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Speaker 1: the Bengals with draft guru Dane Brugler from The Athletic

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Speaker 1: by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest

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Speaker 1: thing since. Sam Hubbard, the Bengals defensive end, announced his

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Speaker 1: retirement on Wednesday after a great seven year run with

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Speaker 1: his hometown team. The Bengals struck gold when they drafted

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Speaker 1: him in the third round in twenty eighteen. Sam was

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Speaker 1: a productive and durable player, a universally respected team leader

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Speaker 1: and a tremendous ambassador for the franchise, twice, being nominated

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Speaker 1: for the Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year Award

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Speaker 1: for his charitable efforts in the community. Sam is also

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Speaker 1: responsible for two of the most important plays in franchise history. First,

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Speaker 1: a red zone sack of Patrick Mahomes in the final

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Speaker 1: minute of regulation in the AFC Championship game that forced

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Speaker 1: Kansas City to settle for an overtime forcing field goal.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals then won the game in ot to advance

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, and one year later, what I

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Speaker 1: would consider to be the most iconic play in Bengals history,

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Speaker 1: the fumble in the Jungle. Here's how those plays sounded

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Speaker 1: on the race, plus a memorable moment that happened ten

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Speaker 1: days before Christmas last year.

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Speaker 2: On third and goal from.

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Speaker 3: The nile, Mahomes catches the shotgun snap, retreats back to

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Speaker 3: the eighteen. Looking around in the end zone, nobody opened,

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Speaker 3: yet no pressure at all. Now Here comes the rush

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Speaker 4: The twenty times they lose it at all.

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs fall on it at the twenty six, and

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Speaker 3: this makes it a much more difficult field goal try.

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Speaker 3: It will be a forty four yarder with all sorts

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Speaker 3: of pressure on Harrison.

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Speaker 5: Butker, I'll tell you what. They rushed three and dropped eight.

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Speaker 5: They blanketed everybody. Sam Hubbard forced the funnel.

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Speaker 2: Jane Tooney recovered it. Huber loss of seventeen.

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Speaker 5: How about back to back snaps by Sam Hubbard. I

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Speaker 5: mean he makes the play on second down, makes the

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Speaker 5: play on third down. About the Moller High School house,

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Speaker 5: state product, local kid in just making huge.

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Speaker 3: Plays third down and goal. The line hand sticks the

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Speaker 3: ball out. The Bengals have the ball. They are running

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Speaker 3: it back, Sam Hubbard.

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Speaker 6: We had blockers behind him, Hubbard of the Ravens forty,

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Speaker 6: the thirty, the twenty, the ten, the Bob touchdown Bengals

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Speaker 2: It got poked away.

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Speaker 6: Sam Hubbard scooped it up and ran the length of

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Speaker 5: He tried to pull at Trevor Lawrence and the Bengals

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Speaker 5: said no.

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Speaker 4: They slapped it.

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Speaker 6: Out of there.

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Speaker 3: Logan Wilson punched the ball out of the hands of

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Speaker 5: And right into the hands of Sam Hubbard and boy

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Speaker 5: Logan Wilson others.

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Speaker 4: Everybody was swarming it at at.

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Speaker 5: That football and Sam Hubbard says, I'll take it to

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Speaker 5: the house. And boy who threw the block for Sam

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Speaker 5: Hubbard down the football field his escorts service. Final block

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Speaker 3: Burrow fakes a handoff, throws a pass Sam.

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Speaker 6: Hubbard fake with the catch, Saton touchdown Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Sam Hubbard raising.

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Speaker 6: The football over his head and spiking at Gronk style

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Speaker 4: Sam Hubbard started his career at Mowler High School.

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Speaker 5: Is a tight end, Sam Hubbard is an athlete, Sam Hubbard.

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Speaker 4: That's a great fingertip catch.

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Speaker 1: Sam actually suffered a season ending knee injury on that play,

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Speaker 1: final at bat. Coming up later on the podcast of

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Speaker 1: fun Facts Flashback, as Sam discusses the thrill of playing

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Speaker 1: If ESPN's mel Kiper was the first person to become

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Speaker 1: doing it now, in my opinion, is Dane Brugler from

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Speaker 1: The Athletic. His annual draft guide, The Beast, annually contains

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Speaker 1: more than four hundred in depth player profiles. I caught

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Speaker 1: up with Dane at the NFL Scouting Combine dayan. The

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Speaker 1: Bengals need to address their defensive line. I keep hearing

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Speaker 1: from various draft gurus, and I have you at the

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Speaker 1: top of the list that it's a good defensive line draft.

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Speaker 7: Is that the case, There's no doubt, and I think

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Speaker 7: it's true in the first round, it's true once you

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Speaker 7: both on the edge and on the interior. So and

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Speaker 7: there's different styles, different types, different sizes. Like I think

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Speaker 7: there is a little bit of everything depending on what

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Speaker 7: proven production, you know, there's that guy in this draft.

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Speaker 7: That's got all the time cools, that's in this draft

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Speaker 7: Every team's going to stack their boards a little bit

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Speaker 7: differently with this defensive line class, where some teams are

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Speaker 7: gonna look at the promise of a Michel Williams from

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Speaker 7: Georgia and say they they don't make them like that

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Speaker 7: and we've got something where other teams might look at

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Speaker 8: You know, like that, we like him.

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Speaker 7: That's a little rich for us because he's a little

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Speaker 7: I think teams are going to be all over the

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Speaker 7: And part of it is because of what I just said.

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Speaker 7: There's so many of them, there's so many different types.

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Speaker 1: Glad you mentioned Williams because on your first mock draft

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Speaker 1: you had Cincinnati selecting him number seventeen overall, so obviously

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Speaker 1: would be a good match. They need somebody to rush

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, he could go top ten.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't be surprised, because again, he's just a freaky,

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Speaker 7: And I don't want to make it sound like he's

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Speaker 7: want someone that's going to be able to come in

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Speaker 8: He just he was hurt. He was banged up this year.

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Speaker 7: You know, he the ankle injury played him throughout the

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Speaker 7: entire year. But I would say, just watch the Texas tape.

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Speaker 7: Watch what he does against a pretty good offensive line,

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Speaker 7: and you see the talent and it's not just I'm bigger,

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Speaker 8: I'm just it's not just quicker than you.

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Speaker 7: He showed a better understanding this year of you know,

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Speaker 7: using the length of his advantage. So he's leveraging the

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Speaker 7: point of attack, plays very well against the run, different

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Speaker 7: So he's you know there's progression there. It's not just

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Speaker 7: So I think with Michel Williams, it's a little bit

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Speaker 1: We're talking draft with Dame Bugler from the Athletic let's

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Speaker 1: focus in on the defensive tackles a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: assume Mason Graham will be long gone by the time

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about some of the other guys that

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Speaker 1: Oregon who stands out in that group from guys that

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Speaker 7: I really like Derek Harmon, you know, Michigan State transfer

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Speaker 7: went to Oregon. He's he's really disruptive. I mean you

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Speaker 7: think about interior pressure. Nobody pressured created more pressure from

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Speaker 7: he was the first defensive tackle drafted last year. I think,

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Speaker 7: what's sixteen overall by the Seahawks. So Harmon is kind

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Speaker 7: with power. He can win with his quickness through the gaps.

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Speaker 7: You know, there's there's a lot to like there with Harmon,

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Speaker 7: Derek Carmon in that mix. I'm a big Tyley Williams

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Speaker 7: doesn't necessarily look like it, you know, like he doesn't

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Speaker 7: which he's so good with his eye.

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Speaker 8: And you know there's a lot of those guys in

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Speaker 7: And Alfred Collins from Texas I would throw in that

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Speaker 7: good luck running at him because he is going to

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Speaker 7: clog things up, just like you know, Tallier Williams does

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Speaker 7: better range. Walter Nolan, he's your one gap penetrator, classic,

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Speaker 7: gonna win with quickness. Some stuff that he's you know,

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Speaker 7: they need to figure out with him, just making sure

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Speaker 7: they get the best version of him. It's, you know,

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Speaker 7: the nicest way to say it, but you know, he's

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Speaker 7: there's a lot to like about him because again he

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Speaker 7: can create that interior disruption and it's it's harder to

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Speaker 7: find those guys.

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Speaker 2: Let's move to edge guys that could be there.

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Speaker 1: Mike Green from Marshall, Shamar Stewart from Texas A and

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Speaker 1: m James Pierce from Tennessee. The Boston College Kid as

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Speaker 8: And on day three Anthony Belton from Enci State.

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Speaker 1: Some soundse Have you studied Luke Candra from the University

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Speaker 8: So every case is different.

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Speaker 8: You know it didn't work out.

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Speaker 7: Titan said, you know, no, we're going to take a

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Speaker 7: chance here. And Sweat was awesome as a rookie, and

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Speaker 7: at least at this point, nothing's popped up, you know,

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Speaker 7: as being an issue for him. So you know, there's

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Speaker 7: examples on both sides of guys that had some red

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Speaker 7: flags character wise who were able to mature and work out.

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Speaker 7: And I mean your point is I think dead on.

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Speaker 7: When you drop the player like that, you feel like,

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Speaker 7: all right, we're bringing him to a wide receiver room

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Speaker 7: that has some proven guys that you know are prime

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Speaker 7: examples of Hey, if I have the talent, if I

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Speaker 7: work and I do what's needed of me was asked

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Speaker 7: to me, and I listened to the coaching, maybe I could.

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Speaker 8: Be on their level someday.

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Speaker 7: And so I think you understand the reasoning, but you

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Speaker 7: also understand maybe why it hasn't worked out yet.

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Speaker 1: Visiting with Dame Brugler from the Athletic I mentioned defensive tackles,

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Speaker 1: defensive ends, guards, and tight ends.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk running back.

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Speaker 1: Chase Brown is emerging as perfect fit for the Bengals offense,

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Speaker 1: but we don't know about the future of Zach Moss.

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Speaker 1: I suspect they're probably going to add to that group

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Speaker 1: at some point. What do you think about guys after

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Speaker 1: round one? And they wouldn't take one that early, but

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Speaker 1: day two, Day three, at running.

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Speaker 8: Back, it's a loaded position this year.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you you feel really good about who's gonna

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Speaker 7: be available round two, round three, round four. I think

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Speaker 7: I gave draft well grades to thirty two running backs.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's just a lot of them, and they're

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Speaker 7: gonna go. They're all probably gonna go later than they should,

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Speaker 7: you know, just because there's only so many teams that

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Speaker 7: are gonna consider a running back in a second round

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Speaker 7: or the third round, and so it just pushes everybody

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Speaker 7: back a little bit. But you know, it depends what

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Speaker 7: type of runner they want. They want, you know, someone

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Speaker 7: that can come in and be a more of a

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Speaker 7: three down guy, or not three but like a third

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Speaker 7: down type of back. Then you're looking at like a

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Speaker 7: LeQuinn Allen out of Syracuse, who is a really good

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Speaker 7: pass catcher, He blocks well, he can play on special teams.

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Speaker 8: If you want someone that's.

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Speaker 7: More of an early down guy, like a Damien Martinez

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Speaker 7: from Miami who is gonna run with power and violence

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Speaker 7: and try to run over you, that would fit. So

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Speaker 7: there's just there's so many running backs in his class

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Speaker 7: that I think would fit my One of my favorites

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Speaker 7: probably around three for the Bengals, Jordan James from Oregon,

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Speaker 7: who is.

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Speaker 8: Not a home run hitter, but he's going to lead

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Speaker 8: the league of doubles.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 7: He's that type of guy where thirty five point six

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Speaker 7: percent of his carries last year resulted in a first

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Speaker 7: down or a touchdown, so he might not rip off

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Speaker 7: a sixty yarder, but he's going to get six consistently,

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Speaker 7: and so I think Jordan James, he's going to be

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Speaker 7: a steal at wherever the third round, fourth round Rover

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Speaker 7: ends up going.

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Speaker 8: He's one of my favorite backs this year.

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Speaker 1: There's another since he Cincinnati kid at the combine, Corey Kiner.

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Speaker 1: He started his college career at LSU, wound up back

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Speaker 1: home in Cincinnati, Cincinnati high school kid. Is he one

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Speaker 1: of your running backs with a draftable great?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Roger Bacon, right, Yeah, Yeah, he's he's honestly, he's

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Speaker 7: right on the cusp. He's like, I could see why

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Speaker 7: he would go in the sixth, seventh round, or I

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Speaker 7: could see why he'd be a PFA.

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Speaker 8: He's one of the borderline guys. But you know he's here.

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Speaker 7: You know he's he was at the Shrine Bowl too,

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Speaker 7: got you to see him there. He'll be here at

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Speaker 7: the combine a chance to you know, is he gonna

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Speaker 7: be a.

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Speaker 8: Four to four guy, four or five guy in the

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Speaker 8: four yeard dash.

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Speaker 7: You'll have a chance to kind of make his statement

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Speaker 7: why he should be drafted. And it's tough class because

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Speaker 7: it's so loaded, so many names, so anything you do

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Speaker 7: to stand out.

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Speaker 8: That'll be key for these guys.

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Speaker 1: We've got a couple more minutes with Dame Brugler. The

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Speaker 1: Bengals only have six picks. I think they would love

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Speaker 1: to trade down at some point to get more.

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Speaker 2: What would be a good time to do.

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Speaker 7: That, Yeah, and I think it's you have to see

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Speaker 7: ow the first what sixteen picks play out in the

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Speaker 7: first round.

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Speaker 8: If they would do that, entertain that in the first round.

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Speaker 7: This is also a draft where I'm just I'm not

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Speaker 7: confident how many teams are gonna want to trade up,

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Speaker 7: you know, like you have to have a dance partner

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Speaker 7: in order to get those extra picks, and in this class,

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Speaker 7: I'm just not sold that. You know, we see trades

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Speaker 7: every year, so it's not like we're not going to

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Speaker 7: have any trades. Of course we will, but I'm not

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Speaker 7: sure that the phone will be ringing maybe as much

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Speaker 7: as in past years.

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Speaker 8: And it's interesting.

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Speaker 7: Because there's I think players thirteen team to forty five

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Speaker 7: in this draft. Like there's for one team, a player

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Speaker 7: might be fifteen. That same player might be fifty for

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Speaker 7: a different team. I think the grades are very similar

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Speaker 7: in that range, which means the boards are going to

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Speaker 7: look wildly different, and so I don't know that we'll

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Speaker 7: have teams maybe clamoring the hey, we got to go

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Speaker 7: up and get this guy.

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Speaker 8: We have a trade up.

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Speaker 7: They might be feel fine saying and we probably like

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Speaker 7: more than other people, will stay put and be able

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Speaker 7: to get our guys. So ideally, yeah, I think that

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Speaker 7: makes sense. You trade back, you get an extra third

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Speaker 7: round pick, fourth round pick. You know, those are so

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Speaker 7: valuable in terms of filling out your roster and adding depth.

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Speaker 7: I just think it might be a little bit tougher

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Speaker 7: to do that this year.

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Speaker 1: Final question, Really appreciate your time. We assume the Bengals

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Speaker 1: are going to have one of the top offenses in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. As long as you've got a healthy Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, et cetera, you should be able to score points.

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Speaker 1: They didn't make the playoffs because their defense wasn't good enough.

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Speaker 1: Between the draft and what they might be able to

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Speaker 1: do in free agency, can they improve the defense enough

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Speaker 1: in one year to be back in the is a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl contender?

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Speaker 8: There's no doubt because the offense is that good.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you don't have to be tremendous on defense

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Speaker 7: for this team to make the playoffs, you have to

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Speaker 7: be passable, you have to be average, and I think

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Speaker 7: they can get there. It's just, yeah, you have to

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Speaker 7: make a few key decisions, and it's getting better on

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Speaker 7: the defensive line. It's getting better on the back end

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Speaker 7: and being more consistent the linebacker level.

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Speaker 8: And I'm not.

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Speaker 7: Saying it's easy to do that, but I think it's

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Speaker 7: definitely possible that they can get there this offseason through

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Speaker 7: the draft, making some key moves in free agency, as

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Speaker 7: long as you have borrow quarterback and the offense that

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Speaker 7: they have, because it's not like they went five and

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Speaker 7: twelve this year.

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Speaker 8: They were right there knocking on the door of the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: So you make a few key adjustments on defense and

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Speaker 7: get close to average, I think they'll be right back

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Speaker 7: in the mix and have a chance to knock down

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Speaker 7: that door.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy coming to the Combine every year, and one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest reasons is the opportunity to pick your brain.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the time. And I can't

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Speaker 1: wait for the beast.

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Speaker 8: Any Tom can't wait.

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Speaker 7: I look forward to it too. It's like, Okay, I know,

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Speaker 7: I gotta talk to Dan. That's part of my process

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Speaker 7: of coming to the combine every year.

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Speaker 1: By the way, since our conversation, Dane has come out

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Speaker 1: with a new mock draft. Michel Williams, the edge rusher

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Speaker 1: he had going to the Bengals in his first mock

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Speaker 1: was gone this time around, going to San Francisco at

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Speaker 1: number eleven Overall. Dane now has Cincinnati selecting Michigan cornerback

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Speaker 1: Will Johnson with a seventeenth pick. Johnson is generally considered

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Speaker 1: to be one of the top two cornerbacks in this draft,

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Speaker 1: Up next, a national NFL reporter who is never shy

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Speaker 1: about expressing his opinions. Great to catch up at the

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Speaker 1: combine with Pete Prisco from CBS Sports. Duke Tobin spoke

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Speaker 1: to the media on Tuesday, he referred to the Bengals

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Speaker 1: as quote a championship caliber team. They missed the playoffs

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Do you agree with Duke?

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Speaker 1: Are the Bengals a championship caliber team or close to it?

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Speaker 9: Well, they can be a championship caliber offense. I wouldn't

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Speaker 9: call their defense a championship caliber defense.

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Speaker 10: So they have work to.

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Speaker 11: Do on that side of the ball.

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Speaker 9: But obviously, when Joe Burrow's playing like he's playing, they're

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Speaker 9: going to stay in a lot of games and win

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Speaker 9: a lot of games.

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Speaker 10: But they have to fix that defense.

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Speaker 1: Is it fixable in one off season between the draft

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Speaker 1: and whatever room they have left over in free agency

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Speaker 1: after they try to extend t Higgins, Jamar Chase, and

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Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, If they can do.

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Speaker 9: It well, I think that's the biggest challenge first, and look,

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Speaker 9: I would do everything I could to try and keep all.

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Speaker 11: Three of those players.

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Speaker 9: I think if you take Higgins out of the lineup,

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Speaker 9: it changes the dynamic of the offense. If you take

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Speaker 9: Hendris out of the lineup, it changes the defense in

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Speaker 9: a big way. So that's number one priority for me.

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Speaker 9: And then because you can only there's only so many

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Speaker 9: stars that you could have, and if you have those guys,

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Speaker 9: you have stars.

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Speaker 10: So I would say, get those.

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Speaker 9: Guys signed, then use the draft to fix the try

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Speaker 9: and fix the defense, and whatever money you have left over,

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Speaker 9: depending on how you structure the contracts, maybe aut.

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Speaker 2: A guy in free agency, Pete.

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Speaker 1: I think a year ago, a lot of people, myself included, said,

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Speaker 1: all right, T Higgins will be a Bengal for one

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Speaker 1: more year in the franchise tag. It's tough to pay

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Speaker 1: two receivers that kind of money. They'll move on after that. Then,

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Speaker 1: with about five weeks to go in the season, Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow very publicly said, we need to do it. I

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Speaker 1: think we can do it, and it changed to a

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Speaker 1: lot of people's opinion, including my own. Did Joe Burrow's

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Speaker 1: talk of the importance of keeping both change your opinion

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Speaker 1: on the subject at all?

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Speaker 10: You know what changed my opinion on it is the.

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Speaker 9: Way they play together, and when one's not there, it's different.

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Speaker 9: It's Higgins adds a different dimension of the offense. You know,

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Speaker 9: when you have Chase and you don't have Higgins, it's

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Speaker 9: not the same offense.

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Speaker 10: So I think that's what Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 9: Came out and said it, and that's I kind of

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Speaker 9: changed my mind, and not based on what he said,

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Speaker 9: just on what I saw when they're on the field together.

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Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson has led the NFL led the NFL in

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Speaker 1: sacks with seventeen and a half this year. He also

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Speaker 1: had seventeen and a half the year before. He's got

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Speaker 1: one year left on his deal. As you've already said,

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Speaker 1: you think the Bengals should try to extend him. Do

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Speaker 1: you view Trey as one of the best overall defensive

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Speaker 1: ends in the league or just an elite pass rusher.

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Speaker 9: No, He's one of the best overall defensive ends in

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Speaker 9: the league, and for whatever reason, he doesn't get the

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Speaker 9: credit he deserves for being such a really good player

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Speaker 9: and he plays hard all the time. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 9: he's a great player. I think they have to do

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Speaker 9: everything they can to extend him, get that contract done,

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Speaker 9: make him the priority on defense.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals have the seventeenth pick in the first round.

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Speaker 1: I think most people would consider defensive line to be

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Speaker 1: their biggest need. Keep hearing from Draft Guru's great year.

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Speaker 1: If you need a defensive lineman, is that your belief?

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Speaker 10: I think it's a great.

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Speaker 9: Year for interior defensive lineman, which they you know, they

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Speaker 9: could use a big body in there.

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Speaker 10: And and yeah, you could.

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Speaker 11: Get a guy like Grant from Michigan down there.

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Speaker 9: I think he'd be a possibility, but they you know,

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Speaker 9: it's it's funny because how cyclical this league is. Everybody

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Speaker 9: watched the Eagles and they win the Super Bowl? And

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Speaker 9: how do they win the Super Bowl with the great

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Speaker 9: offensive line and the great defensive line and a defensive

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Speaker 9: line that can get after the quarterback and have a

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Speaker 9: dominant interior player like Carter and then build it around

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Speaker 9: him and then they're a great offensive line.

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Speaker 11: So now what's everybody trying to do?

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Speaker 9: Look for interior defensive linemen and great offensive lineman.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, they can get a guy at that spot.

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Speaker 11: In this draft.

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Speaker 1: They probably need a guard. They probably need a tight end.

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Speaker 2: Are those guys out there in this draft?

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Speaker 9: The tight end class is actually pretty good. There are

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Speaker 9: some guards, but I think there are some guards in

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Speaker 9: free agency, veteran guys that might not cost a lot

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Speaker 9: of money that you can plug in and play for

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Speaker 9: a year or two. You know, Daniels from Pittsburgh, he's

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Speaker 9: coming off an injury, but a good player, relatively young.

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Speaker 9: You might be able to Will Fries from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 11: You know, relatively young coming off an injury.

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Speaker 9: Maybe you get those guys on a team friendly deal

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Speaker 9: and plug them in and play.

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Speaker 2: Pete Prisco is our guest.

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Speaker 1: Any thoughts on the hiring of l Golden, bringing him

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Speaker 1: back from Notre Dame, the former linebackers coach, to be

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Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator following Luanna Roumo.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it needed a fresh set of eyes

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Speaker 11: over there.

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Speaker 9: It kind of got a little stale, I think, and

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Speaker 9: sometimes when it gets that way, players kind of tune

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Speaker 9: it out, and so you get a new guy in there.

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Speaker 9: He's been there, but you get a new guy calling

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Speaker 9: the defense, and I think that changes the outlook as

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Speaker 9: a unit.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, I think that's a good move on their part.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals were four and eight with five games to go,

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Speaker 1: ran the table, needed a little help on the final

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Speaker 1: Sunday to get into the playoffs, and didn't get it

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Speaker 1: when Denver beat Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: Were you of the belief that had they.

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Speaker 1: Snuck in, they were going to be a problem for

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Speaker 1: other teams in the AFA?

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Speaker 9: I said for the last four weeks of the season,

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Speaker 9: nobody wants to see the Bengals in Everybody in the

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Speaker 9: AFC was rooting against the Bengals getting.

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Speaker 11: Into the playoffs.

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Speaker 9: They really were because Joe Burrow is Joe Burrow. He's

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Speaker 9: so dangerous, that offense is so dynamic. Nobody wanted to

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Speaker 9: see them in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Here at the combine where everybody's evaluating prospects, and that

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Speaker 1: generally begins with quarterbacks. Has Joe kind of become the

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Speaker 1: benchmark in how you evaluate some of these prospects coming along.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's interesting because he was such a late bloomer,

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Speaker 9: you know, and then exploded that last year and everybody said, well,

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Speaker 9: where'd he come from? Well, where he came from. He

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Speaker 9: should have been playing probably before that. That's where he

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Speaker 9: came from. Joe Burrow makes it look so easy, and

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Speaker 9: we always look for quarterbacks to make it look easy.

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Speaker 9: You know who else made it look easy? Jayden Daniels

743
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Speaker 9: makes it look easy.

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Speaker 11: He should have been the number one pick last year.

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Speaker 10: I thought he was the best quarterback in the draft

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Speaker 10: last year. So we got to look at these guys who.

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Speaker 9: Makes it look easy And the answer to that is

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Speaker 9: neither one of them. At the top two and that's

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Speaker 9: always a concern to me. You know, there's a lot

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Speaker 9: to like about camp Mord. He can whip it around,

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Speaker 9: but doesn't make it look easy. Shador Sanders doesn't make

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Speaker 9: it look easy. So I always gauge my quarterback play

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Speaker 9: by who makes it look easy.

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Speaker 10: Joe Burrow came out. He made it look easy. He

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Speaker 10: makes it look easy.

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Speaker 9: Now it's almost like they're you know, like what Joe cool,

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Speaker 9: He's cool doing it.

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Speaker 11: Jay Daniels is the same way.

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Speaker 10: That's what I look for my quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting you would say that because I chatted

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Speaker 1: with Greg Cosell earlier today and he was talking about

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Speaker 1: the same thing, and he shared an anecdote that Kurt

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Speaker 1: Warner said, that is the best compliment a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Can receive because it's so hard.

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Speaker 1: If somebody tells you you make it look easy, that

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Speaker 1: is the kindest thing you can say to a quarterback.

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Speaker 10: And indeed it is.

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Speaker 11: And Kurt Warner made it look easy at times.

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Speaker 10: So he knows what that's like.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, I think you know, Bengal fans and I

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Speaker 9: know there was a lot of concern about the defense

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Speaker 9: and everything, but you have that guy throwing the football around.

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Speaker 11: If he's healthy, you're going to be in the division race.

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Speaker 9: You're going to be considered a threat in the AMC

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Speaker 9: and with that, which is why I think it's important

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Speaker 9: to keep t Higgins. You are always going to be

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Speaker 9: in games because teams can't put you away.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals had a long stretch of successful drafts that

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Speaker 1: really fueled that stretch of five straight years where they

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs under Marvin Lewis. In recent years, it's

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Speaker 1: been a little more hit and miss. I think last

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Speaker 1: year they actually did pretty well, but there were some

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Speaker 1: drafts before that that haven't been all that productive. Is

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Speaker 1: that just the nature of the draft or is there

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Speaker 1: anything about what Cincinnati has done in recent years that's

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Speaker 1: been a bit of a red flag for you?

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Speaker 9: Well, I think one of the things that they've done

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Speaker 9: a little bit of is you chase your mistakes. Sometimes

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Speaker 9: in defensive line, they've kind of chased their mistakes.

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Speaker 11: A little bit.

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Speaker 9: When you chase your mistakes, you tend to overdraft the position.

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Speaker 9: Maybe in some of those scenarios, they've overdrafted some of

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Speaker 9: those guys.

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Speaker 11: So where are they right now? They're still looking for

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Speaker 11: some of those guys.

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Speaker 10: So I think that gets teams. That catches up with

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Speaker 10: you a little bit.

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Speaker 9: If you make a mistake, you're apt to go back

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Speaker 9: and try and fill it, and then you overdraft the

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Speaker 9: guy maybe you know a rounder or you know fifteen

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Speaker 9: spots higher than he should go, and that comes back

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Speaker 9: and hurt you. So I think they've been guilty of

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Speaker 9: that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Last thing for Pete Prisco. We are a long way

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Speaker 1: from week one of the season. We got free agency

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Speaker 1: in the draft to look forward to. But what does

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Speaker 1: your gut tell you at this early stage about the

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Speaker 1: Bengals in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 9: They'll be back in the mix in the division. I

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Speaker 9: don't think there's any question about that. I think it's

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Speaker 9: a two team division. Look, the Steelers have major questions

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Speaker 9: at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I think they have.

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Speaker 10: Questions at other spots.

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Speaker 11: They were kind of steel.

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Speaker 9: Fans don't like hearing this, but they were kind of

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Speaker 9: a mirage less if you could look inside their numbers.

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Speaker 11: They didn't run the ball very well, they didn't stop

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Speaker 11: the run very.

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Speaker 9: Well, they didn't get after the quarterback very well, and

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Speaker 9: somehow they were there at the end.

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Speaker 11: I don't have no idea. It's a tribute to Mike

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Speaker 11: Tomlin as a football.

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Speaker 10: Coach because a quarterback play wasn't very good.

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Speaker 9: So I think it's a two team division. I think

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Speaker 9: it'll be the Ravens and the Bengals in the division.

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Speaker 2: Always a treat to pick your brain. Really happy. I

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Speaker 2: ran India here in Indy. Thanks so much, Pete got it.

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Speaker 2: You got it.

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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorites. You can follow him on

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Speaker 1: x at Prisco CBS. That's p Isco CBS. We end

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Speaker 1: this episode by turning the clock back to twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: and a conversation I had with a twenty three year

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Speaker 1: old rookie out of Ohio State. Time for some fun

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Speaker 1: facts with defensive ends, Sam Hubbard from Ohio State by

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Speaker 1: way of Mohler High School. According to your bio, Sam

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Speaker 1: Buckeye's coach Urban Meyer, first notice you playing dodgeball in

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Speaker 1: gym class. True story or Urban myth.

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Speaker 12: True story.

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Speaker 13: So my high school football coach was our gym teacher

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Speaker 13: as well, and coach Meyern Kerry Combs came in one

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Speaker 13: day to visit him and you see the town at

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Speaker 13: Moller and I happened to be in the gym class

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Speaker 13: when he walked in the building and got introduced to

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Speaker 13: him after playing a game of dodgeball, and that's how

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Speaker 13: it all started.

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Speaker 1: Were you just like drilling kids on the opposite side

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Speaker 1: of the court.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean the last person you expect to walk

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Speaker 13: into your gym class is Urban Meyer, but once you

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Speaker 13: see him, you expect to go a little bit harder.

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Speaker 1: Sam, five years ago, you're sitting in class at Moeller

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Speaker 1: High School. Now you're playing for your hometown NFL team.

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Speaker 2: How surreal is that.

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Speaker 13: That first home game on that Thursday night was a

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Speaker 13: special moment, especially looking up into the stands and seeing

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Speaker 13: my family and friends in my jersey. All I wanted

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Speaker 13: to do was just make him proud, and that was

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Speaker 13: a special moment. And I'm gonna continue to represent and

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Speaker 13: do what i can to make the city proud.

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Speaker 1: We're doing fun facts with Sam Hubbard. You're a great

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Speaker 1: athlete in high school. But what else were you interested

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Speaker 1: in as a kid.

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Speaker 13: There's a lot of things, you know. I was always

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Speaker 13: interested in history. You know, my dad's a history buffs.

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Speaker 13: He knows everything Roman Empire, all that stuff. And eventually

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Speaker 13: I came out of college with a minor in history,

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Speaker 13: you know, taking EP classes in history in high school.

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Speaker 13: I was interested in sports obviously, and hanging out with

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Speaker 13: friends and having a good time.

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Speaker 1: You also earned a finance degree in three and a

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Speaker 1: half years at Ohio State. How did you juggle football

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Speaker 1: in school?

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Speaker 12: It was tough.

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Speaker 13: I think I was raised very well by my mom

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Speaker 13: and dad, learning time management and you know, how to

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Speaker 13: be successful, working hard and doing all the right things

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Speaker 13: all the time. I think I had a great foundation

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Speaker 13: from them, and then I got to Moeller learned how

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Speaker 13: to do stuff right in the classroom and on the field,

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Speaker 13: and just enhance it once I got to Ohio State.

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Speaker 13: So I was very fortunate with the people around me

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Speaker 13: that showed me the right way to do things.

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Speaker 1: We're doing fun facts with Sam Hubburn. We're going all

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Speaker 1: over the map. Tell me the story of getting Rudy

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Speaker 1: Johnson's autograph at a Cincinnati mall.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, me and my friends. I can't even remember what

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Speaker 13: grade we're in, but it was around Halloween and we're

889
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 13: going to Halloween Express got dropped off by our parents

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Speaker 13: to get a costume and ran into Rudy Johnson. I

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Speaker 13: forget who who he was with, but we ran inside,

892
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Speaker 13: got a piece of paper, asked them to sign I

893
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Speaker 13: so got to hang in my room to this day.

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Speaker 1: Nice choice, Rudy, great player in his Bengals days. You

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Speaker 1: were a great lacrosse player at Moler. You almost went

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Speaker 1: to Notre Dame to play lacrosse before playing college football

897
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Speaker 1: at Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: Was it hard to give up lacrosse?

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Speaker 12: It was hard.

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Speaker 13: I think the hardest thing was not playing lacrosse my

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Speaker 13: senior year of high school. I didn't play so that

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Speaker 13: I could spend extra time in the weight room gaining

903
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Speaker 13: weight and getting ready to play college football. But you know,

904
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Speaker 13: I love the sport equally as much as I loved football,

905
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Speaker 13: and you know, it's a sacrifice I had to make.

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Speaker 13: But I really like where I'm at now and what

907
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Speaker 13: I'm doing, so I can't complain.

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Speaker 1: There's footage of you playing lacrosse on YouTube. You're about

909
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Speaker 1: six inches taller than most of the other guys on

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Speaker 1: the field. Did you scare opponents in that sport?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, one on YouTube's my freshman year. If you want

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Speaker 13: to see my real highlights, watch the junior ones on huddle.

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Speaker 13: Those are more fun. But yeah, I was bigger than

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Speaker 13: most of the guys I played against.

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Speaker 12: There's just that's how lacrosse is.

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Speaker 1: When you got to Ohio State, put on a lot

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Speaker 1: of muscle to go from being a safety to being

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Speaker 1: a defensive end. How much did you eat and what

919
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Speaker 1: did you eat?

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Speaker 12: It was a process.

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Speaker 13: I you know, first I was eating anything inside I could,

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Speaker 13: just to get the weight on me so I could

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Speaker 13: compete at the high level. And over the years, especially

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Speaker 13: now I've learned how to eat right, how to eat properly,

925
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Speaker 13: and really you know, gain the right kind of weight,

926
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Speaker 13: replace that whatever it was fat with muscle.

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Speaker 12: Just try to lean out.

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Speaker 13: But I till I felt sick every meal for six

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Speaker 13: months until I gained forty pounds and then ever since then,

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Speaker 13: just trying to maintain and stay stay in the weight

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Speaker 13: room extra.

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Speaker 1: You never lost to Michigan in four years at Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: How obnoxious are you when you are around Michigan people?

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Speaker 12: Pretty obnoxious?

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Speaker 13: Rightfully, So we uh we don't have any love for

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Speaker 13: that stayed up north, but uh, you know, I can

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Speaker 13: I feel like I can say whatever I want because

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Speaker 13: they got no bragging rights.

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Speaker 2: We're doing fun facts. That's Sam Hubbard.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned your finance degree from Ohio State. You had

941
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Speaker 1: internships at Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan in New York.

942
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Speaker 2: What'd you learn?

943
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Speaker 12: I learned a lot.

944
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Speaker 13: I learned how you know, how competitive the business world is.

945
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Speaker 13: It's just as competitive as a football field. You know,

946
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Speaker 13: there's a special type of you know, people that are successful.

947
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Speaker 13: You know, they're determined, they're driven, and they're experts in

948
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Speaker 13: their field. And if I want to be successful one

949
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Speaker 13: day when I'm done with football in the business world,

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Speaker 13: I got to take the same approach I took with football.

951
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Speaker 13: And that's really the biggest thing I took away from it.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Sam Hubbard after you got drafted your

953
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Speaker 1: family and friends about one hundred and sixty four customized

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Speaker 1: Hubbard number ninety four jerseys from the Bengals Pro Shop.

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Speaker 1: I know you love them to death, but was it

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Speaker 1: a little embarrassing?

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Speaker 12: Oh no, not at all. That was awesome.

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Speaker 13: I thank my aunt Emily and my sister Madison that

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Speaker 13: organized the whole thing, and everyone just wanted to be

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Speaker 13: involved and be supportive.

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Speaker 12: I'm so thankful for it.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like the tailgates are pretty legendary in the Hubbard family.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, no, I've never been to one.

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Speaker 2: Even postgame. Don't you get to go over there and

965
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Speaker 2: say hello? When you're done.

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Speaker 13: Oh yeah, but the party usually is died down by then.

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Speaker 13: But now they they have my friends go. People that

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Speaker 13: have never been to a House State or Bengals game

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Speaker 13: go and they tell me that it's the best fun

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Speaker 13: they've had in the life. So shout out to my

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Speaker 13: parents for bringing their a game every week.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: What are you do when you have free time?

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Speaker 12: A lot of things?

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 13: I like to watch movies. I'm gonna consider myself a

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Speaker 13: movie critic. I like to cook, go out to eat, relaxed, swim, fish,

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Speaker 13: play golf. I got a lot of hobbies, but pretty

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Speaker 13: much whatever I'm feeling.

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Speaker 1: Does the movie buff have an all time favorite?

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Speaker 13: I got a couple of all time favorites. I don't

982
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Speaker 13: think I can pick one off the top of my

983
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Speaker 13: head right now. Maybe Good Fellas, Oh good choice?

984
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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 12: Final thing?

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Speaker 1: Great athlete, great student, but nobody's perfect. What do you

987
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: stink at basketball?

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Speaker 12: Really can't shoot.

989
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Speaker 13: All I can do is rebound and pass it off.

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Speaker 13: That's always been My uncle played basketball at Michigan. You know,

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Speaker 13: I've always wanted to be good at basketball, but just

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Speaker 13: wasn't my sport.

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Speaker 1: Can't be good at everything, right, Appreciate the time, best

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Speaker 1: of luck this year.

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Speaker 12: Nope, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: That's Sam Hubbard.

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Speaker 1: Sam plans to continue his work in the community through

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Speaker 1: the Sam Hubbard Foundation and his annual Fowling tournament featuring

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Speaker 1: current and former Bengals, is coming up on May fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: Registration opens tomorrow, Friday, March seventh, at nine am. That's

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