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Speaker 1: When do we have Crystal? Indeed, we do actually a

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Speaker 1: lot going on in this holiday week, some fairly significant

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Speaker 1: We will tell you why and read on all of that.

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Speaker 1: We also have Breann and Joy Gray in the show

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Speaker 1: start with that tragedy in Wakesha, Wisconsin. We mentioned it

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Speaker 1: just getting details now we know so far the death

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Speaker 1: Just an absolutely horrific tragedy. Here's what the police chief

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Speaker 1: And what you see here is a tremendous misfire obviously

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Speaker 1: going to cause some questions around how exactly that election happened,

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Speaker 1: It's like an actually involved in electing district attorneys people

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Speaker 1: saw that massive disparity is because of the FED. This

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Speaker 1: is not really meant to be a criticism now because

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Speaker 1: they use the tools, right, but they use the tools

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Speaker 1: that were at their disposal to try to stem what

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Speaker 1: looked to be, you know, a catastrophic crisis. Now, the

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Speaker 1: question is, you have all of these assets now on

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Speaker 1: the FED balance sheet over years and decades, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: They have to unwind this and that's where who ends

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Speaker 1: up being in charge of the FED is going to

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Speaker 1: be really important and really really significant. So That's why

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Speaker 1: I say, you know so much of what we see

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Speaker 1: happening in our economy, some of the things that you

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Speaker 1: know you're looking at your go how does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: How does it make sense that the stock market is

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Speaker 1: so high when so many people are suffering. The FED

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Speaker 1: is at the center of a lot of that. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, the negative, the downside of the actions

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Speaker 1: that they took during this crisis is now every corporation,

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Speaker 1: every hedge, every private they all know that if this

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Speaker 1: happens again, the Fed's gonna bail them out. You can

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Speaker 1: undo it. And so you know this. It used to

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Speaker 1: be they understood, okay, the stock market is going to

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Speaker 1: be propped up by the FED. Now it's okay. Everything

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Speaker 1: is basically going to be backstop by the Fed. They

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Speaker 1: are not going to let us go under no matter what.

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Speaker 1: And so that is the negative effect of the dramatic

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Speaker 1: and unprecedented programs that were put into place. I just

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Speaker 1: want to give credit. Christopher Leonard has a new book

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Speaker 1: coming out in January. We should definitely have them on,

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Speaker 1: called The Lords of Easy Money. He's got an exert

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Speaker 1: out that breaks down some of these extraordinary actions that

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Speaker 1: were taking It's some Fortune magazine, but extremely significant that

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Speaker 1: he was picked. Let's just throw this Politico tearsheet up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. There has been some objections from the left,

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Speaker 1: in particular Elizabeth Warren and AOC. I think I've led

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Speaker 1: the charge on this to Powell's renomination. Now their complaints

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Speaker 1: are around. He took some actions under the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: to roll back some of the Dodd Frank banking regulations.

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Speaker 1: They feel he hasn't done enough with regards to some

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Speaker 1: of the tools they could use is to combat climate change.

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Speaker 1: But I would submit that the bigger questions here are

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Speaker 1: about how they unwind this massive balance sheet that the

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Speaker 1: FED now has. Yeah. No, that's a really excellent summary,

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Speaker 1: and it's important for people like you said, to understand this,

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Speaker 1: which is that of all the institutions of the government,

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Speaker 1: the FED probably has the most impact on your life.

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Speaker 1: They can literally induce a recession or not. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: that's why who's in charge and what they perceive their

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Speaker 1: mandate to be, as in, is it interest rate and employment,

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Speaker 1: is it employment over interstrate or is it a balance

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Speaker 1: of both? Matters extraordinarily to your life. The unwinding of that,

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Speaker 1: I would also say, and I hear that criticism a

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Speaker 1: lot from the AOC Warren people. Listen, I mean the

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Speaker 1: real thing, the real problem is that we don't have

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Speaker 1: the same backstops for ordinary people. Yes, I think at

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Speaker 1: the height of the crisis, I even talked about this.

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Speaker 1: There are different things that you could kick in automatic

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Speaker 1: stabilizers like stimulus checks and more. If the unemployment rate

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Speaker 1: drops to ten percent or something. There's an easy way

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Speaker 1: to do it. Just we can set up a FED

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Speaker 1: for normal people. We could easily do it because Congress

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Speaker 1: has the power of the purse. That's why the Fed's

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Speaker 1: not allowed to inject money to you, because then it

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Speaker 1: would be real. They would be creating money that actually

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Speaker 1: goes on your sheet into that only Congress is allowed

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Speaker 1: to do that. That's the problem. Yeah, that's right. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Congress has failed. And so the fact that you know

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Speaker 1: you and this was disgusting to see that automatically when

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Speaker 1: there was a crisis, for the rich people, there was

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Speaker 1: a fig they got bailed out, they got bailed own,

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Speaker 1: there was no friction. I mean, it literally happened overnight,

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Speaker 1: whereas for everybody else, good frickin' luck. And that's that

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Speaker 1: actually is the real problem here. Okay, speaking of the

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Speaker 1: fantastically wealthy, the unfair, and so much A great scoop

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Speaker 1: from and I want to make sure I say his

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Speaker 1: name correctly. From Teddy Schleifer over at Puck News, which

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Speaker 1: is a new outlet. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen. Teddy uncovered that Jeff Bezos has now given

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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars to the Obama Foundation. It is

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Speaker 1: the single largest philanthropic donation of its kind in terms

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Speaker 1: of presidential libraries. And according to Teddy's reporting, the one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollar donation was midwife by j Carney, Bezos's

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Speaker 1: political Shirpra and the former Obama press secretary. Before Obama's

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Speaker 1: press secretary, he worked for one Joseph R. Biden as

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Speaker 1: his press secretary. So here's where it stands right now.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos the richest man in America, well, second richest.

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Speaker 1: I guess if you count Elon Muskstock. So let's let's

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Speaker 1: say Jeff Bezos, the second richest man in the world,

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Speaker 1: worth over one hundred something billion dollars, just gave one

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Speaker 1: hundred million to the former president of the United States

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Speaker 1: his presidential library. He was like, I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: named after John Lewis, you know, out of the kindness

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Speaker 1: of his heart, of course, because that's how why allow

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Speaker 1: people give people significant amounts of money. The singlet single

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Speaker 1: largest donation to the entire Obama Foundation and to the

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Speaker 1: Obama Library, and it was brokeered specifically by j Carney,

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Speaker 1: a former Barack Obama Press secretary and with close ties

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Speaker 1: to the Biden administration. I remember the most extraordinary thing

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Speaker 1: that happened during the campaign is when Ja Karney, on

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Speaker 1: his Twitter account, which he often uses to contest stories

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Speaker 1: about Amazon, tweeted in his personal capacity how he was

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Speaker 1: all in for Joe Biden. And I'm just like, this

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Speaker 1: is this is crazy. I mean, you have here the

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Speaker 1: head of globalvice global vice president of communications for the

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Speaker 1: probably one of the most powerful companies in the entire

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Speaker 1: United States, just openly cheerleading for a presidential candidate. And

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Speaker 1: now we learn that he himself brokeered this one hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars deal between the two of them. And now

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Speaker 1: Valerie Jarrett, who is a longtime Obama aid, says that

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Speaker 1: Bezos and Obama quote have seen each other socialis from

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Speaker 1: time to time. I mean they're in the same circle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hanging out with you know, the most revealing thing Obama

542
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Speaker 1: did is right after leading office, was going to go

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Speaker 1: hang out with Richard Branson. I still believe hanging out

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Speaker 1: on a private island with a billionaire really sent quite

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Speaker 1: the message that we is and that's the who that

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Speaker 1: they are celebrities now, the Obama's they're doing these deals

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Speaker 1: with Dropbox or sorry, with Netflix, They're they're Instagram influencers,

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Speaker 1: I mean at their best. Michelle Obama's doing arena tours

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Speaker 1: for her book Becoming, And I don't begrudge them, like

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Speaker 1: they're becoming you know, lifestyle figures. Well, okay, I begrudge

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Speaker 1: it on a personal level. I'm saying it's not illegal,

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Speaker 1: but it's gross. And you know Stoler, Matt Stoller, who's

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Speaker 1: you know, a big foe of the Obamas. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. He points out that

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Speaker 1: unlike all presidential libraries, Obama's library will not be run

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Speaker 1: by the National Archive and thus is not subject to

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Speaker 1: government rules because it's not a library, and research historians

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00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: are actually offended because it is a private, nonprofit entity

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Speaker 1: rather than the National Archives and Records Administration, which is

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Speaker 1: the federal agency that administers the library and museums for

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Speaker 1: all presidents going back to Herbert Hoover. Yeah, so Obama

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Speaker 1: is above all the other presidents. He creates his fancy

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Speaker 1: little project. By the way, I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: guys remember this. I covered it at Rising whenever the

565
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Speaker 1: Obama Foundation called in all of Chicago's business leaders to

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Speaker 1: push back against environmental activists who had concerns about the

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Speaker 1: building of the Obama Foundation. Well, part of the controversy

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Speaker 1: here too is that the fake Presidential library, the library

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Speaker 1: that isn't actually a library. It's a monument to Obama

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Speaker 1: and how great he is. It's being built in public parkland,

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Speaker 1: of course, so there's actually an ongoing lawsuit against the

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Speaker 1: city for especially because it's being run by a private

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Speaker 1: foundation rather than by the National Archives and the government

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Speaker 1: agency the way it normally is. They're arguing it's inappropriate

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Speaker 1: for the city to give public parkland to private foundations,

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Speaker 1: and it is. You know, Look, I actually grew up

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Speaker 1: in a town with presidential library, probably unlike most people.

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Speaker 1: They're awesome. In George hw Bush's library, it's cool because

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Speaker 1: they have stuff, you know, the pieces of the Berlin

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Speaker 1: Wall or whatever. I went there and it was like

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Speaker 1: a little kid. Yeah, and you go get into the

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Speaker 1: LBJ one, right, you get to see you know, the

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Speaker 1: Air Force one mock up. The LBJ one is a

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Speaker 1: good library. Well. Also been to the Bill Clinton one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me too, Hope, Arkansas. The Reagan Library is actually very nice.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if I've been doing any others anyway,

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Speaker 1: these libraries are useful places for children. They have conference rooms.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was even part of the community. You

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Speaker 1: could like rent it out or whatever. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the Bushes, Barbara Bush and President Bush were there all

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Speaker 1: the time. And when you're a little kid and you

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Speaker 1: get to meet the present. Anyway, what I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: they can actually be very very good for communities and

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Speaker 1: for perpetuating history. It's one of the original places I

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00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: actually got to learn some history and see some of

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Speaker 1: that stuff. But to have it then be degraded to

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Speaker 1: not even a real library, not a real research institution

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Speaker 1: because people go to that Vote Bush Library where I

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Speaker 1: grew up in order to actually do research and now

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Speaker 1: have it at a place where Bezos is pumping one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars into this thing. For Look, this is

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Speaker 1: pure oligarch patronage. We all just call it for what

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Speaker 1: it is. Well, you know, both of these guys, what

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00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: they have in common is very interested in their public image,

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Speaker 1: in their life. That's Bezos. Yeah, he cares a lot

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Speaker 1: about voting, rise the Help and so, yeah, he really

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Speaker 1: really cares about black lives, as we've covered here. Let's

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Speaker 1: ask Chris Malls about that we had on the show yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I would say, I mean, listen, it's hard for me

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Speaker 1: to get super outraged about, you know, the inner workings

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Speaker 1: of the fake Presidential Library. But what I would say

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Speaker 1: overall is, you know, we've been covering these stories about

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Speaker 1: how the biggest problem for the Democratic Party is not

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Speaker 1: any of these you know, culture warflare, but the CRT,

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Speaker 1: those debates or whatever. The actual biggest problem for them

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Speaker 1: is they're seen as out of touch, elite assholes. And

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Speaker 1: so when you have like Nancy Pelosi officiating the Ivy

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Speaker 1: Getty wedding, you see those photos come out when you

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Speaker 1: see it's not just Bezos, by the way, also involved

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Speaker 1: in this library or a bunch of different bio Bill

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Speaker 1: and Linda Gate, Sean Parker, Reid Hoffman, Mark Bennioff all

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Speaker 1: involved so when you have that association, you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: be the party that cares about working people at a

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Speaker 1: certain point, and that point has already occurred. People are like,

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Speaker 1: you're full of it. I mean, we see who you

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Speaker 1: want to hang out with you, We see who you're

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00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: really interested in, you know, being part of their circle.

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Speaker 1: We see what's going on here. And it also ties

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Speaker 1: back to in my mind, you know, Democrats love to

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Speaker 1: talk about the problem with money and politics, which is

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Speaker 1: a dire problem and something we cover here all lot,

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Speaker 1: but then they play the same game. Yes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're not any different. Didn't We were pointing this One

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Speaker 1: of the stories we considered covering at some point is

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00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: that after Citizens United, it's actually democratic dark money groups

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Speaker 1: that are spending more money than Republican groups. Yeah, so incredible,

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Speaker 1: And then it hamstrings their agenda. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: the reason why the Biden agenda has completely collapsed from

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Speaker 1: whatever you know, moderately good thing get started as it's

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Speaker 1: all because of their ties into the donor class. So

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Speaker 1: it has real world consequences ultimately for what can get

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Speaker 1: accomplished here and also for what people believe their government

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Speaker 1: is capable even of doing. No I completely agree with that.

644
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Speaker 1: And you know this is just naked outright, it's a payoff.

645
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: What it is is it's like social laundering. It's why

646
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: Bezos owns the largest house here in Washington, d C.

647
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: It's reputation, yes, it's reputational. On It's why he bought

648
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: The Washington Post. If you screw with Bezos, you're screwing

649
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: with one of the most powerful papers here in d C.

650
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: And he has set himself up as a power broker.

651
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: He's hosting salon dinners from what I hear he is

652
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: now that he's not CEO of Amazon. He's here all

653
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: the time. He's always having politicians and over over at

654
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: his Calorama mansion, which is like three houses all together.

655
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: I've never been invited neighborhood that Obabba used to live.

656
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: Of course he lives and actually still lives, still has

657
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: a house very close by. I walk my dog by

658
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: there sometimes. That's closest all probably, So there we go.

659
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Speaker 1: Let's move on. All right, guys, we wanted to update

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00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: you on all of the misdeeds of former Governor Andrew Cuomo.

661
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: So a report was just released. It was originally commissioned

662
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: by the state legislature to investigate whether or not he

663
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: should be impeached. Well, he's gone from office, so there

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00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: was originally a question, oh, well, we should we continue

665
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: with the report, and they said effectively absolutely yes, which

666
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: I think is important, especially since this dude, you know,

667
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: isn't even secret about harboring future intentions to run again

668
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: for governor, attorney general or something else. So really important

669
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: to know exactly how terrible he was when he was

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00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: in office. You guys are probably familiar, familiar with the

671
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: range of allegations and spend a lot of things that

672
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: were actually proven that Cuomo actually did. So let's take

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00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: a look at some of the details from this reportless

674
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: for this first thing up on the screen. This is

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00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: from Zach Fink News, who covers New York state politics.

676
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: So among the findings, former Governor Cuomo engaged in multiple

677
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: instances of sexual harassment, including by creating a hostile work

678
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: environment and engaging in sexual misconduct. The former governor utilized

679
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: state resources and property, including work by Executive Chamber staff,

680
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: to write, publish, and promote his book, a project for

681
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: which he was guaranteed at least five point two million

682
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: dollars in personal profit that no one bought her read,

683
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: by the way, and the former governor was not fully

684
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: transparent regarding the number of nursing home residents who died

685
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: as a result of COVID. Let's go ahead and throw

686
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: the next tweet up on the screen with a few

687
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: more details. This is stunning. So to me, of all

688
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: the revelations here, probably the newest was about the use

689
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: of state resources to write this damn book. So the

690
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: idea for him to write a book about COVID that

691
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: came less than three weeks after New York had its

692
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: first confirmed COVID case. So that tells you from the

693
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: beginning of the pandemic, when he was supposed to be

694
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: all in focused on people's lives who were being lost.

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00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys remember those images that trucks with

696
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: dead bodies. I mean, it was horrible, And this dude's

697
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: thinking about writing a book. Yeah, I mean, that says

698
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: it all to me right there. And they also had

699
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: state employees who were complaining that all this time spent

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00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: of their time these are taxpayer funded jobs, that they

701
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: were spending too much time writing this book and not

702
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: able to focus on the task at hand of saving

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00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: people's lives during a pandemic, so pretty stunning. We have

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00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: that tweet, actually, let's put it up there. It says,

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Speaker 1: evidence obtained in our investigation demonstrates that you and your

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00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: members of the Executive Chamber worked on that book, and

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00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: that work was not voluntary. Junior staff members were asked

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00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: by senior Executive Chamber officials to perform tasks that were

709
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: related to the book as part of their regular course

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00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: of work. So imagine you're working in the government at

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Speaker 1: the height of a crisis and people, thousands of people

712
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: are dying. Let's also imagine that you, you know, for

713
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: mistaken reasons, end up sentencing a lot of elderly people

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Speaker 1: to death because of nursing home policy. And in the

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00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: midst of all of that, you are required to drop

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00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to be doing to help write your

717
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: boss's book that he is personally profiting to the tune

718
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: of five million dollars, all so that he can build

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00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: up his own personal brand. And you covered this extensively.

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Speaker 1: At the time, the whole Coomoseexuals thing was real. I mean,

721
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: people saw how Biden was disaster and that has generally

722
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: come true in terms of after he became president. They

723
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: saw what he was, They thought about replace him at

724
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: the ticket. That was a serious topic of conversation at

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00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: the time, right, yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly right. I

726
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: mean some of the details here about the state resources

727
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: that were used, and of course he denies and his

728
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: lawyers say this is not true and it's a political

729
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: hit job whatever, which you know, first of all, I

730
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 1: never bought that, but it had a little bit more

731
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: of a ring of potential truth to it. It was

732
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: a better talking point, let's put it that way, when

733
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: it was Letitia James, who now is running for governors

734
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: because oh see, she's just after me because she wants

735
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: my slot. Yes, well, this was done by the Democratic legislature,

736
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: who protected your butt for years. So it's very hard

737
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: to make the case when this is your team who again,

738
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: your allies, who protected you for years, who are now

739
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: putting this information out. But some of those details. The

740
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: report details multiple instances of staff involvement in the writing, editing,

741
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: and promotion of Cuomo's book. One senior staff member sent

742
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: Or received three hundred emails regarding the book in the

743
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: second just the second half of last year. Another sent

744
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: or receive more than a thousand, So when they were

745
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: supposed to be focused on the crisis. Instead, they were

746
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: being forced to make Andrew Cuoma more of a millionaire

747
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: than he already was. And by the way, they have

748
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: more details here too about Cuomo personally intervening to change

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00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: the numbers in reporting around nursing home deats. That is,

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00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: that is criminal, and some are tying these two things

751
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: together that yeah, he needed those nursing home deaths to

752
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: be suppressed so that he could sell this book and

753
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: make the case that he was the hero governor that

754
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: the media relentlessly portrayed him as. I'm sure his brother's

755
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: got to cover this on CNN. Can't wait to see that.

756
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: Kept trying to say at the time. The sexual harassment stuff,

757
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: while very bad, it was the least of the crimes

758
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: that the guy actually committed. I mean, the worst one

759
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: was the routine use of office to prioritize not only

760
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: himself financially, but also in order to skew the COVID numbers,

761
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: fool the New York State population, and help his own reputation. Yeah,

762
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: there's no way around that. I mean, screwing and manipulating

763
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: the actual documents and figures of the number of people

764
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: dead when reporting to the Department of Justice because you

765
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: don't want the Trump administration to report what the actual

766
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: numbers are. I don't know how else you can describe

767
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: that as not criminal. Or how about the use of

768
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: his office in order to both sexually harass state troopers,

769
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: which was part of the one of the most disgusting

770
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: party where you know, had a woman transferred onto his

771
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: detail just so he could basically play grab ass with her,

772
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: and then also using his state office and requiring state

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00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: troopers to rush like Chris Cuomo's swab samples to the

774
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: lab to get a COVID test. And I know, now

775
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: you can go to CVS and just go get a

776
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: COVID test, but try and remember, you know, you have

777
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: the sniffles or something, and it's March or it's May.

778
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: I think I remember I had to I remember I

779
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: had a scare and I had to go like twenty

780
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: miles away or something, or to pay two hundred fifty

781
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: dollars to go get a to go get a COVID

782
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: test because there were just simply none available at that time.

783
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: That's what you and I were doing, and we were

784
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: trying to scheme about what was happening while Chris Cuomo

785
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: got concierge state trooper treatment while he was working at CNN,

786
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: just because he's the governor's brother, and also at the

787
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: time when the network was promoting Governor Cuomo relentlessly and

788
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: hailing him to become a hero. And now the moment

789
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: that he's in trouble, it all just disappears. There's just

790
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: layers of corruption and disgust all throughout this entire, very

791
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: very revealing set of incidents. That's right, Okay, all right,

792
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: last story here. This is a little bit of a

793
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: fun one, So let's put this up there on the screen.

794
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: We always save the good media stories for last two

795
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: Fox News contributors were both stars of the pre Trump

796
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: conservative movement, Jonah Goldberg and Stephen Hayes. They've resigned from

797
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: the network in protests of Tucker Carlson's January sixth special.

798
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: So I think we actually covered that special whenever it

799
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: was released, and you guys will know, well, we covered

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00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: some of the facts around it, Yeah, in terms of

801
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: what was happening, and what we covered was the very

802
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: basic and well established fact now at this point that

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00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: there were absolutely federal informants and there was at least

804
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: one known undercover officer who were present at the January

805
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: sixth whatever you want to call it, Capitol riot, insurrection, etc.

806
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: That is a well established fact. Now, Tucker, let's just

807
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: say it. It went a little far in the way

808
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: that he presented that. However, if you were to look

809
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,479
Speaker 1: at the facts that have been established since that day

810
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: and the amount of information that has come out, you'll

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00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: also recall the video that we played here, a compilation

812
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: video of that gentleman Ray Epps, who before on January fifth,

813
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: the night of January fifth, was saying, we got to

814
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: go into the capitol, We got to go into the capitol.

815
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: We got to go into the Capitol, and so much

816
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: so that people the crowd were chanting that he was

817
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: a fed. And there's an entire compilation of video that

818
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: shows him all the way from the night of January five,

819
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 1: all the way up to the lead up in which

820
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: he led the charge into the capitol itself. We know

821
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: that Epps himself has never been charged with a crime,

822
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: while the Qwanon Shamans in jail for like four years

823
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: or whatever, just by being like obviously mentally ill. You

824
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: see all of these facts. You see that Epps's name

825
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: is known, it was reported in Arizona state media where

826
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: he is from, and yet seemingly disappeared. So that's sketchy,

827
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: you know. And there's a lot of people who have

828
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: remained confidential, informants or co conspirators whatever. They have not

829
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: been indicted. We know that all to be true. So

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00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: on balance, you tell me which is more directionally correct,

831
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: there was nobody or not. Well, these two gentlemen, Jonah Coldberg,

832
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: Jonah Goldberg and Stephen Hayes have resigned from Fox As

833
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: saying that it was the bridge too far, This was

834
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: something that pushed them over the edge. And the reason

835
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: why is because what they say is that they're simply

836
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: not willing to participate in this narrative of the idea

837
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: that the US security state is being turned on normal

838
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: American citizens. That is the central critique that these two

839
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: gentlemen have. This is the actual thing that has pushed

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00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: them over the edge. Yeah. Now, I think that's very

841
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: important to be established here around the actual objection that

842
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: these guys have, Crystal, do you ever add anything before

843
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: I tell them a little bit more about Generaal Goldberg

844
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: and Stephen Hayes. Yeah, So let me just say I

845
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: haven't seen what's it called? Pay patriots? It's not vox Nation,

846
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: which I will not pay for. Yeah, same, I haven't

847
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: seen it. I have no interest in defending it. I

848
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: have no idea what claims were made, So it is

849
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: entirely possible that it is. I think they said the

850
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: words false flag, outrageous, piece of propaganda. I haven't seen it,

851
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to weigh in to either condemn

852
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: or confirm what is there. But it is very interesting

853
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: the red lines that these guys draw, and I feel

854
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: like this is a consistent theme. I remember what did

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00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: John Bolton quit the administration was like the mad It

856
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Speaker 1: was not about like one of the few good things

857
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: that Trump actually did, and that was the red lat

858
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: that's the bridge too far now I'm out. So what

859
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: Stephen Hayes said, and this was in a Ben Smith

860
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: who just breaks news left and right, it's kind of incredible.

861
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: What he said to him is that he was particularly

862
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: concerned about Fox lending support to the idea quote that

863
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: there's a domestic war on terror and it's coming for

864
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: half the country. That's not true. Particularly disturbing in patriot purge,

865
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Speaker 1: he added, was the imagery of waterboarding, and suggestions that

866
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Speaker 1: half the country is going to be subject to this

867
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Speaker 1: kind of treatment. That's the same kind of treatment that

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Speaker 1: the federal government used when it went after al Qaeda.

869
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Speaker 1: That people like you defy, that people like you helped

870
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: make the case for the outlandish overreaches of the national

871
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: security state to start with, Yes, and now you want

872
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: to handring about oh, we can't say that this would

873
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: ever be applied to some of our citizens. Well, we

874
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: already know what this is. I mean, we've covered the

875
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: way that the same entrapment that was used primarily against

876
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: young Muslim men during the War on Terror is now

877
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: those tools are being used le president and in many

878
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: cases the same organizations within the FBI. Yeah, I mean

879
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot, for example, Many analysts who

880
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: were not right wing insane people, because there were more

881
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: FBI informants than there were actual waters whether this would

882
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: have been a plot at all if the federal government

883
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: didn't help push it along and craft it. So the

884
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: concerns about the overreach of the national secure state are

885
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: very real. Now. Again, this is not a defense of

886
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: patriot purge whatsoever, which I have not seen, but I'm

887
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: just judging by their statements here, and it takes some

888
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: kind of gull for you to now be outraged about

889
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: the imagery of waterboarding, given what these two individuals have

890
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: justified and propagated and defended in the past. I want

891
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: people to know how integral Stephen Hayes in particular was

892
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: in selling the American public on the war in Iraq.

893
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: Here's a little book that Steven wrote in the lead

894
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: up to that. Let's put it up there on the screen.

895
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: He'll try and live this one down for a long time.

896
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: Two of the most vocal and unhinged advocates of the

897
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: First War on Tara, Jonah Goldberg and Stephen Hayes just

898
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: quit Fox News, where nobody knew they worked, in protest

899
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: over Tucker Carlson. Put the next one up there on

900
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: the screen. Please Eric, check out this book. Stephen Hayes

901
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: wrote how al Qaeda's collaboration with Saddam Hussein has endangered America.

902
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: The connection Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard, that is

903
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: the person that we're dealing this, one of the chief

904
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Speaker 1: drivers of the war in Iraq, wrote a book literally

905
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Speaker 1: claiming falsely that al Qaeda had deep connections with Saddam

906
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Speaker 1: Hussein to help sell the war in Iraq, and Glenn, actually,

907
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: I didn't even know this, wrote a fantastic piece all

908
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: the way back in two thousand and six calling out

909
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Speaker 1: Jonah Coldberg for justifying waterboarding and torture, in which he's

910
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: calling him out, and Glenn rightfully points out, for everybody

911
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: who says, what happened to you, here's what I wrote

912
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, which is identical to what

913
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: I have to say about him right now. The real

914
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: question is what happened to you? And what he's talking

915
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: about there is that all of the people who rightfully

916
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Speaker 1: recognized the role of these two gentlemen, but particularly Stephen Hayes,

917
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Speaker 1: in creating an ideology and selling an ideology to push

918
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Speaker 1: the American people to the war in Iraq, defending President

919
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: George W. Bush, the single worst president of my lifetime

920
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: and probably one of the worst presidents ever in American history.

921
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: You put that all together and you ask yourself, is

922
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: resigning over Fox because Tucker's patriot purge? Is that enough

923
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: to absolve you in the media's eyes now? And it is.

924
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: That's the thing Chris Hayes is praising this you know,

925
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: you see Jonathan hate and these people being like, oh

926
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Speaker 1: my gosh, you know, I have many disagreements, but you know,

927
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Speaker 1: thank you to these gentlemen upstanding. I said Jonathan Carl,

928
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: who's a White House correspondent, by the way, saying, these

929
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: are the smartest, most smartest conservative thinkers, writers or whatever

930
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: in America. Look, really, what it is to me is

931
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Speaker 1: what's forgivable and what's not to me. The war in

932
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: Iraq is unforgivable forever. And if you played a role

933
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: in that, screw you and screw everything that you have

934
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: to touch and you know, trying to paint it is

935
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: specifically in this way as saying he's concerned about the idea,

936
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: the correct idea that there is a domestic war on

937
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: terror against half the population. When you created the original

938
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: war on terror, justified the original war on terror, how

939
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: dare you's? That's really all I have to say. You

940
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: created this system in the first place. Now you're concerned about,

941
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, people who are afraid of a misapplication over

942
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: use of state power. Yeah, and you know, my objection

943
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: always to the framing of like they're coming after half

944
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: the country is the reality is no one is safe

945
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: from oen after everybody. I mean, look at some of

946
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: the tactics that were used against Black Lives Matter protesters

947
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: if you want to understand, like this is going to

948
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: come for anyone who dares to challenge the system. And

949
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: the precedent for that was set during the War on

950
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: Terror and Furthered and enabled bipropagandists like Joanah Goldberg and

951
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: Stephen Hayes and so yeah, Fox News is trash. Fox

952
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: News has been trash for a long time, and you

953
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: all are part of what built that trash heap. And look,

954
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: I you know, people can come, have a come to

955
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: Jesus and recognize the error of their ways, etc. But

956
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: you never see that. You never see the recognition of like, oh,

957
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: we helped us get to this place, and that was bad,

958
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, when we were justifying torture and waterboarding, and

959
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: when we were lying and concocting crazy stories about Saddam

960
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: Hussein and nine to eleven and al Qaeda, like that

961
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: actually was really horrifically bad. Led to hundreds of thousands

962
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: of deaths, led to this mass expenditure, upended an entire region,

963
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: made us all less safe. How about a little bit

964
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: of acknowledgment of that, and so yeah, it's always interesting

965
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: ultimately what their red lines are. And just one other

966
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: thing about Joonah Goldberg, he wrote a book called Liberal Fascism,

967
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: So we also contributed to this, like, you know, existential

968
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: nature of politics, and he literally argued in that book

969
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: that effectively every Democrat ever has been a fascist, including FDR.

970
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: So like, this is the level of propagandist that these

971
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: individuals have been. But yeah, they're going to get on

972
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: their high horse and get all kinds of media love

973
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: for it, media love, and this is always what's so annoying. Listen.

974
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: I mean, they have views, which they're allowed to have,

975
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: and they can claim whatever they want. But what annoys

976
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: me about it is that they're like, we're the true conservatives. Listen.

977
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm not even a true conservative

978
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: anymore because or a true conservative in any fashion, because

979
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: I am not slavishly devoted to Donald Trump. But I'm

980
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: not going to sit here and tell you that I

981
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: represent the entire Republican Party or true conservatism. It's not

982
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: up to me. And this is also not up to

983
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: them either. It's up to the actual voters. The voters

984
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: have decided that they want maga cringe. That's fine. Seriously,

985
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: be honest though about what it is these guys want

986
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: to try and say, like, oh, we're going to reclaim

987
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: national conservatism. It's not yours. It's up to the actual democracy.

988
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: If you fall out of it like I do, I'm

989
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: as out of it, if not more so, probably of

990
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: the institutional right than them. But I'm honest with all

991
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: of you about where I stand and where most of

992
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: the voters stand, and where the actual Republican party is.

993
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: Trying to wish past yourself because you have such a

994
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: large ego onto a party because you used to be

995
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: a part of it, and saying that that's what the

996
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: real ideals are, who are you? You know, it's clear

997
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: that the voters don't want either what you have to

998
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: say and what you're selling. The vast majority of the

999
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: people who subscribe to their newsletter called a dispatch or

1000
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: whatever are probably mainstream liberals who like the idea of

1001
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: reading a conservative right, you know, a very very reasonable conservatism.

1002
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: You're not getting a real reflection of what actual Republicans think,

1003
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: or at least the vast majority of Republicans think. There

1004
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: are some people in the constituency who agree with them.

1005
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: I shouldn't downplay it. You know, Glenn Youngin is very

1006
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: much like a Jonah Goldberg Stephen Hayes type conservative. So

1007
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: it's not like it doesn't have some electoral whatever. But

1008
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: let's just be honest about like where you stand in

1009
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: the national conversation around things like just don't try and

1010
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: say very egotistically that you are the person who represents

1011
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: like real conservatism. It's not up to you, Like I said,

1012
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: it's a democracy. The actual voters have very much shown

1013
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 1: that they love Trump and all that a lot more

1014
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: than they like anything that you had to say, and

1015
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: you should be okay with that, you know. It is interesting, though,

1016
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: there's this line in the piece that I'm curious you're

1017
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: reaction to, where Ben Smith says Fox employees often speak

1018
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: in terms of respecting the audience when they're effectively justifying

1019
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: bullshit that they know is just slavishly, you know, slavish

1020
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: fealty to Trump, never criticizing him, kind of given a

1021
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: wink and a nod to all the election conspiracies. They

1022
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: talk about, quote respecting the audience, as if when you're

1023
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: a major media institution like that, you don't have any

1024
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: influence over the audience. And so I found that that

1025
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: rationalization coming from Fox I found pretty disgusting. And you know,

1026
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we're obviously a lot smaller than Fox, although

1027
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: oftentimes we get higher ratings than some of high ratings

1028
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: in an MSBC, actually much higher ratings many daytime Fox. Yes,

1029
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: exactly so. But you know, we have made it our

1030
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: mission to not try to like pander to you of

1031
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: what we think you want to hear, but to actually,

1032
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, come from an honest place of what we

1033
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: think is important and trying to sort through these things.

1034
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: And sometimes you guys hate what we have to say,

1035
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: and sometimes maybe you've you've changed a little bit. I've certainly,

1036
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, changed some of my views based on having

1037
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: Soccer sitting next to me. So this idea that it's

1038
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: only a one way street where you just have to

1039
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: give the audience whatever their instinct is in that moment,

1040
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: I find that really pretty shameful. US I completely agree

1041
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: with why do you think this? I won't if I

1042
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: one thing, please do not construe this is a defensive Fox.

1043
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: There's a reason that I don't go on the network anymore.

1044
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: Do you want to do? I want to be invited

1045
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: for a two minute program where you go like, yeah,

1046
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: democrats are bad, bad bad bad. Oh. Also, I also

1047
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: have some stuff about stay the Republicans. Yeah, well, and

1048
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: we're out of time. Boom. It's like there's no I

1049
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: had no interest in it whatsoever, ripping the country apart.

1050
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: As you said, also, you have a huge amount of

1051
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: influence these boomers. They got no other option. They're gonna

1052
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: watch you no matter what. As we've seen now with

1053
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: the fall of Oaan and Newsmax and all this stuff.

1054
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: They're glued to the TV. Fox is part of their routine.

1055
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: So if you lead them in a different direction, you

1056
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: cover a different story and all that, they'll watch it.

1057
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: They have to. They really don't have another choice. And

1058
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: so you have the opportunity to create something new, to

1059
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: introduce something different, and all that you just don't want to.

1060
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: That's cowardice, and that's the problem with the network and

1061
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: why they're really just hamstrung and they don't really know

1062
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: how to handle themselves at this time. So there's no

1063
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: heroes in this story. That's really what I want to

1064
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: get across. Because one side's being lionized the other side

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Speaker 1: of the villains. What of both sides of the villains.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the real story. Indeed, Whistle, what are you

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Speaker 1: taking a look at? Well, guys, as you know, we

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Speaker 1: hear at breaking points, believe in engaging with people across

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Speaker 1: the political spectrum. We embrace open dialogue, fearlessly tackling difficult

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Speaker 1: topics and rejecting the media narrative that seeks to divide

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Speaker 1: us along partisan lines from our friends, family, and neighbors.

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Speaker 1: So as Americans begin to reclaim their pre COVID Thanksgiving traditions,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to offer you some advice on how to

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Speaker 1: discuss those politically charged topics that can create tension at

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Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving table. Just don't seriously what you're going to

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Speaker 1: bring up critical race theory with Uncle Rufus? Are you

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Speaker 1: a psycho? Let's be honest, folks. Certain conversations in certain

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Speaker 1: contexts are pointless waste of time that will just end

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Speaker 1: in frustration, hurt feelings, and even more hardened views about

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Speaker 1: whatever topic is that's in question, as we all feel

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Speaker 1: the need to dig in when our position is attacked.

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Speaker 1: And that is not just me being pessimistic. That is

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Speaker 1: what research routinely demonstrates. Follow the science, as they say,

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Speaker 1: Although definitely don't say that at Thanksgiving unless you want

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Speaker 1: to ruin everyone's day. It's called the backfire effect. When

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Speaker 1: we're confronted with that that dispute, whatever thing it is

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Speaker 1: we believe, we just become more convinced of whatever that

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Speaker 1: thing is. So voters who like a candidate were found

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01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: to like that candidate even more when they were shown

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Speaker 1: negative information about them. That explains a lot about the

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Speaker 1: diehard loyalty to Trump, doesn't it. Parents nervous about vaccinating

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01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: their kids became more convinced that vaccines can lead to

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01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: negative health effects when shown data that would disprove that notion.

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Speaker 1: And on and on and on. Now, not every political

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Speaker 1: topic is off limits. I'll get to that in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But I have compiled a helpful shortlist of five topics

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Speaker 1: that you should, absolutely, under zero circumstances, engage with on

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day. First, Kyle Rittenhouse was just acquitted on all accounts,

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Speaker 1: A timely topic that has consumed endless cable news hours,

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Speaker 1: fairly decent probability that somebody is going to say something

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Speaker 1: about it at your table. Is he a white supremacist

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Speaker 1: or a New American hero who cares no one ever?

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Speaker 1: Needs to know your opinion on the personal character of

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Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse. Second up, Anthony Fauci exists, and people feel

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways about that. Is he basically Christ

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Speaker 1: resurrected to save us from COVID and anti vaxers, or

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Speaker 1: is he a demon who worked with the Chinese to

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Speaker 1: start the pandemic in the first place. The nearly religious

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Speaker 1: fervor around this man should remain within the walls of

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Speaker 1: the church of MSNBC or in the fire and brimstone

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Speaker 1: of Fox News. Third, speaking of religious devotion, I cannot

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Speaker 1: possibly state this strongly enough. Do not talk about vaccines. Listen, guys,

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Speaker 1: all the relevant vaccine or mask or social distance or

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Speaker 1: other pandemic related measures for your Thanksgiving should have been

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Speaker 1: worked out long in advance. If you have decided to

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Speaker 1: share a table with someone who is unvaccinated, it's over.

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Speaker 1: They made their risk calculation and you made yours, and

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Speaker 1: now everyone has got to live with the consequences. I

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Speaker 1: would be shocked if a single person changed their mind

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Speaker 1: about whether or not to get vaccinated based on a

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day reading of the latest FDA data. Fourth up,

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Speaker 1: the aforementioned CRT. Now, listen, there's actually an interesting and

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Speaker 1: nuanced conversation to be had about critical race theory. What

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Speaker 1: is it? Where is it actually being taught? How much

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Speaker 1: arts tenants being bastardized by an industry of consultant grifters

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Speaker 1: who are genuinely bad. There are zero worlds in which

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Speaker 1: you want to spend time when you could be eating

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Speaker 1: pie instead talking about Robin DiAngelo, book burning and whether

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Speaker 1: math is white supremacist? Now, last, but not least, and

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Speaker 1: this should be obvious, stop the steal. Is it going

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Speaker 1: to help anyone for you to know the full details

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Speaker 1: of what your aunt believes happen with mamboo lazed ballots

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Speaker 1: from China or with a dead Venezuelan dictator. Some terrain, frankly,

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Speaker 1: is just best left unexplored. So basically, anything that falls

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Speaker 1: into culture war, brain wrought territory best to avoid look

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Speaker 1: good and productive dialogue. It doesn't just happen. It needs

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Speaker 1: a context. It needs a certain state of mind, one

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Speaker 1: that is unlikely to be achieved in a once a

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Speaker 1: year holiday setting after a few glasses of wine and

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Speaker 1: a grotesque amount of carbs. Now, there are plenty of

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Speaker 1: unifying topics that you can feel free to explore, things

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01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: like labor strikes like corruption, general hatred of the media,

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Speaker 1: the fact that Joe Biden's brain doesn't work, and anything

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Speaker 1: related to justified contempt for our ruling class. Historical topics

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01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: like how the CIA killed JFK. Those are timeless classics

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01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: that bring the whole family together, and you can discuss

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01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: plenty of current events as well, like the fact that

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Speaker 1: Travis Scott is a Satan worshiping member of the illuminati.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows that now. Of course, if you get your

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Speaker 1: whole family watching Breaking Points, you'll have nothing to worry

1151
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: about except how best you enjoy a lovely day hitting

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01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: each other, less in the corrupt ruling class more, and

1153
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, sorry,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well? As we explained yesterday,

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest problems with the Kyle Rittenhouse trial

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Speaker 1: coverage in the mainstream media is they never actually told

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Speaker 1: you what happened. If you watch only CNN or MSNBC,

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Speaker 1: you probably had no idea what the actual facts of

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Speaker 1: the case were, what Wisconsin self defense law is, and

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01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: instead you've got a bunch of screeching opinions right and left,

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Speaker 1: which leave the entire country much worse off when the

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Speaker 1: thing actually happened. What we always try to ask in

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Speaker 1: that situation is why that trial, Well, it was pretty

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Speaker 1: convenient for the narratives of the right and left. As

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Speaker 1: I always say here, what they choose to show you

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Speaker 1: is not nearly as important as what they choose not

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Speaker 1: to show you. And one of the trials that's happening

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Speaker 1: right now and getting zero press attention is that of

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's right hand woman in alleged decades long sexual predator,

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Speaker 1: Gallaine Maxwell, allegedly for the lawyers, who has just begun

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Speaker 1: and coincidentally, nobody at CNN or Fox or MSNBC seems

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Speaker 1: to care all that much, So I'll break it down

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Speaker 1: for all of you. Maxwell is finally on trial, the

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Speaker 1: date set for November twenty nine, after her defense team

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Speaker 1: has buried the court in motions for dismissal and complaints

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Speaker 1: over her imprisonment conditions, over trying to interview case agents

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Speaker 1: involved in the Epstein case, and so much more. It's

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Speaker 1: been a very long road of passing the buck to

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Speaker 1: this point, and a lot of Epstein watchers like myself

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Speaker 1: have been puzzled as to why more information has not

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Speaker 1: come out about that case. Maxwell is being tried on

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Speaker 1: six counts, specifically of sexual assault, including transporting miners to

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Speaker 1: engage in criminal sexual activity. The allegations against Maxwell stem

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Speaker 1: from criminal activity allegedly in nineteen ninety four and two

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Speaker 1: thousand and four. Now that's critical to our understanding because

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Speaker 1: these actions took place before Epstein's sweetheart deal with the

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach County Police and the FBI, where he barely

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Speaker 1: served any jail time and eventually was let off and

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Speaker 1: victimized hundreds of other young girls. Yet, even with the

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Speaker 1: old charges, there are a lot of very powerful people

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Speaker 1: with a lot to lose. Vicky Ward, one of the

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Speaker 1: reporters who's known about Epstein for the longest time. She

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Speaker 1: writes in Rolling Stone magazine that the rich and powerful

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Speaker 1: in New York City are terrified about one thing in particular.

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Speaker 1: If Glade Maxwell takes the stand in a last ditch effort,

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Speaker 1: not only to save herself, she can do so to

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Speaker 1: burn many of the people who helped her survive over

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Speaker 1: the last several decades. Maxwell, in testifying for her own defense,

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Speaker 1: would be allowed to admit and say anything in open

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Speaker 1: court as long as the judge rules that it's in

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Speaker 1: favor of her theory of the case. Now, her defense

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Speaker 1: so far has been she didn't do anything wrong, the

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Speaker 1: only person who did was Jeffrey Epstein, and that because

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Speaker 1: he's dead, she's betting put on trial in his stead.

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Speaker 1: As some truth to that, certainly, but nearly every Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein victim reports that Maxwell allegedly groomed them, that she

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Speaker 1: procured them for his abuse. In many cases she participated

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Speaker 1: in the abuse herself. She also, of course, served as

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Speaker 1: a very important social validator for Epstein, bringing Prince Andrew

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Speaker 1: into his orbit, and Bill Clinton many other powerful people

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Speaker 1: that she became acquainted with through her rich father's connections.

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Speaker 1: That raises another question within the accusation against Glaine Maxwell

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Speaker 1: is an acknowledgment by the federal government that she and

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Speaker 1: Epstein did not act alone. In fact, Maxwell maintains that

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Speaker 1: others were involved too. Their names remain redacted, and interestingly enough,

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Speaker 1: it's not just Maxwell saying that Epstein's victims who are

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Speaker 1: concerned that these two women whose names are redacted are

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Speaker 1: apparently cooperating with the government in exchange for not having

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Speaker 1: charges brought against them. One victim said that it just

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Speaker 1: wasn't right that Maxwell alone faces trial when so many

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Speaker 1: others were involved. And indeed, that is what this trial

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Speaker 1: highlights to me. It's really just not enough at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking, at the end of the day here about

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Speaker 1: just two cases of sexual assault, when we know that

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Speaker 1: she and Epstein were involved in hundreds of others, allegedly.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Epstein had many valets and assistants and personal

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Speaker 1: acquaintances who helped him. But honestly, it's deeper than even

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Speaker 1: just the assault in the hundreds of cases, The question

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Speaker 1: surrounds his long time entanglement with some of the most

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Speaker 1: powerful people on the globe. Take for instance, a story

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Speaker 1: which we highlighted but will never go to trial. Barclay's

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Speaker 1: former CEO, Jess Staley, was forced to resign from the

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Speaker 1: head of one of the largest banks in Europe because

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Speaker 1: regulators found deep ties between him and Epstein, so deep

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Speaker 1: that they found he exchanged twelve hundred emails with Epstein

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Speaker 1: over four years that included unexplained terms in an apparent

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Speaker 1: code which was known to them, including the term quote

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Speaker 1: snow white, which means he has refused to explain what

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Speaker 1: that means. Staley has claimed that he led his relationship

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Speaker 1: with Epstein taper off, but in fact, right before he

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Speaker 1: joined Barclays, he was literally on Epstein's private island and

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Speaker 1: sailed his yacht there. He also allowed Epstein to quote

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Speaker 1: mentor one of his daughters during her college application, which

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Speaker 1: is certainly a choice. And Staley is the only in

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Speaker 1: the latest series of high profile men to have been

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Speaker 1: revealed as Epstein associates. We have Bill Gates or Leon Black,

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Speaker 1: one of the richest men on Wall Street who caught

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Speaker 1: paid one hundred and fifty million dollars to Epstein four

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Speaker 1: tax advice. Or Glenn Dubin, the billionaire hedge fund manager

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Speaker 1: whose wife apparently also dated Epstein and literally had him

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Speaker 1: over for Thanksgiving dinner at their house while he was

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Speaker 1: on probation. Or Leslie Wexner, the original source of Epstein's twelth,

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Speaker 1: who has never once said why he allowed Epstein into

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Speaker 1: his inner circle in the nineteen eighties. None of those

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Speaker 1: questions are getting answer to trial, but we'll continue to

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Speaker 1: ask them here, and the media guy should be telling

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Speaker 1: you a lot more about Glen Maxwell's trial. They should

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Speaker 1: be digging into the men that I mentioned, but that's

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Speaker 1: too hard, so we'll get more race baiting coverage instead,

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Speaker 1: designed to rip us apart while the real villains they

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Speaker 1: look right above us. And if you want to hear

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Speaker 1: my reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber today

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Speaker 1: at breakingpoints dot com. Join us now vie one and only.

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Speaker 1: Brianna Joygray, hosts the Bad Faith podcast and former national

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Speaker 1: presecretary for Bernie Sanders. Great to see Brie, good Seabrie,

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Speaker 1: it's good to be back. You have been hosting some

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Speaker 1: of the most interesting conversations anywhere recently, and we want

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Speaker 1: to dig In particular, you did a series of two

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Speaker 1: different podcasts regarding the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. You kind of

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Speaker 1: dug into some of the specifics of what exactly happened

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Speaker 1: and the legal issues involved, and then you had a

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Speaker 1: broader conversation about white supremacy and is the term overused

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Speaker 1: and how does it apply throughout the siding? Where does

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Speaker 1: this concept come from? With two people the Breaking Points

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Speaker 1: community be very familiar with our miosa Frompong and Zi Jalani.

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Speaker 1: First three, if you could just set up for us,

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Speaker 1: what was your inspiration for this conversation and what were

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Speaker 1: you hoping to get at in this conversation. So not

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Speaker 1: just in the context of Kyle Rittenhouse, but in this

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Speaker 1: broader context of the CRT battles that have been waged

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Speaker 1: for about a year now. The question on everybody's lips

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Speaker 1: is sort of what is white supremacy? And are is

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Speaker 1: white supremacy being bandied about in a way that basically

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Speaker 1: makes the term meaningless. Oftentimes in these conversations, people end

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Speaker 1: up talking past each other right because people who are

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Speaker 1: more to the right, more conservative, see the left as

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Speaker 1: being over zealous in their application of that term, because

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Speaker 1: they understand what white supremacy is very differently. And part

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Speaker 1: of the whole battle around CRT is challenging a more

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Speaker 1: structural understanding of how systems of race and oppression work

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Speaker 1: in this country and whether or not you agree that

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Speaker 1: those systems of racism or oppression or hierarchies are real.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of the population, calling those systems white

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Speaker 1: supremacy feels like a bridge too far, given their understanding

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Speaker 1: of white supremacy as being something more direct. You know,

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Speaker 1: a guy in a KKK robe, You know someone's saying

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Speaker 1: you can't work here because you're Latino, etc. And so

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Speaker 1: I wanted to unpack what we mean when we say

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Speaker 1: these kinds of things so that we can have more grounded,

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Speaker 1: realistic conversations that don't just end up with us talking

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Speaker 1: past each other, and then also move on to this

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Speaker 1: more substantive conversation of Given the confusion around these terms,

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Speaker 1: and given the fact that even those who believe in

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Speaker 1: systems and hierarchies of oppression are often misusing or differently

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Speaker 1: applying the term white supremacy, how useful is this term

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Speaker 1: if everything is white supremacy? How useful is to choose

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Speaker 1: a term that is so confusing and misleading and difficult

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Speaker 1: to understand by a bulk of population that you're actually

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Speaker 1: trying to reach. Yeah, I think it's been so valuable

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Speaker 1: what you've been doing. E've been getting a lot of tension,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'll sell the right leading listeners here.

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Speaker 1: You've had on a lot of people who you know

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Speaker 1: are very dissionant, necessarily from mainstream left thought, and you've

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Speaker 1: totally heard them out, Andrew Sullivan and many others. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's why, despite the bad faith name, probably

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Speaker 1: the best faith conversation to give ironic, I know is ironic.

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Speaker 1: Let's give people a let's give people a taste here

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Speaker 1: of the clip. Let's go ahead and take a listen.

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Speaker 1: So Kyle Wentenhouse, he's not a bond villain, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: he's an indeterminate joiner and he just kind of joined

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Speaker 1: the team that made him feel like the most relevant. Right.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of what Hannah Event said about Iikman

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Speaker 1: the same, Like, these bad guys are not particularly bad,

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Speaker 1: They're just participating in a bad structure. Like it was

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Speaker 1: like I was watching Ralph from The Simpsons on trial.

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Speaker 1: This guy is not some sort of like super villain,

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Speaker 1: but yet he brought It takes an entire in, It

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Speaker 1: takes a series of institutions. Actually before you actually find

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Speaker 1: this guy across state lines with a large weapon shooting people, like,

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Speaker 1: we have to talk about the families that produced them,

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Speaker 1: the schools that failed to produce them. He's a social

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Speaker 1: failure and at seventeen years old, he's a youth. And

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Speaker 1: we say that youths are not actually responsible for what

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Speaker 1: they do. What they do is actually a reflection of

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Speaker 1: who their minders are. So like where like he is

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01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: an it's a reflection of us, right, so we need

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Speaker 1: to actually do a real autopsy and all of the

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Speaker 1: cultural institutions that created that moment. What did you make

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Speaker 1: of that moment, Brianna, And what was Zed's response to that?

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Speaker 1: Because I know some of the tension between Irony and

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Speaker 1: Zed was Iromy wanted to say, this is connected to

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Speaker 1: what happened in al Paso, this is connected to what

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Speaker 1: happened with those massage parlor shootings. They all come out

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Speaker 1: of these cultural institutions that I I was saying, wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: you can't just paint with a broadbrush like that. So

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Speaker 1: what did you make of those exchanges? Yeah? I mean

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Speaker 1: I don't want to misrepresentiarmies so that that people should feel

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Speaker 1: free to go and listen to the full episode. But

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Speaker 1: the case team is basically making that there is that

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Speaker 1: there is something wrong with quote unquote white culture. And

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Speaker 1: while we often hear, especially from the right, you know,

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Speaker 1: black culture described in these terms, there's often questions about,

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Speaker 1: you know, where is the father, where is the two

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Speaker 1: parent household? These kinds of conversations that often I think

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Speaker 1: detach us from having a substantive policy conversation about how

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Speaker 1: to actually enrich communities and make life better for human beings,

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Speaker 1: working people. Army is basically saying there's a white cultural

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Speaker 1: problem here as well, and you can see it tethered

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Speaker 1: through all these different kinds of events, in the rise

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Speaker 1: of certain kinds of hate, crimes, and violence from this

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Speaker 1: particular community over the last four or five years. Now

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Speaker 1: Z objected, saying basically that it's as inappropriate to make

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Speaker 1: that kind of broader white cultural leap as it is

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Speaker 1: to say the same thing about a broad black culture.

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Speaker 1: When cultures are so diverse and diffuse regionally, ethnically and

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Speaker 1: among kind of racial groups, you know, we can have

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Speaker 1: a conversation about, you know, the socially constructed nature of race,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, but that is inappropriate to do so. And

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Speaker 1: my addition to the conversation was that there's this theory

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Speaker 1: by these women, the Field Sisters, professors both of them

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Speaker 1: who wrote this book, called Racecraft, And I asked whether

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Speaker 1: talking about whiteness white people this way ends up shoring

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Speaker 1: up a kind of racial identity that is less productive,

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Speaker 1: less healthy, and ultimately perhaps feeds into a kind of

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Speaker 1: politics that I don't subscribe to. Instead of letting people

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Speaker 1: identify by their regions or their cultural backgrounds, iris, high

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Speaker 1: and Jewish, et cetera, and that creating whiteness by talking

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Speaker 1: about whiteness in this way is ultimately exactly what white

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Speaker 1: supremacists are angling for. Yeah, you know, it's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say. I tweeted Joe Rogan had

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Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg on his podcast and Joe said something where

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Speaker 1: he said he said, if they can keep us divided

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Speaker 1: by race and nationality, then they won't they can't, then

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Speaker 1: they won't have us talking about class. I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm paraphrasing him a little bit, but that's the

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Speaker 1: juxta of what he said. And what I loved about

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Speaker 1: it is it was getting a talk attacked from identitarian

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Speaker 1: lefts and also far right white supremacists who were like, well,

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Speaker 1: if if we're divided by race and nationality, like maybe

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Speaker 1: that's what just actually divides us, And it was it

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Speaker 1: was like a strange horseshoe on that. I'm curious. You know,

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Speaker 1: you have been belving into this now, this is a

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Speaker 1: series and the conversations are very difficult ones, especially I

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Speaker 1: think for somebody who occupies the ideological lane that you

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Speaker 1: do to have How have you found the reception to

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Speaker 1: this beyond and pushing for the type of politics. I

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Speaker 1: actually think there's a lot of commonality here on the screen. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: the thing is you have to take what the response

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Speaker 1: is on Twitter, and the response on YouTube, and the

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Speaker 1: response in real life. Those are all three very different

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Speaker 1: audiences and three very different things. You know, I've gotten

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Speaker 1: a lot of personal feedback, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: folks in the world who feel this way, right, And

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01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: there are shades and gradations here, But I think what's

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Speaker 1: really helpful to people and give what gives me some

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Speaker 1: leeway here is that I am also coming to terms

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Speaker 1: with what I think about these things kind of live

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Speaker 1: on air, right, I'm working through issues in a really

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Speaker 1: sincere way. There are things that Zed said that I

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Speaker 1: absolutely agree with. I'm more inclined with him to think

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Speaker 1: that talking about whiteness and white cultural deficits is not

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Speaker 1: productive and is frankly inaccurate. But I also understand what

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Speaker 1: I rere me is saying about there being something more

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Speaker 1: than just a gun violence problem in America, right, that

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Speaker 1: there are these cultural, localized trends that emerge and that

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Speaker 1: have something to do. I think less with cultural whiteness,

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Speaker 1: but with broad precarity status threat, white decline, the opioid crisis,

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Speaker 1: all of these things that we know are going on

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Speaker 1: that are so infrequently brought into the conversation. And as

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Speaker 1: moments of tragedy continue to erupt over the country, whether

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Speaker 1: they're around protests, whether they're around these kind of political

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Speaker 1: moments like one to six, we're going to be really

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Speaker 1: challenged to come up with a concrete and consistent way

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Speaker 1: to measure our response to things that's not so polarizing

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Speaker 1: and ideologically driven. And I think starting now and being

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Speaker 1: able to say, look, Kyle Rinhouse has been embraced by

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Speaker 1: some of the worst toxic elements in the country. He's

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Speaker 1: also a seventeen year old kid. And if we're leftists

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Speaker 1: who have this kind of abolitionist framework that understands that

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Speaker 1: we don't want to be locking up children in particular,

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Speaker 1: and that people are products of their environment, that we

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Speaker 1: have to figure out how to talk about this that

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Speaker 1: doesn't minimize the broader cultural trends and what people are

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Speaker 1: making of this at the same time that we don't

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Speaker 1: try to make a martyr out of someone who doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily fit the mold of our cultural expectations in this moment.

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Speaker 1: So there was another moment that we pulled of some

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Speaker 1: of Iromy's commentary that kind of gets at some of

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Speaker 1: these questions. Because Ironing again, like you, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to mischaracterize his comments. We're going to put the link

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Speaker 1: down in the description box so you guys can subscribe

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01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 1: and you can watch this episode, and I highly recommend

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Speaker 1: that all of you do that because these conversations have

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01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: been extraordinarily enlightening. But he's getting at this idea. He

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Speaker 1: believes kind of the core problem is white culture, and

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Speaker 1: that a focus on material conditions, things like healthcare, things

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Speaker 1: like potentially UBI or a federal jobs guarantee, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: that you're kind of missing what he sees as the

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Speaker 1: main problem, which is related to, but not exclusively about

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Speaker 1: these material conditions. Let's take a listen to a little

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Speaker 1: bit of what he had to say there. There's going

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Speaker 1: to be a problem with me and the a lot

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Speaker 1: of left politics because I do think, like in a

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Speaker 1: deep way, if like a vaguely ethno fascist government politician

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Speaker 1: like supported universal health care, the left wouldn't really have

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Speaker 1: the arguments to fight against it. Agreed, And that's a problem, right,

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Speaker 1: That is a problem. And so like the idea that

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Speaker 1: we're okay with a racial hierarchy as long as it

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Speaker 1: delivers goodies, and it seems to work in such a

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Speaker 1: way that it's short of self governance and self determination,

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Speaker 1: and it might be a little bit high on like

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Speaker 1: accountant like coddling racial anxiety of the whites as long

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Speaker 1: as it delivers goodies is a form of white supremacy.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's like a large part of the left,

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Speaker 1: And you're saying that's where we already are. Basically, the

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Speaker 1: goodies aren't great, but that's kind of the status we're

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Speaker 1: in already. The question is, and the people who want

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Speaker 1: to get out of that status quo want more goodies

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Speaker 1: by catering to white culture as it is, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to I'm saying that like we might need to like

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Speaker 1: downgrade the goodies and go full board on changing the whites. Well,

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Speaker 1: I would object to this. So part of what I

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Speaker 1: found interesting there is that you agreed with him about

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Speaker 1: the initial comment about you know, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of the left would be good with the eth no

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Speaker 1: fascists as long as they gave out universal health care.

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Speaker 1: What did you think of his comments there. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it speaks to the reality that people are

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Speaker 1: in a vice grip. People feel desperate, and they would

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Speaker 1: make a lot of tradeoffs. They continue to make tridoffs.

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Speaker 1: They've already made tradeoffs to my point, Right, Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is Jim Crow. Joe. He was the author of the

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Speaker 1: crime Bill, and yet the ophall majorities of black Americans

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Speaker 1: lined up and voted for him because the alternative seemed worse.

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Speaker 1: And we've been caught in that kind of vice gript. Right,

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Speaker 1: the goodies right now are simply not Trump. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's how low the ball have got, Right, But what

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Speaker 1: I disagree with Ironed Me about is this notion that

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Speaker 1: whiteness and quotation marks is the best offer you can

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Speaker 1: give to people, or that is necessarily at the top

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Speaker 1: of the priority list of white voters priority list since

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Speaker 1: the beginning of this country. We have an upcoming episode

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Speaker 1: with Benjellis, the youngest ever president of the NAACP, who

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Speaker 1: walks through a little bit of this early American history

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Speaker 1: where part of the reason that we had racial codes,

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01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: race was codified in the way that it was that

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01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: set rules about the progeny of mixed race couplings. Being

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Speaker 1: black and making sure that people understood that there was

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Speaker 1: a consequence to being black and aligning with blackness is

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01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: because some of the earliest kind of revolutionary moments in

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01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: this country were white indentured servants in black slaves coming

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01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 1: together to resist authority, right to resist their oppressors, the

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Speaker 1: people who literally, frankly owned and directed their entire lives.

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Speaker 1: And that by creating racial division you can break up

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Speaker 1: very natural coalitions, and that has been a pattern over

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Speaker 1: the course of a mayor and history, Bacon's Rebellion, blame Mountain, etcetera, etcetera,

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Speaker 1: on and on and on, and so I resist iromis

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Speaker 1: what I think of as a kind of essentialized view

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Speaker 1: of the matter, which does, no matter what, the only

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Speaker 1: thing that you can offer to white people that will

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Speaker 1: work is necessarily racism. It is coddling white It is

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01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: giving up something you shouldn't be giving up. It is

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Speaker 1: throwing people of color and other marginalized groups under the bus,

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01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: when in my view, history shows us that offering basic

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01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: populist programs that enriched people's lives is more attractive than

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01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: offering racism. It's just what has happened is that is

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Speaker 1: very infrequently offered, and we don't have very many test

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Speaker 1: cases for what happens when someone like an elected Democrat

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Speaker 1: like Joe Biden or Barack Obama actually follows through with

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Speaker 1: their camp their populist campaign promises. Yeah, yeah, think you

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01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: really are having some of the most important conversations. We

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01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,759
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. That's why we wanted to highlight it here.

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01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: I hope everybody subscribes and supports your work. It's really important.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have the link down there in description. Thank

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Speaker 1: you Rihanna, thanks for you, lead to see you, and

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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you guys so

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01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: much for watching. We really appreciate it. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to have a full show for you on Thanksgiving, but

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Speaker 1: we will have a lot of extra content which we

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Speaker 1: have worked on here on the show. As Crystal said

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Speaker 1: in our monologue, spend some time with your family, just

1533
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: don't talk about politics. Just relax, really unplug, take a

1534
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: time to appreciate, you know, everything that you might have

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Speaker 1: or maybe maybe you've lost. It's a time for everything.

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Speaker 1: That's what Thanksgiving actually should be all about. And for

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Speaker 1: those of you who have supported us now over the

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Speaker 1: last couple of months. It just absolutely means the world.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be something that I'm thankful for. Really

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Speaker 1: yesterday when we talked about YouTube and you know, coming

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Speaker 1: and demonetizing our segment on PUNKSHWI, I mean, the amount

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Speaker 1: of support that we've heard from you guys is just amazing.

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Speaker 1: Today we cover Jeffrey Epstein, guarantee you that one's going

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01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: to get demonetized. Today we covered Wakesha. Guarantee you that

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Speaker 1: one's probably going to get age restricted or whatever. But

1546
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: what we take our responsibility as is to show you

1547
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: the news unvarnished in the best possible way that we can,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes that means going a foul of YouTube. So

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Speaker 1: if you can help us out, we deeply appreciate it.

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01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. You guys have allowed us

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Speaker 1: to do that and for that we are extraordinarily grateful.

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Speaker 1: So have a beautiful week. We will be posting some

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Speaker 1: content throughout the week and a number of things on

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving as well, if that's how you want to spend

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Speaker 1: some of your time, but most importantly, enjoy your friends

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Speaker 1: and your family and we will see you back here

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Speaker 1: next week. See you next week,