. 254 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: He buried it outside of New York. I don't know, 255 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: like Yonkers or something. I'm kidding. He didn't do it 256 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: in yours. So one of the I don't know, slightly 257 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: more well known, certainly not as well than as Billy 258 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: the kid pirates that was laid to rest in this 259 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: graveyard and spent a lot of time on this island 260 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: was a French Corsair by the name of Olivier Lavasier 261 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: um or a k a. La Bush, La Bush, La 262 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: Bush casey. Can we get a sound effect for that? 263 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: Of course, that means the mouth. I don't know if 264 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: he has some sort of weird snaggle tooth kind of 265 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: situation going on, or if he just talked too much. Um. 266 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: But apparently dead men tell no tales. But here's the thing, 267 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: La Bush did tell tales after his his passing in 268 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: the form of a cipher. I know you're a fan 269 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: of a good cipher. We're not talking about a freestyle rap, then, 270 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: are we know? But fun fact, I am actually very 271 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: scarily good at freestyling. Uh yeah, we're talking about a 272 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: cipher is in a code. So he's executed in seventeen 273 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: thirty for his many, many, many many crimes as a scallywag, 274 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: a buccaneer and so on. But apparently, moments before his execution, 275 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: he yelled find my treasure the one who may understand 276 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: it and hurled a necklace into the crowd. And this 277 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: necklace had sort of a note, but it was actually 278 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: a cipher. Is a seventeen line coded message and you 279 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: can see you can see um photographs of this cipher 280 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: on a great article by Magellan Times. The cipher itself 281 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: remain it's unsolved today, right, No one's cracked it. I 282 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: believe that's true, and not not that I wasn't attempted, 283 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: because maybe it's just maybe no one's figured it out. Yeah. 284 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: I mean on the same article there is like a 285 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: key with some of the little symbols and what are 286 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: they represent? But obviously it didn't do the trick, and 287 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: not for nothing people have been trying to find this 288 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: for such a long time. There's a guy named Barry 289 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: Clifford who is a real life treasure hunter and somewhat 290 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: successful too. That that's nuts to me. Do you guys 291 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: think about that? Like, we're here in our podcast studio 292 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: and we're we're having a lovely time making shows and 293 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: exploring these stories. But this guy is actually out hunting treasure. 294 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: I gotta say, if I had to pick another job, 295 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: no offense to you guys, But I would totally be 296 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: a treasure hunter. Would you guys be in like if 297 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: we had a chance of finding treasure like Steve Zesue style. Yes, 298 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: well he was more like a naturalist figure. Um, but yeah, 299 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: I'd be down, especially if you knew a good area 300 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: to look. Where might that be. It's almost as that 301 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: we've been talking about what might have been a hotbed 302 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: of pirate activity and boggles the boggles the mind, and 303 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: if boggled Barry Clifford's mind to the point where he decided, 304 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: surely there are remnants of sunken pirate galleys. Uh, and 305 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: all of the accompanying booty littered throughout Saint Marie. Um. 306 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: He told the Daily Mail in that pirates had more 307 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: money than they could spend in ten lifetimes. So surely 308 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: there's stuff squirreled away in these little lagoons or you know, 309 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: in caves or what have you. Right, Yeah, so surely 310 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: he must have had complete success and he is now 311 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: a very wealthy man. Right he changed his name to 312 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos. No. Uh, he goes on and he says, 313 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you know, back in the day, if 314 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: you were a pirate, h this islands where you would go, 315 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: it's where all the pirates hung out. Is this guy 316 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: so haggard sounding? He's lived a hard life, you know 317 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: what I mean. He doesn't wear sunscreen, so that's the secret. 318 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: It's very apparently, it's very bad for your throat not 319 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: to wear sunscreen. But he has been exploring the island 320 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: for almost well more than twenty years, and during this 321 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: time he's found thirteen separate distinct shipwrecks. And you can 322 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: see you can see photos, um, you can see some 323 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: of the stuff that he's that he's extracted from these 324 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: crash sites or these uh oh, some of these ships 325 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: were probably scuttled too, if their damage was too great. 326 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: And I know you love that word scuttle, but scuttle 327 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: but would be rumors? Did you say scuttled, but I 328 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: said scuttled. Some of these ships were scuttled. I know 329 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: that's one of your favorite words. It is, but it 330 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: would have been funny if you had said, I know, 331 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: some of these ships were scuttled, but it would have 332 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: been the jokes. That would have been everybody who's seen 333 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: Hunger Games, go ahead, kiss your fingers, do the what what? 334 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: What was that motion? Oh? That that's I always thought of. 335 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: That is sort of like a badass like sign off, 336 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: like amount yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think both of 337 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: us have done that in social situations before. But anyway, Yes, 338 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: he has not found treasure. Clifford has not. He has, however, 339 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: found religious artifacts. He's found ships, of course, some pieces 340 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: of ships. Uh. One of his big one of his 341 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: big recoveries was an early statue of Jesus Christ from 342 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: the thirteen or four century. So, who knows whether you 343 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: have a dream job or something that's just sort of 344 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: a means to an end right now, maybe a career 345 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: in treasure hunting is for you. It takes some dedication 346 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: and it sounds like it takes a lot of overhead, 347 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: but I would personally love it. I would love it 348 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: if someone listening now actually found buried treasure, you know 349 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: what I mean, because even we know it was super unusual. No, 350 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: it's largely a myth, but that doesn't mean it's totally 351 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: a myth. The treasures out there right also hashtag no 352 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: oak Island, remind me about oak Island again? Man, the 353 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: Oak Island money pit. We did a show on this 354 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: for stuff they don't want you to know, and the 355 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: Oak Island Money Pit in Nova Scotia is thought to 356 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: be a site of largely unrecovered buried treasure. Now this 357 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: has also become a reality show phenomenon, so the producers 358 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: got involved and now you will see all kinds of 359 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: here you go scuttle butt about about what's actually in 360 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: the ground there. Thanks for doing that for me, Ben, 361 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: hey man, I got your back. So some things have 362 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: been carbon dated. Some people have claimed that they found something, 363 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: but they haven't found any significant treasure. The thing is, 364 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: there are real buried treasures out there, and I would 365 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: I would love to be a part of finding one. 366 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: So you know, hit us up, Hit us up on 367 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians if you have a If you have a 368 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: pitch for a likely site of buried treasure, you can 369 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: find us on Facebook where we are Ridiculous Historians. It's 370 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: a group that we have you might have heard of 371 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: a time or two. We we tend to mention it. 372 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: You can join just simply by saying Ben in my name, 373 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: in the same way you might summon a genie in 374 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: some sort of secret cave. And of course there you 375 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,719 Speaker 1: will also see our good friends super producer Casey Pegram 376 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: and Christopher Hasiotis, among others. You know, I noticed some 377 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: of our coworkers are sort of stealth hanging out on 378 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: that page. Have you seen that? Totally a lot of Larkin. 379 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram. If 380 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: you want to get a peek behind the curtain, you 381 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: can follow You can follow us on our personal instagrams. 382 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: I am at Ben Bolan, I am at Embryonic Insider 383 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: and um Big. Thanks to super producer Casey Pegram. As 384 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: always thanks to Alex Williams who composed our theme. Thanks 385 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: to our here in spirit uh cohort Christopher Hasiotis, um 386 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: who is one day You're gonna see the light about 387 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: how how amazing a movie man he is? And let 388 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: us know about your favorite pirate throughout history And let 389 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: me know, was pity long stalking a pirate? I don't know. 390 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: I forget it was a long time ago. We'll see 391 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: you next time, Folix. For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, 392 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever 393 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.