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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Beck now live in Ohio on eight

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do it live on a reaction Monday

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Speaker 2: edition of the program. Merely bow the great z I

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Speaker 2: add them all right, all right, twenty.

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Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, ahead, go ahead. I came home last night.

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Speaker 3: Let's go too. Smells of pure joy wafting through the air.

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Speaker 2: I saw the ultimate documentarian. What was she up to?

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Speaker 4: I mean, she made a pasta fagle that would just

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Speaker 4: blow your brains out.

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Speaker 2: I saw, I saw a Dutch oven.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you sure did.

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Speaker 2: I saw some simmering.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, did you how about it?

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Speaker 4: Even had she timed it to the line from that

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Speaker 4: samore like a pastuffage.

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Speaker 3: That's Samoa.

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Speaker 4: So I had that going for me. Once I returned home,

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Speaker 4: which was very nice. That was a Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Boots and I were at Costco. I didn't make a

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Speaker 2: Costco run with me and Uh. At Costco this time

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Speaker 2: of year, they have a whole crate that's full of

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Speaker 2: replica cars. And through the years, I've gotten the boy.

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Speaker 4: We got to this quickly before I was just going

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Speaker 4: to steal it. I was so stealing the story. But yes,

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Speaker 4: go ahead, So oh my god. I well, we're just

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Speaker 4: trying to avoid things.

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Speaker 3: So, uh, how my kids greeted me.

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Speaker 2: There's a there's a crate, and it's got all of

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Speaker 2: these cars. It's got Ferrari's, Bugatti's, all this, and I

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Speaker 2: usually get one for each of them for Christmas, and

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Speaker 2: I try to match them to their personalities. So Boots,

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Speaker 2: he was all excited, and they don't get stuff this

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Speaker 2: time of year up until Christmas. They are shut down

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Speaker 2: Christmas gifts. So he's going through and he goes he's

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Speaker 2: in the cart and he goes, Dad, it's the Bandit car.

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Speaker 2: So first of all, I just wanted to hug him,

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Speaker 2: because anybody who listens regularly knows what smoking the Bandit

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Speaker 2: needs to me. So I'm thrilled. I hug him, and

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Speaker 2: I said, Buddy, I think we got to get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we got to get it, like there was only one,

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Speaker 2: Like we've got to get the Bandit car. Like, let's

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 2: Ponti trans a, I'm sold, let's do it. So the

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Speaker 2: Buckeye game didn't go well on Saturday, and then obviously

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Speaker 2: I want you to have the bandit car it's been

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Speaker 2: a bad couple of days. And I said, well, I.

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Speaker 3: Said, thanks, buddy, put it right on the credenza there.

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Speaker 2: He goes, I think I got the perfect place for it.

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Speaker 2: And he goes, come here, I'll show you. And so

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Speaker 2: Halloween decor and whatever and if you don't follow on

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Speaker 3: God bless you, Boots. My boy's animal. It's beautiful, beautiful,

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Speaker 3: it's beautiful. The energy what you need?

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Speaker 4: I had to it's it's this is depressing, folks, I mean,

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Speaker 4: bottom line, this is depressing.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: We will hear from Kevin Stefanski. I'm guessing live on

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Speaker 4: this program.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's going to approach the podium at something.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping for a change. I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't at this point really even care what it is.

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Speaker 4: There are certain things obviously I would be more comfortable

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Speaker 4: what we are doing on offense full stop. It's his

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Speaker 4: historically bad. No, no, no, historic. That's not hyperbole. Yeah

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Speaker 4: I didn't you said it or fact.

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Speaker 3: But most times when you hear things, oh, it's historically bad, it's.

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Speaker 2: Like, so basically, you want me to marinate unhistoric. Watch

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Speaker 2: let's let's let historic marinate. Yes, it's several decades, I

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Speaker 2: mean bad. You know what's in? What's weird? Honestly, like

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Speaker 2: I thought it would be a game that potentially you

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Speaker 2: But they're coming off a buy, their receivers are healthy.

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Speaker 2: This is a very tough matchup. The reason that this

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Speaker 2: it was Philly coming off of bye. They're a good team.

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Speaker 2: Let's get it back together. But because you have eliminated

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Speaker 2: Philly and the must win. It's a must win. And

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Speaker 2: because of the way we're playing, our roadmaps to victory

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Speaker 2: a defensive score, which we got. You've gotten it two

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Speaker 2: And so this was a really brutal I had a

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Speaker 2: brutal outlook for this one from Jump Street. I had

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Speaker 2: If you're sitting here at one in five are Raiders.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense to me. I know they've never lost

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Speaker 4: But again, there are three games here that if you

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Speaker 4: not saying that. You are what you are and you

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Speaker 4: have earned being one in five. By This is a

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Speaker 4: bad football team. And why do I say that. It's

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Speaker 4: not just the record, it's the manner in which you're losing.

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Speaker 4: Is the way the bad football teams lose back to

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Speaker 4: high leverage situations. In both of those games, obviously in

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Speaker 3: But this team, it's bad when.

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Speaker 4: You say historic out of seven hundred and ninety eight

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Speaker 4: teams through six games, this curtsey of Bill Barnwell red

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Speaker 4: zone trips, they're seven hundred and eighty fourth out of

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Speaker 4: fifth out of seven ninety eight. Yesterday, you have seven

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Speaker 4: offensive penalties through six games than all but three teams

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Speaker 4: since the year two thousand. Yards to go on third down.

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Speaker 4: Your thirds are third and longest. They are the fourth

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Speaker 4: longest out of seven hundred ninety eight teams since the

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Speaker 4: year two thousand. Your third down conversion rate is even worse.

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Speaker 4: It is the second worst since the year two thousand.

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Speaker 4: I mean we went it was into the second half

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Speaker 4: through the second half. I believe it was the third

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Speaker 4: are saying, well, they did convert one, but it was

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Speaker 3: It doesn't show up in the stats as a conversion it.

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Speaker 4: Something has got to change on offense, and again, what

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Speaker 4: could that be Who's starting where? Obviously a lot of

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Speaker 4: it is that we're doing is not working.

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Speaker 3: The something I mean, it's.

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Speaker 2: Up clearly, it's I mean clearly, this is a home

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Speaker 2: game against the Bengals for God's sakes, Like, come on,

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Speaker 2: something has to change. And the the thing that is

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Speaker 2: but the thing that jumps out to me at the penalties,

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Speaker 2: and you're, I mean, this is was it was it

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Speaker 2: the Raiders game or was it the guard the Commander's game.

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Speaker 2: We had all three things happening, had the penalty that

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Speaker 2: with the two penalties. If you think of what this

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Speaker 2: And that was with Nick Chubb, and that was last

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Speaker 2: it was something that kept defenses off balance. It was

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Speaker 2: also an operation that was incredibly disciplined. How many times

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Speaker 2: in Kevin's first few years here do we get teams

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Speaker 2: to jump on third and one, fourth and one? I

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Speaker 2: mean would do that all the time. We'd race to

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Speaker 2: That takes discipline to be able to do those things,

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Speaker 2: and so we had that discipline. Folks go back to

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Speaker 2: even the Jarvis Baker Odell two year run. How many

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Speaker 2: trick plays did we have? All sorts of them? How

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Speaker 2: can you do that? Well, you have to say, but

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Speaker 2: you also cannot do that unless you're disciplined. To run

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Speaker 2: those type of plays. You have to have the discipline

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Speaker 2: misleading either your route or your handoff or your keep

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Speaker 2: all of that. We are not disciplined at all. Now,

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Speaker 2: you mentioned the third downs, you mentioned the penalties, we're

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Speaker 2: worse in the league and all this stuff. Yes, this

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Speaker 2: is not what.

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Speaker 3: Kevin's teams have been historically. It's the opposite.

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Speaker 2: Quite honestly, it.

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Speaker 3: Is the opposite.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it is very, very, very bad, because I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's the only way to possibly say it is it's terrible.

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Speaker 4: What the Cleveland Browns are doing right now is terrible

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Speaker 4: on offense. And the thing that I think is so

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Speaker 4: maddening for everybody is that it's in many ways it's

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Speaker 4: the same. We've seen the movie. We've seen this movie,

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Speaker 4: We've seen how this movie plays out, and it's just

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Speaker 4: not winning football, period. It just is not winning football.

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Speaker 4: And that's why for the Cleveland Browns. You're a team.

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Speaker 4: Last year in two thousand and twenty three, your penalty

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Speaker 4: Sorry, you're at nine percent this year, number one in

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Speaker 3: That's impossible. Stop it, stop it. That is an impossible thing.

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Speaker 2: Why kids aren't doing that. They're not.

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Speaker 2: He looks fantastic. Everybody in this building cannot wait for

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Speaker 3: He's not a panacea. Brother, are a, No, he's not.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Pierce wrong ran the ball very well yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing that was this is kind of where

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Speaker 3: Too many sacks too.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course all of those things drop. But

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Speaker 3: The bar is so low. Right touch offense, we have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a minute.

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Speaker 4: We've had two games where we didn't score twenty points

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Speaker 2: It's just the most frustrating, Yes, you and I have

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Speaker 2: this has been a largely winning operation since eighteen, more

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Speaker 3: The twenty twenty. For twenty, it's definitely a win, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So winning operation since twenty. So that's why this is

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Speaker 4: Well that's why that part of me was saying that

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Speaker 3: You got to shake something up, You got to shake

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Speaker 4: So eighteen we were seven, eight and one, nineteen six

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Speaker 2: Yeah, since it's pretty it's pretty close, right at it?

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Speaker 2: Right at you're over five hundred since eighteen, definitely since

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Speaker 2: You're still a game over there if you go to eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That's my point is, at some point there needs to

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Speaker 4: Now you're going to start and you're down to your

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Speaker 4: Only Joel Betonio has started every game on your offensive

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Speaker 3: No, it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I mean we still again, we still are the only

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Speaker 4: in a game? Are low fathomable. Rodney McLeod, God bless him.

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Speaker 4: Rodney McLeod's two touchdowns are tied for the team lead.

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Speaker 3: Last week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with all the injuries, it became a point where

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Speaker 3: You go back to week.

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Speaker 2: So we lose the Let me see, trying to remember

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Speaker 3: Lose, Dallas beat the Jags and.

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Speaker 6: Do we?

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Speaker 3: What can we do well offensively?

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Speaker 2: What's the one thing? Is there anything we can hold

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Speaker 3: And folks, you're gonna go historically bad.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna Bengals Ravens who are damn buzzsaw right now,

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Speaker 3: Them in the mouth. They're playing phenomenal defense.

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Speaker 2: They are playing phenomenal defense. So that's your next three.

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Speaker 3: It's brutal, man, it is.

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Speaker 2: It's really tough.

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Speaker 4: And honestly, what you're looking for when Kevin Sepanci comes

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Speaker 3: That's that's really it. Whatever that looks like.

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Speaker 4: I don't care some acknowledgment that the current way is

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Speaker 4: But at least there has got to be something in

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Speaker 2: It's I think it's disingenuous for us to even talk

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Speaker 3: I mean, right now we're.

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Speaker 2: We're it's you got to you got to earn that right,

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Speaker 2: to pay it play better. That that does that ain't it?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: And he can say that publicly. That's fine. He can

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Speaker 4: To identify what you believe to be the biggest lever

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Speaker 4: And at this point I think there is enough data

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Speaker 4: You're six games in and then you've got to make

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, whatever that lever is, whatever you've identified. I mean,

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Speaker 4: This was the easiest portion of the schedule through six games,

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Speaker 3: In the NFL.

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Speaker 4: They will now turn around the rest of the way

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Speaker 4: The Browns played the easiest schedule to navigate for an

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Speaker 3: In the NFL number one.

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Speaker 4: And we give you some of those stats earlier that

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Speaker 2: Next six Cincinnati, Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Broncos. I think

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Speaker 2: hope for the best on that side of things, but

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Speaker 2: there are so many things that have to be addressed

440
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Speaker 2: and fixed, and the season is slipping away. Man, it

441
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Speaker 2: is slipping, and quite honestly, maybe already has. I mean

442
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Speaker 2: that's six games of six games. It's a lot to

443
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Speaker 2: dig out of. You know, I remember you and I saying,

444
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Speaker 2: you know, you can't go one and four, one and four,

445
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 2: one and five has now happened and you're sitting here

446
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Speaker 2: treading water. Got some injuries as well, Nick Harris with

447
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Speaker 2: the Nick Harris with a fractured fibula. He's gonna have surgery.

448
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Speaker 2: He is out for the year. On a personal note

449
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Speaker 2: that breaks my heart.

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Speaker 4: Every time people I don't know how many people remember,

451
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Speaker 4: but in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty two, Nick Harris

452
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Speaker 4: will beat out Ethan Posk to be the Snow center

453
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Speaker 4: and on the first series of the first preseason game

454
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Speaker 4: down in Jacksonville tears his leg and is out for

455
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Speaker 4: the year. Every time he's gotten now, he was in

456
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Speaker 4: a position to be the starter here for I think

457
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Speaker 4: a little bit of a while. Perhaps out for the

458
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Speaker 4: year again. I mean, poor kid, has Snake been He's

459
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Speaker 4: worked so hard and at some point, you know, you

460
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Speaker 4: just wonder from him, like when is enough enough? But

461
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Speaker 4: I was very bummed out for him. You knew it

462
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Speaker 4: right away it was bad. I mean, there was some

463
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Speaker 4: that injury and then obviously Aiden Hutchinson's yesterday was just insane,

464
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Speaker 4: like a UFC injury that was nuts, tough, tough to.

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Speaker 2: Watch, very very difficult to watch. And you're seeing guys.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've had so many injuries weave, my god,

467
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Speaker 2: just so many injuries of other teams. I can't even years.

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Speaker 4: This is the week the first time I can't even

469
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Speaker 4: make my boards on a weekend week out base without

470
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Speaker 4: having to leave blank spots because so much happens to

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Speaker 4: this roster between Wednesday and Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's never been like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do think big picture NFL teams, their coaches,

474
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Speaker 2: their operations need to take a look at what happens

475
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Speaker 2: in the preseason. It's approached because I think, I mean,

476
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Speaker 2: this it's all circumstantial. But I'd be very curious to

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Speaker 2: know if the approach to the preseason being as passive

478
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Speaker 2: it is for everybody is contributing to what has been

479
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Speaker 2: an injury epidemic.

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Speaker 3: Around the league.

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to do two things, one which is

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Speaker 4: football related, one which is not, but a parallel.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: Look at some of the teams that have been more

485
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Speaker 4: physical in the preseason and in their camps that they

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Speaker 4: seem to be handling.

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Speaker 3: The physicality of the season well.

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Speaker 4: Now, the Steelers certainly have had injuries high Smith Herbig,

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Speaker 4: They've had injuries, but it feels like they've handled the

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Speaker 4: physicality and the change to the regular season better than

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Speaker 4: some about the Lions would be a good example of

492
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Speaker 4: this as well. Now, again, a guy like Frank Ragnow's

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Speaker 4: got they people get hurt. That is the NFL, A

494
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Speaker 4: nutchin is gonna get it in a completely freak accent.

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Speaker 4: But they've seem to be better prepared to handle some

496
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Speaker 4: of those things than some of the other teams, and

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Speaker 4: certainly for us, you know, it has not felt that way.

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Speaker 4: And I think part of it is you have to

499
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Speaker 4: callous your body. You have got to build up that

500
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Speaker 4: tolerance to what you're doing, and all the one that's

501
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Speaker 4: not straight football. But all my buddies who are wrestlers,

502
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Speaker 4: they were laughing when like you know, obviously for me,

503
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Speaker 4: taking bumps killed sure, and they're like, your body has

504
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Speaker 4: to build up the tolerance and the calluses of course

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Speaker 4: to the bumps for them to start feeling a little

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Speaker 4: bit better, you know. And I just think that there's

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Speaker 4: some of that we don't have it. And the other

508
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Speaker 4: thing is, you know, we're seeing a combination of significant

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Speaker 4: injuries of just you know, people getting beaten up, and

510
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Speaker 4: then also soft tissue because you're monitoring and monitoring and

511
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Speaker 4: monitoring in the preseason and saying, no, we got to

512
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Speaker 4: make sure we keep these guys healthy. But then all

513
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Speaker 4: of a sudden we get into the season. Now you're

514
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Speaker 4: opening it up every play and these are finely tuned

515
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Speaker 4: athletes now to the point where they're pushing the limits

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Speaker 4: of their physical beings.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think it's working. I do.

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Speaker 4: It's wild that when guys had two a day's in

519
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Speaker 4: pads and they would be like ripping heaters and swillen

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Speaker 4: beer at halftime and they weren't getting hurt. Like no,

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Speaker 4: people who are their whole function is to be as

522
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Speaker 4: perfectly tuned an athlete as they can be.

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Speaker 2: It's it's one hundred percent accurate, it is. It doesn't But.

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Speaker 4: Why could pitch I also think that they throw three

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty innings, no problem.

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Speaker 2: I think the other part of electa we should ask

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Speaker 2: I think tomorrow where at uh, well, ask doctor VUSI

528
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Speaker 2: always joins us, ask him about that. Because these guys,

529
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Speaker 2: whether it's these guys baseball players, whatever, like, they don't

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Speaker 2: truly ever let their bodies rest.

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Speaker 3: That contributes to it as well. I think work year round.

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Speaker 3: One of the reasons he's yeah, that he's.

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Speaker 2: Having all this stuff because they don't ever let their

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Speaker 2: body just chill out for a minute. Maybe so coaches

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Speaker 2: approaching the podium and so the.

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Speaker 4: Reason some of those beaters run for five hundred thousand

537
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Speaker 4: miles and if you get one hundred thousand out of Ferrari,

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Speaker 4: it would be a miracle.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Those are hot topics today, presented

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Speaker 2: by University Hospitals, official health care partner of your Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, the Browns going to start preparing for Cincinnata.

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Speaker 2: That will start there obviously in the building today. Obviously

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Speaker 2: you know victory Monday, So in the building today and

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Speaker 2: then off tomorrow, and then practice will begin on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Towards that end.

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati is coming off of a very ugly win, but

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Speaker 2: I thought an important win from their perspective, and that

548
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Speaker 2: they won it without Burrow throwing for three hundred. They

549
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Speaker 2: won without Chase being great. They won it with their

550
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Speaker 2: defense primarily making stops late in the game to win

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Speaker 2: seventeen to seven. Sort of, go Cincinnati, Baltimore, Los Angeles Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Your next three games, all of them are at home,

553
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Speaker 2: but between then and now much will have to change

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Speaker 2: offensively with the operation. And it's just been a mess.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows that it's been a mess. Coach Tafanski knows

556
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Speaker 2: it well. He made his bones. He got this job

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Speaker 2: as an offensive guy. This offense has always been one

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Speaker 2: that's kept defenses on its heels. It has always been

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Speaker 2: one that's been incredibly disciplined. It has been neither of

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Speaker 2: those things to start this season. And that's what's troubling

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Speaker 2: for everybody in the building.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and like.

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Speaker 2: I al right, here's coach. Defans get the podium, All right, everyone.

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Speaker 7: We have coach here, coach will you get started.

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Speaker 8: Okay, obviously watching the tape from yesterday, Look, we talked

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Speaker 8: about frustrating h got to close out football games, and uh,

567
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Speaker 8: you know a ton of things that we can do

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Speaker 8: better that I can do better, but we know where

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Speaker 8: we are, We understand that, can't hide from that. But

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Speaker 8: not going to look in that rear view. Marriages, focused

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Speaker 8: on moving forward, focused on a big one at home

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Speaker 8: this week, and with that, I'll take any questions, all.

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Speaker 7: Right, first question, but to Scott.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Kevin, I want to do some injuries. First, you

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Speaker 9: got any updates on the guysh from yesterday?

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Speaker 6: I really don't.

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Speaker 8: Scott's room forward I think will be week to week.

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Speaker 8: We talked about Nick Harris. No update really on the

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Speaker 8: other guys.

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Speaker 9: Okay, Is Grant still in the protocol?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 10: Okay?

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Speaker 9: With the offensive strugg those you guys have been having

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Speaker 9: in you know, the playoff hopes kind of shrinking, just

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Speaker 9: why not try Jamis as a potential spark that you're

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Speaker 9: looking for.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's just important that we continue to

588
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Speaker 8: do everything we can to play good sound football. I

589
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Speaker 8: think there were moments of that obviously yesterday on gives

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Speaker 8: us the best chance to win, continues to give us

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Speaker 8: the best chance to win, and we need to play

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Speaker 8: really good offensive football at his position and really at every.

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Speaker 6: Position to be to be successful on Sunday.

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Speaker 7: Thanks, all right, go to Mary Kay.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Kevin, just wondering, I don't know in some ways,

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Speaker 11: did you guys go back to some basics in the

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Speaker 11: second half. I mean, Deshaun went eleven for twelve. It

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Speaker 11: seemed like he got into a little bit of a rhythm.

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Speaker 11: And what I'm kind of trying to get at here is,

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Speaker 11: are you guys trying to maybe straddle to worlds in

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Speaker 11: terms of what people call like your offense and Ken's offense,

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Speaker 11: and what can you do if that's the case, to

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Speaker 11: sort of streamline that and fix it so everybody can

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Speaker 11: get on the same page with everything.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, as you know, Mary Kay, I think really big

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Speaker 8: thing for us is just running our offense at a

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Speaker 8: high efficiency, whether it's regardless of personnel, regardless really of

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Speaker 8: play type, run pass, and I think there's again there's

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Speaker 8: moments of that. We really hurt ourselves in some critical

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Speaker 8: third downs yesterday and that causes you to settle for

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Speaker 8: field goals or causes you to have to punt those

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Speaker 8: type of things. So focus for us will be to

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Speaker 8: get better and certainly always try and look at things

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Speaker 8: that that we can do better.

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Speaker 11: Quick follow up, Kevin, if you don't mind, and that

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Speaker 11: is what do you see on some of those early

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Speaker 11: deep misses from Deshaun. He was trying to explain it

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Speaker 11: a little bit yesterday just in terms of press coverage

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Speaker 11: versus soft coverage. But what are you seeing on what

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Speaker 11: looks like some just miscommunications between him and the receiver.

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Speaker 6: Is there a play in particular.

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Speaker 11: Like the Amari one down the left sideline? I mean

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Speaker 11: that's when that comes to mind.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously a miscommunication between those guys. It was a

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Speaker 8: little bit different technique, but that will happen every once

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Speaker 8: in a while.

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Speaker 7: Okay, thank you, all right, Next I got to Tom.

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Speaker 12: Thanks Jordan. Hey, Kevin, you still believe obviously in Deshaun.

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Speaker 12: He gives you the best chance to win. Do you

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Speaker 12: feel like there's any eroding confidence within the team behind Deshaun?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I think we need to play better on offense. Tom.

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Speaker 6: I really think this is a a when.

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Speaker 8: You're playing good on any side of the ball, it

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Speaker 8: really is about eleven guys doing their job and coaches

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Speaker 8: doing our job putting those eleven guys in position. So

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Speaker 8: that's really where our focus is. That's really where our

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Speaker 8: teams focuses.

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Speaker 12: And piggybacking off Mary Kay, did anything change in terms

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Speaker 12: of the passing game. In the second half, it seemed

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Speaker 12: like Deshaun did a better job of you know, setting

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Speaker 12: his feet, taking that first read and hit hitting it

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Speaker 12: if it was there.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't say anything definitively changed, of course, maybe specifically changed.

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Speaker 8: I thought protection was held up for a buy and

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Speaker 8: large gave us time to find the guys down the field.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 13: Next about to Darryl, Yeah, Kevin, I understand the hardest

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Speaker 13: thing when times are tough is to stay the course.

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Speaker 13: But considering the volume of the issues on offense and

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Speaker 13: the length of the issues on offense right now, just

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Speaker 13: could you just maybe expand a little bit of why

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Speaker 13: you feel right now staying the course when so much

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Speaker 13: is not going right is the actual best course of action.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think it's just my job, Darryl, to always find

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Speaker 8: ways to successful as a team, obviously offense, defensive, special teams,

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Speaker 8: and we'll just focus on getting better. I really think

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Speaker 8: this is something where if we keep the focus on

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Speaker 8: our entire offense on getting better at every position, I

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Speaker 8: think that's when you start having offensive success, which is

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Speaker 8: sustaining drives and obviously scoring points.

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Speaker 13: And then just within the lockerroom, I know you're asked

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Speaker 13: about the team eroding confidence or whatever, but just how

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Speaker 13: hard is it to keep player frustrations in check and

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Speaker 13: avoid any type of finger pointing and things like that

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Speaker 13: when you're going through a stretch like this.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we're going through it. That's you can't hide from that.

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Speaker 8: You don't you don't love that feeling. But all we

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Speaker 8: can do is get one this week. It's all we

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Speaker 8: can do.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 14: Next to Chris, Thank Kevin. You talk about everybody looking

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Speaker 14: inward and looking at themselves. For you, what have you you,

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Speaker 14: as you kind of guys have gone through this, what

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Speaker 14: have you looked at word and said I need to

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Speaker 14: specifically these are areas that I need to to specifically

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Speaker 14: improve on or maybe you know, alter or something like that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's important that we do that as coaches,

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Speaker 8: Chris uh. And that's conversations we have this morning, things

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Speaker 8: that you know, we got to put our guys in

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Speaker 8: position to succeed any which way we can. Obviously, every

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Speaker 8: player has strengths and we need to work to those strengths.

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Speaker 14: The second thing, kind of going back to you know

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Speaker 14: the question about second half yesterday, just how much you

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Speaker 14: know a lot of a couple of guys talked about

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Speaker 14: the running game and it's what it did to help

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Speaker 14: open up.

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Speaker 6: Some things in the passing game. De Sean mentioned the

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Speaker 6: play action.

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Speaker 14: How much, I mean, how beneficial can you be kind

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Speaker 14: of build off of that going into Cincinnati.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Like I said, you know, we had some good moments.

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Speaker 8: Obviously not enough, didn't score enough points, but there are

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Speaker 8: some things that I feel like the guys took from

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Speaker 8: the practice field to the game field, and they're constantly

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Speaker 8: trying to build off of those type of things as

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Speaker 8: you move forward.

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Speaker 7: Thanks, all right, Next to chat.

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Speaker 15: Hey, Kevin, you know we always ask you about the

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Speaker 15: quarterbacks and play calling on all that, but you've never

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Speaker 15: been one in five here, So how do you as

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Speaker 15: a head coach keep them around? The guys up there?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of like we talked a little about earlier, Jeff.

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Speaker 8: It's you own your record, you can't hide from it,

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Speaker 8: and doesn't mean we like it, but we also understand

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Speaker 8: there are things that you can control and things that

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Speaker 8: you can't control. So we'll focus on the things that

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Speaker 8: we can control. That's how we prepare, how we practice,

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Speaker 8: and then ultimately trying to get one.

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Speaker 6: This week.

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Speaker 7: All right, next, I gotta can.

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Speaker 16: And then I don't want to, you know, give away

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Speaker 16: a game plan or anything like that. But when you

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Speaker 16: are trying to clean things up, you guys are trying

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Speaker 16: to be better. What are some of the tangible things

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Speaker 16: that you guys are focusing on. Deontay Foreman mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 16: some some more physicality in the padded practice in terms

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Speaker 16: of past protection. So when you are working to clean

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Speaker 16: these things up offensively, what are those tangible things that

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Speaker 16: you maybe can focus on.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think it's it's really it always comes back

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Speaker 8: to the when when you're thinking tangibly, at least for

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Speaker 8: me to technique, uh And it's it's footwork, it's hand placement,

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Speaker 8: all those things. And obviously, like Deontay said it, with

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Speaker 8: past protection with pads on, it's it's a physicality.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 8: So for us, our ability to get better with our

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Speaker 8: technique as the season goes on is really really important.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, all right, Thanks for Daniel.

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Speaker 6: Hikevin.

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Speaker 17: I always probably might sound a costume at a time,

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Speaker 17: but obviously you have captains on the team, you have

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Speaker 17: other leaders on the team throughout this start. Have you

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Speaker 17: consulted with them about the decision to stick with the

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Speaker 17: Shaw and this starting quarterback, and do you get the

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Speaker 17: sense that you know they will also believe that he

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Speaker 17: gives you the best chance to win.

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I mean I consult with our players weekly,

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Speaker 8: talk to our guys daily. I also make decisions that

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Speaker 8: I feel our best for the football team. So it's

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Speaker 8: not there's some decisions, of course that you bring to

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Speaker 8: the team and that you talk through, but when it

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Speaker 8: comes to depth charts, starting lineups, that's not something that

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Speaker 8: ultimately the players get a lot of inputs in. Having

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Speaker 8: said that, we have very very good leadership on this

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Speaker 8: football team. We have guys that care, we have guys

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Speaker 8: that push each other. We're gonna lean on those guys.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, all right? To go back to Mary Kay.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Kevin, I know that we ask do this last week,

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Speaker 11: but it seems to be that the prevailing narrative still

751
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Speaker 11: seems to be that everyone thinks that Jimmy haslom is

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Speaker 11: forcing you to play Deshaun Watson. So I guess I

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Speaker 11: just want to throw it out there again and ask

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Speaker 11: how is this decision made and is there any truth

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Speaker 11: to that whatsoever?

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Speaker 8: Well, as you know, Mary Kay, I don't get caught

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Speaker 8: up in narratives. But we have a good dialogue with

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Speaker 8: myself Andrew Ownership about all things that have to do

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Speaker 8: with this team. They've been nothing but supportive and any

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Speaker 8: decision when it comes to football is my decision.

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Speaker 6: Thanks.

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Speaker 11: And if I can ask a quick follow up here,

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Speaker 11: what kind of a lift do you think it will

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Speaker 11: be for Nick Chubb to come back for you guys

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Speaker 11: this week?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: You know Nick's working very hard. Just spend some time

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Speaker 8: with him just now. He's going to take this thing

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Speaker 8: day by day and see where we go. But he's

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Speaker 8: a you know, this only comes with hard work.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, all right? Ex justin.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, Kevin, I just wanted to talk about the penalties

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Speaker 18: down in the red zone there at the in the

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Speaker 18: second half. You know, Deshaun kind of paused a little

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Speaker 18: bit set up. I don't really know how we're going

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Speaker 18: to fix this, you know in practice, how do you

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Speaker 18: really see that? And how can you get these guys

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Speaker 18: more discipline because it seems like every week these penalties

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Speaker 18: are kind of you know, sticking you guys and putting

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Speaker 18: you in bad position.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's it's frustrating because you know, you

782
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Speaker 8: want to beat the other team.

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Speaker 6: You don't want to beat yourself.

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Speaker 8: And there's too many moments there, especially on third down.

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Speaker 8: We had two other conversions, not not in the red zone,

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Speaker 8: but we had two other conversions that were called back

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Speaker 8: for holding penalties. We have to be better, We have

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Speaker 8: to coach it better. We got to play better with

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Speaker 8: better technique. And it's all all those especially the ones

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Speaker 8: the pre snap that you could you really it's nothing

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Speaker 8: that they're doing.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: All right, we'll do two more. First one from Ashley.

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Speaker 19: Hey Kevin, I guess entering this week, how is Ethan

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Speaker 19: Posick doing? And if Ethan can't go, would the plan

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Speaker 19: be for Michael Dunn to take out about right now?

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Speaker 8: It's a good question, Ashley, Ethan's getting better. Well, we're

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Speaker 8: gonna have to see how that goes throughout this week

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Speaker 8: and and still need to sit with the coaches and

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Speaker 8: determine what, you know, what our plan.

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Speaker 6: Is this week. We'll see that will really be day

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Speaker 6: to day.

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Speaker 19: And just watching it back. I mean what Michael did,

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Speaker 19: like having to slide over in the game in that

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Speaker 19: spot when he and DeShawn hadn't worked together at all.

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Speaker 19: Just what do you think of the job he did

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Speaker 19: in his first game back.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Mike did a nice job. Obviously, played majority of

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Speaker 8: guard throughout the week. He snaps for us, you know,

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Speaker 8: every day, but it's not like he's getting the bulk

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Speaker 8: of those reps. So that's just part of the life

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Speaker 8: in the NFL and certainly part of being a backup

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Speaker 8: offensive lineman. Sometimes you're the first guarden or the first

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Speaker 8: tackle in, or the first the second center, those type

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Speaker 8: of things.

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Speaker 6: Just understanding what your role is and where you may

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Speaker 6: have to fill in.

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Speaker 7: All right, last one from Scott.

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Speaker 9: Hey Kevin, I got two quick ones. Follow up on

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Speaker 9: the Nick chulblin. You do you think expectations have to

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Speaker 9: be everything that he's coming back from if he does

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Speaker 9: play for you this week.

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Speaker 6: I'm not so concerned about that, Scott. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: understand the question.

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Speaker 8: I think for me and for Nick and for this team,

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Speaker 8: he just wants to do his job, whatever that may be.

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Speaker 8: But we're not getting too far ahead of ourselves. Really

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Speaker 8: just worried about the day to day with him.

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Speaker 9: And then on the DeVante Smith touchdown, is there anything

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Speaker 9: Greg could have done on that? And maybe the rest

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Speaker 9: of the defense that there's nobody like on that side

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Speaker 9: of the field.

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Speaker 8: That stops at Yeah, obviously you know they ran a

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Speaker 8: similar play earlier. There's things that we can do better

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Speaker 8: all across the board. That's that's something that you know,

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Speaker 8: obviously it's a good play call by them in that

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Speaker 8: versus that defense. But we can we can get that

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Speaker 8: thing down for you know, whatever the gain is, but

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Speaker 8: not for such a such a big one.

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Speaker 9: Thanks all right.

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Speaker 7: That wraps us up, Thanks coach.

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Speaker 2: Thanks every much, Thanks us all right, there you go,

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Speaker 3: So that's the severity, uh.

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Speaker 4: From Pierre Strong, I thought that was one of the

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Speaker 4: right spots in the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was probably as effective. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was as effective as we've been offensively.

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Speaker 2: And understand the bars Low grand Delpit's still in the

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Speaker 2: protocol as well. He was tweeting.

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Speaker 3: During the game. During the game, I think.

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Speaker 4: It's there's a different I mean, listen, Lak Neighbors was

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Speaker 4: attending concerts fall in the protocol.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a different.

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Speaker 2: Valid valid No. No, I wasn't meaning in that sense,

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Speaker 2: but it was just from the standpoint of, like I

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Speaker 2: know he he was watching the game because he was

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Speaker 2: tweeting during the game, and so there it is on that.

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Speaker 2: And then in terms of changes, coach Tfanski not a

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Speaker 2: noun announcing anything on a Monday that tells you the

879
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: probably won't be any as the week goes along.

880
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: Which is surprising, to be honest.

881
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 4: I as we kind of said, and we were, you know,

882
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: we're flying blind just on what we've seen and what

883
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 4: we thought for you know, the first half hour before

884
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 4: coach spoke. Typically he speaks before our program on a Monday.

885
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 4: It would seem to me, given the performance of this offense,

886
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 4: that change is needed, and perhaps it'll be something that

887
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 4: is just not discussed publicly.

888
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: It will not be the quarterback. We know that for sure.

889
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: I thought it was.

890
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: There were some very good questions asked in this press conference,

891
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 4: very direct questions, and I thought he gave some direct answers.

892
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 4: He Kevin Stefanski believes that Deshaun Watson gives this team

893
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 4: the best chance to win. He said that that's why

894
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 4: he is the starting quarterback. And then he was asked

895
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 4: if this is his decision or if he was being forced,

896
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: which we told you last week complete nonsense. Yeah, and

897
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 4: he said, when it comes to football, all decisions are

898
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 4: mine and the uh there it is. Yeah, that's where

899
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 4: we're going here, that's where we're at. As you said earlier,

900
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 4: I think it's something that was very very good was

901
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: this team needs to earn back you are belief and

902
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 4: our expectations of success, because right now it is, like

903
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 4: I said, it's watching the same movie, knowing the outcome

904
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 4: and knowing exactly what the pratfalls are going to be.

905
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Speaker 3: And that's what we've seen so far.

906
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 4: So there are things that could be happening behind the

907
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 4: scenes that don't need to be necessarily in a press conference,

908
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Speaker 4: and I certainly hope that that is the case, but

909
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 4: right now we will not get anything, certainly to anything

910
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 4: major in terms of a change here with the Cleveland Browns.

911
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 4: And I will say I personally I find that surprising.

912
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty good sample size when you're talking

913
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: about six games. So at this point this is who

914
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: you are offensively.

915
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Speaker 4: Which is historically bad. It's not like we're struggling a

916
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 4: little bit.

917
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: No, that's why you go back to conversations, you and I,

918
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 2: and you and I and Hoff will have a conversation shortly,

919
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: but like, what do we do well offensively? The answer

920
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: right now is nothing like.

921
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 4: You know, long ago, Conan O'Brien was saying in the

922
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 4: year and we're talking about since that.

923
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Speaker 2: Sense then yeah, no, it's yeah. And this isn't an

924
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: expansion team. This isn't a team at the rook the

925
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: highest paid offense in football. Yeah yeah, so this is

926
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Speaker 2: this is very different from the other teams that are

927
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943
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: ray of sunshine anywhere. Offensively with this operation.

944
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Speaker 10: Well, if you're forcingming to answer the hardest questions first,

945
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 10: I'll come with pull gusto here and run the ball

946
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 10: a little bit more effectively in the second half. I

947
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 10: think it really made a big difference Evan Jed Wills

948
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 10: and Jack Concomb back out there, because when they went

949
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 10: under center and they ran some of the traditional zone plays,

950
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 10: they were fairly effective. I'm not saying they were world

951
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 10: beaters or they were, you know, moving up and down

952
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 10: the field against Eagles, but they were efficient. And I

953
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 10: think with a running game that's efficient, it's going to

954
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 10: set up some more play action pass If you're able

955
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 10: to do that under center, potentially you can set up

956
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 10: some easy throws for de Shaun Watson. That's sort of

957
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 10: the hallmark of every Kyle Shanahan type system, which is

958
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 10: what Kevin Stefanski likes. So there may be a little

959
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 10: way of hope, little ray of sunshine there if they

960
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 10: get into a little bit more of that under center's

961
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 10: zone run schemes with some of the play action passes

962
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 10: behind it.

963
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did see some success without Pierre Strong did

964
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 4: a good job, especially in some of those situations. Uh,

965
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 4: what do you make of And I don't know if

966
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 4: you've seen or heard you know, Kevin Sefanski basically saying

967
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 4: there will be no changes to Shawn Watson and still

968
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 4: the quarterback gives the team the best chance to win.

969
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 4: You know, if that is true, what do we need

970
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 4: to do either around him or what must he need

971
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 4: to do better to change what we have seen as

972
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: unfortunately a very consistent path through six weeks.

973
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 10: He needs to cut it loose. When he's throwing the ball,

974
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 10: it looks like he's aiming it a lot, and that's

975
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 10: why he's missing wide open receivers oftentimes down the field.

976
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 10: It seems like he's thinking about it. It's kind of like,

977
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 10: you know, when you got a free throw and you're

978
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 10: not just shooting, you're trying to aim. It never works,

979
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 10: or when somebody's wide open, it's going to just cut

980
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 10: it loose. Looks like he's in Obviously that's repetition, that's

981
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 10: finding a way to control your mind in those situations,

982
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 10: putting yourself into those situations when you're sitting at home

983
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 10: and you're in your room by yourself, close your eyes,

984
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 10: visualize making those throws. I think that's how you give

985
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 10: yourself a chance to train your brain to be able

986
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 10: to have success in those moments, because your brain doesn't

987
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 10: know the difference between if it happened or if you

988
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 10: visualize it. And if he's able to do that when

989
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 10: he's at home, when he's away from the facility, he's

990
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 10: going to start making some of those throws that you

991
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 10: have to make when you're an NFL starting quarterback. And

992
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 10: I think, well, we just talked about too, like if

993
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 10: we're able to run the ball a little bit more

994
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 10: effectively under center some of those zone runs and teams

995
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 10: start to have to think about, all right, how are

996
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 10: we going to stop that? And I have no idea.

997
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 10: You guys maybe tell more than what I'd be able

998
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 10: to tell right now about when Nick Chubb is going

999
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 10: to be ready. But if he gets back in the

1000
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 10: fold now, I think potentially you could have a running

1001
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 10: game that's a little bit more scary and that is

1002
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 10: always good for play action passing. And I think that's

1003
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 10: truly where we want to do because it gives you

1004
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 10: easy completions it's not just stand back there in the

1005
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 10: shotgun and have to read the defense and skill after

1006
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 10: the other.

1007
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: The thing that's so disappointing about all of this is

1008
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: that this was a team that we said, Hey, let's

1009
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: go win the division, let's be a playoff team, let's

1010
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: try to make a run in the postseason. It was

1011
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: building towards this, right. So there were a lot of

1012
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: teams over the last twenty some years that you go

1013
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: into the season, go, boy, it's going to be really

1014
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: difficult for those teams to be able to win this.

1015
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: No one saw this coming, this type of struggle. So

1016
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: when you're having this type of struggle, how do you

1017
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: if you're Stefanski and Schwortz, especially in charge of the

1018
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: offensive side and the defensive side, primarily even Bubba too,

1019
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: although they got a special Teams touchown of the game

1020
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: on Sunday, how do you not lose veterans who quite

1021
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: honestly expected more out of what this season has become.

1022
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: And how do you get guys to bow up and

1023
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 2: to not push the chips in for lack of a

1024
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: better term.

1025
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 10: Well, that's the challenge. And sometimes the toughest coaching jobs

1026
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 10: are when you are in these situations when you're not

1027
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 10: living up to expectations, because it's really easy for that

1028
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 10: team to fracture. It's easy to hold the team together

1029
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 10: when you're winning. And I always laugh when guys talk about,

1030
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 10: you know, a small man, We just we got along

1031
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 10: so well. We had such great camaraderie. We loved hang

1032
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 10: it out, you know, we just got along really well. Well. Yeah,

1033
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 10: because when you win, you like everybody, and when you lose,

1034
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 10: you hate everybody. So it's really about execution. That really

1035
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 10: doesn't havehing to do with how much you liked everybody else.

1036
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 10: But I think the chips that Kevin Stefanski has built up,

1037
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 10: the trust that he's built between himself and some of

1038
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 10: the veteran leaders that have been around here, this is

1039
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 10: when it has to pay off. And really this is

1040
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 10: when Kevin's probably turn him in some of those IOUs

1041
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 10: with Digital Buttonio's, the Miles Garretts, the guys that have

1042
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 10: been around a while, because it's up to those guys

1043
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 10: in the locker room to keep people together, keep them focused,

1044
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 10: keep them giving the same effort now at one in

1045
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 10: five as we would if we were five and one.

1046
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 10: And it's really hard for a coach to be that

1047
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 10: person because they can hold everybody accountable in meetings and

1048
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 10: try to get you to do the right things. But

1049
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 10: really it's that peer to peer pressure that needs to

1050
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 10: be exerted from those veterans in the locker room that

1051
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 10: was hopefully built up with the level of trust that

1052
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 10: they've built between themselves and Kevin Stefanski after having him

1053
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 10: as a coach for the last few seasons.

1054
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 4: Listen, Kevin's fancy is the two time coach of the Year.

1055
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 4: I don't think he forgot a coach or any of that.

1056
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 4: I think he's a good leader. I think that he's

1057
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 4: done a good job in being a play caller. Over

1058
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 4: the time that he's been here. It's been a winning

1059
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 4: record for the Cleveland Browns, which is not something we've

1060
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 4: had over a four year period in forever, since probably

1061
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 4: before the team came back. So there's a lot of

1062
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 4: that cachet that you're talking about built up. My question

1063
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 4: is you mentioned Joel Buttonia, you mentioned Miles Garrett. Imagine

1064
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 4: for you when you were here, you know you would

1065
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 4: be one of those those voices. But doesn't that voice

1066
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 4: and a lot of that belief in a locker room

1067
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 4: have to come from the quarterback in this day and

1068
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 4: age in the National Football League.

1069
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 10: Certainly that was always the challenge when I was there.

1070
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 10: It is we never really had a great quarterback. And

1071
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 10: as much as lineman want to be leaders, and receivers

1072
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 10: can be leaders to some level, and even defensive players

1073
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 10: certainly any position on defense can be that leader, that

1074
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 10: guy that is the straw that serves the drink on defense.

1075
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 10: But in the end, the quarterback is the closest thing

1076
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 10: to a coach, and he's also the most important person

1077
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 10: on the roster, and everybody understands that. And you're the

1078
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 10: most important person. Your play is going to dictate how

1079
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 10: much people want to follow you, not the words that

1080
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 10: you say. And so you've got to get people to

1081
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 10: lead by the performance that you put out on the field,

1082
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 10: by the work that you put in during the week

1083
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 10: of practice. Because on offense, specifically, he's the one that's

1084
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 10: standing back there looking at everybody. So if the receiver's

1085
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 10: not on the right spot, if the tight ends not

1086
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 10: making the right steps in his motion, if the linemen

1087
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 10: aren't aligned properly, he's the one that has to say

1088
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 10: that because the coach is standing on the sideline on

1089
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 10: game day and then practice is standing twenty third behind,

1090
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 10: and he doesn't want to have to stop every single

1091
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 10: play when there's a little mistake. That's up to the quarterback.

1092
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 10: You're the field general, You're the one that has to

1093
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 10: do all those things. So if you want to have

1094
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 10: a good team, your quarterback has to be that dude.

1095
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 10: But it starts with their performance because as much as

1096
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 10: you want to be back there chirping, and we've had

1097
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 10: some quarterbacks that I played with that were great leaders,

1098
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 10: but they didn't perform well enough to get everybody to

1099
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 10: follow them and to buy into what they were selling.

1100
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: Ha Zee and I were talking in the first hour

1101
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: about just kind of this injury epidemic that's around the

1102
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: league and our team continues to get hit with it.

1103
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 2: He can't fill out boards until middle of the week,

1104
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 2: is you don't know who's actually going to be in

1105
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: the too deep and those type of things. We have

1106
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: gotten to a point in the league and you've I thought,

1107
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: I remember you saying this once to us that you

1108
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: needed three days, but this was a year out of

1109
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: retirement that you needed about three days a week in

1110
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: order to get ready to be able to play a game.

1111
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: By the time you got towards the end of your career.

1112
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: Do we need to reevaluate how we handle the preseason

1113
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: in terms of the lack of physicality, the lack of

1114
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: building up callouses, muscle memories, so forth and so on.

1115
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: Obviously Detroit is an example of going the other way

1116
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: and being ultra physical. Pittsburgh too in terms of what

1117
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: they do in their preseason play. Is there any correlation

1118
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: for you at all or is that something that at

1119
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: least needs to be re examined.

1120
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Speaker 10: That's a great question. I would love to just explore

1121
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 10: this on a two hour podcast with you guys. I

1122
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 10: got a lot of thoughts about it. Obviously, I lived

1123
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 10: in the old days and we had two a days,

1124
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 10: which douck. But there was a level of callous that

1125
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 10: you did build in your body. And I would love

1126
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 10: to have like the sports scientists, the guys who looked

1127
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 10: at the injury data and been able to talk about

1128
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 10: that in a little bit more depth, which I haven't

1129
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 10: been able to. But I think there is potentially something

1130
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 10: to be said there, but maybe it's in a different

1131
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 10: way people think. And that's my hook. So hopefully you

1132
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 10: guys continue to listen. You don't turn Grady off right now.

1133
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 10: I think when I think back to what we did,

1134
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 10: like two days or even just when we had practice

1135
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 10: once a day and it was always in pads, you

1136
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 10: did feel like you built up of a level of

1137
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 10: callous You learned how to fall, you learned how to

1138
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 10: hit you know, granted, you were very sore. And I

1139
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 10: think the message from today's high performance people is that

1140
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 10: that's not the right way to train because over time

1141
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 10: it diminishes your speed, your explosiveness, your power, and you're

1142
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 10: not as good of an athlete as you could be

1143
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 10: by a larger margin if you did rest the body

1144
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 10: properly and you train in a different manner, like pretty

1145
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 10: much every NFL team trains right now. But I think

1146
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 10: the flip side of that is because we are training

1147
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 10: the way we are with more rest in training camp,

1148
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 10: we're not callousing ourselves the same way we did when

1149
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 10: I was there. You are getting guys that are more fresh,

1150
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 10: They're faster, they're quicker, they're more explosive, they're more able

1151
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 10: to create tremendous forces on the field because they're not

1152
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 10: so tired, they're not so beat down. And I think

1153
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 10: some of that could be leading to some of the

1154
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 10: additional injuries if the numbers show it, which I don't

1155
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 10: know if they do or not. It seems like every

1156
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 10: year we talk about injuries, but that's kind of the

1157
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 10: way I remember it. Even when I was a younger player,

1158
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 10: was like, oh, we've got so many injuries, and then

1159
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 10: I just realized, well, yeah, it's football. Everybody's got injuries

1160
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 10: every year. And so I'm not sure if that really

1161
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 10: is the numbers, but if the number do say yes,

1162
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 10: there's way more injuries. I think part of it could

1163
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 10: be is we are training guys and maximizing guys a freshness, power, quickness,

1164
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 10: speed almost every time they got on the field and

1165
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 10: they put the pads on, and so you don't get

1166
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 10: guys that are just worn out running into each other

1167
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 10: kind of like we were after a couple two days.

1168
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 10: You're getting the freshest dudes making significant collisions every single

1169
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 10: time they put pads on, and you combine that with

1170
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 10: the less experience of being in those collision situations, and

1171
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 10: potentially it's causing more injuries. And then I don't want

1172
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 10: to go on forever because I know it's a long topic.

1173
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 10: But the other thing is I do think today's game

1174
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 10: is way more wide open, and because of that, you

1175
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 10: get I think fewer of the wear and tear, like

1176
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 10: ten twenty thirty years down the line, the arthritis, the joints,

1177
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 10: like the head injury, that type of stuff, But you

1178
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 10: do get a lot more guys that are hitting each

1179
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 10: other at full speed where they're not seeing where the

1180
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 10: hit came from. They're falling into guys because they're a

1181
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 10: little bit out of control because they are playing with

1182
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 10: more space with more speed, And I think that's one

1183
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 10: of the downsides of our game, going from a twenty

1184
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 10: one personnel where we got a fullback and a tight

1185
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 10: end and the fullbacks lining up five yards away from

1186
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 10: the line of scrimmage, the linebackers lining up five yards

1187
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 10: away from line of scrimmage, and they're just running into

1188
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 10: each other like two rhinoceroses. I mean, they're just staring

1189
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 10: at each other. So there's less of a chance of

1190
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 10: guys getting hit from the side or hitting the legs

1191
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 10: or not expecting contact when the contact is coming. But

1192
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 10: I think there was there's a lot more like the

1193
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 10: wear and tear type stuff. When you do have a

1194
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 10: lot more of those three yard and a cloud of

1195
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 10: dust offense versus defense, just train wrecks running into each

1196
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 10: other for forty plays a game.

1197
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Speaker 4: One of the things that you mentioned the wide open game.

1198
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 4: I think people are bigger, stronger, faster than they were before.

1199
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Speaker 4: So for oh, they're coming in and he's had, unfortunately

1200
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 4: for him, a pretty stuff tough you know, start over

1201
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 4: two games and he's had to play against Jonathan Allen,

1202
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 4: Deron Payne and then Jordan Davis and Jalen Carr.

1203
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 3: Very difficult. Obviously.

1204
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 4: What's kind of the one piece of advice you would

1205
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 4: give to a rookie who is it's clear that the

1206
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 4: power of this game and the speed right now are

1207
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 4: something that he is still he's had some great he

1208
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 4: did have some great blocks in the game, but he's

1209
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 4: also struggling at times in past pro.

1210
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, I would say the first thing, and this is

1211
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 10: the advice I'd give to any rookie, especially to somebody

1212
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 10: who's struggling, is don't look at any social media, don't

1213
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 10: look at any traditional media. Don't listen to any voices

1214
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 10: on the outside except for what your coach and your

1215
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 10: teammates around you. And I'm sure Joel is helping him

1216
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 10: out and Jack's helping him out. Like, those are the

1217
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 10: voices that matter, So don't put any voices that don't

1218
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 10: matter into your head because that you could be filling

1219
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 10: up with productive learning. And I think from a technique standpoint, though,

1220
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 10: you see him struggling against some of the bigger, strong,

1221
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 10: physical nose guards, defensive tackles, and what you need to

1222
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 10: do is continue to work because I'm sure he is,

1223
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 10: but continue to work on more short sets where you're

1224
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 10: taking away that space. You're trying to use the snapcount

1225
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 10: to your advantage to get on that guy before he

1226
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 10: gets a chance to get going. Because if you set

1227
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 10: off the ball and you give a big boy two

1228
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 10: steps that's three forty and that runs probably a zero

1229
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 10: point four second faster forty than you do, he's going

1230
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 10: to run you over. Like you're not big enough and

1231
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 10: strong enough to be able to maintain and handle that.

1232
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 10: Like you look at a guy like Joel, who he's

1233
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 10: very strong, he's very big, and he's got the experience

1234
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 10: of playing with a leverage base underneath him. Big guy.

1235
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 10: If he sets off, big guy runs into him, he

1236
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 10: can kind of capture him and slow him down and

1237
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 10: stop him. But you can't do that when you're a

1238
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 10: smaller guy, and so you kind of got to know

1239
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 10: who you are. And so I think taking away that

1240
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 10: space more aggressive sets and passcro and doing things to

1241
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 10: try to use the snapcount to your advantage, because that's

1242
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 10: really the only advantage that you have as an offensive lineman.

1243
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen, let's play a little overreaction Monday as

1244
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: we go around the league. Here are your tasks. Your

1245
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: task is to define this as a reality or an overreaction.

1246
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 2: Let's start with Dallas coach Mike McCarthy's seat is hotter

1247
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 2: than Doug peterson's. Is that reality or an overreaction?

1248
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 10: Haf that's the one, because those seats are both burning up.

1249
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 10: They got tobasco all over them seats right now, and

1250
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 10: I would be real nervous if I was Doug Peterson.

1251
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 10: I think his seats hot are going to London again

1252
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 10: this week. I'm actually calling the game this weekend with

1253
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 10: Chris Rose, the great Chris Rose. I should know. Nice, Yeah,

1254
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 10: thank you. So I'm looking forward to that. Not the

1255
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 10: greatest matchup in the world to one in five teams.

1256
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 10: But Doug Peterson has to know the history of coaches

1257
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 10: flying back from London is not real pretty for a

1258
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,479
Speaker 10: team that before the season, Sead Con, their owner said

1259
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 10: to Jacksonville Roster that they've had and now to be

1260
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 10: one and five and kind of really really struggling to

1261
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 10: even be in the playoffs hunt come November December, I'd

1262
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 10: be pretty darn nervous. And it seems like Jerry Jones

1263
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 10: does not want to make a change a coach, and

1264
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 10: so I think that's why Doug Peterson seed is a

1265
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 10: little hotter.

1266
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a talented team.

1267
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 4: Although to be fair, in that game, I don't know

1268
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 4: if you guys watch it, the Jags dropped not one,

1269
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 4: not two, not three, but four touchdown passes from Trevor Lawrence.

1270
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: I did not see that that did he dropped four

1271
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: throws to the endz on that they dropped dropped Gabe

1272
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: Davis two of them, Brian Thomas one that was so easy,

1273
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: and I forget who dropped the four.

1274
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: I think he may have been gave Davis again. It

1275
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 3: was like absurd.

1276
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, yeah, what Dallas did yesterday with something else entirely?

1277
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 4: Did you see Jered post game in tears? He was angry, yeah,

1278
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 4: quite angry. But did hoss Point didn't say anything about

1279
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 4: make change. How about Detroit up humongous throwing laterals to

1280
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 4: pinay sewell and just like toying with them mountling out

1281
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 4: all the But why would you pull out some pretty

1282
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 4: cool trick plays and them to the league. When was

1283
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 4: Dandle in Dallas?

1284
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 10: He was?

1285
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: He was there with Sean Payton when Peyton was the

1286
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: Do I have that right off?

1287
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 3: Did he play for them?

1288
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: Did he he played for the Cowboys? And I think

1289
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 2: that he was there when Peyton was there, So I

1290
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: wonder if he has the same bitter pill with Sean Payton.

1291
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,479
Speaker 3: Is that am I making sense? Is that he was he.

1292
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: Played for the Cowboys from three to five, so he

1293
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: played there and then he was there and his assistant

1294
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: under Sean Payton.

1295
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 3: Or did Peyton bring him to New Orleans? Peyton brought him.

1296
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 4: To New Orleans where Peyton was with the coach and

1297
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 4: tight ends coach from sixteen to twenty.

1298
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 3: That's it.

1299
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: So Peyton had him in Dallas and Peyton hates the

1300
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: Cowboys too, Yes, so maybe that's what it's about.

1301
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, Well, I have an extensive offensive line coach one

1302
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 10: year in the ELF, but we did like throwing trick

1303
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 10: plays to our linemen. In situations that we were smashing people,

1304
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 10: like when we played Barcelona, we were up at like

1305
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 10: forty and we threw a pass to our left tackle.

1306
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 10: Because the thinking is is kind of twofold, like you

1307
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 10: want to reward the big fellas, and sometimes big fellas

1308
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 10: we're not used to handling the balls. And sure, you

1309
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 10: know you don't want to throw us the pass in

1310
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 10: a game that's really meaningful, but you do want to

1311
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 10: show a little bit of love. So I can understand that.

1312
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 10: But also sometimes you have trick plays that are setting

1313
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 10: up other trick plays, or you're trying to make the

1314
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 10: team that you're going to play next spend practice time

1315
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 10: practicing against some of this stuff, because if you show

1316
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 10: it in a game, they're thinking, Okay, we got to

1317
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 10: get ready for this, and then we got to get

1318
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 10: ready for potentially what's next. So maybe they're thinking in

1319
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 10: that situation threefold, Hey I hate the cowboys, screw them.

1320
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 10: What's really embarrass them too, Let's show some love to

1321
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 10: the big hog Molly. And then three maybe hey this

1322
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 10: could help us down the line because we're going to

1323
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 10: make the next opponent practice. You know, the second iteration

1324
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 10: where it looks like this and then it's something else.

1325
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 10: So either way, I think it's cool man who doesn't

1326
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 10: love Dan Campbell And I think it's the fun that

1327
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 10: they're having. They're easy to like and they're fun to watch,

1328
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 10: especially when they're beating the Cowboys in that game.

1329
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 4: That we knew going in that without Lawrence and Parsons

1330
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 4: that it was going to be good for the Lions offense.

1331
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 4: What you could not have foreseen was the complete, poor,

1332
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 4: pathetic whatever was play of the Dallas offense that was

1333
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 4: not stunning, No, that was.

1334
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 2: All right, this one for you, doctor Z first reality

1335
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 2: or overreaction. All four NFC North teams will make the playoffs.

1336
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 3: It's hard to do. But here's something that's just crazy.

1337
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 4: They all have four wins and the four highest point

1338
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 4: differentials or best point differentials in the entire National football

1339
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 4: are the.

1340
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 3: Four teams in the NFC North.

1341
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 4: So when I think of the NFC East, is it

1342
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 4: feasible they only get one in?

1343
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 3: Sure?

1344
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 4: Is it feasible that the NFC South only gets one in?

1345
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think Atlanta is pretty good and

1346
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 4: they're both four and two, and then in the West

1347
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 4: it's going to be just the Niners. I think that's

1348
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 4: pretty clear, So you would need your fourth place team,

1349
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 4: and given the nature of all the headhead games to

1350
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 4: be able to beat out either the my guess is

1351
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 4: either the Falcons or the Bucks.

1352
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 3: And that feels like that could be.

1353
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 4: A tall tall order some other just interesting fact that

1354
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 4: I got from prepping for the game. This Sunday is

1355
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 4: the last eight times that the and this would be

1356
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 4: the night that the Eagles started two and two in

1357
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 4: a season they made the playoffs every time.

1358
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: Huh, what do you think off all the af NFC

1359
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 2: North teams making the postseason?

1360
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 10: What Z said, same, same, He's exactly right, same. I

1361
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 10: just wanted to say that, but I had to add.

1362
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 3: By the way, congrats and I saw that you.

1363
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 4: It was an official retirement from the Munich Raven staff

1364
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 4: was announced today, but he left the door open, left it.

1365
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 3: The door was left the jar jar. Wow, the door

1366
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 3: is a jar for the hoff.

1367
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 10: You never say never the experiences that were as quality

1368
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 10: and meaningful for me and my family as that. I

1369
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 10: don't know if I would go back and live there,

1370
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 10: but just being involved in some manner I think would

1371
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 10: be really cool down the stretch. But I did have

1372
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 10: to laugh because the elf they have like a small

1373
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 10: media team, and they're mostly in Germany Germans, and so

1374
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 10: there's like a little language barrier sometimes and so sometimes

1375
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 10: the quotes and the stories aren't exactly true. Very like politics,

1376
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 10: mostly true, I guess on the the BS meter. But

1377
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 10: in that one story, I don't know where it was.

1378
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 10: It was like on the elf Instagram page. Whether it

1379
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 10: said I couldn't believe it. My guy sent it to

1380
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 10: me and they said, hey, Joe, I didn't know that

1381
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 10: you grew up in Germany because it clearly says in

1382
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 10: the story, like about a quote from me about how

1383
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 10: much fun I had and how enjoyable it was, and

1384
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 10: how much I enjoyed the German beer and the culture

1385
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 10: and the leaders and YadA YadA, and it said even

1386
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 10: though Thomas was born in the USA, he grew up

1387
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 10: in Germany.

1388
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 2: That's a hell of a find. Wisconsin's unbelievable to find

1389
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 2: you over there over what elite scouting that one Dutchman?

1390
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I that you said what was your favorite?

1391
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 10: Part?

1392
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 4: So is that a made up quote you're saying or

1393
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:04,959
Speaker 4: that was a real quote where they say what's your favorite?

1394
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 3: The beer? Of course the.

1395
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 10: Quote was real. Obviously the beer, of course and now

1396
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 10: I'm a beer snob, unfortunately the United States. I opened

1397
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 10: up a Coors Light that had been in the cooper

1398
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 10: at the farm for like about a year, and it

1399
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 10: just didn't taste right. You know, a year ago, before

1400
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 10: I went to Germany, I would have hammered that thing

1401
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 10: and gone for a second one. But now it was

1402
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 10: like a beer snob. I was like, this just doesn't

1403
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 10: taste this crisp and fresh as those German hell Speers

1404
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 10: that I was drinking. And so I pulled the white

1405
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 10: like I gotta go to the store. I got to

1406
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 10: get a fresh case of Coors Light. I can't be

1407
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 10: drinking this stuff. I'm a beer snob now.

1408
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 3: No more skunky beer.

1409
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 4: For the half half, we were just in Philly, and

1410
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 4: it reminded me of we had a collection of incredible

1411
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 4: mehals over three days in Philadelphia for those joint practices

1412
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 4: last year. But I was telling the story of our

1413
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 4: for aid at the steakhouse where you're like, yeah, we'll

1414
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 4: just take the left page of the menu entering speaking

1415
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 4: of your beers. You were ordering them sometime times two

1416
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 4: or even three at a time because you're just like.

1417
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 3: Yep, keep them coming, yep. More. Yes, it was incredible.

1418
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 4: Your ability to consume it even makes me blush and

1419
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 4: I most people say that liability to consume is violence, but.

1420
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 10: Yours is different. Yours is the venom. I'm the beer guy,

1421
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 10: and typically the service is not fast enough to refill

1422
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 10: a twelve ounce beer. But that's one of the things

1423
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 10: I loved about Germany. They give you a full leader,

1424
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 10: so it's hard to drink a leader of beer before

1425
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 10: the waitress comes back.

1426
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 3: Anybody could, now, what was your favorite?

1427
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: Uh, what was your favorite German beer over there that

1428
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 2: you can that maybe you can find it here? What

1429
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: was one that you're like, man, keep giving me that one.

1430
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 10: Yeah, So unfortunately, my two favorite one was tigran Seer Beer,

1431
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 10: which was made in a little town called Tagrancy, which

1432
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 10: is right around the Tagrancy just south of Munich, a

1433
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 10: beautiful area of amazing beer, so light and crisp. It

1434
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 10: was like a blonde hell, it was gorgeous. Loved it.

1435
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 10: And then Augustiner, which it's an interesting cultural thing like

1436
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,839
Speaker 10: if you're in Munich and you're in your thirties forties

1437
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 10: and somebody's like, hey, what's your favorite beer? The right

1438
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 10: answer is Augustiner and then you can say whatever you

1439
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 10: actually feel after that. But if you don't say Augustiner first,

1440
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 10: they just completely preplue you as if you're some like

1441
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 10: four and schmuck that's never drink a beer in your life.

1442
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 10: So I would always say, well, my favorite Augustina, which

1443
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 10: is an outstanding beer by the way, it's my second favorite,

1444
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 10: but really the best one was the Tagan's here. But unfortunately,

1445
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 10: I think you can get Augustina in cans here, but

1446
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 10: you can't get Tigrants here, and which is it's a

1447
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 10: shame because I've had the Augustina in the can when

1448
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 10: I came home because I just was craving it. And

1449
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 10: I think just because it gets shipped overseas, it just

1450
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 10: tastes differently than when you get over there, because the

1451
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 10: stuff over there, you're just drinking it right out of

1452
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 10: the keg, so fresh, there's no leg time, and I

1453
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 10: think you start to taste a little bit of a

1454
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 10: difference with how christ and clean and fresh a beer

1455
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 10: is when it's recently been brewed right there and you're

1456
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 10: consuming it there rather than putting it on a boat

1457
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 10: and shipping across the big Atlantic Pond.

1458
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 3: It's like sushi it's exactly like sushi. It's like sushi

1459
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 3: blows your bike. Fresh is best, Fresh is better. It

1460
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 3: really is. All right.

1461
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 2: We've got three in a row at home Bengals Sunday

1462
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: at one o'clock. The Bengals won last night with defense

1463
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 2: off it they've been Burrow had been thrown for three

1464
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 2: hundred yards. They really didn't get Chase going at all,

1465
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 2: and they still won seventeen to seven in New York.

1466
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: They are a desperate, desperate team. Just two and four,

1467
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 2: just a game better than us. We've had success with

1468
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: Burrow during his time here. What are you looking for

1469
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: first Sunday to lead you to believe that this one

1470
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: will be different than the previous six have been.

1471
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 10: Well, I think, like we talked about, if we're able

1472
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 10: to get the running game going a little bit like

1473
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 10: we had in the second half, I think that makes

1474
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 10: their offense more balanced, more dangerous, and I think it

1475
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 10: takes a little pressure off to Shaun Watson where maybe

1476
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 10: he doesn't feel like he has to extend so many

1477
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 10: plays where he can just kind of take what the

1478
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 10: defense gives them. Get rid of the football, get out

1479
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 10: of your hand. You know, sometimes the best throw is

1480
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 10: one that just goes out the bounds on the sideline

1481
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 10: and now it's second and tent. Right, you don't always

1482
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 10: have to extend every play and try to make something

1483
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 10: work and then take a sack and get stuck in

1484
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 10: third and impossibles. But if we're in, if we're in

1485
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 10: the game next weekend against Cincy and we convert our

1486
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 10: first third down, I'm cracking a beer. I'm cracking at

1487
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 10: seventy three colts because that's the best year I can

1488
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 10: give in the States, and I'm taking it to the

1489
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 10: house because I'm celebrating. So that's one thing that the

1490
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 10: Bounds have not done a litter is convert third down.

1491
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 10: So if we can do that, like that's my super Bowl.

1492
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 3: I hope we can.

1493
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 4: How can you You've been a part of some teams

1494
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 4: that you know, in the middle of the season, perhaps

1495
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 4: it was a little bit on the ropes. What's kind

1496
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 4: of just the one thing that you would say needs

1497
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 4: to happen, either in the locker room, on the practice field,

1498
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 4: you know, whatever, is because I think just the notion

1499
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 4: that doing everything the way that you've been doing it

1500
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 4: and you're expecting a different outcome, that just seems that

1501
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 4: seems like a fool zeran, So what's kind of the

1502
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,600
Speaker 4: one thing that you would say, this is what you

1503
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 4: need to do, this is what needs to change.

1504
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:19,440
Speaker 10: So it was cool and Munich our director of medical

1505
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 10: and sports development. He was like everything on that side.

1506
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 10: He was from South Africa and he spent a lot

1507
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 10: of time coaching South African rugby and soccer teams and

1508
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 10: then went to China and he was kind of at

1509
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 10: all over the world. But he told me a cool story.

1510
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 10: He was on a soccer team that had high expectations,

1511
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 10: kind of like the brown started out really struggling, Andres

1512
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 10: had like a shaman type guy that was in his

1513
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 10: tribe from wherever he grew up in South Africa, and

1514
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 10: he talked to the coach about bringing him in, you know,

1515
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 10: we got to get rid of this bad mojo. And

1516
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 10: he came in and he had like a stick and

1517
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 10: like the smoke, and they had like this whole ceremony

1518
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 10: and put the stick down in the locker room and

1519
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 10: everybody had to like jump over the stick three times

1520
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 10: and then go around in a certain direction, and you know,

1521
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 10: just the routine of them believing that this was what

1522
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 10: they needed to get rid of all the bad juju.

1523
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 10: All of a sudden, he said, they went out and

1524
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 10: they won like the next three or four games in

1525
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 10: a row. And so I think if the Browns bring

1526
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 10: that witch doctor from Africa over and they go and

1527
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 10: jump over the stick three or four times in the

1528
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 10: locker room and then before they got to practice Wednesday,

1529
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 10: I think everything changes now. The second part of the

1530
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 10: story is that after three or four games they started

1531
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 10: losing again and they brought the witch doctor back and

1532
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 10: he said, ah, I forgot one important thing. You have

1533
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 10: to jump over it three times, but then one last

1534
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 10: time to go back in the other direction. And then

1535
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 10: it didn't work after that, but at least they changed

1536
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 10: something up. They let everybody in that locker room believe

1537
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 10: that the juju was gone and it was time for

1538
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 10: them to be able to play free. The guys bought

1539
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 10: into it because the different something news, something they could

1540
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 10: at least hang their hat on a little bit of

1541
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 10: hope and belief that, you know, this was going to

1542
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 10: be the change that they needed. And in all seriousness,

1543
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 10: if you find a way to just change the routine

1544
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 10: at all, whether it be the schedule of the practice,

1545
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 10: what you're doing in practice, maybe some of the discipline,

1546
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 10: if guys make a penalty, if there's a fall, start

1547
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 10: that type of stuff, because obviously that's hindered us all

1548
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 10: season and hurt us again really bad at the end

1549
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 10: of this game. You know, just finding a way to

1550
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,879
Speaker 10: get guys to believe that something is different, something has changed,

1551
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 10: allows you to tap into that subconscious in your mind

1552
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 10: to start performing better. Because the longer that you keep

1553
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 10: things the same and that they keep going poorly, the

1554
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 10: more you just start to believe that you'll never turn

1555
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 10: it around and there's no hope. But as soon as

1556
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 10: you change something, you give those guys an opportunity to

1557
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 10: have that growth mindset in their mind that yeah, you're right,

1558
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 10: we did change things up. We're doing things differently. We

1559
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 10: know we have the talent. We now believe back in

1560
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 10: each other like we did at the beginning of the season,

1561
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 10: and now we can go out and play free. We

1562
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 10: can play stress free. We can lift that burden off

1563
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 10: our shoulders and just cut it loose. So whatever that is,

1564
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 10: whatever it works into Kevin Stavinski's schedule or how he

1565
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 10: handles the team, or what they do for practice, or

1566
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 10: how they travel, how they eat, I mean, it doesn't

1567
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 10: matter but do something and then give them that belief

1568
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 10: and make sure that those leaders are behind it, because

1569
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 10: I think that's what you need because right now they're

1570
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 10: just in a routine of playing worse and worse, it

1571
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 10: feels like every week, and you lose that hope and

1572
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 10: pretty soon it's all gone.

1573
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 2: Huf, I'll get you out of here this. I'm gonna

1574
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 2: give you some numbers. Forty seven for three oh nine,

1575
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 2: five tuddies, six point six a tote. The Badgers found

1576
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 2: their way, buddy. That's got to make up. That's got

1577
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: to make you proud, buddy. They're back to road grading

1578
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 2: a little bit.

1579
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 10: It was beautiful, man. It was so fun watching that

1580
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 10: game because it's been a little bit like the Browns

1581
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 10: watching the Badgers this season. High expectations. They come in

1582
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 10: where you know everybody's still takings say, we've got the

1583
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 10: good offensive line, we can run the ball, and all

1584
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 10: we're doing is throwing these short ear raid passes with

1585
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 10: no yack. Really, it's like, how many one yard passes

1586
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 10: can we have before we realize that ain't working. So

1587
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 10: we went back to running the ball, and look what happens.

1588
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 10: We blow the team out, We win, and all of

1589
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 10: a sudden Now there's hope again. Right now. We believe

1590
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 10: in that this new look it can help us. So

1591
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,799
Speaker 10: maybe it's just a different strategy for the Browns on offense.

1592
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 10: Just what we're going to emphasize. And I've been calling

1593
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 10: for it for a while. But let's just get back

1594
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 10: to the under center zone running like we did in

1595
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 10: the second half. Just make that our identity and say

1596
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 10: this is who we are, is what we do the

1597
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 10: rest of the season. Try to stop it.

1598
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 2: You're the best, Buddy good talking to you, huff.

1599
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 10: I appreciate it. Guys, have a great week.

1600
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 2: All right there He is Joe Thomas and the Joe

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Speaker 2: Time for the great clips. Great clip of the game,

1617
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 2: Great clips, It's going to be great. Here is Miles

1618
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 2: with a play that quite honestly, only he can make.

1619
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 13: Fifty seven yard field goldtry high snap is down, Elliott.

1620
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 8: Blocked, Miles blocked, it, picked up by the Browns running

1621
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 8: down the sideline.

1622
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 5: Rodney McCloud hee.

1623
01:20:56,080 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 14: May got somersault into the enzode touch down Brown.

1624
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 2: That's awesome. It was on that play when I thought, okay,

1625
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 2: maybe we can steal one totally.

1626
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 4: And what was insane about it from an Eagles perspective,

1627
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 4: and these things don't get as scrutinized when you win.

1628
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 4: Is they had third and one, there were thirty two

1629
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 4: seconds left something like that, and Brown's they were up

1630
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 4: ten to three, so they could have guaranteed that they

1631
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 4: went in the half at worst up ten to three

1632
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 4: and on third and one, instead of just running their

1633
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 4: unstoppable push push truly yeah, and getting first down, calling

1634
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 4: another time out, and then you'd have about twenty nine

1635
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 4: seconds probably to go third for a touchdown, but make

1636
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 4: an easy field goal.

1637
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 3: They go shotgun.

1638
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 4: We bring an all out blitz, great call by Jim Schwartz,

1639
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 4: and we get a sack because of jok speed he

1640
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 4: got over there before Saquon could, and then it's a

1641
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 4: long field goal at least, like there's no way that

1642
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 4: the Browns should add any opportunity to put points on

1643
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 4: the board in that situation if they had just gotten

1644
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 4: done what they do every time. I mean, they're a team.

1645
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 4: It's crazy to me how much they struggle. They have

1646
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 4: to get ten percent fewer yards on every first down

1647
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 4: than every team in the league. If they get to

1648
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 4: third or fourth and one, it's a first down, they're

1649
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 4: playing first and nine.

1650
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,719
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

1651
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 4: I was stupefying. But Miles the incredible athleticism. Great job

1652
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 4: by Shelby Harris and Dalvin Tomlinson to kind of get

1653
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 4: on but not hold down. The guys give him the

1654
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 4: space to get over and then what a perfect scoop

1655
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 4: and score by Rodney McCloud and Mamud Diabat spoke with

1656
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 4: the media earlier that he had a nice game for

1657
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 4: the Browns. Brings a great physicality. I like his I

1658
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 4: like his style. I like the cut of his jib.

1659
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 4: He he I guess told mcclod before that play, when

1660
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 4: they knew it got called, He's like, you're gonna score

1661
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 4: on this one, and then he did with help of

1662
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 4: a block from Diabata.

1663
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 3: It was pretty awesome.

1664
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: What was that place like at halftime?

1665
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 3: Oh? Booing, angry, very angry.

1666
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you saw after the game, Siriani's like

1667
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 4: woofing with people in the stands, and then he brings

1668
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 4: his son into, I think, to this press conference, which

1669
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 4: was a pretty savvy, savvy but also a little supposed

1670
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 4: to be a human taking the kid to be the

1671
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 4: human shield, be the product.

1672
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like an NBA player move.

1673
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 3: You see that.

1674
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes they'll bring a kid or a daughter to a

1675
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 2: presser so that you don't get.

1676
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 4: Steph does that though typically Steph's curry is a person,

1677
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 4: but he does it after.

1678
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 2: He wins, until there are plenty of guys who have

1679
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 2: done it after L's and they go up there and

1680
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 2: bring the kid up there, and the kid sits there

1681
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 2: and has to take it.

1682
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 3: I missed it. I don't miss anything.

1683
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 2: Oh man, uh hey, fun Saturday afternoon with the Guards

1684
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 2: that got switched to afternoon, which allowed for you to

1685
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 2: watch that and the Ohio State Oregon game at night.

1686
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 3: So we were on a tarmac, we were on the plane.

1687
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 2: So you missed the Guards because you were you see

1688
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 2: the home run.

1689
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 3: The gant see it.

1690
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 4: No, but our WiFi is such that we're able to

1691
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 4: like at least follow along on you know, like the

1692
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 4: CBS Sports app for an ESPN app, and so we

1693
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 4: knew that it had happened. Yeah, we weren't able to

1694
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 4: see it. Then we finally saw it. It was what an

1695
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 4: awesome moment.

1696
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:05,759
Speaker 3: It's great.

1697
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was cool.

1698
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 2: And now we get major League that's right. Us and

1699
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 2: the Yanks, well, Jeter.

1700
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 3: Said that the Yankees like, I'll say it, you know.

1701
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 2: A Rod goes, I'll say it, Jeet, and then he

1702
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 2: went way in like it's Jeter's phase first and he

1703
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 2: starts talking about how you you know, probably an easy

1704
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 2: path and then a Rod Pops jumps it and he goes.

1705
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: I'll say it, jeet, easiest path in twenty years for

1706
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 2: the Yankees to get.

1707
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 3: To the post, to get to the World Series.

1708
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 2: So because they've got their argument is that they've owned

1709
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 2: the the the American League.

1710
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 5: We're crashing the rich kids club Mett's Yankees, Dodgers US.

1711
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but true, but also like one thing that you're

1712
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 2: going to see. And by the way, I have it's

1713
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 2: no secret I don't watch baseball anymore, but I've been

1714
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 2: pulled into this and grew up a Dodgers fan, and

1715
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 2: so I've watched a little of their stuff. Is it

1716
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 2: works good for who I am as a as a man,

1717
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 2: I'm forty, It's it's perfect Like football on one channel,

1718
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 2: baseball's on another. I can kind of watch both and

1719
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 2: keep an eye on things. So I did that last night.

1720
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,560
Speaker 2: I watched Yankees and Dodgers, and then I had the

1721
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: Sunday night football game up as well, and you can

1722
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 2: so quickly be brought back to it. But good job

1723
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 2: out of baseball. They're having a it's been a ratings

1724
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 2: a bit of a bonanza, and I think it will

1725
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 2: continue like that in great markets. It's great markets, and

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01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 2: it's huge fan bases, like the Guardians. Indians fan base

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01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 2: is a huge fan base, so they're Northeast Ohio expats

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01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 2: all over the country. So last year, for example, the

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01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 2: World Series, could either of you tell me who the

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01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: World Series was last year without looking, because I couldn't

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01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 2: World Series World Series.

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Speaker 5: Rangers won it, only.

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Speaker 3: Griff I know, you know, I'm asking these two. Sorry,

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01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 3: I know you know. Zero percent.

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01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Arizona, right, that's it.

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01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 4: Could say, could I name one person from that Arizona

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01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 4: Diamondbacks team?

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01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 3: No, No, I could not. No, it's Rangers. Josh Hamilton.

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01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 2: Josh Hamilton's still there's not really one. Gonzales is still

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01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 2: d hing too, That Hamilton, Julio Franco, Nolan Ryan, they're

1741
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 2: all still that guy.

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01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 5: Fantastic stories when I was a bad boy for the

1743
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 5: Indians and Julio Franco and.

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01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 2: Then that badding stance. You're not not living with that

1745
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 2: badding stand.

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01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 5: I'm ten and he's like, hey, we're having a big

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01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 5: party at my house in Westlake and my parents were like, no.

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01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 3: He's retired. Yeah, I guy. In my thinking of who's

1749
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,839
Speaker 3: on the Phillies, that's really good. Bryce Harper Bryce Harper.

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Speaker 2: YEA, yeah, yeah, no, he did not ever play for

1751
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 2: the Range. She was good for MVP of the league,

1752
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 2: but he had all the substance abuse stuff and be

1753
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 2: back with the Reds. Was drafted originally by the Rays

1754
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 2: and then ended up in the Rangers and played really well,

1755
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 2: and I think he ended back up into some trouble.

1756
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 4: But there's a guy who's good on the Reds, young

1757
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 4: guy there is. I know that Cruz forty four forty

1758
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 4: four Eric the red same number. Not that was very

1759
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 4: much an intentional play for for Ellie day La Cruz,

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01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 4: We'll get you a score. We got a Monday night

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01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 4: or tonight as well. That's coming up next. Clear The

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Speaker 4: Brouns Daily, eight fifty.

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Speaker 1: ESPN, Cleveland, Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to you by Balley

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Speaker 1: bet Now Live in Ohio on eight fifty ESPN, Cleveland.

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01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 2: All right, Josh with this. Josh Hamilton had such an

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01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 2: issue that Red's had a full time employee just to

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01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 2: follow him around twenty four to seven. Unfortunately, he slipped

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01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 2: up in Texas in quite the incident, that's.

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Speaker 3: Right, I remember that.

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01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 2: But he was an MVP I think at one time

1771
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 2: in Texas too, so he did that as well, the TBS.

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01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 2: So in the stadium, they don't play wild thing for

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01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 2: Class A. Is that correct?

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01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 5: That is correct?

1775
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 2: But TBS did, yes, Yes, so I thought that that

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01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 2: We're just sweet like I thought they were just doing that.

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01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's unbelievable. Yeah, it feels like it feels

1778
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 3: like a win. That's awesome, Like do that always. He's

1779
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 3: got a fireman by Lil Wayne playing in the back.

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01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not.

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01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 3: And he looks he's everything. I like everything about him.

1782
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 3: Lots to like the whole operation, lots to like like

1783
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 3: the like lightning tattoo coming up at the neck. Yeah,

1784
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 3: pretty strong.

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01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 2: So much of that is critical when you're when you're

1786
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 2: close closer. Yeah, it's the aura.

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01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 19: All right.

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01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 5: We gotta score a East SABA.

1789
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 3: But the Jets are in gorgeous or hot got We're back.

1790
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 5: By the Jets with a new head coach. Uh. Their

1791
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 5: GM is under center tonight. We'll see what happens there.

1792
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:40,440
Speaker 5: It is the New York Football Jets hosting the Buffalo

1793
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 5: Bills for first place in the ANFC East. Nathaniel, I'm

1794
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 5: at the Jets first.

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01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 2: The Jets look great in these uniforms, so they are

1796
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 2: a combination of the nameath uniforms with the Kelly green

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01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 2: ones there that color green with the name of unit

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01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 2: forms and they have some of the striping from the

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01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 2: two thousand fif's beautiful, absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Both teams have washed two in a row.

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Speaker 2: Nobody Higgins like the Buffalo Bills, they are not losing

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01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 2: three in a row.

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01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 3: They are winning. To this chump team, they are winning

1804
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 3: new coach Bump though, new coach Bump.

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01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think Cook give me Josh Allen.

1806
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 3: Why is the line? What the line is?

1807
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 2: The line actually went down? Why it was three Friday

1808
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 2: and out's one.

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01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 3: I'm with you, though I think they're the better team.

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01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 4: I do think there's I'm gonna My initial pull was

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01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 4: the other way because.

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01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 2: Of the opposite coach remember last year, to.

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01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 4: Do everything that he can do because he wants to

1814
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 4: make his his firing look good.

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01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 5: Rogers tore the Achilles. The GM was out and they

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01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 5: came back and still won.

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01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 4: Open and outrage is great though, like Rogers, yeah, full outrage.

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01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 3: Did you even think that I would do?

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01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 2: How would you think? There's no evidence of it? Go

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01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 2: guards as well. Catch the game tonight on eight fifty

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01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: esp and Cleveland Gards, And yet I still.

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Speaker 4: Haven't heard a good explanation for why he was allowed

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01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 4: in the building to have a meeting at which he

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01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 4: demoted Rogers's friend, and then five minutes later was fired.

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01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 4: If you're firing him and being escorted ot security, he's

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01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 4: not allowing the building.

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Speaker 3: To begin with. That's it.

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Speaker 2: Next level is next, We're back tomorrow. Cleveland Browns Daily.

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Speaker 1: Level, you've been listening to Cleveland Browns Daily, a production

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