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Speaker 2: O Joe, Let's get off. Oh not kind of the
Speaker 2: way I wanted to start it, but here we go.
Speaker 2: Six six massage therapists have a q's Ravens kicker Justin
Speaker 2: Tucker of inappropriate behavior doing massage sessions. In the article
Speaker 2: published by the battle More Banner, the incidents allegedly took
Speaker 2: places between twenty twelve twenty sixteen in the Baltimore area.
Speaker 2: Tucker has denied allegations, which spanned his first five seasons
Speaker 2: in the NFL. The league said today they're looking into
Speaker 2: the matter.
Speaker 5: Well listen, obviously when that many accusers come forward with
Speaker 5: and all of them have somewhat of the same story.
Speaker 5: Where there smoke this fire. Huh, where they're smoke this
Speaker 5: fire and one of the things that I don't like,
Speaker 5: and obviously they do it for their own reasons. But
Speaker 5: waiting so long, if the issues happened that long ago,
Speaker 5: I'm not sure why we waited this long for it
Speaker 5: to come out. I think maybe he probably knew it
Speaker 5: was the issues were going to a rise or come
Speaker 5: to a head, and maybe that's why his performance was
Speaker 5: was kind of lacking this year, especially from a performance
Speaker 5: standpoint in Justin Tucker. But I hope the NFL does
Speaker 5: to do justice and finding what Justin Tucker did wrong
Speaker 5: and whatever it may be, and hopefully these young ladies
Speaker 5: can find some sort of peace and and enclosure in
Speaker 5: uh in in this situation and it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh look, I'm gonna be.
Speaker 3: Like I was when the IF guys.
Speaker 2: You guys remember when I was on Undisputed and we
Speaker 2: talked about this about the Deshaun Watson. Sometimes the mere
Speaker 2: mention of impropriety is enough to dissway public.
Speaker 3: Opinion of said individual one.
Speaker 2: But there the gravity I think is what five or
Speaker 2: six of these women I'm assuming they're women, Uh, that's
Speaker 2: making these allegations.
Speaker 3: And at this point in time, that's all there are.
Speaker 2: Allegations, aren't facts, but there are allegations. They have been
Speaker 2: alleged that there he's been inappropriate at some point in time.
Speaker 3: I rather reading something.
Speaker 2: Maybe he rubs his genitalia, maybe there's some inappropriate touching. Also,
Speaker 2: I think the report said that he had been banned
Speaker 2: from several massage therapists or they chose not to.
Speaker 3: Work with him anymore.
Speaker 2: As you mentioned earlier, is that one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: five in their allegings, very similar allegations. And that's where
Speaker 2: the seemingly the NFL is gonna have to do their
Speaker 2: due diligence and to make sure they do a thorough
Speaker 2: sweep of this. For me, I think it's only fair
Speaker 2: that Justin Tuer Tucker at this point in time, deserves
Speaker 2: his innocence.
Speaker 3: He deserves to be heard.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna be civilly, I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's to be criminally, but I think he
Speaker 2: deserves whatever whatever court decides to hear this out right now,
Speaker 2: these are just allegations, O Joe. None of these women
Speaker 2: have said, Okay, we're gonna follow a civil civil case,
Speaker 2: or or the investigation has led to anything criminal, so
Speaker 2: we let's let's let's just let it play out. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the NFL is gonna have to do their due diligence
Speaker 2: and to make sure everything.
Speaker 3: It's not a good look. This is not something the
Speaker 3: NFL takes very kindly to.
Speaker 2: Obviously, we as a society need to do a better
Speaker 2: job of holding people accountable when things like this if
Speaker 2: they's to be proven. But I think Justin Tucker deserves
Speaker 2: to have his day in court, be at civil court
Speaker 2: or criminal court. I'm not willing to go and says, oh,
Speaker 2: yes it's fat, but it doesn't look good. It's not
Speaker 2: a good look anytime someone alleges something like this. But
Speaker 2: I do believe Justin Tucker deserves to have a level
Speaker 2: of innocence until it's proven the other way.
Speaker 3: What is criminal or civil?
Speaker 2: It's justoe when there's so many, When it's so many,
Speaker 2: now it could be all of it. Maybe they because
Speaker 2: a lot of time, you know, Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 2: but this is what.
Speaker 3: I do know.
Speaker 2: Four or five women have alleged that Justin Tucker at
Speaker 2: some point in time between the year the twenty twelve
Speaker 2: and twenty sixteen was inappropriate. That's what we know. Anything
Speaker 2: after that is speculation at this point.
Speaker 5: Right, that's a pattern too, if you think about it,
Speaker 5: you know, now, when you have a problem, it is
Speaker 5: an issue with one person, that one thing. Now their
Speaker 5: person deserves there in their their their their true innocence
Speaker 5: into im proven guilty. Now, if you have a pattern
Speaker 5: of you and they're all coming from from different people,
Speaker 5: now that's it. Now, that's different. That's different. Everybody. Everybody
Speaker 5: can't be lying. Everybody can't be lying. So there there's
Speaker 5: there's an issue. There lies there despite you saying, you know,
Speaker 5: he needs to have his innocence until facts are proven.
Speaker 5: But if it's happening multiple times and multiple people all
Speaker 5: have the same story, everybody can't be lying. Everybody can't
Speaker 5: be in conhusive at the same time.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I I just like I wanted to
Speaker 2: play out whatever whatever transpires. Give him his day in court,
Speaker 2: be it civil or criminal. Let an investigation take place.
Speaker 2: I say, now that it's out, who knows that there
Speaker 2: was an investigation that was taking place, Like you said,
Speaker 2: maybe that has something to do with the the the
Speaker 2: miscues that he had this year.
Speaker 3: Maybe this has been brewing.
Speaker 2: Maybe of the investigation, they had talked to him at
Speaker 2: some point in time. I think justin Tucker is married
Speaker 2: now has a kid. I'm not I don't feel very comfortable.
Speaker 2: Know it's saying for certain until that's the case, but
Speaker 2: I think this is what said. Several therapists said Tucker's
Speaker 2: behavior was so egregious that they ended his sessions early
Speaker 2: or refused to work with him again, and at two spots,
Speaker 2: management said they banned him from returning after receiving a
Speaker 2: tip on January, the night The Banner began investigating and
Speaker 2: spoke to six massage therapists who recounted troubling first hand
Speaker 2: experience with Tucker from twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. The
Speaker 2: women said they had waited and wanted to tell. The
Speaker 2: women said they had waited long waited to tell their stories,
Speaker 2: and to your point, a lot of times when you
Speaker 2: have a behavior or a pattern of behavior, and we
Speaker 2: see this a lot of times. We saw what happened
Speaker 2: with the Weinstein case, saved like and a lot of
Speaker 2: times don't too. What happens is that with one woman,
Speaker 2: it gives other women courage to come forward because sometimes
Speaker 2: it's like they don't want to feel alone. They don't
Speaker 2: feel because everybody gonna say this a YadA, YadA YadA,
Speaker 2: but now you have one, or you have two, you
Speaker 2: have ten, you have fifteen, you have twenty. A lot
Speaker 2: of times people get courage in a group. They don't
Speaker 2: want to be isolated, they don't want to stand alone.
Speaker 2: And so obviously the newspaper, the Baltimore Banner, said they
Speaker 2: had been working on this story. They received the tip
Speaker 2: they had been working on this story, and they reached
Speaker 2: out and the women started recounting what had happened.
Speaker 3: Going by what the report says, we don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just not so don't say what Shanna said is no,
Speaker 2: Shannon is commenting on what is being reported that they
Speaker 2: did their investigation. They received the tip that at some
Speaker 2: point in time, Justin Tucker between the years twenty twelve
Speaker 2: and twenty sixteen had been inappropriate, and I guess they
Speaker 2: reached out to those facilities where he attended, and some
Speaker 2: of the women recounted the internaction, A very uncomfortable interaction
Speaker 2: with Justin Tucker.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's what we know at this point in time, Ojoe.
Speaker 2: Does it look good on the surface, No, But I think, man,
Speaker 2: this is such a you know, when you're dealing with
Speaker 2: sexual assault, that's a that's a that's a very very
Speaker 2: very very very serious allegation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you said, is just not one.
Speaker 2: It's multiple women recounting an interaction, a very uncomfortable, a
Speaker 2: very inappropriate interaction with with Justin Tucker. So I think
Speaker 2: the thing now, O Joe, is Okay, NFL are the
Speaker 2: Baltimore is law enforcement involved? Now the NFL says, okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do I do diligence. What does the Baltimore
Speaker 2: Ravens do moving forward? So there's a there's a lot
Speaker 2: of moving part at play here. The thing that we
Speaker 2: know Justin Tucker, the all world kicker for the Baltimore Ravens,
Speaker 2: is being alleged that he, at some point in time
Speaker 2: in a four or five year span, was inappropriate doing
Speaker 2: a massage doing a massage sections on multiple occasions. What's
Speaker 2: being reported at two spas, management said they banned him
Speaker 2: from returning. Several therapists said that Tucker's behavior was so
Speaker 2: egregious that they ended his sessions early or refused to
Speaker 2: work with him again.
Speaker 3: That's what's being reported.
Speaker 2: That's not Uncan o'choe making these allegations up, Uncle o'joe
Speaker 2: responding to what's being alleged against Justin Tucker. So it's
Speaker 2: tough situational shoe. At some point in time, I'm sure
Speaker 2: we're gonna get more information. You will now have a
Speaker 2: better opportunity to expand or like, hey, this was this
Speaker 2: was all to do about nothing? Or man, this is
Speaker 2: this is this doesn't look good, But I thought, I
Speaker 2: think it's only fair if I'm with fair. Oh Joe,
Speaker 2: you and I we talked about it, just like when
Speaker 2: you came when you and I came on a lot
Speaker 2: of the Deshaun stuff had already died out, it had happened,
Speaker 2: he had moved to Cleveland, X Y and Z. But
Speaker 2: I think it's only fair that we give this the coverage.
Speaker 2: Had you and I been on the air, you and
Speaker 2: I would have had an obligation because we do talk sports.
Speaker 2: We do football is kind of what our bread and butter.
Speaker 2: I think we had an obligation to say something, not
Speaker 2: no guilt, no innocence, not this or matter of fact
Speaker 2: all X Y and Z, but to have some conversation
Speaker 2: on a surface level, and then once more information comes out,
Speaker 2: we can do a deeper, deeper dive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, just just from what you read. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, you know what the play is. I'm i'm'mna
Speaker 5: leave it. I'm gonna leave it at that.
Speaker 3: You know, all right, Well, we're gonna leave it at that.
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy tenure with the Dallas Cowboys came to an
Speaker 2: end in part because he couldn't agree to terms of
Speaker 2: the new contract, But it hadn't been clear until now
Speaker 2: exactly what the difference was between the two sides. Per
Speaker 2: ESPN's Todd Archer, Jerry Jones didn't waiver on the offer
Speaker 2: over three years, while McCarthy was seeking a five year deal.
Speaker 2: Jerry's actions and some of his comments seem to suggest
Speaker 2: he's not interested in playing the top tier market money
Speaker 2: or head coach. He didn't make things any better by
Speaker 2: saying than Brian Schottenheimer introductory press conference as the new
Speaker 2: Cowboys head coach that was with a bigger risk as
Speaker 2: you can take. Schottenheimer was able to negotiate a four
Speaker 2: year deal from Jones to get the job. But the
Speaker 2: question is, though Joe Harry is the question? Years for me?
Speaker 2: Is unimportant?
Speaker 3: Money? What matter? Right?
Speaker 2: Okay, Mike McCarthy wanted a five year deal. Jerry wanted
Speaker 2: to give him a three year deal.
Speaker 3: But in the process of the three year deal, how
Speaker 3: much is the money worth.
Speaker 2: If I get a five Oh, Joe, if you say
Speaker 2: with shall I'll give you a five year deal, but
Speaker 2: I'm only gonna give you three and a half million a.
Speaker 3: Deal, or or.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a three year deal till considering Mike
Speaker 2: McCarthy's gonna want somewhere between seven and ten million dollars.
Speaker 2: Jerry dot want to go there, so he split the
Speaker 2: difference with Brian Schottenheimer. But even in the four year deal,
Speaker 2: he probably paid less that what he's gonna give Mike
Speaker 2: McCarthy a three year deal because, like he said, there's
Speaker 2: risk involved. Anytime there's risk in Bob oh Joe, what
Speaker 2: I got to mitigate some of that risk.
Speaker 5: Financially obviously, I don't think you want to mitigate the
Speaker 5: risk with the person being the leader of men, not
Speaker 5: the head coach. That's who you want to mitigate the risk.
Speaker 5: If you want to mitigate the risk, you're doing the
Speaker 5: other positions. You're to mitigated the ship when Derrick Henry
Speaker 5: should have been there in the first place. The risk
Speaker 5: you need to take you not taking, and the risk
Speaker 5: you need to take you're not taking either, especially with
Speaker 5: the head.
Speaker 3: With the head coach, yes, the officer.
Speaker 5: What you're telling me is you don't believe in me
Speaker 5: anytime you don't want to player. Anytime you don't want
Speaker 5: to pay a player. What is that telling that player?
Speaker 5: You know we don't see value in you. Okay, you
Speaker 5: don't want to pay Mike McCarthy. What do you telling
Speaker 5: Michael McCarthy he wants a five year deal? You say no, no,
Speaker 5: you want he wants a five year deal? You say
Speaker 5: a three year deal? So you want to underbind a man,
Speaker 5: basically letting him know you feel the same way other
Speaker 5: owners feel about certain players that they don't see value
Speaker 5: or feel that they can get the job done. Because
Speaker 5: if you feel, Mike McCarthy get the job done, you
Speaker 5: want to what three four five, It don't matter what
Speaker 5: you want here, matter of fact, we're gonna give you
Speaker 5: a blank check. Do what you need to do. That's
Speaker 5: basically letting me know. Jerry doesn't even feel confident enough
Speaker 5: about his team regards to who he brings in there.
Speaker 5: I ain't paying him anyway because I don't think we
Speaker 5: have a team act but enough to compete at the level.
Speaker 2: Why I need to be paying to be paying the
Speaker 2: coach top dollar? Well, he doesn't feel he needs to
Speaker 2: pay top dollar. Why because he has a He's the cowboy.
Speaker 2: It's the Cowboys. But that's another problems, that's always been
Speaker 2: the problem. If you go back and study it, Oh Joe,
Speaker 2: everybody is saying, and Jerry is said, he doesn't feel
Speaker 2: if it should be you should be. You should give
Speaker 2: him a discount, just like he believes all the players
Speaker 2: should give him a discount. Why because that's the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: That's how he feels He's made that abundantly clear.
Speaker 5: It's not working out. You can and you can't live
Speaker 5: on the past. Huh. I mean, Jerry Jones is basically
Speaker 5: our Bundy. Jerry Jones is basically our Bundy Hulk high School.
Speaker 5: I've scored three testdowns in one game. That's all it is.
Speaker 5: You won super Bowls back in the nineties. It's twenty
Speaker 5: twenty five. We're still living off what you did all
Speaker 5: the way back in all the way back then. Jerry
Speaker 5: Jones is basically our Bundy all over again. In reality,
Speaker 5: I feel sorry for the fans. I feel sorry for
Speaker 5: the players. It's not fair.
Speaker 2: Change comes about two different ways. Someone wants to change
Speaker 2: or someone is forced to change.
Speaker 5: Well, you're not forcing him. That ain't happening. You're not
Speaker 5: forcing to hold do nothing that ain't happening. Oh Joe,
Speaker 5: why would I change anything.
Speaker 2: I'm still of the most comfitable franchise in the NFL.
Speaker 5: You want to win, You want to win?
Speaker 3: What do I what if I get? If I win?
Speaker 3: Am I gonna get more?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 3: I'm making three hundred million. Now you tell me if
Speaker 3: I win, I'm gonna win. For get four hundred million.
Speaker 5: Absolutely everything increased. If your brand is already what your
Speaker 5: brand is and you're not winning, imagine what happens if
Speaker 5: you do win?
Speaker 3: The mess your question, are the Chiefs? Are the Chiefs
Speaker 3: winning getting four hundred million for winning? No? So Jerry
Speaker 3: doesn't see jeredy.
Speaker 5: Doesn't he even with the winning, even with the winning, though,
Speaker 5: even with the winning, the Chiefs brand will never be
Speaker 5: anything like the Cowboys historically never never.
Speaker 1: Cowboys.
Speaker 3: I guess who else knows that? Jerry?
Speaker 2: So he said, even if I don't win, my brand
Speaker 2: still is gonna be ten times bigger than y'alls.
Speaker 5: I see what you mean. I say that to me,
Speaker 5: But I'm looking I'm looking at it from a different,
Speaker 5: different perspective. If I if I'm Jerry Jones, this, I'm
Speaker 5: till by me now, hell you let me let me
Speaker 5: own the god damn Dallas Cowboys. I'm gonna be operating
Speaker 5: and copying everything I see. Jeffrey Leary do everything I see,
Speaker 5: Howie Roseman do. I'm paying attention. This is a copycat
Speaker 5: league when it comes to head coaches taking place from
Speaker 5: other teams. When when they get ready to play a
Speaker 5: team and they see things that worked on them, Okay,
Speaker 5: seeing how I see how Harry Roseman does this. Okay,
Speaker 5: I see how he gets these acquisitions. I see how
Speaker 5: he drafts. So I'm a copycat that and put together,
Speaker 5: put together my own team, getting the right pieces, understanding
Speaker 5: what I need, what works for what. Okay, this fits here, Okay,
Speaker 5: that fits here. But well, why not do that instead
Speaker 5: of worrying about a branding just because your brand is strong,
Speaker 5: historically strong and will always be strong, how about be
Speaker 5: the businessman that you are and find ways until you're
Speaker 5: making more money, even more than you're making now.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, oh Joe, if I pay top dollar,
Speaker 2: that comes out of because what I want to do
Speaker 2: as I want to get increased costs. In any business,
Speaker 2: the objective is to decrease costs and increase profitability.
Speaker 3: That's that's it. I want to spend less while making more.
Speaker 5: That doesn't work in football. Huh, that doesn't work in football.
Speaker 3: You think about winning.
Speaker 5: It happens every so often in baseball, you know that, right, Yes,
Speaker 5: every so often for some reason, the team that has.
Speaker 2: You get the Cassas City Royals to get it, or
Speaker 2: you'll get a team like the Marlins back then in
Speaker 2: ninety seven and in two thousand, I think in two
Speaker 2: thousand and two thousand and three. Also, so you'll get
Speaker 2: a to Ojoe, you go get a team like you said,
Speaker 2: the aide going to the playoffs where they've been very little.
Speaker 2: But in business, costs, profit margins, right, I need I
Speaker 2: need costs to be here. I need profit to be
Speaker 2: up there. Oh Joe, if I'm paying ten fifteen million
Speaker 2: dollars for a head coach, then I got to have
Speaker 2: all these other coaches. Remember it's reported that Jerry wanted
Speaker 2: to cut some of the coaching staff because I want
Speaker 2: profit margins to be high. That's how businesses operate, Jerry,
Speaker 2: And you would think, man, but here's the thing you
Speaker 2: want to Like, I want to be in a situation
Speaker 2: where I can win a championship. Jerry has foregone back.
Speaker 2: Jerry does not want to win a championship.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 2: Let me take that back. Jerry wants to win, but
Speaker 2: I want to win my weight. See, I would rather
Speaker 2: lose my weight than win somebody else's right, you see, yo, Joe.
Speaker 3: So that's what Jerry is with his thinking.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, Joe, understand, why pay a coach ten million,
Speaker 2: fifteen million when I can pay one five million, because
Speaker 2: I know there's only one of thirty two. He's very
Speaker 2: fortunate to have this opportunity. I'm gonna make three hundred million.
Speaker 2: Whether I got a five million dollar coach or I
Speaker 2: got a twenty million dollar coach, that does not change.
Speaker 5: Jerry Jones is operating with outdated software in a new
Speaker 5: era and a new age. Yes, everybody else, everybody else
Speaker 5: on iPhones and Jerry using the Beeper, Yeah, everybody else
Speaker 5: using the Android. Then if all the other owners using
Speaker 5: the Android, you mean the iPhone. I'm just saying I'm
Speaker 5: an Android iPhone. I was using using another analogy, Okay,
Speaker 5: Jerry using the Sidekick, Yeah, outdated. Everything he's doing is outdated. Yes,
Speaker 5: and the results are showing up year in the year out.
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, the results have been the same for
Speaker 5: the past what seven years.
Speaker 2: Oh, look at the business model with Chick fil Aid,
Speaker 2: Whether they're at a stadium, whether they're in an airport.
Speaker 2: What is the one thing that happens. They're closed on Sunday.
Speaker 2: They don't lose any more. Bid The people like, well,
Speaker 2: if y'all not gonna open on Sunday, I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: come on Saturday.
Speaker 5: Honestly, shouldn't nobody beating Chick fil a anyway.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that you're beating, but I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to give you the I'm just trying to give
Speaker 2: you an example. So Jerry is saying, ah, huh uh
Speaker 2: uh uh. Jerry wants to win his way. I would
Speaker 2: rather lose my way than win someone else's. Oh how
Speaker 2: many time we see that? Yeah, let's see that the relationship.
Speaker 2: You know what you need to do to save it,
Speaker 2: but to somebody else, somebody else recommended that. That's not
Speaker 2: my original idea. That's not my thought. So since I
Speaker 2: didn't come up with it, the hell with it. That's
Speaker 2: what Jerry is saying. Jared's felt this way. Everybody knows it.
Speaker 2: Jerry even knows it. That's why he fined Jimmy. He
Speaker 2: had somebody getting all this credit, Like he said, he
Speaker 2: bought this occupation. Can't tell me how to do. How
Speaker 2: you gonna pay all that money for a house and
Speaker 2: be oh shore, somebody tell you if you stack boxes
Speaker 2: up for your house?
Speaker 3: This my ish.
Speaker 2: How you gonna tell me? Come on, o, Joe, take
Speaker 2: the trash out, Come on, o yo. Don't wear your
Speaker 2: shoes in the house. Come on, old Joe, couldn't Dick
Speaker 2: get the dishes out of sing? Come on, oh Joe,
Speaker 2: now you know better? You mean like, who talk those hiss?
Speaker 2: Who's working all these jobs? Who's running from pillow the pole?
Speaker 5: Hell?
Speaker 2: You? And you think you're gonna tell me? So Jerry said,
Speaker 2: who bout this team? Who worked this best? That's how
Speaker 2: he thinks, And unfortunately he's not gonna win because of it,
Speaker 2: because he thinks he knows. See, Jerry doesn't see. Jerry
Speaker 2: is under the premise he's the smartest guy in the room,
Speaker 2: and nobody's gonna tell him if he if he's the
Speaker 2: smartest guy in the room, then he's the wrong room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the wrong room. I built the room though, O Joe,
Speaker 3: how build the room? Don't joke?
Speaker 5: That's a good one.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing you and I under there. I'm
Speaker 2: under the operation. I can go somewhere A I don't
Speaker 2: want to be the smartest guy. I need somebody to
Speaker 2: be able to protect my blind spots. I don't know
Speaker 2: how you operate a car with no mirrors. There's one
Speaker 2: rear view side. There's a reason they protect your blind
Speaker 2: spots because if you have to do this all the time.
Speaker 2: You might slam in the back of somebody, but if
Speaker 2: you look at it, take a click, clip, a quick glance,
Speaker 2: or you look at the side. Damn, somebody cluck. Can't
Speaker 2: get over there right now because now they got the
Speaker 2: sensor you see in your mirror. Oh, can't do that.
Speaker 2: Somebody's right there. But that's not how Jerry operates. Jerry's
Speaker 2: had monetary success. When Ry purchased the team, Oh Joe,
Speaker 2: he wasn't a billionaire. Now now he's many many times
Speaker 2: over that. Man, Oh man, it's hard to tell somebody
Speaker 2: something different when they've had success doing it that way.
Speaker 3: Right, How you tell somebody?
Speaker 2: How you tell somebody girl you need to start a
Speaker 2: young lady making three hundred thousand a year they had
Speaker 2: exotic dancer, or somebody making two three million dollars a
Speaker 2: year only fans.
Speaker 3: How you get them to stop? O your.
Speaker 5: Rug?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, that life good. That's exactly right. So
Speaker 2: you have a problem with him not pay or him
Speaker 2: trying to always undermine his coaches. What's your what's OHO's
Speaker 2: biggest issue with Jerry Jones?
Speaker 5: But just undermining undermining obviously, listen, when it's time to
Speaker 5: play when it's time to play the players. You already
Speaker 5: played the players late. You play them late. They missed
Speaker 5: training camp, they missed mini camp. They always come in
Speaker 5: two weeks before the season getting ready to start. You know,
Speaker 5: fortunate enough, Sea Lamb didn't get hurt until later on
Speaker 5: in the season when it was time for that to
Speaker 5: get paid. You waited for Dak when it's time for
Speaker 5: Ezekiel Elliott to get paid. He and Cabo working on
Speaker 5: in Cabo in the goddamn saying, instead of being in
Speaker 5: training camp getting ready for the season with his teammates.
Speaker 5: Everything is always long and drawn out to keep the
Speaker 5: attention focused on the Cowboys. If you're serious about winning,
Speaker 5: if you're serious about competing, especially for a Lombardi Trophy,
Speaker 5: which you haven't shown in what thirty something years, would
Speaker 5: have a long it's been, you know, And why do
Speaker 5: you think Michael Parsons came out and said what he
Speaker 5: said in the middle of the season, or maybe sometime
Speaker 5: towards the end of the season. Let's get us, let's
Speaker 5: get something to the to the fact that getting paid early,
Speaker 5: so I get this, Let's get it done so I
Speaker 5: could be at everything. You know, that's that's letting you know,
Speaker 5: the players shouldn't have to say that. The players shouldn't
Speaker 5: have to be one saying that you should be the
Speaker 5: one to take owners and want to have everybody and
Speaker 5: if you're serious about competing or trying to win or
Speaker 5: changing and making sure this season coming up that looked
Speaker 5: like last season. I mean that that that's all. And
Speaker 5: then you know, undermining the coaches, and it's it's, it's,
Speaker 5: it's it's ridiculous. I want him to run the business.
Speaker 5: I wanted to make his money. But the Cowboys fans,
Speaker 5: they deserve it. The players deserve it for him to
Speaker 5: run it like the Hunts, for him to run that show,
Speaker 5: like the Rooneys, for him to run that show. Like,
Speaker 5: but who owns the Hunts, the Rooney's, the Chiefs, Steelers?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, hold on, hold on, Like how we Jeffrey Lower,
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Lorie owns the Eagles?
Speaker 3: But Howie Rose, Oh Joe? Do people realize do you.
Speaker 5: See how they run that that ship over that man?
Speaker 5: Think about three years? How many times jen Jenen two times?
Speaker 5: They've been to football twice in three years. Twice in
Speaker 5: three years, uh twice in three years. Look at how
Speaker 5: they navigate and operate everything, getting the players they need understanding.
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, the team is young. Yeah, the team
Speaker 5: was all the first time he went to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 5: it looked like almost everybody's gone. Almost everybody's gone. The
Speaker 5: defense is completely revamped, and they right back again. They
Speaker 5: right back again.
Speaker 1: For a reason, Yep says, it starts at the top
Speaker 1: and it trickles on down. It starts with Jerry Jelli.
Speaker 1: The way he operates, it's gonna always be the same.
Speaker 2: But Jerry can't admit he would when he's wrong. You see, Joe,
Speaker 2: You remember when Chip Kelly came, Jeffrey Lourie demoted Howie
Speaker 2: Roseman turned everything over the Chip. A couple of years,
Speaker 2: he gets rid of Chip. Bring Howie's bring Howie Roseman back.
Speaker 2: Admitted he made a mistake. Yeah, now look at it.
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Nikobe Dean uh will uh uh
Speaker 2: uh uh the the defensive end from Georgia sa Kwan
Speaker 2: drafting uh. Jalen hurts when you just gave all that
Speaker 2: money to Carson Wentz, Davonta Smith, A J. Brown re
Speaker 2: signed Lane Johnson, Landon Dixon. Myle Lotta, that's not an accident,
Speaker 2: Oh Joe. Then let they let Gardner Johnson go, They
Speaker 2: bring him back to Cooper, to John Mitchell, blanket ship.
Speaker 2: That's not an accident, Jered it. Never admit he's wrong.
Speaker 2: He'll never admit that he was wrong in firing Jimmy Never.
Speaker 2: But it is what it is now. Bill's general manager
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean says he still believes Josh Allen converted on
Speaker 2: fourth down and nothing has changed his mind even after
Speaker 2: speaking with the league.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to the sound. It's frustrating.
Speaker 6: You know, there's only so much I can say, you know,
Speaker 6: I don't you know. We work with the league to
Speaker 6: try to get clarity, and and I'll give them credit,
Speaker 6: they've they've taken our calls, They've sent video and things
Speaker 6: like that. I just, you know, I wish, you know,
Speaker 6: if you're talking about like the fourth down play that was,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm I.
Speaker 3: Feel like he you know, he got that. And I
Speaker 3: still feel like he got that.
Speaker 6: I felt that in the moment, and I know nothing
Speaker 6: has changed my mind on that.
Speaker 3: Oh Joe, Yes, sir, will this be the play?
Speaker 2: At some point in time, the Bill's going to have
Speaker 2: to move on, just like they moved on from wide
Speaker 2: right and buffet and that first Super Bowl. At some point,
Speaker 2: there's nothing that he can do. They didn't feel he
Speaker 2: got it. Now everybody want to come out of all
Speaker 2: this technology and all of this Look, they keep making
Speaker 2: rules for the Bills. I remember when Patrick Mahomes did
Speaker 2: not touch the foot fall in overtime.
Speaker 3: They didn't change the rules. Mm hm, it happens.
Speaker 2: What about change the plate, Hey, Josh, instead of going left,
Speaker 2: go right, instead of trying to Josh, do this eight
Speaker 2: hand them all up to the running back. Can you
Speaker 2: do something other than the same play six times? Okay,
Speaker 2: my bad? Four times?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Remember you got stuffed on the gold line. Remember they
Speaker 3: tried it on the gold line? You got stopped.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know it's funny the Bills. I might be
Speaker 5: a little off on the stat Josh Allen. I think
Speaker 5: he ran it quarterback sneak during the regular season. If
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken, he might have been and the totality
Speaker 5: for the whole season. I could be wrong. Chat stay
Speaker 5: with me and someone could correct me in the chat.
Speaker 5: I think they they got all of them, Josh Allen
Speaker 5: quarterback runs, scripted runs and got a first down except two.
Speaker 3: They only even stopped two times, and was championship game.
Speaker 5: That's the two times of all times when you get stopped,
Speaker 5: the only team to stop him twice after having so
Speaker 5: much success about the entire end of the season, nobody
Speaker 5: was able to stop you. The two times you get
Speaker 5: stopped is goddamn Kansas City Chiefs and the most important
Speaker 5: goddamn game.
Speaker 3: Mhm.
Speaker 5: And he would have had the first down if the
Speaker 5: ball wasn't at his chest, Yes, at his chest, because
Speaker 5: if he extended it, oh that, but he knocking that
Speaker 5: ball out for sure. He couldn't extend it because he's
Speaker 5: in the trenches. You wasn't. You weren't past a stick.
Speaker 5: He wasn't past a stick. They showed every angle they
Speaker 5: could possibly see. They did every angle. He wasn't past it,
Speaker 5: but he couldn't. If he was able to extend the ball,
Speaker 5: he would have had it. But he couldn't because you know,
Speaker 5: if he put it out, that ball was coming out
Speaker 5: absolutely about all them damn lines right there and here.
Speaker 2: And the call on the field, the official, the mark
Speaker 2: that they went with.
Speaker 3: He marked him short.
Speaker 2: Now had he given him the first down, there was
Speaker 2: nothing to indicate he didn't have it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. More time than not, they go
Speaker 2: with it unless it's egregious. People like well, the gall
Speaker 2: on the far side, the guy really all those bodies,
Speaker 2: he can't see what that ball is.
Speaker 3: The guy that is right here on the side. Joe,
Speaker 3: Oh Joe, he luck it right, gonna ladah luck it? Yeah,
Speaker 3: look at you like this right down the barrel.
Speaker 5: You know, you know what, I can say that, and
Speaker 5: and I want to I'm thinking about this. I think
Speaker 5: about the nineties, right m Think about George Uh, think
Speaker 5: about the Bulls, You think about the Celtics, think about
Speaker 5: the Lakers. Think about the run of New York Yankees had.
Speaker 5: You think about the run Tom Brady and Bill Belichick
Speaker 5: had in that AFC. Right now, the Chiefs are going
Speaker 5: to always being contingent. But at what point were Lamar,
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow or Josh Allen had their Roethlisberger moment or
Speaker 5: their Joe Flacco moment. You get where I'm going with this. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because it was it was always dominated by Brady. Yes,
Speaker 5: but then those years, oh shit, Flocko finally got one,
Speaker 5: Oh shit, Ben Rothlisberger finally got one. At some point
Speaker 5: in the next decade. Josh Sallen's gonna win a super
Speaker 5: Bowl at some point. Joe Burrow's gonna win a super
Speaker 5: Bowl at some point. I don't know when. When you slay,
Speaker 5: when you slay the beast, that is the Kansas City
Speaker 5: chiefs Lamar Jackson will get a super Bowl. And just
Speaker 5: at what, at what point in what year will have happened?
Speaker 5: Because the chiefs Andy Reid and Patch Mahomes ain't going nowhere,
Speaker 5: And just at what time are they going to have
Speaker 5: that Ben Broethlisberger or that Joe flacko moment where this
Speaker 5: is their year?
Speaker 3: But if you go back and look at that, somebody
Speaker 3: knocked Tom off, only Joe Flack obeating when Tom lost,
Speaker 3: that Hate Manning beating when Ben Roethlisberger won him, Joe,
Speaker 3: Jake Plumber, not that big band.
Speaker 5: So who's up who?
Speaker 2: Now? We saw Joe do it one time, we saw
Speaker 2: Tom do it, and we saw Joe do it normally.
Speaker 2: What's gonna what happens? More time than not? They went
Speaker 2: to If I'm not mistaken, the Patriots went to thirteen
Speaker 2: AFC title games.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: They lost four. Baltimore beat him once, Denver beat him twice,
Speaker 2: and to beat him once. So Peyton beat him three times,
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco beat him once. The other nine times they
Speaker 2: didn't get him. Yeah, so somebody, somebody had to knock
Speaker 2: him off in order for you to get for you
Speaker 2: to get there, somebody had so all that stuff to
Speaker 2: beat the man. You gotta beat the man. Now, I
Speaker 2: beat the man. To beat the man. If I need
Speaker 2: you to help that, there's go ahead. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: an interesting decade.
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes is only twenty eight, twenty nine, I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 5: twenty nine. He's going to play the decade. Yes, Lamar
Speaker 5: will be there, Josh Allen will be there, Joe Burrow
Speaker 5: will be there. At some point, somebody can have to
Speaker 5: slay the dragon. The NFC, the NFC a A. The
Speaker 5: NFC is not quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean it's some good quarterbacks, but they
Speaker 2: they ain't got no Mahomes.
Speaker 5: You know, they don't have a four headed munster like
Speaker 5: the goddamn AFC.
Speaker 3: No, for sure, absolutely not.
Speaker 5: They have. They have good quarterbacks. Now, I'm not saying
Speaker 5: they don't have quarterbacks. I'm saying they don't have the
Speaker 5: four headed muscles like they do in the AFC. I
Speaker 5: don't know. I'm it's gonna be an interesting, interesting decade.
Speaker 5: But they're gonna get there. Josh Allen's gonna get one.
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson is gonna get one. Joe Burrow is gonna
Speaker 5: get one. It's just all about when. I don't know when,
Speaker 5: because Mahomes and Andy Reeden ain't going nowhere. What happens
Speaker 5: every year you got the draft, you got off off
Speaker 5: season acquisitions, every team continues to get better. Well, hell,
Speaker 5: the same thing happened with Bill and Tomas together. Every
Speaker 5: other team was also getting better. But as long as
Speaker 5: that goddamn centerpiece was always there in place good, that's
Speaker 5: the joker. Long as long as fifteen is there, they
Speaker 5: gonna be good.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's tough, man, because when you look at it, not
Speaker 2: a whole lot of not a whole lot of guys won.
Speaker 2: I mean Tom in the AFC. I mean you gotta
Speaker 2: think about how many Toms went. Tom was in the
Speaker 2: AFC for twenty years, thirteen times.
Speaker 3: He's in the AFC Championship Game thirteen.
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny again, And when we're talking about
Speaker 5: those numbers, people look at it and say, oh, it's
Speaker 5: Tom Brady or it's the Patriots. Oh that's normal. I
Speaker 5: don't think people understand how difficult that is. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: don't think they understand how difficult it is for them
Speaker 5: to dominate the AFC East continually, year in and year out,
Speaker 5: no matter what happened, no matter what happened, no matter
Speaker 5: what the Dolphins did, no matter what the Jets did,
Speaker 5: no matter what Buffalo did. They dominated the AFC East
Speaker 5: every gay damn year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But if you go back and look look at
Speaker 2: it for like, think about it, the Patriots all those
Speaker 2: years there was in the AFC Championship. Now they didn't win,
Speaker 2: They lost to Baltimore, they lost to the Broncos, and
Speaker 2: then they go and then they lose to the Broncos,
Speaker 2: and it's the Patriots and the Patriots, and.
Speaker 3: Then it's been the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so one of the either the Patriots for like
Speaker 2: maybe fifteen years, don't Joe, it's either been the Patriots
Speaker 2: or the Chiefs in the AFC Championship game. One of
Speaker 2: those t teams have been in the AFC Championship Game,
Speaker 2: right man, A, I know it seems like, hey, they
Speaker 2: gonna win one, ain't no gay. They said that same
Speaker 2: thing about Philip rivers he gonna get one, he gonna
Speaker 2: get one, he ain't get one.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: A lot of things, man, A lot of things gotta
Speaker 2: go right. It's a long season, long andjuries. You got
Speaker 2: to board the injuries. I mean, think about it. They
Speaker 2: just got Hollywood back. Examber Worthy stepped up when she
Speaker 2: Rice went out. They lose the checko. But Kareem Hunt
Speaker 2: started out in that system wasn't available.
Speaker 3: He comes in.
Speaker 2: Think about what they drafted left tackle. Both of them failed.
Speaker 2: They say, Joe, bro we know you all start, you
Speaker 2: know you're all pro left guard? Can you kick out
Speaker 2: the tackle? He goes to tackle. Boom solidifies it. A
Speaker 2: lot of things gotta go with. The defense has been
Speaker 2: solid all year, coming up with time to play, sacks,
Speaker 2: batted down balls, turnovers, and now you're getting the offense
Speaker 2: start to turn a little bit. Oh, Joe, do you
Speaker 2: realize Sunday was the first time the Chiefs scored thirty
Speaker 2: points some more?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they haven't been the offen de jugger out where
Speaker 5: used to seeing before. They're very much, very methodical. They
Speaker 5: are lawyer to sleep. What they do dunking or digging
Speaker 5: and dunking all the way down in the field. Ain't
Speaker 5: that many big plays happening like it was when the
Speaker 5: Tarif was there?
Speaker 3: Can you can you get done what you need to
Speaker 3: get done when you absolutely got to have it?
Speaker 6: Have it?
Speaker 3: They needed thirty, they needed thirty, They got it.
Speaker 2: Cause that's the market of I don't care how great
Speaker 2: your offense is, how great your defense is. If your
Speaker 2: defense is great, can you get off the field? Can
Speaker 2: you get a stop when you absolutely got to have it?
Speaker 2: If your office is what you believe it is. We
Speaker 2: scored thirty plus points, we led in third down conversion?
Speaker 3: Can you get in field goal range? Can you get
Speaker 3: a touchdown?
Speaker 2: Can you stay on the field when you absolutely have to,
Speaker 2: because if you can't, it doesn't matter what you finished
Speaker 2: in the regular season, because we throw all those stats
Speaker 2: out right now that you gotta have it. And for
Speaker 2: the most part, when the Chiefs need a play, go
Speaker 2: back and look at Patrick Mahomes when he needs a play,
Speaker 2: he needs the ball is in my hands and I
Speaker 2: need to go get a field goal to tie. I
Speaker 2: need a field goal to win it, or I need
Speaker 2: to touch down the tide, or I need to touch
Speaker 2: down to win it. Go check how many times and
Speaker 2: see he's fails, You're gonna be surprised.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, O Joe.
Speaker 2: Troy Aignan says, the NFL owes its fans who gamble
Speaker 2: on football to make sure the refs make the right company.
Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden, oh, the right calls. His
Speaker 2: money is on the table now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Troy wanted the ref to be perfect. So so now,
Speaker 2: O Joe, since he's away from the game, make the
Speaker 2: ref be Troy, were they perfect when you played? Mm hmm,
Speaker 2: bro Yo, need to stop. There's a lot of money
Speaker 2: that's changing hands with these calls. I think we owe
Speaker 2: it to the fans job that we get it right
Speaker 2: and think that we're at the point where sometimes we can.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna get every call right. You know what?
Speaker 5: I like that you just said there. Uh, technology is
Speaker 5: so advanced we shouldn't get no damn calls wrong?
Speaker 3: Yes, and so what about the holding? What about the
Speaker 3: holding calls? They don't got?
Speaker 5: They got they got two million god damn cameras in
Speaker 5: the stadium on game day, every angle you could think of,
Speaker 5: every anger you could think of.
Speaker 2: The games long enough for Joe. I don't want no
Speaker 2: for our game court you're gonna get so when you want,
Speaker 2: you want, you want to stop and make everything.
Speaker 3: How long you make the game is gonna last.
Speaker 2: You're right, But I'm just saying, think about think about
Speaker 2: when they go when they challenge something, O Joe. Think
Speaker 2: about when you challenge something, how long it take them
Speaker 2: they go to commercial. At least they don't get they
Speaker 2: don't get at least three of them free commercial off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and now you know, you know what we can
Speaker 5: do right, what we can put it. We can put
Speaker 5: a timer to shorten those goddamn calls, or put a
Speaker 5: time on the reft. You got this amount of time
Speaker 5: to go to review it and get back on the
Speaker 5: field to keep the game going, keep the momentum going.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 5: We just think, just thinking about it, we have I mean, dude,
Speaker 5: we are so far advanced from a from from a
Speaker 5: tech a technical lot, technical lot, Wait a minute, technological standpoint,
Speaker 5: technical standpoint. There should there should be no no call
Speaker 5: should be wrong now obviously from the naked eye at
Speaker 5: fast speed or fast tempo, sometimes the rest can get
Speaker 5: it wrong. Sometimes the rest can get it wrong, you know,
Speaker 5: sometimes referen the passes, you know, and and if that
Speaker 5: will Anderson hit on Pat mahme. But Pat, you know
Speaker 5: that's got h'm I don't think that was. I don't
Speaker 5: think that was Roughs in the past.
Speaker 3: Huh it was.
Speaker 5: You know that that was the chess plate. That's the
Speaker 5: chess plate.
Speaker 2: But but if we think for one second that every
Speaker 2: official in every sport is gonna get every call right,
Speaker 2: we're just apossible. And guys and perathletes that have played
Speaker 2: the game, they're delusional because now they're pandering. Troy knows
Speaker 2: damn well, people gambled on the game when he played.
Speaker 2: They didn't get every call right. It's impossible. There's no
Speaker 2: such thing as we got. Guess what, we got every
Speaker 2: call right in the game. I guarantee you their calls
Speaker 2: that we was like, man, that was a very well
Speaker 2: officiated game. The NFL to go back and says, you
Speaker 2: missed that holding call, you missed that tripping, you missed
Speaker 2: that face mask. It happens now because you know what
Speaker 2: it is now, Josh Allen, their fan favorite, didn't get
Speaker 2: the gold.
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahold's going again.
Speaker 5: Naely, Yeah, listen, I know we know we had Bill's
Speaker 5: fans there, y'all here coming. You ain't got to worry about.
Speaker 5: It's just about win. It's coming, Lamar fans, your year
Speaker 5: is coming. Bengals fans will be back. It's just it's
Speaker 5: just a matter of time of win.
Speaker 3: Just a matter of time.
Speaker 5: And another thing also with the rest too, of the
Speaker 5: rest want to get want the risks. Want to get
Speaker 5: the calls right. You know, chat people, the people that
Speaker 5: are watching, people that are listening. The rest want to
Speaker 5: get the call right because you know, as a group,
Speaker 5: you know why the rest want to get the highest
Speaker 5: grade possible because the.
Speaker 3: Game then go.
Speaker 5: You know all that the rest are grated. They want
Speaker 5: to work those playoff games. They want to work the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl game. You know, the better their grades are.
Speaker 5: As far as it goes from getting making the right
Speaker 5: call to see in the right calls. How they get
Speaker 5: opportunities to make some money in.
Speaker 3: The playoffs.
Speaker 2: Since those since those people bet a lot of money,
Speaker 2: they deserve that these players don't make mistakes, that the
Speaker 2: quarterback doesn't throw interceptions, that the roy receivers and running
Speaker 2: back to the quarterback don't fumble the football, and the
Speaker 2: DB's and everybody don't get passing the peers. Since we're
Speaker 2: going for perfection, why not how the players have perfection.
Speaker 2: I just hate this pandering because I've seen I've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of I see a lot of people. Now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, oh, poor Josh. Oh, I feel
Speaker 2: so bad for him, when they never felt bad for
Speaker 2: any other quarterback that I ain't hear nobody say it,
Speaker 2: but I feel so bad for Peyton Manning. I feel
Speaker 2: so bad for Steve McNair that he he just keep
Speaker 2: he just keeps coming up short. And all these guys,
Speaker 2: look at Jim Kelly went and lost four times. Ain't
Speaker 2: nobody fee feel sorry for Jim Johnny all way with
Speaker 2: and got if I be in it, ain't nobody feel sorry?
Speaker 3: Now all of a sudden we're feeling sorry for Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: Wow. And now now we're getting guys. Oh, I want
Speaker 2: to see the NFL. I want to see these roughs
Speaker 2: getting called right. So they're gonna get so they're gonna
Speaker 2: get every call right. Hey man, stop all that panduring.
Speaker 2: It's okay, NFL do the best they possibly can. It's
Speaker 2: not I look, I get this the script. They done
Speaker 2: have this script. Then oh, look at the color. Look
Speaker 2: at the colors of the Super Bowl. They read, bro,
Speaker 2: they don't put these colors in. Man, y'all know how
Speaker 2: long it mays. Do you understand the undertaking that it
Speaker 2: takes to do something on the scale of the Super Bowl, Oh.
Speaker 3: Joe, do people have any idea?
Speaker 2: Yeah, people understand the idea of what it takes for
Speaker 2: us just to do our little show, to go from
Speaker 2: state let alone, get that thousand hotel rooms, get the teams.
Speaker 2: Point at the point, bat Man. They need to stop this. Man,
Speaker 2: I just I just hate this panduring. I just hate this.
Speaker 2: This this this pretty party for Josh Allen. It's happening,
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. If Josh Allen don't win, ain't nobody say? Oh,
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for Damn Marino? Who's sorry for today?
Speaker 1: Troy?
Speaker 2: I never heard Troy. But they need to get them
Speaker 2: calls right when you beating hell out, Jim Kelly them
Speaker 2: super bowls? Man, they need to stop this. I hate
Speaker 2: this pandury. Have they missed calls? They make it seem like, now,
Speaker 2: o Joe, this in this game was the only time
Speaker 2: officiating somebody missed the call. Yeah, I hate that they
Speaker 2: miss calls. Before go back and look at the Steve
Speaker 2: mail or Rent throw. He called a touchdown against the Steelers.
Speaker 2: He got both feet in. They said no, the Steelers
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been to the Super Bowl, And I just
Speaker 2: man let me move home, because the more I think
Speaker 2: about it, the more said I get. The La Rails
Speaker 2: faced several questions in their roster for twenty twenty five Seeds,
Speaker 2: including whether Matthew Stafford will return for his seventeen season.
Speaker 2: After the Rams layoff lost to the Eagles, Stafford said
Speaker 2: that he would take some time to think about his future. Well,
Speaker 2: it didn't take long. According to hear Rappaport, Stafford has
Speaker 2: told the Rams he's planning on returning next season. Oh, Joe,
Speaker 2: who's surprised by this. Stafford is going to make twenty
Speaker 2: seven million. He's gonna want more than twenty seven million.
Speaker 2: He's gonna want a contract extension.
Speaker 3: And you deserve it. He learned it.
Speaker 5: I can't even argue that. I can't even I can't
Speaker 5: even argue the fact. Is there a better option than
Speaker 5: Matthew Stafford right now as a backup?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: Absolutely not so him deserving. Yes, I'm with you on
Speaker 5: that two year, three year. We'll be talking about what
Speaker 5: kind of money we be looking at.
Speaker 3: Well, he's a schedule to make twenty seven million. What's
Speaker 3: the going race? You know, to go and race fifty plus?
Speaker 5: Okay, whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa fifty plus.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that's the going rate.
Speaker 2: I know it's the going rate. But all the staff,
Speaker 2: this is seventeen season. He came out earliest, so he's
Speaker 2: probably what thirty six thirty seven.
Speaker 5: You paying a thirty seven year old quarterback fifty something million.
Speaker 3: I'll give him. I give him three years. I give it.
Speaker 3: I give him three years, one hundred and two, I
Speaker 3: give him forty.
Speaker 5: Okay, Now that's feasible. That's that's feasible. Doesn't put it.
Speaker 5: It doesn't put us in the salary cap. Hell, you know,
Speaker 5: if anything, obviously him asking or getting fifty million, that
Speaker 5: that that messes up thing for Cooper cup Who is
Speaker 5: gonna have to take take a pay cut or move
Speaker 5: And you got you got, you got one more year,
Speaker 5: You got one more year.
Speaker 3: Proven the cool is up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta go see by him. Then you got
Speaker 5: to see about that God damn verse. You gotta see
Speaker 5: about verse.
Speaker 2: Oh you got any type of verse? You gott at
Speaker 2: least know you got two more years with verse it's
Speaker 2: his rookie rookie year, and and the other the other
Speaker 2: side of the rookie.
Speaker 5: Put them boys nice, Oh for sure, Oh them boys nice.
Speaker 2: But I'm not surprised he's playing too well. I mean
Speaker 2: it's not like he was struggling. I mean you look
Speaker 2: at that. You look at the game, the game against
Speaker 2: the Eagles. He threw the ball, and and that whether
Speaker 2: he threw for over three hnty mm hmm in the snow,
Speaker 2: in the snow, and and and and and had they
Speaker 2: not turned the ball over as much as they did,
Speaker 2: give Philly credit. Philly does a great job of getting
Speaker 2: the ball out. They do a great job of punching it.
Speaker 2: They clearly they practiced that. Yes, but I'm not I
Speaker 2: don't like the man's playing still playing at a at
Speaker 2: a at a very high level.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That man ain't walking away from that kind of money, oh, Joe, No,
Speaker 3: absolutely not. And winning.
Speaker 2: It's not that it's a lot easier to walk away.
Speaker 2: They owe Joe, even when the money is on the table,
Speaker 2: when you lose it. Yeah, God, we see a guy
Speaker 2: complaining right now about not waiting. And he wanted to
Speaker 2: hide the paper receiver in the NFL An Joe.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, stash staff from bear Hell. They almost
Speaker 5: won that game if he hadn't throw that ball wide
Speaker 5: to pool in the cop at the end.
Speaker 3: Yep, he could we whide out of back.
Speaker 2: He didn't give him a chance. Of the balls that's
Speaker 2: thrown out a bout of the incomplete and on form down.
Speaker 2: Who cares if it's unaccepted. Give a got a chance.
Speaker 5: Got to give him a chance. Dagn got to give
Speaker 5: me a chance as a matter of fact, not to
Speaker 5: be ruled. But the ball would have been complete because
Speaker 5: the DV was in position trying to make sure people
Speaker 5: didn't get in front of him again, didn't get behind him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, get get, give your guy opportunity.
Speaker 2: I always got upset, Ohoe when guys throw the ball
Speaker 2: out of bounds. Okay, you're going for them the two
Speaker 2: on fourth down, or you're going for the last player
Speaker 2: of the game. Why you throwing it out of bounds?
Speaker 2: Who can do you get an interception? Just like I hated,
Speaker 2: guys would check the ball down on the hell Mary
Speaker 2: right before the half o Joe.
Speaker 3: Because they don't want to mess up the completion your percentage.
Speaker 5: Right, man, Throw the damn ball on give me a chance.
Speaker 2: The hell you checking it down for like that man
Speaker 2: gonna break seventy seventy two tackles and go eighty go
Speaker 2: fifty five yards?
Speaker 3: Man? Throw bad? Ont you? I get so bad with u?
Speaker 2: See gouts check the ball down because they don't want
Speaker 2: to mess up they complete your percentage or don't want
Speaker 2: to throw it interception bad throw that damn ball is
Speaker 2: z on.
Speaker 3: That's funny, Ojo. Even though most NFL players would consider
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl to be the ultimate prize in the sports,
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean all of them would give up their
Speaker 3: individual achievements if it meant they could hold the suit
Speaker 3: Lombardi Troup. One example, Cam Newton. Cam said on First
Speaker 3: Take this morning that he would not give up his
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen MVP award if it went minning a super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Oh Joe, what do you think about this?
Speaker 5: I mean, everybody's different. I think everybody would want a
Speaker 5: super Bowl, But I think Cam wouldn't want to give
Speaker 5: it up because it's it's an individual accomplishment that he
Speaker 5: was able to achieve. And I think the super Bowl
Speaker 5: obviously is a is a team accomplishment. But everyone would
Speaker 5: want a super Bowl.
Speaker 3: But you can't.
Speaker 5: You can't say his preference on what he would do
Speaker 5: is wrong or what he would want is wrong, or
Speaker 5: him not wanting to change one for the other, because
Speaker 5: that's just his personal preference in his opinion. What you
Speaker 5: think about it, un because if I, if I had,
Speaker 5: if I had the opportunity, let's say, to win the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl with the Patriots, that that twenty eleven year, I.
Speaker 3: Would I would. I would love to have a ring.
Speaker 5: You know, it'd be cool. It would be cool to say, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm a super Bowl champion. I mean, even though the
Speaker 5: ring would probably be collecting dust somewhere and I probably
Speaker 5: would have lost it, it'd have been cool to say,
Speaker 5: you know, it'd been nice on the resume. It would
Speaker 5: look good.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: That's really tough for YO.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because on one hand, Kim being the first overall
Speaker 2: pick him when he the MVP signifies he is the
Speaker 2: best player in the league.
Speaker 3: But that year had the best year super Bowl MVP
Speaker 3: means that you played the best in that game.
Speaker 2: M H. I get what he's saying. Everybody doesn't view
Speaker 2: it the same. It's like OJO, some people like that.
Speaker 2: I get, this is what I get, asked Shannon if
Speaker 2: you didn't, would you give up your Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: ring to with the Super Bowl and my responsible I
Speaker 2: don't have to make that choice because I have both.
Speaker 2: But some people don't have both. Some people got in
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame but didn't win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Some people want a Super Bowl but didn't get into
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. The MVP is different because the
Speaker 2: MVP is about one season. The Hall of Fame is
Speaker 2: about your your your your body of work over a
Speaker 2: period of time. And fifty men and women, most of
Speaker 2: that have never played a professional sport. Says, based on
Speaker 2: our knowledge of the game, what we see, we think
Speaker 2: this guy is worthy of football.
Speaker 3: Oh that's tough.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. Every everybody mused it differently.
Speaker 2: You'd have to look at what Cam is viewed at.
Speaker 2: Cam is a multiple time Pro Bowl player. Now if
Speaker 2: he's just a guy that won a Super Bowl and
Speaker 2: never went to a Pro Bowl, Right, it's easy. It's easy,
Speaker 2: like okay, but hmm, Tom Brady. I had a conversation
Speaker 2: with Tom Brady on there. If y'all remember, Tom said
Speaker 2: he would give up one to two Super Bowls to
Speaker 2: win that set with that undefeated season.
Speaker 3: Oh, Tom, and I give up one or two over.
Speaker 5: He's like you, yeah, yeah, Tom being greedy.
Speaker 2: I think, I think I look at it like this,
Speaker 2: Cam is never gonna be right because they're never gonna
Speaker 2: let Cam live down.
Speaker 3: He didn't jump on that fumble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because guess what even if he said yes, I
Speaker 2: would give up my super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 3: I'll give him my MVP trophy.
Speaker 2: To win a super Bowl, everybody gonna say, well, why
Speaker 2: didn't you jump on that fumble to show us?
Speaker 3: You see right? You know that's what they're gonna go through.
Speaker 5: O yoke Cobway.
Speaker 2: I would read some of the comments now that explains
Speaker 2: why Cam didn't jump on the fumble. He's more concerned
Speaker 2: about individual awards.
Speaker 5: And win for losing.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are guys that have won the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl that are not better than some of the guys
Speaker 2: that didn't.
Speaker 3: There's some super Bowl MVPs.
Speaker 2: So you telling me Santonio Holmes is better than Laughish
Speaker 2: Jermy because they have Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 3: Is that what you're telling me? Are we sure about that?
Speaker 1: Don't Joe?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: Are we sure?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup won Super Bowl MVP. He better than Random Moss,
Speaker 3: He better than TiO.
Speaker 6: Y.
Speaker 2: Look everybody wants to win a championship. But we but
Speaker 2: see what we've done now is that we put such
Speaker 2: emphasis on winning a championship that if a god doesn't win,
Speaker 2: not here bomb. There ain't no in between you either
Speaker 2: great or you a bomb. But damn, what about all
Speaker 2: that space in between?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no no no. I don't
Speaker 3: think guys don't try to go out. I think a
Speaker 3: lot of guys want to win.
Speaker 2: Everybody, Oh, Joe, if everybody could win a championship, one
Speaker 2: of thefing value, right, that's what makes it. That's what
Speaker 2: makes a championship significant. So if every just thinking about
Speaker 2: if every great player, every good player won a championship,
Speaker 2: won't Joe, what is the value in a championship?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: And it's it's so it's so difficult to get there.
Speaker 2: And now everybody now now we don't got social media
Speaker 2: and everybody chiming in and everybody this and that.
Speaker 3: It's just.
Speaker 2: Like I said, Cam would if Cam would have said, hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: i'll give I'll give to win the Super Bowl, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I give him my MVP. Why don't you jump on
Speaker 2: that fumble? Then to show us see he was gonna win.
Speaker 2: Cam was gonna be and win, not Tim because there's
Speaker 2: evidence that shows that, hey, he did something and it
Speaker 2: didn't happen.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, Yeah, there's go ahead. What you're gonna say,
Speaker 5: it's it's hard to it's hard to defend that one.
Speaker 2: Oh, not jumping the ball. Yeah, there's no there's no
Speaker 2: excuse for he knows that. He knows that, No does,
Speaker 2: there's no excuse for that. I mean, in that moment
Speaker 2: you say you give it all, you give it to all,
Speaker 2: you got to
Speaker 1: The volume