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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha, and welcome to Steffone

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Speaker 1: ever told your prediction if I heard you?

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Speaker 2: And welcome to another Monday mini where I start having

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Speaker 2: a mini panic attack. So join me, because you know,

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Speaker 2: it is an election year and apparently we all feel

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Speaker 2: this pain. And we just talked about the fact that

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Speaker 2: we are getting NonStop techs. I think I've counted like

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Speaker 2: twenty in one day in which I'm like, y'all are

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Speaker 2: coming on too strong, and now I just hate you.

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Speaker 2: But that's a whole different conversation. I know a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are volunteering and doing it, but damn, I

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Speaker 2: think that moneys go somewhere else. Anyway. Yes, the election

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Speaker 2: year has become a constant whorlwind of drama and controversy,

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Speaker 2: including the recent change in a Democratic nomination. And before

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Speaker 2: we get into it, let's do it quick timestamp. This

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Speaker 2: was written August first, twenty twenty four. It is being

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Speaker 2: recorded August second, twenty twenty four. Things are changing quickly, yes,

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Speaker 2: but also some things haven't changed. That's what we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about. Because if you've been listening to any

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Speaker 2: of our classics, or if you listen previously, you know

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Speaker 2: when it comes to misinformation and disinformation, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: out there and some of the tactics have not changed.

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Speaker 2: Before we start, yes, trigger warning, election stuff one two, racism, sexism,

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Speaker 2: all the things, all the grossness that comes with election

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Speaker 2: year slash lies being told by everyone. Okay, so let's

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Speaker 2: jump into it. The chaos that is the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: been for the last twenty years, but I guess forever forever.

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Speaker 2: It just has been point blank. With Biden's recent announcement

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Speaker 2: of dropping out of the presidential election for this upcoming term,

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Speaker 2: so many people have thoughts and comments and that they

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Speaker 2: have been I don't know, flooding the internets and media,

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Speaker 2: including a lot of misinformation and disinformation that has been

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Speaker 2: going NonStop, especially since Vice President Kamala Harris has started

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Speaker 2: her campaign in getting the nominee spot for the DNC.

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Speaker 2: So we have talked at length, including before the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty election, and yes, go check out those episodes is

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Speaker 2: back up as Classics and then our own episode that

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Speaker 2: we talked about Georgia as being a swing sedate, all

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Speaker 2: the things, the amount of abuse and harassment, many women

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Speaker 2: get online, especially those in the public. I like political figures,

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Speaker 2: and we've talked about journalists as well, So again reminders

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Speaker 2: we couldn't and honestly, I couldn't find more recent statistics

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Speaker 2: of gender based online harassment. But still, as of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: at least fifty eight person a girls surveyed had endured

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Speaker 2: some type of online harassment, and VP Harris has been

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Speaker 2: subject to a lot of this harassment. Here's a quote

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Speaker 2: from Carnegie Endowment dot org. A recent analysis shows that

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Speaker 2: immediately following Kamala Harris's nomination as the twenty twenty US

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Speaker 2: at at least three thousand times per hour on Twitter

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Speaker 2: this was before twenty twenty four years later. I haven't

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Speaker 2: seen much since then. I'm sure there's data coming through

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Speaker 2: there's been talks of her being the new nominee, and honestly,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be so much more today, even more

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Speaker 2: you remember the different definitions, misinformation is false information that

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Speaker 2: And then disinformation is deliberately misleading or biased information, manipulated

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Speaker 2: And now the usage of AI, which again he reposted

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Speaker 2: this disinformation. Things are going to be more problematic and

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Speaker 2: we have to be careful of what we see. For

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Speaker 2: A video that uses an artificial intelligence voice cloning tool

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Speaker 2: things she did not say, is raising concerns about the

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Speaker 2: power of AI to mislead. With election Day about three

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Speaker 2: months away, the video gained a after tech A billionaire

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk shared it on his social media platform X

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Speaker 2: that parody is not a crime. The video uses many

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Speaker 2: of the same visuals as a real ad that Harris,

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Speaker 2: AI generated voice that convincingly impersonates Harris. It goes, I

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, am your Democratic candidate for a president because

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Speaker 2: Harris for president branding. It also adds in some authentic

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Speaker 2: past clips of Harris really really, really concerning, and though

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Speaker 2: I think most people recognized this wasn't authentic, it does

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Speaker 2: bring concerns about what to expect as the election day

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Speaker 2: gets closer. We already know people are pissed, especially when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the Trump campaign that Harris is now

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Speaker 2: But now that's kind of gone out the window. They're

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Speaker 2: people saying that they're going to get sued that she

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Speaker 2: can't be on the ballot, so much misinformation. Once again,

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Speaker 2: even our own secretary person here, responsible Raffensberger, has verified

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Speaker 2: that yes, she can be the new nominee. The DNC

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Speaker 2: of the misinventation and disinformation that is currently being used

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Speaker 2: that have been used. So I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 2: we're going to clarify it. So the statement is, again,

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Speaker 2: this is actually something that I believed when she was

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Speaker 2: that VP Harris put thousands of black community in jail

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Speaker 2: it's not completely wrong, but it's not completely right. Under

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Speaker 2: As a DA she had around fourteen hundred to fifteen

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Speaker 2: definitely concerning when you see the prosecution side, and you

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Speaker 2: Another bit of disinformation is that she slept her way

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Speaker 2: you can make that a big thing. Am I right?

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Speaker 2: Am I right? So not surprising here that this would

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Speaker 2: whether you are a victim, whether any of these things,

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Speaker 2: this is the thing. Yes, Vice President Harris had a

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Speaker 2: really sure why this would be advantageous. It was said

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Speaker 2: I feel like is pretty proven. However, people still want

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Speaker 2: those were things to consider. Add to that, there was

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Speaker 2: to say it. Another part is that she is childless. Yes,

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Speaker 2: wonderful stepparent that has done well with co parenting. The

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Speaker 2: like she's amazing whatever. I'm not saying that. But that's

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Speaker 2: why are we attacking women without children?

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Speaker 2: Why are we taking women with cats? B I'm not

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Speaker 1: You should see. My friend has a great shirt that

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Speaker 1: she about this whole childless cat lady thing that she's

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Speaker 1: I love her.

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Speaker 2: I love that she has the report back. I need

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Speaker 2: to know what happened. Another bit of disinformation. She isn't black.

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Speaker 2: She turned black according to Trump uh not too long ago,

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Speaker 2: which I was like, hey, wait what wait what? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so her hair is just jamaking an Indian And there

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Speaker 2: seems to be a lot of confusion from the Republican

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like impossible, impossible, you can't be more than one, right,

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Speaker 3: excuse me, a white person, do you know how many

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Speaker 3: ethnicities probably run through your blood, sir?

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Speaker 2: Your background? Uh? Anyway, y'all sure do want to claim

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Speaker 2: But what I know this is also the the deeper

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