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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news that you follow, discuss some
Speaker 3: of the classic cases, and bring you the latest information
Speaker 3: from the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Speaker 4: Welcome to a special Halloween edition of Beyond Contact. I
Speaker 4: am Captain Ron, and today we're going to be taking
Speaker 4: a look at four of the more unique, scary and
Speaker 4: interesting cases in history. Today, I'm going to be joined
Speaker 4: by Brianna, who is the brains behind this operation. She's
Speaker 4: the producer of Beyond Contact she's been in this community
Speaker 4: for quite some time now, and she's had her own podcast,
Speaker 4: and she not only produces the Beyond Contact podcast, but
Speaker 4: she's also our producer for the Contact in the Desert conference,
Speaker 4: so she certainly stays busy and we work hand in
Speaker 4: hand all the time. So let's welcome Bree.
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4: Can't hear you?
Speaker 5: You can't hear me?
Speaker 4: No, turn your mic on?
Speaker 5: It is on? Okay, hold on? How are we talking?
Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, not talking? Hold on?
Speaker 4: I thought you said this was set up and ready
Speaker 4: to go. What's going on?
Speaker 5: She's gonna be fired? You really can't hear me?
Speaker 4: Free? What this being trick or treat season? I thought
Speaker 4: that that would be a trick for Brie. She can
Speaker 4: be heard by all of us of course, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: I'm the first time on the air that I will
Speaker 4: give her a little bit of a hard time and makeure.
Speaker 4: So there's your trick or treat for the season three.
Speaker 4: So welcome on the air.
Speaker 5: How you doing, Thanks for having me Ron, I'm doing great.
Speaker 5: This should be a fun episode. We always have a
Speaker 5: good time chatting, so I'm excited to get into it.
Speaker 4: We certainly do. And you know, you and I a
Speaker 4: lot of times talk about how a lot of these
Speaker 4: things overlap.
Speaker 5: Definitely, I think it should be a little bit of
Speaker 5: a disclaimer that even though this seems like it's very
Speaker 5: halloweeny and more paranormal, these things totally overlap with each other.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's fair that we continue to put
Speaker 5: things into boxes. You know, the unknown is the unknown,
Speaker 5: All of it seems to coincide together. I just kind
Speaker 5: of feel like if we just say something is a
Speaker 5: certain way, then it completely blocks us off from all
Speaker 5: the other possibilities. And so I think a lot of
Speaker 5: the things that we'll talk about today you may not
Speaker 5: think could be alien in nature, but it absolutely has
Speaker 5: those same attributes.
Speaker 4: And we never know. We don't really know what any
Speaker 4: of these creatures are. We do know that they're unknown
Speaker 4: and the people that witness them directly do not know
Speaker 4: what they are. So could they be cryptids, could they
Speaker 4: be spiritual, could they be interdimensional? We just don't know.
Speaker 4: But it is fun to talk about, and we'll try
Speaker 4: to get closer to the truth as we go along.
Speaker 4: So in the spirit of Halloween, let's take a look
Speaker 4: at these four specific, unique historical cases that have a
Speaker 4: very nice scary Halloween feel to them. And those four
Speaker 4: UFO cases are the Flatwood Monster's case, the Mothman case,
Speaker 4: the Grinning Man case, and the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin encounter.
Speaker 4: So there's even a goblin in here. Bre you very
Speaker 4: well done, how great for Halloween. So first off, this
Speaker 4: Flatwood Monster case, this is very well known case in
Speaker 4: the community, of course, and it just happens to take
Speaker 4: place in the very same year of the famous UFO
Speaker 4: flyover in Washington, d C. This case started in the
Speaker 4: evening of September twelfth, nineteen fifty two, in West Virginia,
Speaker 4: when two brothers Ed and Fred May and their friend
Speaker 4: Tommy Hier saw a bright object in the sky and
Speaker 4: it didn't follow a direct trajectory to the ground. Instead
Speaker 4: of it like going straight right to left down into
Speaker 4: the ground, it paused and lowered as if it was landing,
Speaker 4: And this got the boys attention, so they ran home
Speaker 4: and they told their mother, Kathleen, and she gathered several people,
Speaker 4: including a US guardsman, to come with them to go
Speaker 4: check out the site. So they all went out there
Speaker 4: and as they approached it, they noticed this metallic object
Speaker 4: that looked like a saucer, and it was resting in
Speaker 4: a field. It was described as being over ten feet
Speaker 4: in diameter and giving off a greenish light. The group
Speaker 4: ran up the top of this hill to get a
Speaker 4: better perspective where they saw pulsating red light. They aimed
Speaker 4: the flashlight the direction of that, and they momentarily saw
Speaker 4: this tall, manlike figure with a round red face and
Speaker 4: glowing eyes. The eyes admitted a green orange light, and
Speaker 4: it was surrounded by a pointed hoodlike shape like that
Speaker 4: of an ace of spades is how they described it.
Speaker 4: The figure it appeared to be wearing a dark metallic
Speaker 4: suit and had long, spinly arms and claw like hands,
Speaker 4: another thing we hear oftentimes. The witnesses described this creature
Speaker 4: as being around ten to twelve feet tall and emitting
Speaker 4: a hissing sound. They said it turned left and right
Speaker 4: as if it was scanning the area, and it seemed
Speaker 4: very mechanical to them. The figure then glided towards the
Speaker 4: group they screened, and the guy with the flashlight dropped it,
Speaker 4: causing him all the run away, and they all said
Speaker 4: that they had smelt a pungent mist, and later many
Speaker 4: of them felt nauseated, they think from this mist. Local
Speaker 4: sheriff and deputy had been investigating reports of a crashed
Speaker 4: aircraft in the area. They searched the site of the
Speaker 4: reported monster, but they did not see anything. However, the
Speaker 4: next day Lee Stewart, Junior of the Braxton Democratic paper,
Speaker 4: claimed to have discovered skid marks in the field and
Speaker 4: an odd gummy deposit, which later they subsequently attributed to
Speaker 4: the UFO saucer landing. The case of the Flatwood Monster
Speaker 4: became a sensation in the media, various theories and explanations
Speaker 4: being put forward to explain this strange encounter, saying that
Speaker 4: the bright light in the sky reported by the witnesses
Speaker 4: was most likely just a meteor, and that the pulsating
Speaker 4: red light was likely an aircraft navigation system or a
Speaker 4: hazard beacon, and that the creature itself, the way it
Speaker 4: was described by witnesses closely resembled that of an owl.
Speaker 4: This was a big story at the time and became
Speaker 4: a national story, which was rated number eleven for that
Speaker 4: year in nineteen fifty two. The story attracted media attention
Speaker 4: that led to investigators by local and national UFO enthusiasts,
Speaker 4: including a visit from the US Air Force under Project
Speaker 4: Blue Book, which also unquote investigated the sighting, but they
Speaker 4: concluded it was most likely just a meteor and a
Speaker 4: misidentification of local wildlife or possibly weather phenomenon. So of note,
Speaker 4: it is interesting that the reporters say that each of
Speaker 4: the people that witness this told the exact same story,
Speaker 4: and they all stuck to this story later in life.
Speaker 4: There's documentaries out there now with these guys, and it's
Speaker 4: fifty years later and they still recount and stick to
Speaker 4: that exact same story. Remember, this was the first well
Speaker 4: publicized case that involved seeing an actual, let's call it
Speaker 4: alien being. Benny and Barney Hill doesn't happen for another
Speaker 4: ten years, so there's really nothing in the legitimate history
Speaker 4: to go on. It's not like this was out there
Speaker 4: in the nomenclature. We didn't say alien. It wasn't really
Speaker 4: out there. And to this day, it's a very unique case.
Speaker 4: I don't even recall, bree to you, any cases of
Speaker 4: being that look like that. It's kind of like half mechanical,
Speaker 4: half biological, right, it's a weird thing, and.
Speaker 5: It's so weird looking. I'm going to call it an extraterrestrial.
Speaker 5: I don't think it looks anything like an owl. But
Speaker 5: this is the first time we're seeing something that, to
Speaker 5: me almost sounds like a mix of a flesh and
Speaker 5: blood creature, but almost like a robotwood monster. The first cyborg,
Speaker 5: the first cyborg. That's that's interesting.
Speaker 4: But wait, there's more. There's actually at least two other
Speaker 4: very similar encounters of this being. Several days before the
Speaker 4: event in flat Woods, a woman named Odra Harper, who
Speaker 4: lived just five miles north of Flatwoods, said she was
Speaker 4: walking through the woods with her friends and they saw
Speaker 4: a giant ball of fire on a hill. Thinking nothing
Speaker 4: of this, assuming it was just a farmer burning something
Speaker 4: in the field, they glanced back and then she realized
Speaker 4: that that ball of fire had turned into a dark
Speaker 4: silhouette of an eerily tall man emerging right from that
Speaker 4: spot where the flames were. The day after the flat
Speaker 4: Woods incident, on the thirteenth, a young couple was driving
Speaker 4: en Route twenty just south of flat Woods when their
Speaker 4: car broke down. Their name was George and Edith Snikowski,
Speaker 4: and they were with their eighteen month old son, and
Speaker 4: they were desperate to get back on the road because
Speaker 4: it was getting dark and they smelled sulfur and saw
Speaker 4: a bright light filled the sky, and their car suddenly died.
Speaker 4: When they looked up, they saw a ten foot what
Speaker 4: they called monster hovering right in front of them. It
Speaker 4: had clawed hands and a reptilian looking head. This creature
Speaker 4: touched their car before running off into the woods. The
Speaker 4: vehicle suddenly started right back up again, actually bre Over
Speaker 4: that twenty four hour period, over one hundred reports of
Speaker 4: flying objects and crashes called in in that exact area.
Speaker 4: So what I do find interesting in these stories are
Speaker 4: the elements that have become staples in first person accounts
Speaker 4: of supposed aliens, like the car dying. We now think
Speaker 4: of that as standard operating procedure in an incident like this,
Speaker 4: the car dying, But in nineteen fifty two it was
Speaker 4: completely unknown. So I find that credible that, you know,
Speaker 4: later people are recounting the same thing happening in their instances.
Speaker 4: You know. Also there's the large glowing eyes, the spinly arms,
Speaker 4: So there are a lot of elements that do make
Speaker 4: this case very interesting, if not credible.
Speaker 5: What do you think I absolutely agree with you. The
Speaker 5: car stopping, the sulfur smell, that's something very common with
Speaker 5: et encounters as well, the smell of a soul free
Speaker 5: or just unpleasant smell, not just ET's but paranormal encounters.
Speaker 5: The red pulsing light, something we see often the family
Speaker 5: the maze. They brought their dog with them. Their dog
Speaker 5: had ran out to the craft first and had a
Speaker 5: strange reaction and ran straight back home. The sickness altogether
Speaker 5: sort of resembled the exposure to mustard gas. So I
Speaker 5: thought that was very interesting. This seems to be sort
Speaker 5: of the first instances where we have actual craft and
Speaker 5: beings stepping foot on our soil.
Speaker 4: Absolutely okay, Well, now Bree's gonna sing for us a
Speaker 4: Flatwood Monster song that she wrote, Uh red you want? Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: I guess she's not up for that right now. But
Speaker 4: when we come back, we're going to take a look
Speaker 4: at the Mothman case from nineteen sixty six. You're listening
Speaker 4: to Beyond on Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Speaker 4: Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact.
Speaker 4: I am Captain Ron. We're talking with producer Bree today
Speaker 4: and Brie we're talking about these UFO cases that have
Speaker 4: monsters in them, like the Flatwood Monster now let's talk
Speaker 4: about this Mothman case from nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 5: Interesting enough, this is also in West Virginia, about twenty
Speaker 5: five miles away from Flatwoods. To me, that's relatively close.
Speaker 5: And ten or so years later, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: crossover in this case. I'm sure most people have either
Speaker 5: seen the movie or read the book the Mothman Prophecies.
Speaker 5: I think that's very common, and that was based off
Speaker 5: of a non fictional book of the accounts that happened
Speaker 5: around a thirteen month period in Point Pleasant. We have
Speaker 5: November fifteenth being the first national publicized case, but there
Speaker 5: were many reports before that, starting of the first of
Speaker 5: November in nineteen sixty six. One thing that makes this
Speaker 5: a hot spot, I believe, was a huge area about
Speaker 5: eight thousand acres or so of an old manufacturing plant
Speaker 5: that was abandoned right after World War Two, and instead
Speaker 5: of giving that land back to the state, instead they
Speaker 5: made it a dumping ground for chemicals and other toxic waste.
Speaker 5: So this area became very popular and it was known
Speaker 5: as the TNT area. Just as early as November first,
Speaker 5: we have a National guardsman who reports this figure in
Speaker 5: a tree, and then less than two weeks later, we
Speaker 5: have about five men that also sees the humanoid figure.
Speaker 5: And when I find really interesting and I think this
Speaker 5: is going to be a word. We hear a lot
Speaker 5: in this episode is gliding. These accounts with either a
Speaker 5: being or the craft, they seem to glide almost float.
Speaker 5: Kenneth Duncan, who was the main person that came out
Speaker 5: about this story, he said, quote, it was gliding through
Speaker 5: the trees and in my sight for about a minute,
Speaker 5: but it didn't look like any bird. It was a man,
Speaker 5: a man with wings. Another very interesting story, more on
Speaker 5: the UFO side, is the story of Merl Partridge. You
Speaker 5: can listen to this this on audio recording and that
Speaker 5: makes it a little bit more real. He's a farm owner.
Speaker 5: He said. It was about ten thirty at night and
Speaker 5: the TV started winding winding up like it was a
Speaker 5: high pitched generator. So imagine just hanging out, you know,
Speaker 5: trying to unwind from the day, and you're watching TV
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, your TV just makes this
Speaker 5: ridiculously loud electrical sound. It was so loud. He describes
Speaker 5: the TV as screaming that exact same time. His dog
Speaker 5: banned it. Who was on the front porch. He just
Speaker 5: starts going crazy. He's barking. The whole situation seems like
Speaker 5: it's chaos. In that one minute, he jumps up to
Speaker 5: try to turn the TV down from making this ridiculously
Speaker 5: loud noise, and before he could even make it to
Speaker 5: the TV, it shatters, just glass everywhere, all over the
Speaker 5: middle of his floor. So he's freaked out, just immediately
Speaker 5: runs out of the house, and at that exact same time,
Speaker 5: his dog banned it also books it. He runs down
Speaker 5: to the field. There was nothing down in that field
Speaker 5: except for a really small pumphouse. So he's calling for
Speaker 5: the dog, trying to find the dog, and he said,
Speaker 5: when I look down there, all I seen were red
Speaker 5: lights going around intermittent. So he's looking down, he's seeing
Speaker 5: these strange red lights going around, his dog is barking.
Speaker 5: He's calling his dog. He said, the first thing he
Speaker 5: thought was that it could have been a helicopter, but
Speaker 5: there was zero sound. All he could see were those
Speaker 5: red lights going around. He stayed out there for almost
Speaker 5: thirty minutes trying to call the dog back, and he wouldn't,
Speaker 5: and at that point he just went inside to help
Speaker 5: his wife clean up. They went to bed. He didn't
Speaker 5: think anything of it. Their dog banned it, never came home,
Speaker 5: he was never seen again. I find that pretty sad.
Speaker 5: But the similarities with the high pitched sound that we
Speaker 5: also hear about in some cases where it's a little
Speaker 5: bit more paranormal, there's some type of electrical interference going on,
Speaker 5: and I can't even imagine the type of pulse it
Speaker 5: would take for your TV screen to shatter, just to
Speaker 5: blow out.
Speaker 4: An electrical surge of some kind.
Speaker 5: But at the exact same time with the dog barking
Speaker 5: and going crazy, you know, he's forever going to remember
Speaker 5: that moment, not only because he thinks there was a
Speaker 5: strange yo foe that landed and blew out his TV,
Speaker 5: but also that the dog went to investigate and never
Speaker 5: came back home. So that was the first kind of
Speaker 5: instance that we have. And then we have the start
Speaker 5: of the major, the major first sighting on November fifteenth,
Speaker 5: which so happens to be my birthday. This is a
Speaker 5: pretty famous encounter of two couples, Steven Mary Mallett and
Speaker 5: Roger and Linda Scarberry. They're out the TNT area. They're
Speaker 5: racing their cars, you know, partying around and As they
Speaker 5: pass the North power Plant, they notice a man just
Speaker 5: standing in the middle of the road, and as they
Speaker 5: got closer, they noticed that this man was at least
Speaker 5: seven feet tall and his skin was light gray in color.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, these wings come out from behind
Speaker 5: his back and the thing starts chasing them. These people
Speaker 5: are freaked out. They jump on Route sixties too. They're
Speaker 5: headed to the sheriff's office, and as they're driving around,
Speaker 5: they look out of their window and notice that this
Speaker 5: being is chasing them still, and he stays hovered over
Speaker 5: the car the entire time, and they're reaching speeds about
Speaker 5: one hundred miles an hour. I think he goes up
Speaker 5: to one hundred and five. They take a sharp left
Speaker 5: turn and they come across the being again and he's
Speaker 5: standing on a billboard. So they're kind of shocked, like,
Speaker 5: how is this thing right behind us? We take a
Speaker 5: sharp left turn, and all of a sudden he's in
Speaker 5: front of us, and he's just standing on top of
Speaker 5: the billboard. They didn't notice.
Speaker 4: After than they are, and they said they're going one
Speaker 4: hundred and.
Speaker 5: Five right, so you can only imagine. They said that
Speaker 5: they couldn't hear the wings flapping as it was above them,
Speaker 5: but they could hear a mouse like squeaking. What is
Speaker 5: that sound that they heard at Flatwoods, Yeah, a hissing squeaky. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's very interesting. Oddly enough, the beings stopped chasing them
Speaker 5: as soon as they reached the city limits. After reporting
Speaker 5: that to the sheriff. This just got insane and from
Speaker 5: then on, all of these encounters started happening in Point Pleasant.
Speaker 5: It was pretty much like a mass hysteria in the town.
Speaker 5: People started, you know, arming up with their firearms you
Speaker 5: can imagine, like grab your pitchforks, and there were so
Speaker 5: many people out there that they ended up deploying the
Speaker 5: National Guard to control crowds of people that were all
Speaker 5: headed into this TNT area to try to chase down
Speaker 5: this terrorizing creature. And it was reported that at one
Speaker 5: time there were literally miles of cars just trying to
Speaker 5: get into the TNT area. This was something the town
Speaker 5: took very seriously. Though this isn't the first encounter of
Speaker 5: a light gray skinned being. There was another woman who
Speaker 5: was right outside her sister's house and saw a UFO
Speaker 5: appear in the sky and it was heading straight towards
Speaker 5: the house. She turns around and sees a being right
Speaker 5: in front of her, and she kind of gets choked up,
Speaker 5: like she freezes her flight or flight is kicking in
Speaker 5: and she falls. She gets only a foot away from
Speaker 5: this being. It was also, like I said, light gray
Speaker 5: and skin. It was at least seven feet tall. She
Speaker 5: gets up, she makes it right before the door slam shut.
Speaker 5: The whole family claims that the being was trying to
Speaker 5: get into the house, going on the windows, trying to
Speaker 5: scrape at the door. This poor lady Marcella, she kind
Speaker 5: of goes in an out of consciousness because the whole
Speaker 5: thing was quite an ordeal. She claims still to this
Speaker 5: day that she knew the being was not from here.
Speaker 5: That's all she could feel. What's interesting is Virginia Thomas,
Speaker 5: who was Marcella's sister. She was at church that night,
Speaker 5: so she missed the instance. She claims to get visions
Speaker 5: from time to time, and she did tell reporters before
Speaker 5: this that she had a vision that very same day
Speaker 5: and told them quote, a creature would appear frighten people
Speaker 5: but not harm them.
Speaker 4: I think that the mothman also is considered to be
Speaker 4: a like a predictor correct like of bad things to come.
Speaker 5: That's an interesting note there.
Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to finish up with
Speaker 4: the Mothman and then go into another case from nineteen
Speaker 4: sixty six, that's the Grinning Man Ingrid Cold. You're listening
Speaker 4: to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast
Speaker 4: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact
Speaker 4: and we're discussing interesting historical UFO cases. But first let's
Speaker 4: finish up with the Mothman. Briy.
Speaker 5: A lot of instances from here on out always accompanied
Speaker 5: by some sort of UFO. People notice the UFO and
Speaker 5: the sky and then look down and there's this being
Speaker 5: standing in front of them. Some cases, people noticed a
Speaker 5: UFO outside of their house and as they looked out
Speaker 5: the window, the being's just standing there in the window
Speaker 5: or the front lawn. Many people reported being able to
Speaker 5: feel something from this creature, that it had a sense
Speaker 5: of sorrow and sadness, and they felt that it was
Speaker 5: trying to communicate with them. And so all of these
Speaker 5: sightings start happening, I mean major UFO sidings. The newspaper
Speaker 5: had to open up a special office just for the
Speaker 5: people that were calling in about their UFO sidings.
Speaker 4: All of everyone associates Mothman with these UFO sightings, which
Speaker 4: is in fact true.
Speaker 5: It is very true. I mean the first ones were
Speaker 5: just this grayish being, and then from there on it's
Speaker 5: always with the UFO, and these sightings kind of continued
Speaker 5: flooding in until it seemed to come to a very
Speaker 5: sudden stop when the Silver Bridge collapsed about ten days
Speaker 5: before Christmas, and forty six people died. Some bodies weren't
Speaker 5: even recovered. So that became this sort of idea that
Speaker 5: floated around that maybe the Mothman came as a bad
Speaker 5: omen or maybe it was trying to warn people. It
Speaker 5: was always in the TNT area, so a part of
Speaker 5: me was thinking, maybe it was trying to keep people
Speaker 5: away from the toxic waste plant. Maybe it was emitting
Speaker 5: this sad feeling and trying to communicate to warn them
Speaker 5: about what was to come.
Speaker 4: Yes, the Mothman. The bridge going down is of course
Speaker 4: the famous tie in with Mothman. Also, now I guess
Speaker 4: born on the same day that Brie was is the
Speaker 4: Mothman day, So that's an interesting coincidence. I don't know.
Speaker 4: This next case is a bit less known but interesting nonetheless,
Speaker 4: it's called the Grinning Man and it's named Ingrid Cold.
Speaker 4: Tell us about this one.
Speaker 5: Brie, Indrid Cold is a very interesting encounter. This is
Speaker 5: also in West Virginia, and interestingly enough, this happens the
Speaker 5: very next day after the first reported mothman case, so
Speaker 5: this is the exact same timeframe. There is a man
Speaker 5: named Woodrow darren Berger who's driving home. He's on Highway
Speaker 5: seventy seven. He knows this is a car coming up
Speaker 5: from behind him, and as it gets closer, he realizes
Speaker 5: it's not a car. It's a strange object that he
Speaker 5: said was traveling at the same speed of his truck.
Speaker 5: But it then cut in front of his vehicle, traveling sideways.
Speaker 5: This object lands right in front of him. It is
Speaker 5: a straight up UFO. It is dark gray in color,
Speaker 5: thirty to forty feet long. It's like an oval shape,
Speaker 5: but it has a flat bottom. He said it looked
Speaker 5: a little bit like a kerosene lamp. This object lowers
Speaker 5: to the ground and a hatchl like door opens up,
Speaker 5: and this man walks out of the craft. And as
Speaker 5: soon as he walks out of the craft, the craft
Speaker 5: starts to go back up again. About seventy five feet
Speaker 5: in the air, just hovering there. This man is six
Speaker 5: feet tall. He looked maybe thirty five to forty years old.
Speaker 5: He had slicked back hair, a top hat. He was
Speaker 5: in a buttoned up suit that was a shiny navy material.
Speaker 5: And he starts talking to Woodrow, but not verbally. He
Speaker 5: starts communicating telepathically, and he refers to himself as Indred Cold,
Speaker 5: and that he is a seeker. He telepathically tells Woodrow
Speaker 5: that he's not there to hurt him, he has no
Speaker 5: reason to fear him, and oddly he ends this encounter
Speaker 5: telling Woodrow that he will see him again that same
Speaker 5: exact day, on November two in Galipos, Ohio. It's right
Speaker 5: next to point Pleasant. We have another woman who sees
Speaker 5: this bright flash in the sky right above her, and
Speaker 5: she describes it as a cylindrical object. It lands in
Speaker 5: a parking lot and Indred, the exact same looking man
Speaker 5: that was described by Woodrow, walks out of it, but
Speaker 5: she doesn't talk to him. She gets a little bit
Speaker 5: scared and she books it out as I would as well. Coincidentally,
Speaker 5: the exact same day again, so this is the third
Speaker 5: sighting on the same day, there were two men who
Speaker 5: were driving again on Highway seventy seven. They came across
Speaker 5: a man just standing there so without the craft, who
Speaker 5: also told him that he was injured cold, and they
Speaker 5: said he had a very ominous presence about him. He's
Speaker 5: just grinning and his smile is comical smile. It's almost
Speaker 5: so large it's inhuman. It looks like the smile is
Speaker 5: coming off the side of his face. So I imagine
Speaker 5: injured Cold almost looking like the Joker, especially the newer Jokers.
Speaker 5: His slip back hair, this very strange face, this overly
Speaker 5: just exaggerated smile where it just looks creepy Woodrow. The
Speaker 5: first person who encountered the grinning man said he could
Speaker 5: speak to him teleopathically after that and he would give
Speaker 5: him messages. I do think it's interesting that this injured
Speaker 5: Cold was seen by many many people companied with that
Speaker 5: strange of a foe, and that this was the exact
Speaker 5: same timeframe as the mothman sightings in West Virginia.
Speaker 4: It's interesting how a lot of these things seem to
Speaker 4: tie in, or they have little tiny elements that are similar.
Speaker 4: How could that be, you know, why would the telepathicness
Speaker 4: we see it in all these other alien cases. Telepathic
Speaker 4: communication is almost universal, I would say, right.
Speaker 5: Absolutely definitely. Telepathic communication, gray skin, the gliding all very similar.
Speaker 4: Gliding, the way that these things move. These are all
Speaker 4: four different cases that we're talking about today, but there's
Speaker 4: other cases throughout history that have these similar little sort
Speaker 4: of tent poles, Like their local motion is not like
Speaker 4: a person walking the telepathic thing. You brought up the
Speaker 4: dog earlier. The dog is in the next case as well,
Speaker 4: that there's a dog that gets spooked by this thing
Speaker 4: as well. So I find it very interesting how there's
Speaker 4: so many similarities across these things, even though describe them
Speaker 4: in such different ways. Now, of course, part of this
Speaker 4: is from that person's view. Maybe if somebody else saw
Speaker 4: this same exact thing, they might describe it differently.
Speaker 5: That is a great point. Even though this isn't a movie.
Speaker 5: There is a part in the Mofman Prophecies. He's on
Speaker 5: the phone with Indrid Cold. Indred Cold is calling him
Speaker 5: and he says, what do you look like? And Indred says,
Speaker 5: it depends on who's looking.
Speaker 4: And that's that's great.
Speaker 5: Incredibly, because I think we also come across sightings where
Speaker 5: people are seeing something definitely, but they might describe it
Speaker 5: a little bit differently. It does remind me something that
Speaker 5: the both of us talk about sometime when you know,
Speaker 5: the Spanish came and the natives didn't even know what
Speaker 5: they were looking at. It's the same thing. You have
Speaker 5: no concept of what you're looking at, nor do you
Speaker 5: have any context to what it could be, and it
Speaker 5: could just be how our brains interpret reference.
Speaker 4: So there's two other things going on here. Number one,
Speaker 4: it's the verbiage that people use. Two people might have
Speaker 4: the identical experience with an identical being, and one would
Speaker 4: say it's a spirit, or it's a ghost, or it's
Speaker 4: a saint or something religious. Maybe that's their background. Somebody
Speaker 4: else might say, if they're more scientific, they might say
Speaker 4: it's an alien. They might say it's an escaped you know,
Speaker 4: mutation gone wrong from some labs somewhere. Who knows. I mean,
Speaker 4: everybody's got their own different take and what they think
Speaker 4: it is. But also in that moment, all of these
Speaker 4: cases we're discussing today, people are arguably in a state
Speaker 4: of panic. I mean, you're coming up on this hill
Speaker 4: and this thing moves towards you. You're not thinking clearly,
Speaker 4: you're just like, oh my god, the hell is that thing?
Speaker 4: You don't really know what you're looking at. Nobody identifies
Speaker 4: these things. If it was an owl, they would go, oh,
Speaker 4: it looks like an owl, or whatever that case may be.
Speaker 4: But these are things that people have never experienced. That's
Speaker 4: why they don't even have the words for it.
Speaker 5: Imagine a shot of adrenaline spurts across your spine and
Speaker 5: you just don't know what to do. You don't know
Speaker 5: how to react. That's also why memories, you know, there's
Speaker 5: little bits and pieces that are missing there because you're
Speaker 5: just kind of in that survival mode. And I think
Speaker 5: that's why there's an overwhelming sense of fear. Actually, in
Speaker 5: all of these cases, the beings that they came across
Speaker 5: were not trying to hurt them. They didn't harm them
Speaker 5: at all. It's just the overwhelming sense of fear because
Speaker 5: we don't understand what we're seeing that we interpret it
Speaker 5: to be a threat.
Speaker 4: And you know, I don't know how i'd react to
Speaker 4: any of these things. I just hope to God I
Speaker 4: never wake up and see some alien looking being at
Speaker 4: the end of my bed. I'm afraid of that. Ever, happening.
Speaker 5: That's too bad. You should be kind of excited and welcoming.
Speaker 4: Well, people all tell me, yeah, don't you want to
Speaker 4: meet this? No.
Speaker 5: I there was a mothman sighting of a woman who
Speaker 5: kept seeing UFOs outside of her house and she wakes
Speaker 5: up them mill of the night and sees this thing,
Speaker 5: the mothman, hovering over her. And I'll take a reptilian,
Speaker 5: I think over a very tall, gray winged creature.
Speaker 4: I don't want to see anything.
Speaker 5: Just don't spread the wings.
Speaker 4: Brie. I need to stop you from going on and
Speaker 4: on and on and on and on and on and
Speaker 4: boring our audience. We need to move on to the
Speaker 4: next segment. When we come back, we're going to look
Speaker 4: at one more case, the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin Encounter. Love
Speaker 4: that name. Can't say it, but I love the name.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
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Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. I'm speaking with producer Breed today about some
Speaker 4: classic UFO cases. We have one more today called the
Speaker 4: Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin Encounter, which is a fascinating and bizarre
Speaker 4: event that took place back on August twenty first, nineteen
Speaker 4: fifty five, in a rural area right where the town
Speaker 4: of Kelly and Hopkinsville, Kentucky are. According to the witnesses,
Speaker 4: the encounter began when one member of the Sutton family
Speaker 4: went out of the farmhouse and they were outside and
Speaker 4: they saw a meteor or bright light go across the
Speaker 4: sky that seemed to land in a nearby field. Instead
Speaker 4: of crashing down like a meteor wood, it seemed to
Speaker 4: sort of land again, kind of like the Flatwood's case.
Speaker 4: Some strange noises outside their farmhouse, and so they went
Speaker 4: outside to investigate. Walking around, they found these two to
Speaker 4: four foot tall what they called at the time goblin
Speaker 4: like creatures, again not knowing what to describe these things,
Speaker 4: as the creatures were described as having large round heads,
Speaker 4: long thin limbs, oversized bug eyes, pointed ears, long arms,
Speaker 4: and claw like hands. They seemed silver and moved in
Speaker 4: a bizarre floating manner, again the local motion that we
Speaker 4: talked about, and also they emitted another strange, high pitched
Speaker 4: hissing sound like we've heard in at least two of
Speaker 4: the other cases today. As the creatures approached the farmhouse,
Speaker 4: the Suttons in Their friends armed themselves with firearms, believing
Speaker 4: that their lives were in danger, so in this case,
Speaker 4: they did feel like these creatures were coming at them.
Speaker 4: They reported that the creatures attempted to enter the house
Speaker 4: through the windows, and that they would peer in and
Speaker 4: then disappear when they approached them. A series of frantic
Speaker 4: moments unfolded, and the group fired shots at the beings,
Speaker 4: claiming that the bullets seemed to have no effect. They
Speaker 4: described the creatures as appearing to be impervious to their gunfire,
Speaker 4: as they would simply roll away from it. They did
Speaker 4: a somersault move and went away from the bullets, which
Speaker 4: only seemed to make the people more scared. Later that night,
Speaker 4: five adults and seven children went to the Hopkinsville police
Speaker 4: station claiming that small possible alien creatures from spaceship were
Speaker 4: attacking them at their farmhouse and that they'd been holding
Speaker 4: them off with gunfire for three to four hours. Concerned
Speaker 4: about the gunfire, four different police officials, five state troopers,
Speaker 4: three deputy sheriffs, and even four military police officers all
Speaker 4: came down to the Sutton farmhouse. Their search yielded nothing
Speaker 4: other than the evidence of gunfire and holes in the
Speaker 4: window and the door, and the screens made from their gunfire.
Speaker 4: This was a Christian household, and there was no alcohol
Speaker 4: consumed by any of the witnesses. The family story received
Speaker 4: widespread coverage in local and then national press. Early articles
Speaker 4: didn't refer to them as little green men, but later
Speaker 4: newspapers started calling them little green men as per usual.
Speaker 4: Uphologists regarded as one of the most significant and well
Speaker 4: documented cases in history. Skeptics maintained that there was no
Speaker 4: real physical evidence for the encounter, and that the reports
Speaker 4: were due to the effects of them being over excited
Speaker 4: and misidentifying. Great horned owls, which are also nocturnal, fly
Speaker 4: silently yellow eyes, and they aggressively defend their nests. And
Speaker 4: they also say that the meteor sightings occurred on that
Speaker 4: same night, so that would have been the light in
Speaker 4: the sky that he saw. Project Bluebook also quote unquote
Speaker 4: in investigated this case, calling it simply a hoax. I
Speaker 4: find this a very interesting case as well. I like
Speaker 4: that they called them goblins. It's nineteen fifty five. They
Speaker 4: really have no idea what they're dealing with. I still
Speaker 4: have no idea what they were dealing with. What could
Speaker 4: possibly have happened to these people. I have no idea.
Speaker 4: I do find it interesting to hear elements again in
Speaker 4: their story that we hear time and time again in
Speaker 4: stories of the Grays again, the long, spiny arms, the
Speaker 4: big glowing eyes, the silver suit. The same themes are
Speaker 4: heard over and over. I find it very difficult to
Speaker 4: believe that this was a hoax. There are a lot
Speaker 4: of witnesses here who all seem to have stuck to
Speaker 4: their same story. The fact that there were seven children there,
Speaker 4: some of them were very small. This was a family
Speaker 4: in the early fifties. I can't even imagine they would
Speaker 4: fire guns inside their house and drive their kids to
Speaker 4: the station at midnight for a joke. It seems unlikely
Speaker 4: to me. If it was a hoax, it would have
Speaker 4: been a couple of the guys outside or something. But
Speaker 4: there's gunfire throughout their home inside, and in this case,
Speaker 4: I find it very unlikely that the family misidentified horned owls.
Speaker 4: They live in the middle of nowhere. Surely they would
Speaker 4: have seen owls before, and the gunfire, I would think,
Speaker 4: would scare off anything like an owl. They wouldn't keep
Speaker 4: coming back for three or four hours NonStop. I have
Speaker 4: no idea what scared these poor people, but I do
Speaker 4: not like the canned explanation that it was a meteor
Speaker 4: and then they saw owls. That seems even harder to believe.
Speaker 4: What do you think, Brie?
Speaker 5: I had this funny vision in my head of a
Speaker 5: stitch looking you know from Lailo and Stitch looking being
Speaker 5: just going around doing somersaults. Can't help but kind of
Speaker 5: laugh at that. I think it is ridiculous that they
Speaker 5: said it could have been an owl. That is the
Speaker 5: go to excuse, along with swamp gas and you know
Speaker 5: venus it's an owl. Yet a great point that if
Speaker 5: they're shooting rounds, which I think they went through like
Speaker 5: a hundred rounds of gunfire, ye, there's no way that
Speaker 5: an owl is going to stick around for that. There's
Speaker 5: just no way in hell. And these are countryfolk. They
Speaker 5: know what an owl looks like, they know their surroundings,
Speaker 5: they know, you know, the animals and the birds in
Speaker 5: that area. There's no way all of a sudden they
Speaker 5: would be freaked out by a bunch of owls. I
Speaker 5: also thought it's pretty interesting that one of them said
Speaker 5: that when he shot at one of these beings, it
Speaker 5: didn't fall like you would assume, it floated down, almost
Speaker 5: like it was gliding. So again we have that strange
Speaker 5: movement between these creatures.
Speaker 4: I think. I think it's very interesting how there's so
Speaker 4: many ties to all four of these cases, which are
Speaker 4: very unique cases, yet there's underlying elements of each of
Speaker 4: the four that tie in together that keep repeating themselves.
Speaker 5: These beings in Hopkinsville had long gray arms just like flatwoods,
Speaker 5: and that they had quaal like talents on their hands.
Speaker 5: That's exactly like flatwoods. I think it's funny that you
Speaker 5: mentioned that there were green because the original one they
Speaker 5: were almost silver in color. They look like they're wearing
Speaker 5: these little silver suits that to me is more like
Speaker 5: these grays or even the android version of grays. Mofman
Speaker 5: and in Kentucky Hopkinsville, they both have their own festivals
Speaker 5: for these sightings.
Speaker 4: And we've heard each of those things in other cases
Speaker 4: previous and recently. Of course. The other thing I found
Speaker 4: interesting is, of course I did a lot of research
Speaker 4: on all of these cases and did a deep dive,
Speaker 4: and you see as these stories evolve over the year,
Speaker 4: new things get added to the story. A newspaper personal
Speaker 4: ad that there were green a newspaper personal ad. So
Speaker 4: like these little elements, I of course always always always
Speaker 4: like to go back to the original report. There are
Speaker 4: cases that years later they called it a UFO, that
Speaker 4: he said he saw ufo outside, But when you go
Speaker 4: back you read his statement he said he saw a
Speaker 4: meteor or a shooting star. He never said UFO or spacecraft.
Speaker 4: So these things get added. So I don't like how
Speaker 4: these stories all get colored over the years as they
Speaker 4: get more famous and get more written about, because everyone
Speaker 4: else has to add their own thing. But that's what
Speaker 4: happens in this community. We're going to have to stop
Speaker 4: there for the debris. Thank you for coming on, thank
Speaker 4: you for joining me, and good luck editing this piece.
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me on. It is very interesting
Speaker 5: to be on the microphone and.
Speaker 4: So don't worry about it. This will be okay, just.
Speaker 5: One and done. That's all I got my five minutes.
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