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Speaker 2: It is Sunday night, it is May third, the year

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Speaker 2: of our Lord, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Here we are in the middle of May quarantine season,

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot to get to tonight.

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Speaker 2: I have got I don't think it's a very well

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Speaker 2: kept secret anymore, So I'll just tell you I interviewed

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Speaker 2: urban Meyer for about twenty five thirty minutes Friday, and

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Speaker 2: we are going to play you a little clip of that.

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Speaker 1: Had a really good talk with him.

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Speaker 2: I'm not this wasn't some garden variety standard coach speak

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Speaker 2: style answers.

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Speaker 1: He gave some really good, in depth stuff.

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Speaker 2: I clipped a little bit of it, and Colin's going

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Speaker 2: to roll it for you a little bit later tonight. Also,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to lead the show in just a second

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Speaker 2: with some Ohio state a little bit different angle. But

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Speaker 2: also a lot of you have asked me, Hey, what

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Speaker 2: happened to all the stories? You were telling stories every show?

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Speaker 2: Whatever happened to him? Did you run out?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I didn't run out. We just had some other stuff

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Speaker 2: to get to. But tonight we had a nice opening

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Speaker 2: where I said, there's room for another story tonight, one

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Speaker 2: of those all access stories for those of you who

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Speaker 2: aren't familiar, just some observations that I've made going to

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Speaker 2: games and whatnot, and maybe behind the scenes stuff that

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Speaker 2: watching in the stands or on TV.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to get you want.

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Speaker 2: About the national championship game for the twenty sixteen season.

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Speaker 2: It was Bama versus Clemson, Part two. It was the

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Speaker 2: game they played in Tampa. It was the Hunter refro.

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Speaker 2: Depending on your perspective, pick game or just critical touchdown

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Speaker 2: with one second left in the go game. Again, all

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Speaker 2: depends on your perspective. But we had a good perspective

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Speaker 2: after the game. So I'm going to share that with

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Speaker 2: you tonight. And also we're going to hit some inbox.

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Speaker 2: I got a very interesting couple of questions on top

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Speaker 2: of what.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to later in the week.

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Speaker 2: And before I get into this, and I forget if

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Speaker 1: Well. Also, I included this week, starting this week.

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Speaker 1: Way too much talking, Let's get started here.

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Speaker 2: Ohio State's about to force a whole lot of change

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Speaker 2: in college football. Ohio State's about to force a whole

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Speaker 2: So for those of you who are not familiar, Ohio

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Speaker 2: Always maintained, whether it be Clemson in the ACC, Alabama

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Speaker 2: really solid work there. They've been the best program in

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Speaker 2: A philosophy that has proven right time and time again

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Speaker 2: is the sport does not just sit still. It may

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Speaker 2: So Ohio State's run a rushout over everyone on the

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Speaker 1: And I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Telling you that that's about to change by the year

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. What I am telling you is whether

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Speaker 2: it's Michigan, whether it's Penn State, and those are really

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Speaker 2: the two that I've focused most of my attention for

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Speaker 2: this little segment on.

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Speaker 1: Something's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: It's not always that it's going to yield positive results,

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Speaker 2: but change is going to happen by default.

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Speaker 1: Now here's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Domination leads to innovation in a lot of cases.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to get dominated before you innovate, and

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Speaker 2: that's the not so fun part of it. But domination

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Speaker 2: could lead to innovation. And if you'll notice, sometimes you

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Speaker 2: they don't need a giant to slay.

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Speaker 2: They have a standard that they work towards independent of

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Speaker 2: whatever's going on around them. But that's not how ninety

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Speaker 2: program cannot be made up entirely of one percenters. You

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Speaker 2: may have a coach like Ryan Day, for example, Nick Saban,

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Speaker 2: he's one of those. Your coach probably is a one

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Speaker 2: and that's what lights a fire under him. Well, in

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Speaker 2: the Big Ten's case, right now, Michigan's getting their tailkicked

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Speaker 2: This happened in the SEC for a while with Urban

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Speaker 2: and so what happens that's the question, what does it

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Speaker 2: a lot of times that at the time domination leads

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Speaker 1: So this has happened elsewhere. Okay, this is the blueprint.

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Speaker 2: If you're a Michigan fan, if you're a Penn State fan,

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma in the Big twelve, answers have already started to

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Speaker 2: be made in the SEC. That's why I'm not singling

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Speaker 2: out Alabama caused an SEC West team just won a

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Speaker 2: national championship. They don't reside in Tuscaloosa. There's one that's

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Speaker 2: doing really good in Athens, Georgia right now. There is

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Speaker 2: a sign of life out of Knoxville, Tennessee. More on

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Speaker 2: cause I'll make you a crazy prediction. I think flat

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Speaker 2: But I'm telling you there are seeds being planned right now.

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Speaker 2: Could be in an arbor Michigan, could be in Happy Valley,

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Speaker 2: are going to eventually have had enough of it, and

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Speaker 2: someone's going to either with the current coaching staff in

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Speaker 2: end up being better for having dealt with Ryan Day

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Speaker 2: in Ohio State. Now, just as sure as I tell

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Speaker 2: University of Tennessee did in the SEC in response to

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban, and they'll head out into the wilderness for

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Speaker 2: a decade.

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Speaker 1: Like that's going to happen to someone.

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Speaker 2: Just don't know who it is quite yet, but let's

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Speaker 2: talk about how great coaches they pull this off. Great

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Speaker 2: good coaches can turn around a program. The great ones,

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Speaker 2: they transcendent ones, the ones that will be on the

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Speaker 2: only do they turn around your program, they also impact

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Speaker 2: everyone else's program by default. Think about this, as I

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Speaker 2: to show you a clip of our big interview coming

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Speaker 2: with him tomorrow. But think about urban Meyer. He's at

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Speaker 2: comes calling. He comes to Gainesville and everyone I've told you,

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Speaker 2: I remember I told him in the interview that we did.

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Speaker 2: I said, everyone thought that you were gonna come down

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Speaker 2: here and you're going to get a taste of the SEC.

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Speaker 1: But then the SEC got a taste of view. But

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Speaker 2: Ripple effect when urban Meyer got here, because they started winning.

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Speaker 1: Didn't take long. They started winning.

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Speaker 2: They had a fierce recruiting battle with Alabama for a

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Speaker 2: kid named Tim Tebow from Nice High School in Florida

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Speaker 2: at the time mispronounced nice by about fifty percent of

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Speaker 2: the population. He lands Tebow and what happens as a result.

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Speaker 2: What if Alabama were to have landed Tim Tebow? They didn't, Okay,

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Speaker 2: got Mike Schula there without Tim Tebow, and it's not

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Speaker 2: too long before Alabama has to make a move. Now,

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Speaker 2: Alabama was feeling pressure from a multitude of different directions.

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Speaker 2: But Alabama had a pretty darn good year in five

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Speaker 2: Had they landed Tim Tebow, would that have kept the

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Speaker 2: boat steady enough to where Mike Shula may not get fired?

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Speaker 2: And Nick Saban he's down with the Dolphins. Maybe he

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Speaker 2: comes back to college, maybe he doesn't, But who's to

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Speaker 2: say that he doesn't go elsewhere. That's one way urban

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Speaker 2: Meyer impacted things. But also urban Meyer was impacted by

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban coming to Alabama. If we're really being honest

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Speaker 2: Not only did Nick Saban turn Alabama around, Look what

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban did to the likes of Tennessee, where Phil

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Speaker 2: go down there. I think he paid for our gas

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Speaker 2: and got us a hotel room, and that was out

439
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,880
Speaker 2: of some emergency fund that I didn't even know existed.

440
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 2: So we go down there, and I want to tell

441
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Speaker 2: you about this game. So this was the one in Tampa.

442
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,639
Speaker 2: This is Alabama Clemson Part two. Think about this. I

443
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,440
Speaker 2: did some research just to make sure I was right.

444
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,400
Speaker 2: This Alabama team was so loaded. This Alabama team was insane.

445
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 2: It's probably one of the best teams you'll ever see

446
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Speaker 2: to not win a national championship. Their coaching staff, this

447
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 2: is not that long ago, guys. Nick Saban's obviously the

448
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 2: head coach. Lane Kiffin is your offensive coordinator who gets

449
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 2: fired the week of the game. This is not a day,

450
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 2: it's not the spring game. It's a national championship game.

451
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin was fired. Jeremy Prewitt, current head coach at Tennessee,

452
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Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator on this team. Mario Christobal, current head

453
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Speaker 2: coach at Oregon, is the offensive line coach on this team.

454
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Speaker 2: Billy Napier, current head coach at Louisiana UL Lafayette, is

455
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Speaker 2: the wide receivers coach. Mike Loxley is not even on

456
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Speaker 2: the field. Mike Loxley is the head coach at Maryland

457
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Speaker 2: right now. He was just an analyst. Steve Sarkisian, who

458
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 2: is their offensive coordinator now former head coach, he was

459
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 2: just an analyst who didn't know it, but he was

460
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 2: about to be thrust into the offensive coordinator cheer because

461
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Speaker 2: Kiffin got fired. So you have all that Kiffin drama

462
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 2: that's like the week leading up to the game, and

463
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Speaker 2: meanwhile there's Clemson. Clemson was not this unstoppable rebel force

464
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Speaker 2: in that season that we have come to know them

465
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Speaker 2: as now.

466
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Speaker 1: They paint the walls with everyone's blood.

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Speaker 2: In the regular season, maybe one close call against NC State,

468
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Speaker 2: but remember this year for Clemson. They faced Auburn at

469
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Speaker 2: home and they won nineteen to thirteen. They sack Jarrett,

470
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Speaker 2: stood him eleven times. That game, they faced Troy, they

471
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Speaker 2: won thirty to twenty four. Troy almost upset them in Clemson.

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Speaker 2: NC State took him to over time. They beat NC State,

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Speaker 2: They went to Florida State. This was a game I

474
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Speaker 2: was on the field for. They went to Florida State

475
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Speaker 2: and they finally beat Florida State thirty seven thirty four.

476
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Speaker 2: That was a pretty charged atmosphere. And then they end

477
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Speaker 2: up losing to pit forty three to forty two. But

478
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Speaker 2: then they beat Virginia Tech in the ACC title game,

479
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Speaker 2: and they have a month to get ready for Ohio

480
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Speaker 2: State and they crush Ohio State thirty one to nothing.

481
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Speaker 2: And so this began that whole streak of Clemson peaking

482
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Speaker 2: at the right time. Well this is when they really

483
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Speaker 2: started doing that. And so here we go Clemson versus Alabama,

484
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 2: crazy game, back and forth.

485
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Speaker 1: Both Scarborough breaks his leg in the middle of the game.

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Speaker 2: I think Alabama had like six or seven straight possessions

487
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Speaker 2: of three and out because they really look dominant early on.

488
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Speaker 1: Clemson ends up coming back.

489
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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts rips off a touchdown run with under two

490
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Speaker 2: minutes to go, runs like right towards me, got a

491
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Speaker 2: really good shot of it that I don't know where

492
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Speaker 2: that is now, and it looks like we just saw

493
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Speaker 2: Alabama clinch back to back national championships. And then there

494
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Speaker 2: goes to Shaun Watson boom boom boom, boom boom down

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Speaker 2: the field. You know the story. One second left, there's

496
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Speaker 2: Hunter Renfro where's the defender. He's probably on the ground.

497
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Speaker 2: Who is that Tony Brown? I think on the ground.

498
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Speaker 2: So you know how that happened. I don't need to

499
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Speaker 2: argue whether that was a pig play or not. It

500
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Speaker 2: was a very, very incredible moment for Clemson. I'll get

501
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Speaker 2: to Clemson in a second. Here's the post game. Here's

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Speaker 2: what you don't see on TV. I have been around, obviously,

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Speaker 2: a lot of big games. I've been at a lot

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Speaker 2: of Alabama big games, Georgia, all.

505
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Speaker 1: These SEC teams, Clemson, Ohio State.

506
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Speaker 2: So I've been around a lot of big games and

507
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Speaker 2: seen teams lose and in these settings. And I'm not

508
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Speaker 2: necessarily a supporter of this, but I do it because

509
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Speaker 2: I have to. They open the locker rooms, these college

510
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Speaker 2: locker rooms, pro locker rooms, open them all day long.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I've never thought college locker.

512
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Speaker 2: Room should be open period. Beat reporters will fight me

513
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Speaker 2: on this, but I don't care. If they need to

514
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Speaker 2: increase your availability for players outside of the locker room,

515
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Speaker 2: so be it. I've never been a believer in us

516
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Speaker 2: being in a college locker room, but we're in there.

517
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Speaker 2: And so the scene in the Alabama locker room. Let

518
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: me tell you, folks do good enough to keep it

519
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Speaker 2: together when they are on the field, including this man,

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban.

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Speaker 1: If you're watching that team, those two teams, the fifteen

522
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Speaker 1: and sixteen teams. Saban loved him.

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Speaker 2: He had more drama on his coaching staff than he

524
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Speaker 2: did with his team. Loved those teams because they policed themselves.

525
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Speaker 2: These were those teams would like the year before Ashawn

526
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Speaker 2: Robinson and Jaron Reid and this team, this was the

527
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Speaker 2: one Jonathan Allen came back on. You had Minka Fitzpatrick

528
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Speaker 2: on that team, Ronnie Harrison, just a loaded team that

529
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Speaker 2: comes and found a way to win against and all

530
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Speaker 2: those guys in that locker room, tiers all over the place,

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Speaker 2: coaching staff, same way. I don't think I've ever seen

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Speaker 2: I've been in locker rooms after national championships. Never in

533
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Speaker 2: my life have I seen a group as collectively distraught

534
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Speaker 2: as Alabama was. Just some guys who you would never

535
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Speaker 2: see in a million years like that in public. This

536
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: is one of the reasons why I'm a believer media

537
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: has no place in a locker.

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Speaker 1: Room after a game, but we were in there. I

539
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: didn't shoot it.

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Speaker 2: I don't name names, I don't do all that, but

541
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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you it was a surreal scene. So

542
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Speaker 2: then I jet it down the tunnel and I go

543
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: over to Clemson and because the losers go do their press,

544
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,239
Speaker 2: availability first team that loses does their press avails, and

545
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: while the winning teams out on the field and confetti's

546
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: raining down on them, so obviously they're way behind. So

547
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Speaker 2: I go down there as Dabbo and the players are

548
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 2: slowly coming off the field. Here's what struck me the

549
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Speaker 2: most about Clemson. So the Tigers are coming off the

550
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: field bit by bit. It was so easy to tell

551
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: who had been with that organization for ten years plus

552
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: and who had just been hired in the last few years.

553
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Speaker 2: Maybe the folks who had been hired recently, the folks

554
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Speaker 2: who were recent arrivals there, they.

555
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Speaker 1: Were jubilant, man, they were jumping up and down. The

556
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Speaker 1: folks who had paid their dues and been there a

557
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Speaker 1: long time.

558
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Speaker 2: They had been there when you know, they were getting

559
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: smoked seven need a thirty one or whatever it was

560
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: in the Orange Bowl when they couldn't catch a break

561
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: and beat Florida State to save their lives. When people questioned,

562
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Speaker 2: who Dabbo Swenny is much less? Can he get the

563
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: job done? Those folks were in tears and just kind

564
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: of hugging each other and sobbing amongst themselves. Tears of joy, obviously,

565
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 2: but those folks it meant something totally different to them

566
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Speaker 2: than it did the folks, including the players. In some

567
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Speaker 2: cases a lot of those players had not been around

568
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Speaker 2: for that. But those staffers, that's what stands out to

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Speaker 2: me the most, those Clemson staffers, administrative types, sid and

570
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: departments and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Those folks, man, it meant the world to them.

572
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Speaker 2: But it wasn't until that moment that they finally shook

573
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Speaker 2: that whole clemsoning tag. Because they lost to Obama the

574
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: year before, they lost a pitt in this year and

575
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: looked for all the world like.

576
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Speaker 1: They were gonna get close but not get it done again.

577
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Speaker 2: And then Daboswenny got it done, and now they changed

578
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Speaker 2: the entire game.

579
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Speaker 1: And now there it is, lo and behold.

580
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Speaker 2: Instead of talking about how that team will ever get

581
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Speaker 2: over the hump, now all of a sudden they're this

582
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Speaker 2: standard bearer or at the very least a one, A

583
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: one B, whatever you want to call him in the sport.

584
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 2: And now it's it's gone from will they ever get

585
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: over the hump?

586
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: To will anyone ever catch them?

587
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: In the acc We were just talking about Ohio State

588
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: earlier Sport's not going to sit still forever for Clemson.

589
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: The ACC is not going to sit still forever for Clemson. However,

590
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 2: it's going to take a monumental task for anybody to

591
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Speaker 2: mount a challenge over there.

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Speaker 1: And who is it? You always think, well, it's got

593
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Speaker 1: to be Miami.

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Speaker 2: If it's not going to be Miami, it's got to

595
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Speaker 2: be Florida State. Well, for my money, North Carolina looks

596
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Speaker 2: like they're doing the best job of closing the gap

597
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: right now.

598
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Speaker 1: And by gap, I mean Grand Canyon. But you understand

599
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Maybe Mike Norvell is that guy. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Manny Diez as that guy. Maybe Fuente is that guy.

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Speaker 1: So the other day, what was our last show, Colin?

602
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Speaker 1: Our last show was Thursday?

603
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Speaker 2: On Thursday, I did something that I should have known

604
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Speaker 2: better than to do. I did a segment on the

605
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Speaker 2: show where I talked about how star ratings do matter

606
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Speaker 2: context briefly, for those of you who missed it. So

607
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: what happened was the night of the NFL Draft. Why

608
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: not Fox Sports College Football tweets out this graphic where

609
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: they're showing you, by high school star rating, how many

610
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Speaker 2: kids were taken in the NFL Draft.

611
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Speaker 1: Relative to what they were rated coming out of high school.

612
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: And there were and don't quote me on this, but

613
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Speaker 2: I believe this is right. There were, according to their graphic,

614
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: fifteen kids taken in the NFL draft who were former

615
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: five star recruits, and there were seventy seven kids taken

616
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: in the draft who were former four star recruits, which

617
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: leads them to say, doesn't matter, doesn't matter what you

618
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: rated in high school, which, of course is a garbage take.

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Speaker 2: And it's I don't even blame Fox Sports College Football

620
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: because a vast majority of their on air talent dismissed

621
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Speaker 2: the tweet from their own organization.

622
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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt and the like pretty quickly.

623
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Speaker 2: They knew it was a trash take, probably some high

624
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Speaker 2: school intern that was given the keys to the Twitter

625
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: account for the night. Anyway, So I came on the

626
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: show and I said, there is this misconception that, oh,

627
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Speaker 2: if you're a three star you could still play in

628
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Speaker 2: the NFL. Of course you can. If you're a no

629
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Speaker 2: star you can play in the NFL. It's about data

630
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: and percentages. There's a big gap between it's impossible to

631
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: be drafted as a former three star versus well, you're

632
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: just as likely to be drafted as a former three

633
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Speaker 2: star as you are as a former five star.

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Speaker 1: Of course, that's not true.

635
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Speaker 2: This industry, the recruiting industry, has evolved so much over

636
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Speaker 2: the years. I want you to pay close attention. In

637
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: just a second, I'm gonna have Colin play you something.

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Speaker 2: Back in the day, let's say, twenty years ago, year

639
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Speaker 2: two thousand, National Signing Day, coaches used to routinely take

640
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: shots at this industry, and they used to routinely take

641
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: shots at recruiting rankings, star ratings.

642
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: You notice they don't do that a whole lot anymore.

643
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: There may be one here and there, but you notice

644
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: the higher level head coaches they don't do it anymore.

645
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: And when they do reference starts. What they're doing is

646
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Speaker 2: what I did on the show the other night, And

647
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: they're referring to star ratings.

648
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: In the context of a star rating.

649
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 2: Isn't everything that goes into making a great player. But see,

650
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Speaker 2: I know everyone on the rankings council here at twenty

651
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Speaker 2: four to seven Sports.

652
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: Guess what.

653
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Speaker 2: None of them would suggest anything otherwise they know good

654
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Speaker 2: and well. What we have here is we have based

655
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Speaker 2: on the data available, based on the measurables available, the

656
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: film available, the camp settings and performances available. You've got

657
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: a best guess at what a kid's going to be

658
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: at the college level. That's all it is. What it's not,

659
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: as I said the other night, and I knew it

660
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: would be ignored by the All Caps crew that comes

661
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: into the comment section. What it's not is a psychological evaluation.

662
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: What it's not is a predictor of whether you'll suffer

663
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: catastrophic injury at the next level. It's not how well

664
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: you'll transition socially from high school to college. Basically, there

665
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: are a bunch of things, even if you're the most

666
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: talented player in the history of high school, that could

667
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: trip you up and cause you to not pan out

668
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: at the college level. That has nothing to do with

669
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: your star rating. So understanding what a recruiting ranking is

670
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: and what it isn't was the context of the other

671
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: night That was missed because as soon as I posted

672
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: the video again in the All Caps You're while you

673
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: are an idiot, that crew comes in and says, oh,

674
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: star ratings don't matter. Let me give you this go

675
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: to example from a player in twenty sixteen who was

676
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: a three star that went on to be an All American.

677
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: That's great, guys. We're talking about percentages and data. We're

678
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: not talking about outliers. You're in the exception. We're talking

679
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: rule here, and the rule is our Bud Elliott did

680
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: a phenomenal feature where again he didn't include his emotion.

681
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: There was no opinion, there were no feelings. It was

682
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: just raw data. And you know what the data said.

683
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: Your odds of being a first round draft selection in

684
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty NFL Draft if you were a former

685
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: five star rated.

686
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: Recruit was one in five.

687
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: Your odds as a four star were something like one

688
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: in twenty ish three stars, like one in one hundred something.

689
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: So exponentially the numbers went down. Didn't say it's impossible.

690
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: It just said, yes, star ratings very much do matter.

691
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: But I said, you know what, So I was on

692
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: the phone with urban Meyer the next day. I don't

693
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: believe in name dropping, obviously, but I was on the

694
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Speaker 2: phone with urban Meyer the next day.

695
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Speaker 1: I know for a fact urban Meyer used to check

696
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: this stuff all the time. I know it. So I say,

697
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: you want to do an interview tomorrow? He says, yeah,

698
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: I'll do one.

699
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: So we got him on and I asked him amongst

700
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: a number of other things that you're going to see

701
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: in the full interview when we debut it tomorrow. I

702
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: actually you don't need to know what I said, because

703
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: I think with the video Colin cut, you'll see the

704
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: question I ask. I want you to notice what urban

705
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: Meyer says here and what he doesn't say, and then

706
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: we'll talk about it on the back end roller Colin, I've.

707
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Speaker 1: Been interested in in my line of work. I work

708
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: at twenty four to seven Sports.

709
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm not on the recruiting rankings council, but yet I

710
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: observe the process and how meticulous they try and be,

711
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: and how thorough they try and be. And you'll get

712
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: coaches on the record and they'll tell you I don't

713
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: pay attention to recruiting rankings whatsoever. But then I'll talk

714
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: to them off the record. I'll hear them off the record,

715
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: and they're perfectly aware of where they're rated. They're perfectly

716
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: aware of how many stars their signees had. I'm certainly

717
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: not asking you if you use that in lieu of

718
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: your own evaluations, but from maybe a curiosity standpoint.

719
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Speaker 1: When you were a coach Ohio State Florida, you take

720
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: such a bowling Green.

721
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: Were you aware of where your players were rated, and

722
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: were you kind of aware of how that recruiting ranking

723
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: hierarchy was standing.

724
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Speaker 3: I don't want to speak for other coaches, but they're

725
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: telling you they're not paying attention. I would say they're

726
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: probably not telling the truth, you know. I, of course, now,

727
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: I would always study that as a matter of fact

728
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: every day, and I went to your site two four

729
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: seven sport and it said class rankings, and I would

730
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: hit that and I always knew exactly who the rival

731
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: was recruiting and teams you were going to play. And

732
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: of course it's not exact science, but you know what

733
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: you guys do a pretty good job.

734
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Speaker 1: Is it exact?

735
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: No, of course not. Joe Burrow wasn't highly ranked, and

736
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think who else, Mike Thomas and you know,

737
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 3: some of these other players that became Darren Lee. I'm

738
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: not sure when it was ranked, so, of course not.

739
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Speaker 2: No.

740
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Speaker 3: I think recruiting has become big time business. The fact

741
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: that your fan base follows it, and the fact is

742
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: you're keeping score. As I've always said many many times,

743
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: as long as we're keeping score, we're going to go

744
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: try to win this thing. And we've tried to win recruiting,

745
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: But did we ever make a decision because you had

746
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: a guy ranked higher than or a service had a

747
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: guy ranked higher than us. No, And I'd be shocked

748
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: if a coach said, we're going to take him because

749
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: it will enhance our standings. However, I'll tell you this,

750
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: I probably over the years, I've found a couple dozen

751
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: players because I wasn't aware of them until I sit

752
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: checked the recruiting sites and I was like, wait a minute,

753
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: who's this guy? And we jumped in the middle of it,

754
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: and sometimes we got it, and it was all because

755
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: we didn't know, you know, just because one fell through

756
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: the crack somewhere and we took a swing out.

757
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Speaker 1: You guys heard that right, do visited the side every

758
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: day anyway, Get the marketing out of the way.

759
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: So what did he not say. What he didn't say is, oh,

760
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: we solely relied on that. Of course not that would

761
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: be asinine. And even if he did. First off, he

762
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't be successful. That that's all he did. And secondly,

763
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: if he ever did it, I would expect him to

764
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 2: admit it.

765
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: But here's what he did say. He's very aware of it.

766
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 2: He was constantly looking at it and perusing it because

767
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: of really a bunch of things. But let me give

768
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: you two things that people in this industry have known

769
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: for a while. I haven't even been since in this

770
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: industry that long, but I've been outside of it observing it,

771
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: and even I've known it because people inside coaching circles

772
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: talk about it.

773
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: They don't get to talk.

774
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: To players legally nearly as much as people in our

775
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: line of work do. Therefore, it greatly behooves them to

776
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: have a nice relationship with people in our line of work. Secondly,

777
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: because in some cases, Barton Simmons has more access and

778
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: more communication with a kid, or Steve Wilfong has more

779
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: communication with a kid than a head coach. Does you

780
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: want to know where that head coach goes? Where would

781
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: you go? What I'd do is I'd pull up that

782
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: Wilfong recruiting whip around that he and I are about

783
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: to record tomorrow morning and we'll release Tuesday, and I'd

784
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: be checking that out and I'd be seeing what the

785
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 2: latest scoop is here and there.

786
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: There's also a competition factor.

787
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: You can't tout the fact that you finished top five

788
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: in recruiting last year on all your promotional graphics and

789
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 2: then say you don't care about recruiting rankings.

790
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: That's pretty hypocritical. But it was a really good interview

791
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: with him.

792
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: We're going to release the full thing tomorrow morning at

793
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: nine eastern, eight am Central.

794
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: He was really good. Took like twenty twenty five minutes

795
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: with us. It was really really good.

796
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 2: So some of the other things, by the way, because

797
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 2: I saw a couple of people who saw the tweet earlier,

798
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 2: they were asking. I got him to go deep about

799
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: Ryan Day, about Ohio State's recruiting class right now, talked

800
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: about some mistakes that he made at Florida, talked about

801
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: what he didn't like when he left Florida, what he

802
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: saw Will mus Champi and that staff doing. He was

803
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: very open, very candid about that. Talked about the difference

804
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 2: in climbing versus sustaining when you're at the top, one

805
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: of the hardest things in the world and one of

806
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: the hardest things in college football to do, and the

807
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: lessons he learned about that. So he gave us a

808
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: whole lot of good stuff.

809
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: So that'll be.

810
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: Tomorrow morning, But I just wanted you to listen, as

811
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: folks will tell you stuff doesn't matter. You got one

812
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: of the most successful head coach is there of all time. Say,

813
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: I checked it out every morning. But what's good enough

814
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: for Urban Meyer is not necessarily always good enough for

815
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: those in the YouTube comment section. Let's get to questions tonight.

816
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: This is the question. We might as well just loop it.

817
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: It's like a replay one hundred of you. I didn't

818
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: even single out one because like one hundred of you

819
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: asked thoughts on Tennessee's latest commitment. Am I talking about

820
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: the one from Thursday?

821
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: Nope? Am I talking about the one from last Sunday? Nope?

822
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: Got two more today May third, Yeah, got two more

823
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: of them today. Cody Brown's a four star running back

824
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: out of Georgia. Guys, Forginner commit to Tennessee, you better

825
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: hurry up because it's filling up pretty quick. So they

826
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: got a four star running ba out of Georgia. I

827
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: got a three star defensive back to Shaun Rucker out

828
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 2: of Florida, And I want to talk about the running

829
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: back just for a second, Cody Brown. You notice this

830
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: is a kid out of Georgia, six foot, two hundred

831
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 2: and twenty five pounds, the Evans Kid. The Juco running

832
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: back who's out of South Carolina. They got the other

833
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: day two hundred and twenty five pounds. These guys don't

834
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: exactly fit the description of what you would call a scatback.

835
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: I think it's the obvious what kind of team Jeremy

836
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: Prewitt's trying to build.

837
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: And I don't.

838
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: Necessarily know that you have to have any futuristic blueprint

839
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: to understand what they're trying to do. I think they

840
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: believe and I've believed this about Tennessee. I've talked about

841
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: this for a couple of years now. They don't need

842
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: to be some special preparation. They don't need to do

843
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: what maybe Mike Leach at Mississippi State will have to do.

844
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: Tennessee can get the best of the best.

845
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: There was this I don't know where this came from,

846
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: but people have thought just because they've been down for

847
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: a while, they've lost the ability to recruit and have

848
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: an elite roster. They never lost that, Like, what are

849
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: you talking about? Had I taken Nick Saban and put

850
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: him in Knoxville? Had I taken Davos Swiney and done it?

851
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: Ryan Day, Lincoln Riley, if Mario Christaballs at Tennessee and

852
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 2: Jeremy Prut's doing it right now.

853
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: They'll have an elite roster.

854
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: What was keeping them from having an elite roster was

855
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: having an elite head coach, an elite coaching staff.

856
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: I think that's plain as day.

857
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: You can get into Carolinas in Georgia, South Florida, Alabama, Texas, Tennessee, Ohio.

858
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: They can go wherever they want to for kids, they

859
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: got a lot to sell. Believe me, the Tennessee brand

860
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: still sells now. You weren't going to be able to

861
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: suck water through a garden host for another decade and

862
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 2: still sell anything, because at that point, folks who remember

863
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: you winning a national championship are starting to qualify for retirement.

864
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: But right now, Tennessee's got a lot going for him,

865
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: and most importantly, they kicked a snowball down the hill

866
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: a little bit in recruiting, and now they've got that

867
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: fabled momentum that everyone wants. Well they've actually got it.

868
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: So hats off to Jeremy Pruitt. I don't think it's

869
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: going to stop. You're learning the names on that recruiting

870
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: staff right now that a lot of folks in Knoxville

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Speaker 2: have already been excited about. Now you're learning those names.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you'll forget him anytime soon. Quentin on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna read it right off the screen here. You

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Speaker 2: he's talking about me. You talk about how there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of teams that think they're fully invested, but they aren't.

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Speaker 2: How does a school become fully invested when they aren't

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Speaker 2: hitting all the tens? And he's talking about checking all

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Speaker 2: the boxes, peaking all the meters as we like to say,

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Speaker 2: what are the steps that Missouri or Vanderbilt could take?

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Speaker 1: Is what I'm asking. These are interesting questions.

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Speaker 2: If we're realistic, there is no step that Vanderbilt football

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Speaker 2: is going to take to match Alabama football, Georgia football,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. They can do what James like. James Franklin

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Speaker 2: clicked as many tens at Vanderbilt rather as you probably can,

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Speaker 2: and as a result, he got a big time job.

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Speaker 2: That's just the state of affairs at Vanderbilt. They don't

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Speaker 2: care about football enough to invest to the degree that

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Speaker 2: you have to. If I'm telling you there are some

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Speaker 2: high school facilities better than the facilities they have a

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Speaker 2: Vanderbilt right now, that's not out of my mouth. That's

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Speaker 2: out of the mouth of a lot of people who

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Speaker 2: have been there and a lot of coaches who have

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Speaker 2: gone through there. So Missouri a little bit different story.

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Speaker 2: Here's what Missouri has to do. Missouri has to understand

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Speaker 2: what Columbia Missouri means geographically, and that means a whole

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Speaker 2: lot harder time getting into Georgia than the University of

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Speaker 2: Georgia has getting in there, or maybe a border state

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Speaker 2: like Auburn or Alabama, Tennessee, et cetera. So I don't

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Speaker 2: as much as I believe Tennessee can do it anyway

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Speaker 2: they want to. They can, Tennessee can recruit any kind

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Speaker 2: of roster they want to. Missouri can't mean Missouri can't win,

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Speaker 2: or it doesn't mean they can't win. It means they

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Speaker 2: have to win in special preparation ways. They have to

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Speaker 2: construct themselves in a manner that they are unique unto

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Speaker 2: what Alabama does, Auburn does, a and m does, Georgia does.

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Speaker 2: And by that I mean make themselves a circle on

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Speaker 2: that helmet grid schedule that you print out every year.

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Speaker 2: You need to look at Missouri. If they're fully invested now,

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Speaker 2: Missouri would look to you in twenty twenty like Oregon

910
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Speaker 2: used to look on a PAC twelve schedule in twenty ten.

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Speaker 2: When you play Oregon, you knew under Chip Kelly you

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Speaker 2: were going to face a brand of football totally unique

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Speaker 2: to anything else you saw all year. That's what Missouri

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Speaker 2: has to be to give themselves a shot to contend

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Speaker 2: in the SEC when you have as many goliaths as

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Speaker 2: you do in this conference. Right now, Shelby asked a question.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Shelby, let me circle that. I'm gonna

918
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Speaker 2: get to that when on Thursday night, because I actually

919
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Speaker 2: have a couple of elements that I want Colin to

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Speaker 2: use on that. I guess what I'm telling you is

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Speaker 2: we're done now, remember not quite done. Got one more

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Speaker 2: housekeeping note. Remember if you tuned in late we are

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Speaker 2: doing the Late Kick Extra podcast. I'm recording it every Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: and I'm taking as many of your comments as possible

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Speaker 2: and I'm answering as many questions on.

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Speaker 1: There as possible.

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Speaker 2: We had a great show, had really good feedback, good

928
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Speaker 2: traffic on it. Tony tells me, with our first one

929
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Speaker 2: is our first venture last Wednesday, So go listen to

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Speaker 2: that if you haven't already. Give us five star review

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Speaker 2: and write a review for us. But right below the

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Speaker 2: YouTube video, whether you're listening live now or you're watching

933
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Speaker 2: the replay, there is a penned comment from me or

934
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Speaker 2: the twenty four to seven Sports account. That is where

935
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Speaker 2: to post your questions for the podcast. You can also

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Speaker 2: tweet them at me at late Kick Josh. You can

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Speaker 2: email them to me Josh pat seven zero six at

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Speaker 2: gmail dot com. So we'll get to that on Wednesday.

939
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Speaker 2: That'll be when that gets released. We'll be right back

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Speaker 2: with you live again Thursday. As for now, after that,

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Speaker 2: Durray moved through earlier today. Look that up weather, nerds.

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Speaker 1: We're finally going to be able to drive home and

943
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Speaker 1: hopefully have power here in Nashville. It's been a great weather.

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Speaker 2: Here so far in Nashville. Phenomena postcard. So we appreciate

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Speaker 2: you joining us tonight. We'll be back here Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: Podcast drops tomorrow morning, Wednesday morning.

947
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Speaker 1: And Friday morning. That's our full schedule. Have a great night,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the Bulls documentary.

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Speaker 2: You got about twenty or so odd minutes until that

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Speaker 2: airs and we are out of here.

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Speaker 1: We will see you Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: Take care