1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Noble Blood, A production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankie listener discretion advised. 3 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: In February seventeen ninety two, reclined in a bed somewhere 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: on the outskirts of Montpellier, France, Georgiana Cavendish lifted a 5 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: shaking hand to dip her quill into the well of 6 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: Crimson Ink at her bedside. Quote. As soon as you 7 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: are old enough to understand this letter, it will be 8 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: given to you, she wrote to her infant son. It 9 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: contains the only present I can make you, my blessing 10 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: written in my blood. At thirty four years of age, 11 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: fearing her death, the Duchess of Devonshire wrote to her 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: children overseas in the hopes that these words, written in 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: what would be the only lasting piece of her living form, 14 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: would be some comfort to them. Quote. One of my 15 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: greatest pains in dying is not to see you again, 16 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: she wrote to her elder daughter. I die, my dearest child, 17 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: with the most unfeigned repentance for my many errors. As 18 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: her hands gripped desperately onto what she believed would be 19 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: her last words to her children, it's difficult to say 20 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: exactly which of her many errors Georgiana was referring to. 21 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: On the surface, it seems obvious that she might be 22 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: speaking of her thousands upon thousands of pounds and gambling debt, 23 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: especially when she later advised in her letter to quote 24 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: learned to be exact about expense. But if you were 25 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: there with Georgiana that day, if you were watching her 26 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: fill the pages with her parting thoughts, it would have 27 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: been impossible for you to ignore the significant swell of 28 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: her belly protruding from her otherwise slight frame, a belly 29 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: which alludes to one particular error, the one that had 30 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: put her there in a stranger's home in the French countryside, 31 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: days away from giving birth. But is that right? Had 32 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: it been an error to have followed her heart, to 33 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: have fallen in love, to wish more than anything that 34 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: she could keep this child that she was about to 35 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: give birth to. Perhaps her only errors lied in the 36 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: circumstances outside of her control, the decisions she was being 37 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: forced to make in order to keep her three other 38 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: children with a mother in their lives. Days later, despite 39 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: the difficult pregnancy, Georgiana would survive the birth of her daughter, 40 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: though she would never be able to claim her as such. 41 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Barely hours after entering the world, the newborn infant Eliza Courtney, 42 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: was ripped from her mother's arms to live with her 43 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: paternal grandparents in Northumberland into England. The birth may have 44 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: spared Georgiana's life, but the unspeakable pain she felt watching 45 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: her daughter be taken away would, along with the combined 46 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: weight of the rest of her life's many errors, threatened 47 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: to sink her into an even deeper oblivion than the 48 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: death that she had so feared. I'm Dana Schwartz and 49 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: this is noble blood. Two years earlier, on a much 50 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: happier morning in May, the deafening cry of a newborn 51 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: child was celebrated with the wet smiles and warm embraces 52 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: of a family brimming with equal parts joy and relief. 53 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: At long last, the Duke and Duchess had finally been 54 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: blessed with their Devonshire air. The newborn Marquess of Hardington, 55 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: or Heart, as he was affectionately called, was the product 56 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: of nearly sixteen years of fertility struggles and marital turmoil 57 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: that had at long last settled into an, if not healthy, 58 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: at least semi functional arrangement. In the years since the 59 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: Duke and Duchess's temporary separation, Georgiana's uncontrollable gambling continued to 60 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: escalate her debts. Only then, following the Duke's threat of 61 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: separation and her best friend Bess's suspicious lack of support, 62 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: did Georgiana become determined to change her ways, or short 63 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: of that, she at least swore to stop withholding the 64 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: details of her debt from her best friend Best That 65 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: was what Georgiana had assumed had angered Best anyway, not 66 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: that Bess had a desire to see Georgana gone so 67 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: that she herself could become the duchess. Best or Lady 68 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Foster, for those who need a quick refresher, was 69 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 1: the half genuine, half social climbing best friend of Georgiana, who, 70 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: after being invited to live with the couple in London, 71 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: later became Georgana's husband. The Duke's mistress. Without a doubt, 72 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: Best stood to gain quite a bit had her friend 73 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: no longer been the Duchess, But the drawbacks of driving 74 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: Georgana from her own home while she was supposed to 75 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: be her closest friend ultimately forced her to accept her 76 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: lot in life as the Devonshire's token third wheel. Though, 77 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: following the arrival of their long awaited air, Bess and 78 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: Georgiana's relationship became stronger than it had ever been. With 79 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: the Devonshire's marital future secured, the physical responsibilities of Georgiana's 80 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: marriage had been fulfilled, which meant that Best no longer 81 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: had to share the Duke with his wife, and so 82 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: when Georgiana began to express interest in a man other 83 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: than her husband, Best certainly had no reason to object. 84 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: The man in question was the young, passionate, up and 85 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: coming Wig politician Charles Gray. Where the Duke was distant 86 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: and emotionally unavailable, Gray was bold and romantic, with an 87 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: inherent flare for drama. The two had met through their 88 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: joint work for the Whig Party, but it quickly became 89 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: clear that Gray's passion wasn't just limited to politics. From 90 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: causing scenes at Devonshire House circle parties to quote unquote 91 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: secret rendezvous in Bath, the pair couldn't have been less 92 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: discreet if one of Georgiana's legendary Whigs had had a 93 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: neon sign attached flashing the words where having an affair 94 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: above her head As they paraded across London. The more 95 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: London talked, the more Georgana's friend tried to persuade her 96 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: to be at least less conspicuous about her newfound love. Bess, 97 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: who had initially supported the affair, feared the Duke's inevitable 98 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: retaliation at seeing his wife plastered across the London tabloids. 99 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: Even the playwright Richard Sheridan, who wrote The School for Scandal, 100 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: the play from the beginning of last week's episode based 101 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: loosely on the Duchess's life, wrote to her begging her 102 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: to see reason now. The very fact that the man 103 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: who wrote an entire play scandalizing Georgiana's life was urging 104 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: her to use discretion should have been enough of a 105 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: red flag, But Georgiana was well past the point of 106 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: listening to reason. Unlike the early years of her marriage, 107 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: when she had bent over backwards in an attempt to 108 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: get the Duke to simply look at her for the 109 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: first time in her life, Georgiana was not just romantically loved, 110 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: but chased as popular and universally loved as she was 111 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: by the Devonshire House circle. None of it compared to 112 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: the singular romantic attention that she received from Charles Gray. 113 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: His bold declarations of love appealed to the romantic in Georgiana, 114 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: who had been forced to tamper down her expectations of 115 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: happily ever afters early on in her marriage. Of course, 116 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: just as Georgiana was settling into her whirlwind fairytale romance, 117 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 1: the universe had already set planned into motion to bring 118 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: her back to reality. By the end of summer se 119 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: she could no longer ignore the familiar changes her body 120 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: began to take on, nor the inevitable repercussions that such 121 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: changes were going to bring. After so many years of 122 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: fertility issues and desperate prayers for a healthy child, against 123 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: all odds, that Duchess was pregnant once again. In the 124 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: early months, Georgiana was able to keep the physical signs 125 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: of her pregnancy relatively hidden under the guise of helping 126 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: her sister, who had fallen ill and been sent to 127 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: Cornwall to convalesce. Georgiana was able to carry her secret 128 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: for six months before word of her condition began to spread. 129 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: Of course, rather than simply coming clean and telling her 130 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: husband the truth, Similarly to how she handled her game 131 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: billing debts, the Duchess chose to keep the truth from 132 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: her husband until the day it would inevitably come knocking 133 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: on their door. Only when the Duke finally received word 134 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: that it was of the utmost importance to see his 135 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: wife with his own eyes did he not knock on 136 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: her door so much as kick it down. The Duke 137 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: took one look at Georgiana, more than six months pregnant 138 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: at this point, and dragged her into the next room, 139 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: locking the door behind them, not that the walls could 140 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: do much to block out the volume of the Duke's 141 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: rage or of Georgiana's responding cries. In the end, the 142 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: Duke gave his wife an ultimatum. Either end her affair 143 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: with Gray and put their forthcoming child up for adoption, 144 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: or he would divorce her and refuse to let her 145 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: see their three children ever again. It was an impossible choice, 146 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: but one that she made without pause. Even if the 147 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: entirety of her decision hinged on the Duke keeping his word. 148 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: She could never live without her three children. By the 149 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,479 Speaker 1: time the Duke departed from Cornwall, it had been decided 150 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: Georgiana would be sent abroad to France as soon as possible, 151 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: presumably to come back once the child had been born 152 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: and sent away, and so with nothing but the weight 153 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: of her impending heartbreak and the future of her unborn 154 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: child on her mind, Georgiana packed her bags and set 155 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: forth to meet her uncertain fate. It's at this point 156 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: I think it's important to remind you exactly what was 157 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: happening in France in the early seventeen nineties. If you 158 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: were a long time listener, you may remember the very 159 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: first Noble Blood episode was on none other than Marie Antoinette, 160 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: the queen whose decapitated head became the symbol of the 161 00:10:54,760 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: French Revolution. Well coincidentally, she and Georgiana had grown to 162 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: be quite good friends, both able to commiserate over their 163 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: overbearing mothers and lackluster husbands, but considering the general French populace, 164 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: agreed that they wanted to see Marie Antoinette's head in 165 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: a blood straw lined basket. Being her friend, or being 166 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: associated with French nobility at all, was about the last 167 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: thing you would want to do in seventeen nineties France, 168 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: Which brings us to a residence on the outskirts of Montpellier, 169 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: days before Georgiana was due to give birth to her 170 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: fourth child. With the comforts of home and her family 171 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: physicians across the English Channel. The precarious ground on which 172 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: the French monarchy stood only added to the Duchess's paranoia 173 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: as to the likelihood of her impending death. In addition 174 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: to the blood inked letters she wrote to her children, 175 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: Georgiana penned a new will dated January and took out 176 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: a life insurance policy on herself for about a thousand pounds. Comparatively, 177 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: the thousand pounds was a pittance in the grand scheme 178 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: of what she owed to her various creditors across Great Britain, 179 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: but the intention of her gesture was clear. She may 180 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: have had no control over when or even if she 181 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: would be able to return to see her children again, 182 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: but she wanted to make sure they would be taken 183 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: care of regardless of what happened to her. Perhaps Georgiana's 184 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: only saving grace in her forced exile were the people 185 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: that had chosen to accompany her, along with her mother 186 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: and her sister, to the Duke and the rest of 187 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: London Society's surprise, Bess had agreed to join Georgana's party abroad. 188 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: When he had initially made his ultimatum the Duke had 189 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: expected Georgiana to agree to his terms and her affair 190 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: and have the child abroad. He had not expected his 191 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: mistress to voluntarily choose to abandon him, albeit temporarily, to 192 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: go with his exiled wife to war torn France. After all, 193 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: now that the Duke had proof of the Duchess's infidelity, 194 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: Bess's role in Devonshire House suddenly had new potential. Should 195 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: he go back on his word and choose to divorce Georgiana, 196 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: he'd technically be in his right to do so, meaning 197 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: Bess would naturally be next in line to become Duchess. 198 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: But what the Duke hadn't taken into account was that 199 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: this wasn't the first time he had sent a woman 200 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: in Devonshire House abroad to have their illegitimate child. Bess 201 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: knew how it felt. In fact, over the course of 202 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: their nearly decade long affair, the Duke had sent Bess 203 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: abroad to have not one but two of his illegitimate children, 204 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: subsequently forcing her to hand each of them off to 205 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: a foster family so she could come back to London 206 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: child free. But now that Georgiana was to be forced 207 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: to endure the same fate, best saw an opportunity to 208 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: bring her children back into her life, and if Georgiana 209 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: and Bess had anything in common other than their relationship 210 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: to the Duke, it was their determination to sure the 211 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: well being of their children. So when the rest of 212 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: Georgiana's family moved on to Nice for the sake of 213 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: Georgiana's sister's health, Bess and her six year old daughter, 214 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: Caroline St. Jules stayed behind with Georgiana in Montpellier, and 215 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: on February twenty, seventeen ninety two, with Bess at her side, 216 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Georgiana gave birth to her daughter, Elizabeth Courtney. In a 217 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: poem by Georgiana dated just days after Eliza's birth, she 218 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: wrote to her daughter, quote and should then generous world 219 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: upbraid thee for mine and for thy father's ill. A 220 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: nameless mother offt shall asiste a hand unseen protect thee. 221 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: Still it's obvious the loss of her newborn daughter was devastating, 222 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: but the words she left for Eliza in the poem 223 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: suggests she hadn't given up hope as to the possibility 224 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: of influencing her daughter's life from afar, and while there's 225 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: no substantial evidence to prove it, I like to think 226 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: that despite their somewhat tumultuous relationship, having Best there to 227 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: support her, not just as her close friend, but as 228 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: another woman who had been forced to give away her 229 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: child because of the Duke, was at least a small 230 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: comfort to Georgiana, especially with Caroline Saint Jules at Bess's side, 231 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: even though the child was technically the living proof of 232 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: Bess's and her husband's infidelity. Seeing Bess and her daughter 233 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: reunited after so many years apart likely gave Georgiana some 234 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: semblance of hope in the bleak days following the loss 235 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: of her own daughter. But soon days turned into weeks, 236 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: and apart from dealing with her considerable grief, Georgiana's days 237 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: were spent doing one thing and one thing, only waiting 238 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: to hear word from the Duke. By the time Georgana 239 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: and Bess had caught up with the rest of their 240 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: party in Niece, there was still no word. It became 241 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: obvious that ultimatum or not, the Duke was not going 242 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: to let Georgiana return to England so easily. Finally, in April, 243 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: the Duke wrote to Georgiana, making himself perfectly clear Beth 244 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: could come home, but she Georgiana was to stay abroad 245 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: until he deemed her worthy of returning. Just when she 246 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: had begun to grow accustomed to the well of grief 247 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: that had permanently taken resident in her chest, a new 248 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: wave of heartbreak threatened to overtake her entirely. As the 249 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: repercussions of the Duke's message settled in quote, Oh, my 250 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: dear child, Georgiana wrote in a letter to her eldest daughter, 251 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: I can only assure you that your love and the 252 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: hopes that you will not forget me, is the comfort 253 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: of my life now that I am absent from you. 254 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: When I am to return is now very uncertain. I 255 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: hope it will be soon, as I do not feel 256 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: I have strength to bear so long in absence. In 257 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: her desperation to see her children again, the Duchess pleaded 258 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: with her husband to let her and Best visit, even 259 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: for just a month in secret, but the Duke refused. 260 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: Even Georgana's sister Harriet, noticed the despondent turn her sister 261 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: had taken, writing in a letter to a mutual friend, 262 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: quote he never writes to her, and seldom to Best. 263 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: And the last letter was in so harsh a style 264 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: that I have little hopes of good. Even though the 265 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: Duke had invited Best to return to Devonshire House in London, 266 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: it didn't take her long to realize that his irritation 267 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: didn't solely lie with his wife. Going back so far 268 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: as when the Duke discovered Georgiana's pregnancy back in Cornwall, 269 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: the Duke had been furious that Bess had kept such 270 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: a monumental secret from him for so long. Add to 271 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: that the fact that she had chosen to accompany his 272 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: wife to France and had taken back their illegitimate child 273 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: with her to France, and Bess was suddenly vying for 274 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: the title of most vexing woman in Devonshire House. Still, 275 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: the Duke invited her back, but it was clear to 276 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: even those without the intimate knowledge of what went on 277 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: in the Devonshire Managatois that the Duke was doing so 278 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: not out of his love for Best, but in an 279 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: effort to further isolate Georgiana. Ultimately, his efforts would be 280 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: for not. Bess had solidified her place at Georgiana's side, 281 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: and there would be nothing that could threaten to take 282 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: her away. In the end, it would be two years 283 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: before the Duke finally wrote to invite his duchess back 284 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: to London. As soon as they received word, Georgiana and 285 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: Bess wasted no time packing their belongings and beginning the 286 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: arduous task of returning home in the midst of the 287 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: freshly overthrown French monarchy, and while watching English refugees attempt 288 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: to clamber aboard the small yachts she and Bess had 289 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: somehow charmed their way onto. Was no doubt traumatic the 290 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: welcome Georgiana was waiting for at Devonshire House would prove 291 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: to be something else entirely. Quote. I have seen them, 292 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: I have seen them, Georgiana wrote to her mother after 293 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: being reunited with her three children at long last. Hartington 294 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: is very pretty, she continued, but very cruel to me. 295 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: He will not look at me or speak to me, 296 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: though he kissed me a little at night. End quote. 297 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: The differences in her children's demeanor were just the tip 298 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: of the iceberg in terms of the changes Georgiana walked 299 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: into upon her return to London. Two years seemed to 300 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: have passed in the blink of an eye. Yet the 301 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: truth remained that two years was vastly more significant in 302 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: the eyes of her young children. Heart barely remembered his mother, 303 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: and after further investigation, was discovered to be almost entirely 304 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: deaf after an infection of his had been left neglected 305 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: for too long without being treated. In addition to the 306 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: fury that she felt on behalf of her children, Georgiana 307 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: was greeted with yet another betrayal, Charles Gray was engaged 308 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: to be married. Even if she had no tension of 309 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: rekindling her flame with Gray, the fact that she had 310 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: learned the news through the London papers and not through 311 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: Gray himself, was another bruise on Georgiana's already withering ego. 312 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: London may have still considered her their darling, but the 313 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: Duke's forced exile had taken its toll on the Duchess's 314 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: mental health. She was terrified to make any wrong moves 315 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: and fear that the Duke would sent her away from 316 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: her children again, which had the inverse reaction of making 317 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: her somewhat of a recluse in the initial years after 318 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: her return. This behavior only compounded after a series of 319 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: recurring migraines, which escalated into severe swelling and ultimately lost 320 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: a vision in her right eye. The treatments done by 321 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: the doctors to attempt to salvage her vision verged on torture, 322 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: and along with residual chronic pain, Georgiana was left with 323 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: considerable scarring across her face. Upon her return, newspapers had 324 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: expected Georgiana to come back to the town with nude fervor, 325 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: but the combined trauma of her time away and the 326 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: physical repercussions of her illness paralyzed her into a life 327 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: now spent indoors. For months, she refused to see visitors, 328 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: but after so much time spent in isolation, the Duchess 329 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: finally began to slowly take her life back. The children 330 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: were steadily improving now that she had returned, and though 331 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: her illness had left her with substantial vision loss and 332 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: scarring on the upper half of her face, the imperfections 333 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: had an oddly liberating effect on her life. In a 334 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: letter she wrote two years after her illness, she wrote, quote, 335 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: I have learned, however, to love my age and not 336 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: be ashamed of it, and my illness perhaps was a 337 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: benefit in making me relinquish at once the ridiculous trade 338 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: of an old beauty end quote. After accepting her new appearance, 339 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: Georgana slowly began making her way back out into the world. 340 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: She actively took part in her eldest daughter's coming out 341 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: into society, but in the final years of her life, 342 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: her most significant role would be in the political sphere. 343 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: In her absence, the Whig Party had fallen well out 344 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: of power, its main players scattered as they each attempted 345 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: to push their own agendas to little avail. The Duchess 346 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: would become instrumental in hosting gatherings that brought together and 347 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: solidified alliances within the Whig Party for the first time 348 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: since their unforgettable loss in seventeen eighty four. Following the 349 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: turn of the century, Georgiana's health would steadily begin to decline, 350 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: but she was determined to bring the Whig Party back 351 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: to its former glory. In the end, she would live 352 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: long enough to see the Whigs finally come back into 353 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: power in eighteen o six, only to succumb to a 354 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: liver abscess a few weeks later. Georgiana passed away in 355 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: the early morning hours of March eighteen o six, with 356 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: Bess and the Duke both at her bedside. Her sister 357 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: wrote of her passing quote, I saw it all held 358 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: her through all her struggles saw her expire, and since 359 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: have again and again kissed her cold lips, and pressed 360 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: her lifeless body to my heart, and yet I am 361 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: alive and quote. For those closest to the Duchess, it 362 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: seemed impossible that the world could possibly continue to spin 363 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: onwards after the loss of such a titanic presence. Even 364 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: the Duke, whose emotional bandwidth had held previously little regard 365 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: to the well being of his wife, lamented her passing. 366 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: They may have had their differences, but for better or worse, 367 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: Georgiana had been a constant presence in his life, one 368 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: that he found himself longing for now that it was gone. 369 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: Of course, he still had best But in the wake 370 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: of their return from France, the Duke and Bess's relationship 371 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: never fully recovered from her quote betrayal of choosing Georgiana 372 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: over him. Initially, after her death, Bess and the Duke 373 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: went their separate ways, the Duke taking his children to 374 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: their Chiswick house, while Bess went to stay with Georgiana's sister, 375 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: and perhaps Georgiana had worried that after her death the 376 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: Duke would cast Bess out, because, whatever the reason, even 377 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: after she was gone, Georgana made certain Best would be 378 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: taken care of. One of Georgiana's final actions was choosing 379 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: Best to be the sole guardian of all of her 380 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: papers and correspondence, and whether it was intentional or not, 381 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: Bess's involvement in the goings on at Devonshire House solidified 382 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: her place there, even after all of Georgiana's papers had 383 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: been sorted. The Duke, after so many years attempting to 384 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: distance himself from Bess after Georgiana's exile, now found himself 385 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: increasingly reliant on Bess in the wake of his wife's death. Eventually, 386 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: in eighteen o nine, three years after Georgiana's passing, Bess 387 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: and the Duke finally married, and Bess finally became the 388 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: Duchess of Devonshire. And though Bess may have finally gotten 389 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: the title, she had so long been envious of. The 390 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: grief that she felt the loss of her best friend 391 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: was undoubtedly genuine. In a letter to her son written 392 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: just a few months after Georgiana's death, quote, she is 393 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: so present to me, and I am so constantly occupied 394 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: by her that I feel as if she was absent 395 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: on a journey. And I catch myself saying I'll tell 396 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: her this end quote. Bess ended the letter to her 397 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: son with a thought, no doubt shared by all of 398 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: London as they grieved the loss of their duchess. Quote. 399 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: Georgiana was the constant charm of my life. She doubled 400 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 1: every joy, lessened every grief. Her society had an attraction 401 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: I never met with in any other being. Her love 402 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: for me was really passing the love of woman. End 403 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: quote That marks the end of our two part series 404 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: on the tragedy life of Georgiana Cavendish, the Duchess of Devonshire. 405 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: But stick around after a brief sponsor break to hear 406 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about the legacy of Georgiana's lover, Earl Gray. 407 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: Charles Gray, the young romantic wig politician who won the 408 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: Duchess's heart, had not solely made it into our history 409 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: books just on his association with Georgiana Cavendish. Nor was 410 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: it because of his eventual rise to the office of 411 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: British Prime Minister. No, despite his important role in the 412 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: political sphere. Ironically, Gray's fame, his lasting fame, at least, 413 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: would come from perhaps the most British thing that you 414 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: can become famous for. T Following the death of his 415 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: father in eighteen oh seven, Charles inherited his father's title 416 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: Earl Gray. Yes, that Earl Gray. As is often the case, 417 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: there are conflicting theories as to the authenticity of the 418 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: ties between the Bergamot flavored black tea and the Earl. 419 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: Some say that the tea was given to him as 420 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: a gift by a Chinese man whose son was rescued 421 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: from drowning by one of Gray's men. The Twinings Tea 422 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: website claims that the Earl asked Richard Twining himself to 423 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: recreate the blend after quote he was presented with the 424 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: exquisite recipe by an envoy on his return from China. 425 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: In the end, like most of history's tall tales, the 426 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: details will likely remain lost to us. But the next 427 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: time you enjoy a cup of Earl Gray, maybe take 428 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: a moment to remember the man behind the tea or 429 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: the woman who loved him. Noble Blood is a production 430 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Mank. 431 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: Noble Blood is hosted by me Danishwortz. Additional writing and 432 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: researching done by Hannah Johnston, Hannah's Wick, Miura Hayward Courtney 433 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: Sunder and Laurie Goodman. The show is produced by rema 434 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: Il Kayali, with supervising producer Josh Thaine and executive producers 435 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Manky, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. For more podcasts 436 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: from I Heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, 437 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.