1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Captain Rong. 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact, 12 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news that you follow, discuss some 13 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: of the classic cases, and bring you the latest information 14 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: from the newest cases as we talked with the top experts. 15 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 4: Welcome to a special Halloween edition of Beyond Contact. I 16 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 4: am Captain Ron, and today we're going to be taking 17 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 4: a look at four of the more unique, scary and 18 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 4: interesting cases in history. Today, I'm going to be joined 19 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 4: by Brianna, who is the brains behind this operation. She's 20 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 4: the producer of Beyond Contact she's been in this community 21 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 4: for quite some time now, and she's had her own podcast, 22 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 4: and she not only produces the Beyond Contact podcast, but 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 4: she's also our producer for the Contact in the Desert conference, 24 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 4: so she certainly stays busy and we work hand in 25 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 4: hand all the time. So let's welcome Bree. 26 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for having me on. 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 4: Can't hear you? 28 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 5: You can't hear me? 29 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 4: No, turn your mic on? 30 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 5: It is on? Okay, hold on? How are we talking? 31 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, not talking? Hold on? 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 4: I thought you said this was set up and ready 33 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 4: to go. What's going on? 34 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 5: She's gonna be fired? You really can't hear me? 35 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: Free? What this being trick or treat season? I thought 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 4: that that would be a trick for Brie. She can 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 4: be heard by all of us of course, Oh my god, 38 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 4: I'm the first time on the air that I will 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 4: give her a little bit of a hard time and makeure. 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 4: So there's your trick or treat for the season three. 41 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 4: So welcome on the air. 42 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 5: How you doing, Thanks for having me Ron, I'm doing great. 43 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 5: This should be a fun episode. We always have a 44 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 5: good time chatting, so I'm excited to get into it. 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 4: We certainly do. And you know, you and I a 46 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 4: lot of times talk about how a lot of these 47 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 4: things overlap. 48 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 5: Definitely, I think it should be a little bit of 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 5: a disclaimer that even though this seems like it's very 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 5: halloweeny and more paranormal, these things totally overlap with each other. 51 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 5: I don't think it's fair that we continue to put 52 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 5: things into boxes. You know, the unknown is the unknown, 53 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 5: All of it seems to coincide together. I just kind 54 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 5: of feel like if we just say something is a 55 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 5: certain way, then it completely blocks us off from all 56 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 5: the other possibilities. And so I think a lot of 57 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 5: the things that we'll talk about today you may not 58 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 5: think could be alien in nature, but it absolutely has 59 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 5: those same attributes. 60 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 4: And we never know. We don't really know what any 61 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 4: of these creatures are. We do know that they're unknown 62 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 4: and the people that witness them directly do not know 63 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 4: what they are. So could they be cryptids, could they 64 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 4: be spiritual, could they be interdimensional? We just don't know. 65 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 4: But it is fun to talk about, and we'll try 66 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 4: to get closer to the truth as we go along. 67 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 4: So in the spirit of Halloween, let's take a look 68 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 4: at these four specific, unique historical cases that have a 69 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: very nice scary Halloween feel to them. And those four 70 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 4: UFO cases are the Flatwood Monster's case, the Mothman case, 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 4: the Grinning Man case, and the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin encounter. 72 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 4: So there's even a goblin in here. Bre you very 73 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: well done, how great for Halloween. So first off, this 74 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 4: Flatwood Monster case, this is very well known case in 75 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 4: the community, of course, and it just happens to take 76 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 4: place in the very same year of the famous UFO 77 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 4: flyover in Washington, d C. This case started in the 78 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 4: evening of September twelfth, nineteen fifty two, in West Virginia, 79 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 4: when two brothers Ed and Fred May and their friend 80 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 4: Tommy Hier saw a bright object in the sky and 81 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 4: it didn't follow a direct trajectory to the ground. Instead 82 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: of it like going straight right to left down into 83 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 4: the ground, it paused and lowered as if it was landing, 84 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 4: And this got the boys attention, so they ran home 85 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 4: and they told their mother, Kathleen, and she gathered several people, 86 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 4: including a US guardsman, to come with them to go 87 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 4: check out the site. So they all went out there 88 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: and as they approached it, they noticed this metallic object 89 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 4: that looked like a saucer, and it was resting in 90 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 4: a field. It was described as being over ten feet 91 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 4: in diameter and giving off a greenish light. The group 92 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 4: ran up the top of this hill to get a 93 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 4: better perspective where they saw pulsating red light. They aimed 94 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 4: the flashlight the direction of that, and they momentarily saw 95 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 4: this tall, manlike figure with a round red face and 96 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 4: glowing eyes. The eyes admitted a green orange light, and 97 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 4: it was surrounded by a pointed hoodlike shape like that 98 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 4: of an ace of spades is how they described it. 99 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 4: The figure it appeared to be wearing a dark metallic 100 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 4: suit and had long, spinly arms and claw like hands, 101 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: another thing we hear oftentimes. The witnesses described this creature 102 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 4: as being around ten to twelve feet tall and emitting 103 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 4: a hissing sound. They said it turned left and right 104 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 4: as if it was scanning the area, and it seemed 105 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: very mechanical to them. The figure then glided towards the 106 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 4: group they screened, and the guy with the flashlight dropped it, 107 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 4: causing him all the run away, and they all said 108 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 4: that they had smelt a pungent mist, and later many 109 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 4: of them felt nauseated, they think from this mist. Local 110 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 4: sheriff and deputy had been investigating reports of a crashed 111 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 4: aircraft in the area. They searched the site of the 112 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 4: reported monster, but they did not see anything. However, the 113 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: next day Lee Stewart, Junior of the Braxton Democratic paper, 114 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: claimed to have discovered skid marks in the field and 115 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 4: an odd gummy deposit, which later they subsequently attributed to 116 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 4: the UFO saucer landing. The case of the Flatwood Monster 117 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: became a sensation in the media, various theories and explanations 118 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: being put forward to explain this strange encounter, saying that 119 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 4: the bright light in the sky reported by the witnesses 120 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 4: was most likely just a meteor, and that the pulsating 121 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: red light was likely an aircraft navigation system or a 122 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 4: hazard beacon, and that the creature itself, the way it 123 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: was described by witnesses closely resembled that of an owl. 124 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 4: This was a big story at the time and became 125 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 4: a national story, which was rated number eleven for that 126 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 4: year in nineteen fifty two. The story attracted media attention 127 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: that led to investigators by local and national UFO enthusiasts, 128 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 4: including a visit from the US Air Force under Project 129 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 4: Blue Book, which also unquote investigated the sighting, but they 130 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 4: concluded it was most likely just a meteor and a 131 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 4: misidentification of local wildlife or possibly weather phenomenon. So of note, 132 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: it is interesting that the reporters say that each of 133 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 4: the people that witness this told the exact same story, 134 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 4: and they all stuck to this story later in life. 135 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: There's documentaries out there now with these guys, and it's 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 4: fifty years later and they still recount and stick to 137 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: that exact same story. Remember, this was the first well 138 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 4: publicized case that involved seeing an actual, let's call it 139 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: alien being. Benny and Barney Hill doesn't happen for another 140 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 4: ten years, so there's really nothing in the legitimate history 141 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,119 Speaker 4: to go on. It's not like this was out there 142 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 4: in the nomenclature. We didn't say alien. It wasn't really 143 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 4: out there. And to this day, it's a very unique case. 144 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: I don't even recall, bree to you, any cases of 145 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: being that look like that. It's kind of like half mechanical, 146 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 4: half biological, right, it's a weird thing, and. 147 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 5: It's so weird looking. I'm going to call it an extraterrestrial. 148 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 5: I don't think it looks anything like an owl. But 149 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 5: this is the first time we're seeing something that, to 150 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 5: me almost sounds like a mix of a flesh and 151 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 5: blood creature, but almost like a robotwood monster. The first cyborg, 152 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 5: the first cyborg. That's that's interesting. 153 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 4: But wait, there's more. There's actually at least two other 154 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 4: very similar encounters of this being. Several days before the 155 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: event in flat Woods, a woman named Odra Harper, who 156 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 4: lived just five miles north of Flatwoods, said she was 157 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 4: walking through the woods with her friends and they saw 158 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 4: a giant ball of fire on a hill. Thinking nothing 159 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 4: of this, assuming it was just a farmer burning something 160 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 4: in the field, they glanced back and then she realized 161 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 4: that that ball of fire had turned into a dark 162 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: silhouette of an eerily tall man emerging right from that 163 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 4: spot where the flames were. The day after the flat 164 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 4: Woods incident, on the thirteenth, a young couple was driving 165 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 4: en Route twenty just south of flat Woods when their 166 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 4: car broke down. Their name was George and Edith Snikowski, 167 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 4: and they were with their eighteen month old son, and 168 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 4: they were desperate to get back on the road because 169 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 4: it was getting dark and they smelled sulfur and saw 170 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 4: a bright light filled the sky, and their car suddenly died. 171 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 4: When they looked up, they saw a ten foot what 172 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 4: they called monster hovering right in front of them. It 173 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 4: had clawed hands and a reptilian looking head. This creature 174 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 4: touched their car before running off into the woods. The 175 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 4: vehicle suddenly started right back up again, actually bre Over 176 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 4: that twenty four hour period, over one hundred reports of 177 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 4: flying objects and crashes called in in that exact area. 178 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 4: So what I do find interesting in these stories are 179 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 4: the elements that have become staples in first person accounts 180 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 4: of supposed aliens, like the car dying. We now think 181 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 4: of that as standard operating procedure in an incident like this, 182 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: the car dying, But in nineteen fifty two it was 183 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 4: completely unknown. So I find that credible that, you know, 184 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 4: later people are recounting the same thing happening in their instances. 185 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 4: You know. Also there's the large glowing eyes, the spinly arms, 186 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 4: So there are a lot of elements that do make 187 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 4: this case very interesting, if not credible. 188 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 5: What do you think I absolutely agree with you. The 189 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 5: car stopping, the sulfur smell, that's something very common with 190 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 5: et encounters as well, the smell of a soul free 191 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 5: or just unpleasant smell, not just ET's but paranormal encounters. 192 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 5: The red pulsing light, something we see often the family 193 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 5: the maze. They brought their dog with them. Their dog 194 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 5: had ran out to the craft first and had a 195 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,119 Speaker 5: strange reaction and ran straight back home. The sickness altogether 196 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 5: sort of resembled the exposure to mustard gas. So I 197 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 5: thought that was very interesting. This seems to be sort 198 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 5: of the first instances where we have actual craft and 199 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 5: beings stepping foot on our soil. 200 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 4: Absolutely okay, Well, now Bree's gonna sing for us a 201 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: Flatwood Monster song that she wrote, Uh red you want? Okay, Well, 202 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 4: I guess she's not up for that right now. But 203 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 4: when we come back, we're going to take a look 204 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 4: at the Mothman case from nineteen sixty six. You're listening 205 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 4: to Beyond on Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 206 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 4: Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact. 207 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 4: I am Captain Ron. We're talking with producer Bree today 208 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 4: and Brie we're talking about these UFO cases that have 209 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 4: monsters in them, like the Flatwood Monster now let's talk 210 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 4: about this Mothman case from nineteen sixty six. 211 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 5: Interesting enough, this is also in West Virginia, about twenty 212 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 5: five miles away from Flatwoods. To me, that's relatively close. 213 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 5: And ten or so years later, there's a lot of 214 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 5: crossover in this case. I'm sure most people have either 215 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 5: seen the movie or read the book the Mothman Prophecies. 216 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 5: I think that's very common, and that was based off 217 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 5: of a non fictional book of the accounts that happened 218 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 5: around a thirteen month period in Point Pleasant. We have 219 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 5: November fifteenth being the first national publicized case, but there 220 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 5: were many reports before that, starting of the first of 221 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 5: November in nineteen sixty six. One thing that makes this 222 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 5: a hot spot, I believe, was a huge area about 223 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 5: eight thousand acres or so of an old manufacturing plant 224 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 5: that was abandoned right after World War Two, and instead 225 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 5: of giving that land back to the state, instead they 226 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 5: made it a dumping ground for chemicals and other toxic waste. 227 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 5: So this area became very popular and it was known 228 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 5: as the TNT area. Just as early as November first, 229 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 5: we have a National guardsman who reports this figure in 230 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 5: a tree, and then less than two weeks later, we 231 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 5: have about five men that also sees the humanoid figure. 232 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 5: And when I find really interesting and I think this 233 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 5: is going to be a word. We hear a lot 234 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 5: in this episode is gliding. These accounts with either a 235 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 5: being or the craft, they seem to glide almost float. 236 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 5: Kenneth Duncan, who was the main person that came out 237 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 5: about this story, he said, quote, it was gliding through 238 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 5: the trees and in my sight for about a minute, 239 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 5: but it didn't look like any bird. It was a man, 240 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 5: a man with wings. Another very interesting story, more on 241 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 5: the UFO side, is the story of Merl Partridge. You 242 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 5: can listen to this this on audio recording and that 243 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 5: makes it a little bit more real. He's a farm owner. 244 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 5: He said. It was about ten thirty at night and 245 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 5: the TV started winding winding up like it was a 246 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 5: high pitched generator. So imagine just hanging out, you know, 247 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 5: trying to unwind from the day, and you're watching TV 248 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, your TV just makes this 249 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 5: ridiculously loud electrical sound. It was so loud. He describes 250 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 5: the TV as screaming that exact same time. His dog 251 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 5: banned it. Who was on the front porch. He just 252 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 5: starts going crazy. He's barking. The whole situation seems like 253 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 5: it's chaos. In that one minute, he jumps up to 254 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 5: try to turn the TV down from making this ridiculously 255 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 5: loud noise, and before he could even make it to 256 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 5: the TV, it shatters, just glass everywhere, all over the 257 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 5: middle of his floor. So he's freaked out, just immediately 258 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 5: runs out of the house, and at that exact same time, 259 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 5: his dog banned it also books it. He runs down 260 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 5: to the field. There was nothing down in that field 261 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 5: except for a really small pumphouse. So he's calling for 262 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 5: the dog, trying to find the dog, and he said, 263 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 5: when I look down there, all I seen were red 264 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 5: lights going around intermittent. So he's looking down, he's seeing 265 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 5: these strange red lights going around, his dog is barking. 266 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 5: He's calling his dog. He said, the first thing he 267 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 5: thought was that it could have been a helicopter, but 268 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 5: there was zero sound. All he could see were those 269 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 5: red lights going around. He stayed out there for almost 270 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 5: thirty minutes trying to call the dog back, and he wouldn't, 271 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 5: and at that point he just went inside to help 272 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 5: his wife clean up. They went to bed. He didn't 273 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 5: think anything of it. Their dog banned it, never came home, 274 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 5: he was never seen again. I find that pretty sad. 275 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 5: But the similarities with the high pitched sound that we 276 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 5: also hear about in some cases where it's a little 277 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 5: bit more paranormal, there's some type of electrical interference going on, 278 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 5: and I can't even imagine the type of pulse it 279 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 5: would take for your TV screen to shatter, just to 280 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 5: blow out. 281 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: An electrical surge of some kind. 282 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 5: But at the exact same time with the dog barking 283 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 5: and going crazy, you know, he's forever going to remember 284 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 5: that moment, not only because he thinks there was a 285 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 5: strange yo foe that landed and blew out his TV, 286 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 5: but also that the dog went to investigate and never 287 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 5: came back home. So that was the first kind of 288 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 5: instance that we have. And then we have the start 289 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 5: of the major, the major first sighting on November fifteenth, 290 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 5: which so happens to be my birthday. This is a 291 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 5: pretty famous encounter of two couples, Steven Mary Mallett and 292 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 5: Roger and Linda Scarberry. They're out the TNT area. They're 293 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 5: racing their cars, you know, partying around and As they 294 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 5: pass the North power Plant, they notice a man just 295 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 5: standing in the middle of the road, and as they 296 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 5: got closer, they noticed that this man was at least 297 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 5: seven feet tall and his skin was light gray in color. 298 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 5: All of a sudden, these wings come out from behind 299 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 5: his back and the thing starts chasing them. These people 300 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 5: are freaked out. They jump on Route sixties too. They're 301 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 5: headed to the sheriff's office, and as they're driving around, 302 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 5: they look out of their window and notice that this 303 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 5: being is chasing them still, and he stays hovered over 304 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 5: the car the entire time, and they're reaching speeds about 305 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 5: one hundred miles an hour. I think he goes up 306 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 5: to one hundred and five. They take a sharp left 307 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 5: turn and they come across the being again and he's 308 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 5: standing on a billboard. So they're kind of shocked, like, 309 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 5: how is this thing right behind us? We take a 310 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 5: sharp left turn, and all of a sudden he's in 311 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 5: front of us, and he's just standing on top of 312 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 5: the billboard. They didn't notice. 313 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 4: After than they are, and they said they're going one 314 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 4: hundred and. 315 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 5: Five right, so you can only imagine. They said that 316 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 5: they couldn't hear the wings flapping as it was above them, 317 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 5: but they could hear a mouse like squeaking. What is 318 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 5: that sound that they heard at Flatwoods, Yeah, a hissing squeaky. Yeah, 319 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 5: it's very interesting. Oddly enough, the beings stopped chasing them 320 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 5: as soon as they reached the city limits. After reporting 321 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 5: that to the sheriff. This just got insane and from 322 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 5: then on, all of these encounters started happening in Point Pleasant. 323 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 5: It was pretty much like a mass hysteria in the town. 324 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 5: People started, you know, arming up with their firearms you 325 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 5: can imagine, like grab your pitchforks, and there were so 326 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 5: many people out there that they ended up deploying the 327 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 5: National Guard to control crowds of people that were all 328 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 5: headed into this TNT area to try to chase down 329 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 5: this terrorizing creature. And it was reported that at one 330 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 5: time there were literally miles of cars just trying to 331 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 5: get into the TNT area. This was something the town 332 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 5: took very seriously. Though this isn't the first encounter of 333 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 5: a light gray skinned being. There was another woman who 334 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 5: was right outside her sister's house and saw a UFO 335 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 5: appear in the sky and it was heading straight towards 336 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 5: the house. She turns around and sees a being right 337 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 5: in front of her, and she kind of gets choked up, 338 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 5: like she freezes her flight or flight is kicking in 339 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 5: and she falls. She gets only a foot away from 340 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 5: this being. It was also, like I said, light gray 341 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 5: and skin. It was at least seven feet tall. She 342 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 5: gets up, she makes it right before the door slam shut. 343 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 5: The whole family claims that the being was trying to 344 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 5: get into the house, going on the windows, trying to 345 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 5: scrape at the door. This poor lady Marcella, she kind 346 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 5: of goes in an out of consciousness because the whole 347 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 5: thing was quite an ordeal. She claims still to this 348 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 5: day that she knew the being was not from here. 349 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 5: That's all she could feel. What's interesting is Virginia Thomas, 350 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 5: who was Marcella's sister. She was at church that night, 351 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 5: so she missed the instance. She claims to get visions 352 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 5: from time to time, and she did tell reporters before 353 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 5: this that she had a vision that very same day 354 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 5: and told them quote, a creature would appear frighten people 355 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 5: but not harm them. 356 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 4: I think that the mothman also is considered to be 357 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 4: a like a predictor correct like of bad things to come. 358 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 5: That's an interesting note there. 359 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to finish up with 360 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 4: the Mothman and then go into another case from nineteen 361 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 4: sixty six, that's the Grinning Man Ingrid Cold. You're listening 362 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 4: to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast 363 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact 364 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 4: and we're discussing interesting historical UFO cases. But first let's 365 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 4: finish up with the Mothman. Briy. 366 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 5: A lot of instances from here on out always accompanied 367 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 5: by some sort of UFO. People notice the UFO and 368 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 5: the sky and then look down and there's this being 369 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 5: standing in front of them. Some cases, people noticed a 370 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 5: UFO outside of their house and as they looked out 371 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 5: the window, the being's just standing there in the window 372 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 5: or the front lawn. Many people reported being able to 373 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 5: feel something from this creature, that it had a sense 374 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 5: of sorrow and sadness, and they felt that it was 375 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 5: trying to communicate with them. And so all of these 376 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 5: sightings start happening, I mean major UFO sidings. The newspaper 377 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,239 Speaker 5: had to open up a special office just for the 378 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 5: people that were calling in about their UFO sidings. 379 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 4: All of everyone associates Mothman with these UFO sightings, which 380 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 4: is in fact true. 381 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 5: It is very true. I mean the first ones were 382 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 5: just this grayish being, and then from there on it's 383 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 5: always with the UFO, and these sightings kind of continued 384 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 5: flooding in until it seemed to come to a very 385 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 5: sudden stop when the Silver Bridge collapsed about ten days 386 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 5: before Christmas, and forty six people died. Some bodies weren't 387 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 5: even recovered. So that became this sort of idea that 388 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 5: floated around that maybe the Mothman came as a bad 389 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 5: omen or maybe it was trying to warn people. It 390 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 5: was always in the TNT area, so a part of 391 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 5: me was thinking, maybe it was trying to keep people 392 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 5: away from the toxic waste plant. Maybe it was emitting 393 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 5: this sad feeling and trying to communicate to warn them 394 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 5: about what was to come. 395 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 4: Yes, the Mothman. The bridge going down is of course 396 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 4: the famous tie in with Mothman. Also, now I guess 397 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 4: born on the same day that Brie was is the 398 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 4: Mothman day, So that's an interesting coincidence. I don't know. 399 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 4: This next case is a bit less known but interesting nonetheless, 400 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 4: it's called the Grinning Man and it's named Ingrid Cold. 401 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 4: Tell us about this one. 402 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 5: Brie, Indrid Cold is a very interesting encounter. This is 403 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 5: also in West Virginia, and interestingly enough, this happens the 404 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 5: very next day after the first reported mothman case, so 405 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 5: this is the exact same timeframe. There is a man 406 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 5: named Woodrow darren Berger who's driving home. He's on Highway 407 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 5: seventy seven. He knows this is a car coming up 408 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 5: from behind him, and as it gets closer, he realizes 409 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 5: it's not a car. It's a strange object that he 410 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 5: said was traveling at the same speed of his truck. 411 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 5: But it then cut in front of his vehicle, traveling sideways. 412 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 5: This object lands right in front of him. It is 413 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 5: a straight up UFO. It is dark gray in color, 414 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 5: thirty to forty feet long. It's like an oval shape, 415 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 5: but it has a flat bottom. He said it looked 416 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 5: a little bit like a kerosene lamp. This object lowers 417 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 5: to the ground and a hatchl like door opens up, 418 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 5: and this man walks out of the craft. And as 419 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 5: soon as he walks out of the craft, the craft 420 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 5: starts to go back up again. About seventy five feet 421 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 5: in the air, just hovering there. This man is six 422 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 5: feet tall. He looked maybe thirty five to forty years old. 423 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 5: He had slicked back hair, a top hat. He was 424 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 5: in a buttoned up suit that was a shiny navy material. 425 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 5: And he starts talking to Woodrow, but not verbally. He 426 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 5: starts communicating telepathically, and he refers to himself as Indred Cold, 427 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 5: and that he is a seeker. He telepathically tells Woodrow 428 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 5: that he's not there to hurt him, he has no 429 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 5: reason to fear him, and oddly he ends this encounter 430 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 5: telling Woodrow that he will see him again that same 431 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 5: exact day, on November two in Galipos, Ohio. It's right 432 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 5: next to point Pleasant. We have another woman who sees 433 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 5: this bright flash in the sky right above her, and 434 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 5: she describes it as a cylindrical object. It lands in 435 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 5: a parking lot and Indred, the exact same looking man 436 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 5: that was described by Woodrow, walks out of it, but 437 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 5: she doesn't talk to him. She gets a little bit 438 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 5: scared and she books it out as I would as well. Coincidentally, 439 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 5: the exact same day again, so this is the third 440 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 5: sighting on the same day, there were two men who 441 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 5: were driving again on Highway seventy seven. They came across 442 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 5: a man just standing there so without the craft, who 443 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 5: also told him that he was injured cold, and they 444 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 5: said he had a very ominous presence about him. He's 445 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 5: just grinning and his smile is comical smile. It's almost 446 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 5: so large it's inhuman. It looks like the smile is 447 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 5: coming off the side of his face. So I imagine 448 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 5: injured Cold almost looking like the Joker, especially the newer Jokers. 449 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 5: His slip back hair, this very strange face, this overly 450 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 5: just exaggerated smile where it just looks creepy Woodrow. The 451 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 5: first person who encountered the grinning man said he could 452 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 5: speak to him teleopathically after that and he would give 453 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 5: him messages. I do think it's interesting that this injured 454 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 5: Cold was seen by many many people companied with that 455 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 5: strange of a foe, and that this was the exact 456 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 5: same timeframe as the mothman sightings in West Virginia. 457 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 4: It's interesting how a lot of these things seem to 458 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 4: tie in, or they have little tiny elements that are similar. 459 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 4: How could that be, you know, why would the telepathicness 460 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 4: we see it in all these other alien cases. Telepathic 461 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 4: communication is almost universal, I would say, right. 462 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 5: Absolutely definitely. Telepathic communication, gray skin, the gliding all very similar. 463 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 4: Gliding, the way that these things move. These are all 464 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 4: four different cases that we're talking about today, but there's 465 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 4: other cases throughout history that have these similar little sort 466 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 4: of tent poles, Like their local motion is not like 467 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 4: a person walking the telepathic thing. You brought up the 468 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: dog earlier. The dog is in the next case as well, 469 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 4: that there's a dog that gets spooked by this thing 470 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 4: as well. So I find it very interesting how there's 471 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 4: so many similarities across these things, even though describe them 472 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 4: in such different ways. Now, of course, part of this 473 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 4: is from that person's view. Maybe if somebody else saw 474 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 4: this same exact thing, they might describe it differently. 475 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 5: That is a great point. Even though this isn't a movie. 476 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 5: There is a part in the Mofman Prophecies. He's on 477 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 5: the phone with Indrid Cold. Indred Cold is calling him 478 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 5: and he says, what do you look like? And Indred says, 479 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 5: it depends on who's looking. 480 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 4: And that's that's great. 481 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 5: Incredibly, because I think we also come across sightings where 482 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 5: people are seeing something definitely, but they might describe it 483 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 5: a little bit differently. It does remind me something that 484 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 5: the both of us talk about sometime when you know, 485 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 5: the Spanish came and the natives didn't even know what 486 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 5: they were looking at. It's the same thing. You have 487 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 5: no concept of what you're looking at, nor do you 488 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 5: have any context to what it could be, and it 489 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 5: could just be how our brains interpret reference. 490 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 4: So there's two other things going on here. Number one, 491 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 4: it's the verbiage that people use. Two people might have 492 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 4: the identical experience with an identical being, and one would 493 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 4: say it's a spirit, or it's a ghost, or it's 494 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 4: a saint or something religious. Maybe that's their background. Somebody 495 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 4: else might say, if they're more scientific, they might say 496 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 4: it's an alien. They might say it's an escaped you know, 497 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 4: mutation gone wrong from some labs somewhere. Who knows. I mean, 498 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 4: everybody's got their own different take and what they think 499 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 4: it is. But also in that moment, all of these 500 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 4: cases we're discussing today, people are arguably in a state 501 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 4: of panic. I mean, you're coming up on this hill 502 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 4: and this thing moves towards you. You're not thinking clearly, 503 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 4: you're just like, oh my god, the hell is that thing? 504 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 4: You don't really know what you're looking at. Nobody identifies 505 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 4: these things. If it was an owl, they would go, oh, 506 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 4: it looks like an owl, or whatever that case may be. 507 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 4: But these are things that people have never experienced. That's 508 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 4: why they don't even have the words for it. 509 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 5: Imagine a shot of adrenaline spurts across your spine and 510 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 5: you just don't know what to do. You don't know 511 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 5: how to react. That's also why memories, you know, there's 512 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 5: little bits and pieces that are missing there because you're 513 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 5: just kind of in that survival mode. And I think 514 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 5: that's why there's an overwhelming sense of fear. Actually, in 515 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 5: all of these cases, the beings that they came across 516 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 5: were not trying to hurt them. They didn't harm them 517 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 5: at all. It's just the overwhelming sense of fear because 518 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 5: we don't understand what we're seeing that we interpret it 519 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 5: to be a threat. 520 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 4: And you know, I don't know how i'd react to 521 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 4: any of these things. I just hope to God I 522 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 4: never wake up and see some alien looking being at 523 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 4: the end of my bed. I'm afraid of that. Ever, happening. 524 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 5: That's too bad. You should be kind of excited and welcoming. 525 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,959 Speaker 4: Well, people all tell me, yeah, don't you want to 526 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 4: meet this? No. 527 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 5: I there was a mothman sighting of a woman who 528 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 5: kept seeing UFOs outside of her house and she wakes 529 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 5: up them mill of the night and sees this thing, 530 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 5: the mothman, hovering over her. And I'll take a reptilian, 531 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 5: I think over a very tall, gray winged creature. 532 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 4: I don't want to see anything. 533 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 5: Just don't spread the wings. 534 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,719 Speaker 4: Brie. I need to stop you from going on and 535 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 4: on and on and on and on and on and 536 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 4: boring our audience. We need to move on to the 537 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 4: next segment. When we come back, we're going to look 538 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 4: at one more case, the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin Encounter. Love 539 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 4: that name. Can't say it, but I love the name. 540 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 541 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on 542 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. I'm speaking with producer Breed today about some 543 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 4: classic UFO cases. We have one more today called the 544 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 4: Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin Encounter, which is a fascinating and bizarre 545 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 4: event that took place back on August twenty first, nineteen 546 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 4: fifty five, in a rural area right where the town 547 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 4: of Kelly and Hopkinsville, Kentucky are. According to the witnesses, 548 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 4: the encounter began when one member of the Sutton family 549 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 4: went out of the farmhouse and they were outside and 550 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 4: they saw a meteor or bright light go across the 551 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 4: sky that seemed to land in a nearby field. Instead 552 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 4: of crashing down like a meteor wood, it seemed to 553 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 4: sort of land again, kind of like the Flatwood's case. 554 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 4: Some strange noises outside their farmhouse, and so they went 555 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 4: outside to investigate. Walking around, they found these two to 556 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 4: four foot tall what they called at the time goblin 557 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 4: like creatures, again not knowing what to describe these things, 558 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 4: as the creatures were described as having large round heads, 559 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 4: long thin limbs, oversized bug eyes, pointed ears, long arms, 560 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 4: and claw like hands. They seemed silver and moved in 561 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 4: a bizarre floating manner, again the local motion that we 562 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 4: talked about, and also they emitted another strange, high pitched 563 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 4: hissing sound like we've heard in at least two of 564 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 4: the other cases today. As the creatures approached the farmhouse, 565 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 4: the Suttons in Their friends armed themselves with firearms, believing 566 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 4: that their lives were in danger, so in this case, 567 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 4: they did feel like these creatures were coming at them. 568 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 4: They reported that the creatures attempted to enter the house 569 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 4: through the windows, and that they would peer in and 570 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 4: then disappear when they approached them. A series of frantic 571 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 4: moments unfolded, and the group fired shots at the beings, 572 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 4: claiming that the bullets seemed to have no effect. They 573 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 4: described the creatures as appearing to be impervious to their gunfire, 574 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 4: as they would simply roll away from it. They did 575 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 4: a somersault move and went away from the bullets, which 576 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 4: only seemed to make the people more scared. Later that night, 577 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 4: five adults and seven children went to the Hopkinsville police 578 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 4: station claiming that small possible alien creatures from spaceship were 579 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 4: attacking them at their farmhouse and that they'd been holding 580 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 4: them off with gunfire for three to four hours. Concerned 581 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 4: about the gunfire, four different police officials, five state troopers, 582 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 4: three deputy sheriffs, and even four military police officers all 583 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 4: came down to the Sutton farmhouse. Their search yielded nothing 584 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 4: other than the evidence of gunfire and holes in the 585 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 4: window and the door, and the screens made from their gunfire. 586 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 4: This was a Christian household, and there was no alcohol 587 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 4: consumed by any of the witnesses. The family story received 588 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 4: widespread coverage in local and then national press. Early articles 589 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 4: didn't refer to them as little green men, but later 590 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 4: newspapers started calling them little green men as per usual. 591 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 4: Uphologists regarded as one of the most significant and well 592 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 4: documented cases in history. Skeptics maintained that there was no 593 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 4: real physical evidence for the encounter, and that the reports 594 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 4: were due to the effects of them being over excited 595 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 4: and misidentifying. Great horned owls, which are also nocturnal, fly 596 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 4: silently yellow eyes, and they aggressively defend their nests. And 597 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 4: they also say that the meteor sightings occurred on that 598 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 4: same night, so that would have been the light in 599 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 4: the sky that he saw. Project Bluebook also quote unquote 600 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 4: in investigated this case, calling it simply a hoax. I 601 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 4: find this a very interesting case as well. I like 602 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 4: that they called them goblins. It's nineteen fifty five. They 603 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 4: really have no idea what they're dealing with. I still 604 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 4: have no idea what they were dealing with. What could 605 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 4: possibly have happened to these people. I have no idea. 606 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 4: I do find it interesting to hear elements again in 607 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 4: their story that we hear time and time again in 608 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 4: stories of the Grays again, the long, spiny arms, the 609 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 4: big glowing eyes, the silver suit. The same themes are 610 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 4: heard over and over. I find it very difficult to 611 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 4: believe that this was a hoax. There are a lot 612 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 4: of witnesses here who all seem to have stuck to 613 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 4: their same story. The fact that there were seven children there, 614 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 4: some of them were very small. This was a family 615 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 4: in the early fifties. I can't even imagine they would 616 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 4: fire guns inside their house and drive their kids to 617 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 4: the station at midnight for a joke. It seems unlikely 618 00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 4: to me. If it was a hoax, it would have 619 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 4: been a couple of the guys outside or something. But 620 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 4: there's gunfire throughout their home inside, and in this case, 621 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 4: I find it very unlikely that the family misidentified horned owls. 622 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 4: They live in the middle of nowhere. Surely they would 623 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 4: have seen owls before, and the gunfire, I would think, 624 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 4: would scare off anything like an owl. They wouldn't keep 625 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 4: coming back for three or four hours NonStop. I have 626 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 4: no idea what scared these poor people, but I do 627 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 4: not like the canned explanation that it was a meteor 628 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 4: and then they saw owls. That seems even harder to believe. 629 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 4: What do you think, Brie? 630 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 5: I had this funny vision in my head of a 631 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 5: stitch looking you know from Lailo and Stitch looking being 632 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 5: just going around doing somersaults. Can't help but kind of 633 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 5: laugh at that. I think it is ridiculous that they 634 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 5: said it could have been an owl. That is the 635 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 5: go to excuse, along with swamp gas and you know 636 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 5: venus it's an owl. Yet a great point that if 637 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 5: they're shooting rounds, which I think they went through like 638 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 5: a hundred rounds of gunfire, ye, there's no way that 639 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 5: an owl is going to stick around for that. There's 640 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 5: just no way in hell. And these are countryfolk. They 641 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 5: know what an owl looks like, they know their surroundings, 642 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 5: they know, you know, the animals and the birds in 643 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 5: that area. There's no way all of a sudden they 644 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 5: would be freaked out by a bunch of owls. I 645 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 5: also thought it's pretty interesting that one of them said 646 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 5: that when he shot at one of these beings, it 647 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 5: didn't fall like you would assume, it floated down, almost 648 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 5: like it was gliding. So again we have that strange 649 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 5: movement between these creatures. 650 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 4: I think. I think it's very interesting how there's so 651 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 4: many ties to all four of these cases, which are 652 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 4: very unique cases, yet there's underlying elements of each of 653 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 4: the four that tie in together that keep repeating themselves. 654 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 5: These beings in Hopkinsville had long gray arms just like flatwoods, 655 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 5: and that they had quaal like talents on their hands. 656 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 5: That's exactly like flatwoods. I think it's funny that you 657 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 5: mentioned that there were green because the original one they 658 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 5: were almost silver in color. They look like they're wearing 659 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 5: these little silver suits that to me is more like 660 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 5: these grays or even the android version of grays. Mofman 661 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 5: and in Kentucky Hopkinsville, they both have their own festivals 662 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 5: for these sightings. 663 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 4: And we've heard each of those things in other cases 664 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 4: previous and recently. Of course. The other thing I found 665 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 4: interesting is, of course I did a lot of research 666 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 4: on all of these cases and did a deep dive, 667 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 4: and you see as these stories evolve over the year, 668 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 4: new things get added to the story. A newspaper personal 669 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 4: ad that there were green a newspaper personal ad. So 670 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 4: like these little elements, I of course always always always 671 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 4: like to go back to the original report. There are 672 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 4: cases that years later they called it a UFO, that 673 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 4: he said he saw ufo outside, But when you go 674 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 4: back you read his statement he said he saw a 675 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,919 Speaker 4: meteor or a shooting star. He never said UFO or spacecraft. 676 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 4: So these things get added. So I don't like how 677 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 4: these stories all get colored over the years as they 678 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 4: get more famous and get more written about, because everyone 679 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 4: else has to add their own thing. But that's what 680 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 4: happens in this community. We're going to have to stop 681 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 4: there for the debris. Thank you for coming on, thank 682 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 4: you for joining me, and good luck editing this piece. 683 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 5: Thank you for having me on. It is very interesting 684 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 5: to be on the microphone and. 685 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 4: So don't worry about it. This will be okay, just. 686 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 5: One and done. That's all I got my five minutes. 687 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 4: Thanks everyone for listening to Beyond Contact. We'll be back 688 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 4: next week with an all new episode and hopefully a 689 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 4: song performed by Briet. You can follow me Captain Ron 690 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 4: on Twitter and Instagram at CD underscore Captain Ron, Stay 691 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 4: connected to me and Bree by checking out Contact in 692 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 4: the Desert. 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